Yeah add that with an awful dad who literally threw a knife at him and said "if you don't believe, kys" or the fact that they worshipped chaos secretly etc
well he did won the war... the loong war for the word beares is actually won. That is so scary about lorgars legion. They are not evil because of influence of chaos. But because they choosed to be. That is the real danger of lorgars legion. Yeah the emprium now is a shadow of what it once was. No hope... no advancements. Just a stagnation of despair. stagnation=death.
Ultimately, it would have resulted in deifying the Emperor later rather than sooner. His image and iconography is plastered everywhere. His visage inspires awe, his psychic power unmatched, the amount of less technological worlds and struggling worlds given vast amounts of industry and the means to stave off threats and dangers they'dfaced since the Age of Strife, all of this would have compounded into the idea of his God hood. Not to mention THE MECHANICUS actively calls him the Omnissiah, the messiah of the Machine God, to which the techpriests do not shy away from stating.
He didn’t object because he wasn’t divine. As the faith spread and more people came to believe in the emperor as a god, he slowly became one. That’s why he only objected at monarchia, because only the truly divine deny their divinity.
@@Jorgsnfratsen He didn't object because it suited him at the time. Only when it would push Lorgar to Chaos did he stop it, because that was the deal he made with the Chaos Gods.
This channel is awesome. However, the voices need to be deeper and almost not human sounding! Remember. They have more lungs than us and their voices are much deeper than ours. To think a 10-15 foot super human would sound like a 5'11" scholar is crazy. Vox in the void in my opinion is the only channel that has their voices down. This channel is one of the only channels that captures the emotions on point 🔥
@@klaiken989 lungs have nothing to do with voice sound. The sound of your voice depends on one simple factor: genetics. The amount that your vocal chords can get "tense" or "loose" will determine how high or low can your pitch get to, and your talking voice depends also on a lot of things. Your "standard" speaking pitch also can change easily and when you speak your voice will be deeper depending on what kind of voice resonators you are using. Being a big dude does not mean you carry a deep bass voice. It means that you will maybe have a bit more air to pull off from (bigger dude bigger lungs, in a primarch case we are talking BIG lungs) so you can support a booming voice longer or without needing to take air, it also means bigger diaphragm which again translates to more capacity to go higher in volume/longer time sustaining it. Volume is not pitch. We change pitch depending on the conversation and what we want to convey. If Lorgar needs to sound alluring and convincing he can't bash in with a bass-tone that blasts your ears but more like a mellow voice (it doesn't mean that deep voices are not soothing, it means that bellowing booming voices inspire violence). Tho afaik space marines, primarchs etc do need a "voice limiting device" to not sound like murderous giants to human beings so probably I'm wrong. But physically, being huge does not mean that your voice needs to sound like a giant's. It will be deeper probably but not THAT deep, probably because a wider bigger throat means that your voice will resonate more in your throat. But that is what professional singers usually do and don't usually do when talking, but while singing. And I asure you that a professional VO uses that technique almost always.
@hafurg Look at videos of the tallest people in the world talking. See how deep their voices are. Both men and women!!! Size matters on how your voice sounds. Have you ever seen a 5'1" girl have a voice depth of Shaquille O'Neil!? Of course not... Now imagine the same thing I am talking about. But with an even larger human that is also genitcaly altered and has extra organs. I rest my case. Space marines would NOT sound like a nornal human AT ALL!!! They would sound quite different than almost anything we would have heard
@@klaiken989 yeah bigger chest/throat means more resonance (deep voice) so it would make sense. Even so, precisely Lorgar would be more alluring (less "aggressive") specially because he wanted to convince also humans about his new religion XD can't convince people if you scare the shit out of them. Aaaand probably with some investigation you could try to do a test to see how a Marine/primarch would sound. They could get the sound that homo sapiens did just by their posture, bone cavities, etc so it could be made. And I would love to see it.
Literally just do a 30k grimdark anime similar to Berserk. You can make it as long as necessary, properly show space marines and Primearchs for the blazing fast speeds and feats they're described to have in the novels and it would look amazing so long as GW doesn't give it the Boltgun treatment. If Cyberpunk can get a hell of a banger so can WH.
''is this about Monarchia?'' '' *Everything is about Monarchia* '' Istvaan 3 might be the place where the betrayal was made manifest, but Monarchia is where the dream of unification died.
You know, I've pondered long the line "Lorgar was a kind soul," doesn't make any sense with what he did on Cadia, giving Argel Tal and the Gal Vorbak as sacrifice, but i think I get it. Lorgar was the only Primarch to realize the full horror of the Great Crusade, to see the trillions dead, cultures wiped out, and worlds feeding sons and resources to the new Imperium. When a God demands it, you obey, then your god makes it clear he is just another super powered tyrant then you're just another one of his tools crushing people to fulfill his vision. Lorgar went mad, and when his new gods called there was no sacrifice he would deny them, because it was the only hope for atonement for everything he'd already done.
That was always going to be the big problem with their "Imperial Truth." Even Jaghatai called it out for the horseshit it was. Lorgar wasn't a fool or a doomed dreamer, mankind NEEDS something greater than themselves, something to believe in, some faith that there is something out there watching over us. But as you said, he tore out Lorgar's heart and then, what, just expect him to be okay? The Emperor SEVERELY underestimated the Chaos Gods. Sometimes I wonder how he never thought the beings that stole his sons wouldn't continue to take an interest in them.
@@Cezili He doesn't explicitly call it horseshit, but in Warhawk of Chogoris, he does consider it a lie. And when Malcador calls it a noble lie, meant to protect humanity until we're ready to hear the truth, the Khan retorts that it reminds him of the tyrants of Chogoris that would use the same reasoning to placate their slaves with promises of freedom, when the time was right, a time that would be delayed indefinitely. However in another conversation from Path of Heaven he does seem to accept that it may have been a necessary lie for the Emperor to achieve his goal for humanity and even if he doesn't know exactly what that goal was, the Khan trusts that it was the right one. I'm paraphrasing heavily by the way and this is just my personal interpretation of what is said. You'd need to read the books yourself or see if anyone has posted excerpts from them online to form your own opinion.
@@randomcenturion7264 And Khan was correct. It's not the first time kings and emperors overestimated themselves. The emperor might have more hindsight thanks to his long life but even compared the ancient races of 40k he his knowledge is a drop in the ocean much less compared to the chaos Gods who have existed as the first sapient life come into existence. Everything the emperor planned are still speculation. He thought he could build an empire better what humanity has achieved during the Dark age of Technology but even during the golden age of the imperium the Mechanicus were still busy scavenging the relics of the Dark age. And he certainly didn't expect that his creations not only have a the gut but also the power to rebel against him.
Love the performance. It really captures the pain, confusion and betrayal felt by Lorgar. You can empathise with him, even if we, as outside observers with more information that he has, knows he was wrong. Also the "Go on, finish the thought." from Magnus? Interesting performance of it. Can't tell if it's meant to be encouraging ("Go on, I'm interested in this line of thought.") or patronizing, like "Go on, keep on letting out rope, I'll verbally hang you with it soon enough."
Damn good ear brother. With the Magnus line, I tried to do it as more of a challenge, for Magnus to see just where Lorgar's line of reasoning was going.
1:56 "a man incapable of trust" this is always what i see as the emperors biggest mistake, it wasn't geting rid of religion, it wasn't messing with the webway, it wasn't even the burning on monarchia, it was leaving all the primarchs in the dust of what his plan for humanity was
Wow, I can hear Lorgar's pain and anger roaring in his soul! It actually brought a tear to my eye when he realized others have pleasant dreams. I felt rage when he snarled the Emperor's rage. I love Magnus's scholarly curiosity at his brother's rant. Truly, this is amazing.!
The most telling part about this excerpt is that the Emperor initially had no problem with Lorgar and the Word Bearers creating a religion about him. He'd crushed every religion on every planet that had been conquered by his sons. He could do it again with Lorgar's conquests after his Great Crusade and the Webway project was complete. Lorgar's crime was that unlike all his brothers, when his legion conquered a planet, they didn't install a governor loyal to the Imperium, provide said governor with arms and fortifications to quell dissent and move on to do the same on another world. The Word Bearers stayed on the planets they conquered, proselytizing, instructing the population on the proper rituals and prayers and observing the construction of cathedrals in the Emperor's image. The Word Bearers fell behind the other legions. The Word Bearers delayed the progress of the Great Crusade. And the people of Monarchia were forced to pay the price.
Which in my opinion is still a dumb reason on E's part to punish them THIS harshly. Yes, they were slow, no question. But they built something to last. Meanwhile, Angron, who openly wants Emps dead, ruins every world he lands on deliberately, while Curze...sweet God the damage he did is unparallel.
The same reason the Emperor allowed the Mechanicum to continue worshipping him as the Omnissiah. It was fine as long as it suited his plan and was less trouble than it was worth.
@@randomcenturion7264Hey what is this bullshit about Curze? He's done the opposite. That was his sole point. He's done the least damage to worlds assigned to him. You really dont have to come up with crimes for him
@@randomcenturion7264any good management player would know that the emperor was doomed to fail, He was trying to speed run the conquest of the galaxy, when he should have played the long game But instead he just burnt down worlds and forced them to kneel just to go do it again and again, the khan knew the emperor was a tyrant, and he knew that the imperium would be nothing more then a chapter in the history books, doomed to fall on itself, he joined because it was the best option currently
@@randomcenturion7264yeah because the emperor didn’t care about the world he conquered, he just wanted the whole galaxy under his control And the funny thing is, the stability that lorgar brought to the worlds he conquered, the religion that he started was the only thing keeping the imperium from total collapse in these 10k years, lorgar way was right but the emperor didn’t want stability, he wanted control over the galaxy as fast as possible even if it meant burning every planet in the galaxy to do it
I've always felt bad for Lorgar his fall could have been completely avoided if Big E just decided to be a father to his children. Love the performance.
Lorgar’s fall had never to do with the emperor not being a father to him, his fall was due to him being a fanatical zealot who needed religion in order to justify his sins lorgar deserves no sympathy he is a monster, a psychopath masquerading as a poor man who ‘only wanted the truth’ and is so sorry for the innocents he has slaughtered and damned. To go off topic for second but the emperor never had a chance to be a father to his sons because he had a galaxy spanning Empire to manage and there also the fact most of the primarchs were raised to manhood by Foster parents before the emperor find them.
@thesmilinggun-knight9646 The emperor was an idiot to ruined his sons they were better off without him. Lorgar and Magnus got treated badly because he was a short-sighted fool and hypocrite. To say big e isnt to blame for their fall is a massive diservice
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646Logar was groomed by fundamentalists since childhood. His entire life was center around religion and he was conditioned to never question his faith. The emperor in his brilliance didn’t took his upbringing into account before giving him his legion. He should have work to uproot Logar from his religious education instead of acting like it would go on its own. Every primarch are the results of their childhood. The emperor wanted tools instead of sons.
What Lorgar would go on to do was monstrous. But Holy Shit if i can't understand where it was coming from. It wasn't just "Revenge" it was the sheer, damned hypocrisy of a God that refused to accept the clear fact of what he was.
Lorgar could have been the most loyal of all his brothers if it weren't for the Emperor leading him on for a whole century. I think he was wrong about his beliefs, but that doesn't mean he should have been brought down this way.
Lorgar was not someone who I'd ever thought to sound so, for want of a better term, "posh" but this is one of those cases where it's hard NOT to see it now. You can really feel Kor Phaeron's touch in his voice: the firmness and fervour of a preacher who's spent years upon years spouting gospel with the imperious certainty of a man who's convinced he understands the fundamental questions of the universe. Can happily say I finally get why Magnus says that Lorgar was made to mirror the Emperor, because he's the only son to *know* that he's right. And woe betide the fool who would dare to strip him of that confidence. Also, as an aside, where is it you get your music from? I know Eternal Eclipse has been mentioned but it definitely seems like you get 'em from other places from my searches of their library, and I'm dying to know where else I might find 'em because there's some splendid tracks in these readings.
@@RufusJuice Ah, dang. On the bright side at least I think I should have a good lead to work off - groups like Eternal Eclipse and Two Steps From Hell will probably turn up something.
This, Sanguinius' speech, and the Cawl/Bile conversation are some of my favorite videos of yours. Amazing work! Really hoping you and @TheAmberKing can work together someday!
the part I like is the "what? what?" you can sense the wound Lorgar was hinding finally open and lorgar cannot do anything else but finally let the venom his heart go free.
The fact the Horus Heresy is just Lorgar playing chess against the Emperor over an argument about religion vs science, with Erebus trolling in the background and Trazyn taking pictures from behind is killing me 😂
I still hate Lorgar but man just discovered your channel and you put so much passion in this VO that now I want a Lorgar audiobook done by you. As a VO enthusiast and metal vocalist I really do praise your effort and work. Great job mate!
E didn't really care if Logar worshiped him. The Khan talked about Gods too, but E didn't care. He didn't even care that Angron hated him, or that the Kurze terrorized, or that Perty and Angron used decimation. All the Emperor really cared about were results and Logar wasn't turning in enough worlds.
Lorgar to me is a Primarch that was born way to early, being born in a galaxy that still had to many temptations to pull him away from his intended purpose. He is the primarch who had the most to gain to actually growing up from birth next to the Emperor. When I see Lorgar I see the Chaos Gods most powerful hidden tool. The Divinitatus book he penned is the birthrock for the Imperial faith and countless trillions of humanity's downtrodden speak the words of what possibly is the greatest of all traitors yet alive. The book of Lorgar, another book he penned is likewise the birthground for Chaos cults across the span of the Imperium. Lorgar had the one gift the Emperor refused to fully use, and that is to touch humanity at their very deepest, humanity's need for guidance. If Lorgar was with the Emperor at birth he would be the most powerful son in the Emperors arsenal. Not because he could build walls like Dorn, administrate like Guilliman, endure like Mortarion or do the unthinkable like El'Johnson. He was not uncatchable like the Khan, or had Magnus's gifts of the warp. Lorgar could sway common people like no Primarch could, not even Horus. The Emperor did not bring a keen sharpening stone to Monarchia, he brought a sledgehammer and struck Lorgar without mercy. The Emperor shattered his possibly finest and keenest weapon in the war against Chaos, and the Chaos gods happily picked up the shards what was left of Lorgar and remade it into the being they needed. Horus, Perturabo, Curze, Alpharius, Fulgrim, Magnus, Angron..? They are or were but playthings, Lorgar was the real prize. The key, the master stonemason who could use humanities misery like bricks to build a universe of suffering, a playground for the four to play their great game. The ash in humanities mouth as it eats its bitter losses are to me the tears of a son who needed purpose more then any other. The Emperor failed in a great many things. But when he failed Lorgar, he failed humanity more then at any time.
I feel bad for Lorgar. If he hadn't fallen to Chaos, he would have been a great asset against Chaos. An avenging son who secretly worshiped his father and fought against the dark powers at every opportunity opportunity. If only he had seen Chaos for what it was before the Horis Heresy.
If the Emperor would have been violent and uncaring since the start with Lorgar like Kor Phaeron te Horus heresy would never had happen and Lorgar would would have stayed a beaten following dog all along
On one hand it is not fair to project all dreams and hopes you have on one person and then be angry when this person doesnt act like you hoped... On the other hand lorgan is right. The emperor knew from the very beginning that lorgar had founded a religion with him as a god (which beat and destroyed the chaos cults on colchis prior to the emperors arrival by the way) and suddenly this was a mistake? Atleast explain yourself to your son.
Some people believe lorgar has borderline personality disorder or BPD one of it’s symptoms is having a “favourite person” There’s a great video on the matter about lorgar and he mental illness I highly recommend you watch it to truly understand lorgar
Only the truly divine deny their divinity in other words nothing you say matters claim your a god and they all worship you deny it and they ignore your words and worship you even more there is no winning against such people no convincing them because they have already made up their minds all that matters to them is what they want to be true the actual truth is irrelevant to them.
@@daedric1387 Just about anything strengthens the warp. If he had allowed the Imperium to be conscious of the dangers of the warp, much like the Interex were, things might have ended better.
Iirc, they didn't call the Emperor a god, but instead saw him as the living prophet of their god. Between that, and just how powerful the Admech were at the time, it wasn't viable to conquer them the traditional way.
All of this boils down to the Emperor being a flawed character. Ironically, he cut out what he perceived to be his flaws: Empathy, mercy, compassion, understanding and other things that most shitheads would perceive as weakness. All of these traits are what the galaxy was missing and what caused it to end up the way it is. The Emperor should have known better, but the writers had to have him make terrible mistakes. Only the most naive and arrogant idiot would have expected Lorgar to react in any other way.
omg the voice acting is so perfect i actualy cry for logar , omg i'm not shure if this is because i woke up or i did not drink my coffe but fuck poor lorgar
did the emperor burn you achievements to Dust?
"not yet"
And when Prospero was going to be destroyed, Magnus fell too.
A truly damning tale
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 danny devito meme: I get it
This proverb really is about Lorgar;
"the child not embraced by the tribe, is willing to burn it down to feel it's warmth"
I prefer "In the search for truth, we often find ourselves ensnared by the illusions we create."
You know? Iv never seen Lorgar with any empathy… but after these vids I’m starting to realise the tragedy of how he became what he was
Yeah add that with an awful dad who literally threw a knife at him and said "if you don't believe, kys" or the fact that they worshipped chaos secretly etc
Big E having a hard time beating the bad dad allegations after lorgar and angron.
@@secondarytrollaccount666don’t forget perty and Konrad
Everything he did before Monarquia was for the Emperor but instead the emperor had chat with him, Big E Huliated Logar in a hard way
well he did won the war... the loong war for the word beares is actually won. That is so scary about lorgars legion. They are not evil because of influence of chaos. But because they choosed to be. That is the real danger of lorgars legion. Yeah the emprium now is a shadow of what it once was.
No hope... no advancements. Just a stagnation of despair. stagnation=death.
You can really hear Lorgar's justified anger here. If the Emperor wanted to oppose what Lorgar did, He should have told Lorgar on Colchis.
He did! Literally told the man he didn't want to be worshiped as a god.
Ultimately, it would have resulted in deifying the Emperor later rather than sooner. His image and iconography is plastered everywhere. His visage inspires awe, his psychic power unmatched, the amount of less technological worlds and struggling worlds given vast amounts of industry and the means to stave off threats and dangers they'dfaced since the Age of Strife, all of this would have compounded into the idea of his God hood. Not to mention THE MECHANICUS actively calls him the Omnissiah, the messiah of the Machine God, to which the techpriests do not shy away from stating.
@@Humuhumunukunukuapaasource?
He didn’t object because he wasn’t divine. As the faith spread and more people came to believe in the emperor as a god, he slowly became one. That’s why he only objected at monarchia, because only the truly divine deny their divinity.
@@Jorgsnfratsen He didn't object because it suited him at the time. Only when it would push Lorgar to Chaos did he stop it, because that was the deal he made with the Chaos Gods.
You are my Cannon Lorgar voice.
This channel is awesome. However, the voices need to be deeper and almost not human sounding!
Remember. They have more lungs than us and their voices are much deeper than ours. To think a 10-15 foot super human would sound like a 5'11" scholar is crazy. Vox in the void in my opinion is the only channel that has their voices down. This channel is one of the only channels that captures the emotions on point 🔥
@@klaiken989 lungs have nothing to do with voice sound. The sound of your voice depends on one simple factor: genetics. The amount that your vocal chords can get "tense" or "loose" will determine how high or low can your pitch get to, and your talking voice depends also on a lot of things. Your "standard" speaking pitch also can change easily and when you speak your voice will be deeper depending on what kind of voice resonators you are using. Being a big dude does not mean you carry a deep bass voice. It means that you will maybe have a bit more air to pull off from (bigger dude bigger lungs, in a primarch case we are talking BIG lungs) so you can support a booming voice longer or without needing to take air, it also means bigger diaphragm which again translates to more capacity to go higher in volume/longer time sustaining it. Volume is not pitch.
We change pitch depending on the conversation and what we want to convey. If Lorgar needs to sound alluring and convincing he can't bash in with a bass-tone that blasts your ears but more like a mellow voice (it doesn't mean that deep voices are not soothing, it means that bellowing booming voices inspire violence). Tho afaik space marines, primarchs etc do need a "voice limiting device" to not sound like murderous giants to human beings so probably I'm wrong. But physically, being huge does not mean that your voice needs to sound like a giant's. It will be deeper probably but not THAT deep, probably because a wider bigger throat means that your voice will resonate more in your throat. But that is what professional singers usually do and don't usually do when talking, but while singing. And I asure you that a professional VO uses that technique almost always.
@hafurg Look at videos of the tallest people in the world talking. See how deep their voices are. Both men and women!!!
Size matters on how your voice sounds. Have you ever seen a 5'1" girl have a voice depth of Shaquille O'Neil!? Of course not...
Now imagine the same thing I am talking about. But with an even larger human that is also genitcaly altered and has extra organs.
I rest my case. Space marines would NOT sound like a nornal human AT ALL!!!
They would sound quite different than almost anything we would have heard
@@klaiken989 yeah bigger chest/throat means more resonance (deep voice) so it would make sense. Even so, precisely Lorgar would be more alluring (less "aggressive") specially because he wanted to convince also humans about his new religion XD can't convince people if you scare the shit out of them. Aaaand probably with some investigation you could try to do a test to see how a Marine/primarch would sound. They could get the sound that homo sapiens did just by their posture, bone cavities, etc so it could be made. And I would love to see it.
Give lorgar a hug man he needs it
I can't, he is a daemon now :(
Altarboy needed more than that..
Corax is on the way to give him a hug don't worry
E'S TOO MUCH A SPIKY GIT, 'UGGING 'IM WOULD 'URT!
Lorgar geneseed made him and his sons incapable of betrayal.
The emperor managed to smash that out of Lorgar and his Legion.
3:30 That's what we in the business call-
*Foreshadowing.*
(wolves howling in the distance)
Big E destroyed the last church on terra thinking he defeated religion.
Religion: i didnt hear no bell
LMAO!!!!
Indeed, as foolish a thing as too remove the soul from man.
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You can’t remove what was never there in the first place, boy.
@@jonharrison9222 the chaos gods would disagree.
The Mechanicus: praise the Omnissiah!
Man a Lorgar series would be wild. The last church would have to be the pilot tho
Yup. The priest warned The Emperor about his influence and power, and what it would bring.
All the primarchs would have cool tv series or mini series, reverse chronological would be best tho
Horus Heresy Series, where Season 1 is like 50% Lorgar, and the first shots at Istvaan are the end of the last episode.
Literally just do a 30k grimdark anime similar to Berserk. You can make it as long as necessary, properly show space marines and Primearchs for the blazing fast speeds and feats they're described to have in the novels and it would look amazing so long as GW doesn't give it the Boltgun treatment.
If Cyberpunk can get a hell of a banger so can WH.
They'd cast an ethnic woman to be Lorgar, or something
about a couple of centuries later... Magnus "well now I know with prospero"
''is this about Monarchia?''
'' *Everything is about Monarchia* ''
Istvaan 3 might be the place where the betrayal was made manifest, but Monarchia is where the dream of unification died.
After he says DO NOT PATRONIZE ME ...just.. Damn.
Agreed, we need a Horus Heresy audio full cast, and this guy needs to be Lorgar.
@@MrTawnyManAgreed!
You know, I've pondered long the line "Lorgar was a kind soul," doesn't make any sense with what he did on Cadia, giving Argel Tal and the Gal Vorbak as sacrifice, but i think I get it. Lorgar was the only Primarch to realize the full horror of the Great Crusade, to see the trillions dead, cultures wiped out, and worlds feeding sons and resources to the new Imperium. When a God demands it, you obey, then your god makes it clear he is just another super powered tyrant then you're just another one of his tools crushing people to fulfill his vision. Lorgar went mad, and when his new gods called there was no sacrifice he would deny them, because it was the only hope for atonement for everything he'd already done.
wow,,,spot on! 👏👍
"Lorgar was the only Primarch to see the horror of the Great Crusade"
Angron and Khan: are we a joke to you?
I think they all see it. But some believed in the greater purpose, others did not cared, and maybe few enjoyed it
Magnus is a good listener
Lorgar’s Heart was in the right place. Too bad the Emperor and Malcador had to rip it out.
That was always going to be the big problem with their "Imperial Truth." Even Jaghatai called it out for the horseshit it was.
Lorgar wasn't a fool or a doomed dreamer, mankind NEEDS something greater than themselves, something to believe in, some faith that there is something out there watching over us.
But as you said, he tore out Lorgar's heart and then, what, just expect him to be okay? The Emperor SEVERELY underestimated the Chaos Gods. Sometimes I wonder how he never thought the beings that stole his sons wouldn't continue to take an interest in them.
@@randomcenturion7264 I'm curious, where did Jaghatai call out the horse shit?
@@Cezili He doesn't explicitly call it horseshit, but in Warhawk of Chogoris, he does consider it a lie. And when Malcador calls it a noble lie, meant to protect humanity until we're ready to hear the truth, the Khan retorts that it reminds him of the tyrants of Chogoris that would use the same reasoning to placate their slaves with promises of freedom, when the time was right, a time that would be delayed indefinitely.
However in another conversation from Path of Heaven he does seem to accept that it may have been a necessary lie for the Emperor to achieve his goal for humanity and even if he doesn't know exactly what that goal was, the Khan trusts that it was the right one.
I'm paraphrasing heavily by the way and this is just my personal interpretation of what is said. You'd need to read the books yourself or see if anyone has posted excerpts from them online to form your own opinion.
@@randomcenturion7264 And Khan was correct. It's not the first time kings and emperors overestimated themselves. The emperor might have more hindsight thanks to his long life but even compared the ancient races of 40k he his knowledge is a drop in the ocean much less compared to the chaos Gods who have existed as the first sapient life come into existence. Everything the emperor planned are still speculation. He thought he could build an empire better what humanity has achieved during the Dark age of Technology but even during the golden age of the imperium the Mechanicus were still busy scavenging the relics of the Dark age. And he certainly didn't expect that his creations not only have a the gut but also the power to rebel against him.
Love the performance. It really captures the pain, confusion and betrayal felt by Lorgar. You can empathise with him, even if we, as outside observers with more information that he has, knows he was wrong. Also the "Go on, finish the thought." from Magnus? Interesting performance of it. Can't tell if it's meant to be encouraging ("Go on, I'm interested in this line of thought.") or patronizing, like "Go on, keep on letting out rope, I'll verbally hang you with it soon enough."
Damn good ear brother. With the Magnus line, I tried to do it as more of a challenge, for Magnus to see just where Lorgar's line of reasoning was going.
@@RufusJuice And it was perfect, Magnus is wise and he realy want to help his brother, the best way to do it was to encourage him to think.
@@RufusJuice It worked. 👍
It can be both things.
Lorgar was right, the Emperor's foolishness caused the Heresy
1:56 "a man incapable of trust"
this is always what i see as the emperors biggest mistake, it wasn't geting rid of religion, it wasn't messing with the webway, it wasn't even the burning on monarchia, it was leaving all the primarchs in the dust of what his plan for humanity was
Emperor: Yeaahhh probably should have seen this one coming
Your readings are magnificent. So much feeling and passion, you embody these characters. I wish you would do entire books some day
This was the point that Lorgar changed, the seed of Hersey was sown.
Wow, I can hear Lorgar's pain and anger roaring in his soul! It actually brought a tear to my eye when he realized others have pleasant dreams. I felt rage when he snarled the Emperor's rage. I love Magnus's scholarly curiosity at his brother's rant.
Truly, this is amazing.!
Perfect quore to describe lorgar "In the search for truth, we often find ourselves ensnared by the illusions we create."
The most telling part about this excerpt is that the Emperor initially had no problem with Lorgar and the Word Bearers creating a religion about him. He'd crushed every religion on every planet that had been conquered by his sons. He could do it again with Lorgar's conquests after his Great Crusade and the Webway project was complete. Lorgar's crime was that unlike all his brothers, when his legion conquered a planet, they didn't install a governor loyal to the Imperium, provide said governor with arms and fortifications to quell dissent and move on to do the same on another world.
The Word Bearers stayed on the planets they conquered, proselytizing, instructing the population on the proper rituals and prayers and observing the construction of cathedrals in the Emperor's image. The Word Bearers fell behind the other legions. The Word Bearers delayed the progress of the Great Crusade. And the people of Monarchia were forced to pay the price.
Which in my opinion is still a dumb reason on E's part to punish them THIS harshly. Yes, they were slow, no question. But they built something to last.
Meanwhile, Angron, who openly wants Emps dead, ruins every world he lands on deliberately, while Curze...sweet God the damage he did is unparallel.
The same reason the Emperor allowed the Mechanicum to continue worshipping him as the Omnissiah. It was fine as long as it suited his plan and was less trouble than it was worth.
@@randomcenturion7264Hey what is this bullshit about Curze? He's done the opposite. That was his sole point. He's done the least damage to worlds assigned to him. You really dont have to come up with crimes for him
@@randomcenturion7264any good management player would know that the emperor was doomed to fail,
He was trying to speed run the conquest of the galaxy, when he should have played the long game
But instead he just burnt down worlds and forced them to kneel just to go do it again and again, the khan knew the emperor was a tyrant, and he knew that the imperium would be nothing more then a chapter in the history books, doomed to fall on itself, he joined because it was the best option currently
@@randomcenturion7264yeah because the emperor didn’t care about the world he conquered, he just wanted the whole galaxy under his control
And the funny thing is, the stability that lorgar brought to the worlds he conquered, the religion that he started was the only thing keeping the imperium from total collapse in these 10k years, lorgar way was right but the emperor didn’t want stability, he wanted control over the galaxy as fast as possible even if it meant burning every planet in the galaxy to do it
“Incapable of trust” looks at Malacador
That was amazing. I FELT Lorgar’s shame, rage and confusion.
I've always felt bad for Lorgar his fall could have been completely avoided if Big E just decided to be a father to his children. Love the performance.
Lorgar’s fall had never to do with the emperor not being a father to him, his fall was due to him being a fanatical zealot who needed religion in order to justify his sins lorgar deserves no sympathy he is a monster, a psychopath masquerading as a poor man who ‘only wanted the truth’ and is so sorry for the innocents he has slaughtered and damned.
To go off topic for second but the emperor never had a chance to be a father to his sons because he had a galaxy spanning Empire to manage and there also the fact most of the primarchs were raised to manhood by Foster parents before the emperor find them.
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 I'm fairly certain that if the Emperor hadn't blown up Monarchia Lorgar would have been less likely to turn to chaos.
@thesmilinggun-knight9646 The emperor was an idiot to ruined his sons they were better off without him. Lorgar and Magnus got treated badly because he was a short-sighted fool and hypocrite.
To say big e isnt to blame for their fall is a massive diservice
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646Logar was groomed by fundamentalists since childhood. His entire life was center around religion and he was conditioned to never question his faith. The emperor in his brilliance didn’t took his upbringing into account before giving him his legion. He should have work to uproot Logar from his religious education instead of acting like it would go on its own. Every primarch are the results of their childhood. The emperor wanted tools instead of sons.
How ironic a Preacher and Zaelot tells others not to patronise him.
What Lorgar would go on to do was monstrous.
But Holy Shit if i can't understand where it was coming from. It wasn't just "Revenge" it was the sheer, damned hypocrisy of a God that refused to accept the clear fact of what he was.
Lorgar could have been the most loyal of all his brothers if it weren't for the Emperor leading him on for a whole century. I think he was wrong about his beliefs, but that doesn't mean he should have been brought down this way.
The worlds he conquered were and still are the most loyal to the imperium, the religion he started was the only thing keeping the imperium together
Lorgar was not someone who I'd ever thought to sound so, for want of a better term, "posh" but this is one of those cases where it's hard NOT to see it now. You can really feel Kor Phaeron's touch in his voice: the firmness and fervour of a preacher who's spent years upon years spouting gospel with the imperious certainty of a man who's convinced he understands the fundamental questions of the universe. Can happily say I finally get why Magnus says that Lorgar was made to mirror the Emperor, because he's the only son to *know* that he's right. And woe betide the fool who would dare to strip him of that confidence.
Also, as an aside, where is it you get your music from? I know Eternal Eclipse has been mentioned but it definitely seems like you get 'em from other places from my searches of their library, and I'm dying to know where else I might find 'em because there's some splendid tracks in these readings.
Honestly could remember if I tried. It's mostly royalty free stuff, so with enough digging and searching I'm sure people would find it.
@@RufusJuice Ah, dang. On the bright side at least I think I should have a good lead to work off - groups like Eternal Eclipse and Two Steps From Hell will probably turn up something.
Your voicing of Lorgar is just a delight.
This, Sanguinius' speech, and the Cawl/Bile conversation are some of my favorite videos of yours. Amazing work! Really hoping you and @TheAmberKing can work together someday!
the part I like is the "what? what?" you can sense the wound Lorgar was hinding finally open and lorgar cannot do anything else but finally let the venom his heart go free.
I thought the Emperor said he wasn't a God.
No, I know he said it
The voice acting is on point 👏👏👏
Lorgar sounds like voldermort love your accent you did
Stellar performance
bruh you need more recognition. you're great asf
Where does this artwork come from? They are perfect for Magnus!
Johannes Helgeson
This one was emotional
The fact the Horus Heresy is just Lorgar playing chess against the Emperor over an argument about religion vs science, with Erebus trolling in the background and Trazyn taking pictures from behind is killing me 😂
Super cool videos. Pretty sure this was first heretic but I get all ADB books mixed up
I wondered how Konrad would react to hearing about Lorgar's dreams and visions.
every excerpt I watch, you get me more and more into 30k
Me listening to Lorgar's rant - No, no...He's got a point. Also the music fits amazingly. Wish had you included the link to it
I still hate Lorgar but man just discovered your channel and you put so much passion in this VO that now I want a Lorgar audiobook done by you. As a VO enthusiast and metal vocalist I really do praise your effort and work. Great job mate!
03:34 In a century give or take it will.
*Only the weak need god, The strong need only duty*
E didn't really care if Logar worshiped him. The Khan talked about Gods too, but E didn't care. He didn't even care that Angron hated him, or that the Kurze terrorized, or that Perty and Angron used decimation. All the Emperor really cared about were results and Logar wasn't turning in enough worlds.
Lorgar to me is a Primarch that was born way to early, being born in a galaxy that still had to many temptations to pull him away from his intended purpose. He is the primarch who had the most to gain to actually growing up from birth next to the Emperor. When I see Lorgar I see the Chaos Gods most powerful hidden tool. The Divinitatus book he penned is the birthrock for the Imperial faith and countless trillions of humanity's downtrodden speak the words of what possibly is the greatest of all traitors yet alive. The book of Lorgar, another book he penned is likewise the birthground for Chaos cults across the span of the Imperium. Lorgar had the one gift the Emperor refused to fully use, and that is to touch humanity at their very deepest, humanity's need for guidance. If Lorgar was with the Emperor at birth he would be the most powerful son in the Emperors arsenal. Not because he could build walls like Dorn, administrate like Guilliman, endure like Mortarion or do the unthinkable like El'Johnson. He was not uncatchable like the Khan, or had Magnus's gifts of the warp. Lorgar could sway common people like no Primarch could, not even Horus. The Emperor did not bring a keen sharpening stone to Monarchia, he brought a sledgehammer and struck Lorgar without mercy. The Emperor shattered his possibly finest and keenest weapon in the war against Chaos, and the Chaos gods happily picked up the shards what was left of Lorgar and remade it into the being they needed. Horus, Perturabo, Curze, Alpharius, Fulgrim, Magnus, Angron..? They are or were but playthings, Lorgar was the real prize. The key, the master stonemason who could use humanities misery like bricks to build a universe of suffering, a playground for the four to play their great game. The ash in humanities mouth as it eats its bitter losses are to me the tears of a son who needed purpose more then any other. The Emperor failed in a great many things. But when he failed Lorgar, he failed humanity more then at any time.
Should of been called Lorgars heresy
Apparently reality hits too hard even for a Primarch.
The only thing I see here in this comment section and hear in this video is a lot of heresy, to be exact.
Everything is about Monarchia.
The music goes hard with this performance, what is it called?
Damn 👀
What is the track playing behind this incredible voice acting.
Lorgar should of read the Book of Job
I feel bad for Lorgar. If he hadn't fallen to Chaos, he would have been a great asset against Chaos. An avenging son who secretly worshiped his father and fought against the dark powers at every opportunity opportunity. If only he had seen Chaos for what it was before the Horis Heresy.
Basically a giant man hold. The only one so far who has my sympathy is Magnus. The rest were all just big babies.
What music did you use? This is glorious!
Did he throw the Thousand Sons to the ground and tell Magnus that every single of their lives was wasted? Well... not yet. But soon.
I saw the very emotional monologue-version of Naturally RP Voiceover of that and thought, it is the best, but you approach is also very good.
Lorgar did nothing wrong.
Oh no! I don't believe that!
Terra still stands to this very day! The good guys won! For the imperium! For humanity!
@@christopherholmes7324For now slave of the Anathema
@fboylan16 At least Chaos hasn't consume all of humanity. That's a win in my book.
@@christopherholmes7324 Nothing is spoiled, mearly postponed. And now with the Cicatrix Malifictum we shall complete the destruction.
Lorgar probably would've turned-out better if he learned to take the L the Emperor gave him.
If the Emperor would have been violent and uncaring since the start with Lorgar like Kor Phaeron te Horus heresy would never had happen and Lorgar would would have stayed a beaten following dog all along
holy shit.. literally.. Perturabo ain'T got shit on this level of petulance
On one hand it is not fair to project all dreams and hopes you have on one person and then be angry when this person doesnt act like you hoped...
On the other hand lorgan is right. The emperor knew from the very beginning that lorgar had founded a religion with him as a god (which beat and destroyed the chaos cults on colchis prior to the emperors arrival by the way) and suddenly this was a mistake? Atleast explain yourself to your son.
Some people believe lorgar has borderline personality disorder or BPD one of it’s symptoms is having a “favourite person”
There’s a great video on the matter about lorgar and he mental illness I highly recommend you watch it to truly understand lorgar
didn't the emperor tell lorgar multiple times to *stop* worshiping him *before* monarchia?
His hysteria is unbearable.
What chapter of the book is this part in
Music?
The Ironic things are the Emperor were worshipped as god and called god in this 401st millennium...
An irony so hilarious it canonically made an Emperor's Children/turned Black Legion laugh so hard he vomited.
Oh boy would Magnus come to understand… dear god.
Only the truly divine deny their divinity in other words nothing you say matters claim your a god and they all worship you deny it and they ignore your words and worship you even more there is no winning against such people no convincing them because they have already made up their minds all that matters to them is what they want to be true the actual truth is irrelevant to them.
Sounds like a MAGA cultist.
@@jonharrison9222 rent free
I don't get why Big-E didn't accept becoming a God from the get-go. After all, if there's only one faith, there's only one God.
Belief strengthens the warp, and feeds his enemy.
@@daedric1387 Just about anything strengthens the warp. If he had allowed the Imperium to be conscious of the dangers of the warp, much like the Interex were, things might have ended better.
Fun fact: ad mech is ok calling the emperor a god, while everyone else is not?🤔
Iirc, they didn't call the Emperor a god, but instead saw him as the living prophet of their god. Between that, and just how powerful the Admech were at the time, it wasn't viable to conquer them the traditional way.
Idk how lorgar didn’t understand his father he was pretty clear with the no gods. Why would he be happy you made a faith in his name
All of this boils down to the Emperor being a flawed character. Ironically, he cut out what he perceived to be his flaws: Empathy, mercy, compassion, understanding and other things that most shitheads would perceive as weakness.
All of these traits are what the galaxy was missing and what caused it to end up the way it is.
The Emperor should have known better, but the writers had to have him make terrible mistakes.
Only the most naive and arrogant idiot would have expected Lorgar to react in any other way.
omg the voice acting is so perfect i actualy cry for logar , omg i'm not shure if this is because i woke up or i did not drink my coffe but fuck poor lorgar