Is Mercedes E63 AMG Reliable or Money Pit? W211 E63 Reliability, Cost of Ownership and Maintenance
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- Is W211 E63 Mercedes AMG Reliable or Money Pit? In this video, I am sharing my 2.5 years of ownership experience. The video covers all the money spent on maintenance and repairs. I explain each issue, how much it cost, and the total money spent.
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I have w212 6.2L as long as you do regular maintenance you'll be fine. The engine is the most reliable part of the car.
Thanks for watching! It’s an amazing engine.
They have headbolt issues lifter issues and camshaft issues but once those are resolved rhe engine is good
M156 does have weaker top part of the engine but the rest is bulletproof. The issues you listed are rare and seen mostly on ignored cars. The internet makes it look as every m156 will fail which is far from reality.
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Do u have one ? 👍
@Aksel what miles is on yours? I have just purchased one same as yours also
I bought mine with 122k miles on it. A lot of these items had been done including head bolts and lifters. I now have 152k miles on it and have done front suspension, brake pads and rotors all around, one air strut (previous owner only did 3) valve cover gaskets, coolant overflow reservoir, thermostat, a/c compressor, and probably a few other things. I still love the car and will keep it or hand it down to one of my kids. I used Brembo rotors up front and they were approx $700 for the pair. So I think worth getting.
Nice. You’ve fixed most of major items and the rest should be wear and tear from now on. Re:brakes. One could install C63 single piece rotors and won’t notice any difference on the street to save even more. But $700 for brembo is an excellent deal. OEM calipers say brembo on them so I guess oem rotors are brembo too.
And of course tires. It goes through rears about once a year. The front rotors were a good DIY project. But the rear caliper bolts were so tight that I had to take it to a shop. I thought about using one piece in the front. But they last so long I figured I may as well get the brembos. I didn’t know the e63 could have the crank position sensor issue. I thought that was e55. And I hope my transmission behaves. That is always an expensive repair.
You mentioned replacing the door handles in another video. That’s not cheap. I replaced the driver handle only to have it go bad a year later. Mercedes told me it wasn’t broken and they fixed using Star.
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I saw that. I think I messed mine up by using a pressure washer on it when I first got it. I’ve been very careful around the handles since then lol.
These AMGs are really expensive to maintain, but driving experience is amazing. Once I did 0 to 315 km/h in my 2011 CLS63 AMG, what a experience.
Expenses per mile actually isn’t that bad. I haven’t had any issues since making this video.
they are not expensive at all so long as you do your basic maintenance on your own or have a trusted indy mechanic , obviously if you take it to a dealer for every little thing they will rape you, parts are reasonably priced and if you have a decent scanner most jobs are simple enough to do yourself
You did fluids and no transmission & diff? Thanks for sharing btw! :)
Thanks for watching! When I bought the car it had 45ish thousand miles on it. The transmission fluid was changed by the previous owner at 40 as it should be. But when my transmission valve body failed and got replaced, obviously the transmission fluid was done once again.
Great review! Considering an 08 with 60k. Could you give me a run down on things to look for?
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You should consider coilover conversion! I have airmatic struts but will soon convert to traditional springs. Have not spent much on repairs other than front air shocks, radiator, engine/tran mount and lots of maintenance. Soon will do change head bolts, i am at 97k miles, 2007 E63
If you have already fixed front struts why convert? I will never convert unless I have to or need stiffer but better cornering car. To me, spring struts defeat the purpose of E63. It is not a race car. It is super fast saloon car. I love the plush ride quality of the “C” and sportier ride of the “S2”. I raise the car quite often too: gas stations have too steep drive ways over here. I have my own point of view regarding head bolts. If you’ve seen my replacement DIY videos on this channel you know what I mean.
Coil over ruins the already weak resale on these. Anything changing it from stock will almost always ruin the value of the car unless it's not being sold as a normal car for everyday use
In my limited experience if you know what you are doing and can fix it on your own and have access to correct spare parts then it is absolutely reliable. Working on Mercedes engine and everything else is very logical and rewarding. you will be saying-wow that was actually simple and satisfying and everything is well built! On the other hand if you buy a used , neglected one and start taking it to the dealership for repairs it will be a never ending ordeal that can bankrupt anyone. In Europe Taxi-Mercedes with regular maintenance go 400K miles before being retired. I'm talking about the W211 in general. i can't even imagine finding parts for E63 outside Germany or even worse buying a neglected multi owner used one.
I agree with you largely. I do most my repairs myself and have several DIY repair videos on the channel. But I can’t do everything myself because I lack knowledge and hardware/software. The point of the video is Not to intimidate people from buying one but to create awareness that this is not a Toyota. So many people reach out to me asking if it’s going to be problem-free if they change oil frequently. While that’s going to help keep the engine healthy there is more to owning old AMG.
Yeah thanks for this great video love the content.👍 I have the exact same car same year and color. I have 118k miles on it have the car a year and a half and so far I needed new rear tires and the drive belt broke those were the only issues I have had. Tires were 600 and the drive belt was only $30 I replaced it myself. Love my car and plan on keeping it a couple more years. Thanks for making these great videos. Cheers.
It is a lovable car! Enjoy yours! If one stays on top of maintenance then this cars are going to put many smiles on their faces. Thanks for your feedback on videos - that is inspiring.
In going to look at very soon with 71k on it and the head bolts have been replaced im very excited about it, will be selling a 2013 challenger to get into the merc
Welcome to the club in advance! :) Peruse the maintenance history just like you’d do with any car and enjoy.
@@AccentOnCars thank you, I will definitely get all the details
Let me know if you have any questions. Happy to share what I know.
Awesome review, I’m lookin at a 2010 with 68,000 miles. You think it’s a good buy? Thanks
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I’m looking at a 2007 e63 AMG for 9k. It has new front rotors, brakes & tires but it has 157k miles on it. Would you recommend it? I would like to use it for at least a couple years until I’m out of college. What do you think?
I would look at maintenance history. How many owners did it have? For how long did the last owner had it? If it was well maintained car then at that mileage most likely most issues had been taken care of. Listen for engine noise and transmission behavior. If the engine is ticking at cold starts then it needs some repairs.
But even then if something goes wrong please know that maintainability on German cars is not cheap. If you can fix some stuff yourself then it is not that expensive to own.
It all comes down to what a reliable car means to you and what you can afford. German cars are not Toyoya where oil change is all it needs.
Anyone plz help. Do you guys know what can make a ticking sound? The car i am looking at has been sitting for a month ish. And at start it made some bad tick tick sound but after a drive it wasn't so loud as before.
Hey, no worries. I assume you have m156 engine, right? The ticking may come from the hydraulic lifters. It’s normal for it to happen when the car sits for long time. Make sure your oil level is at the max level using the dipstick. Drive it and drive it somewhat hard after the oil has warmed up to 80+ degrees Celcius. It should go away. If it doesn’t, you can use an engine flush and then change your oil. If that doesn’t solve it either, then it may be time for replacing the lifters.
Hi I have seen on a few of your videos you mention ticking on cold might need repairs.. can you shed some more light on this topic please. Thanks
Hi Mohsan. Yes, if you start the car when it is cold and it makes a ticking sound like a clock (tik tik tik tik) like in this video th-cam.com/video/15UsnoS_rL4/w-d-xo.html then you might have a bad camshaft and/or lifters. The only way to know is to open the cylinder head covers (very easy to do) and investigate the cam lobs and valves. Maybe this video of mine will help to understand how to do that. th-cam.com/video/zJO1qNnhxw4/w-d-xo.html
Agree that ticking may be normal if the car has been sitting for a long time. But if it happens at each start or all the time then it might be a sign of scratched cam lobes and/or lifters. When I did my head bolts both cams and lifters were in excellent shape. Frequent oil changes and accurate oil level is the key in m156.
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I’m 16 and found one for 9k. Idk if I should get it though. I’m not worried about insurance costs (insurance is cheaper in my area), I’m more worried about maintenance. It’s owned by a wealthier fellow, has 165k miles (I live in the south, so that’s not many miles. 200k is just breaking it in around here.) and it comes with new tires, only downside is there’s a tire pressure light on the dash, but that shouldn’t be an issue as those sensors always fail. I work on cars, I can do repairs all the way down to engine rebuilds, but I’ve never dealt with German. Is it worth a shot in your honest opinion?
Assuming the car has been well maintained, has history, and since you can work on cars yourself, it’s the best car you can get at 16, lol :) Even better is the c63 as it is more nimble and tail happy but requires some driving skills to not kill yourself :-) The parts aren’t that expensive, although it depends on what you call expensive. Browse through FCPeuro website and take a look at common wear and tear item prices. There are tons of diy posts and videos on my channel, Facebook and forums.
I looked at one but could not figure out if the engine tick was injector or lifter. Injector is OK, they need new anyways. Lifter tick is stuck bucket which can damage cam.
You can tell them apart. Injector tick is consistent and won’t change with RPM. Stuck lifter tick does change with RPM, audible from the cabin when going really slow, and is more like metal hitting on metal sound.
Figure on one dollar per mile for maintenance. I bought a one owner dealer maintained 2007 E63 with 70K with absolutely no mechanical issues, but have other cars and didn't drive it much. I do a lot of my own maintenance. My wife wanted it -- badly -- for her daily driver. I agreed but told her I would not maintain it and we found a good independent shop. Three years and 35K miles later she absolutely loves it. I try and look away when the wheels get curbed. You will get check engine lights from time to time, but these cars are well known at this point and unlike BMWs there is always a fix. I have owned a lot of cars and this car is built like a Panzer tank with a jet engine - simply amazing, but not cheap to run. Life is short, choose accordingly.
I agree it’s a lovely car. Bought mine with 40k+ miles. Currently at 80k+ and planning on keeping it longer. Haven’t had pretty much any issues since this video.
your e63 looks virtually identical to mine. I'm having a transmission problem on mine. it gets stuck in 4th gear once in a while. the cost you've described is a bit high. let's see what my mechanic says when he looks at mine !
I hope you can get it fixed for cheaper. The problem with 722.9 transmissions is that you cannot replace the conductor plate like in older 5 speed MB trannys since it requires coding to marry the new unit to the VIN. I couldn’t get a clear answer whether replacing just the conductor plate was possible or not. I ended up replacing the whole unit: plate and valve body. There are companies out there claiming they can fix the speed sensor. But I decided to get it replaced and I have 3 year warranty now. Let us know what you end up doing.
@@AccentOnCars Great content. Regarding the 722.9 transmission early ones VGS1 you cannot replace the conductor plate separately but the entire body has to be replaced but this does not apply to the later ones VGS2 and VGS3.
Did any of W211s get VGS2 and 3 or only w212 got?
@@AccentOnCars Dont know for sure but i think starting from late 2007 VGS2 was used for e.g. on my pre facelift w164 VGS2 was installed from factory. You can find out using the VIN, on mine is specified in code A38 that it is the VGS2.
My 2009 e63 won’t start the battery is good but won’t start the lights come on but nothing happens
Need to diagnose. Could be bad starter, bad crank position sensor, or something else.
I have a twin to your car and recognized the exit on RT 2. Not sure where the Pond is. Im in Leominster and my car is also from No. Carolina. Im having some replacement seat bottoms made up as the South really does the leather in. Maybe we can meet up sometime..
I am thinking about organizing AMG meet-up. Will certainly ping you:-)
Hit me up I’m in Clinton!
Sorry forgot to invite you to the meetup. Can you add me on Instagram?
Hey, there will be another AMG meet in MA. Ping me on Instagram or email if interested.
What year is that e63
2007 US model
I’m thinking about buying a 2008 E63 has 104k miles for 15k is that over priced for this car ?
If it is in a good shape and has been taken care of then no. Send me a message on Instagram if you want to talk a little bit. instagram.com/accentoncars
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I'm planning to buy 1 for myself
You’ll love it!
Same here
have one, great cars but a bit of a money pit once you are over 100k in miles. Wouldn't swap it for anything.
German cars require maintenance, yes:)
You do not have to replace valve body when conductor plate fails, replaced just my conductor plate and reprogrammed no issues ever since.
Apparently that depends on the year. What year is yours? The shop I took mine said that they couldn’t do that on my 2007 model. But they also said that their preferred method is to replace the whole thing and only then they give 3 year warranty.
@@AccentOnCars It's the 2010 W212 E63 Same transmission 722.9 the conductor plate had to be programmed.
Although the same transmission it is a different design for how conductor plate and valve body are coupled. Early model 722.9 is called VGS1 and can’t be replaced separately based on what I was told. In later models with VGS2 and VGS3 plate and body are not integrated into a single unit. I thought 2010 and newer w212s had MCT transmission, not 722.9
I'm thinking about buying an E63 but 8K is a lot of money. Do you still owen this? Is it in your option worth buying one over 100K miles
Please note that some of the repairs I did were preventative not actual failures. I still have the car and drive it daily.
When buying high mileage AMG I would look at maintenance history. How many owners did it have? For how long did the last owner had it? If it was well maintained car then at that mileage most likely most issues had been taken care of. Listen for engine noise and transmission behavior. If the engine is ticking at cold starts then it needs some repairs.
But even then if something goes wrong please know that maintainability on German cars is not cheap. If you can fix some stuff yourself then it is not that expensive to own.
It all comes down to what a reliable car means to you and what you can afford. German cars are not Toyoya where oil change is all it needs. If you can find well maintained E55 AMG that will be less problematic, but finding a good E55 that hasn't been tuned is very hard.
@@AccentOnCars I see. Whats your thoughts on a W212 63 Amg? Do you think that they worked out some of the problems?
W212 E63 is a solid but different car. Up until 2011 w212 E63 had the same m156 engine. If you find one that is late 2011 then you should not be worried about head bolts since MB updated bolts by then. You can check using the VIN. After that they used m157 twin turbo engine. But not perfect either. Common engine issues for m157 may be stretched timing chain and cylinder scoring. MB used a different materials to reduce friction in cylinders which is the culprit for scoring. I wouldn’t buy a tuned one. Also I’d make sure they changed oil very often.
They've used high quality materials in the interior, but some rattles and chirps may develop as the car ages. I would say W211 interior is more solid than W212. But w212 interior is more modern. W212 is more expensive too because it is newer.
For 2012+ w212 we only get 4Matic W212 E63 in the US which means it is fast, can be driven all year long. W211 is RWD and much more fun to drive for me personally as I can spin tires, drift and power slide.
Sorry I can’t tell you what to do. It depends how much you want to spend now vs if something breaks. I think you should drive both, decide which one you like more, and then try finding one that was very well maintained and has service history.
@@AccentOnCars thanks for the reply. I'm definitely thinking about it. I just missed out on a clean W211 so now im leaft with a W212. I had in the past a 2004 E55 but wasn't a huge fan of the supercharger always kicking on and off. So I think I'll end up with the w212.
I love how the customer knows the labor times on jobs and #1 excuse is “if I had a lift” 🤦🏽♂️ as an advisor I am as transparent as one could be with the customers so everyone’s on the same page 🤷🏽♂️ and then immediately asked for the discount 🤦🏽♂️ 🤦🏽♂️ 🤦🏽♂️
Well, I think the customer asking for hourly rate is totally normal as everyone shops around before buying a service or goods. As for the lift situation: there are jobs I feel comfortable doing myself, such as head bolt replacement, there are jobs I could do myself if I had a lift, and there are jobs I can’t do myself even if I had a lift.
Anyhow, I still have the car and love it. Haven’t had any major issues since this video.
@@AccentOnCars shopping around?? I totally get that part… I even tell my customers the same… but from what it seemed like in the video was you played off their rate and claimed job takes a half hour… my only question was how did you come up with a half hour?? Do you have alldata or some sort of labor guide?? And as far as the lift part… true story that happens all the time but really for a mount two jack stands maybe two jacks 🤷🏽♂️ and also back to the 30 min… when does that time start?? Must be when the tech already has it up in the air and all the tools laid out ready to go lol… mean no harm thanks for the video was interested in buying one 🙏🏽
I don’t remember anymore: when did I talk about 30 mins bro? ☺️This is one of my 1st videos on the channel.
@@AccentOnCars around 5:55 you actually said less then half hour 🤷🏽♂️
Very helpful, but damn did you film in a truck stop.
Ha ha ha. Thanks for watching. This was one of my first videos and I wasn’t experienced so the mic wasn’t set up right.
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8k ouch... I always like the the E63 but the cost of maintenance always pushed me away of owning one. This is a good example of how to spend money nearly 15k and my friend on this video is 8k into it. Great machine but costly to maintain.
Sadly, all high performance German cars require good amount of money to be spent on maintenance.
@@AccentOnCarswould a m3 e92 be more reliable?
Unfortunately, I don’t know. I haven’t had major issues since this video. I will make a 5-y ownership update soon. Subscribe to see 😎
So you spent 8k on maintenance in how many years?
I have one bought it last October 145k now no car is perfect
Totally agree with you. I have two videos where I talk about things I love and things I don’t like about E63.
I have a e63 wagon 2007 mint condition 49000 miles and I love it
U can talk a that nissan stuff u want but it ain't a Benz ..u gotta pay to play..if u can't stay off the field
I love mine and it’s worth every penny spent.
I have an 09 63k miles mint as well. It's in the shop getting weistec headbolts installed right now.
Why did you choose Weistec bolts? Unless you’re supercharging, the revised head bolts are great and cheaper.
@@AccentOnCars yup planning stage 1 supercharger.
Nice 👍 Are you close to Boston by any chance?
It’s one for 10k 2007 e63 thinking’s about looking at it it’s 130k miles on
Shoot me an email with details :) I could add my two cents on what to look for.
Music?
I keep adding the music name for you but TH-cam deletes it.
AccentOnCars Yea, I see that a lot.
It’s a free music from the YT library so I don’t understand why.
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AccentOnCars Thank you.
I’ve got an e63 sitting at 128k miles. I daily drive it. Maintenance isn’t cheap but if you can do the basics you’ll save yourself a lot of money
Totally agree! It’s the E55 owners bad mouthing E63, lol 😂
How much is the maintenance, i saw one in my area for $9,000, But I have a warehouse job and make $17 an hour , full time 40 hours.
I shared my personal experience in this video you commented on. It will be difficult based on the car, but in general it is not cheap if you can’t fix it up yourself.
@@SuperEman500 I have one and I’m a college student right now. Maintenance isn’t that expensive. Just don’t take it to an independent shop that specializes in Mercedes instead of a Mercedes dealer.
@@Ontherunzl1 why not ? Can u explain ?
Just bought a 2008 and it is something else to drive...also have an SL 500 2004...now that one is a money pit! but the AMG E63...A CRAZY GOOD DRIVE...
You own a legendary engine equipped vehicle now, congratulations! I have ton of content on this channel about our cars.
W212 5.5 Facelift allllll day pls
musics too loud
Only in the first couple of minutes.
That 6.2
Yes. Actual engine size is 6.2 but they named it 6.3 to commemorate m100 engine.
$3,000 for front brakes on these lol
Only if you go to the dealer. Otherwise you can get the OEM front set for about $800. Alternatively, you can get OEM C63 brakes for about $300 that will work just fine.
Do you speak Russian?
Yes, I do
@@AccentOnCars uraaa
Very bad video. Too much noise from the passing cars. Can’t have hear anything while vehicles passing
Sorry, this was one of my very first videos made 2 years ago. My audio and video has got much better nowadays. I will make another 4 year ownership video soon. Subscribe to be informed 👍
Doesnt worth it it's an old car I rather buy a 2016 nissan maxima is nice fast and reliable. I pick a 2016 q50 redsport and is a very nice car and dont have to worry about fixing things cause it have warranty....
Most of us, AMG owners, will spend their last penny fixing it up but won’t seat in a Nissan unless it’s a GTR.
@@AccentOnCars I had 4 mercedes benz cls550 e55 e500 their all money pits I spend thousand on air suspension and at the end the car doesnt worth nothing all and Nissan is waay more reliable than mercedes and bmws and man for the price those new maximas are beast...
I said most of us, not all of us :-) I’ve been a benz guy for a long time. But I am not a fan and could switch. But, most likely it will be German again despite all the reliability concerns. But I do agree that maintaining any high performance German car is costly. But Nissan isn’t as reliable as Toyota and Honda, but faster I guess. I would consider Lexus GS-F or RCF if I were to go Japanese.
@@AccentOnCars nissan was the most reliable japanese cars long time ago now am agree their not the same tho I purchase a 2016 q50 redsport for 22k what a beast I beat a lexus isf many times and with a tune is faster than e55 and e63 man those twin turbos pull strong as hell...
I had a tuned w212 E550. It was making 550+ hp. That bi-turbo m278 is a beast. Basically m157 is built on m278. But regardless how much you tune it, it doesn’t handle or doesn’t give you the same emotions as AMG. Similarly, even if you get 700 hp out of Maxima it is not going to be the GTR. I am not saying folks should only buy high performance cars and spend a lot of money maintaining it :-) Haven’t driven newer Infinity yet. Hope will get one for a review soon. Thanks again for watching and sub to support:-)