It’s funny how canonically Tim and Cassie are the same characters before, during and after the New 52 just having their lives and memories altered but Bart and Conner straight up aren’t the same guys and were in Gemworld and the Speed Force respectively during the New 52. So like Tim and Cassie were running around with two guys who basically stole their best friends’ identities and it has literally never been brought up. Like there is definitely a story there if DC was willing to admit their mistakes with the New 52.
God the amount of times I’ve read Barr Torr’s wiki page trying to make sense of this character and this is how I find out it was pointless…. Thank you tho! Great video
I highly want Bar Torr to come back. He’s literally met this current set of Flashes, Barry, Rebirth Wally and Ace. They’ve all interacted, at the very least I just would have Ace or even Barry to have acknowledged that some other kid was running around rocking Barton’s style. It’s extra interesting to me because with Ace being the current Kid Flash, you would have think that he would have said something the first time Bart showed back up when Eobard took over Barry’s body a few years later
@@eraldsazon7493 Speed Buggy. It’s definitely not canon at least idk how valid it is. But Bar Torr was there at the beginning of the race cheering Wally on next to Barry, Ace and Linda.
I always thought it would be cool for Bar Torr to came back and become some kind of antagonist. He already has a yellow costume so they could just make him a new RF.
@@DeliciaDamaria that's true and honestly having him becoming the new inertia against are wally west and his family Irey and Jai west and Wade west could actually be really awesome story also a bonus having him team up with Jon lane Kent new 52 superboy who was also a murderer and psychopath, and having both of them fight against Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne robin and Wally's kids Irey and Jai west would be really awesome and freaking badass in my opinion.
A young speedster who with the group of freedom fighters battles an opressive government regime in the dark future Is new52 Kid Flash inspired by archie Sonic? Cool
Bar Torr sounds similar to Smallville’s Bart Allen, coming from the future with no memory of his life prior and a mix of the Young justice Bart Allen, with the dark future.
Hey not his fault. Flashpoint was always meant to be a one off flash story but the DC execs decided to use the event as a jumping off point for a reboot
10:43 When Barry met Bar Torr, he said Bar Torr’s power is seems Alien like. 17:40 My God, DC Rebirth really missed an opportunity. They should made *Bar Torr into Inertia* And I just say someone say the same thing in the comments. Think about it. While Inertia dies as Kid Zoom before, Post Flashpoint Inerita has Amnesia and he was living his life as Bar Torr. Inerita/Bar Torr subconsciously wants to be a hero and have a family like Bart Allen as Bar Torr. Bar Torr was a violent rebel(he subconsciously still have violent tendencies) fighting against Functionary in the future who wears *Green* just like his old Inertia suit. DC should acknowledge this while Bar Torr tries to save Solstice from being imprisoned in the future. During that Adventure, Bar Torr remembers he is Thaddeus Thawn. He tries to denies his old memories as Inertia. When he realizes this he once again becomes violent but he still cares for Solstice as she after what she did to to help him gave Bar Torr meaning. It reminisce how he as *Thaddeus saw Bart Allen and Max Mercury’s care for each other made Thaddeus realize his own life is cold and empty as before has nothing but hatred of Flash Family. But Solstice and The Teen Titans gave Thaddeus’s life meaning just like you said in 12:27 (I could acknowledge Sungirl, Inertia’s first girlfriend) After saving Solstice and returning her to the present timeline, Bar Torr/Thaddeus ended up trapped in the speed force. He confronts Bart in the Speed Force, Thaddeus understands why Bart does this, as Thaddeus spent a day in Bart’s shoes, and making his own path. Inerita has less hatred for Bart and has respect for Bart. Inertia begs Bart to send him back but Bart can’t do that. Then Bart left the Speed Force while Inertia is trapped and Inertia meets Eboard Thawne in the Speed force, with Thawne gave Inertia a fake promise to help Inertia to possess Bart’s body in order to return to earth and return of Solstice and The Teen Titans. That’s how I would write it. The story I wrote takes place before Heroes in Crisis. 15:49/ 17:29 And I have to let you know that *Solstice is an actual “survivor” from Wally West’s “accidental” massacre.* It wasn’t Jeremy Adams who revived her, it was Geoff Johns. Solstice was mentioned by name in *Geoff Johns’ Doomsday Clock.* Solstice is part a India’s Superhero Team, *The Doomed* not to be confused with Reiser from Doomed comic Thank You, Geoff Johns. For saving Solstice from Tom King and Dan Didio. 17:23 *We don’t even know What happens to Tanya Spears.* Tanya seemly un-alive herself in Deathstroke, but in reality she transfer her consciousness into the a different universe to save Powergirl. Tanya Spears was never mentioned or acknowledged after that. Tanya’s Recent appearance was that terrible Future State Shazam Comic by Tim Sheridan. But Tanya got the New mantle Powerhouse. She should keep that name, Powerhouse(don’t let Naomi steal it). I don’t think Leah Willams know about Tanya Spears. It for the best Leah’s Powergirl is terrible. Put Tanya Spears part the Stargirl’s Lost Children aka Young Justice Society(think they come up with an original name). Cause Tanya is Powergirl’s sidekick.
Based on your ending description, I think an anti-hero, hero, or "villain" forgotten by EVERYONE after a reset, losing everything and everyone, but still somehow remembering and existing after a reset, would be incredibly interesting. Unfortunately, they never handle resets right.
bar torr like new 52 superboy seems to be implied to have combined histories with og bart like superboy and new 52 superboy it would be sick if the original bart and original superboy start remembering these histories and wonder exactly why they have them since the new52 iterations are clearly not them
see now that wally's back as the flash im really curious who would follow him, like wallace, bart or any of wally's kids, could get it, personally i think barts the best pick, no offense to wallace but it'd be pretty confusing to surface level audiences that two of the flashes have the exact same name, and no offense to wally's kids id rather them get nightwing/redhood type offshoot hero identities than directly inherit the flash, i think bart just earns it by virtue of being wally's first kid flash
New 25 Bart, or Bar Torr, is somehow one of my favorite versions of the character. I’m not saying he’s a gem, but man, he was one of the few reasons why I read the New 52 and finished what I could.
I remember reading Titan's Barr Torr and I really liked it but I wish it didn't end the way it did with Barr turning himself in and in prison with solstice (ignoring the fact that Barr came back for some reason). I thought back to why the Titans didn't defend him more. I also was confused if he was Barry's grandson or not.
Posting this here and not on the BLASTER KNUCKLE video since this is newer and youre more likely to see it. consider checking out the manga RED: LIVING ON THE EDGE and making a video on it. Its the only manga that I've seen so far that features a native american protag.
Solstice coming back is weird because while we do see all the victims of Sanctuary brought out of time before their deaths, I don't think you ever see Solstice once.
True, I kinda head canon that she was brought back but as her pre-new 52 self, where she wears Indian clothing and have her powers being based on light, rather than being a black smoke with blue highlights.
As much as I love this video and your passion for this character, there’s no way in hell a writer besides Lobdell is going to use Bar Tor again outside maybe a cameo. For one, we have Ace and Bart as the two teenage speedsters in the flash family. Bar Tor would just be redundant especially when the original Bart exists. Another thing is his concept and direction isn’t clean cut and there’s a lot of hoops to get over for a writer and the readers to understand. Like he was introduced as Bart and looks like Bart and is from the future like Bart but he’s a completely different character with a convoluted history on top of that. It’s nuts
I read the teen titan new 52 comic in middle school, its not terrible however theres a lot of aspects that needed to be developed more but I did enjoy reading Teen Titans N52 till book 7, in my mind I just chalk it up to one of the many possiblities of how these characters are and or could be. (like theres multiple batman and superman comics)
I would like to see him become the flash family version of red hood, not a carbon copy, but have him be a anti hero, who’s also a member of the flash family
7:37 we sure they’re supposed to be the same Artemis since the really just have their names and hair color in common. If DC had really cared about brand synergy their superboy should’ve had a similar power set.
Honestly I liked bar tor however I definitely prefer the original Bart and glad he's back. I do wish they actually did something with, reboot him to be a hero in the future like batman beyond. Give him his own villains, living up to his flash family name but in a future central city because there is too many speedsters running around at this point.
Beast boy was red because he had gained an enhanced connection to the red he became green because for better or less his connection got reset to his factory setting levels
@@jackgonahieu4999 one of the major primal forces in DC Comics cosmology, which binds together all animal life. Overseen by the mystic Parliament of Limbs, the Red empowers all those metahumans and mystics who draw power from a connection to animals, including Beast Boy, Vixen, and Animal Man.
Never thought id see a barr torr video lol, this was great. Such a terribly made character, tho id like to see him get a sendoff in the current universe same way they killed off Daniel West in the suicide squad.
You should make a Bart Allen video, his hostory is very extensive too. Going from a kid who ages too quick, to just an impulsive kid, to the flash, back to a kid, him becoming a white flash in "Flashpoint: kid flash lost", then being deaged once again in rebirth.
The new 52 was frankly audacious, but I think the biggest insult is how quickly DC gave up on it. The goal was to make it easier for new readers to get into comics and that was never the case. Even before rebirth there were the constant references and confusion from all fans. Like you have to wonder who green lit this character and then who green lit just ignoring his existence? Like talk about the worst decision that just wastes EVERYONE'S time. This could have just been a different universe or elseworld. Could've even just retconned it into a situation like Wally and Wallace.
Awesome job on this video! Wow great story! I feel so bad for Soltice! Also it sounds like both characters work best together and that’s what Dc failed to realize! Truly a shame! I hope that they can make a good new story with them someday soon. I’m really enjoying your videos so far. Glad to have you on my subscription list!
There’s just a heap of really really good concepts and ideas in the New 52. So much that it’s super frustrating bcus almost none of them ever went anywhere
All of the heroes who died in heroes in crisis came back to life thanks to Gold Beetle in The Flash #795 by Jeremy Adams. Jeremy Adams had a great run on the Flash and a lot of what he did essentially came down to fixing heroes in crisis. First he made it not Wally’s fault that everyone died (after Joshua Williamson also made it not Wally’s fault but Thawne influencing him to blame booster and Harley) and then he brought back everyone who died.
I like to call little oddities in continuity like this, ab0rted f3tuses. I think New 52 Superboy would count as one too, even if the last appearance in that backup says him and current/preflashpoint Kon-El are the same. That story feels oddly out of sync. One way or another, I love these little weird off points in continuity. Chris Kent would be another one I reckon
Hmmm I could have sworn their histories were shortened to five years prior their debut in the new 52, not 10. Meaning Bruce went through one Robin a year if you allow him to have had one year solo. Such a mess.
I have never heard of him until now but interesting character, and i like his suit! at first I thought it was a clone of Eobard Thawne or something /Sweden
One thing that you may not realize is that Erbord is the descendant of Barry's twin brother who was taken or rather giving away by the doctor that delivered him to a criminal family and became the super villain cobalt blue
Continuity note, Meloni Thawne is not Eobard Thawne's daughter. She's President Thawne's daughter, who is a distant descendant of the Thawne line. Eobard Thawne is from the 25th century, Meloni is from the 30th Century, and thus five hundred years removed. She's basically his great great great great great great great grand niece, because Eobard Thawne himself had no kids. Fun trivia note, the second member of the family to be shown in the Kid Flash duds is actually Wally's daughter, Iris/Irey West. She appears via time travel in the wonderful story Chain Lightning as Kid Flash, years before Bart took up the name. She technically appears in more Flash comics as Kid Flash than Bar Torr! Though no Teen Titans run (...yet). Lobdell's Teen Titans is the worst of a bad bunch of New 52 comics, in my opinion, and it's in no small part because of Bar Torr's awful backstory and ruination of everything Bart represented. Seeing a video of someone liking Bar Torr is like my kryptonite. It's legitimately one of the worst characters and comics I've ever read. Speed Buggy is obviously non canon, so I wouldn't worry about that. It's just Booth and Lobdell trying to stick their little creation wherever they can.
Would’ve been cooler imo if New 52 Kid Flash was a future Bart Allen going back in time to warn Barry or Wally of something but goes too far to when Barry is still barely Flash inspiring a young Wally West to be the next Kid Flash and later inspiring Bart causing a time loop
Bart is my favorite dc character. Superboy is up there as well. The scene where they’re trying to murder each other in space since they’re both like, evil clones, was the worst moment in comics for me. Made me realize we aren’t getting Bart or Conner back for years.
I want to add something. 17:19 I really don’t like how Bendis explained what happened to Bart Allen in his Young Justice run. Bendis made a retcon that Mirror Master had send Bart into a weird dimension and Bart ends up in 40 years into the Future and the Future Arkham Arkham Asylum with Old Harley Quinn as a psychiatrist and she drugged Bart. After Bart escape the Asylum he was just running through the multiverse looking for Mainstream DC continuity. *Did Bendis have a Senile Senior Citizen Moment when he wrote that?* What the Hell? *Why can’t Bendis just stick with Flashpoint Kid Flash Lost story?* It would’ve been so simple and easy to explain. And it would also make perfect sense how Bart was trapped in Speed Force all this time after Bart becomes White Flash. And the Flashpoint Kid Flash story can go perfectly with my Inertia is Bar Torr, saving Solstices story. Is it possible that while Bart was trapped in the Speed Force he still able to witnesses everything that happen in New 52 era(similar of Wally West’s return in DC Rebirth) including Bar Torr being with the Teen Titans all and in my story Bat Torr is unaware that he is Inertia. Bart doesn’t hate Inertia for living his life, Bart even sympathizes Inertia for being happy and trying to make his own path as Bar Torr. But Bart cannot excuse Inertia for murdering people to save Solstice after when Inertia got his original memories back. Even Joshua Williamson is more consistent than to Bart’s character than Bendis. Because in both Flashpoint Kid Flash Lost and Joshua Williamson’ Flash, *Bart knows Barry was Never Mean.* If Barry is ever mean, Bart knows that is an imposter. Also I want to talk another part from Bendis’ Young Justice Run that is confusing. If Connor Kent was trapped on Gemworld when Flashpoint and New 52 happens, what does that means for New 52 Swords of Sorcery’s Gemworld and Princess Amethyst. Princess Amethyst was part of Justice League Dark before joining Bendis’ Young Justice. Are there two Amethysts and two different Gemworld universes since one is Blonde and other have purple hair. Or the New 52 Gemworld will be ignored? It never explain and never acknowledged. I only read a few issues of Princess Amethyst by Amy Reeder. It literally did not acknowledge anything story or use elements from New 52, including Amethyst’s biological mother who trained Amethyst how to fight on earth. Seriously, Bendis or who ever the editor is of Wonder Comics’ Amethyst mini series should’ve made the Amethyst series a continuation to New 52 continuity similar to current Shazam comics as he kept the New 52 origins and keep Darla, Eugene and Pedro into the family. Maybe there should be a video about New 52’s Swords of Sorcery. I want to see if it that comic holds up. 2:49 Tom King wants to solely put the blame on Dan Didio. *They are both equally Guilty for Heroes in Crisis.* Have read you read Tom King other works? Like *The Gift Arc* where Tom King made Booster Gold dumber than usual. Or Strange Adventures where he made Mr. Terrific is happy that his own wife and son died? Or current with Wonder Woman who suppose to Emille the rogue Amazonian but Wonder Woman is fighting the government with The Sovereign(who is the worst villain and the lasso of lies should go to a better villain) and other story of Diana not trying to find Emile. 2:55 DC should do the same with Jon Kent, but sadly he has LGBT plot armor. You can’t do any bad to LGBT that reason why DC abandons the plotline of Jon Kent might become a tyrant due to all the time travel and being torture by Ultraman and a reason why Jay Nakumara is a Gary Stu, Jay is LGBT so he can’t be evil nor get hurt, despite being a terrorist. Injustice Jay Nakumara did got hurt by Injustice Superman but before that, Jay is the only person who knows Injustice Superman kills Injustice Green Arrow outside Superman’s Regime, Batman’s Insurgency and Superman’s Parents. I mean Jon Lane Kent and New 52 Connor are different characters from the orginal Connor Kent, why not make Teen Jon a different character from the Orginal Kid Jon? Everyone would be happy. 7:29 Warblade was in the Culling game. He murdered by Deathstroke. But Matthew Rosenberg brought WarBlade back with his Wildcats comics without any expectations. Who are you going to do next? Tim Drake? or Cassie Sandsmark? Or Princess Amethyst as I said earlier. Both of Tim and Cassie are victims of Meagan Fitzmartin and Dave Wiesgloz’s meddling. Tim got it worst But Cassie as I said before gets the 3rd banana with the confusing part is Zeus is her dad or her grandfather(i believe DC decided that Zeus is Cassie’s father) and Cassie is use less compare to other Wonder Girls. The Meagan Fitzmartin’s Dark Crisis Young Justice is solid proof Meagan Fitzmartin does not read comics. Meagan Fitzmartin is a fraud. Dave Wiesgloz should be a shame of himself for helping Fitzmartin to get the Dark Crisis tie in. She said in her ScreenRant interview. I am worry for Cassie because Tom King. So far not horrible…. Yet. Amazon Attack by Joise Campbell was alright. 6.5/10, What about Bart Allen? You know I like how he’s older than Wallace West but they both the same height. It would be funny that Bart is older but he remains short.
To me Wallace west will always be the kid flash, because Wally Barry and Jay are my flashes, I still respect everyone to take the mantle, the whole Flash family is awesome
Honestly, i will never understand writers wanting to make "Jumping off" points for new readers. Just dive in. It may be a little confusing, but every solo run/event is practically its own thing. Do they make call backs? Yeah. But that just means you have a new comic to read. It's not like you need to understand who the Penny Plunderer is to read Dark Crisis or who Tony Zucco is to read Batman vs Robin. So to me, while i quite like the New 52 designs of the League, Nightwing, and Red Robin, i despise the actual event/story. Heck, when I started, I read Dark Freakin' Crisis. Then Nightwing VOLUME 4 by Tom Taylor. That story gives everything you need to know, aside from an explanation for the destroyed Hall of Justice. Then, i read Blackest Night. After that, it was Batgirl of Burnside. Lastly, i read Final Crisis. The story before Blackest Night. They are entirely different stories that don't require an expertise on everything (except for maybe BN and FC), and are good to jump on in.
Can you make a video about Trigon or the DC cosmology too? I mean sometimes Raven exist in other Universes. So do they all have the same Dad Trigon? Trigon is stated as the near-same level as spectre but he loses to Teen Titans? And... Well Bizarro Superman? How? Trigon is sometimes in hell as a demon which he is not and sometimes he is in underworld or his own universe. If there is only one Trigon how are there multiple Ravens? I mean he usually got captured or defeated by her. So when we not see him is he getting clapped in other universes? Or does he have Avatars like Darksied has? İf yes why no Writer told it! There is only one hell but multiple Etrigans, Etrigan is relative to both Trigon and Raven. How? Ahhhhhhh Men ı have so many questions. DC should have some specifications about characters that writers can't change.
I feel like they should have left him in the future with his girl in prison colony and should alone come back to the character to deal with the whole oppresive government of the future, otherwise it's a disservice to the character
Bart-torr was such a bad character that i was so happy he got erased from existence after the new 52 ended because my god this character like new 52 superboy was also a failure in my opinion.
A smart writer would've repurposed Bar Torr into a rebooted Inertia.
That's actually what I thought they were going with. I think at one point Bar Tor was wearing Inertia's colors. I think it was on a cover page...
They still can, no?
The New 52 in a nutshell:
He should steal his body
Damn someone at DC please read this.
This is the first video I've seen ever discussing this weird version of Bart.
Same
It’s funny how canonically Tim and Cassie are the same characters before, during and after the New 52 just having their lives and memories altered but Bart and Conner straight up aren’t the same guys and were in Gemworld and the Speed Force respectively during the New 52. So like Tim and Cassie were running around with two guys who basically stole their best friends’ identities and it has literally never been brought up. Like there is definitely a story there if DC was willing to admit their mistakes with the New 52.
Why did they make them two separate people and not just change to be like their pre-N52 selves?
@@ProjektTaku We've gotten their P-52 selves back after rebirth.
Edit: originally wrote N-52 when I meant to write P-52
I liked new 52 Superboy is he even still around or is the new leather jacket one the same guy
@@jesterfromthecave6691 the leather jacket is the one from before the N52 and the N52 seems to just be written out.
@@ProjektTaku weird
God the amount of times I’ve read Barr Torr’s wiki page trying to make sense of this character and this is how I find out it was pointless…. Thank you tho! Great video
I highly want Bar Torr to come back. He’s literally met this current set of Flashes, Barry, Rebirth Wally and Ace. They’ve all interacted, at the very least I just would have Ace or even Barry to have acknowledged that some other kid was running around rocking Barton’s style. It’s extra interesting to me because with Ace being the current Kid Flash, you would have think that he would have said something the first time Bart showed back up when Eobard took over Barry’s body a few years later
I got confused when you said ace until you said kid flash then I relize it was wallACE
When did Bar Torr and Wally interact??
@@eraldsazon7493 Speed Buggy. It’s definitely not canon at least idk how valid it is. But Bar Torr was there at the beginning of the race cheering Wally on next to Barry, Ace and Linda.
I always thought it would be cool for Bar Torr to came back and become some kind of antagonist. He already has a yellow costume so they could just make him a new RF.
as a antagonist against are wally west that would be interesting
More like Inertia he even wore a uniform really similar to Inertia's with the same colors at some point
@@DeliciaDamaria that's true and honestly having him becoming the new inertia against are wally west and his family Irey and Jai west and Wade west could actually be really awesome story also a bonus having him team up with Jon lane Kent new 52 superboy who was also a murderer and psychopath, and having both of them fight against Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne robin and Wally's kids Irey and Jai west would be really awesome and freaking badass in my opinion.
@@TevyaSmolkaWhy would he be a villain for Wally, if anything he’d be a Bart villain
@@theamazingwebhead6453 that’s true and you’re right about that
A young speedster who with the group of freedom fighters battles an opressive government regime in the dark future
Is new52 Kid Flash inspired by archie Sonic?
Cool
I was just about to say the same thing: sounds like Lobdell’s Sonic OC.
Bar Torr sounds similar to Smallville’s Bart Allen, coming from the future with no memory of his life prior and a mix of the Young justice Bart Allen, with the dark future.
The T on his shoulder tells me that maybe he has something to do with Mr Terrific. That's my only guess.
It stood for Titans. Didn’t make much sense then either
Bar Torr has a amazing look, and Solstice is alive since Heroes in crisis was undone.
It wasn't undone LOL
they just selectively revived some mofo
Yes cause Jeremy Adam’s retconned that Savitar did it
3:31 Damn it Barry
Hey not his fault. Flashpoint was always meant to be a one off flash story but the DC execs decided to use the event as a jumping off point for a reboot
@skyslasher2297 Don't blame a character. Blame editorial.
@@myconiusmaximus1022 it’s funny tho
@@skyslasher2297 it is. But it’s even funnier to blame the incompetent boobs of DC editorial. 😂
10:43 When Barry met Bar Torr, he said Bar Torr’s power is seems Alien like.
17:40 My God, DC Rebirth really missed an opportunity.
They should made *Bar Torr into Inertia*
And I just say someone say the same thing in the comments.
Think about it.
While Inertia dies as Kid Zoom before, Post Flashpoint Inerita has Amnesia and he was living his life as Bar Torr.
Inerita/Bar Torr subconsciously wants to be a hero and have a family like Bart Allen as Bar Torr. Bar Torr was a violent rebel(he subconsciously still have violent tendencies) fighting against Functionary in the future who wears *Green* just like his old Inertia suit.
DC should acknowledge this while Bar Torr tries to save Solstice from being imprisoned in the future. During that Adventure, Bar Torr remembers he is Thaddeus Thawn. He tries to denies his old memories as Inertia.
When he realizes this he once again becomes violent but he still cares for Solstice as she after what she did to to help him gave Bar Torr meaning. It reminisce how he as *Thaddeus saw Bart Allen and Max Mercury’s care for each other made Thaddeus realize his own life is cold and empty as before has nothing but hatred of Flash Family. But Solstice and The Teen Titans gave Thaddeus’s life meaning just like you said in 12:27 (I could acknowledge Sungirl, Inertia’s first girlfriend)
After saving Solstice and returning her to the present timeline, Bar Torr/Thaddeus ended up trapped in the speed force.
He confronts Bart in the Speed Force, Thaddeus understands why Bart does this, as Thaddeus spent a day in Bart’s shoes, and making his own path.
Inerita has less hatred for Bart and has respect for Bart.
Inertia begs Bart to send him back but Bart can’t do that. Then Bart left the Speed Force while Inertia is trapped and Inertia meets Eboard Thawne in the Speed force, with Thawne gave Inertia a fake promise to help Inertia to possess Bart’s body in order to return to earth and return of Solstice and The Teen Titans.
That’s how I would write it.
The story I wrote takes place before Heroes in Crisis.
15:49/ 17:29 And I have to let you know that *Solstice is an actual “survivor” from Wally West’s “accidental” massacre.* It wasn’t Jeremy Adams who revived her, it was Geoff Johns.
Solstice was mentioned by name in *Geoff Johns’ Doomsday Clock.* Solstice is part a India’s Superhero Team, *The Doomed* not to be confused with Reiser from Doomed comic
Thank You, Geoff Johns. For saving Solstice from Tom King and Dan Didio.
17:23 *We don’t even know What happens to Tanya Spears.* Tanya seemly un-alive herself in Deathstroke, but in reality she transfer her consciousness into the a different universe to save Powergirl. Tanya Spears was never mentioned or acknowledged after that.
Tanya’s Recent appearance was that terrible Future State Shazam Comic by Tim Sheridan. But Tanya got the New mantle Powerhouse. She should keep that name, Powerhouse(don’t let Naomi steal it).
I don’t think Leah Willams know about Tanya Spears. It for the best Leah’s Powergirl is terrible.
Put Tanya Spears part the Stargirl’s Lost Children aka Young Justice Society(think they come up with an original name). Cause Tanya is Powergirl’s sidekick.
He gives off young Reverse Flash Vibes
Based on your ending description, I think an anti-hero, hero, or "villain" forgotten by EVERYONE after a reset, losing everything and everyone, but still somehow remembering and existing after a reset, would be incredibly interesting. Unfortunately, they never handle resets right.
bar torr like new 52 superboy seems to be implied to have combined histories with og bart like superboy and new 52 superboy
it would be sick if the original bart and original superboy start remembering these histories and wonder exactly why they have them
since the new52 iterations are clearly not them
The New 52 was a fun mess🤣
He’s back !
see now that wally's back as the flash im really curious who would follow him, like wallace, bart or any of wally's kids, could get it, personally i think barts the best pick, no offense to wallace but it'd be pretty confusing to surface level audiences that two of the flashes have the exact same name, and no offense to wally's kids id rather them get nightwing/redhood type offshoot hero identities than directly inherit the flash, i think bart just earns it by virtue of being wally's first kid flash
New 25 Bart, or Bar Torr, is somehow one of my favorite versions of the character. I’m not saying he’s a gem, but man, he was one of the few reasons why I read the New 52 and finished what I could.
I remember reading Titan's Barr Torr and I really liked it but I wish it didn't end the way it did with Barr turning himself in and in prison with solstice (ignoring the fact that Barr came back for some reason). I thought back to why the Titans didn't defend him more. I also was confused if he was Barry's grandson or not.
i love u for using megaman zero and zx music 😭
First off, great video, second great choice in music. Love the Mega Man Zero 2 Soundtrack.
I like New 52 Superboy I like how they show more of his T.K Ability
classic conner recently used a lot of tk in superboy: man of tomorrow
Posting this here and not on the BLASTER KNUCKLE video since this is newer and youre more likely to see it.
consider checking out the manga RED: LIVING ON THE EDGE and making a video on it.
Its the only manga that I've seen so far that features a native american protag.
Solstice coming back is weird because while we do see all the victims of Sanctuary brought out of time before their deaths, I don't think you ever see Solstice once.
True, I kinda head canon that she was brought back but as her pre-new 52 self, where she wears Indian clothing and have her powers being based on light, rather than being a black smoke with blue highlights.
As much as I love this video and your passion for this character, there’s no way in hell a writer besides Lobdell is going to use Bar Tor again outside maybe a cameo. For one, we have Ace and Bart as the two teenage speedsters in the flash family. Bar Tor would just be redundant especially when the original Bart exists.
Another thing is his concept and direction isn’t clean cut and there’s a lot of hoops to get over for a writer and the readers to understand. Like he was introduced as Bart and looks like Bart and is from the future like Bart but he’s a completely different character with a convoluted history on top of that. It’s nuts
I read the teen titan new 52 comic in middle school, its not terrible however theres a lot of aspects that needed to be developed more but I did enjoy reading Teen Titans N52 till book 7, in my mind I just chalk it up to one of the many possiblities of how these characters are and or could be. (like theres multiple batman and superman comics)
Brett Booth is merely continuing the tradition that says awesome art doesn't need feet.
I would like to see him become the flash family version of red hood, not a carbon copy, but have him be a anti hero, who’s also a member of the flash family
I will never accept Bart as KF, he'll always be Impulse to me
Same here
Gotta remember Daniel West just never showing back up after he died in suicide squad
7:37 we sure they’re supposed to be the same Artemis since the really just have their names and hair color in common.
If DC had really cared about brand synergy their superboy should’ve had a similar power set.
Honestly I liked bar tor however I definitely prefer the original Bart and glad he's back. I do wish they actually did something with, reboot him to be a hero in the future like batman beyond. Give him his own villains, living up to his flash family name but in a future central city because there is too many speedsters running around at this point.
Beast boy was red because he had gained an enhanced connection to the red he became green because for better or less his connection got reset to his factory setting levels
Whats the red?
@@jackgonahieu4999 one of the major primal forces in DC Comics cosmology, which binds together all animal life. Overseen by the mystic Parliament of Limbs, the Red empowers all those metahumans and mystics who draw power from a connection to animals, including Beast Boy, Vixen, and Animal Man.
@@davantebarbain3216 thanks
the set up for him coming back as a forgotten hero turned villain/anti hero is absolutely there though
Keep it up I love these vids so well written and spoken !
Never thought id see a barr torr video lol, this was great. Such a terribly made character, tho id like to see him get a sendoff in the current universe same way they killed off Daniel West in the suicide squad.
You should make a Bart Allen video, his hostory is very extensive too. Going from a kid who ages too quick, to just an impulsive kid, to the flash, back to a kid, him becoming a white flash in "Flashpoint: kid flash lost", then being deaged once again in rebirth.
Actually it was 5 years before The New 52 that everyone had their debut/origins.
Five years for everyone but Batman, who had 5 additional years added onto him to make room for the 5 sidekicks he has
@@THEMANGALOG Batman year zero takes place 10 years before Batman nr 1 New 52? Because Superman was active in Batman year zero.
I've literally just been asking about what happened to him!
Also, When are they finally going to bring back Barry Allen again?!
Barry’s back, I think he was recently in the flash annual
The new 52 was frankly audacious, but I think the biggest insult is how quickly DC gave up on it. The goal was to make it easier for new readers to get into comics and that was never the case. Even before rebirth there were the constant references and confusion from all fans. Like you have to wonder who green lit this character and then who green lit just ignoring his existence? Like talk about the worst decision that just wastes EVERYONE'S time. This could have just been a different universe or elseworld. Could've even just retconned it into a situation like Wally and Wallace.
My answer was Wallace Weet because Wally West is the flash
Awesome job on this video! Wow great story! I feel so bad for Soltice! Also it sounds like both characters work best together and that’s what Dc failed to realize! Truly a shame! I hope that they can make a good new story with them someday soon. I’m really enjoying your videos so far. Glad to have you on my subscription list!
The Heroes in Crisis rant made me laugh out loud
I think the new 52 was a 5 year time jump not 10. although a 5 year timeline makes even less sense.
barr torr’s suit was so cook though I want to see it again somehow
0:22 how are there 3 bart alans including bar tor
There’s just a heap of really really good concepts and ideas in the New 52. So much that it’s super frustrating bcus almost none of them ever went anywhere
Key point. No you got the new 52 timeline wrong. Superman is LITERALLY in Batman Zero year.
Comics shall never not be confusing
Yooo
That's battle network bgn in the background
You pixelated New 52 Supergirl's leotard bottoms? I'm sensing some strong character design opinions.
12:39 Killing a dude to be with your lover is insane 😂
All of the heroes who died in heroes in crisis came back to life thanks to Gold Beetle in The Flash #795 by Jeremy Adams. Jeremy Adams had a great run on the Flash and a lot of what he did essentially came down to fixing heroes in crisis. First he made it not Wally’s fault that everyone died (after Joshua Williamson also made it not Wally’s fault but Thawne influencing him to blame booster and Harley) and then he brought back everyone who died.
Oh nvm I made this comment b4 the video ended whoops
2:42 MY EARS WTF
I like to call little oddities in continuity like this, ab0rted f3tuses. I think New 52 Superboy would count as one too, even if the last appearance in that backup says him and current/preflashpoint Kon-El are the same. That story feels oddly out of sync. One way or another, I love these little weird off points in continuity. Chris Kent would be another one I reckon
0:58 Jay Garrick doesn't need the speed force though.
Did you know that the thawnes and Allen’s are actually related?
Twins separated at birth to be exact.
16:07 - “Because Tom King killed her off in Heroes in Crisis. One of the worst fucking events DC has ever done.”
You just earned my sub.
Well told. Many thanks. I had no idea.
Hmmm I could have sworn their histories were shortened to five years prior their debut in the new 52, not 10. Meaning Bruce went through one Robin a year if you allow him to have had one year solo. Such a mess.
I have never heard of him until now
but interesting character, and i like his suit!
at first I thought it was a clone of Eobard Thawne or something
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One thing that you may not realize is that Erbord is the descendant of Barry's twin brother who was taken or rather giving away by the doctor that delivered him to a criminal family and became the super villain cobalt blue
Also the speed buggy issue, thats just Bart not Barr, the artist just chose to draw the Barr Torr version.
They should all have a Battle Royale to decide who should be the true Kid Flash.
Continuity note, Meloni Thawne is not Eobard Thawne's daughter. She's President Thawne's daughter, who is a distant descendant of the Thawne line. Eobard Thawne is from the 25th century, Meloni is from the 30th Century, and thus five hundred years removed. She's basically his great great great great great great great grand niece, because Eobard Thawne himself had no kids.
Fun trivia note, the second member of the family to be shown in the Kid Flash duds is actually Wally's daughter, Iris/Irey West. She appears via time travel in the wonderful story Chain Lightning as Kid Flash, years before Bart took up the name. She technically appears in more Flash comics as Kid Flash than Bar Torr! Though no Teen Titans run (...yet).
Lobdell's Teen Titans is the worst of a bad bunch of New 52 comics, in my opinion, and it's in no small part because of Bar Torr's awful backstory and ruination of everything Bart represented. Seeing a video of someone liking Bar Torr is like my kryptonite. It's legitimately one of the worst characters and comics I've ever read.
Speed Buggy is obviously non canon, so I wouldn't worry about that. It's just Booth and Lobdell trying to stick their little creation wherever they can.
Would’ve been cooler imo if New 52 Kid Flash was a future Bart Allen going back in time to warn Barry or Wally of something but goes too far to when Barry is still barely Flash inspiring a young Wally West to be the next Kid Flash and later inspiring Bart causing a time loop
Yoo, Mr. Log has returned.
Bart is my favorite dc character. Superboy is up there as well.
The scene where they’re trying to murder each other in space since they’re both like, evil clones, was the worst moment in comics for me.
Made me realize we aren’t getting Bart or Conner back for years.
I want to add something.
17:19 I really don’t like how Bendis explained what happened to Bart Allen in his Young Justice run. Bendis made a retcon that Mirror Master had send Bart into a weird dimension and Bart ends up in 40 years into the Future and the Future Arkham Arkham Asylum with Old Harley Quinn as a psychiatrist and she drugged Bart. After Bart escape the Asylum he was just running through the multiverse looking for Mainstream DC continuity.
*Did Bendis have a Senile Senior Citizen Moment when he wrote that?* What the Hell?
*Why can’t Bendis just stick with Flashpoint Kid Flash Lost story?* It would’ve been so simple and easy to explain. And it would also make perfect sense how Bart was trapped in Speed Force all this time after Bart becomes White Flash.
And the Flashpoint Kid Flash story can go perfectly with my Inertia is Bar Torr, saving Solstices story.
Is it possible that while Bart was trapped in the Speed Force he still able to witnesses everything that happen in New 52 era(similar of Wally West’s return in DC Rebirth) including Bar Torr being with the Teen Titans all and in my story Bat Torr is unaware that he is Inertia.
Bart doesn’t hate Inertia for living his life, Bart even sympathizes Inertia for being happy and trying to make his own path as Bar Torr. But Bart cannot excuse Inertia for murdering people to save Solstice after when Inertia got his original memories back.
Even Joshua Williamson is more consistent than to Bart’s character than Bendis. Because in both Flashpoint Kid Flash Lost and Joshua Williamson’ Flash, *Bart knows Barry was Never Mean.* If Barry is ever mean, Bart knows that is an imposter.
Also I want to talk another part from Bendis’ Young Justice Run that is confusing. If Connor Kent was trapped on Gemworld when Flashpoint and New 52 happens, what does that means for New 52 Swords of Sorcery’s Gemworld and Princess Amethyst. Princess Amethyst was part of Justice League Dark before joining Bendis’ Young Justice. Are there two Amethysts and two different Gemworld universes since one is Blonde and other have purple hair. Or the New 52 Gemworld will be ignored? It never explain and never acknowledged.
I only read a few issues of Princess Amethyst by Amy Reeder. It literally did not acknowledge anything story or use elements from New 52, including Amethyst’s biological mother who trained Amethyst how to fight on earth.
Seriously, Bendis or who ever the editor is of Wonder Comics’ Amethyst mini series should’ve made the Amethyst series a continuation to New 52 continuity similar to current Shazam comics as he kept the New 52 origins and keep Darla, Eugene and Pedro into the family.
Maybe there should be a video about New 52’s Swords of Sorcery. I want to see if it that comic holds up.
2:49 Tom King wants to solely put the blame on Dan Didio. *They are both equally Guilty for Heroes in Crisis.* Have read you read Tom King other works? Like *The Gift Arc* where Tom King made Booster Gold dumber than usual.
Or Strange Adventures where he made Mr. Terrific is happy that his own wife and son died?
Or current with Wonder Woman who suppose to Emille the rogue Amazonian but Wonder Woman is fighting the government with The Sovereign(who is the worst villain and the lasso of lies should go to a better villain) and other story of Diana not trying to find Emile.
2:55 DC should do the same with Jon Kent, but sadly he has LGBT plot armor. You can’t do any bad to LGBT that reason why DC abandons the plotline of Jon Kent might become a tyrant due to all the time travel and being torture by Ultraman and a reason why Jay Nakumara is a Gary Stu, Jay is LGBT so he can’t be evil nor get hurt, despite being a terrorist. Injustice Jay Nakumara did got hurt by Injustice Superman but before that, Jay is the only person who knows Injustice Superman kills Injustice Green Arrow outside Superman’s Regime, Batman’s Insurgency and Superman’s Parents.
I mean Jon Lane Kent and New 52 Connor are different characters from the orginal Connor Kent, why not make Teen Jon a different character from the Orginal Kid Jon? Everyone would be happy.
7:29 Warblade was in the Culling game. He murdered by Deathstroke.
But Matthew Rosenberg brought WarBlade back with his Wildcats comics without any expectations.
Who are you going to do next? Tim Drake? or Cassie Sandsmark? Or Princess Amethyst as I said earlier.
Both of Tim and Cassie are victims of Meagan Fitzmartin and Dave Wiesgloz’s meddling. Tim got it worst
But Cassie as I said before gets the 3rd banana with the confusing part is Zeus is her dad or her grandfather(i believe DC decided that Zeus is Cassie’s father) and Cassie is use less compare to other Wonder Girls.
The Meagan Fitzmartin’s Dark Crisis Young Justice is solid proof Meagan Fitzmartin does not read comics. Meagan Fitzmartin is a fraud.
Dave Wiesgloz should be a shame of himself for helping Fitzmartin to get the Dark Crisis tie in. She said in her ScreenRant interview.
I am worry for Cassie because Tom King. So far not horrible…. Yet.
Amazon Attack by Joise Campbell was alright. 6.5/10,
What about Bart Allen? You know I like how he’s older than Wallace West but they both the same height. It would be funny that Bart is older but he remains short.
Did u just write an essay
Jay Garrick Forever
O.G.
To me Wallace west will always be the kid flash, because Wally Barry and Jay are my flashes, I still respect everyone to take the mantle, the whole Flash family is awesome
omg megaman ost
Buen video!
Honestly, i will never understand writers wanting to make "Jumping off" points for new readers. Just dive in. It may be a little confusing, but every solo run/event is practically its own thing. Do they make call backs? Yeah. But that just means you have a new comic to read. It's not like you need to understand who the Penny Plunderer is to read Dark Crisis or who Tony Zucco is to read Batman vs Robin. So to me, while i quite like the New 52 designs of the League, Nightwing, and Red Robin, i despise the actual event/story. Heck, when I started, I read Dark Freakin' Crisis. Then Nightwing VOLUME 4 by Tom Taylor. That story gives everything you need to know, aside from an explanation for the destroyed Hall of Justice. Then, i read Blackest Night. After that, it was Batgirl of Burnside. Lastly, i read Final Crisis. The story before Blackest Night. They are entirely different stories that don't require an expertise on everything (except for maybe BN and FC), and are good to jump on in.
megaman zero and megaman zx bgm? subbed
I was the first flash to ever exist
Wait, I thought they takesies backsies the Flash(Wally) kills in Heroes in Crisis
Well I'm so glad that they didn't have incest in CW flash probably the only good thing they do with Iris
Underated
18:18 they said bar tor didn’t use the speed force did they explain the source of his speed?
Can you make a video about Trigon or the DC cosmology too? I mean sometimes Raven exist in other Universes. So do they all have the same Dad Trigon? Trigon is stated as the near-same level as spectre but he loses to Teen Titans? And... Well Bizarro Superman? How? Trigon is sometimes in hell as a demon which he is not and sometimes he is in underworld or his own universe. If there is only one Trigon how are there multiple Ravens? I mean he usually got captured or defeated by her. So when we not see him is he getting clapped in other universes? Or does he have Avatars like Darksied has? İf yes why no Writer told it! There is only one hell but multiple Etrigans, Etrigan is relative to both Trigon and Raven. How? Ahhhhhhh Men ı have so many questions. DC should have some specifications about characters that writers can't change.
3:50 it's worse because all that happened in 5 years
oh hey it's the linkara lore master.
what did you think of the contest of champions ending?
A. West is my kid flash
I feel like they should have left him in the future with his girl in prison colony and should alone come back to the character to deal with the whole oppresive government of the future, otherwise it's a disservice to the character
15:06 Dragon Ball Z Abridged reference.
Not censoring supergirls outfit bruh 💀💀💀💀
Didn’t the original Kid Flash replicate the experiment to gain The Flash’s powers?
I actually didn’t hate it. I lived bunker… i didn’t like they killed Artemis
What comic issue/ arc is at 17:29?
16:09 Savitar did it
CW Iris wasn't his stepsister...
Sucn a fire suit and they wasted it on a nobody
9:06 lock and keep?
That is NOT kid flash!
Didn’t solstice come back
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Bart-torr was such a bad character that i was so happy he got erased from existence after the new 52 ended because my god this character like new 52 superboy was also a failure in my opinion.
I wana read this guy but it sounds like this run isn’t good so I don’t know if it’s worth it
3:56 seven actually. So damn stupid
15:07 Was that a TFS reference? 😮