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Your smoking gun, thumbnail-worthy proof of a sonic fAnBasE PROBLEM (learn proper capitalization btw; "fanbase" is not a proper noun on the same level as someone's name or a country) and its tOxIcItY is... extraordinarily mild criticism, merely the words "Looks like Sonic Forces." ??? You're literally insane lmao thankfully I use the blocktube add-on so I'll never see your videos again after this

Doomers do exist it's why that word exist take a look at stars wars or halo fandom some ppl SHOULD move on and stop surrounding themselves with the series cause sometimes YOU do become a problem not the franchise or game

Forces isn't bad. It's just okay.

So your friend said something baltantly false and people called him out. Than you made a video saying its ok to do that but not to your friend cos when he does it its cool... Am I misisng something?

womp womp, I love sonic forces and im excited for this game

As someone who left tons of sonic discord servers the fanbase really made me hate this franchise how can you enjoy something you loved if its part of a super toxic fanbase which shoves opinions down your throat im jealous super mario fans aint like these sonic fans.

All the dislikes are people who were called out.

Yuji Uekawa Version eats everybody up, soap shoes or not, it just exudes personality

Eh adventure games are better than boost

Looking on the steam community page for the game and I find it upsetting that there are people insulting and judging people who just want to play the game.

i gave up getting my points across on sonic twitter, no one will listen. youtube is a far better and more respectable platform that being said, as much as i respect matt as a creator and a person, i feel like the wording of "looks like sonic forces" was deliberate to spark attention and controversy. seemed really unprofessional for lack of a better term

I think he spoke way too soon. Its one thing to say it looks like forces when there isn't a demo available. Buts its another when people have played the demo and said how it doesn't play like that.😒

Forces aint no worse than the adventure titles 🤷‍♂️

I wish twitter didnt exist.

As someone who is highly critical of the sonic franchise as of current, I will say Matts criticism of SXSG is either misguided or in bad faith. I don’t think he has malicious intent, I enjoy his videos and think he offers a fresh perspective in a lot of his videos. However, I do recall him saying SXSG looks like forces level design over a 2 second clip of an automated turn in the reveal trailer. I’m not sure if Matt realizes that every single sonic game, bar none, includes automated sections just like that. This is not me defending automation as I believe we should always try to give control to the player as much as possible, but I do think Matt only associates it with Forces because it’s a game he dislikes. It’s hard to call that unbiased criticism imo.

2:31 Small thing but I don’t think you can really pin the distrust on SEGA, the company. SEGA has always made good games, they make the Yakuza games and they acquired Atlus, the creators of Persona and SMT. SEGA’s failing with Sonic are moreso a result of Sonic Team rather than SEGA as a whole, since SEGA has always been able to produce good games.

0:21 Damn I didnt know Sonic Colors reused levels designed from Sonic Forces 7 years earlier 😅

Because he is bullshitting and he got the hate he deserved. It doesnt look like Forces,I dont care if it's his "opinion".

Wow! Didn’t know that. Thanks

This unfortunately makes all sonic fans look bad, but tbh yeah sometimes sonic fans be meat riding, and some if them shouldn't even be considered fans

Bro has ptsd from being so excited to forces and being so betrayed by SEGA that now every new boost game he thinks is gonna be dogshit

Ign ahh review 💀

Your points are so accurate, I don't even have to say anything at this point. Matthasnocuts, to be far, was an asshole. It's not because the fact that he does not like Shadow Generations, it's because of the way he delivered his response. And them before taking a break from the internet. He decides to double down for some odd reasons. And that's when I started to dislike him. Premydaremy was not helping as well. He's basically that one kid that saw a couple having an argument and started yelling "HEY GUYS! THEY'RE FONNA BREAK UP!" in the middle of a school hallway. The only question I had at this point is "are sonictubers always like this"?

Speaking about Matt, where is he? he hasn't made a video in nearly 4 months.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Sonic fans are impossible to please. No matter how good a game get's they'll always have a problem with it. They will keep on with the nonsensical hate. Sonic team could release a game tomorrow, It could get a 100% metascore on Metacritic and could be regarded as a masterpiece and Sonic fans will still say it's bad. They aren't actually fans of sonic, they are haters who disguise themselves as fans.

"Oh no, people are criticizing my opinion/criticism of a game......THEY MUST BE EXUDING TOXIC POSITIVITY!" lmao, TH-cam reviewers crack me up.

It's not really that important yap all you want about the art style it's not gonna change anything!

This video was fantastic and I'm sticking around for more. Believe it or not, my video actually gave me a glimpse into the whole toxic negativity side of this fanbase and while I still stand by my idea that negativity really is a big issue (and you seem to agree with that) I know now that maybe even trying to analyze takes from others in this franchise isn't worth the headache. You didn't attack me in your video like I expected you to and I respect you for that. I won't be hypocritical and tell you off for using my vid in your thumbnail - we creators have to play the game to get anywhere. If anything I find it flattering that I'm important enough to be used like that. But all in all I've learned a bit from this entire thing and will once again reiterate that I don't think Matt's opinion itself was the issue but more so a trait a lot of Sonic fans SEEM to have but I'm gonna refrain from discussions like that in the future regardless of my intentions. Can't wait to watch more of your stuff 😁

After just watching chaomix's video I think this is a hold over from the negative/ironic "sonic was always bad" times. I think its made certain people in the community really really defensive. Me included admittedly at times. Now everybodys sort of on watch to see who the next sonic hater is. I also think the hyperfixated people who point out very very minor things in a tweet don't help. Even if they're not trying to be harsh or anything. A youtuber I constantly disagree with is premydaremy. But I don't harass him or call him names, I just question what led him to think that way and move on with my life

This video is so bias

Would of made more sense to go after a toxic shipper that literally treats Amy like an accessory to Sonic than someone saying that their first impressions gave then Forces vibes.

I also think that since unleashed, the voice of sonic kinda goes hand in hand with design. Jason works so well in the previous designs, but in unleashed that’s peak acting from him and it really helps that the model matches the voice. Roger on the other hand just doesn’t do it for me. His voice ruins what could be a decent design. I’m not like that harsh on the shorter quills since forces, but the voice is most out of place with this interpretation. If Devin Mack can voice him in games that would be a major upgrade on the look. Yes I still think a change is need in design, but more importantly the voice needs the change

My least favorite part about the visual direction of frontiers is not just the floating assets, but the fact those assets never change design wise throughout every island, it makes the game look even more cobbled together than it already is

funny video imao

Matthasnocuts is so garbage

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Expecting people to behave in Sonic Twitter is a completely lost cause it's so embarassing

Hot Takes: Sonic 2 is better then Sonic 3k Sonic Boom TV is the best in the franchise Sonic 06 is 4/10 Sonic Unleashed is 9/10

TBH I'm in the mindset that the Sonic series (gameverse) isn't there yet, but Sonic Frontiers is a good blue print and a step forward in the right direction going forward, I know it's janky but it's mostly the Engine that was used as the Hedgehog Engine by 2024 is a 16 year old engine and that I think it's time to give it a send off (maybe by Sonic Unleashed Remaster with Episode Knuckles) and use Unreal going forward for Sonic Frontiers 2 and the Adventure Remakes. I'm just tired of this Fanbase that closing my Twitter account was the best thing I did as it is DeviantART 2.0, I'm looking forward to Sonic X Shadow Generations as it's like Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury with Shadow Generations being the Bowser's Fury of Sonic game, Bowser's Fury took what made Super Mario Odyssey great and made it better and Shadow Generations I feel is going to take from Sonic Frontiers good and improve upon it with it's open zone hub world (even I would say that Sonic Frontiers is like Super Mario Odyssey of Sonic games being that both SMO and SF laid the blue prints of two of my favorite gaming series going forward, I'm more of a Mario fan though)

There are also parts of Unleashed and Generations that "look like Forces" so it's not a very good critique. For example, the end of Green Hill Act 2. After you run through the giant loop or break the bridge, you hold boost in a straight line for 5 seconds, then a ramp, then you hold forward for another 5-7 seconds to get to the end. Or in Windmill Isle Act 2 in Unleashed, there is a section in the middle of the level where you're in 3D and all you do is stay on the rail, switch to the other, then continue on for several seconds in a straight line until you hit a bounce pad, then go back on the rails for another straight line with one spike bed to dodge. That's just something that happens with the Boost formula. Shadow Generations is very different from Forces because of how many branching paths there are and open areas as well within the levels, as well as the length being pretty meaty. Just because there's a straight line for a few moments, doesn't mean it''s Forces.

The fanbase overcomplicates things. We already know how Generations play. You are buying Generations with some additional content. The game quality is in line with the size of the team and budget. Now if Sega doubles the budget and team for the next big new Sonic game and it doesn't improve then its a problem.

Oh boy sonic politics have become a thing say that to some on from 18 years ago

3:14 i have never seen the other side go at someguy for being positive on the game in the pre-release of frontiers I saw more of the inverse guess not to be dick or anything just strange

Next game i guess it is but 3 levels is that a game for you ?

If Sonic Forces apparently has this level of quality level design-wise then please bring more Forces to the franchise. Joking aside, i saw some gameplays and discussion videos about Forces and basically it sums up to "Sonic game with driving assists (Sonic turns automatically)" imo, besides the handholding (excessive dash pads). Level design there is meh but not atrocious. The Boost handling games need to be like like a racing track instead of a skatepark, basically. That's why i wouldn't recommend making this comparison in this manner but to each their own.

I'm gonna be frank with you. there was no toxic positivity with forces and frontiers, what it was was you all blowing the forces and frontiers hate out of proportion when forces was just mediocre and still had good parts to it even if it was disappointing, but you all wouldn't allow us to even like anything about forces and would label us toxic positivity fans, and then you in turn would hate on frontiers being impatient with it when it was an open zone game and open world map games take 2-5 years to make because making the open maps is that difficult in the industry, even games like xenoblade take 2-5 years to make, main reason its 2 years between games is they've been using the xenoblade x engine and improving it over time. with frontiers on the other hand, they had to make a new open map engine from scratch. and alot of you sonic fans don't understand how difficult and time consuming that is. open world maps, if not done right, can lead to game cancelations, that's how hard open world development is. anyways unlike you all we decided to be patient and give sega a chance, and it paid off. frontiers is now my new fav 3d sonic topping unleashed and heroes. as for sonic x shadow generations, nothing about the level design is like forces, at all, that opinion is just flat out wrong, if you watch the gameplay, stages are several minutes long unlike in forces, enemies actually attack you unlike in forces, there are more multiple pathways more like generations, unlike forces, shadow's controls are identical to sonic frontiers' mappings according to people that played the demo, there is an open zone hub world, new doom powers, chaos control mechanics to use in the stages, chaos warp attacking, new story, all new stages never given the generations treatment before like kingdom valley, final chase, and rail canyon, and maybe more. literally this game is everything forces wasn't. you all are full of it. you can call us unreasonable or nonsensical all you want, but the fact is its the other way around, us people that like frontiers, play other games besides sonic, including open world games, and alot of us knew how different the development time would be and were therefore patient and have good heads on our shoulders. more than I can say about you all.

i've never played sonic forces and the game looks trash, just like all games after SA2 even generations is super overrated