What is RUINING Sonic...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Sonic the hedgehog is a franchise that changes with basically every entry, and while some variety games in the series have been fun, throughout history they have more often than not resulted in less than average games (at least in my opinion!) Hope you all enjoy!
My voice might sound a bit weird at some points in the video, this is because I've been a bit sick lately, hopefully it shouldn't be too bad though!
Why does every TH-camr do this? Whenever TH-camrs say they're sick they don't even sound like it. Well anyways your voice didn't sound bad at all to me bro 👍
@@UltraIDDQD6DOOM I think it might be because we are all very nervous about how our videos will be recieved and want to account for any inconsistency, but thanks anyway!
@@Daviron I get that but like still I just find it funny that every TH-camr does this when they're sick.
@@Daviron well anyways overall good video 👍
@@Daviron Sonic has definitely going through an identity crisis after SEGA lost the Console Wars. I'd argue he has more of an identity crisis than Donkey Kong. Give the big ape credit, at least he keeps the core identity of him being a big gorilla that lives in a tropical island of fun, and hoards a pile of bananas for later consumption... and that DK has some serious strength going on.
Sonic fans even when they get a well received game be like
And then there’s the nigga Mario still tryna get pussy that he’ll never get 💀💀💀💀💀💀
I don't understand what you mean. Yeah Frontiers was overall good and well received but it's still clearly rushed and unfinished. I mean they had to split the first island into three parts. And also Sonic Team clearly just doesn't really know what they want to do with Sonic or at least it feels like they don't know. This comment doesn't really make any sense since this video isn't really complaining about anyting.
😅 I agree and disagree. Some topics are tiredly conversed to death but time itself makes it necessary to revisit those topics.
@@UltraIDDQD6DOOM Yeah with frontiers Sonic Team said I give up and took the kitchen sink approach and see what would work out.
@@alejandroaguilar2012 facts. Sonic Team really needs to just get someone to give them their ambition and motivation back. They need someone who truly cares about this series and has legitimately good ideas. They need new leadership clearly.
I don't mind the variety of gameplay styles, but we definitely should stick to one and continuously improve on it. I hope that the Open Zone formula is a staple for right now because I don't really want them to change it up YET again. We need to stick to the Open Zone formula, improving on it and maybe adding a cool gimmick or two. I think they could put the Adventure formula in the Open Zone and make it more momentum focused so that Sonic can stand out amongst the crowd of other Open World games.
I think that they should do what you said and combine it with the "adventure fields" from sa1. As good as Frontiers was the "open-world" part could be a LOT better in my opinion. I also think it needs way more collectibles and cosmetics. I legitimately don't understand why there aren't any outfits for Sonic you can find or collectibles around the Islands. We need more things kind of like the music tracks we got in the recent update. Such a wasted opportunity in my opinion.
@@UltraIDDQD6DOOM That could be very interesting…
@@UltraIDDQD6DOOM I mean, we didn't even get a polished last quarter of the game, they clearly didn't have the time to do it let alone add stuff like that.
@@100organicfreshmemes5 that's what I mean. They should have been able to finish the last half of the game AND add extra content like Collectibles since it's an open world game.
Also one other thing I think would be awesome is if they brought back the "super speed" sections from Sonic 06 but instead made them boost sections that way you can still have Boost gameplay IN an adventure style game. I think that this would be a good way to please boost and adventure fans, also please just get rid of 2D section from the 3D Sonic games the classic Sonic fans got Mania and Origins they can f*** off.
As much as I like how the sonic series is experimental and tries new things, it's time for Sega and sonic team to go back to basics and be consistent. Frontiers was a great game that brought new life to the series, and the open-world formula could be even better in the next game, as they can bring back the adventure gameplay and have rolling physics and momentum for once since the adventure games.
I love that each game in this series is unique in some way instead of just being a level pack. I love that it's a constant gamble of what comes next. It's exciting. And sometimes I'm in a mood for a specific kind of Sonic game and then I go to that. Another time I'm in mood for something else. There's choice. If it would be only improvement and expansion, then the mood aspect would be meaningless as there would be only one "correct choice", one the best game. I hope the series will keep changing and reinventing all the time, including smaller games and spin-offs.
Definitely a valid take, and while to some extent I also agree that the thrill is really insane, we can still have different games as long as the core gameplay is built on, plus the unity between gameplay would lessen the divide in the fanbase
I see what you mean but it's kind of annoying when we all wait several years for the next game and just for it to turn out to be terrible / mediocre/not at all with anyone wanted or asked for aka Sonic boom and Sonic lost world.
What’s most important rn is for Sonic Team to show they are capable of improving upon an existing formula again like they did with Black Knight for Frontier’s sequel. We will be much better off barreling towards the future if they do that.
@@whaleping I couldn't agree more! I want them to focus on what worked about Frontiers and expand upon that. And everything that didn't work I want them to realize why it didn't work thus realize how to fix it.
I disagree that Heroes was the start of some kind of "shift" with how SEGA treats their devs and games. Sonic games have ALWAYS been rushed. SA1 was blatantly unfinished, SA2 was rushed, Sonic 3 had to be split into 2 games, hell even Sonic 2 had to be made in less than a year.
All that happened was that rushed-ness of the games compounded after SA2, eventually snowballing into 06. But Heroes hardly started the trend.
Heroes was when most people begin to notice as it's the most notable quality shift
It's complicated. Yeah, building upon previous games to make a better game is good, but it will get bland after a while. They like to shake things up to keep the series from getting stagnant, with Forces reception further solidifying this as it was the fourth 3D Boost Formula game.
to be fair mario finds a way to innovate with every new game, even while the core idea stays the same. I'm not trying to say every sonic game should be the same, rather the core gameplay should remain close, while having variety in the gimmicks and themes of the game to make it stand out
@@Daviron Ignoring the New Super Mario Bros. series and 2011-2013.
I see what you mean but we haven't stuck to the same gameplay Style for several games in a row in forever so what do you even really mean.
The thing is the problem between generation and lost world is that for some god for know reason SEGA made a contract with Nintendo that the next mainline games would be exclusive to nintendo products for a long time. It's why lost world and boom happened...However lost world was just a weird direction anyway.
The forces team had little to no confident staff it's why it was just so lifeless and mediocre, and the directors were absolute dogshit and didn't even care about Sonic.
Frontiers was more or less a 'experimental' game. It's why it tried so many different mechanics and directions to see if something works or something just shouldn't exist. Even if it was similar to other trends I do think Sonic team can use this game as a base to create something truly amazing..All we have to do is believe they have the capability to try.
Yeah I feel like people forget that that's probably why they made Lost World. It was either that or they just made something similar to Sonic Colors again since the Wii COULD NOT handle a boost game like Generations or Unleashed. But then again they wouldn't have had to be restricted on the Wii if they hadn't done that stupid ass contract in the first place.
@@UltraIDDQD6DOOM It was indeed the most stupid decision Sega made. Could of used the potential power of the PS4, Xbox 1 or PC to create a awesome boost game but NOPE. 100% make a contract with a company with the most shittiest consoles to date.
@@Electrical010 literally facts why the f*** does Nintendo continue to make consoles that are weak AF. Like it makes no sense just get with the times and use current technology to your advantage. Nintendo is silly.
The WereHog combat is WAY better than the Frontiers combat.🙄
Now THAT'S what you call a hot take.
@@UltraIDDQD6DOOM that's not a hot take, it's a FACT.
@@imnobody321 I wouldn't really say it's fact more personal preference. I like both the Werehog and Frontiers. Unleashed is one of my personal favorites along with Adventure 2.
Well, don't worry anymore. Cuz after the success of frontiers sonic team decided that they will stick with this gameplay style going on.
I kind of doubt that.
@@UltraIDDQD6DOOM kishimoto literally said it himself, but stay pessimistic I guess 🤷♂️
@@-galaxy-5076 I just feel like if the next game doesn't succeed they might get scared and swap gameplay styles again. Obviously I don't want this to happen.
Nah bruh,they gonna turn Sonic into a cowboy,calling it here,YEEHAW!
Personally I like how Sonic doesn't cohere to one gameplay style, I like how experimental Sonic games are. There really isn't another series that's constantly changing like Sonic for better or worst.
I know what you mean but, just look at Mario and what he's done. Nintendo and the people who make Mario games have completely perfected the gameplay formula for Mario games. Meanwhile Sonic over here has like 50 different play Styles all with their own pros and cons. It would just be nice to have a little bit more consistency in terms of gameplay styles.
@@UltraIDDQD6DOOM then just play Mario if you want the same thing but different scenery each game, well except for the sports stuff, kart, and party games, but mainline Mario just do that instead.
Sonic is fun to play multiple different games for new and similar experiences. Like the adventure style, unleashed, knights, riders, classic/advanced, colors, ect.
At least the characters are going to be more consistent now, which is really all I cared about was the story and character interaction. Sonic team tho definitely needs help though when it comes to time, management, and even finances since SEGA tends to rush or make sudden decisions that can ruin a potentially good game then once released becalmed a stain on Sonic’s reputation… sonic06andsonicboom-
@@irkenpony17 that's not at all what I meant. I was just saying that the overall formula for Mario games that's been perfected. Meanwhile Sonic keeps on changing instead of trying to perfect one particular formula.
This is what I'm looking forward to in the next game. SA1 level design, but much more open and big with lots of gimmicks to play with physics (loops, ramps, slopes). Throw in the ability to play as other characters, replace boost with a spindash (or make boost short for a one-time speed boost) and it's literally the SA3 everyone is craving. They might call it Frontiers 2 instead of SA3 if they're too scared, but it will really be the successor to adventure games in a modern sense.
I agree with this. The Sonic series just feels directionless and just doesn't have the ambition that used to have. The next game NEEDS to have confidence, a bigger budget, better Direction for story / gameplay and the necessary time for the development so none of it gets rushed in any way. As good as Frontiers was the game was clearly unfinished and rushed specifically in the ending and story. I just hope the next game is good.
I feel like more time for sonic games is basically over but I do think the next game might have a bigger budget and more people but also we never know because it's Sega and Sonic Team basically everything with them with sonic is a roll in the dice.
@@alejandroaguilar2012 Sonic team needs more developers and a bigger budget. I swear to God Sonic is like one of sega's easiest money makers and yet they just say f*** you to Sonic team and give them no developers and a budget of zero
I mean, its obvious Frontiers 2 is in the works with how well received Frontiers is despite it's flaws. So saying they don't have a direction still when they're pretty much prepping for a sequel is kind of a disingenuous take. I'd like this take if it was before frontiers and them pretty much confirming a frontiers 2, but now that they have found a direction to take they seem confident in taking, it feels wrong to say they don't have one if that makes sense.
frontiers was VERY confident and ambitious, willing to push the series into a new direction that it was so unfamiliar with. and although the story and gameplay weren’t perfect, they did have direction and felt more cohesive than anything we’ve had in the past decade. sonic team is willing to make great sonic games but unfortunately sega never gives them time to breathe, they had to fight sega just to get another year of development on the game.
I'm actually glad that SEGA takes experiments with the franchise. For me it's one of the franchise's biggest strengths. I agree that sometimes it seems counterproductive as from time to time Sonic gets a game that is hated and a game that if beloved. Most of Sonic game feel like a crossover between Sonic and something else which however doesn't has it's own franchise. At least they have a courage to try new things and franchise is constantly a fresh air. It is part of the reason why I believe Sonic is still relevant.
I got to agree with this topic I'm fine with any gameplay style for 3D Sonic, adventure or boost as long as they stick to a formula, make it fun and not drop it after 2 games or so. But with Sonic Frontiers it seems that they are finally keeping their word on this I can't wait to see how the next updates look for Frontiers and the next mainline game
Sonic fans when the do the same thing all the time: this sucks! Sonic fans when they do a different thing all the time: This sucks!
What I realize is that we strive for evolution in sonic. We want growth from game to game.
Mario doesn’t have that, which set them apart in the first place, but still to hear that he’s like that in the future? It’s weird that we as fans hate that. That I hate that.
Sonic fans keep saying "we want 2D Sonic back!, "we want adventure back!, you want Sega to improve with each game but always being stuck in the past about the adventure fans and the classic fans.
I hope the Movie Sonic fans will become the majority and the adventure ans classic fans will become the miniority so no one will complain and no one will trash the games and Sonic's reputation.
agreed, gotta love it though. it’s what makes him unique in a way. good vid!
Thanks a lot!
@@Daviron of course, keep it up!
Meh you lost me when you dissed on Heroes so badly xD Its my favorite Sonic game, and I love how it plays.
This is definitely one of Sonics biggest issues, but I think heroes was trying to evolve the adventure formula. They focused on improving Sonics gameplay, while putting a twist on it. The game was mixed because of how quick it was rushed out the door.
i havent even read the comments yet I can smell the paragraphs
you say after shadow the hedgehog they wanted to reinvent the series again with sonic 06, but actually 06 was the trial to come back to a sonic adventure gameplay style, other things is if they have a chaotic development due to sega's overexploitation, but 06 is not reinvent something again, is coming back to what already work forgiving what people doesnt like or trying to reimplement those things apart in a kinda different way (thats probably why in sonic 06 shadow can uses vehicles but thore are just in that part of the game, and not that much...)
and if you say about sonic 06 being too much realistic, well, yeaaah, i know, but sonic always was designed to be in realistic worlds... idk.. see adventure, if this game would have more detailed graphics it would look basically the same as 06, or frontiers... even the classic sonic were this kind of realistic, they try to be exagerated sometimes with polygonal palmtrees, but still you can understand the realistic style is there, idk 06 looks fine graphically for me, i just saw an obvius evolution of Sonic Adventure graphics.
06 was entirely planned to be a soft reboot, new designs, new characters, a new world. While the gameplay may have been similar in some ways it was drastically changed compared to the adventure games. Instead of making sonic adventure 3 they were making a different direction. While sa1 and sa2 might have looked a bit realistic they were still offset by some stylization and more exaggerated features which is something 06 mostly forgoes
@@Daviron to be honest I feel like Sonic kind of needs a soft reboot right now. I mean let's be honest the cannon and timeline is completely F*CKED. What I mean by this is only have certain games be Canon And also they should clarify which games are Canon instead of just saying "everything is canon" because that makes no sense at all. Like how the hell is Shadow the Hedgehog and it's 8000 endings Canon, how is Sonic 06 Canon since at the end of the game the entire story literally got retconned out of existence, how the hell is sticks from Sonic Boom Cannon? IDK the Sonic timeline and lore just hurts my brain.
what's actually ruining sonic is me
They can't get the fundamentals of game design down so they panic and cram in as many ideas from Nintendo they can to distract from that fact.
Yeah they just ditch the gameplay style before they can fully master it. That's Sonic team's biggest problem the smallest failure causes them to panic and try something new instead of realizing why they failed and trying to fix it.
Hey Daviron, how's that Cover going?
Going great!
@@Daviron Aight man
Also congrats on 1K
@@ALegendaryBlueHedge thanks lmao
I've been saying this for a while. Glad someone else agrees with me.
I was having a great day until i saw your video
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined
I was having a great night until I saw your comment, my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
Why?
@@harrisoncora4259 I was having a great evening until I saw your comment, my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
This video is a year late its pretty obvious what direction they are going now
That's true but the way they got to this was by chasing the open world trend. And the title "Sonic WAS Directionless" doesn't exactly have the same appeal lmao
1:40 imma have to stop you there. Your criticism of Shadow the Hedgehog is just VERY flawed. The ONLY criticism you being up is "they gave a sonic character a gun."
That's not criticism, not genuine criticism. Actually, the guns add nice variety to the gameplay, and most others will tell you the same. Aside from controls, levels are nice, it's polished/not full of bugs, had lots of replay value. It's not that bad a game, it's actually kinda good. Also, no alternative gameplay styles. Just regular sonic(shadow) gameplay.
Please do not continue to unfairly bash this game like everyone else does. Give actual genuine criticism of the game.
to me shadow the hedgehog is just worse sonic heroes which is already a game I don't like, I wasn't too keen on talking about it for too long here which admittedly is my fault, but maybe in a review I can give my full thoughts as to why I really don't like it
The Biggest issue is SEGA owns him.
It's not that sega owns him, its just that they want him to do things that he should not be doing
@@DavironSEGA doesn’t care about Sonic as a High Quality Video Game Franchise, all they care about is how much money they can squeeze out of his Spiny Blue Butt. Remember how Iizuka had to fight for an extra year of Development for Frontiers yet it’s still an unfinished game? SEGA was completely fine with Selling fans a Broken Game just so they could fill their pockets quicker.
@@Terminal_Apotos Yeah Sonic Team is fine but Sega is kind of bad I mean at least they are releasing the dlc for free and it's making frontiers better.
@@alejandracastel No, Sonic Team also have their own problems. Their design philosophy of making things Super Easy, Basic, and Automated are holding Sonic Back. I’m hoping they improve next game but I doubt it.
@@Terminal_Apotos I mean what happened with extreme difficulty.
Sonic Heroes Is A Masterpiece, That's All I'll Say.
Agree to disagree
It’s better than SA1
@@Terminal_Apotos nah, it's better than secret rings and boom but nothing else.
@@Sydney_Angelyt Such a Wrong statement smh
I haven't played it. But I know it ain't no masterpiece.
I agree with a lot of what this video says...
under rated youtuber. I love sonic and I wish it wasn't a laughing stock among gaming. imo it all went down hill from 2005-2017 with some good games in between
Sonic lost world is the best sonic game
Is this a Sonic channel?
Yep
That's why I hate certain gamers. They are babies who can't bear change and are stuck with nostalgia. Go replay the same game for 30 years like Mario if you don't like change.
Sega is a company they want money it's normal they jump on trends that sells game.
Geez dude do you have some pent-up Rage or something?
@@UltraIDDQD6DOOM yes I have. I am a gamer as well but our ... _community_ is infamous for always complaining about the small things.
I think he made this video a little late.
Sonic Heroes is the goat, don't slander it.
it's garbage, don't sugarcoat it
@@Sydney_Angelyt I won't sugarcoat it then: You are bald and your opinion is what made you bald.
@@Sydney_Angelyt Nah, it’s a pretty good game
Bad joke
You probably never even played Sonic Heroes, wait a second neither have I...
amazing analysis
this video feels like it was made in 2011
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@@Daviron I'm just as confused as you are.
What?
@@Daviron they probably meant that the sonic series are in a good state right now and you posted a video that is kinda arguing over sonic series being bad, like a person would do after forces came out.
(I know you didn't argue over sonic series being bad, i just think they felt this way.)
okay, lets be real for one sec, sonic changed for the first time with sonic 3d blast because people back then was sawying the classic sonic trilogy are like "the same game" and they need to make something new and fresh, then with sa1 and sa2 they were consistent, but people was having trouble with "knuckles stages stop the flow of the gameplay" "this character gameplay style is too slow and boring for a sonic game (example amy in adventure 1)"
THATS WHY sega decided for sonic heroes to mix all 3 character in a team, you just switch to them to use those in your benefit and play mostly as the one you lilke most, so everyone is good right?
having different playable character that all plays just like sonic, would just being crticized (and that was clear with heroes other teams, or the advance series (even if here arent that similar..) or even forces with the avatar/custom hero)
they WANT to have the secondary character playable, is not a thing of giving sonic less protagonism or something, is just the things they do since the very beggining with Sonic 2, (but with all the playable characters at the end the only one fun to play is sonic,) i mean, YEAH its a Sonic game, obviusly Sonic needs to be the best one no?
still those changes comes with the gaming community always complaining about sonic, the boost with unleashed or gens was great, but when forces gets announced and people see it was a boost sonic game, a good quantity of people got dissapointed to be "the same" as always, and nowadays people say the boost formula is overexploded and cant offer nothing new, "they need to change" is the same story over and over again, sonic team did it in 2015 with sonic lost world, trying to be a little comeback to a more sonic adventure gameplay, with the returning of the spindash, and trying to be fresh with gravity focused level design and parkour moveset, was criticized for change what already worked
just think about it is always people complaining, sonic is never gonna be consistent not because sega or sonic team doesnt know what to do with the character and the franchise, no, is because the gaming community doesnt know what they like about him.
and yeah, i know i would sound like an angry child and my bad english wasnt gonna help, but i know what im trying to say about this and i know im talking actual facts...
right now sega and sonic team probably would keep with the frontiers formula, because for one time the people is sure that this is great, have potential, is fun, is interesting and blablabla (lets just, hope with the 3rd game they launch like this people doesnt start to say "is like all the games are the same" and indirectly force sega to change something that is already good
Bad timing.
What do you mean by that?
Sonic Lost World "wasnt that good and was again trying to be a mario game)
yeah, Sonic Colours also try to be a mario game and people like it (for some reason, cause colors is just bad lol.)
and after gens people was saying the boost formula is exploted and sonic team was stagnant with the gameplay "they dont reinvent and always just do the same"
well, THATS LOST WORLD! apparently what people wanted.
Mario visuals
Mario inspired levels (mario galaxy)
Simple story that doesnt try to make something interesting just be a, "we have to fight with eggman to prevent hi conquer the world"
Different gameplay to be fresh cause the boost was started to be boring for too much people
people also complain about the boost games being "boost to win" and too much automated, well, thats something lost world also changed, and tried to be less automated
so it wasnt a Sega's or Sonic Team's fault, was community fault
and no wtf, even Colors is not great, Sonic Colors isnt a sonic game at all, idk whay all the people said is the peak 3D sonic experience, when is just a game with bad level design, too short level, more limited gameplay due to the wii mote, and give some of sonic iconic movemnt to powerups that are slower and kiils the gameplay flow (oh, doesnt that sounds familiar? sa2 or something) different sonic characterization and my gad, best 3D sonic game? the game is 70% 2D sections bad designed for a character that fast, sonic colors should be reminded as a bad sonic game, but aparently people though is the best...
Thats why i think people doesnt know anything about sonic at all, sonic isnt a game for everyone, but those people who dont like it (because as i said, is not for everyone) THEY keep pushing to change sonic to what they want, and that doesnt even make sense, sonic is not that much of a kid character casual and comercial, is not "MARIO" he tried to be different while still being commercial, he always tried to be more "adult" or "serious" in a lot of ways
Yeah the "Boost to win" thing is another reason lost world was made.
Subbed.
Hopefully, Sega will stay is this way and give the fans what they need. From what i've seen till now, they're actually giving sonic what he deserves, like frontiers and even the "april fools game" .TMOSTH.(The Murder Of Sonic The Hedgehog), yes, it wasn't made by sonic team but it's like one of the best story telling games i've ever played.