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Sean Finnegan - An Honest Evaluation of Evidence for the Deity of Christ
In this presentation at the 2024 UCA NZ Conference, Pastor Sean Finnegan evaluates the biblical evidence for the deity of Christ.
Discerning how many times the New Testament refers to Jesus as God depends on complex textual, grammatical, and exegetical issues. Still, most recognize between two and nine instances.
Although the tendency to default to a trinitarian (homoousia) interpretation remains prevalent, reading these handful of verses within their original historical contexts yields several other more likely possibilities.
Finnegan presents five major options for understanding these texts, recommending a Hebrew representative approach.
Discerning how many times the New Testament refers to Jesus as God depends on complex textual, grammatical, and exegetical issues. Still, most recognize between two and nine instances.
Although the tendency to default to a trinitarian (homoousia) interpretation remains prevalent, reading these handful of verses within their original historical contexts yields several other more likely possibilities.
Finnegan presents five major options for understanding these texts, recommending a Hebrew representative approach.
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Dale Tuggy - Trinitarian "Fool's Gold" - Mainstream Christian Theologies - Late 100's to Early 200's
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In this presentation at the 2024 UCA Conference, Dr. Dale Tuggy works us through the mainstream theologies within Christianity during the late 100's - early 200's. By examining the writings from that era, he identifies three: logos theory, modalistic monarchianism, and dynamic monarchianism. This is in stark contrast to what trinitarians expect to find, but is fully consistent with the account ...
Will Barlow - The "Throne Room Problem" - Responding to Trinitarian Claims about John 12:41
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Some Trinitarian apologists and commentators, including Dr. James White, claim that Jesus is identified as Yahweh in John 12:41. To do so, White appeals to the throne room scene in Isaiah 6. In this presentation from the 2024 UCA Conference, Will Barlow (Pastor of Compass Christian Church in Louisville, Kentucky) shows that a careful consideration of every throne room scene in the Bible will sh...
Dustin Smith - Jesus as incarnated wisdom
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In this presentation from the 2024 UCA Conference, Dr. Dustin Smith examines what the biblical authors mean when they apply the traits, attributes, and roles of personified wisdom to the figure of Jesus Christ. He first establishes the precedent in pre-Christian Judaism for applying texts describing personified wisdom to human beings (a theological move that many scholars have come to recognize...
Susanne Lakin - Biblical Anthropomorphism - Evidence of a Unipersonal God
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In this presentation from the 2024 UCA Conference, Susanne Lakin surveys the biblical descriptions of God with a focus on the texts where God is described in anthropomorphic terms. She argues that even as metaphor, these descriptions carry content, specifically and always describing God as a single person. To quote from her paper: "the anthropomorphic descriptions of Yahweh throughout its pages...
Kegan Chandler - Cult-Rhetoric and Unitarian Christology
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In this presentation from the 2024 UCA Conference, Kegan Chandler examines the deployment of the word “cult” by Evangelical anti-cult movements (ACMs) in the context of Christological disputes with “unitarian” (non-trinitarian) rivals. Drawing on logic, survey data, and sociological discussions on the formation of social identities, he demonstrates both the taxonomical and ethical failure of Ev...
Bill Schlegel - A Non-Genesis Creation Interpretation of John 1:3-4
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In this presentation from the 2024 UCA Conference, BIll Schlegel argues that the "Logos" or "Word" in John 1:1-4 is not a pre-incarnate divine being but the human Jesus. He interprets verses 3-4 as introducing a new beginning in the Gospel of Jesus of Nazareth, and not directly describing the Genesis creation of the physical universe. From his paper: "While there are intentional echoes of Genes...
Dustin Smith on Sean Finnegan's Isaiah 9:6 Presentation
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Dustin Smith on Sean Finnegan's Isaiah 9:6 Presentation
Sean Finnegan - Isaiah 9:6 Explained: A Theophoric Approach
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In a presentation at the 2024 UCA Conference Pastor Sean Finnegan, working through the grammar and syntax, presents the case that Isaiah 9:6 is the birth announcement of a historical child. After carefully analyzing the name given to the child and the major interpretive options, he makes the case that the name is theophoric. Like the named children of Isaiah 7 and 8, the sign-child of Isaiah 9 ...
Rohan Holt - Why Biblical Unitarianism Matters
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In this presentation at the 2024 UCA UK International Conference, Rohan Holt argues that Biblical Unitarianism is an important corrective that refocuses our evangelism on the true gospel message. By unburdening our evangelistic efforts of the problems of trinity and incarnation, we can better reach those in the mission field and better disciple ourselves to Jesus. From his paper: "Biblical Unit...
Dustin Smith - The Jewish Principle of Agency in the Gospel of John
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In this paper presentation at the 2024 UCA UK International Conference, Dr. Dustin Smith defines the Principle of Agency in its Jewish context, and develops this key concept in order to interpret the relationship between God and Jesus Christ within the Gospel of John. He demonstrates that relationship is one of principal and agent, fitting all six tenants of the Jewish principal of agency. And ...
Thomas Gaston - Dynamic Monarchianism: The Earliest Christology
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In this presentation from the 2024 UCA UK International Conference, Thomas Gaston argues that ancient Dynamic Monarchians held that Jesus was a miraculously conceived man who, after his resurrection, ascended to heaven and to divine authority, as opposed to being an eternal divine Person who became human. Far from being a phenomenon that appeared only in isolated cases in the third century, Dyn...
Andrew Perriman - Philippians 2 - "In the form of a god: the making of a religious anti-hero"
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In this presentation from the 2024 UCA UK Conference, Andrew Perriman explicates the famous passage of Philippians 2:6-11, with a focus on bringing out the big picture narrative and clarifying four exegetical puzzles. He argues the passage isn't about movement between two realms, earth and heaven, but rather shifts in the public estimation of Jesus.
Dan Weatherall - It wasn't God on the cross (2024 UCA UK Conference)
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In this presentation from the 2024 UCA UK International Conference, Dan Weatherall of the BibleFeed Podcast challenges Christians to examine their Bibles and ask the question "who was on the cross, Jesus or God?". He argues the biblical evidence is exactly what we would expect if Jesus was the one who died on the cross, and that the same evidence would be highly surprising if it was God who die...
Jerry Wierwille - One God, One Lord - 1 Cor 8.6: Christianized Shema or Soteriological Acclamation
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In this presentation from the 2024 UCA UK International Conference, Dr. Jerry Wierwille investigates whether Paul in 1 Corinthians 8:6 is reformulating the Shema, and whether he has soteriology or cosmology in view.
Dale Tuggy - Christian theologies in the year 240
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Dale Tuggy - Christian theologies in the year 240
84. Trinitarians Made Me Cry (And It's Not What You Think) - Kassie Woodard
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84. Trinitarians Made Me Cry (And It's Not What You Think) - Kassie Woodard
82. Experiencing the Tuggy/White Debate, Street Interviews, and Post-debate Roundtable
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82. Experiencing the Tuggy/White Debate, Street Interviews, and Post-debate Roundtable
Debate Analysis - White/Tuggy Debate - by William Barlow
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Debate Analysis - White/Tuggy Debate - by William Barlow
Dale Tuggy and James White debate: "Is Jesus YHWH?" (best quality, with slides)
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Dale Tuggy and James White debate: "Is Jesus YHWH?" (best quality, with slides)
John 12 - Tuggy/White debate response - William Barlow
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John 12 - Tuggy/White debate response - William Barlow
Philippians 2 - Tuggy/White debate response - Jerry Wierwille
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Philippians 2 - Tuggy/White debate response - Jerry Wierwille
1 Peter 3:15 - Tuggy/White debate response - Sean Finnegan
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1 Peter 3:15 - Tuggy/White debate response - Sean Finnegan
Hebrews 1 - Tuggy/White debate response - Dustin Smith
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Hebrews 1 - Tuggy/White debate response - Dustin Smith
81. Reconstructing to Relationship - Josiah Wright (Part 2)
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81. Reconstructing to Relationship - Josiah Wright (Part 2)
Dale Tuggy - "Godmen" and the real Jesus
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Dale Tuggy - "Godmen" and the real Jesus
80. Deconstructing to Agnostic - Josiah Wright (Part 1)
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80. Deconstructing to Agnostic - Josiah Wright (Part 1)
79. UCA UK International Conference Roundtable - Daisy Jones, David Fenton
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79. UCA UK International Conference Roundtable - Daisy Jones, David Fenton
78. Success, Hubris, and the Titanic - Rex Cain
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78. Success, Hubris, and the Titanic - Rex Cain
What does God think of transgenders?
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Jesus is the Son of God. Read the bible.
Jesus is the Son of God. Read the bible.
Yep “son of” someone means you are someone other than that someone.
In the AI generated image for Revelation 5:6-14, it looks like God is about to enjoy some cotton candy!
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Hey there young man - Is this video cut and paste - ?? Just want to make sure I know the level of hooey spewed by Sanders here...
The trinity is idolatry.
And the verdict is in: no evidence for the deity of Christ. As always, thank you Sean for an excellent and sound exegesis on Biblical Christology.
Is UCA related to 'Unitarian Universalists'?
Nope. th-cam.com/video/9mt1A8XojsI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qc4KPOdPtW4Lrc_t
God is one and only.
Trinity is idolatry.
Please sons and daughters of men and deceived Moslems, consider this there are God's creatures that multiplies by splitting or fragmenting themselves and become a whole living unit and others are haemorphrodite that reproduce their younger ones by themselves, even trees and plants and animals etc, man has technology on how to multiply them. Can't the creator who created man and such beings and gave man intelligence to so explore and manipulate him creation, not be able to do more than his man and his creation? Again we are created in the image of God so all you see in man should be in God like eyes, head, hairs, fingers etc but these things of God should be able to be and do extraordinary things and should be able to leave or detach from God's body to go and perform a task and afterwards go back to God. That is why we are told in the Bible that God's fingers wrote, God the Almighty Omnipotent omniscient omnipresent entered his creation by several means including becoming fire, becoming wind, becoming pillar, becoming finger etc. In fact God in acting has provided food for 40 years, made water come out of rock, made donkey talk, become dove, etc. Can't this God make his word enter into Virgin Mary, to become full man and have nationality like man? I answer he can do it and do even more. Jesus Christ is the Lord and God. Trinity can never make you lose faith in God of the Christians. Shalom.
Sean is one my fav's, love the logic. Great teaching.
Yeah, he's great as an anti-apologist against trinitarianism - he's probably my favorite also. He keeps it strictly Biblical, and I honestly love the sarcasm and rolling of the eyes - everyone should have a level of indignation towards such a demented and perverse doctrine.
The scriptures depict the Father as God about 1300 times. Jesus is called 'God' about two or three times. God is depicted as immortal, Jesus as mortal. God is depicted as omniscient, Jesus is not. God is depicted as invisible, Jesus is not. Hundreds of times Jesus is differentiated from his God. How can Jesus be YHWH?
I was always struck by the NT writings that depict Jesus as a faithful, pious Jew who prayed to and worshipped his God. Hundreds of times in the NT, Jesus is clearly differentiated from God. Jesus has a God. The resurrected Jesus had a God. (John 20 :17). In Revelation, the glorified Jesus in heaven itself still has a God.(Rev 3 :12).
Indubitably!
The articles on Sean's website about the S/spirit are thorough and definitely worth your time - for anyone who is interested.
Thank you
Amazing!!!
what a total nerd. Theology is for losers... which is why i study it too. lol
I am a Unitarian Christian, however I have to acknowledge that there are many theologians now and over the centuries who are smarter than me and know the bible better than me who believe Jesus is God and God is a trinity. I cannot say that FF Bruce, RC Sproul, Gerald Bray and Raymond Brown are wrong and I am right.
Yes you can. Jesus called fishermen and tax collectors to be his disciples, not elites. The truth transcends status.
To follow up what UCA said, I agree that you can as well. Did Jesus and Paul not warn that many false teachers will come? Did Paul not warn against the time when they will not endure sound doctrine? My question to you would be, how deep have you looked in to the trinity, and the deity of Christ? How much time have you spent on this topic? I came to my conclusion many months ago now, after praying day and night, and spending hours listening to many speakers on this channel, across various TH-cam channels. There is one key passage that turned me from on the fence, to abruptly pushing me on to the unitarian side. That verse is Deut 18:18, when God tells Moses he will raise up a prophet like him, and put His words in his mouth. This is confirmed to be Jesus in Acts, by both Stephen and Peter. For me this put to rest all of the ambiguity in Johns gospel of any 'deity' claims by Christ. And it further highlighted those passages in John, that appears to (rightfully) distinguish between Jesus and God as separate entities (Jesus a man, and the Father who alone is God Almighty). Then there's other passages that give more information, like Jesus' baptism mentioned in Acts 10:37-38 and it's parallel with Johns prologue 1:1-18 (the word that was made flesh, at Jesus' baptism). It's clear to see that Gods word, came to the world through the man Jesus Christ. Jesus was a man, a prophet, whom God spoke through 'in these last days' Hebrews 1:2. Lastly, understanding what Gods 'word' is, and how it was communicated through the man Jesus Christ, was key to my understanding and vehement denial of the trinity/deity of Christ. This side of the Christian theological discussion being the Biblical Unitarians, just made SENSE to me. Satisfaction was achieved. There of course were times where I wasn't sure because of other arguments, but I kept my chase for the truth, kept praying, and the enlightenment hit me. The interpretations were reasonable and responsible. But to come back to other pastors being wrong, Paul says everyone must work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. How can we be responsible and let others tell us the truth? Just because someone is a pastor or has a large following, doesn't mean they are correct. There are many different popular theologians with vastly different beliefs. Can they all be correct? Are there many lords, many faiths, many baptisms? Are there many hopes of our calling? (Eph 4). There is only one truth, and though I cannot judge others if I disagree with their conclusions, I do believe that it is dangerous to get such key parts of the gospel, and of God, wrong. So, what is the gospel? And who is Jesus, and who is God? Because Jesus showed doubt that there would be faith on the earth upon his return. Does that seem to suggest that the truth will be in majority, or in a minority? Biblical Unitarians also seem to mostly be in agreement that eternal torment/hell isn't true, but more of a 'soul sleep' until the time of resurrection. Just remember, 'you will know them by their fruits'. It's not just the trinity that can help you find what the truth is.
@@TaxEvasi0n Thank you for taking the time to write me such a detailed reply. I appreciate it.
Be careful where you place your faith and trust - since the inception of God revealing Himself to man, it appears that the majority of the leaders of the people were in error. God sent into exile the entirety of the Jewish nation for their perverse understanding of His Laws and authority. It was the Jewish leaders that crucified Christ. Be wary if you are part of the majority - many are called, but few are chosen. If you can't comprehend something, then you cannot be convicted of it - God will not mitigate on your behalf if you try to justify your beliefs by that of FF Bruce, RC Sproul, Gerald Bray and Raymond Brown. None of these men will come to your aid or will be able to, on Judgment Day.
Great work. Future discussions I'd like to see addressed are all passages that relate to God acting through (dia) the Son in regards to creating or making or reshaping things. What is the context of what this means to the Apostles? Ref - Colossians 1, Hebrews 1, John 1 etc Trinitarians love to appeal to this creation language as evidence of personal pre-existence.
An hour!? Well, Paul says Satan is the god of this eon so if he is a diety. My issue with trinnies is His alleged equality with the Most High or the SUPREME God, His Father. And yes, I believe the Son was His First Creation. In the beginning. The Son has a beginning, the Father does not. The Son has a God, the Father does not. The Son dies, the Father cannot. Trinnies get all like a Jewish lawyer in denying all this. I actually believe except for going to the cross, our Lord has been perfectly content being His Father's Numero Dos in His Father's universe.
The Creator, alone, possesses Righteousness, and commands the standard of what is pure and undefiled good throughout His Creation. Scripture states there has not been even one righteous man born, beginning with Adam. Romans 3:9-10,12 KJV … both Jews and Gentiles, … they are all under sin; [10] As it is written, *_There is none righteous, no, not one:_* [12] … *_there is none that doeth good, no, not one._* Therefore, Jesus could not have been a perfectly sinless (Righteous) man, a good man, the innocent Lamb of God and Savior of the world, if He was born exactly like us, begotten (the genetic offspring) of Adam. The Last Adam must differ significantly from the First. The First Adam, created entirely of dust, was living in God's Presence (which is Eternal Life) on the condition he obeyed God's Righteous command to not eat from the one tree. When he chose to follow his own opinion of what is right, over God's established Divine command of Righteousness, and ate of the forbidden tree, he was cursed and banished from God's Presence, the consequence being the loss of eternal life, resulting in the corruption of his flesh and eventual physical death, as promised by God. His descendants, lacking any righteousness of their own, and born banished outside of God's Holy Presence, were doomed from birth to make continual sinful (unrighteous) choices, their conscience (Gentiles), or "The Law of Moses" (the Nation of Israel), condemning them. Jesus, the pre-existent Word, who WAS with God and WAS God (one invisible Spirit with Him - Gen 1:2; John 1:1), entered the same flesh as Adam, but through the woman, Eve's descendant, who was made from Adam's flesh and bone. The disobedient son is our common ancestor, from whom the curse of death through unrighteousness is inherited. But not so the obedient Son, Jesus Christ. He inherited His Father's Righteousness and eternal life (life in Himself). Jesus is the only human ever born possessing in His flesh the Righteousness of God (God was in Christ ["I and my Father are one"] reconciling the world to Himself - 2Cor 5:19). He is the only Begotten (the genetic offspring of the male parent) whose male parent is God, not Adam (Luke 1:35). The man, Jesus, is the only way back to the "Garden" (God's Presence and Eternal Life) that Adam lost. Even better, because the "new creation" in Christ will be immortal this time, unlike the First Adam, who lived in the external Presence of God, he will have God's Presence (Holy Spirit) living within his glorified flesh (like Christ), making it impossible for him to return to the former fallen state. Revelation 5:9 KJV And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for *_thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;_* Without the woman providing Jesus with the same flesh as Adam (bypassed inherited unrighteousness), and God donating the genetic male material to the Body of Christ (inherited God's Righteousness), and Christ's death and Resurrection (received Immortality of the flesh), the Last Adam could not have been the acceptable Sacrifice to replace the First Adam, and redeem the fallen human race for God. (One must only believe in Him, and the one who sent Him, to be redeemed). Matthew 1:23 NASB95 "Behold, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH child AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND *_THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "God WITH US."_*
Please what are differences between Islam and UCA?
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With respect, you people should start a new religion and stop calling yourself Christian.
Our entire point is that what we believe is what Christians believed for three centuries before the council of Constantinople, and what many Christians have believed since.
Man, brother this is hermeneutically ignorant!!!! Bro you are the modern day Alexander the coppersmith!
This is a solid overview and very helpful. But these are not arguments against the Triune God rather they are arguments against the incarnation. I believe in the Triune God but I reject the incarnation because for me the triune God is the Living God who never dies.
Jesus was just a man. Men have made him god or a god.
Truly a man, but people underestimate what that means! th-cam.com/video/F86zYRcfQvc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=R2XH0ivRYZWMv-sp
37:11 When a believer uses the expression "my God" in the Bible it always refers to the Almighty. (cf. John 20:28)
yeah not sure why Sean didn't offer that as a possible explanation.
There are at least 2 plausible ways unitarians can read John 20:28: first, that Jesus is being called god because he represents God, second, that it is a dual declaration. In any case, it is anachronistic to read it as saying “my Lord and my one person of the tripersonal God”. 😆
@@UnitarianChristianAlliance It wouldn't be a mere representation of God because "my God" when used by a believer in the Bible always refers to the Almighty.
"my God" in the bible always refers to the Almighty is an unfounded assumption
@@vyrg7410 I agree, but I wrote: when a believer uses the expression "my God" in the Bible it always refers to the Almighty.
The trinity is manmade pagan nonsense.
Thank you for the great video.
What do Unitarian Christians believe to be the central teaching of Christianity? In other words, what is the Gospel according to Unitarian Christianity? Thanks in advance.
It's resumed in this biblical simple but clear verse John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. KJ version. Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. Not God the Son. Big difference.
All crap
Really good question; my understanding of the Gospel is it's the revelation of Gods Kingdom on earth, and faith in Jesus Christ provides redemption from sin and enters us into Gods heavenly and eternal City.
@@luguetm4864 Just to simply believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God? No substitutionary atonement?
@@harrymoschops Does your understanding of the Gospel include any vicarious atonement? Also, are you Unitarian?
Woah. I stumbled into the wild west of TH-cam with this one. This is one of the stupidest videos I've ever seen. Incredibly shallow understanding of the Trinitarianism view. And you don't believe in the deity of Christ because the authors don't just outright say it? Weak. Literally every single page of the Gospels is designed to show (and not tell) you that Jesus is God... how are you missing that? And as for Jesus being the "words of God" and representative: Jesus isn't just "the best representative of what God is saying to the world," He IS God's Word. What God speaks, thinks, feels, and desires IS who Jesus is. John 1 is unequivocally clear about this. I could go on and on about this. But I won't. I'm not gonna get into a heated argument with anyone. And I'm not going to waste any more energy in this space. All I'll say is this guy is completely missing Biblical-theological principles in his opinions and is wasting his time trying to reinvent the wheel. The representative view is just half-baked Trinitarianism that's scared of commitment.
This seems like a dishonest response. If Jesus is YHWH, it would be inconsistent with the rest of scripture to have to read between the lines to get that. I would argue the gospels are dripping with proof that He’s the Messiah. If John 1 is so unequivocally clear, or if that’s the big takeaway, why does John completely omit that from his purpose statement? John 20:31 “But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
@@andy-simmons I'm sorry but that's just a poor reading of the Biblical corpus. John's point in writing is that you would believe in Jesus and have eternal life, yes. Yet John points out that Jesus is the manifested Logos (speech/spoken expression/the logic to all things) of God; that Jesus and the Father are one; that before Abraham was, Jesus was; that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and no one comes to the Father except through Him; and "this is eternal life: that they know you and Jesus the Messiah whom you jave sent." (jhn 17) These are moments where Jesus is put on equal playing fields with YHWH. And there (literally) countless more. Apparently, for us to really believe that Jesus is the Messiah we must also believe that He is God. Why? Because only God can save us. Another fact plainly seen through the rest of Scripture.
Also this guy in the video red-herrings Philippians 2. He focuses on the "exact nature of" phrase yet ignores the full context. Paul is clear. Jesus is God who has lowered himself to be put to service for the benefit of others. If Jesus was just a man, he would have not needed to be lowered at all. He would have already been at the bottom of the barrel. He would have ironically needed to be "heightened" because he was without sin! No human being can be without sin... that's what the entire story of the Bible is about. If it were possible, why is Jesus born of a virgin? Why did the Holy Spirit conceive Jesus? There would be no reason for this if Jesus was "just a man."
I am tempted not to respond to your comment, but thought you should have a resource rebutting your claim that the speaker in this presentation doesn’t understand trinitarianism. th-cam.com/video/OmRatiDDOUY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Pqq_QQYSIVmpOuDD
Yap yap yap. Not one verse, apostle, Jesus or God ever preaches a triune God. It’s manmade pagan nonsense.
There is a very valuable amount of evidence that biblical Unitarians like myself can learn from and Josiah integrity syndicate, last night was on common sense Christianity and tward the end I came in and talked to Josiah and he was very kind and helpful and gave me the site and Man is there a lot to learn from all sides and Luke is the best of all gospel's and acts and Paul, and I was reading it and it doesn't look good on either side but tomorrow I will look into more details, Matthew Mark and John are different in many ways and suggest checking it out everyone, he is a biblical Unitarian as us but John is not good at corresponding with the synoptics and very heavy with not, but I hope you have the heart to look at it and see, I still believe in Jesus as Christ and not God and the Father is the only true God,be careful and enjoy
This is one of the best and clearest presentations on the case for why Jesus is NOT God that I have ever heard (and I've listened to dozens of lectures and debates on this topic). Excellent work. So clear, so logical, so fair.
...so Biblically sound
This was str8 up rad!
why people often misread Acts 20:28. Acts 20:28 (KJV) "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." Why People Misread Acts 20:28 Misidentifying the Antecedent of "His": The pronoun "his" refers to the last mentioned person before it appears. However, many readers mistakenly assume that "his" refers to "the church of God," "the kingdom of God," "the grace of God," or "God" based on the surrounding phrases. Since "the church of God," "the kingdom of God," and "the grace of God" are not persons, this assumption is grammatically incorrect. Ignoring the Context of Acts 20:24: In Acts 20:24, Paul explicitly mentions the Lord Jesus as the source of his ministry: "the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus." Many readers fail to connect this context to Acts 20:28, where the pronoun "his" appears. Overlooking the Role of the Holy Ghost: The phrase "the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers" introduces the Holy Spirit as the one who appoints the elders. However, the Holy Spirit is not a literal person, so "his" cannot refer to the Holy Spirit. Correct Grammatical Explanation The Pronoun "His" Refers to a Person: Pronouns in English and Greek typically refer to persons, not abstract concepts or groups. In Acts 20:28, the pronoun "his" must refer to the last mentioned person before it appears. The Last Mentioned Person: The last mentioned person before "his" appears is the Lord Jesus, as Paul explicitly mentions Him in Acts 20:24: "the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus." Therefore, "his" in Acts 20:28 logically refers to Jesus. The Phrase "His Own Blood": The phrase "his own blood" refers to Jesus' blood, which was shed on the cross for the redemption of the church. This aligns with the broader biblical teaching that Jesus' death was the ultimate sacrifice for humanity (e.g., Romans 5:9, Ephesians 1:7). Addressing Common Misinterpretations "His" Refers to "the Church of God": This is incorrect because "the church of God" is not a person. Pronouns refer to persons, not objects or groups. "His" Refers to "the Kingdom of God" or "the Grace of God": This is incorrect because "the kingdom of God" and "the grace of God" are abstract concepts or attributes of God, not persons. "His" Refers to "God": This is incorrect because "God" is not the last mentioned person in the immediate context. The phrase "the church of God" does not refer to God as a person. "His" Refers to "the Holy Ghost": This is incorrect because the Holy Spirit is not a literal person but the power or presence of God. Therefore, "his" cannot refer to the Holy Spirit. Conclusion The pronoun "his" in Acts 20:28 refers to Jesus, as He is the last mentioned person in the immediate context (Acts 20:24). The phrase "his own blood" refers to Jesus' blood, which was shed for the redemption of the church. This interpretation is grammatically correct and aligns with the broader biblical teaching on redemption. Thank you for pointing out the importance of careful grammatical analysis-it truly clarifies the meaning of the verse!
It's simpler than that. Word studies are oftentimes unhelpful. The plain fact that a lot of language YHWH uses about Himself is used by Christ is enough to convince a person of average intelligence, which are the majority of Christ's followers. God walks upon the sea (Job 9:8) and so does Jesus. In several places throughout Isaiah, God proclaims "I am He" and so does Christ in John's gospel. There are many other examples. Point is, these are more convincing to a farmhand than a lecture on grammar.
@@harrylime9611 Come on Harry that is very shallow thinking. Jesus calls himself a man but God never calls himself a man. Your logic is badly flawed
@Sketchup-fe6ef According to you, when God appeared to Abram in Genesis 17:1 and declared as the Almighty, was it declared through an agent or was it God Himself who declared it without any intermediary?
Hi Sean Heb 1:8 Does not in no way call Jesus God. This is a miss understanding of the text. Hebrews 1:8 and the Context of Psalm 45:6-7 In the King James Version (KJV), Hebrews 1:8 reads: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." Notice that the phrase "He saith" is italicized, which indicates that it was added by the translators and is not present in the original Greek text of the New Testament. This is a crucial detail for understanding the passage. "He saith" Refers to the Prophet: The author of Hebrews is quoting Psalm 45:6-7, which is a prophetic utterance. In this context, "He saith" refers to the prophet (or the inspired writer of Psalm 45) speaking about God and then addressing the king (the Son). Psalm 45:6-7 Context: In Psalm 45:6-7, the prophet first addresses God (the divine source of the king's authority) and then addresses the king (the Son) in the second part of the verse. The phrase "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever" is the prophet speaking about God's eternal rule. The subsequent phrase, "a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom," is directed to the king (the Son). Hebrews 1:8-9 Interpretation: The author of Hebrews is using this prophetic passage to highlight the eternal and righteous nature of the Son's kingdom, which is applied to Jesus Christ. Importantly, the author does not claim that God is speaking to the Son. Instead, the prophet (or inspired writer) is the one speaking in Psalm 45:6-7. Conclusion Your point is accurate: the phrase "He saith" is italicized in the KJV, indicating that it was added by the translators and is not part of the original text. This phrase refers to the prophet (or inspired writer of Psalm 45) speaking in this passage. The author of Hebrews quotes this prophetic utterance to apply it to Jesus Christ, emphasizing His eternal and righteous kingship. This interpretation is clear and straightforward: the prophet addresses both God and the king (the Son) in Psalm 45:6-7, and the author of Hebrews uses this to highlight Jesus' role as the eternal King. Thank you for pointing this out! It's a great reminder of the importance of careful exegesis and understanding the original context of the text. There are many more verses like this that Christians are mis reading like Acts 20v28
This was great! No pretentious language or lofty ambitions-just a clear and sensible argument. Well done!
very helpful, thanks for this teaching
How to get saved/born again-eternal life. Romans 10:9 says, "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved". You must beleive entity A-God, did something for another entity B-Jesus. God did not raise God or Jesus did not raise Jesus. One of the sublet devils tricks on this is hearing Christians say, 'when Jesus raised from the dead', sorry God raised Jesus from the dead.
I said, YOU are elohim (divine beings) and are ALL Sons of the Most High. Psalm 82:6 "To whomever overcomes he will inherit ALL THINGS. I will be his Elohim and he will be MY SON". Revelation 21:7. Everyone Begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed are his divine Sons.
its interesting that as learned as sean is he was still stumbled by the question "what isthe least passable counterpoint to your position?"
and The Thomasion(andonandonon) is what he named...
when a unitarian appeals to common sense, how ought one answer: it is the glory of god to conceal a matter...
meaning, that it is intentional that the trinity be abstract and inscrutable, not verifiable by... uh, some heuristic...
29:30 - "Any difference between the two is a reason not to believe Jesus just is the Father." It may be a lazy and carnal-minded reason not to believe, but of course it proves absolutely nothing. The omnipotent Father is perfectly capable of expressing himself on earth in genuine human form within our space-time continuum while also remaining unchanged according to his eternal existence far beyond our space-time continuum; in which case the Father according to his eternal existence far beyond our space-time continuum would be different from his own genuinely human expression within our space-time continuum. ------------------------------ 1. God is a Spirit, a _unipersonal_ Spirit. (John 4:24) 2. God, the unipersonal Spirit, is love. (1 John 4:8,16) 3. The greatest demonstration of love is to lay down one's own life for others. (John 15:13) 4. So God, the unipersonal Spirit who is love, laid down his own life for us (1 John 3:16). He "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifested _himself_ on earth in genuine human form ("God was manifest in the flesh" - 1 Tim.3:16), as _his own_ Son. He shed _his own_ blood on the cross, raised _himself_ from the dead, and now gives eternal life to all who believe on _him._ And _his_ name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
well you are appealing to ateporality and thats fine but... isnt that to say that the son was the father at some point in time?
Amen. No one has yet shown me why the Oneness christology is wrong. They just burp out "Modalism!" and "Heresy!" without engaging the scriptural arguments.
Does John 1,:3/4 refer to Adam (creation)......or Yahushua haMasiach......the beginning of Life.....Freedom from Adams SIN. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Yochanon (John) 1:3-4.........same writer also explained further in 1 John 1:1/2..... That את which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the Life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) Yochanon Ri'shon (1 John) 1:1-2
None of those referred to witnesses were at creation......its about Yahushua's birth, Testimony, evidence..... ministry and completion of ALL
If White believes that Jesus IS Yahweh, then he’s a modelist not a Trinitarian.
His name shall be wonderful counselor... ETERNAL FATHER... All of those analogies don't work, they explain modalism. 15:00
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@@UnitarianChristianAllianceI dont understand why Modalism is wrong.
if you're saying that the son is the father that would seem to make a problem
In response to why modalism is wrong… modalism denies that the Father and the Son are two persons… and makes a mockery of Jesus when he prays to someone else (his Father) and when he obeys the will of someone else (his Father).
@UnitarianChristianAlliance How can the word "person" be equally used to designate both a finite human being and an infinite, eternal Spirit? The Father cannot be a person in the same respect as Jesus is a person, right? I suppose what I mean to say is that discussions of persons and natures and essences are not found in the Bible, but, are imported from philosophy.
Oh that God our Father would open the ears and eyes of those that have hungry and humble hearts to hear this message.
Yea....And HE closes the ears and eyes and understanding of those who profane HIS Sabbath and Commandments. Yahushua is the TRUTH.....the Truth is the Torah..... Yahushua is the Torah. The 10 Commandments is the TRUTH. Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and your Torah is the Truth. Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me: yet your commandments are my delights. The righteousness of your testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live. Tehilliym (Psalms) 119:142-144
@@Antimessiah-p4bthe outward laws concerning the flesh helped preserve mortal life for israel, and it set them apart from the nations of the earth so that God could bring the messiah into the world through them, but they didn’t directly bring eternal life which is why Christ had to come so that through his perfect example of servitude unto death, his resurrection in God’s spirit, and the pouring out of that spirit we can die to ourselves and walk in the fruit of righteousness until we completely put off the flesh and are raised in the perfect likeness of Jesus. Circumcision of flesh and abstaining from meats won’t save you.
@goziah Are you hated by all for His name's sake.......(No you're not). Christianity is infac the most popular and capitalistic endorsed religion of all. ALL christolics(christian/catholic) are united under "jesus" and Sunday Law⚫ period I am hated for His name's sake, the NAME Yahusha haMasiach. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved. Mattithyahu (Matthew) 10:22 By ONE NAME ONLY!.....Neither is there yeshu'ah (salvation) in any other: for there is no other name(Yahusha)under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Ma'asiym (Acts) 4:12 Do you see the word "yeshu'ah"..…? That's not His name either...... it's written many times in original scripture and refers also to 10 hebrew people by that name. Much corruption in your bible. This is where Yesu, Yeshua, Yiso, Jeshu comes from.....and is entirely fake. Yahusha(Hebrew)Yoshua(English) Ἰησοῦς...Iessous(Greek) is not "jesus". You see those who deliberately CORRUPTED the original content of scripture couldn't foresee that they will be exposed. And where Hebrews 4 is the evidence.....
@goziah Please!!! explain to the audience how the one name Issous ( Ἰησοῦς) is used in your bibles for both Yoshua and Jesus . Because even a novice can see the words "YOSHUA" and "JESUS" is entirely different grammatical and historical. How obvious is the corruption of these "expert scholars" you are referring to. Yoshua and Jesus are NOT similar or related grammatically. So Ἰησοῦς can definitely NOT represent both jesus and yoshua⚫ period (See Hebrews 4:8 in different Bible versions) King James Version 8 For if {Jesus} had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. English Standard Version 8 For if {Joshua} had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. SBL Greek New Testament. 8 εἰ γὰρ αὐτοὺς {Ἰησοῦς} κατέπαυσεν, οὐκ ἂν περὶ ἄλλης ἐλάλει μετὰ ταῦτα ἡμέρας. Hebrews 4 refers to Yahusha(Yoshua/in Canaan) and NOT to Yahusha(Messiah from Nazareth) Amateurish "mistakes".....???.....not at all, it was DELIBERATELY corrupted to promote a fraudulent Messiah and to deceive the WHOLE WORLD! Yahusha the Messiah was given the same name as Husha(Hosea) son of Nun, whose name was altered legitimately by Mosheh(Moses) by adding YAH to render it authority......YAH-usha.....Yah(EL ELYON) is Salvation. Husha(salvation) "These are the names of the men which Mosheh sent to spy out the land. And Mosheh called Husha the son of Nun....(to be) Yahusha. Bemidbar (Numbers) 13:16. (Go read yourself about Yahusha/Yoshua) You are miserably misinformed.
Need more teaching like this in churches
With regards to the last question from the Q&A; I found God this year, and I just had a natural sense that Jesus was not God when I read the bible. But I had some doubts as everyone else seemed to think Jesus was God, and it's hard to explain to people who simply say I don't understand. Watching these debates, Dr Tuggy's videos and videos on the Biblical Unitarian channel, were extremely helpful in giving me confidence to trust my instincts.