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Wannabe yapper talking about video games.
We need to talk about the Witcher 4 controversy...
CD Projekt Red had just released a brand new trailer for the Witcher 4, and it was met with some controversy on the internet. Let's discuss what its about and what the arguments are.
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I decided to give this game a try by watching a playthrough and I couldn't make past the fall of the chosen city. It is SO boring. A friend told me the ending and I had my confirmation that it is a waste of time. As someone who drew planty of fanarts and comics for this franchise this game is the final nail in the coffin. Now I don't even want to finish fanarts I had in progress for DA2 😩
i really enjoyed playing dragon age origins back in the day, along with inquisition, the Veilguard doesn't even qualify as a dragon age game, BG3 is a FAR better option than this slop.
Yeah I agree, it’s a hobby that is looked down upon. When you grow up and still game, I feel like many of us have our lives together and do it as a fun past time. There’s nothing wrong with vegging on a game for a day here and there. As long as you set your priorities straight and chase what you want in life first.
They had to nerf her so she can be a protagonist they always had an issue on how would they implement her more in the secuels the devs said that before they left the studio so they hired a dude that wants to punch gamers with his spouse 😂
They still hire based on merit which makes it harder for talentless ideologues with no passion for the medium to infiltrate. I'd say that's one of the main reasons.
I am still looking for that love and immersion I had when I first played Morrowind on xbox back in 2003. No game has captured me like that game did. BTW Morrowind on steam is going for $8.00, 60% off.
Octopath Traveler 2 was an instant classic. For whatever reason, it gets absolutely no buzz or praise, while derivative and mediocre JRPG entries get glazed by the general community.
Because you’re wasting hours a day on something that has no positive benefit whatsoever on your life. “It relieves stress!” Yeah so does exercising. Guess which of those makes you fat.
Red Sky? Wait, but Fallout 76 Skyline Valley also uses this feature. So did they use same asset in two games. Christ that's lazy.
No it going to be gay and woke
So Taash is a Necrophobic? 😂
The modern audience are children with no emotional control 😅
Give us 90 or above or you won't get a free code 😅
I give no leeway to a company that fumbled the ball so drastically at the CP2077 launch and lied to customers. Yes, they earned back the good will for that game over time, but that fumble meant that anything they do is worth questioning. I am not only skeptical, I am uninterested in this game. For me, "The Witcher" series began with Witcher 1, and ended with Witcher 3. Whatever this is, until further information is out and the company *PROVES* that it is good, it's just fanfiction at an incredibly high cost that I am not willing to help bankroll. At least not yet, and possibly not ever. The people who are baffled at the lack of hype from normal customers are themselves baffling.
i will not be hearing out the crybabies on this one. i'm excited.
Witcher 4 is happening years after the books. Thu mutagens and the trial of the grasses itself were already imperfect at the time Geralt undertook it in Kaer Morhen. There are other schools though. There are also sorcerers who could help Ciri. Ciri has knowledge from other universes as well. Among those three, I feel like it would be plausible to find a way for safer trials. As long as the writers acknowledge that it is unusual, I'm fine with Ciri or even other female witchers.
I think people misinterpret IMPROBABLE with IMPOSSIBLE. It is NEVER stated that it's IMPOSSIBLE for females and/or adults to become witchers, it's just highly unlikely. I sincerely cannot understand why something IMPROBABLE happening is such an issue for some people. I also think that people tend to forget the hand that fed them. When did CDPR disappoint in the narrative department? As broken as CP77 and Witcher 3 to an extent were, they're both masterpieces that just needed more time to develop. Most of the team that worked on cyberpunk is working on the Witcher IV. That said and the fact that CDPR, even though they botched and lied in regards to CP77, they delivered their promisse to finish CP77 and deliver an amazing game. That's why it's a bit outlandish to me that people cannot give a single grain of benefit of doubt to CDPR, even more so now because they need to make sure to deliver an S tier product in order to maintain/regain their credibility and trust.
If this is an attempt at a straight substitution of Ciri for Geralt it is NOT going to work. Hopefully they will be far more nuanced than that. The bulk of the W3 crowd have left CDPR including the writers and creative director, Maher was only hired in 2023 and the ridiculous things he's been saying are worrying. The jury is still out of course but I am NOT liking what I've seen so far.
Are they all woke now? What’s Maher been saying
I'm just sad that they decided to make Ciri ugly. the game isn't canon so idc that she's a witcher.
Yes i am not happy because my girlfriend face start to look like the new Ciry.I think i am going to break up with her.How much did Cd projekt red pays you.
It is premature to be outraged over ciri's appearance and stuff. Really shallow reasoning to get upset. But I do feel they're heading in the wrong direction as it makes no sense for her to be a full witcher. she's already superior to witchers.
The two things I don't like about Witcher 4 is that Ciri looks like 40 year old botoxed up woman and that one dev that can't understand that antagonizing your consumers is not a good thing.
iI mean yes, there was maybe a 3 out of 10 chance 100 years ago, sure but with time so things change.... if you look back in time, 100 years ago it was 99% certain that you died of a fever-.-
The game looks good, it's just like every other first trailer, meaning that it usually seems a little unfinished. The only reason the process doesn't work on girls (cliff notes version) is because magic/science takes time, the magic first worked on boys. So, lots of dead little boys don't cause that much of a fuss in the medieval world. A bunch of dead little girls causes more of a fuss. In the books there is famine, war, and stuff like that so women are _not dead,_ make more babies, and help the population in the context of that world. The mutagen would work on girls if they used as many girls as boys, but due to girls having more cultural value, they opted out of that. It's like... right there in the lore, it says it in the context of the story viewed from the perspective of the characters. Anyone could take five minutes of a Google search and find that out. It's not a mystery, not a controversy, and not a thing to get all worked up about. But anyway, folks are just making hate bait and cashing in. And the fans have concerns, but it's not that she's a girl or that there could be girl witchers. The concern from actual fans is about _why_ would one of the most powerful humanoids (Ciri) who can teleport, and fight hella good, is pretty much half a Witcher and a half already subject herself to the process when that doesn't seem all that necessary. That's the issue that needs ironing out, not the... other stuff. That other stuff is just noise for haters to hate on. But you know, the answer would be interesting to know. Anyway... take care! Just know it's not really both sides sort of thing or a misunderstanding _some_ folks are either just lying for the coin or being wilfully ignorant on purpose.
Dude literally said Ciri can survive trials of grass because she is female and middle-aged now but forgot she is elder blood and the strongest character in the witcher universe
Elder blood lol, God Witcher 3 sucked cock.
So Ciri is a witch. If she can do ‘Witcher’ stuff it doesn’t make sense. She technically should do witch stuff. But logic escapes people I guess.
...WHAT?
That was only one of the possible endings.You shills coveniently leave that Tidbit out along with the knowledge to make new witchers was lost and the remaining Witchers are the last of them.
It's good that the fans jumped the gun from day one. That jumping of the gun sent a clear signal to CDPR as soon as humanly possible. And the devs heard it. At the end of the day, all that fans have the ability to do is to signal. They signaled. I bet the executives that funded Concord would have loved a signal before they spent all of that money on that disaster.
I'm Polish. If you actually read the Witcher books in Polish there is no mention of any female Witchers in the novels, so as far as I'm concerned there is no Witcher 4. PERIOD.
there's also no mention they can't/don't exist. Just because kaer morhen, wasn't successful, with however x attempts they did, (which was never numbered), they never said it couldn't be done. Just that they didn't get a result. Ciri is also far from an ordinary human being, and other witcher schools performs the trials differently. If only 30% of males survive, and the number is lower for females, then it's not too far fetched to think they didn't test many females at kaer morhen, given the herbs and mutagens needed are exceptionally rare and hard to gather, but we are talking about the literal most powerful being. Like. Really? This is the hill you wanna fight on?
@@Cat-ix6jy Jestem Polakiem i to jest nasza tradycja, nie wasza. (I am Polish and this is OUR lore you are talking about NOT yours.) Polish defend what is ours.
@@twofarg0ne763 What are you even talking about? You didn't create the lore one bit, and you have not a single thing from the book that goes against what I said. Deal with it. You're not the author. In fact, the author refers to Ciri consistently as witcher. You didn't even read it, did you? Cuz you did a poor job interpreting anything if so. This game is also made by polish people funnily enough. Yet, here you're crying as if you own the rights.
@@Cat-ix6jy Obviously an American. You understand nothing.
@@twofarg0ne763 dude, you're having a brain aneurism. The game is also made by polish people. You can't claim its your story, when you're not the writer. That holds literally zero value, beyond you confirming you lack intelligence and you hate women, for literally zero reason. Congratulations. Right now, cd project holds more power, than you ever will. The game will sell well, and there's nothing you can do about it. So take that with you.
If you think thats what the average woman in their 30's look like you need to get out more lmaooo
Another tard
Ciri is a bad ass character. Playing as a new Witcher could be great, yes. But Im looking forward to it. I think some people are just jumping to hate the decision because of how much content has had it rammed down our throats that a female main be shoved down our throats. But this one works for continuity.
do girls play as guys in video games ? like gta do girls pick a guy character? i aint never really seen it but im sure it a thing ? ill play as a girl if you dont get a choice like claor redfield or tomb raider. but if i have a choice na i dunn wanna be a grl
Stop calling women girls
@ thts tough one. some womeeeeen dont like bein clled tht. they take offence. so before ur lose temper for no reason . ask urself " am i gettin aggressive for zero reason " hold up. yes u are. i forgive you tho . some times i come off as a jerk also so i get it
@@rowdyriter so u would call a 30 year old woman a girl get a life u weird boy
@@rowdyriter so in your mind a 30 year old woman is called a girl u probably still in school u weird boy
Well dude this company is definetly not perfect but release of Cyberpunk was forced by investors they fixed bugs and mede game amazing it just took some more time and with the DLC that came it is one of the best new games that are out there
A good ammount of people criticising this (obvious) choice havent even played the games or read the books and are just talking out frustration with their logic that "women protagoinst in 2024=woke, propaganda, DEI, karen" and whatever they can throw in. Soon enough people will realise it's not only about the studios and devs that might throw some woke shit here and there but also about the gamers complaining at every possible thing and generally not liking anything they are offered.
Yeah really irritating to see this anti-woke hysteria grip the gaming sphere
yup
I didn't play any of The Witcher games because I couldn't make my character a female. (I'm a dude by the way) But I'm definitely getting this game. But for future reference I do believe the game should make it so people can make their character whoever they want to be. That's how you make most people happy. But I do plan on getting this game,
@@ClaytonMorgan-xi1so Generally yeah, however Witcher is best known for having developed and complex characters with their own stories. Perhaps they could used a customizable protagonist like Mass effect's Shepard or V from Cyberpunk that are still their own established histories
What is so special about established lore? It gets made up and remade so what? Nothing important changes. Careful boys, many forces out here wanting you to think their way.
Retards screaming woke at everything needs to stop
Witcher 1 was closer to the source material than 2, 3 or the series with Henry Cavill. He's skinny and ugly in the books. And Ciri is bisexual in the books.
Funny pattern i noticed: Almost if not all reactions from countries where English isn't first language have been so far excited and stoked for what goes next with TW4, almost like folks from that 🦅 *specific* 🦅 part of the world likes to cause unneeded chaos, i've seen German, French, Polish, Arab, India, China, Japan and even my country Indonesia all are overjoyed with the news.
Except wouldn't you know it? Almost all concerns for these woke garbage titles end up being exactly what people thought it was.
@j-dawg4774 Well, you might be right but Phantom Liberty ends up being a masterpiece with classic CDPR trope of grey morals ambiguity, have you played Cyberpunk? If they cared so much for Cyberpunk as if it's their only IP, Witcher would get double the effort knowing them.
Non English Countries don't matter. Nobody wants to play as a "her"...Garelt is the best character. It's a no for me
Not what I've seen. I've seen polish and Slavic girls being pissed about breaking the lore. The people that are able to read the books in their mother tongue say unequivocally that this is indeed against the lore. Something i already knew myself. But the ones that argue it doesn't break the lore are from English speaking countries. It shouldn't be a surprise however. The lore master for this project named Cian Maher, am Irish guy, has only been working for cdpr since April of 2023. And the guy defended the Netflix series, which broke canon left and right, as well a spewed vitriol over people being upset about retcons in the rings of power series. So basically he's the worst kind of guy to put in charge of fidelity to lore. Finally that guy, Cian Maher, is as woke as the come. Worked as a journalist for TheGamer for 4 years maybe, before briefly becoming a "games consultant" just like the sweet baby inc people, and then joined the cdpr team. The guy spends all day on Twitter talking about how much he hates gamers for the last 5 or 6 years. It's actually unhinged. So yeah, no doubt that this superfluous move to make ciri go thru an impossible trial in order to get inferior abilities was all about politics, and there's sure to be more woke content. You have to be insane to expect anything better out of the studio at this point.
@AhmadWahelsa Crazy how the writer for the lore of Witcher 4 though is now slandering and insulting gamers, calling them fascists. Not a good look.
Calm down, people. I'll answer a few questions that I learned from the game's developers during interviews. First, this is a pre-rendered trailer and that's not how the game will look. The action takes place several dozen years later. And not 3 years or 5 years. Because there are such rumors. And no one has confirmed the exact time yet. This is the beginning of Ciri's adventure before she became a witcher. The first of three new parts. Where all the endings from Witcher 3 will be included. And the first of three parts will show the path that made her become a witcher. The grass trial itself. And the lynx school. It is not explained where and during the game the trailer is placed in the game. It could just as well be placed at the very end of the game. The grass trial itself is like injecting testosterone into the body. It allows for the acceleration of muscle tissue growth while being physically active. This changes the psyche and appearance. Just see what women look like who lift weights and stick to a proper diet. That's why I have no problem with the appearance because of the mutation that affects her. Geralt will appear in the role he takes over from Vesimir. And there will be romances.
Ya but now u gotta play as a bisexual woman. I don’t like dealing with romance stuff when u play as a woman it feels wierd.
Ciri isn't a real Witcher she's a mage not a Witcher CdProjekt Red hired Sweet baby inc. to woke and uglified the next Witcher Trilogy I say we boycott the next Witcher trilogy.
Ciri can use magic but she's not a mage/sorceress - she renounced it in the books. She's a source and a trained witcher (with no mutations but still augmented with accelerants).
She’s not a mage. Have you read the books? Have you even played the games? You do not know what you are talking about.
Ahhh, woke, sweet baby, agenda, WOKE, non buy-nary, uglified female, ahhhh
@arrebarre900 she's clearly using magic in the trailer not just witcher signs, her renouncing something in the books doesn't mean SHIT to the game lore
They fucked it up for sure but Skyrim is still the best game ever,even games like red dead which outsold Skyrim doesnt come close to Skyrim.
If you take a character model who is a 10 and you remodel her so that she's an 8 she may still be beautiful but nonetheless uglification has occured. The thing is the artists and people who had oversight on the artists knew exactly what they were doing. Somebody at that studio said make her uglier than she was. I think we can all recognise the pattern of behaviour by now.
If you say that she is uglyin trailer, then you must be blind :D She looks stunning in trailer. And I dont even say, that she travel the World and battle with monster(not go shiping:D). Haters gona hate.........
@Martin-nc7jg The issue isn't what she looks like in the trailer. The issue is the change that occurred between TW3 and TW4 and that could have only come about if someone in that studio said, "Make her uglier." If Ciri looked like that but 10 years younger in The previous games there wouldn't be an issue. If they had taken the Ciri model from TW3 and aged her ten years there wouldn't be an issue either. The issue is the change. That change has come about because of people who hate women and hate white women in particular.
Yea, she looks really off in this trailer.
Dude, I'm almost 40 now and I can assure you - I don't look nearly as good as I did in my 20s :)
You seem to have forgotten what aging is. She's not remotely ugly. Just older.
Did you delete my comment?
Most likely your comment was shat on by youtube's automated review thingy. Naughty words usually trigger it.
@@seeinred I can't remember any.
Yes, I'm afraid I did.
@@Rapunzel879 Well if you can remember what the comment was about, I'll believe you deleted it. 😂
I don't delete comments.
The reasons people are "jumping the gun" is that they don't want another series to went the way of "current thing" and turn into shit. And there were recently several things from CDPR that point out to them committing to the clown fiesta that is real world socio-political garbage. Such as subsidizing young game developers - but only female ones. This is an occasion where you rather be vocal and over-react to something, than to stay quiet.
Not to mention that CDPR, redeemed as it may be now, very much butchered release of Cyberpunk2077 specifically BECAUSE all of these executive decisions, no matter how talented developers were or what they thought of such idea.
CDPR has had many worrying trends within recent years. The Witcher 4 will be the true test to see if they've fallen.
@@Atmux Honestly I won't focus on the design for Ciri much sure she looks more rugged but honestly being a Witcher would likely do that to someone have you seen Eskel and Lambert they relatively mundane compared to Geralt.
CDPR said picking Ciri will allow them to fight sexism in the Witcher world 🤮. I can already see the marketing: "Join Ciri as she topples the patriarchy and fights for Queer rights."
That's not what they said. They said that would be a theme that they can explore with more focus, which is nothing new. These are themes also in the books
You are reffering to Rock, Paper, Shotgun article which puts their own agenda on everything. The title is bullshit and doesn't represent what has actualy been said in the interview. Look it up.
I have countless hours in video games, from middle school to now as a junior in college I have spent the large majority of my free time playing video games. I also played college football for 2 years, played three sports through middle school and high school competing in state for throwing junior and senior year as well as many football awards, I graduated valedictorian and have over a 3.8 GPA as an engineering major in college, I worked an internship in the oil field last summer and have another internship next summer. Not only do I prove that video gamers aren’t all lazy bums, I attribute a lot of my success to the skills and lessons learned while playing games.
What's the difference between ubisoft and bethesda?
Nothing at this point 😭
Only thing Bethesda got is their own "can it run doom?" status with Skyrim. Skyrim on the Samung fridge.
Meanwhile the "normal" people spend hours every night watching silly television shows or a bunch of dudes chasing a ball on grass field... 😄
2:18 Often men.