วีดีโอ

It’s still there

One of my favorite traits of Orion in this movie is how, despite his reckless tendencies, his always trying (even if he fails) to take accountability and reach a middle ground. He tries to defend Elita from Drakwing, then later accepts her terms for tagging along. He tries to tell Sentinel that D had nothing to do with them getting in the race. It’s those early hints of a leader who knows how to recognize his faults even if he didn’t exactly know how to fix them yet

I am sorry, I only watched a few episodes of G1 Transformers, but what I consider the peak of Transformers is Beast Wars, specially the episode Code of Hero.

Orion Pax truly was a reckless rule breaker in selfless carer until the whole Cybertron things and much more and revealing no problem as a traitor his best friend D16 become a leader of the Decepticons and how to become Optimus Prime with so much for him that he just didn't want to see it until it was too late was pushed into the darkness I couldn't see his emotions

While this video is well made, I'm gonna have to disagree with some of your points. 1. Orion does disregard D's wishes and is a bit reckless, but he is trying to help his friend have dreams of his own. He even gets him a Megatronus Prime decal because he knows about D's love of him. 2. Primus didn't grant Orion Pax the Matrix to "fix past mistakes". No, he was granted the Matrix to protect Cybertron from the Quintessons and D, who just betrayed him, and more importantly, was gonna KILL MILLIONS because he hates Sentinel so much that he genuinely thinks those who dont agree with him are supporters of Sentinel. 3. Like MrAwesomeness360 points out, Just because you can understand where D comes from doesn't mean hes right. Other than that, great video. I can get how you see things your way, but I just wanted to point out these for others who see it another way.

Get over yourself

Orion Pax was ‘Chosen’ to be Optimus Prime. D-16 ‘chose’ to become Megatron.

Optim-istic Prime

So in regards to Hemsworth as Orion’s voice, while he doesn’t want to copy Cullen’s Optimus due to orion being a new interpretation over the traditional Optimus we see. Towards the end you can see him slowly emulate Cullen’s gravitas, in a way he sounds like a younger Cullen.

Remember if they claim it, it’s cannon.

Heh, i just commented on the optimus video and its basically the thesis statement of this one

Great job on the video, man. I love what TF One is doing

Megatron is a victim of the system raging against oppression all the way until he goes to murder an already beaten Sentinel, then at that moment he becomes a perpetrator of the cycle.

This film is a cautionary tale about how corrupt systems of government create the monsters that they fear, but also the revolutionaries who right wrongs. D16 and Orion eventually evolve into the people that they hide on the inside. Orion didn't create Megatron...D16 finally obtained what he needed to Transform into him.

This is how you write hot rod as a character. But they just slapped it on optimus which is fine.

Optimus is up there with the GOATS of hero’s Batman, Superman, Spider-Man and Wonder Woman ❤ 🔥

In Transformers Prime it is noted when Optimus is with AlfaTrion before he becomes Optimus 2.0. Alfa Trion states that "smokescreen will learn to be a prime just as you one did" (Im paraphrasing). Intending that even when Optimus Prime was given the matrix of leadership. He still needed to learn to be a prime.

O'frying pax

"Good men mean well , we just don't end up doing well"

Awesome video analysis. I really love this version of Optimus Prime. One of the best written iterations I've seen. Chris Hemsworth's voice acting was a pleasant surprise since I was quite skeptical of his role, but the movie proved me wrong. He was phenomenal.

0:20 Copyright bullshit how about they make better marketing teams instead of worrying about others people content that you put your heart into it

I like how all of Orion's selfish actions in the movie also stem from a selfless place - bro is constantly just trying to make things better for people and the miners, to beat the cogless racism; breaking into the archives, saving jazz, running the iacon race, tracking down the matrix - none of them are actions with selfish intentions

orion for me embodies the right for citizen who always question and thought deeply about the ruler of his kin while d16 is a gear in the system just blindly putting trust in things he think is good honestly if d16 didn't go with pax discovering the truth he would never question his existent in the mines but when he knows the truth he's a gear that broke off from the cycles and decided to no longer follow anybody but his own self desire and being right which compare to real life world leader who have the same mindset already said alot about what megs about to do in the future movies(crossing my finger on the trilogy happening)

Paramount striking your vid when they need the marketing because they can’t do it on they’re own is crazy

Orion feels a lot like Hot Rod

Something I just noticed is that when D-16 fires his fusion cannon and mortally wounds Orion, his arm goes wildly upwards, as if he can't control the recoil of his weapon. It's such a small detail, but it has some vast implications for his character. He's not in control of his own power, he's not able to trust himself, he's not-- he's not as strong as he thinks he is. And that moment of realization is what sets his fall into Megatron in motion. For all of his life, D-16 has been concerned with the consequences of his actions. He constantly tries to figure out what will happen after something happens (i.e. "If we survive this, I will kill you", "We are going to be demoted", etc.) But the one thing I don't think he could ever predicting is that he might hurt his only real friend. He pleads and tries to understand how Orion could have done that, but he just... he just can't. And that, more than anything, breaks him. He's always been pulling Orion out of trouble, always thinking through what happens after "Another Orion Pax Master Plan", and seeing his friend not only throw himself in danger, but throw himself in danger at D-16 for someone as terrible as Sentinel Prime? That has to feel like the ultimate betrayal, but also the ultimate failure on D-16's part. He couldn't protect his friend from themselves. This, more than anything, cements his radicalization. "I'm done saving you" isn't just something he says to Orion, it's something he has to say to himself. He has tried his best to understand consequence, and he just can't anymore. So he gives up. He becomes reckless, because he has nothing to lose-- not his position in society, not his dead idol and the false Prime who killed him, and not his friend. Speaking of Orion, I appreciate that he is so selfish, so reckless, so impulsive, because that just makes the wisdom and humility of Optimus Prime understandable. Optimus Prime is everything D-16 would have wanted in a Prime, but D-16 is gone. Orion Pax may have looked up to Megatron with his incendiary and impulsive rhetoric, but Orion Pax is dormant. Orion was impulsive because he was tired of the system telling him what he could be and what he could do, but he never internalized the same level of self-hatred as D-16. Both were abused by the system, but one was able to grow past this, and the other was consumed by it. The two are perfect foils for each other in their character arcs.

I'm glad that you brought up Prince of Egypt. While watching T1, saw more than a few similarities between the two movies.

Chris said, "You think I'll blow it, oh boy I'm finna fix that real quick."

The only motive we know about why Orion Pax breaks the rules is that he wants to help others. From the moment we saw D-16 he had clear me and mine mindset a if it is not him or his friend then than is not his problem.

The one thing I find slightly 'off' is the constant usage of 'selfish' with Orion Pax; mainly because yes he is, but it isn't a core defining trait with the bot. Yes in his optimism and exuberance, he can be selfish in not seeing the consequences of the downsides of his plans and actions have on others; absolutely agree there. However his very actions were born from a selfless desire, it was always to prove that ANY, and EVERY Cybertronain could be more than their 'station' in life, Cogless or equipped with one. He wanted to find the Matrix to restore the flow of Energon so they didn't need to mine for it anymore, and their needed energy source wasn't a rationed resource anymore. Some of the video's talking points seem to frame Orion as a glory seeker for himself; albeit with good intentions for everyone else; I feel this is erronous, and misunderstood due to the 'over-focus' on the 'selfish' aspect of Orion's persona which comes off as more of a surface thing. This version of Orion reminds me of Hot Rod, brash and immature, but with a good Spark; but even at his most 'selfish in the eyes of others' the intention is always in service to others more than himself. Now am I dismissing he doesn't have personally selfish moments or goals? No; I just feel the 'surface selfishness' is constantly harped on when there's a deeper level to his motives. Now let me be frank, yes good intention doesn't always result in good outcomes, nor should you still step on others. D-16 did suffer for Orion's hubris, and that is well documented and discussed in the video and is a good example of where Orion's good intentions were ill-thought out, and got someone else hurt alongside him. Also I wouldn't even throw in Elita's firing to Orion's actions; that was Dark Wing being a prick; despite the mine collapsing which was no fault of anyone; Dark Wing who could have critically surveyed the situation and realized it was a win because nobody died and thus they could have a full mining force get back to it despite the collapse. Instead Dark Wing does what he does best, putting 'miners' down despite he didn't need to. After all this guy instead of taking D-16 and Orion Pax to Sentinel's personal maintenance facility, dropped them into the Lvl 50 garbage chutes because he was pissed off they cost him a spot in the race. He literally disobied his leader's orders to fulfill his own bullying tendencies, so Elita's firing is just another sign of his being a prick than Orion's actions; Elita just blamed Orion because of the protocol break, instead of taking into account WHO dished out the order. Regarding how his actions resonate with D-16, I'm again torn because the video almost makes it sound like Orion's actions lead to the birth of Megatron directly; perhaps to some degree but very, VERY minor. D-16 is a repressed bot holding in a lot of rage against the system oppressing him, but when the truth is discovered, suddenly he lets out everything, his rage, as well as his own well-kept selfish behavior. Everything is 'I' and 'Me', showcasing how he views everything affecting him, without much thought on how others are affected, the fact he blames Orion for bringing them to the surface, and revealing the TRUTH... D-16 would have rathered rotted to scrap in servitude if it meant his 'peace' wasn't disturbed. Once he gets power through a T-Cog, his selfish behavior escalates. While Orion's words to him before the fusion shot are indeed BADLY worded, D-16's actions are still his own; because as badly worded as it was, Orion was right, if D-16 continued on his vengeful, *selfish* path he would become like Sentinel but just in a different coat of paint. D-16 was too enraptured of his own needs for revenge, he murdered his own brother, and doubled down on taking down EVERYONE in his way, innocent or not. Upon being given the power to choose their fate, D-16 gave into his rage, and worst traits, while Orion began to learn to correct his own bad traits and improve his better ones. D-16 is honestly the more 'selfish' of the two bots and just hid it better in the first act; but I do agree Orion Pax DOES indeed have selfish qualities that lessen as the movie goes on and he realizes he needs to think more long term than in the short-term, or let his excitment at the 'endgoal' oversee how he might be stepping on others to get to it. Great video overall despite my nitpick I probably went overboard goin on about. I do agree with the thematics of Orion Pax having a more meaningful 'growth' into the hero we know, which includes giving him more flaws to overcome. In a way they took Hot Rod's rushed journey in Transformers the Movie 1986 and perfected that journey here in Transformers: One.

I love this good work

In my opinion the best dinamic between hero and villain is when they're both creations of himself

This is too good stuff

The PERFECT belated birthday gift! 🥳🎉

YOOOOO

It’s funny because paramount should be paying you.

I would also add that Orion can take blame for breaking protocol/saving Jazz all he wants, Elita got fired because from the perspective of upper management, she cannot control her employee. So naturally she gets the boot.

Paramount must really want their most recognizable brand to fail

Peter Cullen never voiced the original Orion Pax. Hemsworth said that he could've sounded more like Cullen, but the director said no, because his character hadn't *earned* the right to sound like Peter Cullen. This is a far cry from the Netflix War For Cybertron Trilogy which is chock full of unearned moments.