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Marika’s body count is insane atp

Really cool to hear an alternate lore theory. I think sometimes the interpretationd put forth by Smough, Vaati are treated as gospel when they arent. Cant say I agree with the conclusions you come to but i agree there is more evidence for them than i would have expected

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say something absolutely nuts. Godwyn is the child of Marika and Radagon, and Radagon Pre-dates Marika and likely melded Marika as the Crucible's inheritance as a Fell God. Godwyn basically looks like a perfectly blond Radagon and Radagon is specified in game of being of giants blood. What do we know about Giants? That's right, they predate humans. This ultimately means something even more insane: Messmer is Radagon and the Gloam Eyed Queen's son. And it's why Marika took out BOTH of his eyes and replaced one with an Iris of Grace, because Messmer had one Red storm eye like the Fire Giant and one Purple eye like Melina does too. Now this leaves left the reason why she even did this in the first place, i'm under the belief that the Hornsent were previously led by the Gloam Eyed Queen and this is who you see depicted all throughout Enir Ilim with the statue holding a child. Now onto my next insane take 💀 Melina is the daughter to the Gloam Eyed Queen and Marika, via fleshmelding of some sort as a seed into a tree. It explains why she has one Gloam Eye and one Gold Eye. This, would explain so much. The Betrayal, why Marika was even in good standings with the Hornsent at all instead of being stuffed into jars like all the other bloodflesh monstrosities with pretty female faces and long blonde hair. The Gloam Eyed Queen was in love with Marika... Even more so, Radagon was the Gloam Eyed Queen's Lord and the events of Marika's betrayal versus the Gloam Eyed Queen made him switch sides, probably unwillingly, hence why Marika treats him so non existant and calls him the Leelhound of the Golden Order. Now here's the kicker, Marika probably found out what the Gloam Eyed Queen's next step was for the gate of divinity and it probably wasn't good, i'm betting she was gonna sacrifice her firstborn AKA Messmer. Marika then steals Messmer and forces Radagon to work for her if she ever wants to see him again. (It would explain the virgin abductor and why rykard who made them was so obsessed with them) Now, ????? (I have no suggestions what actually happened in this war yet), Marika successfully overthrows and forces Maliketh to eat her (yes, I know almost factually this is what happened) causing his addiction to Deathroot (Marika is Rune of Life, Gloam Eyed Queen is literally the Rune of Death) and started spreading FROM Farum Azula. She then forces Radagon to become her lord, and makes it so that Radagon's body gets inhabited by the Fell God and melds with him to truly become a God. When she stepped through the gate of Divinity, she essentially Melded with the Crucible and it's why Miquella needed an Omen body for his Lord's Soul to do the same and it's why he previously chose Malenia because she could just make her bloom to a full possessed rot goddess to fulfil the Secret Rite Scroll The SECRET RITE SCROLL SPECIFIES THAT A LORDS SOUL WILL NEED A VESSEL SO THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE MIQUELLA DID HIS THING, THE LITERAL DIVINE GATEWAY ACTIVATION PROCESS SPECIFIES MIQUELLA DID NOT DO SOMETHING NEW. I have solved Marika and Radagon, this is it. Nobody can contradict a single thing i said. Now.... the only question remains. The Gloam Eyed Queen, Melina and THE RUNE OF DEATH IS UNBOUND! THE ECLIPSE IS STILL COMING AND THATS WHY MIQUELLA FAILED AT CASTLE SOL.

Will it will get cancelled

I often wonder if Melina and Messmer are children of Marika and the Flame God of the Fire Giants. So tied to fire, supposed to be Older than Radahn, explains the red hair ... It lines up with Marika's conquest of the Mountaintops.

....holy SHIT my guy I think you tangentially cracked *why* Radagon married Rennala--to give Marika the opportunity to sire more non-Omen children 😮 I'm suddenly thinking that the Great Rune that was left with Rennala could have been a hint towards that answer. Another point in favor of Godfrey as definitely being the Omen Twins' father and Godwyn being such an outlier: Godfrey is *deeply* tied to the Crucible's primal, feral energies--the very same that cause the manifestation of horns and other bestial features to manifest in the Omen (and the Hornsent, AND the Misbegotten)--which makes him a prime connection point for the energies behind the curse to trace through. The DLC also makes it clear that the parentage sets or generations of Demigod children are *not* as distinct and seaparated by time as we may have initially thought. With Messmer and Melina seemingly being from the Radika pairing but also the first of Marika's children, and Messmer still being active in the Lands Between late enough to have been battle buddies with *Radahn*, things are clearly WAY messier than the base game made it seem. You 100% got me, man: either Godwyn was secretly afflicted and it was hidden, or he is NOT Godfrey's son.

I want to know the difference between Henry Cavil and Keanu Reeves. Both are loved by the fans, but Keanu maintains a workable relation with hollywood. Henry seems to be hated by hollywood.

In another life, HBO picked up the Witcher and did i't faithfully

Went into this thinking there’s no way you’re gonna change my mind and I stand corrected. I can see the theory

The Immaculate Conception of Godwyn the Golden. That would make Godwyn a Christ figure, and Marika a Mary figure. But whereas Mary accepts her sons sacrifice to save the world, Marika would sacrifice the world to protect her son. A false Madonna.

I agree that Godwyn is likely not a child of Godfrey, but I think that by the time that Marika's invasion of the shadow lands occurs, morgott and mohg should already have been born. There's plenty of characters referencing connections to the Cathar family being involved with Mesmer's massacre, such as Rellana being Renalla's sister, or Commander Gaius being allies with radahn. This indicates that Radagon and Renalla have already had kids, and at least Radahn has reached military aid, which is long after the birth of Morgott and Mohg, who would definitely be older than Radahn by then. So it seems like their Omen curse occurred long before Mesmer's invasion, and thus I don't think Granny Hornsent could have been the one to curse the omen twins. I think it's most likely that they were omen simply from being born of Godfrey, one who's affiliated with the crucible, which is what makes me think that Godwyn must have been born some other way. I do also think the secret to his birth is a big reason why Ranni specifically chose him for the target of the night of the black knives . . . well that, or it's because of a super convoluted miquella theory I have where miquella made a fake miquella from Godwyn's corpse to trick Mohg into using to open the path to the shadowlands, but that's besides the point.

Godwyn is the child of Queen Marika and Patches. I have a source! The source is that I made it the f up!

Godywn was the oldest pre-curse pre-Marika taking power kid. Prob still Godfrey and Marika’s kid. The old crone says he was to be a martyer and the first born is likely the first to die. So it’s possible the Golden Order (and the removal of the rune of death) was done by Marika to prevent his death. As someone who witnessed the genocide of her people, I imagine the thought of her own soon dying was too much.

Mequila's hair is golden too. And we are quite sure he is not Godfrey's son. But the naming methodology still towers over the hair colors. Did Miyazaki do this intentionally?

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Why can no one read or say "adaptation" anymore. I hear "adaption" more and more. It's not a word.

I Consider Finger Reader Enia, as the grandmother. Or perhaps Marika's Grand Dam? A link to Ancestor worship?

Based grandma.

The reason Godrick, Godfrey, and Morgott have white bright hair and not blonde hair is because they don’t have golden status.

I'm wondering, what if Messmer and Melina are the children of Radagon and the Gloam Eyed Queen?

Makes sense. Since Godfrey is human, his and Marika's children are humans struck with Hornsent curse - Omen. Radagon is a vassal of the Greater Will, his and Marika's children are all related to other Outer Gods, Rot, Fell God flame, Abyssal Serpent, etc. Only Godwyn was supposedly a perfect child, so much so that while Marika was shown time and time again to be quite cold, calculating, and merciless to others, not really caring about fates of those around her, it was Godwyn's death that made her do such drastic actions as breaking _reality_ _itself_ as that's what Elden Ring is supposed to represent. Marika basically loses one child and shatters her own world, and then tells all her other children to become the next god or perish. Sounds like very different attitudes, that wouldn't make much sense if Godwyn was just a "regular" child of Marika, cursed with some other random aspect of reality. She wouldn't care _that_ much about him if he wasn't special in some way.

If the curse theory really plays a part in the story, Godwyn could indeed been born earlier than the said curse given that Godfrey has been with Marika before she ascended to godhood, because That would mark her betrayal towards the hornsent thus came the Omen curse. If Godwyn is Godfrey’s son. Which also means that Radagon is already with Renalla even when the Hornsent is still around because Radahn seems to have met Messmer before. However if Godfrey became Elden lord / Marika’s husband only after Marika reach godhood through the sacrificial massacre of Hornsent then that would mean the golden lineage is younger than the Carian siblings . If we have taken the aforementioned possibility in which Godfrey knew Marika only after she is a God ,and that , the theory of the video is true in which the Omen curse only works when marika is with another men that is not herself. Because whenever she tries to have progeny with her other half Radagon they are always afflicted with a more special curse. Also not to forget that this Omen curse would come only after the crusade. That would then beg the question who then is Godwyn’s father? Or if marika is even his mother? Miquella has golden hair but he has his own butterfly signifying his curse like messmer, melina and malenia. Godwyn on the other hand, is said to be perfect. Given that formsoft did not intentionally leave out his butterfly that indicates his curse or that they were gone after his death, if they follow by this theory. This lead me to an idea. Unless… Godwyn is an offspring between marika and the Elden beast or the Greater will? It might negate any curse afflicted on her or that she has Godwyn with greater will right before her betrayal. Before she met Godfrey. Is that The ultimate seduction? The only scion of the golden bough?😮

The idea of Marika doing everything she can since the beginning to hide and avoid the curses of her children aligns with this idea so well. Subbed!

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Doesn't really matter in tha context of tha video but I would call what Melina and Miquella are "emanations" of Marika/Radagon. If you look at old monotheistic writings they speak about God's emanations which are like 'pieces' of God that are distinct beings. I believe Marika's story is very much tha story of Yahweh (or more El, but I don't wanna get lost in tha weeds here lol)/Monotheism but personified.

This was my theory. Godwyn was of virgin birth. Marika was Mary and Godwyn analogous to Jesus. Godwyn was conceived through divine intervention (greater will). He was later killed (crucified) by his own people (Black knives = Numen = same people of Marika). Godwyn is the prince of death or a "dead" god while Jesus was known to be the "dead god" in some cultures and religion (He died and He has risen).

Rhe nox, the numen, are the new men that survived the jaring

So basically Mohg is bald

This MIGHT be unrelated but I’ve realised that we don’t find ANY of the fallen ruins from Farum Azula in the lands of shadow which implies that the land was sealed away BEFORE Farum Azula started to crumble.

What I want to know is why do Godrick and Morgott turn into less beefy versions of themselves after you beat them? Seems like a glaring thing that hasn't been explored in any depth, so far as I know.

Look my Friends Godwyn is Related to the Scadutree Avatar and he is also responsible for the Existence of the Misbegotten. While Grandam gave the Omen Curse to Marikas Children, the misbegotten where created by touching the Crucible…. Either the Crucible was a Melting Pod where all Life was once blended together or a Person that absorbed a huge amount of Lifeforms via his Shaman Flesh that could blend wonderfully with others. If we think about it, if Godwyn is from the Shaman Lineage and also the Golden Lineage that would explain why his BODY was needed to be alive so that it could blend harmoniously with Destined Death. Some things make more Sense now because the Cyst of the Prince of Death and the Visage of the Scadutree Avatar are similar. Also Godwyns Head if you look from behind is Shaped like a Sunflower 🌻

IMO Marika at one point was betrothed to the son that the Hornsent Grandam mentions having. Betrothals in ancient/medieval times were serious business and breaking one could result in decades of enmity between powerful houses. I think she broke that betrothal for Godfrey, who had a lot more to offer towards her goals. I'm also really not a fan of the theory that Marika is the product of the Hornsent butchering Shamans and putting the pieces into jars, I think she was just a clever and powerful Shaman that outsmarted the ruling powers at the time. Basically, I resent the notion that the Hornsent's hideous butchery was successful even one time out of a million.

Godwyn is a ancestor of Godefroy subsequently Godrick. If not him then who, Morgot, Mohg, some unnamed other child of golden lineage? Melina and Messmer were born to different father (probably Radagon) before Godfrey, but Godwyn could've been born in the window after Markia meet Godfrey but before The Omen curse, and maybe him turning into merman later in (un)life was the retroactive poetic fulfilment of the curse.

Godwyn's death blight looks like the omen bairn explosion thingy though

My guess is that Godwyn takes more after Marika than Godfrey, just as Morgot and Mohg seem to take more after Godfrey despite the Omen curse. My guess there is that Godwyn, Messmer, and Melina were born before the Omen Curse was forced upon the Golden Lineage and thus unaffected by it, as were all the children of the Marika-Radagon Rebis, presumably because Marika-Radagon is technically not Marika anymore and therefore exempt from the curse. In addition, I have a pet theory that Mesmer and Melina were both born tainted by the Fell-God of Fire, with Mesmer being further corrupted by the Abyssal Serpent and Melina bearing some vestige of the Gloam-Eyed Queen. My logic is that those two are Marika's first children, either by Godfrey or by herself, and that Radagon was created explicitly to force the corruptive elements of those gods out of her. Thus, Godwyn was born by Marika and Godfrey as a perfect demigod child, the first of the 'Golden Lineage', only for Morgott and Mohg to be afflicted by the Omen Curse placed upon Marika by the Hornsent, thus compelling her to send Mesmer off on his crusade and stopping her from having anymore children with Godfrey. After Radagon presumably purged himself of all known corruption through his children by Rennala, he reunited with Marika and they Miquella and Malenia, which I presume to embody both Marika's childish innocence and weakness and Marika-Radagon's final vulnerability to the influence of the Outer Gods, hence why Miquella is born physically weak, youthful and uncorrupted while Malenia is born vulnerable to the corruption of the Outer God of Rot and with Radagon's red hair but is otherwise free of any and all taint and is a monstrously powerful fighter. That's my personal head-canon anyways. All this talk of Godwyn being afflicted by the Omen Curse in some more subtle way is logical, but I prefer the idea that Godwyn is Marika's one truly perfect and pure child, hence why his death is supposedly the trigger for her to cause The Shattering and the subsequent civil war among the demigods, and to begin calling Godfrey and the Tarnished back from The Long March.

Popped up in my recommendations and I instaclicked because of the title and thumbnail screaming "family drama!" big letters XD Jokes aside, personally I never believed Godwyn to be Godfrey's son. And especially after the DLC and what hornsent Grandam says, plus the thing with Godwyn being the Golden Child, the perfect offspring of a God, he must have been born before Marika was cursed. All in all, I have no such mental strength to go through all descriptions and piece things together so I highly appreciate such videos like yours :) Food for thought.

not even a good headcanon, such need for attention, such desinterest in lore

So, incest. Godwyn is daddy to miquella and malenia. Because George RR Martin. Lol (but wait...)

I opened this video expecting some crackhead theory, but instead got a pretty believable and actually possible one, color me positively surprised

The idea that marika was put in a jar to become a god or something is based on a translation error. The word saint there refers to a good person not a divine being. Being put in a jar was meant to cleanse criminsls of their sins and make them into good people. They succeeded but the result wasn't a god marika but living jars like Alexander who are at their heart good people. Further I believe that godwyn was created not born. Marika's children were cursed so she turned to other methods. Methods of the numen, the nox, her people. Godwyn the golden is a golden tear. A mimic. A shapeshifter.

So was Miquella jarred too and that’s how he got St Trina? He was just also able to separate them like his mother? Or was Miquella two aspects of Marika she broke off into one being? Were they two separate beings Marika broke off and then joined together and then broke again? I get the theory but it’s puts a lot of question marks on Miquella and St Trina. Then again… she is called SAINT Trina?

Ok so just my thoughts but hair color CAN indicate someone heritage but it clearly isn't an end all be all considering Miquella and Rykard. So I feel that isnt super strong evidence to suggest Godwyn ISNT Godfrey's son. With the omen curse I feel like it's just completely backwards maybe the vengeful spirits part makes sense but the omen curse causing Morgott and Mohg to be omens doesn't to me. If the hornsent see divinity in horns, why would the old hornsent then curse Marika to have what she and her people would view to be Divine like offspring? Like would it just be to make Marika feel the constant presence of the hornsent through her own children? I mean I suppose I could somewhat see that but if I was to curse someone's children Id rather they DIDNT come out looking super divine.. but besides that did the hornsent even use the term "Omen" to describe those with horns? I thought that was something the was coined in the lands between due to the context we learn that Marika despises them and pretty much got everyone else to shun them? I could be wrong and I'm not crazy knowledgeable just throwing my 2 cents in because I do enjoy lore stuffs. Correct me if Im wrong of course.

it's said that those the Dung Eater defiles are cursed, their souls are unable to reach the erdtree and so they're trapped as vengeful spirits. I wonder if the reason nightmares of vengeful spirits terrify the Omen so much is because that's what is fated to happen to them when they die? The Golden Order and Greater Will hate the Omen and won't allow them into their afterlife, so when the Omen die their souls just wander forever, and their nightmares are a reminder of this fate. It explains the Dung Eater's connection to the Omen

I personally see the Golden Lineage as 3 parts of both Marika and Godfrey. Godfrey and Marika are connected to Morgott who signifies a humble and Regal demeanor They are connected to Mohg with a harsh, Brash and cruel nature as well And Godwyn as heroic and mysterious in their own right.

What if radagon is the nox’s lord of night and slaying godwyn was to make sure he did not supplant marika.

Bro the video was about Godwin you trailed off to everyone else except him

So who's the father ? 😢

Interresting theory,but i'm not sold on it. You said hair color have meaning,and it is true,but also naming conventions have meaning. Rennala+ Radagon = all children with the letter R. Marika + Radagon = names starting with M. Marika + Godfrey = Godwyn (and you can find a bit of it in Mohg and Morgott too,but it is not as obvious because they were cast away as not part of the Golden Lineage). Another thing is the Gandam's curse: The curse of the Omen shall strike thee down...In the form of the sacred beast's ire. His curse can be something intangible,it doesnt need to be a curse right from the start,but we can safely say that he is hella cursed in his current state. Maybe the curse was his unfortunate death ,the literall purest posterchild the Golden Order can imagine,loved by everyone,just to die a horrible death and spread his deathblight CURSE. His death hurt Marika way more than any other curse,so much that she shattered the Elden Ring because of it. His curse was that he has to die,no matter how much Marika tries to hide Destined Death,fate gonna catch up on him. How ironic is it that Marika tries to hide Destined Death so hard,just so his very own perfect child will become The Prince of Death itself? We also know that the first demigods were The Elden Lord Godfrey and his offspring, the golden lineage. So he is a firstborn,and Messmer's crusade started later on. So the Grandam's curse might not work retroactively (but the timeline is quite hard to understand properly)

LOVE THIS THEORY

"Godfrey, i am leaving you for mineself I was already sleeping with mineself" "Excuse me wtf did thee do?"