A big problem I see with modern Hollywood is that most of the truly talented people and the geniuses out in the world, are rude offensive and single-minded and have a vision and won't bend, to work in Hollywood today you have to be boring milk toast not offensive, the classic example is when Kathleen Kendy was asked what she thought about Rian Johnson and her quote was "he made me feel comfortable" This is the problem we have lost our rock and roll sole people who have any kind of vision are expelled or canceled and slandered online as a bad person for just having their own ideas. It's so sad not sure how art can survive this insane artistic vandalism.
Ahsoka was an example on how certain fans can be tricked into thinking something is good in itself because it reminds them of something else they think is good. Also it was a chick fight show so it did bring in the sucker punch fans. But as an show in itself it was empty. Devoid of actual content. Nothing really happened only the promise of something that could happen. No interesting villians, no heroes learning anything no nothing. Sure there were things that filled the void where an interesting villain should be, and things happened that could look like it was a lesson for the hero to a casual observer but it had no substance.
Hey Gatekeeper - You make a lot of assumptions in your little post here about how/why someone may or may not like this show. Newsflash you opinion is YOUR opinion. I enjoyed it for what it was and it sent me off on a mission to learn more about this area of backstory and lore. Win for me, I guess.
@CeresOutpost you liking the show is an opinion. Its objective that the show lacked characterization, lacked any drive/stakes, presented a few interesting ideas only for them to either never be resolved or play out exactly like how you expect. Its fine if you like that, but the show is completely riddled with major problems and thats just the truth
@@CeresOutpost Uh huh, and what exactly DID we learn? That space whales are apparently FTL mcguffins? That the best use of an ISD, designed SPECIFICALLY to conquer planets and function independently for extended periods, is to just sit around and wait for someone a galaxy away to save you? That the Dathomiri are apparently no longer from Dathomir? (/sigh). Honestly the Charlie Hopkinson reaction videos of Obi Wan and Qui Gon watching the show was FAR more entertaining than the show itself (also the writing and Star Wars characterization is legitimately better, in a PARODY...).
I am not attempting to give you shit Cletus, but let me make one point here that is rather important. Kennedy did NOT Forget to serve the older fans. She actively ignored, and even moreso made it clear she intended to actively not serve those fans, stating she owed 40 year old men(though she pissed off all the old school female fans too) nothing.
Correct. I have an entire 20 minute video just about her. Couldnt cram enough crap about her into this short one lol…but make no mistake, i am very familiar with her and what she has/has not done.
I enjoyed the hell out of this show, but the issue is that this show was made for deeper Star Wars fans who have an awareness of Clone Wars and Rebels. Star Wars doesn't need saving. It needs non-toxic fans who can understand that there are differing opinions and preferences out there. Not every show is going to perform well with every Star Wars fan.
Lol, watched clone wars and rebels. Still a crap show. Star wars used to be for everybody. Im so tired of being called toxic for pointing out what Disney has done to this brand. You mistake passion for toxicity
Disney's Star Wars is SO bad, there is only one explanation. It was made bad on purpose. All of it was, to destroy Star Wars. I understand that statement is both insane and impossible to anyone who would read it. I can't explain "why" in one comment. It takes a long time to understand. The movie reviewers from The Critical Drinker on down "give advice" to Disney on the mistakes they are making. This is comical. Do you really think that after 100 years, Disney suddenly forgot the components of a good TV show or movie when the formulas have been known since 1950? They know exactly what they are doing. Why do you think Kathleen Kennedy is allowed to "keep her job?" Who can fail for almost 10 years and keep their "CEO" job? No, she is doing her job perfectly well. The world may not work exactly like you think it does.
The best thing about this show was Ray Stevenson and the Clone Wars flashback. Outside of that, it was akin to watching paint dry. They even managed to take Thrawn, who was one of the best villains in the OG EU, and make him mid, at best.
The actor does well, but they are clearly having serious issues depicting an actually smart/clever character. They make it SEEM like he has a larger plan because he always IMPLIES he does, but if you actually break his actions down logically they are just plain stupid. Sending only TWO Tie fighters to take out a mid-sized combat ship? dumb. Sending troops on gunships, and then having said gunships just sit there passively during the ongoing land AND air battles happening all around them? dumb. Waiting to load his ship until the last possible second, despite TEN YEARS of prep time? dumb. Docking with the hyperspace ring NEAR THE GROUND where you know your only opposition is, instead of up in space where you'd be perfectly safe? freaking dumb Having a fortress WITH TONS OF BLAST DOORS, that apparently are only closed AFTER an enemy breaks in and activates them? So freaking dumb. Having not even conquered A SINGLE PLANET despite that being the EXPRESS PURPOSE of ISD's in the first place and not even having explored the area and made allies despite all those years trapped there? MIND numbingly dumb...
I gave up on Ashoka about 20 minutes into first episode. It was awful I couldn’t imagine it getting better. First episodes supposed to be a hook. There was no hook!!!
I am shocked that the mostly male teenagers who bought dozens of EU books and games in the 90s and 00s did not flock to a boring, female oriented tv show!
I mean maybe if they let sci fi writers do the work. If they told 'legends' stories. .. If they stopped trying to marvelize every damn thing... If If If...
Netflix should just make better series instead of relying on troll armies that throw sh*t against the competition. This is the lowest form of business practice. Competition in content production is GOOD for the consumer!
I mean after Mando season 3 I’m not surprised people checked out of Star Wars, even that the show is actually really good, and unless you watched rebels you won’t understand this show anyway.
A story can be a slow burn, but it still needs to earn people's attention by being interesting. Gsme of Thrones took an entire season for the main inciting incident to occure, but that first season was so good it didn't matter
"Must I watch 5 episodes of a show to enjoy it." We are so spoiled today. From Seinfeld to Star Trek: The Next Generation to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, there are literally hundreds of amazing shows that didn't find their footing until either a few episodes in (or even a full season under their belt). That's just the reality of making a TV show, it sometimes takes a while before everything clicks into place. It may be that Ahsoka never improves, but if it does, it will be just one of many, MANY shows that improved as the writers got to know the characters better and the actors found their chemistry.
Those were shows on cable TV with episodic storytelling over 20+ episodes. This is a serialized streaming show with maybe 2 hours of content, max, stretched out into 8 episodes. These showrunners don't understand the difference between movies and TV. And since these shows were once meant to have been movies, think of it like a movie; if the first 5/8ths of a film sucks, some people might just walk out of the theater. We are NOT spoiled when we're being given bad TV, especially when the "old bad" is much, much better.
This is a good point. But it falls flat in this context, i actually considered this when making the video. A show taking awhile to find its footing isnt the same thing as a show being crap/boring, the creators being very proud of themselves, and cherry picking good moments from an overall lousy show. Shows you mentioned may have evolved over time, but things still occurred in each episode. I wasnt waiting to be entertained
I thought I was watching a really bad remake of Indiana Jones at first then it dawned on me that they were using light sabers and it still resembled Indiana Jones witch was a really good film, I just hope they don't make 2nd season as by episode 3 it be totally dead.
@@ghost3337 they're making a season 2 aren't they? who cares if it's not the biggest audience - the story is good. The Star Wars universe can still support good stories.
@@hjones4922 we're not talking about the same things. When people say Star Wars can't be repaired, they are talking about the fan enthusiasm that would make people buy ancillary merchandise just off the brand alone. That is ruined.
This whole idea of Kennedy pandering to women is so laughable it is almost not worth mentioning. It never shows up in the products. Kennedy's Star Wars just missed the point of the importance of character continuity and interconnectedness. No one project did more to subvert this than did The Last Jedi, which it did so gleefully and deliberately. J.J Abrams didn't help either, setting up the sequel trilogy for failure by once again over emphasizing the story mechanic of anticipation building rather than paying anything off in a satisfying manner. Also let's not forget to mention that these "older guys" who are as you claim the core Star Wars fans like myself, were kids themselves when they first became those fanatic core Star Wars fans. I was one of them until The Last Jedi made me lose interest in the whole thing. The most Star Wars thing Disney produced was Rogue One, which efficiently retold the classic 'hero's journey,' which was George Lucas's formula for the OG trilogy. Sorry to report to all those hate-filled virgins out there that it it works with a female character at it's core. It is "good Star Wars" bc pure and simple stories of good standing up to evil is what Star Wars is about; not convoluted politics surrounding dark sabers and helmet removal protocols.
I feel like we agree i dont understand why this comment is painted as a disagreement? I have an entire 20 minute video on my channel discussing the exact issues you bring up in this comment. Other than the pandering to women which she objectively DID do with “the force is female” campaign. Whether it matters or not
Kind of an awful take dawg like your reasoning is "other people didnt like it so its bad" and "i didnt instantly understand the plot in the first episode so bad show"
So what are you? A Reylo? A chick fight fan? Or do you just like to see the ships fly around on screen? Maybe you are an Anakin fan and liked seeing him again both in dream sequence, holo vision and as a force ghost.
Over dramatized? No my friend the outrage is quite real. To see a company like Disney with nearly unlimited resources destroy one of my favorite IP’s…the rage is very real and if its not for you, this video isnt for you
A big problem I see with modern Hollywood is that most of the truly talented people and the geniuses out in the world, are rude offensive and single-minded and have a vision and won't bend, to work in Hollywood today you have to be boring milk toast not offensive, the classic example is when Kathleen Kendy was asked what she thought about Rian Johnson and her quote was "he made me feel comfortable" This is the problem we have lost our rock and roll sole people who have any kind of vision are expelled or canceled and slandered online as a bad person for just having their own ideas. It's so sad not sure how art can survive this insane artistic vandalism.
Andor Season Two will be their next success, as long as they keep the same team.
Ahsoka was an example on how certain fans can be tricked into thinking something is good in itself because it reminds them of something else they think is good.
Also it was a chick fight show so it did bring in the sucker punch fans.
But as an show in itself it was empty. Devoid of actual content. Nothing really happened only the promise of something that could happen.
No interesting villians, no heroes learning anything no nothing. Sure there were things that filled the void where an interesting villain should be, and things happened that could look like it was a lesson for the hero to a casual observer but it had no substance.
This🙌🙌🙌. Its pathetic how easily manipulated star wars fans are. Every disney+ show except andor has been AWFUL
Hey Gatekeeper - You make a lot of assumptions in your little post here about how/why someone may or may not like this show. Newsflash you opinion is YOUR opinion. I enjoyed it for what it was and it sent me off on a mission to learn more about this area of backstory and lore. Win for me, I guess.
@@CeresOutpost Thats.. The nicest thing anyone has ever called me.
@CeresOutpost you liking the show is an opinion. Its objective that the show lacked characterization, lacked any drive/stakes, presented a few interesting ideas only for them to either never be resolved or play out exactly like how you expect. Its fine if you like that, but the show is completely riddled with major problems and thats just the truth
@@CeresOutpost Uh huh, and what exactly DID we learn?
That space whales are apparently FTL mcguffins? That the best use of an ISD, designed SPECIFICALLY to conquer planets and function independently for extended periods, is to just sit around and wait for someone a galaxy away to save you? That the Dathomiri are apparently no longer from Dathomir? (/sigh).
Honestly the Charlie Hopkinson reaction videos of Obi Wan and Qui Gon watching the show was FAR more entertaining than the show itself (also the writing and Star Wars characterization is legitimately better, in a PARODY...).
I am not attempting to give you shit Cletus, but let me make one point here that is rather important. Kennedy did NOT Forget to serve the older fans. She actively ignored, and even moreso made it clear she intended to actively not serve those fans, stating she owed 40 year old men(though she pissed off all the old school female fans too) nothing.
Correct. I have an entire 20 minute video just about her. Couldnt cram enough crap about her into this short one lol…but make no mistake, i am very familiar with her and what she has/has not done.
Fans: Are you a Nightsister?
KK: A survivor.
I enjoyed the hell out of this show, but the issue is that this show was made for deeper Star Wars fans who have an awareness of Clone Wars and Rebels. Star Wars doesn't need saving. It needs non-toxic fans who can understand that there are differing opinions and preferences out there. Not every show is going to perform well with every Star Wars fan.
Lol, watched clone wars and rebels. Still a crap show. Star wars used to be for everybody. Im so tired of being called toxic for pointing out what Disney has done to this brand. You mistake passion for toxicity
Disney's Star Wars is SO bad, there is only one explanation. It was made bad on purpose. All of it was, to destroy Star Wars. I understand that statement is both insane and impossible to anyone who would read it. I can't explain "why" in one comment. It takes a long time to understand. The movie reviewers from The Critical Drinker on down "give advice" to Disney on the mistakes they are making. This is comical. Do you really think that after 100 years, Disney suddenly forgot the components of a good TV show or movie when the formulas have been known since 1950? They know exactly what they are doing. Why do you think Kathleen Kennedy is allowed to "keep her job?" Who can fail for almost 10 years and keep their "CEO" job? No, she is doing her job perfectly well. The world may not work exactly like you think it does.
The best thing about this show was Ray Stevenson and the Clone Wars flashback. Outside of that, it was akin to watching paint dry. They even managed to take Thrawn, who was one of the best villains in the OG EU, and make him mid, at best.
The actor does well, but they are clearly having serious issues depicting an actually smart/clever character. They make it SEEM like he has a larger plan because he always IMPLIES he does, but if you actually break his actions down logically they are just plain stupid.
Sending only TWO Tie fighters to take out a mid-sized combat ship? dumb.
Sending troops on gunships, and then having said gunships just sit there passively during the ongoing land AND air battles happening all around them? dumb.
Waiting to load his ship until the last possible second, despite TEN YEARS of prep time? dumb.
Docking with the hyperspace ring NEAR THE GROUND where you know your only opposition is, instead of up in space where you'd be perfectly safe? freaking dumb
Having a fortress WITH TONS OF BLAST DOORS, that apparently are only closed AFTER an enemy breaks in and activates them? So freaking dumb.
Having not even conquered A SINGLE PLANET despite that being the EXPRESS PURPOSE of ISD's in the first place and not even having explored the area and made allies despite all those years trapped there? MIND numbingly dumb...
I gave up on Ashoka about 20 minutes into first episode. It was awful I couldn’t imagine it getting better. First episodes supposed to be a hook. There was no hook!!!
I am shocked that the mostly male teenagers who bought dozens of EU books and games in the 90s and 00s did not flock to a boring, female oriented tv show!
It's not that it's female oriented. It's just bad writing. Boba fett was bad writing, too. That's the issue, not it being a woman lead.
Correct
@@SSpider41knowing which gender you’re writing for is important. It’s why the Barbie movie did so well.
@Beefman1933 Plenty of great female leads in movies written for male action audiences. The female lead isn't the issue. Just overall bad writing
I mean maybe if they let sci fi writers do the work. If they told 'legends' stories. .. If they stopped trying to marvelize every damn thing... If If If...
Netflix should just make better series instead of relying on troll armies that throw sh*t against the competition. This is the lowest form of business practice. Competition in content production is GOOD for the consumer!
I mean after Mando season 3 I’m not surprised people checked out of Star Wars, even that the show is actually really good, and unless you watched rebels you won’t understand this show anyway.
The only way to fix Star wars is to make the sequels non canon.
Season 2 will be cut. So will Iger.
A story can be a slow burn, but it still needs to earn people's attention by being interesting. Gsme of Thrones took an entire season for the main inciting incident to occure, but that first season was so good it didn't matter
"Must I watch 5 episodes of a show to enjoy it."
We are so spoiled today. From Seinfeld to Star Trek: The Next Generation to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, there are literally hundreds of amazing shows that didn't find their footing until either a few episodes in (or even a full season under their belt). That's just the reality of making a TV show, it sometimes takes a while before everything clicks into place. It may be that Ahsoka never improves, but if it does, it will be just one of many, MANY shows that improved as the writers got to know the characters better and the actors found their chemistry.
Those were shows on cable TV with episodic storytelling over 20+ episodes. This is a serialized streaming show with maybe 2 hours of content, max, stretched out into 8 episodes. These showrunners don't understand the difference between movies and TV. And since these shows were once meant to have been movies, think of it like a movie; if the first 5/8ths of a film sucks, some people might just walk out of the theater.
We are NOT spoiled when we're being given bad TV, especially when the "old bad" is much, much better.
This is a good point. But it falls flat in this context, i actually considered this when making the video. A show taking awhile to find its footing isnt the same thing as a show being crap/boring, the creators being very proud of themselves, and cherry picking good moments from an overall lousy show. Shows you mentioned may have evolved over time, but things still occurred in each episode. I wasnt waiting to be entertained
Disney..the writers and the actress trying to play her made Ashoka shite.. it's not Ashokas fault at all.. 🤷♂️
I thought I was watching a really bad remake of Indiana Jones at first then it dawned on me that they were using light sabers and it still resembled Indiana Jones witch was a really good film, I just hope they don't make 2nd season as by episode 3 it be totally dead.
Andor shows that you can always make good Star Wars stories. Nothing is ruined beyond repair.
No, it is another example, Andor shows the brand is so damaged even if it has quality, the viewership isn't there.
@@ghost3337 they're making a season 2 aren't they? who cares if it's not the biggest audience - the story is good. The Star Wars universe can still support good stories.
@@hjones4922 repair suggests gaining what was lost, not making a decent show that is largely ignored because it's in the middle of a sea of shit.
@@ghost3337 "making a decent show" is all most of us ask for - there's only so many hours in the day...
@@hjones4922 we're not talking about the same things. When people say Star Wars can't be repaired, they are talking about the fan enthusiasm that would make people buy ancillary merchandise just off the brand alone. That is ruined.
I loved Ahsoka
Ironic you mention fellowship of the ring when rings of power was a giant heap of shit
Correct
This whole idea of Kennedy pandering to women is so laughable it is almost not worth mentioning. It never shows up in the products. Kennedy's Star Wars just missed the point of the importance of character continuity and interconnectedness. No one project did more to subvert this than did The Last Jedi, which it did so gleefully and deliberately. J.J Abrams didn't help either, setting up the sequel trilogy for failure by once again over emphasizing the story mechanic of anticipation building rather than paying anything off in a satisfying manner.
Also let's not forget to mention that these "older guys" who are as you claim the core Star Wars fans like myself, were kids themselves when they first became those fanatic core Star Wars fans. I was one of them until The Last Jedi made me lose interest in the whole thing. The most Star Wars thing Disney produced was Rogue One, which efficiently retold the classic 'hero's journey,' which was George Lucas's formula for the OG trilogy. Sorry to report to all those hate-filled virgins out there that it it works with a female character at it's core. It is "good Star Wars" bc pure and simple stories of good standing up to evil is what Star Wars is about; not convoluted politics surrounding dark sabers and helmet removal protocols.
I feel like we agree i dont understand why this comment is painted as a disagreement? I have an entire 20 minute video on my channel discussing the exact issues you bring up in this comment. Other than the pandering to women which she objectively DID do with “the force is female” campaign. Whether it matters or not
Who Is Erin Carter beat Ashoka 😅. My Uncle and I watched half an episode and called it quits.
Great take
Kind of an awful take dawg like your reasoning is "other people didnt like it so its bad" and "i didnt instantly understand the plot in the first episode so bad show"
Incorrect - listen better
Ahsoka was great people just hating for no reason🤦
Exactly
It's great if you have low standards. Disney is so desperate to milk Star Wars of everything it has without any regard for quality.
Terrible take
IKR
Star Wars didn't need saving. And Ahsoka was great. Nothing to discuss here.
So what are you? A Reylo? A chick fight fan? Or do you just like to see the ships fly around on screen? Maybe you are an Anakin fan and liked seeing him again both in dream sequence, holo vision and as a force ghost.
@@Trencher1375 I'm just a fan with a brain that absolutely hates this toxic fandom.
@@lordnanni3177 The fandom isn't toxic; Disney is just putting out shit and polishing it, praying that people like you will come to their defense.
@@lordnanni3177it's ironic that you call other people toxic after insulting them.
You mistake passion for toxicity
Lol the show was trash just like the sequels. Disney klled Star war..
Star Wars is just fine. Good shows and bad. But not in need of “saving”. Enough with the over dramatized outrage.
Over dramatized? No my friend the outrage is quite real. To see a company like Disney with nearly unlimited resources destroy one of my favorite IP’s…the rage is very real and if its not for you, this video isnt for you