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Sm58 sounded amazing

I consider the Blackbird THE BEST tube preamp.

Phase is so complicated. Great video. I’m going to try the dual Tonex thing and blend them with a Gigrig Wetter Box. We’ll see how it goes.

One problem I never have with the ToneX is Latency. In a blind test with a real amp: no one will can spot the difference.

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I'm a pretty new HARDCORE Tonex fan. I don't use any of my vintage tube amps anymore--I just made captures of them on Tonex. I just bought a second one so I can run different amps in stereo. Great video.

The Blackbird sounds more real, the tonex sounds like a video game

Great comparison, thank you. I really appreciated the laid back, rational approach. I’m getting the Blackbird.

Can i load my tones on it? Or always need computer to use amplitube and tonex tones?

Also that was panned hard left and right. If I bring them in a little even just to -50 and +50, you almost can't here it. So in a large room with a full band, I imagine it will not be an issue.

Thanks I just searched this after getting a Tonex one and Full size Tonex. I found some Captures that work well together in stereo and then checked the phase on Logic Pro by recording something with one L and one R. I did it again with reverbs and delay off to make sure reverb and delays on the Big Sky and Timeline were not causing an issue. My conclusion is the phase isn't all of the way out (depending on the capture you choose) but the wave forms don't line up exact. It is noticeable listening if I line them up then undo the small drag I did on one track while it is playing back. Its almost like a double track effect and gives a small amount of a stereo spread. I will play with them next weekend and see if it bothers me. As of now I am okay with it.

I really enjoy your playing, and the binding on your Suhr really makes it dead sexy.

Very interesting. I have been wondering about using one, two or none Tonex Ones - haven't ordered one yet. I have been using a Blackstar HT-5R tube amp and a Katana 50 in dual mono wet/dry setup. The Blackstar gets only dry, the Katana gets the wet. I figure that there might be a bit of latency with the Katana but that my ears would interpret the latency as a wee bit of chorus or delay or reverb. In any case, both amps at the same time sounds huge compared to one amp by itself. So I'm wondering what two Tonex Ones would sound like.

Whst you mean to say is that this is a real problem for modellers that use IR capture technology : they capture the entire chain, (even the mic :)). You cannot change anything in this chain after it is modelled, unlike when you use the original amp, where you can add effects between the pre- and power that will change yhe eignal chsin :). (and as a 'bonus', it will not sound like the the original amp, but like the original amp recorded with a mic, a little detail that is usdually conveniently ignored by the manufacturers and YT reviewers ;)

I’d love to see a comparison of the effectrode against a Two Notes Revolt

Ok but why phase cancel ? what happens if we dont flip the phase ?? please answer

Here a tonex one with Bluesharp... th-cam.com/video/QHdX1sPi-Nc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UHV6gctAOZ_mcK2V

TONEX ONE is nice! Guitar processors can make a big difference in sound depending on the CAB IR you use. actually there are many IR products on the market, but I think DYNAX IR has the best sound. As stated in their product description, DYNAX IR is really fast. When using IRs, the pick attack is sometimes delayed, and it is difficult to add picking nuances, but their IR prevents all of that. It's revolutionary!

I think Delays and Reverbs sounded very OK out of ToneX

It's a great, detailed video. A year later, do you still like it? Do you still find it as good as you thought last year?

No doubt 20 year old speakers might have worn out components. Coved ceiling as well? You're braver than I. Very entertaining vid.

NIce...a really lovely sound...but I hear the guitar being slightly off center...maybe working with the level of the sides to move the image back to the center.

Those little contraptions are subject to providing only the tones supplied into it via its library samples (captures) of the guitars used at the time of capture, it's not going to replicate for the buyer to suit if a different guitar is being used replay such...end or report!

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Original time bassed effects were studio based & therefore after cabinets and microphones 🎤, so not that much of an issue. Could always turn off the cabinet and microphone models on the Tonex pedal, then buy a separate unit for speaker mic models, perhaps the tonex “one” if it has the speaker & microphone models on it and use that at the end of the chain. What I’d personally like to see is a Tonex Amp Combo for Bassists, and then another one for Guitarists. Always thought Kemper was overpriced. Tonex pedal for £300 - £400 is great. And essentially does the same job. Think one will be on my shopping list.

If you want two effects/amps in paralell but summoned to mono. Could you not just capture them in paralell into a single capture and run it on one unit to avoid this problem? I realise this would not be as flexible and fall apart as soon as you would want to turn one of them of or add other effects in series in one of the paths. For some applications like the paralell overdrive example it should work right?

The right channel was so incredibly noisy otherwise sounded nice!

Isn't Tonex an Actual "capture" not an amp sim? A capture could have been compressed at time of capture unlike the uncompressed Blackbird. Compressed captures might all suffer from the same lack of dynamic range.

that intro orchestration was absolutely breathtaking dude wtf. new subscriber in Australia !

It's SUCH a relief for me personally to see all of the complications that come with running 2 sound sources simultaneously finally being discussed in granular detail. I still wish they could implement something like you mentioned that the kemper had which "standardized" the latency so that both sources hit the DAW simultaneously. It was something like that???

What if you use an ABY pedal to split your guitar signal on the way to both tonex pedals. You could use the split pedal to invert phase of your guitar signal before it goes to the second tonex. Then it would be like each tonex is getting a fundamentally different guitar signal. Would that do it?

Cool video & topic man, hope you’re having a great holiday! Good idea about using the output with a Y-cable to split it. If I remember right it’s not a balanced output & can be used to split

Great video. I like my reverb and delay before the amp, and I like stereo effects. Hence the limitation of using one tonex. I want stereo in as well as stereo out. Running mine In the loop of an hx stomp that allows for polarity changes.

Wet/dry is what I do out of the OG Tonex.

What if we could combine two tone models into one preset with the Tonex software? Seems like a possibility in a future update.

All I am thinking is... is it really that warm in Norway right now? Enjoy your vacation!

You know if you play a guitar part, and you just copy and paste it on another track, you're gonna end up with phasing issues. So if you're using dual amps it's essentially playing the exact same guitar part so why wouldn't it create phasing issues?

I accidently tried to like twice, interesting video thanks, happy Norway day

An interesting point: Our ears actually *need* small latency differences to tell the direction of sound. So our brains don't mind having latency between two different sound sources (i.e. two cabs). However, if you combine those latencies into a single source (i.e. one cab) our brains don't like it.

I think the easiest way to think of all this is: it is best to have each Tonex go to separate speakers/cabs, as your ears already understand any latency difference from two different locations. However, If you mix in any way the output from two Tonex into one speaker, you will probably encounter some issues with the partial phase "comb filtering" effect.

Thanks for making this. You're going through all the thoughts that I've been going through. In fact I laughed because I'm using a Flint to try a Wet-Dry-Wet right now with my Tonex One and I also just got a Y-splitter a couple days ago.

A word on using a TRS output as a splitter...the tip and ring are 180 degrees out of phase. That's what balanced signals are - they're run over a length of cable phase flipped, then when the signals are recombined at the other end, they are flipped again and the em/rf component present in both ring and tip cables get's cancelled out. Not really a problem if one side is going to 100% wet time domain effects like delay/reverb etc. However, if any of that flipped signal is allowed back into the signal path dry...you MIGHT have problems.

Wet-dry-wet with one Tonex One 🤯

Thanks for sharing. Can you talk about the Tonex and drive pedals? I got mine and tested it a few times and had a friend listen to it and we could not get it to sound good with pedals in front of it. I'm sticking with my tried and true HX stomp. Any thoughts???

Thanks for sharing your videos. I enjoy your takes. Nice to get out of the studio!

Can U share background stems?

As pleasing as it sounds when you play in front of a stereo rig, I couldnt care less when listening to a live performance. As for recording, a well played double track sounds bigger and fuller than any stereo guitar. If I need stereo (delay etc), I´ll do it in the mix... Another trick - when you absolutely need a stereo signal from 2 modeling pedals like tonex - is to use a phase allignment plugin like Auto-Align from Sound Radix.

Thanks for the video. Any running a dual amp setup needs to know this.

It’s really not that affordable if you want a dual amp, you are talking about 360$ + tax. Yes it’s cheaper than 2 amp but still it’s not cheap!!

I have two strymon Iridiums, and I tried the stereo like you are doing, and I had them running into a line isolator in a UA 476, and I couldn't get them in phase. One Iridium was sounding good. The other was totally clean, and I'm not sure why.