TONEX PEDAL - the missing effects loop and the deal with IRs
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- There's been lot of conjecture about the lack of an effects loop. Does it matter?
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Loving the new setup Jon - keep up the great content! 🙂
Thanks mate, will do my best!
So hard to find a video where I agree with everything that’s said, and also do differently as well. Great stuff sir! You’re very polite and pleasant to watch!
Thanks! Happy to hear some positive vibes, appreciate that my man
You could run wet/dry, or wet/dry/wet with a single Tonex pedal. Run the left output of Tonex direct to 1 channel of a mixer. Run the right output to a delay or modulation pedal with Kill dry function. Then run out of the pedal to a separate channel or channels (if running stereo) on the mixer, then out to studio monitors. You can blend how much wet signal you want against the dry by adjusting the faders on the mixer. I’ve been running my Strymon Iridum like this and more recently my Bluguitar Amp 1. It sounds epic!!
Ah cool! Yeah mainly I'm talking live - I think I need to be more clear about this as I'm starting to realise that not everyone needs to have a portable and convenience set up for live stuff/travel. That does sound like a very fun home rig though!
Everything you’ve said is right. I always hated my delay in the loop though because I always ran my Marshall power amp hot and I didn’t like the power amp effect on the delay. It may have been subtle but I could hear it. So this missing feature isn’t a miss for me but more due to my preference than it not being an oversight potentially on IKs part.
THANK YOU! I quite like the delays smushing slightly with the power amp and speaker distortion. It's not a big deal but it's not nothing as some have suggested...
It will be interesting to see what signal paths folks come up with. I have a Plethora running after the TONEX pedal in stereo and it sounds great to my amateur ears. Still waiting for MIDI controller to come in. Great times to be a guitarists!
Totally agree! Exciting times indeed
What do you have running after?
Great video. Just like Max I've been running effects after the IR section for years with the Fractal. To me it feels and sounds better then what I typically get out of my amp effects loop. Wish I could run an effects loop after the power section on a Vox for instance without having to purchase something like the power station to do it. Definitely will be getting one of these Tonex pedals. Such a freaking killer idea.
Hey Russ. Interesting. Same here really, but I've been finding when I got back to FX in the loop of an amp, delays and reverbs seems to just sound better, and I want to know why that is!
@@JonWrightMusicTV better is question of taste. theres no fx loop in the helix between preamp & power also, and helix is very hard to beat when we speak delay and mod fx
@@JonWrightMusicTVin a tube power section, it’s possible that the added harmonics from amplifying both the wet and dry portions add some “hair” to the sound that perhaps sounds warmer or more “glued”.
Exactly Digi. A bit of speaker squidge (technical term) too
I'm genuinely interested in hearing what you think about this. To me there is a vibe when effects hit a real power amp and speaker that's different to effects being added afterwards. Probably doesn't matter that much - especially when you think about the audience - but it's been making me think.
I do love my delay into the front end of the amp because is more dynamic. You can dig in for a more pronounced delay effect or back off for less. Reverb can come before or after in my opinion. I suppose it depends on the flavor of the reverb.
Only people in the audience who really notice are other guitarists lol - the rest are, hopefully, enjoying the show. However, it's all about how you feel and how it sounds to you when you're playing.
I've only ever done a few gigs with IEMs but they changed the game so much in terms of how playing live "felt" - I found myself pulling one ear out just so I could hear the amp instead, but then as I mentioned in another comment, I'm a bloody caveman.
However, loads of friends swear by their amp modeller setup of choice and IEMs so... it's a new world and I think all the better for it. At least they won't have the constant hiss in their ears from too many loud gigs over too many years.
Tonex doesn't have a power amp.
I really did't see the need for an effects loop on the Tonex until, I was doing an A B comparison with my other pedalboard. My other board is similar, instead of the Tonex I use a Neunaber Neuron preamp to a plethora x5 to a specular reverb and out to a pair of two note cabm. On the Tonex board it's Tonex to plethora to specular reverb to temple audio active stereo di. My first board effects sound more connected and overall complete tone "to my ears". The Tonex board the delays and reverbs are not coming thru as lush and present seems more disconnected as you mentioned. Now if I play a gig with either board, I feel good about the tone. It's just while at home making detailed comparison.
Exactly. I appreciate you posting this as it’s good to hear from someone else who notices the same subtle difference. Yes, it’s fine to have effects after cab (sometimes it’s ideal) but it’s not the same as between pre and cab and that was my minor gripe!
A storm in a glass of water ...in decades I haven't seen a guitar player placing any effect between the amp and the cab ...all time base effects such as delays, and reverb and sometimes chorus and others have all gone after the cab/IR section while we know that gates, compressors, octaver, dist & Overdrive plus phaser and flangers usually go in front and the result was always more than satisfactory. The strenght of the Tonex is its capability to get ...amp models much more similar or very close to the original amp than any other so-called profilers like the Kemper can do today etc., ...technology has evolved as it was supposed to be so it makes no wonder why this pedal is now finding a lot of guitar players so interested as long as we don't expect from it what it wasn't planned for. Perhaps a future step will see added all the other peculiarities that will make it a single piece solution but that's still to come.
Agreed. People want this thing to be an all-in-one…and it wasn’t designed for that.
For me, it's like this - effects added 'in post' or after the amp mic, sound nice and clean and 'expensive' and I love them. Live and in the studio. However going back to my amp and same delays in the amp's loop gave me a sound that was a bit more 'glued together'. I also liked that. So I would LIKE to run some effects into the power amp and the speaker. I'm totally ok with accepting the minor compromise for cost and convenience, but I think it's ok to just mention it and be accurate about it being slightly different to fx after IR.
Thank you very much for your work on the Tonex Pedal. I am strongly considering to buy one as I am using the AmpliTube plugin for years and absolutely loving it. What I am concerned about is using effects like delay (having a Eventide MicroPitch trying to recreate some EVH like sounds) after the Tonex: As i understand the pedal creates a direct out signal which can be sent directly to a power amp or PA. Now, will adding effects afterwards affect the quality (signal level, dynamics etc.)?
No need to worry too much about this. You might want to use a DI box to convert the (unbalanced) Tonex output to a balanced signal that the power amp/pa will like. But the output of the Tonex is unbalanced just like (virtually all) your delay pedals). So it won't get worse.
You only need to worry about balanced vs unbalanced if you run a cable more than 10 feet. Less than that there’s no benefit 🙂
Will this tonex pedal allow me to capture my amp for blues and then roll off my guitar volume for fine gain adjustment, or does the amp need to be captured several times? I don't want to be having to push the pedal for different gain levels (clean/mild overdrive/crunch)
Missed the opportunity to reply in good time here, sorry. Yeah pretty good. It will depend on the profile, and the guitar, so it's going to be on a case by case basis.
Thanks for the video. I understand your point. Personally, I don't consider reverbs and delays as effects per se because they don't change the sound. Instead, they create a sense of space or location, simulating the environment or room where the sound will be situated. So, if we use them in front of an amp, it's not a matter of right or wrong; it's simply using them as an effect or modulation, much like Van Halen. Therefore, they no longer serve as natural room simulators for our sound, if you know what I mean. That's why I really miss an FX LOOP in Tone X.
Having said that, you can always use reverb and delay, and decrease the amount of mixing them to avoid the unclear sound that comes from using them in front of an amp.
Thanks for this. I don't quite understand the issue with the lack of a loop in the way you're describing: you can put delay/reverb after the tonex and they're working in the way you're thinking of them.
@@JonWrightMusicTV Yes, totally true! I was wrong ;) I could checked it out, cheers!
My plan is to put Tonex after my drives and before my delays and reverbs , but also I’ll use my Torpedo Cab in the end of my chain using power amp and Cab simulator from Torpedo
Solid plan
How about chorus, phaser, rotary and flangers? Would there be a difference if you place them before or after the IR cab?
Good question! I might be missing something, but I think in most cases it would be negligible. If there was any sort of drive on the rotary that might interact differently, but whether it's more or less to your taste would be subjective
I am quite new on my path of learning guitar technology and how to use various connections. I have a line 6 catalyst amp that has a power amp option via the the effects loop connections. I have a pedal collection I would like to use. Just trying to work out how I would connect a Tonex? Do I just use as another pedal, overdrives into tonnex into modulation and then into the normal input (guitar) of the amp? Alternatively does it go in the power amp section of the amp, does this require the pedals to go into the normal input on the amp or are they connected to the tonex in the power amp section of the amp. I am looking at whether perhaps a line 6 helix stomp or whether things like boss ir200, walrus audio or stymon amp simulator. They all seem to have different connection options and I am confused. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Did you figure this out in the end?
I have a Line 6 Catalyst 60W and the new Tonex One on the way and I have a pedal board with some effects that I would like to use. So will this work fine with the ToneX going into delay or chorus and then into the return port of my catalyst?
Yep, but you'll need to use the 'cab off' setting in the Tonex
The real problem is that you have a compressor and a reverb built in that you can't use without the FX loop if you have a more extended pedalbord.
You have the compressor, but if you are using an ovedrive before the tonex, than you can't use that compressor. You have a reverb, but if you have a delay, you should put the reverb after that, so you can't use it neither.
The smart move would have been No FX Loop, No built in effects. Just amp. Now I have two effects I can't use and that will just sit there and the pedalboard will remain of the same dimensions.
On another more important note: try the Amp1 from BluGuitar. That is an incredible unit, built by a great guitarist for the guitarists and I still have to find one single flaw.
Cheers and great videos! Keep up!
Thanks! I agree really. It's as though there are some really nice features that may have just been added as a bonus, but now they're in there we're frustrated that we can do 'x' with them. People keep saying about Blu... have not really been excited about it but will think about it
How do you think Boss Katana is it good for Tonex? We can put for example all reverbs delays etc... before the amp in the chain.
I haven't used the Katana I'm afraid
the way I understand it, if you want to interrupt the signal going from the preamp model to the poweramp->speaker models and pass it through external effects that would mean an additional DA-AD stage, which honestly doesn't sound like it's worth the added complexity/price/latency
It would be like 3ms latency, but fair point regarding price and complexity.
SPOT ON! Since I switched to Axe fx, I’m running effects after IR Cab and it sounds absolutely amazing.
Yeah it's pretty killer isn't it!
IRs don't have an effect on effects.... The only reason anyone runs pedals through an FX loop is to avoid the pre amp from changing the output of the effects and to avoid the extra gain from a power amp. The Tonex is ONLY a pre amp so the effects loop out would come after the tonex and since there is no power amp on the tonex there is not need to send the signal back to the tonex.
Mr Fox I’ve tried to clear up your confusion in your other post where you say the same, not quite correct thing.
Could you put fuzz / dist / od pedals into front of amp, then tonex first in the chain through the fx loop via a switcher?
I don't see why not, but I'm not 100% sure I understand the question.
I just really like listening to you talk…
I'll make you a playlist!
Probably mentioned by others but what I never hear when talking about the missing effects loop is... being able to use the USB audio interface. It becomes obsolete if you have to run line out into effects. Of course you can run your effects first but then that is totally different as you've spoken about it.
As of yet I haven't had a chance to try out a Tonex, but I never hear folks talking about the response of a profiled amp compared with a real amp in terms of the sound of distortion as the gain increases. Surely when you're profiling an amp, you are really only capturing the essence of the amp at a single gain setting of its preamp and power amp. A clean Fender needs a different profile than a distorted Fender. The future is bright for more dynamic processing of course, including the ability to do all the capturing with the single device and not requiring additional software and proprietary interfaces. Thanks for the vid. Cheers!
Yeah I think you're right really, although I think the point of this pedal is as a live tool rather than to be used with a computer. If you're using a computer you might as well just used the standalone Tonex app. Thanks for watching!
@@JonWrightMusicTV I've decided since all the Tonex madness began (and it's great, don't get me wrong) that I'll put my money (actually it's free right now) on Tonocracy and any potential hardware that comes forth from Atomic. They are not the powerhouse that IK is, but the app is solid. Sure there is some nitpicking, but the reviews in masse including my opinion are very positive.
Hi mate, considering a tonex to create a stereo signal path from my VH2, I have a g3 so that can handle the signal split but my concern is that one side would have IRs right at the end of the chain, through my captor load box and the other side would have IR before hitting the delay. The more I write this and draw it out I think in my case I need an FX loop, I'll essentially be doing an A/B audio demo everytime I play. Would appreciate your thoughts, cheers
I can't quite get my head around what you're doing here, but you'll need to be aware of possible phase issues if you've got IR in parallel: th-cam.com/video/otUI1iJybac/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ry0ObxoL2BORhIEs
Might be worth bearing in mind that the TONEX ONE has a stereo out, so you can split the output, one to delays, one dry?
Adding an effectloop would double the latency. I know the Tonex offers 3 ms, so adding another ADDA conversion would make that 6 which is perfectly fine. But any other digital effect you then add to the signal chain might add a bit of latency to the signal except when it has a analog/digital mixer for the dry/wet effect. With a multi-effectsprocessor you don't have this problem.
Yes, there's a continuum with latency where it's not a problem... until it is. I see your point but also worth remembering that 3ms is equivalent to being 3ft from your amp, so... I dunno. By the way I think the Fractal stuff has variable latency depending on what you have in your patch - not sure what the max can be on that... Cheers!
In the last 3 years, after 47 years playing guitar, I've felt like the veritable caveman exiting the cave for the first time and seeing all the colours, light and possibilities, thanks to the incredible advances in guitar sound processing. The problem I have is, like that caveman, I think I'll be heading back into the cave where it's dark and safe 😂😂😂😂
I mean, I have my tech - Headrush MX5 into Logic Pro on my mac for recording - and it's good enough for anything I am recording for myself or clients (BBC included bless their decent paying socks) but I still feel that live, like Jon, I would feel odd giving up my crappy old pedals into my Fender/Marshall rig.
Seeing as "live" work is not a big issue these days at my age, I was never tempted by the "big boy" rigs like the Kempers, but the ToneX has got my credit card worried again. The fact it can be integrated so nicely into Logic and had great, tried and tested software for onscreen editing, is a massive plus to me. I know I'm already sold on it haha... but, the drummer has just boiled up some mammoth skins and bones for his kit back in the cave, the bassist is able to stand without scaffolding and the singer is dancing around the fire, so I had better get back in the nice, dark, warm cave. Shhh... not a word to them, it'll only confuse them more than me 👍👍👍
Thanks for your comment Martin. If you're only interested in studio/recording, and sticking with pedals for live, you could just use the software version of ToneX... I would definitely not show this pedal to your bass player or drummer as they are certainly unlikely to understand, and may be alarmed by such devilry.
I like the filtering you get from putting delays and reverb before the ir, it may not drive the power amp/speaker in the same way but it does sound different so taking that option away for me is not ideal
I haven't been able to hear a difference of putting delays and reverbs before or after IR. To me it's the same as moving an EQ before or after reverbs. It is more intuitive to put the eq before the verbs for me but I don't hear a difference. And mathematically speaking there shouldn't be a difference either.
@@rejuvenator8966 I suppose it's possible I'm imagining a bigger difference than there actually is. I should do a blind test
@@rand0mturk3y I'm no expert on this either so yes blind test is a good idea before believing me also 😄
@@rejuvenator8966 I tested it out and I think I do hear a difference but it's absolutely tiny, if it's even there at all and not just my bias. My reasoning is that an IR isn't just a flat eq curve, they also emulate the decay of each frequency over time so maybe that would change the character of the delay or whatever a tiny bit? I know the irs in the quad cortex are quite short so possibly you'd hear a bigger difference the longer the ir is but I'm not sure. Interesting to think about, certainly opened my eyes a little I don't think having a loop in tonex would make a big difference at all anymore.
Love this conversation. I think it's awesome that you've checked out your own bias. Agree it's not a big deal most of the time BUT if power amp saturation/speaker breakup was a big part of your live sound and you used lots of delays and/or volume boosts, it could be quite significant. For most people thought, no biggie
I heard the tonex can also reproduce fractions of a guitar tone such as drive+preamp. Can i just use this in conjunction with a poweramp+ir simulator like the Engl cab loader and put my favorite effects in the middle? If yes: could i also split the Signal and run one pre-Signal into a Real Tube poweramp? Please do a Test!! BTW: good channel
I think you could do that, yes. Will have a think about it, no promises though!
interesting...got me thinking.
In my Helix I can (and sometimes do) put my delays/reverb before the cab but pretty sure I can't put them between pre-amp and power amp (like in a real amp's FX loop). I even dug out Bias Amp where you can build your own modelled amp but once again there's no option for a send and return between pre-amp and power amp stage.
I still think IKMultimedia missed a trick with no FX loop (if only for the headphone playing to yourself option) but not the killer miss some seem to be suggesting.
Also love the idea that you could buy two for still less than a Kemper and have way more routing/amp opportunities opened up.
Nice pone, cheers.
Agree. Cheers Nic
Ampero Stomp 2 can do this.. Preamp block, then effects, then power amp block.. AXE FX can also do this but it just requires a good amount of tweaking.. Basically, you can match any pre-amp with any power amp you like, and also put whatever effects you like between the two.
Oh you can do that with AxeFX? Right... I dunno. It's not super important, but it's not NOTHING as some people have been claiming
@@JonWrightMusicTV yeah.. It's not that big of a deal.. But it does provide some extra versatility for those who really want to dial in their tone.. Having separate pre-amp and power-amp blocks basically provides the foundation of any tone you could ever imagine.. Likely too much versatility for most to want to deal with.. But if you want to sculpt out the low end breakup or have an effect hit a particular set of power tubes in a certain way, it's pretty amazing to mess around with... Again though, probably overkill for most people who just need some solid tones and some perfectly suitable post cab/IR effects.
The implementation of effects loops was to allow you to put clean effects into the amp without adding gain. In a silent rig, putting effects after “the speaker” still allows for these effects to be undisturbed by the gain of the preamp. This is something we can do in the Helix and I don’t find a significant difference. Using the 2notes CabM can take this even a step further by separating the preamp and the power amp.
The difference just varies a lot. If a power amp is being pushed into distortion and compression, delay and gain boost behave quite differently. I personally like that sound quite a bit, but not everyone cares about it
@@JonWrightMusicTV i think through an amp this is true, and if you really like that sound try the 2Notes Cab M it can do the poweramp simulation and you can control how much power tube distortion you get. :)
+1 quad cortex, you could totally do a preamp and power amp captures separately and put delays between them
Oh really - good to know
Just throwing this out there....I know Kemper has a speaker that you can use with their profilers. Is it possible that IK Multimedia could at some point could release a speaker that would allow use of an effects loop? Seeing how popular the Tonex Pedal is I wouldn't be surprised if more products in this line are in the works.
I mean they've recently moved into studio monitors so.. maybe!
The clarification here though is that it would have been nice to put the delays/reverbs post AMP/IR into the pedal so you can use the headphone out of the TONEX, in the current state you need to run the before the amp as most delays and reverbs are not going to have an headpone out.
I didn’t think of that as I don’t use headphones in that way - but it’s a very good point you’re making
@@JonWrightMusicTV Historically I've needed to run my rig into an audio interface, mixer, or some other contraption to get to that headphone monitoring situation. However, this box (minus my observatation of where I'd like to run delays/reverbs) makes that a possibility without having all that other gear setup and turned on. It would get closer to an amp setup of just turn it on and play but in this case, at any hour of the day. Most of the time I'll be running it into a Radial JDI Duplex, but the Headphone out is a legitimate option on a box like this as part of a large boutique filled pedalboard, or even as a grab and go play in a corner of the house box. So many uses for it.
Thanx for explain the linear signal concept, it's very helpful to understand the TONEX. But, cm'on, evreyone already knows that guitarists have O.C.D. when lt comes to their signal paths. Of course we're gonna fall apart if we don't get our fx send-return.
Yep. It's one of those things that some people don't care about, and therefore they think doesn't matter! Oh well. Solidarity, brother.
Personally I've been doing delay and reverb after the ir cab in the axe fx and the studio mix is done the same way. So i dont have a problem with tonex not having an effects loop - it doesnt make sense for me to have it. it would also increase the size of it.
Yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with you here
I don’t really use IR’s , I usually use amps but I do have an Atomic Amplifire 6 that I use rarely. It’s older I know but sounds decent and I like the fact that it does have a pretty good stereo fx loop.
Sounds good!
The scenario that I would care having an fx loop is headphones practice with only my pedalboard, I prefer wet effects after the amp, and if I can only plug in headphones to a tonex then I wont have effects
Yes, this is a valid point for headphone use
Well, that was quick. Back to the Kemper!
An oldie but a goodie
It would be great if it had an fx loop, but like you said, Kemper, Axefx, and Helix don't have a true fx loop. And I think it would probably take up a ton of dsp and processing to split the preamp, power amp and cabinet sections of the capture.
Yeah I pretty much agree with you.
Whst you mean to say is that this is a real problem for modellers that use IR capture technology : they capture the entire chain, (even the mic :)).
You cannot change anything in this chain after it is modelled, unlike when you use the original amp, where you can add effects between the pre- and power that will change yhe eignal chsin :). (and as a 'bonus', it will not sound like the the original amp, but like the original amp recorded with a mic, a little detail that is usdually conveniently ignored by the manufacturers and YT reviewers ;)
Maybe then the setup should look like this: drives--> Tonex 1 (amp only/no cab)--> Delays --> Tonex 2 (cab only) 🙂 Great video. Thank you!
That could be the way - I'm going to try a cheap IR loader first!
@@JonWrightMusicTV Jon, please consider making a video / tutorial of your IR loader experience.
Or you could just use a mooer radar for the cab sims
Great video but I don’t get why putting delay (stereo in my case) before the ToneX pedal would give me mono out (the pedal’s reverb is stereo)
Because the Tonex only has mono in. There’s no way of running a stereo anything into a mono input.
Oh ok… I didn’t know that. Thanks for the explanation. I might buy an FM9 then since I need stereo out live.Not sure the amps sim would sound as good as the ToneX though…
@@julienbriere1972 Tonex does have stereo out, just no stereo in. Seems like its designed to be treated mostly like an amp. If you really need stereo before the amp, you could do 2 Tonex's and it would still be cheaper than an FM9🤷♂. You'll get the benefit of running dual captures too.
I think many of us guitar players are not going to purchase ToneX for live gigs because of no effect loop. I guess we will see if I’m right or wrong. Thanks for your video.
For me it's a minor thing. It's the same signal flow as a Kemper or whatever. It would have been a nice option but definitely not a deal breaker and for some, apparently, the preference is effects after cab/mic anyway
@@JonWrightMusicTVkemper has fx built in..
It’s not a deal breaker. Running the effects post does sound great.
The issue is that it defeats the purpose of the onboard reverb, as you now can’t run a delay before the reverb but after the amp. So now you have to run a delay and reverb after the Tonex. The built in reverb is kinda pointless then.
Second, it defeats the purpose of it being an interface. It can’t send anything post to the daw without a loop. So now you’d need to get a second interface to record your delay and reverb. The interface is sort of a waste as well.
If it had a loop with trs balanced outs to front of house it would be more functional as an end of chain device.
This is the perfect summary
That would be nice for tonex Mk2
Also tuning feature (all in one pedal)😅
They added a tuner in the Tonex One!
Delay does not sound correct. I appreciate you being benevolent. However, when I hook up my boss delay after the thing it doesn’t sound like it does in the loop that sounds weird not happy.
Hoping you figured this out...
Not adding an effects loop of it is the dumbest thing they do when the price is almost the same as the boss ir-200. 🤘✌
It's a topic that seems to divide us. I wish it had one too, but I'm over it now.
The effects loop should be, period! Then there will be no compromises and dances with a tambourine ... We will hopefully wait for TONEХ MK2)))
I'm holding out for Tonex 5
The Great pottery throwdown
It's been three months and I still haven't worked out what you mean
Makes you wonder how so many great albums were made when effects loops weren’t even a thing. LOL. Growing up, my Marshall heads, including my Plexi and JCM 800 didn’t even have effects loops. How did we ever get by?!?
I guess you could make the argument that we were fine using a horse and cart before cars were designed
Running with dual Tonex pedals would also solve the concern of needing a backup.
Absofruitly
Run this into fx return/pwr amp in of most amps from your board in a 4 cable method w midi and it shouldnt be an issue.
But then you're missing out on the cab modelling which is such a big part of this product?
That's the way I use the two notes cabm...
What about Modulation effects…?
Your choice! I like them before drive personally, except tremolo (right at the end) and flanger sometimes (towards the end)
I like to use whammy and Wah after the drive, I think it won't work with a Tonex =/
You'd need separate drive before the pedals, yes
Robert smith has a huge guitar tone and super wet and all his effects are pre the amp like old days, if its good enough for Robert its good enough for me
Can't believe I missed this comment. Huge Cure fan. Super clean amps all the way though
@@JonWrightMusicTV you cant beat an old / or new Jc120 haha , tho i have a great jc patch for my tonex ansd run the waza CE2 before it .
I think IRs are what make amp sims sound fake. I thought the ToneX could reproduce the entire signal path including the mic and cabinet. Is that not the case?
That is the case
Plug it straight into a pa mixer. See how well it sounds
I plugged it straight into a power PA speaker and it sounded great. It’s the same signal that I recorded and that you heard. If you don’t like the sound that’s cool, but the direct sound is exactly what you’re hearing.
Someone complaining about the lack of fxloop on the tonex just illustrates the lack of understanding of where the fxloop sits in the chain and how amp works. How on Earth can you insert and fxloop between the preamp and poweramp on an amp capture that capture the preamp and poweramp at the same time and combined???
Except it's not really a complaint, is it. It's a discussion about the limitations of the system. I'd add, Marc-Andre, that you can somehow turn off the cab in these captures, so there's a virtual insert point there at least. And Kemper has allowed you to do the same for many years. Perhaps there is some knowledge that you could gain in this area too.
It’s called a power amp in a speaker you buy a power ramp like a martial law wrap and you plug the turn action to it. Can you plug a power amp into a speaker Wala the only other way to do it and I have to tell you I have a toilet and the light sound.
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This isn't that hard to understand:
Effects Loop: Gtr into amp to pre amp then fx loop out pedals into fx loop in then to power amp > cabinet......
Tonex Loop: Gtr into Tonex ... Tonex out to fx... fx into power amp > cabinet (if not using cab sim)...
TONEX IS A PRE AMP!... dosent need an fx loop to insert fx before a power amp.....Because TONEX Doesn't have a power amp. IRs dont' effect pedals..
And yet….
ToneX doesn’t have a ‘real’ power amplifier but its tone models include the sound of the power amp including saturation and compression.
You might as well say Tonex doesn’t have a microphone - they’re still part of the capture.
Wind your neck in a bit
@@JonWrightMusicTV hi...i have a tube amp with FX loop where in the loop i have a Reverb and Delay Pedals...can i run the TONEX also in the FX loop without losing my Reverb and Delay pedals? how will be that connection?
It seems somebody just watched the ToneJunkie ToneX video and got schooled..
I'm sure he's a lovely guy, but I haven't watched any of his videos at this stage, so no...
stick to one camera man, it doesn't work
I’ll do me.
This definitely has the flavor of corporate backlash back peddling.
Sounds like you’re experiencing me a certain way rather than understanding the words I’m saying
@@JonWrightMusicTV Good answer! Just please be true to your followers. 😉🙏
That's the way I use the two notes cabm...