@@JonWrightMusicTV That's the main reason why i didn't jump into a YT channel of my owm, u know.. I didn't want to HAVE to make a video, just for the sake of putting it out and keeping the Logs going... Judging from what u present(ed) here.. , and this is the 1st time i watch a video of yours..... i would stick to whatever you want to say.. and not worry about numbers.. I've been following quite a few guys that dove into this, a few years ago... and focused on quality. And their numbers are growing.. whilst others burn out too quickly. Honestly, as a hot / "impulsed" feedback i wanna give you.. right now.. is that i wish that we lived close to each other. Perhaps we could collaborate on some of these videos. U seem to have sort of complementary approach to what i would have. So, all the best in the world. Don't give up, keep at it.. whatever little videos a month you're able to put out. Like me, there will be those who have subscribed, and will listen to whatever you have to say, whenever you will be able to say it ;) . Kudos from Portugal Jon PS: that E-H Soul Food sounds brilliant , despite the lack of loudness that might be put out.
Forget the tonex or kemper or any of that. This dudes playing...man. Thank you for your creative contributions to the world. Being able to manage your sounds on the fly and remain consistently on fire with your technique, absurd and terrifying and wonderful.
OMG!!! What an awesome demo! No matter what plugin you play, with your fingers everything sounds awesome!!! Unbelievable good tone! That's the secret of your great sound.
I cant get over how well these videos are made. Brilliant playing, of course, but also the feeling, camerawork and lighting. Great to watch, thank you!
Even though this particular product doesn't interest me, I'm super stoked to see you back! Your videos look amazing and you're a charming presenter. This channel deserves to be way bigger.
A loop would cost money (extra ADDA converters) and would add latency (ok, no need to discuss that...), but most of all with those extra connections IKMM would have to come up with a new housing and PCB instead of using those of the X-Gear series - which is probably the main reason why they can offer this thing for so little money. I rather wish it was smaller.
If the effects after the mic are really a problem, you could run the presets without an IR simulation in the ToneX, then go out, through all your effects, and then into a CAB M for your IR. That would simulate a traditional amp setup, and you get some of the best IR simulation and control together with this amazing ToneX modelling.
I haven't watched every review of the Tonex pedal. But I have watched quite a few. Yours is the first that shows you can play at bedroom sound levels. There's a lot of us bedroom guitarists, and that's an important feature. Thank you for that!
Ah thank you! That's nice to read. It's a real song that I produced and I repurposed the backing for this. Link in description if you want to hear the alternative version (sung by my wife)...
@@JonWrightMusicTV From your review, I then researched several others! I then pulled the trigger and got one! Joy of joys! Absolutely spectacular technology! Wow do I wish I had had one of these back on the road with my Band in the 1970's! But better late than never on this end of life too! Again, my sincere thanks for your very highly entertaining effort! Highest regards and best wishes!
2 Month ago i bought the Ampero Hotone 2 and never looked back to my amp. I integrated my whole pedalboard around that device and i‘m more than happy 👌🏼
At this price point, I see players possibly buying 2 units.... running wet dry or stereo. You have a backup unit if one goes down and you still spent half the price of a Kemper or Quad Cortex. Then profile your own collection of drive pedals and build them into the presets so u can carry a mini to medium sized pedalboard with the 2 units, delay, reverb, modulation, and a midi controller/switcher.
Not even in the market for this box (have a Simplifier DLX) but this is some of the best and most interesting music I've heard in a video like this. Not many people have taste and production chops like this on youtube.
Thanks man. It's a real song that I produced and I repurposed the backing for this. Link in description if you want to hear the alternative version (sung by my wife FWIW)...
How do u like th DLX? I also have the DLX and I’m thinking to try the ToneX. If it’s good it’s staying, if it isn’t that different, I’ll just send it back
Effects being after cab (impulse response) is definitely not a big deal considering that's how the vast majority of albums are produced. Most mixers prefer using stuff like SoundToys or Eventide plugins in their DAW nowadays.
Love Soundtoys for guitars in the studio. But there's just something slightly different about delays and reverbs hitting the power amp and being shaped by the speaker alongside the dry signal, to just applying affects to the final guitar tone - in the room, it's just a bit different. NBD as you say, but I think it's worth being aware of
Not completely true. I rarely place time based effects in series after a cab. I use aux sends instead for recording which is the more traditional way of doing it. If I was to use this live I’d have to have a switcher with a parallel path or a mixer.
EVH even live applied effects after the cabinet. He had a mic’d cab for his dry sound and also went into a attenuator and cab sim then to wet effects. So, definitely most sounds you hear, a lot even live, are after cabinet.
Time based effects can be swapped with IR without any real effects on the signal. It cannot however be swapped with an actual cab/mic sequence (there will be some difference). IR however is NOT a cab and mic. It is a very good simulation of cab and mic. You can move the delays and verbs up and down the chain with ir, you'll be fine.
Jon, thanks for this video I've been kinda thinking about picking up the Tonex pedal for a while you just convinced me, I have a lot of the same pedals so now I'am all in ,anyway great job and crazy good playing!!!
I've owned all the major players in the modeling game and gigged with the kemper off/on for a decade and the thing with the kemper is that it's practically unbeatable from a core foundational tone perspective. None of the others (axefx, helix, QC) get the feel of playing through a real amp as right as the Kemper does and none of them take drive pedals in front as naturally as the Kemper and none of the others drive/boosts that are built in sound natural the way a decent analog boost in front of the kemper sounds. With that out of the way, I ended up using external delay/chorus, etc pedals in the kemper loop and a nice analog boost in front and it was great. The best way to think of the kemper is like a nice digital amp and that is all. Just ignore everything else and treat it like a guitar amp head. The nice and easy to use controller, the morphing, the desktop software, the tone profiling, etc are all just added bonuses. At the end of the day though, I went back to just using a great tube amp on stage but with the Torpedo captor X so I don't have to rely on a cab/mic and I can get a consistent tone in the PA and my IEM's.
I’m running this to replace the amp block in my multi effect, as long as you run the TONEX as a DI capture you can put delays and effects after it with a cab ir box and it’s perfect :)
Thx for this video! I own both a Kemper and a newly purchased ToneX pedal with the software running on my computer. I love both in terms of quality of amp captures. But in terms of speed, I profiles 12 amp profiles while ToneX was working on only one in the same time. In addition to that I think the two products are not comparable, because the Kemper is a one-stop-shop, while the ToneX pedal is only one modular component that doesn't have all the Kemper features.
I'm running my ToneX in the loop of my HX Stomp with the cab sim on the ToneX globally turned off - in that way, I can pre-amps and post-amp effects in the Stomp, with the ToneX just providing the amp tones. If want to a cab sim, I can use the cabs/IRs on the Stomp, but since at the end of my chain I've got a Blackstar Amped-1, I can go straight to a guitar cab and/or use the cab-sims on the Blackstar itself with the XLR out.
At the moment, I've no put the ToneX through anything that requires a cab sim as I'm going into a poweramp and real guitar cabinet, so I honestly couldn't say.
see I used to play an Iridium and since I go to a poweramp and onto a guitar speaker cab, I turned cab sim off on the Iridium. sounded better to me. So I'd expect to be turning off cab sim on the Tonex and stick wet fx between Tonex and poweramp.
did you feel the amps felt or sounded better than your axe fx iii ones? I'm thinking about using tonex to add as an fx block to my fm3 so I can have dual amp setups..
@@leifpearson5205 yes I must admit tonex sounds MUCH closer to real amps... BUT AF3 amps still are very good to. in my case Tonex gives me the right feel of my slo and JP2C
Thanks. I feel like I’m out here in my own saying that effects before power amp and cab and mic is different to at the very end of the chain. That might be because people don’t really care which in itself may be informative.
Thanks man. It's a real song that I produced and I repurposed the backing for this. Link in description if you want to hear the alternative version (sung by my wife FWIW)...
The only real catch with the ToneX, which is the same issue with the Kemper, and that's that it only has a mono input, and you can only use one amp profile. Obviously only minor complaints though.
So good to someone credible challenging the hype of the superiority of Kemper. I've been tempted to dive deeper into these Ampltube hardware units ...now I am seriously considering it, thanks!
I just came across this because I’m a Kemper user who was considering the jump to Quad Cortex and now ToneX broke through the wall and disrupted the entire amp modeling/profiling market. Just one question… HOW IS YOUR CHANNEL NOT BIGGER??? you’re great. Insta sub
game over lol I have both of these too, Kemper is far superior, IK with it's two apps and cumbersome processes is way behind imo, ToneX sounds great too but damn it's a pain in the ass to use compared to Kemper, ToneX can't even get a simple spillover happening? Even with the latest update???. Great video, thanks. Amazing times indeed, it's a wonderful thing being a guitar player right now, we are so spoiled for choice, it's quite possible that people according to the internet as you put it, are favouring ToneX as it's way cheaper, my old man wasn't right about everything but he was when he taught me this - buy cheap, buy twice lol. I dig them both, I really do, but the K is my choice over the T ;)
I never had a Kemper or Helix. I was going to get one, start checking out stuff and I seen this pedal and just ordered it tonight. Man I am excited! I did the PODxt modeling years ago and I just went back to pedals after it took a dump and I lost EVERYTHING in seconds! ,... because I enjoy the dance of pedals.
@@JonWrightMusicTV It will be here Monday from zZounds. I'm still keeping my big amps and pedals. But I am going to hopefully be able to do some videos again and record better sound with the TONEX. Micing cabs and recording them is not my thing and not very consistent if a mic moves.
When using an IR, placing reverb or delay before the IR is the same as placing it after. In the mathematical nuts and bolts, IRs are linear transforms, so they will give the same result regardless of order with other linear effects. (Anyone who is skeptical of this, please try it with your own modeler and do a null test. No need to spend more money on an external IR loader for TONEX because unless you’re putting nonlinear effects like distortion, overdrives or compressors between the cab and IR, it doesn’t matter if they’re pre- or post-IR.)
@@JonWrightMusicTV Nah, I didn’t forget it. I’m just not aware of any amp modeler that lets you insert effects between the modeled pre-amp and modeled power amp. You can only put them between the amp and cab, or after the cab. And if it’s using an IR for the cab (or any other linear transform cab model), then it doesn’t matter if delays and reverbs go pre-cab or post-cab. It’s the equivalent of A*B=B*A.
Well, ignored then. The power amp can make a big difference to how your effects sound - you might well have a level boost in the loop that pushes the power amp into more compression. Amplitube itself allows you to put effects between the pre and power amps. I agree it’s not common in other devices and probably not an issue for many people but it’s not zero difference at all. I even went through the process of showing you how actually it didn’t bother me - maybe you didn’t get that far into the video.
@@JonWrightMusicTV Ah, I didn’t know Amplitube has a true loop insert between the pre and power amp. That’s very cool and it might be the only modeling package out there that does that. Even the AxeFX doesn’t have that capability and neither does the Helix. I did get that far in your video. I just see the misconception about pre or post-IR come up a lot, and wanted people to know that it actually doesn’t matter in most cases. I’ve seen a number of people considering using an external IR loader pedal with TONEX for this very reason and don’t want them spending money for something that won’t change the end result. I see now that I should’ve been more careful in how I phrased my last couple sentences, though. I didn’t mean “you” specifically; I meant it broadly to other people who read the comment who might be skeptical, they should test it themselves so they will be convinced. Sorry if it sounded a bit confrontational, and I’ll edit it to make it sound less so.
You could use a Captor X after the board before your DI, which would enable you to put your delay and reverb before the cab/mic IR if you like, but it sounds good either way.
@@JonWrightMusicTV Agree. However, I have been using mine on my pedalboard in loop 2 of the GT1000 core anyway, which enables me to put pedals before or after it in any order I like. So it hasn’t been a deal breaker for me yet. But yes, it would have been nice if they included it. Maybe v2 will someday.
7:55 About not being perfect, since they now announced the update with modulation, reverbs and delays, and being able to actually have them in the FX loop in front of the speaker/microphone instead of after it, that basically makes it perfect right?
Those dinosaurs have lost a lot of money since Tonex came out. The best amp captures in Tonex are just better, more authentic sounding than competition.
@@JonWrightMusicTV I think the reason I skip a lot is because Guitartubers fall into two categories: classic rock/blues or metal. Nothing wrong with that, I love blues, but I don't listen to it in my day to day. They also tend to noodle, but this was a fully produced song with a jazz fusion flavor, love it. I would legit listen to an album of this. All guitar only albums used to be thing, not so much these days 😢. Oh and as others have said, killer videography (this is coming from a videographer). I don't know of any other prominent Guitartubers using a motorized slider 😄. Cheers from the US.
I have no issue with having to delays in the signal chain after the cab sim, as I typically prefer that sound (delays in DAW) but they will tend to sound brighter with all other things being equal, because the cab IR will roll off high end. But a good analog delay will be doing that anyway, or an eq setting could account for that even on digital delay.
Thanks for the video, great introduction. Got mine ordered, looking forward to integrate it with my Line 6 Helix. Especially for recording, got to work through tons of amp sounds then... 😂. But it's indeed an amazing deal. About the placing of Reverb and Delay, never bothered me in the Helix or Fractal, there usually always place them after amp and cap with mic...
I use my Tonex with a Headrush gig board . Guitar into the Headrush, using the head rushes effects. Just like you would with an amp (pre and post). I run the Tonex thru the effects loop of the Headrush. Complete heaven. I used to run an Ampere Stomp 2 in place of the Headrush gig board because of the size, however the Headresh effects dominated so had to sacrifice with bigger unit. Plus I can set separate stomps per scene. Great stuff!
Effects loops were added to guitar amps to approximate what it's like when you add modulation/time effects to a recorded guitar sound (post microphone) in the studio.
Yes this is a good point, thank you! I'm sure there is (or will be) a 'channel strip' tone model. You can certainly deactivate the cab part so although I haven 't tried it, I think you should be good to get a pretty neutral sound, and with the Depth and Presence controls plus the EQ, the tone shaping options should be decent. But I can't promise that.
One option: Disable the cabs and IRs- removing the mic modeling-and run through delay/reverb. Use an IR pedal (like the one from TwoNotes) at the end of the chain. Not perfect, but it’ll get you pretty close and still within budget compared to the alternatives.
I see so so so so many tutorials on this and that and had many bits and pieces and what’s interesting is this. The main take aways I got here was the massive impact of 1) skill and feel playing 2) pickups on guitar - the “flavour” of many distortions really matters to an extent but sorted with 2 pedals - once you’ve got a whole band your got to balance the entire band anyway but.. it’s all about the punters - so much work and in reality an overdrive and delay and decent playing and 99.9% of punters wouldn’t know the difference- I remember seeing the Who live. Guitar sound best ever wall of fenders aimed into each other with a row of mikes. Unbelievable sound. I just have told this to 100 people and they just look blank as they can’t hear it. - learn how to play for your own sound - I’ve worked my sound to such a simpler place and it’s often enhanced by which guitar you choose / and even tunings - capo.. it’s cool and handy but it’s right you can tinker for months. Still need to have a decent song to play/ or write
For me, I've just gone 'the other way'. That is, we toured Japan (and done one-off fly dates) with just a USB stick and a hired Kemper from the backing company. I don't want to have to travel with a pedal board or have to fuss with things changing every night. The lack of at least a delay in the ToneX limits it too much for me to replace the Kemper.
Yeah that's a nice solution - though I would be nervous about USB/reliability as I've had some flakey USB-related behaviour. Sounds like it worked out!
Actually, on a negative note, I installed their free software and it played havoc with my otherwise faultless PC. It locked up my USB interface for some inexplicable reason, and some of the sounds took an eternity to load. They would also often load (in Studio One) and I would hear it, but it would not show in the mixer as a plug-in.
Oh man, that's not fun. I'm not about to try to diagnose but hope you figured it out. Re the noise (Dave) this might be about interface and so on - the dirty amps are not in themselves particularly noisy in my experience
You are absoutely wrong about the non clicky like button, how would you know how loud it was when I smashed it?! Thank you, that gave me a lot of good information. I have an IR-200, but I will be selling it. Sounds great, stereo and all - but it only takes distortion pedals in front with really low gain settings, which is less than ideal for my usecase
As a backup, our guitar player is using Boss IR200 in his pedalboard. All stompboxes thru this device and when playing thru real amp, Boss has everthing off (amp, cab, reverb). When real amp is useles (little pubs) he just has to push 3 buttons and Boss do the job.
at 5:26 there is a pretty great side arm shot. Amazing playing btw. But that side arm is next level. subbed for more vids, hopefully more side arm. Would you consider using your side arm for ad space? For real though, that intro solo is nuts and I will be back for more. Great content.
Thanks Jay! Worry not: all the while I'm filming myself, recordings guitar tracks, with 2-3 cameras, and needing to cut away to hide an edit, there is a high chance there will be arm shots.
I love my kemper for live playing - in the room - using their Kones - the QC doesn't sound that great in the room (nice on Monitors). So does the Tonex play real in the room - or sounds like a miked up amp (great for monitor and recording).
I ran the ToneX through a DXR10 in the room (with the 'FOH" eq switch engaged) while I was recording and found it quite vibey. I do exactly the same with the Kemper and preferred the ToneX BUT it's not the same as the Kone. I think if you just don't like profiles through FRFR speakers, this will not be very different. As always though, a great speaker and a great profile/tone model that works for you, should be pretty sweet
Really wish this had either or a trs input or an effects loop. That would have made it integrate with any pedal board. If you want to use it as an interface as it is designed, everything has to go prior to the input of the ToneX. Same for using it with pedals and headphones. For me it's a big miss. For others maybe just fine.
TRS input would have been great. As you say, some won't care and without knowing what percentage of people want to run it they'd be doubling the required processing power to have dual signals, which means cost. But yeah, I feel ya!
I will be waiting to see if IK multimedia addresses these issues in a Quick fashion, Maybe a slightly higher prices PRO unit, which addresses what they missed this 1st time. And watching to see if they work to keep up with support.
Dude, i had a ToneX, it is back in the shop right now. Hyped pedal. Got the Kemper player. Awesome! Who like profiling? I profiled three amps with my Kemper profiler 7 years ago, never profiled again. There are sooo many good profiles on the market these days so why try to invent the wheel again?
This a great video. Not just for the content but the delivery too. The British are so much better at using language than any other English speaking group.
Love your play and demo so much! You can use a foot controller like MIDI Captain to save all your hand tuning works during your play. Checked for Strymon Flint you just need a MIDI-EXP to do connect :)
Glad you enjoyed. Yeah I've set up complex switching/control systems before. For this it was just a bit of a jam though and trying to demonstrate the 'live' knob twiddling possible with stomp boxes vs a Kemper/all in one unit
Cab sims, reverbs and delays are linear and time-invariant (unlike distortion pedals and gainy amps), so the order between them doesn’t matter. Mathematically it’s all the same, a+b=b+a. That’s why there’s no need for an effects loop.
Great video and great playing.. I don’t know what I am doing wrong but my drive pedals sound absolutely shit in front of the tonex in comparison to my twin reverb.. When playing at home it sounds ok but in a band situation the difference between real amp and tonex is big..
I have this now and again and I think for me it’s a perceptual thing. When experimenting with amps and pedals, the variation in sound can be so vast that moving between them is jarring and some pedals just don’t go with some amps. What do you experience when you move to a band situation?
Thanks for the info. It's never going to replace the Kemper for me live... but I'm not a pro, only semi. The ToneX seems to be quite a different beast. I now have two Kempers, one powered, and I got a Stage for redundancy - I sold a Helix LT to get it. ToneX really needs a 'plus plus' version that encapsulates what the Kemper has, for live use, for me to ever consider it. I really don't want masses of pedals, for example, I never use my own OCD anymore, and the other KPA effects are absolutely good enough for me... Perhaps they will produce something like that one day. I think the ToneX will sit well maybe in an HX Stomp environment? Or full pedal board, I don't know. As for the tones themselves, I accept yours (and others') opinion that it is 'better', but Joe Public is never going to notice that level of distinction. I suspect it's more appropriate to make those distinctions in a studio environment. I just search for and find the profiles that sound fabulous, inspire me, and like I'm playing through a 'real' amp. A thought - delays after the speakers should be Ok in most cases, I would imagine... don't they record that way in studios (record a full signal chain dry, add ambients after)? What concerns me more really is that there are now a couple of mooted 'Kemper Killers' out there now (e.g. QC), but Kemper themselves have gone VERY quiet. They need to up their game perhaps and find a voice again to counter the competition. I am happy to take their excellent OS and Rig Manager updates, but what next? What are they up to?? I can't help wondering!
Kemper is as good as the profiles you're using. And it is an all in one solution. Comparing apples and oranges could never make this a "Kemper killer".
@@JonWrightMusicTV 100%. I've had my Kemper for about 5 years and never used the actual profiler element of it. Also never used the MIDI at all, but I know some folk will. I use it live (into FOH desk and monitor) and for recording (SPDIF out). I'd happily take a cut-down version of it.
That sounds awesome brother! I think the digital and analog have smeared their existences as one! LOL I've used solid-state gear my entire life, even in this preamp that had two 12x7 tubes in it! So I put two of the AMT Solid-State Warm Stone 12sWS to replace the tubes! It sounds 100% better than ever too! Tube amps have been ancient technology since the 80's anyways!
I'm detecting a tinge of influential contemporary flavors of David Gilmour in your soundscape, and I mean that in the BEST way possible. Wicked tones mate. Cheers!
I have always run stereo effects after whichever amp modeler I’m using and never had an issue. This looks like a good sound upgrade from the Iridium or HX Stomp which I have been using.
hi. its direct captures profile or not? I have 3w power amp and real cabinet. where I can find Engl Savage mk1 and mk2 direct profiles for Tonex? thanks
Hey! I have a question: Do I need the Tonex pedal to be able to use my pedalboard with tonex or can i use my pedalboard with the tonex plug-in somehow? I don’t play guitar live since I’m mainly a drummer so I’m thinking of selling my deluxe reverb tonemaster and use tonex when I record guitar instead.
You could run your pedalboard into your interface for sure. Not to be an IK advertisement but for convenience you could consider Amplitube which has a stompbox-amp-cab-room workflow all ITB. It's a cost, but the stomps and studio effects are good. Or stick with the board you have and just run into the Tonex plugin
woah. the videography, the tones, the playing, you deserve all the success you're gonna get with this channel!
That’s very kind. I think it’s consistent video output that’s the most difficult thing for me
+1 for The Gold Standard™for Video Production!
@@JonWrightMusicTV That's the main reason why i didn't jump into a YT channel of my owm, u know.. I didn't want to HAVE to make a video, just for the sake of putting it out and keeping the Logs going...
Judging from what u present(ed) here.. , and this is the 1st time i watch a video of yours..... i would stick to whatever you want to say.. and not worry about numbers..
I've been following quite a few guys that dove into this, a few years ago... and focused on quality. And their numbers are growing.. whilst others burn out too quickly.
Honestly, as a hot / "impulsed" feedback i wanna give you.. right now.. is that i wish that we lived close to each other. Perhaps we could collaborate on some of these videos. U seem to have sort of complementary approach to what i would have.
So, all the best in the world. Don't give up, keep at it.. whatever little videos a month you're able to put out.
Like me, there will be those who have subscribed, and will listen to whatever you have to say, whenever you will be able to say it ;) .
Kudos from Portugal Jon
PS: that E-H Soul Food sounds brilliant , despite the lack of loudness that might be put out.
Forget the tonex or kemper or any of that. This dudes playing...man. Thank you for your creative contributions to the world. Being able to manage your sounds on the fly and remain consistently on fire with your technique, absurd and terrifying and wonderful.
Oh man that's very kind. I feel the playing is kind of janky and it was all a bit of a 'that'll do' rush. So I appreciate the encouragement!
yeah he is good
What you SAID, the actual most important part. he does know how to Record a REAL NICE TRACK. The layering is super.
Agreed.
First track is haunting.
OMG!!! What an awesome demo! No matter what plugin you play, with your fingers everything sounds awesome!!! Unbelievable good tone! That's the secret of your great sound.
That's really kind Dirk, thanks!
Thanks!
Thanks so much for this. You are the only person ever to do a super thanks, currently!
I cant get over how well these videos are made. Brilliant playing, of course, but also the feeling, camerawork and lighting. Great to watch, thank you!
That's really appreciated, thank you
Even though this particular product doesn't interest me, I'm super stoked to see you back! Your videos look amazing and you're a charming presenter. This channel deserves to be way bigger.
Thank you so much!!
The presence of a loop and a balanced output (XLR) would make this pedal an absolute winner
Strongly agree
A loop would cost money (extra ADDA converters) and would add latency (ok, no need to discuss that...), but most of all with those extra connections IKMM would have to come up with a new housing and PCB instead of using those of the X-Gear series - which is probably the main reason why they can offer this thing for so little money.
I rather wish it was smaller.
the freaking FX Loop that people everytime forget, it's so simple, IK just would put some freaking FXLoop on something if they made a 2k euro machine.
Why an fx loop? Just out modulations delays and reverbs after it and that's it.
Winter NAMM 2025 Tonex MKII 😅
Wow I am blown away by the your demo song. Really top notch playing and mixing.
Ah man, thank you very much
sounds killer with or with out delay, exquisite playing sir. just got a tonex absolutely blown away
Bet you feel like a Kid in a Candy Store. IT is amazing.
Cheers Qual!
I came for the ToneX pedal. Got blown away by that intro track. I loved the video and your straight to the point approach. Subbed 🤟
Thanks man, welcome to the club. Expect approximate one video every two months 😂
@@JonWrightMusicTV No problem. I'll keep watching this one over and over 😂. Seriously, it was that good.
Best demo and explanation of this pedal yet. Thank you!
Thanks!
i came for the demo but stayed for the music! dude wtf you came out of nowhere with some amazing playing!
You're very kind man, thanks
Cracking video Jon!!!
All hail JNC! Thanks mate
If the effects after the mic are really a problem, you could run the presets without an IR simulation in the ToneX, then go out, through all your effects, and then into a CAB M for your IR. That would simulate a traditional amp setup, and you get some of the best IR simulation and control together with this amazing ToneX modelling.
I hear you, but this effects loop/IR thing is something I’m going to cover in another video
I haven't watched every review of the Tonex pedal. But I have watched quite a few. Yours is the first that shows you can play at bedroom sound levels. There's a lot of us bedroom guitarists, and that's an important feature. Thank you for that!
Yes, and I should probably have made a bit more of that. With the right sound it's really quite satisfying in the room even at normal volumes
The feeling that you pour into your playing is spectacular. Incredibly expressive. I was captivated & totally forgot that this was a product review.
Don't froget the incredible video editing. Do you think this was done in one take?
That's really kind, thank you. I try to make music that I actually care about.
Each different sound was one take each, except the solo: I dropped in for the fast bit which is why the camera angle changes there
Stunning mate. Makes me happy to see you still doing your thing, hope you guys are well x
We are thanks mate, and likewise. So lovey to hear from you! x
Great video Jon - EPIC playing in the intro - WooooooooOOOOHHH!!
Bless you man! Appreciate the support x
Took me 3 watches of the intro song to finally get into the demo. What a great song!
Ah thank you! That's nice to read. It's a real song that I produced and I repurposed the backing for this. Link in description if you want to hear the alternative version (sung by my wife)...
Subscribed. Amazing stuff~
Awesome, thank you!
Whoo boy that solo SLAPPED. You earned the guitarist bend face I made for. Sure.
Thanks for recognising the bend face. It was a good 2-step one and hurt ever so slightly
I just started researching the Tonex. Just wow! THIS was the presentation to see! Thank you!
You're so welcome!
@@JonWrightMusicTV From your review, I then researched several others! I then pulled the trigger and got one! Joy of joys! Absolutely spectacular technology! Wow do I wish I had had one of these back on the road with my Band in the 1970's! But better late than never on this end of life too! Again, my sincere thanks for your very highly entertaining effort! Highest regards and best wishes!
2 Month ago i bought the Ampero Hotone 2 and never looked back to my amp. I integrated my whole pedalboard around that device and i‘m more than happy 👌🏼
Happy days!
Iv been looking at the ampero 2 stage, how does it compare to line6 helix or other multi effects?
At this price point, I see players possibly buying 2 units.... running wet dry or stereo. You have a backup unit if one goes down and you still spent half the price of a Kemper or Quad Cortex. Then profile your own collection of drive pedals and build them into the presets so u can carry a mini to medium sized pedalboard with the 2 units, delay, reverb, modulation, and a midi controller/switcher.
Or using one unit to FOH and one to feed a cab on stage... I want a dual unit - the ToneXL
nice playing, nice tones - I enjoyed that - thanks for sharing!
Thanks for listening
I’ve been looking into the tonex and kemper player.. stumbled upon this review.
Your phrasing and tone are delightful 👏🏼
just found the channel, love the playing in this intro badass!
Welcome aboard! Thank you
This was fun to watch. By that I mean: yes, great info, but I really enjoyed the presentation style. It made me smile. :)
Ah that’s cool. Glad you enjoyed it!
Not even in the market for this box (have a Simplifier DLX) but this is some of the best and most interesting music I've heard in a video like this. Not many people have taste and production chops like this on youtube.
Thanks man. It's a real song that I produced and I repurposed the backing for this. Link in description if you want to hear the alternative version (sung by my wife FWIW)...
How do u like th DLX? I also have the DLX and I’m thinking to try the ToneX. If it’s good it’s staying, if it isn’t that different, I’ll just send it back
Effects being after cab (impulse response) is definitely not a big deal considering that's how the vast majority of albums are produced. Most mixers prefer using stuff like SoundToys or Eventide plugins in their DAW nowadays.
Love Soundtoys for guitars in the studio. But there's just something slightly different about delays and reverbs hitting the power amp and being shaped by the speaker alongside the dry signal, to just applying affects to the final guitar tone - in the room, it's just a bit different. NBD as you say, but I think it's worth being aware of
@@JonWrightMusicTV My solution is to conec in the Fx loop of my Hx stomp (that i have) And the Tonex is on his way home. Can't wait 🤤
Not completely true. I rarely place time based effects in series after a cab. I use aux sends instead for recording which is the more traditional way of doing it. If I was to use this live I’d have to have a switcher with a parallel path or a mixer.
EVH even live applied effects after the cabinet. He had a mic’d cab for his dry sound and also went into a attenuator and cab sim then to wet effects. So, definitely most sounds you hear, a lot even live, are after cabinet.
Time based effects can be swapped with IR without any real effects on the signal.
It cannot however be swapped with an actual cab/mic sequence (there will be some difference). IR however is NOT a cab and mic. It is a very good simulation of cab and mic. You can move the delays and verbs up and down the chain with ir, you'll be fine.
Jon, thanks for this video I've been kinda thinking about picking up the Tonex pedal for a while you just convinced me, I have a lot of the same pedals so now I'am all in ,anyway great job and crazy good playing!!!
Did you go for it in the end?
I've owned all the major players in the modeling game and gigged with the kemper off/on for a decade and the thing with the kemper is that it's practically unbeatable from a core foundational tone perspective. None of the others (axefx, helix, QC) get the feel of playing through a real amp as right as the Kemper does and none of them take drive pedals in front as naturally as the Kemper and none of the others drive/boosts that are built in sound natural the way a decent analog boost in front of the kemper sounds.
With that out of the way, I ended up using external delay/chorus, etc pedals in the kemper loop and a nice analog boost in front and it was great. The best way to think of the kemper is like a nice digital amp and that is all. Just ignore everything else and treat it like a guitar amp head.
The nice and easy to use controller, the morphing, the desktop software, the tone profiling, etc are all just added bonuses.
At the end of the day though, I went back to just using a great tube amp on stage but with the Torpedo captor X so I don't have to rely on a cab/mic and I can get a consistent tone in the PA and my IEM's.
Sounds like you're pretty happy with your rig - good place to be! I'm just beginning to get into the world of IRs for live (outside of the Kemper)
I’m running this to replace the amp block in my multi effect, as long as you run the TONEX as a DI capture you can put delays and effects after it with a cab ir box and it’s perfect :)
Great video Jon. To the point, honest, and extremely informative. Thank you!
Thank you sir, that's always the aim
Fantastic tones. My Tonex pedal arrives later today. Can't wait!
Enjoy!
Thx for this video! I own both a Kemper and a newly purchased ToneX pedal with the software running on my computer. I love both in terms of quality of amp captures. But in terms of speed, I profiles 12 amp profiles while ToneX was working on only one in the same time. In addition to that I think the two products are not comparable, because the Kemper is a one-stop-shop, while the ToneX pedal is only one modular component that doesn't have all the Kemper features.
Don't disagree with you here
Nice vid, nice playing, nice tones. No over the top wrestling style commentary. I dig it. Subbed and looking forward to more from the channel.
Nice to have you Tim, and thanks for the kind words
I'm running my ToneX in the loop of my HX Stomp with the cab sim on the ToneX globally turned off - in that way, I can pre-amps and post-amp effects in the Stomp, with the ToneX just providing the amp tones. If want to a cab sim, I can use the cabs/IRs on the Stomp, but since at the end of my chain I've got a Blackstar Amped-1, I can go straight to a guitar cab and/or use the cab-sims on the Blackstar itself with the XLR out.
That's a nice compact solution!
How does it sound with cab from stomp compare to tonex?
At the moment, I've no put the ToneX through anything that requires a cab sim as I'm going into a poweramp and real guitar cabinet, so I honestly couldn't say.
see I used to play an Iridium and since I go to a poweramp and onto a guitar speaker cab, I turned cab sim off on the Iridium. sounded better to me. So I'd expect to be turning off cab sim on the Tonex and stick wet fx between Tonex and poweramp.
Had the exact same experience. Now ToneX is into my AxefxIII loop. Using AxefxIII IR
MIDI sync between them?
@@JonWrightMusicTV yes
did you feel the amps felt or sounded better than your axe fx iii ones? I'm thinking about using tonex to add as an fx block to my fm3 so I can have dual amp setups..
@@leifpearson5205 yes I must admit tonex sounds MUCH closer to real amps... BUT AF3 amps still are very good to. in my case Tonex gives me the right feel of my slo and JP2C
This is literally like the only video I've seen in YT that speaks to how the effects loop ACTUALLY works and what it means for things like the Tonex
Thanks. I feel like I’m out here in my own saying that effects before power amp and cab and mic is different to at the very end of the chain. That might be because people don’t really care which in itself may be informative.
Dude...that was a great track, smoked it🔥 Thanks for sharing!
Thanks man. It's a real song that I produced and I repurposed the backing for this. Link in description if you want to hear the alternative version (sung by my wife FWIW)...
@@JonWrightMusicTV Ahh I see now! Really great stuff you guys are doing!!
The only real catch with the ToneX, which is the same issue with the Kemper, and that's that it only has a mono input, and you can only use one amp profile. Obviously only minor complaints though.
I agree. I'd like a ToneX Pro with dual amps and an FX loop - imagine that's going to be a bigger box and extra processing though...
So good to someone credible challenging the hype of the superiority of Kemper. I've been tempted to dive deeper into these Ampltube hardware units ...now I am seriously considering it, thanks!
Same here. I’ve only tried the X-time delay pedal but I’m really curious about the drive…
I am only a few minutes in, just listening to the music, and had to give a like already. Awesome jam!
Much appreciated!
U are a master of your craft my friend. I thoroughly enjoyed 😉
Thank you so much 😀
I just came across this because I’m a Kemper user who was considering the jump to Quad Cortex and now ToneX broke through the wall and disrupted the entire amp modeling/profiling market. Just one question… HOW IS YOUR CHANNEL NOT BIGGER??? you’re great. Insta sub
Ha! Thanks for that. It’s mad how many views this video has, hard to get my head round.
No effects loop for live playing sucks, studio it is great
@@jittboy1 watch Tone Junkies new vid … everyone’s misunderstanding this.
Same here. 😊
Hee hee you came across it
This sold me! For a live show should I use a powered speaker? I know I can do straight to the board too
Personally I would, as I like the physical interaction of the speaker and the strings. Make it feel more like a real amp...
Amazing playing and great tone. I'm planning on getting a Tonex to run with my Helix at home and with my HX Stomp when I'm on the go.
Thanks v much. Nice combo
game over lol I have both of these too, Kemper is far superior, IK with it's two apps and cumbersome processes is way behind imo, ToneX sounds great too but damn it's a pain in the ass to use compared to Kemper, ToneX can't even get a simple spillover happening? Even with the latest update???. Great video, thanks. Amazing times indeed, it's a wonderful thing being a guitar player right now, we are so spoiled for choice, it's quite possible that people according to the internet as you put it, are favouring ToneX as it's way cheaper, my old man wasn't right about everything but he was when he taught me this - buy cheap, buy twice lol. I dig them both, I really do, but the K is my choice over the T ;)
How did I just now find your channel? Very well done! Subscribed!
You’re here now and that’s what counts.
I never had a Kemper or Helix. I was going to get one, start checking out stuff and I seen this pedal and just ordered it tonight. Man I am excited! I did the PODxt modeling years ago and I just went back to pedals after it took a dump and I lost EVERYTHING in seconds! ,... because I enjoy the dance of pedals.
Ah the Pod XT... probably a blessing in disguise! I'm with you, I love pedals and the immediacy of them - hope the ToneX works out for you
@@JonWrightMusicTV It will be here Monday from zZounds. I'm still keeping my big amps and pedals. But I am going to hopefully be able to do some videos again and record better sound with the TONEX. Micing cabs and recording them is not my thing and not very consistent if a mic moves.
When using an IR, placing reverb or delay before the IR is the same as placing it after. In the mathematical nuts and bolts, IRs are linear transforms, so they will give the same result regardless of order with other linear effects.
(Anyone who is skeptical of this, please try it with your own modeler and do a null test. No need to spend more money on an external IR loader for TONEX because unless you’re putting nonlinear effects like distortion, overdrives or compressors between the cab and IR, it doesn’t matter if they’re pre- or post-IR.)
You’re forgetting the power amp
@@JonWrightMusicTV Nah, I didn’t forget it. I’m just not aware of any amp modeler that lets you insert effects between the modeled pre-amp and modeled power amp. You can only put them between the amp and cab, or after the cab. And if it’s using an IR for the cab (or any other linear transform cab model), then it doesn’t matter if delays and reverbs go pre-cab or post-cab. It’s the equivalent of A*B=B*A.
Well, ignored then. The power amp can make a big difference to how your effects sound - you might well have a level boost in the loop that pushes the power amp into more compression.
Amplitube itself allows you to put effects between the pre and power amps. I agree it’s not common in other devices and probably not an issue for many people but it’s not zero difference at all. I even went through the process of showing you how actually it didn’t bother me - maybe you didn’t get that far into the video.
@@JonWrightMusicTV Ah, I didn’t know Amplitube has a true loop insert between the pre and power amp. That’s very cool and it might be the only modeling package out there that does that. Even the AxeFX doesn’t have that capability and neither does the Helix.
I did get that far in your video. I just see the misconception about pre or post-IR come up a lot, and wanted people to know that it actually doesn’t matter in most cases. I’ve seen a number of people considering using an external IR loader pedal with TONEX for this very reason and don’t want them spending money for something that won’t change the end result.
I see now that I should’ve been more careful in how I phrased my last couple sentences, though. I didn’t mean “you” specifically; I meant it broadly to other people who read the comment who might be skeptical, they should test it themselves so they will be convinced. Sorry if it sounded a bit confrontational, and I’ll edit it to make it sound less so.
You could use a Captor X after the board before your DI, which would enable you to put your delay and reverb before the cab/mic IR if you like, but it sounds good either way.
Be nice if it was all in one box though wouldn't it...
@@JonWrightMusicTV Agree. However, I have been using mine on my pedalboard in loop 2 of the GT1000 core anyway, which enables me to put pedals before or after it in any order I like. So it hasn’t been a deal breaker for me yet. But yes, it would have been nice if they included it. Maybe v2 will someday.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
7:55 About not being perfect, since they now announced the update with modulation, reverbs and delays, and being able to actually have them in the FX loop in front of the speaker/microphone instead of after it, that basically makes it perfect right?
15 seconds into the video, already subscribed. Must be a record for me.
Thanks mate!
WOw, the intro was pretty cool. Like a soundtrack to some film
Thanks mate
Not even close to what a Kemper can do, or Helix, or Fractal. Love the video, and song.
Those dinosaurs have lost a lot of money since Tonex came out. The best amp captures in Tonex are just better, more authentic sounding than competition.
beautiful cinematography
Thanks man
I have a confession to make, I skip TH-camrs play intros...I played this one...twice.
*whispers* me too
Thanks man. Recording/filming these is heavy work (hence some ropey takes making the final edit) so I appreciate the encouragement
@@JonWrightMusicTV I think the reason I skip a lot is because Guitartubers fall into two categories: classic rock/blues or metal. Nothing wrong with that, I love blues, but I don't listen to it in my day to day. They also tend to noodle, but this was a fully produced song with a jazz fusion flavor, love it. I would legit listen to an album of this. All guitar only albums used to be thing, not so much these days 😢.
Oh and as others have said, killer videography (this is coming from a videographer). I don't know of any other prominent Guitartubers using a motorized slider 😄. Cheers from the US.
I have no issue with having to delays in the signal chain after the cab sim, as I typically prefer that sound (delays in DAW) but they will tend to sound brighter with all other things being equal, because the cab IR will roll off high end. But a good analog delay will be doing that anyway, or an eq setting could account for that even on digital delay.
Yep, it’s not a huge deal breaker
Thanks for the video, great introduction. Got mine ordered, looking forward to integrate it with my Line 6 Helix. Especially for recording, got to work through tons of amp sounds then... 😂. But it's indeed an amazing deal. About the placing of Reverb and Delay, never bothered me in the Helix or Fractal, there usually always place them after amp and cap with mic...
Thanks man. Yep, broadly agree with what you’re saying there, NBD
Just subbed, amazing content, love your delivery and mannerisms
Love you too Danny!
I use my Tonex with a Headrush gig board . Guitar into the Headrush, using the head rushes effects. Just like you would with an amp (pre and post). I run the Tonex thru the effects loop of the Headrush. Complete heaven. I used to run an Ampere Stomp 2 in place of the Headrush gig board because of the size, however the Headresh effects dominated so had to sacrifice with bigger unit. Plus I can set separate stomps per scene. Great stuff!
That is exactly what I was thinking of doing
It's a cool solution!
Effects loops were added to guitar amps to approximate what it's like when you add modulation/time effects to a recorded guitar sound (post microphone) in the studio.
Does the ToneX do acoustic patches like the Kemper does? I need to be able to switch and really dislike having multiple boards to contend with.
Yes this is a good point, thank you! I'm sure there is (or will be) a 'channel strip' tone model. You can certainly deactivate the cab part so although I haven 't tried it, I think you should be good to get a pretty neutral sound, and with the Depth and Presence controls plus the EQ, the tone shaping options should be decent. But I can't promise that.
One option: Disable the cabs and IRs- removing the mic modeling-and run through delay/reverb. Use an IR pedal (like the one from TwoNotes) at the end of the chain. Not perfect, but it’ll get you pretty close and still within budget compared to the alternatives.
Absolutely. It would just be GREAT if it were contained within one relatively affordable pedal!
I was just thinking that and run it into the effects return of my real amp.
lovely playing mister
Thank you mate!
I see so so so so many tutorials on this and that and had many bits and pieces and what’s interesting is this. The main take aways I got here was the massive impact of 1) skill and feel playing 2) pickups on guitar - the “flavour” of many distortions really matters to an extent but sorted with 2 pedals - once you’ve got a whole band your got to balance the entire band anyway but.. it’s all about the punters - so much work and in reality an overdrive and delay and decent playing and 99.9% of punters wouldn’t know the difference- I remember seeing the Who live. Guitar sound best ever wall of fenders aimed into each other with a row of mikes. Unbelievable sound. I just have told this to 100 people and they just look blank as they can’t hear it. - learn how to play for your own sound - I’ve worked my sound to such a simpler place and it’s often enhanced by which guitar you choose / and even tunings - capo.. it’s cool and handy but it’s right you can tinker for months. Still need to have a decent song to play/ or write
Thanks for sharing this perspective
This tune is so good. Amazing.
Glad you like. Link in description!
For me, I've just gone 'the other way'. That is, we toured Japan (and done one-off fly dates) with just a USB stick and a hired Kemper from the backing company.
I don't want to have to travel with a pedal board or have to fuss with things changing every night.
The lack of at least a delay in the ToneX limits it too much for me to replace the Kemper.
Buy a delay pedal.......
@@ghostsofatlantisofficial I don't need one.. that was the point
Yeah that's a nice solution - though I would be nervous about USB/reliability as I've had some flakey USB-related behaviour. Sounds like it worked out!
@@JonWrightMusicTV well if you mean the USB stick itself, we carry multiple copies.
Although we haven't had a failure yet.
Cheers dude, nice playing!
Thanks man
TONEX + Amplitube = Finally a SW solution that sounds awesome (and the tonex pedal if you are playing out live).
Yep. The room reverb and effects in AmpliTube are amount my favourites in the virtual world
Actually, on a negative note, I installed their free software and it played havoc with my otherwise faultless PC. It locked up my USB interface for some inexplicable reason, and some of the sounds took an eternity to load. They would also often load (in Studio One) and I would hear it, but it would not show in the mixer as a plug-in.
Oh man, that's not fun. I'm not about to try to diagnose but hope you figured it out.
Re the noise (Dave) this might be about interface and so on - the dirty amps are not in themselves particularly noisy in my experience
You are absoutely wrong about the non clicky like button, how would you know how loud it was when I smashed it?!
Thank you, that gave me a lot of good information. I have an IR-200, but I will be selling it. Sounds great, stereo and all - but it only takes distortion pedals in front with really low gain settings, which is less than ideal for my usecase
Yet more misinformation on TH-cam! Apologies for misleading
As a backup, our guitar player is using Boss IR200 in his pedalboard. All stompboxes thru this device and when playing thru real amp, Boss has everthing off (amp, cab, reverb). When real amp is useles (little pubs) he just has to push 3 buttons and Boss do the job.
Super flexible rig!
Great fingers amd great tones. 👍👍
Thank you, they're my own!
I love the effects on the tonex.
Hmm...
The playing is truly exquisite.
That's very generous
at 5:26 there is a pretty great side arm shot. Amazing playing btw. But that side arm is next level. subbed for more vids, hopefully more side arm. Would you consider using your side arm for ad space? For real though, that intro solo is nuts and I will be back for more. Great content.
Thanks Jay! Worry not: all the while I'm filming myself, recordings guitar tracks, with 2-3 cameras, and needing to cut away to hide an edit, there is a high chance there will be arm shots.
I love my kemper for live playing - in the room - using their Kones - the QC doesn't sound that great in the room (nice on Monitors). So does the Tonex play real in the room - or sounds like a miked up amp (great for monitor and recording).
I ran the ToneX through a DXR10 in the room (with the 'FOH" eq switch engaged) while I was recording and found it quite vibey. I do exactly the same with the Kemper and preferred the ToneX BUT it's not the same as the Kone. I think if you just don't like profiles through FRFR speakers, this will not be very different. As always though, a great speaker and a great profile/tone model that works for you, should be pretty sweet
Really wish this had either or a trs input or an effects loop. That would have made it integrate with any pedal board. If you want to use it as an interface as it is designed, everything has to go prior to the input of the ToneX. Same for using it with pedals and headphones. For me it's a big miss. For others maybe just fine.
TRS input would have been great. As you say, some won't care and without knowing what percentage of people want to run it they'd be doubling the required processing power to have dual signals, which means cost. But yeah, I feel ya!
I will be waiting to see if IK multimedia addresses these issues in a Quick fashion, Maybe a slightly higher prices PRO unit, which addresses what they missed this 1st time. And watching to see if they work to keep up with support.
Excellent video and explanations! thanks
Thanks man
Dude, i had a ToneX, it is back in the shop right now. Hyped pedal. Got the Kemper player. Awesome! Who like profiling? I profiled three amps with my Kemper profiler 7 years ago, never profiled again. There are sooo many good profiles on the market these days so why try to invent the wheel again?
I agree with you - except no-one profiles the ENGL Steve Morse head with an e906 and V30s...
This a great video. Not just for the content but the delivery too. The British are so much better at using language than any other English speaking group.
Ha - thanks for the kind words!
Wow can’t believe it’s the first time I come across this guy. He’s bad ass.
👀
Love your play and demo so much! You can use a foot controller like MIDI Captain to save all your hand tuning works during your play. Checked for Strymon Flint you just need a MIDI-EXP to do connect :)
Glad you enjoyed. Yeah I've set up complex switching/control systems before. For this it was just a bit of a jam though and trying to demonstrate the 'live' knob twiddling possible with stomp boxes vs a Kemper/all in one unit
Cab sims, reverbs and delays are linear and time-invariant (unlike distortion pedals and gainy amps), so the order between them doesn’t matter. Mathematically it’s all the same, a+b=b+a. That’s why there’s no need for an effects loop.
It’s not quite that simple and I’m going to explain why in a vid
@@JonWrightMusicTV OK, looking forward to that.
Great video, great intro tune
Thanks 👍
Great video and great playing..
I don’t know what I am doing wrong but my drive pedals sound absolutely shit in front of the tonex in comparison to my twin reverb..
When playing at home it sounds ok but in a band situation the difference between real amp and tonex is big..
I have this now and again and I think for me it’s a perceptual thing. When experimenting with amps and pedals, the variation in sound can be so vast that moving between them is jarring and some pedals just don’t go with some amps. What do you experience when you move to a band situation?
Man this Tonex is a beast but you're actually giving it everything to sounds good; you play so nice the guitar bro.
Thanks man, I'm trying
Thanks for the info.
It's never going to replace the Kemper for me live... but I'm not a pro, only semi. The ToneX seems to be quite a different beast. I now have two Kempers, one powered, and I got a Stage for redundancy - I sold a Helix LT to get it.
ToneX really needs a 'plus plus' version that encapsulates what the Kemper has, for live use, for me to ever consider it. I really don't want masses of pedals, for example, I never use my own OCD anymore, and the other KPA effects are absolutely good enough for me... Perhaps they will produce something like that one day.
I think the ToneX will sit well maybe in an HX Stomp environment? Or full pedal board, I don't know. As for the tones themselves, I accept yours (and others') opinion that it is 'better', but Joe Public is never going to notice that level of distinction. I suspect it's more appropriate to make those distinctions in a studio environment. I just search for and find the profiles that sound fabulous, inspire me, and like I'm playing through a 'real' amp.
A thought - delays after the speakers should be Ok in most cases, I would imagine... don't they record that way in studios (record a full signal chain dry, add ambients after)?
What concerns me more really is that there are now a couple of mooted 'Kemper Killers' out there now (e.g. QC), but Kemper themselves have gone VERY quiet. They need to up their game perhaps and find a voice again to counter the competition. I am happy to take their excellent OS and Rig Manager updates, but what next? What are they up to?? I can't help wondering!
Yes, I wonder what Kemper are up to. They're a stubborn bunch but surely a Kemper mini would make sense...
Kemper is as good as the profiles you're using. And it is an all in one solution. Comparing apples and oranges could never make this a "Kemper killer".
@@JonWrightMusicTV 100%. I've had my Kemper for about 5 years and never used the actual profiler element of it. Also never used the MIDI at all, but I know some folk will. I use it live (into FOH desk and monitor) and for recording (SPDIF out). I'd happily take a cut-down version of it.
That sounds awesome brother! I think the digital and analog have smeared their existences as one! LOL I've used solid-state gear my entire life, even in this preamp that had two 12x7 tubes in it! So I put two of the AMT Solid-State Warm Stone 12sWS to replace the tubes! It sounds 100% better than ever too! Tube amps have been ancient technology since the 80's anyways!
Great playing man
Cheers!
I'm detecting a tinge of influential contemporary flavors of David Gilmour in your soundscape, and I mean that in the BEST way possible.
Wicked tones mate.
Cheers!
great tone,,and sound demo is very awsome ...
I have always run stereo effects after whichever amp modeler I’m using and never had an issue. This looks like a good sound upgrade from the Iridium or HX Stomp which I have been using.
Same really. Nothing wrong with fx post-cab. I'd say that's a pretty solid assessment of it overall!
hi. its direct captures profile or not? I have 3w power amp and real cabinet. where I can find Engl Savage mk1 and mk2 direct profiles for Tonex? thanks
Hey! I have a question:
Do I need the Tonex pedal to be able to use my pedalboard with tonex or can i use my pedalboard with the tonex plug-in somehow? I don’t play guitar live since I’m mainly a drummer so I’m thinking of selling my deluxe reverb tonemaster and use tonex when I record guitar instead.
You could run your pedalboard into your interface for sure. Not to be an IK advertisement but for convenience you could consider Amplitube which has a stompbox-amp-cab-room workflow all ITB. It's a cost, but the stomps and studio effects are good. Or stick with the board you have and just run into the Tonex plugin
It's a great, detailed video. A year later, do you still like it? Do you still find it as good as you thought last year?
I honestly do. I sold my Kemper a few months later, and use the ToneX live. Now that the Tonex One is out, I use that.