2023 Honda Civic Type R (inc. 0-100, braking & autonomy test) review
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- Going out on a limb here - I think this is the craziest hot hatch on the market. Paul Maric tests out the 2023 Honda Civic Type R and discovers it might just be the king of hot hatches...pretty big call!
Hardness tester, noise and lane keeping results: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
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Intro: 00:00
Exterior: 00:41
Interior: 03:32
Infotainment: 04:58
Safety Tech: 06:40
Practicality: 07:20
On the Road: 10:15
Performance: 17:49
Verdict: 22:16
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This review is under embargo until midnight, which is why we’ve set it as a premiere. Not sure why car companies still do it! But thanks for the patience anyway 😁
Will be a similar embargo in a few years time when Honda announce they're leaving the Australian market.
Honda have had a brain injury since the GFC, their vehicles are irrelevant, and the consumer has much better options. I bought a Honda Accord Euro brand new in 2005. I wouldn't even bother looking at their vehicles now.
@@emmett3067 Agreed.They wanted to pull the pin on Australia in 2020. but instead cut the number of dealerships in half.
CarExpert super misleading on the pricing you guys stated ! Is not 72k “ plus on road “ . If you guys want to do the “ plus on road thingy , put it 60 something k.
Hi Paul, I was waiting for this review. Thank you 😊
What car 🚘 do you have?😅
NO *** WAY! THANK YOU. This is what I’ve been looking for past few month in Australia now. Cannot tell how exited I am! FL5 is greatest type r for me with its design. Cannot wait to watch it ❤🔥
It’s a ripper!
Love your format! Great video as always, Paul 👍 Really love the more refined looks of the FL5 to match the incredible performance carried over and improved from the FK8.
I am looking forward to this review!!! So happy you could get your hands on one of these to review it.
😁
Thank you for the spreadsheet, I hope you can continue to log your tests.
Such a good watch as always! I've had my red FL5 for a few weeks now and freaking love it!
The sound inside the seems to be ridiculous excessive. What's your opinion on this ?
@@wh00t14 You can set the fake noise to "comfort" when in individual mode which drastically reduces the pumped in sound through the speakers. Alternatively, there is fuse I believe that can be removed to stop it completely. Not really bothered by it ATM TBH
So pump for this review! Already have an order in and just need Paul’s tick of approval
Put in my grand, the dealer reckons December 2024. Pain.
This one looks a lot more better than the previous one the body style is more refined and sleeker with a lot less drama I love the looks of it 👍👍
Exactly! Looks much more mature! Will definitely age well.
Agree, but they put the price up so much - so it had to be... unfortunately it's way too expensive for what it is.
This is probably my favorite Hot Hatch right now. I wouldn't even consider any other Hot Hatch this is perfection to me :) (Without taking the price into account 😬)
Great review again Paul. I've seriously considered this as my ICE send-off - and what a way to go! Getting your hands on one in Aus might be problematic though.
ICE ICE Baby! I like your thinking!
Mate what a great video!! Im in love with this car! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
You know it's a seriously impressive hot hatch when Paul can't say a word when he's pushing it to it's limits and enjoying every second of it! 🤣 I do love this design... it's aggressively tasteful! 🤔😜 Sadly, like your old Supra Paul (loved that thing!), it's definitely out of my price range! 😰
Can’t wait to pick mine up on Tuesday 😁
What colour ?
How long did you have to wait for yours?
Finally, honda new design is just killer look
Looks amazing. The only thing I would change is replacing the electric handbrake with a manual one.
Another great review, thou having just watched this and your GR Corolla review, I think you enjoyed (overall) the Toyota.
Love the magpie sounds in the background at the start of the video.
I have the Rallye Red, the car is incredible. The small missing creature comforts are easily forgiven with the overall driving experience. I had a Golf R before this, and you nailed it, Golf was a very capable and comfortable car but felt abit like driving a go kart. The driving experience on the Type R is unmatched in its class IMO.
Great review and it looks like Honda have done well to improve on the previous model.
Imo the cost is too much, but I feel the same about most of these premium hot hatches. A Nissan Z is perhaps more tempting as at least it's rwd and 6 cylinders. Kia Stinger or now Genesis G70 offer similar practicality with rwd and 6 cylinders too.
Not that it matters much. Honda Australia are content selling minimal cars a year and hence there's a near 2 year waiting list on these Type R's anyway.
Great review
I still cant get over that price jesus
Expecting delivery of mine in the next few weeks after placing my order back in Jan.
It is ithe undisputed king of manual hot hatches ever built. If you need further proof, just compare how Paul's expressions change through the course of the video....
Paul, as always mate... Absolute rippa of a review.
Cheers 👍
great car till you get clipped by an i30n at the lights and look at the KIA stinger a kilometer ahead of you.
No yet, wondering between CW vs Black.
Thx for the great review👍
Looks so much better than last gen. It’s smooth and proportional
Nice review. Can you please review the Golf R…
It’s a tough job but somebody’s got to do it Paul. Wish it was me!
This is such a good looking car from the front. I'm not sold on the back though.
Just wondering, exterior styling wise, which do u prefer...this CTR or GR Corolla?
I'd love to drive one of these and the new GR Corolla back to back, they both look like fun cars to drive. Good to see it only comes in manual, at least you know no body under 30 is going to steal it.
😂 I’m 19 and learnt to drive manual… make sure to keep it under cover to protect it from me
@@animalscars3799 I applaud you, not many do these days. You haven’t driven until you’ve driven a quick manual.
Damn I'll buy this for sure. Just need to find the money.
Hi Paul..... Excellent review....i got mine last Friday in Championship White...i had a GR Yaris before which was great but sitting position, stop start, high beams and rear view mirror position were awful....this is so much more refined....options are a bit $$ (i also order OEM accessories from PRL motorsports in the US)...$199 capped services....a bit pricey yes but resale should be great....thanks again 🤜🤛
I have a GR Yaris and considering swapping to fl5. Could you please share more about the difference? My main concern is the suspension of fl5 might be too firm. Appreciate your thoughts.
@@yifan5423 the ride in "comfort' mode is fine....in R mode its def firm but the throttle response and steering changes too.....all i will say to you is go test drive one....the seating position and gear shift is second to none.....has plenty of room too (it is 4600mm long)....boot is big and with seats down its huge....the AC is icy icy cold....i have done 1950km and haven't reset the trip meter and it's at 9.5/100km.....on the highway easily down to 7....to be frank with you i don't miss the GR at all....if you a double garage maybe have both :P.....hope you i answered your question :)
Hey Paul, any chance you can test the i30 sedan N?
Precision Honda Engineering!
Can it get over a speed bump without scraping? First Type R I’ve been interested in for a while.
What watch is that? Looks great :)))
I do agree with you, Paul, it's a great design. I love it! But with $70K plus for FWD and non LED tailight, it's a lot I would go with AWD VW.
You need to drive one and you will understand why lol.
AWD VWs are slower around the track. AWD is only an advantage in the rain or snow. Why else do you need it besides that? The cars in this class aren’t designed to go in a straight line.
@Brandon how many people actually tracks their car? Not many. Elantra N destroys the ctr off the line
@@davothegreat9990 track performance translates to backroad performance. And everyone drives on backroads. What video are you watching where the Elantra destroys the type r? Lmao and when do people buy these cars to be faster off the line. They’re designed for cornering.
@Brandon mate, let's be honest too much power on FWD it does affect its cornering habits. I've been in race tracks. I've seen it as waste of power
Reverse top speed is the only performance stat that matters. Good job.
This thing, is f*cking PHENOMENAL. If you're in the market for one, just buy it. Don't even waste your time looking at anything else - they might as well be plastic go-karts by comparison.
The way this drives, is just incredible and second to nothing.
For 72 grand? Fuck that you could get a v8 Audi or Benz for that money
@@blazemoneyman_True,but those cars will break down first. 😂
This or the Mazda CX5 turbo? ? Or you can’t even compare? (I don’t know much about this obviously)
Android Auto is wireless too if you dive a little deeper in the factory settings.
This is a great car . Well done Honda. If I could buy one tomorrow and drive it out the door without waiting for $73 K , I’d be in. That’s not the case though sadly. Those who are comparing Honda to Hyundai are dreaming. Hyundai are one of the most unreliable cars on the road after a few years, they have a host of mechanical gremlins that rear their head as the K’s go up. My son has been a mechanic for over 10 years now, and he says steer well clear of Hyundai at all costs. They may be ok for a few years, but then the troubles start.
That's a very outdated view of Hyundai,
@@daweigo6851 Not really. It comes from a mechanic who sees what comes through the door on a regular basis. I also have friends who call my son on a regular basis with Hyundai issues. One needed a new motor at 30K km’s in her i30…lucky it was a warranty job after a lot of crying. The same car has just had the head unit fail. She’s sworn off Hyundai forever. Our Mazda 3 which is the same age has had a battery replacement, that’s all in 70K km’s. Another friend had a Veloster with a host of issues. Needless to say it got sold at a loss very quickly, and they are now the proud owners of a reliable Toyota. DCT issues, electric steering column failures just to name a few.
Ahhhh what? Hyundai since 2018 has been more reliable than hondas here in australia. You're living in the past. The gap between them is very small now. There's already a recall for this type r in america lol
You're talking about older i30s from years ago. Hyundai are very reliable now
@@CU-nz9ud ive had more issues with my crv than my i30n hatch which did 140k kms before i sold it. my i30 n has a track warranty as well. The type r doesnt.
@@mharro88 As I said, and this is from my son who works on all model cars, they are ok in general for say 5 years, but then they develop issues which he doesn’t see on the Jap cars. Euro cars are similar to Hyundai in that regard as well. Of course you can get lucky or unlucky with a Jap car or other as well.
Best Type-R in decades. In Thailand, we got allotcation of 20 cars total I believe, and it sold out already with a price of 174,400 $AUD.
Wtf
@@tanthaman 😭
I have seen one once on the road and I drive a lot.
It’s the most beautiful hatchbacks I ever seen in my entire life time 💯🔥wow wow wow
Hi Paul, do a drag race with the civic against the I30N
I had one on ordered but cancelled it. There’s far too many pot holes on NSW roads these days to enjoy a low sports car. Opted for something with a bit more ground clearance, but if Aus had better roads would definitely pull the trigger on one of these. Amazing car.
You discovered the potholes after you ordered the car?!
Ranger Raptor?
@@operationgetthugs232 was living overseas prior to ordering one.
@@CarExpertAus that would probably be necessary, best of performance & off road! Went for the TROC R though. Practical, compact, all the tech and very quick.
Ground clearance ain't going to save your wheels from pot holes my friend.
Great test thank you as always. I'm going to say something really silly here...any chance of an automatic with heated seats and heated steering wheel? Please don't hate me but it would be perfection for me! Sorry!
@Paulwardzynski3265- It’s disappointing but Honda will never produce this vehicle in an Automatic variant. I’m the same. Where I live having a manual in peak hour traffic isn’t practical anymore, therefore I’d prefer an automatic transmission.
A Camry Hybrid SL should be more to your liking. 😂
if you ran it to redline in second, would it make 100? it looked close.
Great review Paul. Recently picked up a new Kona n premium but was keen on the new type r. Glad I didn’t wait. 72k is crazy money but it will still sell well I’m sure. Prefer the dct and extra tech in my car plus the 14k saving on purchase price. Would be good to test drive one and see how it compares
The type r is worth the extra money. Hence why it’s selling out everywhere.
@@BlueFL5 I’ll have to drive one and see but from the video I’m not sold on it being worth an extra 14k more for an extra 30kw, and it’s slower than my car 0-100
@@yourmatejay on this surface in these conditions your Kona will be slower
@@TheStigHCE09 I doubt it would be significantly slower. On par maybe. I do have a slight weight advantage and the wet dct. The type r on paper should be doing much faster 0-100 times.
@@yourmatejay 0-100 isn’t what you buy these cars for. You should know this. You buy them for their track capabilities and back roads.
James Wong in his review of the Type R gave a drive away price of $72,600. In your review Paul you indicated the above price was before on roads. Who is correct?
Sorry that’s a mistake in the video! That drive away price is correct
Just think for a moment what new and used cars you can buy for this money or less that deliver most if not all the enjoyment.
The list is extensive.
What a brilliant car
this is a car i would by in a heart beat
Buy*
Man car prices in Australia are even more insane than in Canada
Such a divisive model and brand here in Australia. The primary issues of the FL5 are affordability and availability, the latter being at the mercy of Honda head office in Japan, who could ramp up production if they choose. If placing an order today in Australia, waiting up to 2 years for a new FL5 is very frustrating. It's incredible there is such pent up demand for certain manual models, when makers complain that if both manual and automatic transmissions are offered, less than 5% of sales are manual.
Current wait time is 14 months
I like this but $72K but the I20n less power but cost to fun factor? Which one.?
Great review as usual. I'd be taking it straight down to the exhaust shop for $100 resonator delete to get a decent sound out of it
On top of the $73K?
It’s $72,000 and crazy for fwd wtf. I own i20n and it’s $38k when I picked it up in last year and some mods and love it and fast the corner etc. this price is crazy. You can get i30N for price around $20k more cheap than that $72,000
Myabe I'm getting older but I couldn't see myself driving something like this at my age. Coincidentally, and perhaps a little ironic, this new design reminds me of the Kia Stinger from the sloped fast-back design accentuated by the Stinger like tail lights. The Kia may not be a track monster but it scoots. V6 Bi-Turbo power at the ready. Best of all, it is pretty cheap nowadays with the splendid Kia depreciation magic.
Loved hot hatches 10-15 years ago but you can argue the manufacturers were actually laser focused on catering to that niche; now they're double dipping throwing a spoiler and extra exhaust tips on a pedestrian going sedan body. Reminds me of the chuffs of the old days when they couldn't afford a car of their own and they convinced their parents to allow them to put on an eBay spoiler and 'bling' wheels. Never fails to get a laugh when you see an older couple driving a souped up Civic or Corolla to the shops because they know it's Junior who put those on.
Do you guys notice any transparent patches on the bottom left/right of rear doors? I am asking because I get them on mine. From the video I can't see any. The dealership told me they are from the factory(for stone chip protection)... What's wrong with mine.
Yes it has film on the back corner of the doors. I had a look at a car in a dealer yesterday
I like the interior more than the Corolla, the exterior styling is nice and understated as well but those partial LED lights are a shame
The question is could you live with the ride on pock marked roads if it was your daily driver? And as manuals are like unicorns these days would grid locked traffic be another game breaker compared to an auto/DSG. For me i suspect it would be. VW's might be dull for some until you throw some mods at them and they become supercars speed wise. 235kw in the Honda is probably more than enough for FWD.
How does it compare to the i30 sedan N ?
My dream car. ❤
Are you going to review the new Land Rover Defender 130:?
No more manuals for mazda 3 😢 A little unrelated but one of the few accessible manuals available in all specs.
I agree, that its a lose, Hyundai will be next with i30 and sedan.
How does it compare to the Sedan N
It's better but the question is do you want to spend $20K more or not. And get one less seat.
Hello mat please review the new toyota urban cruiser🙏🙏🙏🙂🙂
would you be able to review the Mercedes E class , comparing all generations ?
like guys pls!
Ford Focus RS was 0-100 in 4.7,
Thought the Civic would be in the low 5's, at the very least,
The handling is pretty though by the looks of it, so as a track weapon it should be on point.
The focus rs was around 5.4 seconds to 100 kmh in the real world which alot of reviewers got which is a joke for an awd car
If you are a Honda lover this would be good for you. But plenty of other better options out there. Also the older Civic looks so much better!
What are the other options?
There's a recall already on them for faulty pilot's seat
@volkz the article from Honda was a world wide recall
Lol "reliable"
@@mharro88 tbh anything humans make has an error factor
Please review Haval tank 300
Fuck I’m impressed, you did not touch everything. Well done . Have a great day.🎉
I really wish Honda made this in a dual clutch or some sort of Automatic. Great review Paul. 👍
That is not Honda’s heritage. They know if they make the car with an automatic or dual clutch that more people will buy it. But it would take away from the roots and history of the car. If you want an automatic go elsewhere
@@BlueFL5 Who care’s if it’s not Honda’s heritage lol. I just think it was the wrong move for Honda financially to only produce this vehicle in a manual only variant. Hyundai made a dual clutch variant for their I30N and it’s sold that well that you can’t even order a car now. Toyota has a dual clutch in the works for their GR Corolla and Yaris.
@@michaelanthony7327 Honda cares about their heritage. There’s reason they make certain decisions. It’s the exact reason the S2000 never came in an automatic. It’s the exact reason the Type R is faster than a DCT AWD Golf R around the Nurburgring. If you don’t understand that go buy a depreciating under performing mediocre hyuandai lol
Sacrilege
@@michaelanthony7327 pretty sure they'll all sell out regardless
The price is eye watering.
It amazes me that car manufacturers cheap out on reverse camera when a good quality one would only cost an extra 10-20 for them
you're a genius
Like the GR Corolla and Yaris, why manual only? Not even F1 has been fully manual for years. And yes, I drive manual.
OMG. Honda lost me at $72 Grand!
That's cheap. It is the equivalent of 88k Aus. dollars here in the UK.
@@bondjamesbond9041 cheap! Are you for real?!!
Indeed it is expensive, both USA and Straya’s average new car price is around $50,000. And the latest Type R starts at ~$46,000 in USA.
It’s just the market difference. 26 million humans in Australia agianst the US’ 334 million. Plus, USD is higher valued than Australia.
@@bondjamesbond9041 Forget the exchange rate, in the UK, the price starts from 49K if on a plan and $47k if paying cash.
@@Dan-dx9qu Compare with the UK price! as stated in my previous comment. The equivalent of 72k AUD will only get you a normal Civic here in the UK.
The $72,600 is inclusive of on road costs.
Good review, but I think for the price, it's far too high for what's on offer but I suppose if you're after a dedicated race car and have that kind of money to put down I am sure you will. Plus well the fan boys will buy them too... 😂
4 colors? Where's boost blue?
I cant wait how fast it goes in reverse.
Y'know the deal breakers :P
i love the honda sound. its hypnotic. sounds like video game and nostalgia.
it sounds like a lawn mower. literally the worst sounding hatch in its segment
@@mharro88 lol i love the sound
Seth MacFarlane doing car reviews... I love it . Jajajajajajaja
My FL5 arrives in December. This will be the last of the ICE mohicans for Honda as they are moving to electric.
nice car, hows Honda's support these days
Still have no idea why it only has 4 seats
If a car is priced low expect bad steering brakes engine components air-conditioning seat comfort paint job materials used.. safety which all don't get noticed at the dealer because price is giving you tunnel vision or maybe it's the info screen that does Less in reality...
Save Manuel Hot Hatchback!😍😍
72k???
This is a nice, good car. Wish it was automatic gear type car. Please review the BAIC beijing x55.
Hands down gr corolla 10 cheaper plus just a better car in general can't wait to see a head to head video ❤
Who's hands were found?
But You didn't say that GR Corolla has very few cars available in Australia and Toyota are only catering the Car to Toyota Premium Customers only, they won't just let You walk in and buy one in AUSTRALIA.
more fun too, so is the i30n
Looks too big .The previous gen was a discussion of too much or too good .Idk why the new wrx now the type r are almost looking like camrys in size and looks
Would love one of these
It's actually $72k drive away, including on road cost.
Said no car dealer ever
That is a seriously good looking car but well beyond what I’m willing to spend.
No one talks about the annoying torque steer when pushing this car to its limits, or the lack of a manual handbrake!!! These two flaws aside it's an impressive car.
But owning one and a GR86, I'm always going for the GR86 keys.
Didn’t notice any torque steer. It uses a limited slip differential so it shouldn’t have any torque steer.
@@CarExpertAus limited slip diff has nothing to do with the torque steer though. Honda uses clever dual axis knuckle design to remove it. But it will show in wet or limits
@@CarExpertAus interesting you noted this, I didn’t either until after a week of driving mine and interchanging between cars. It’s not exactly obtrusive, but it is there.
Great review otherwise Paul 👍🏼
@@Inalielsa The Focus RS used a similar suspension system, but an LSD is the first point of removing torque steer after suspension and drive shaft lengths. Without an LSD (and the dual-axis strut) this would be all over the shop.
Annoying torque steer 😂 nought
Here in PH it's priced at 3,880,000 or equivalent to a whopping $71000
That's cheap. It is the equivalent of 88k Aus. dollars here in the UK
@@bondjamesbond9041 its $71k USD. Equivalent to 106k AUS Dollar.
@@theprodigymotovlog2070 I think we were all having a conversation in Australian dollars as this channel is in Australia. In you previous comment you did not mention which currency you were using.
Wow 72k for a Honda hatch back that’s a good laugh 😂😂 stuff that
That's cheap. It is the equivalent of 88k Aus. dollars here in the UK