Best new hot hatch? 2023 Honda Civic Type R review: Watch out, Toyota GR Corolla and Hyundai i30 N!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- If you're a big fan of hot hatches, you're spoilt for choice this year, with plenty of big new releases - including the 2023 Honda Civic Type R.
Depending on who ask, the previous-generation Type R was the benchmark hot hatch during its time, so expectations are high for this redesigned model. After all, it now counts the Toyota GR Corolla among its rivals. And then there's the plucky Hyundai i30 N.
Point being, the Type R needs to raise the bar if it's to even have a chance of declaring itself the best hot hatch money can buy.
So, in this expert review, CarsGuide Contributing Journalist Byron Mathioudakis puts the new Civic flagship through its paces to see if lightning can really strike twice. And yes, it's nowhere as divisively styled as its predecessor was...
#Honda #Civic #TypeR #Review
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Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
01:00 Pricing and features
03:34 Design
05:48 Practicality
10:10 Under the bonnet
11:29 Efficiency
11:56 Driving
16:15 Safety
16:47 Ownership
17:17 Verdict
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Black is my favorite color for this car. First time I see a review with this color :D
I’ve been waiting to see a review for one of them in a color other than white.
@@KevinMartin1028I know right lol
Stimmt . für diesen FL 5 ist schwarz die beste Lösung . Ganz klar .
Looks epic in black and like it would fit in perfectly right now in a fast and furious movie! ❤🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯💯
Great review and finally a CTR that matches its sophisticated engineering with looks we don’t need to be embarrassed by 🎯👍🤓
Precision Honda Engineering!
Probably the first time ive heard the words felt, velour and elegance spoken in the same sentence.
Had you guys met the fk2, i wonder if you would still look at the fl5 the same way 😊
Looks amazing
Honda sales in Australia dropped more than 30% consecutively for two years in 2020 and 2021, then followed by another 19% drop. Soon it may become Holden in AU market.
They are trying too hard to be a premium brand, reducing their lineup and forgetting about who their target market who made the bulk of their sales was.
There biggest market is the US. Australian regulations are too hard. They’ll still make billions in the US
Nothing in relation to the awesome car, but okay... cool point.
@@chillybin1nothing to deal with Australia regarding at all...they fired the dealers and went down the agency model where they own all the cars them selves and sell direct. They lost a lot of business from loyal repeat buyers who retuned to there Normal dealer who no long sold honda, but had other brands to buy
Thanks for the review. I’m in Australia and have just taken delivery of a new FL5 Civic Type R in Championship White. A fantastic car but unfortunately the dashboard rattles have not been fixed in the production vehicles. My car is heading back to the dealer tomorrow. It’s really frustrating given the amount of customers having the same issue with the FL5 Type R 😢 It should really be a recall item. Anyway fingers crossed this can be fixed and I can really start to enjoy the car!
Especially the amount of money they want for them now!
Hi. Just wondering if this was fixed satisfactorily?
@@jeremyhill3837 hi Jeremy, I still have the rattle in the dash. Honda have said it’s a known issue and hopefully will be fixed on the next update of the FL5. That doesn’t fix my issue though..
@@mattk-kf9fx thanks for the reply. How frustrating for you!
Looks sick in black.
Does it still have that terrible thief'friendly keyless entry and if it does can it be turned off ?
This or the 23 BMW 230 with the Msport package?
Awesome🤦🏻♀️💓
My dream car 😍
It’s so good
Do a video on the BMW M340i, Thanks 👍
thanks
The stiletto comment at 4:10 is underrated
How about the elantra n?
Just gotta say that car looks way better in black, excellent review 😉👍
I think it nails everything. But the question unanswered is - in the dry, on the public
road. Is this car too overtyred and overlength.
Why would it be? It's not exceptionally long.
1 year later and from every other reviews professional or not the conclusion so far is that this is the best hot hatch on the planet, yes better then AMG 45S, RS3, Golf R, WRX, corolla GR and i30N some are saying it's the supercar of hot hatches it's that good apparently.
Thank you for mentioning the flaws of the rear seating and the lack of ability to seat three passengers. I feel this a huge negative for the vehicle that could be easily corrected by @honda
Who buys a fun performance car to stuff it full of people? Completely defeats the purpose
@@AndyDufresne4 versatility and practicality are important if you want to daily a hot hatch. That's what hot hatches are made for, being a daily car.
@@d15z1sux I mean if your looking for a daily to haul around 4 passengers there are much better vehicles for the task.
@@AndyDufresne4 for sure there are but if you want the performance too and the practicality. Some people want a good compromise between the two.
Pretty sure the EP3 was sold in Australia.
Is it faster than a Porsche around corners?
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Top 5!
I owned a DC2 Type R Integra. Magic bloody magic little car!
Weird you show us all these comparable cars saying they're all too expensive compared to the "mighty" civic yet completely ignore the i30n sedan which is just as capable on track , nicer inside , more luxury features and actually more livable.
Seems quite paid for to me.
Yeah I thought this was a Honda ad. 💵 🥱
Infomercial.
That thing is so ugly😂
If only you could actually buy one for less than the price of a 2023 BMW M2. Got quoted almost $65,000 USD before tax, title, and registration. The car is cool, but for M2 money that's asking a lot Honda.
People can say what they want but i still don't like the toned down look. I have the 2020 and appreciate the more aggressive looking tone than something a soccer dad would enjoy having. Unfortunately, I'll be holding on my R until i find something else that sparks interest but this future look isnt it.
Fk8 is got dam ugly. Something a 16 year old ricer that turned 20 would buy. Every dam thing on that thing looks slapped on and came out of the local auto parts store.
FK8 is 🤢🤮
This car in general now is. 🤢🤢🤢
@Creshendo680 was saying exactly what you said until the FL5 was in person and you see how amazing the arches look and the stock wheels....the quality of materials, the build quality to the interior....to the way there is no fake vents....then they rectified every single part that was wrong with the FK8 to make it a better car...even gear ratio now same as FK2.....now that I own one there's no question its the best thing i have purchased
Handles as good as they say and i know because i have one. Straight line speed i can't review impartially due to my previous car having more than double the BHP and was AWD. First FWD car i have had in a very long time and its actually not disappointing though off the line and in wet weather front grip not as good as some of the competition.
So far only 200 allocated for here in the UK so for those who already have one they are reselling for more than list price even the dealership will buy it back for what i paid for it. Too expensive? Initially yes but over time the limited number produced may slow down depreciation.
I prefer to drive my new BRZ but it's more comfy in the Type R.. I do regret getting the Type R though, it's too expensive and I'm prob going to trade for an MT Supra which feels a lot more premium (thanks to BMW I guess). Problem then is that I'll have 2 coupe's... oh well 😂
@@MKu64if you regret getting a type R FL5 then you never ever got one😂
@@van_der_lindeDA ok bud if you say so 😂
@MKu64 😂 prefer driving a BRZ is all you needed to say, then you want to trade in a type R for a supra 😂😂...please go down that road and then come back and have a chat.
@@van_der_lindeDA ? are you ok? 🤣
I went away from the Supra because it was far too cramped inside for me, I'm too tall to fit. The BRZ is absolutely more fun to drive than the Type R. I drive both daily.
Sounds like you're pretty butthurt at my comments though 😂
I buy whatever cars I want at the time, and move on to whatever is new or better, how about you hotshot 😅🤷♂️
Is this your first purchase? Because you seem super defensive about your precious Civic 😁
we cannot even get one of those cars- they are as rare as a Unicorn
It does look good but not paying $70k for a hot hatch!
This car should be worth $30k… it’s a civic with red badge for crying out loud
@@hookedonhifi2570 yes haha! well i wouldnt pay more than a golf gti
@@darrenprior6339 been drinking coolant?
I was seriously ready to buy this car, but after seeing how many people have bad dash rattles i have decided to pass on it. $75k for a rattle box is not good enough. Now looking at GR Corolla.
The FL5 is awesome but it's hardly a hot hatch anymore 😂, similar dimensions as an M3 😢
Carsales indicate that the new Type R is selling for 82k. Really!!!
This car should be worth $30k… it’s a civic with red badge for crying out loud
Reference the noise in the car ,I'm sorry but if people inside complain then they can get out and walk .
I would be just fine by myself going for a blast by myself. 👍
I need to learn manual 😅
Great car and I like it a lot. However my wife’s 60th Anniversary Mini cost $55k drive away & came with 5 years free servicing and warranty. It’s quieter and has every other feature except hers is a 7 speed DSG with paddle shifter. She’s done 55,000 kms and the car hasn’t missed a beat. I can’t help thinking that another 25k for the Type R is a lot. As she said though, all prices have gone mad. Oh the Mini has heads up display, panoramic sunroof, heated leather seats, wireless Apple Car play and android auto, great all round vision. Effortless to drive and beat the daily traffic, it’s very nimble, no cheap carpet in the boot…
However I’d still happily drive the Honda…just wish it was a little cheaper
Come back in a decade and see if the mini has held up as well as the civic
@@roninvictormaybe 2 years😅
Completely different car and made for different purposes!! 😂😂
@@davothegreat9990 I like the Honda, but appreciate what the Mini has to offer especially at the price we paid. I think it’s a relative bargain and a hell of a lot of fun. Since purchased almost 5 years ago, it hasn’t missed a beat…
@@marklearner3299 understand that. But it's no civil type r. Not even the same category
The new Honda Civic Type R seems to be much more like a longer family hosting looking car - Honda changed it's character too much. And, here in Germany, it got too expensive. Last year I thought to buy a Type R 2022 (pre Model), but doesn't and bought a really hot hatch i30N Performance with 8-G DCT including all extras. For me, the much better choice.
He's gonna try to convince you that $73K is a fair price for a FWD manual car!
This car should be worth $30k… it’s a civic with red badge for crying out loud
@@hookedonhifi2570 Go back whatching hi-fi videos, this car is similar priced as other hot hatch, and it’s not even comparable with the standard civic since the 90% of mechanical components are changed or modified.
This car has a lot of mechanical and aereodinamics cliche and good stuff.
If you don’t see that don’t mean they don’t exist and is a normal civic, that car hold the record for fastest car at Suzuka circuit.
@@enricocolombo ok, enjoy your civic 😂
@@hookedonhifi2570 you sound poor!😅
@@Illuminatisevil if you say so 😂😂
Disappointed dc5r????
Rear wing looks absurd.
Silly price. Depreciation will be huge with many cars once the bubble pops
This is limited production and selling used over list, I wouldn't worry about depreciation on these tbf.
The FK8 is holding it's value very well in the UK.
If it’s not much cheaper than golf r it doesn’t worth the price and it cost more for maintenance even
N owners is shaking hard
Doubt it
Doubtful. Honda haven't been relevant in Australia since the GFC hit. This will sell, but it won't take Honda back to their 90s glory days nor will it impact N sales.
I'm sorry but the price is absurd...20K more! It is a great, great car but sadly we are being taken and taken all the way to the cleaners.
This car should be worth $30k… it’s a civic with red badge for crying out loud
@@hookedonhifi2570get a life
Way too expensive for what you get. I bought a 2019 CLA45 AMG for that money
I was thinking this looked like a fun car - then I watched this review and reminded myself that it is a decidedly bogan car - useful review - many thanks
Well, our apologies sir. Please forgive us for giving offence to your highly esteemed personage with our daily peasant transport
@@fale892 don't be ridiculous - no offence taken. I'll stick with my CRV. It's your choice what you drive.
type R for Recall🤣
You can’t even afford one!😢🤣🤣🤣
72 k hmmm
No power seats. Acura type S would be better
It’s all new??? No. Engine and drivetrain carried over. Chassis is all new!
Overpriced. I like it but I would look at other options at this price point.
Type R always been slow..no change there then.
Even the Elantra N is faster and a track car for alot cheaper...
@@davothegreat9990😂
@dalevanderlinde I know. Elantra N is the quicker car. Well known...
@@davothegreat9990 who cares honestly...golf R is quicker than all of them..does it make it a better car...better resale? Better drive?
@dalevanderlinde quicker but not faster from a roll.
The journalist is Greek
are you reading from a piece of paper
Overpriced … Front wheel drive… not worth it
This car should be worth $30k… it’s a civic with red badge for crying out loud
@@hookedonhifi2570you loser😂
Honda type r has become japans fwd bmw .
Have u forgot about fk2 get facts right
He's yummy!
What an absolute rip off.
Ugly side mirrors.
Honda baut nur noch scheise !!!
Ein civic type -r ohne allrad 😂😂😂😂ein großer Fehler!!!
Ein Honda CR-V ohne ein Type-r auch ein großer Fehler!!
Snake oil salesman.
This car should be worth $30k… it’s a civic with red badge for crying out loud
Honda Civic that is overhyped and overpriced. It should be $30k
Definately not over hyped...Im sure you've never owned owned one ehh
@@mihlemnyatheli9669prob drives an elantra N
Cringe