I painted some of these originals and we had very limited time through working on so many miniatures for many different products in the studio at Nottingham at the time and a lot of the red ones were my painting. All the best, Darren Matthews :)
@@SnakeWorksStudio It was a long time ago and painting has moved on a lot since but it was good to be there at the start of something that became very big and to be a small part of it. At the time we only had very limited amount of paints and often very limited time to paint the miniatures in for the adverts in White Dwarf and a lot of the colour schemes were often left down to the painter but still trying to keep to the colour schemes of the 4 Chaos gods that were still being developed at the time. I still have fond memories of some of the miniatures and painting them
If you get the chance, download slaves to darkness and the lost and the damned on free PDF. The sculpts were circular, the artists drew the sculpts, and the sculptors based their models on the art. That's what led to the grim dark style (with a heavy Blanche influence) 😀
Nice! I never tire of oldhammer videos! I’m working on my 16th legion tactical squad...need a praevian but FW is as usual out of stock.... warp storms perhaps
I quite like the "Traitor Terminators"... but, really, the old 'Wheelchair of Doom' Blood Slaughterer is a great example of 90's jank. Edit: the "Face in the Belly" guy is in the blue catalogue as a Tzeentch renegade, "headless 2".
IIRC, the 4 chaos gods thing wasn't fully solidified until the Realm of Chaos books were published in 1989 & 90. Before that it was just plain ol' chaotic Chaos.
Fun video, I still have a majority of these minis, I also have a slew of the slan ones which make up my slan army. My favorite one is not shown, I call it the alien renegade. Same type of armor, however this fig has an alien looking head. I love these figs and I'm blessed to have most of them.
Because horns were easy to make. If I were to write some excuse-fluff for _why_ they have horns, I reckon the best explanation would be that they are sensor arrays. I had a few of those when I was a kid; I remember I had the guy with the chainsaw-disc tail (attached to his back) and a couple of the ones carrying bolters. The heavy weapons ones were expensive, but I did have two or three of them. I like the idea of "Chaos Renegades" as being random mercenary/pirate space marines, not particularly attached to any chaos space marine chapter. The blue one, I remember seeing in a White Dwarf magazine and I thought he had a frosty ice-world look.
The best chaos god in some ways is Nurgle as he's actually a pretty chill dude. Apart from the whole plagues bit. Otherwise, it's Khorne, because he keeps it nice and simple. Blood, skulls, that's it. None of these complex plots that make Kingdom Hearts look like The Very Hungry Caterpillar, none of the whatever it is they can let Slaanesh actually get away with these days.
@@SnakeWorksStudio Yeah, undivided core with some berserkers and a pile of death guard from the partworks, but looking at the new World Eaters approaching, and the Khorne combat patrol for Daemons is also fortunate :D
@@SnakeWorksStudio I really liked all the animalistic ones, the bull head, tentacle armed, and guy with a gun arm and sword arm particularly stood out. Btw love what you do and I’m glad I discovered this channel I love oldhammer minis
Trecher is where the word treacherous from, if I'm not mistaken and it basically means traitor. These original Chaos marines were indeed weird and quirky!
@@SnakeWorksStudio Sadly no, I got into 40k in back 1990 and I think GW had just phased out the original Traitor Marines for new, less weird designs. My main area of interest was the Eldar, jumping in at issue 127 of White Dwarf, I was fascinated by the painted examples of the then very new Aspect Warriors and such.
Lacrosse is the name of that ball net game lol (FYI that Canada national sport)😉 ...Wow a blast from!!!! I really want these chaos when I was a young boy in the 90's
Some of these marines have pretty funny animal mutations, insect-like, organic, almost bio-mechanical look. On those years I think GW were deciding the look for Chaos and Tyranids and some elements would work nice together. An example is the old Chaos Dreadnought, with that biomechanical look and that huge alien-like head, similar to modern Zoanthrope. Special mention for that renegade with a sort of shrunk chaos dread head. Finally they decided to split both ways, keepin´ the biomechanical look for Xenos, and giving a look closer to gothic loyal marines for chaos, with the only organic addition of daemon mutations
@@SnakeWorksStudio Yeah I do ^^ It´s cool, it gives a lot of variations to chaos space marines. I think the next wave of chaos miniatures based on Jes Godwin designs stablished definitely the look for these troops, but would be cool keepin´some of those heads and limbs as options for modern chaos marines
I recall Chaos Renegades, of course, because they're the f***ing sh**! Hey, Marcel, could you reply and let me know where the "treacher" reference is from? I wanna look it up, brah. Holy f*** I just got 10 internet cookies because I do indeed understand the reference! My favourite is the pretty much all blue Chaos Renegade because his face reminded me of a minotaur, f*** yeah!
I painted some of these originals and we had very limited time through working on so many miniatures for many different products in the studio at Nottingham at the time and a lot of the red ones were my painting. All the best, Darren Matthews :)
The buzz saw tail was moulded in and was my very rushed paint job
Thank you very much for dropping by! I'm sure I speak for everyone here that we all love your work!
It looks fantastic!
@@SnakeWorksStudio It was a long time ago and painting has moved on a lot since but it was good to be there at the start of something that became very big and to be a small part of it. At the time we only had very limited amount of paints and often very limited time to paint the miniatures in for the adverts in White Dwarf and a lot of the colour schemes were often left down to the painter but still trying to keep to the colour schemes of the 4 Chaos gods that were still being developed at the time. I still have fond memories of some of the miniatures and painting them
I love them, they were much more creative and nightmarish in my opinion. They remind me of medieval art depictions of devils.
If you get the chance, download slaves to darkness and the lost and the damned on free PDF.
The sculpts were circular, the artists drew the sculpts, and the sculptors based their models on the art.
That's what led to the grim dark style (with a heavy Blanche influence) 😀
Oh good spot!!
@@generalbuttnaked7637 yeahh, i own both books :) They are great.
agreed
I love old chaos marines
Nice! I never tire of oldhammer videos! I’m working on my 16th legion tactical squad...need a praevian but FW is as usual out of stock.... warp storms perhaps
Your 16th???
I quite like the "Traitor Terminators"... but, really, the old 'Wheelchair of Doom' Blood Slaughterer is a great example of 90's jank.
Edit: the "Face in the Belly" guy is in the blue catalogue as a Tzeentch renegade, "headless 2".
I have that model, but I painted him up as a 'pink' horror...
I knew I hadn’t imagined it! Thanks for that!!
IIRC, the 4 chaos gods thing wasn't fully solidified until the Realm of Chaos books were published in 1989 & 90. Before that it was just plain ol' chaotic Chaos.
Great episode ! Thanks for the call out ;)
Hah no problem! Did you have any of these?
Fun video, I still have a majority of these minis, I also have a slew of the slan ones which make up my slan army. My favorite one is not shown, I call it the alien renegade. Same type of armor, however this fig has an alien looking head. I love these figs and I'm blessed to have most of them.
He might turn up in a future video!
@@SnakeWorksStudio excellent!!
I just got a few of these models and I can confirm that the buzz saw dose come out of his “rear” not his backpack 😅
You’re very lucky! I need to get a hold of that one some day
Because horns were easy to make. If I were to write some excuse-fluff for _why_ they have horns, I reckon the best explanation would be that they are sensor arrays.
I had a few of those when I was a kid; I remember I had the guy with the chainsaw-disc tail (attached to his back) and a couple of the ones carrying bolters. The heavy weapons ones were expensive, but I did have two or three of them.
I like the idea of "Chaos Renegades" as being random mercenary/pirate space marines, not particularly attached to any chaos space marine chapter.
The blue one, I remember seeing in a White Dwarf magazine and I thought he had a frosty ice-world look.
4:53 has the best scheme hands down
Did you have it?
Saw tail, had the tail coming out of his body
The best chaos god in some ways is Nurgle as he's actually a pretty chill dude. Apart from the whole plagues bit. Otherwise, it's Khorne, because he keeps it nice and simple. Blood, skulls, that's it. None of these complex plots that make Kingdom Hearts look like The Very Hungry Caterpillar, none of the whatever it is they can let Slaanesh actually get away with these days.
Do you collect a chaos army?
@@SnakeWorksStudio Yeah, undivided core with some berserkers and a pile of death guard from the partworks, but looking at the new World Eaters approaching, and the Khorne combat patrol for Daemons is also fortunate :D
great vid hadn't many of those models wish the plastic sets these days had more weirdness as well
Some of the most interesting chaos to ever be made. And none of the overdone trim that plagues the modern models
Did you have any of them?
@@SnakeWorksStudio Currently I have a good few. The tentacle arm marine and original treacher marine are a few examples
I wish modern traitors kept the weirdness. These marines have so much character and are far more then normal marines with spikes
Do you have any favorite sculpts?
@@SnakeWorksStudio I really liked all the animalistic ones, the bull head, tentacle armed, and guy with a gun arm and sword arm particularly stood out. Btw love what you do and I’m glad I discovered this channel I love oldhammer minis
Trecher is where the word treacherous from, if I'm not mistaken and it basically means traitor. These original Chaos marines were indeed weird and quirky!
Did you have any of them?
@@SnakeWorksStudio Sadly no, I got into 40k in back 1990 and I think GW had just phased out the original Traitor Marines for new, less weird designs. My main area of interest was the Eldar, jumping in at issue 127 of White Dwarf, I was fascinated by the painted examples of the then very new Aspect Warriors and such.
I love them all!
Lacrosse is the name of that ball net game lol (FYI that Canada national sport)😉 ...Wow a blast from!!!! I really want these chaos when I was a young boy in the 90's
Lacrosse! That’s it! Have you played it?
@@SnakeWorksStudio only a few times ....I was WAY!!! More into hockey like other Canadians lol 😆
Some of these marines have pretty funny animal mutations, insect-like, organic, almost bio-mechanical look. On those years I think GW were deciding the look for Chaos and Tyranids and some elements would work nice together. An example is the old Chaos Dreadnought, with that biomechanical look and that huge alien-like head, similar to modern Zoanthrope. Special mention for that renegade with a sort of shrunk chaos dread head. Finally they decided to split both ways, keepin´ the biomechanical look for Xenos, and giving a look closer to gothic loyal marines for chaos, with the only organic addition of daemon mutations
I think your right! Do you like the old look?
@@SnakeWorksStudio Yeah I do ^^ It´s cool, it gives a lot of variations to chaos space marines. I think the next wave of chaos miniatures based on Jes Godwin designs stablished definitely the look for these troops, but would be cool keepin´some of those heads and limbs as options for modern chaos marines
some parts look kinda giger/alien like for example the embedded exposed tubes in the horns and legs or on the backpack etc
I recall Chaos Renegades, of course, because they're the f***ing sh**! Hey, Marcel, could you reply and let me know where the "treacher" reference is from? I wanna look it up, brah. Holy f*** I just got 10 internet cookies because I do indeed understand the reference! My favourite is the pretty much all blue Chaos Renegade because his face reminded me of a minotaur, f*** yeah!
I think treacher was first used in the Limited edition mini advert. “Treacher marine” I think…
@@SnakeWorksStudio Marcel, do you happen to know what number WD it was in?
6:20 considering back then there used to be Female space marines, this might be the case of a female chaos marine
WTF is a tretcher?
A "treacher" is a traitor.
The old term for traitor!
" I am not going to lick it "
It’s not worth risking is it