Thanks so much for this video! I have one of these factory in my 1964 ford galaxie 500 390 4v. I have the T85 with the long tail shaft and the R11 OD set. I was wondering a good way to set it up for manual spit shifting and this just gave me the trick!
What all had to be done to put that trans in. I had a 71 old guy before me put in overdrive trans. It was a standard 1 2 3 then 4 was overdrive. You could run 90 with that 240 on the interstate no problems
No. The Borg Warner thee speed with overdrive was optional on many American cars and pickups from the 1940s until about 1970 or so. The one in my truck came out of another junked Ford F100. It was optional in them.
Why do you flip the switch on and off? You can't shift from first direct to second direct and then second higher to third direct without the clutch and the switch in on position?
It's what switches it into overdrive. I activate it with the switch, then lift off the gas for a moment, and that's when it shifts into overdrive. I can only shift without the clutch when Overdrive is activated (not locked out), but while it's still in direct gear. Once it's actually in overdrive, I have to flip the switch to get out of OD to make the clutchless shift into the next (direct gear). Note: this is because I am running the OD manually. originally, these OD units operated semi-automatically. Watch the video carefully.
No they don't. Most Ford trucks 4th gen and older came with 3 speed manual. He probably has a torque/gear splitter installed which allows you to split the gears on your transmission. Advance Adapters makes good torque splitters and want their Ranger torque splitter for my T-18 transmission
@@xon2013 No. It's just the original Borg warner T-87 with Overdrive. I just have it set to shift in and out of overdrive manually instead of automatically, which happens above a certain speed when you lift up the gas pedal.
Likely so -- a six with an O/D was the epitome of fuel economy back in the day. And you'd likely get the best possible out of whatever hp the 223 has. (My first car was a '54 Ford sedan with the 239 OHV V-8 and had come from the factory with a 3-speed manual with O/D.) A real plus for the larger Ford's of the late 50's to mid-60's that had the 223.
Borg Warner T-87 with Overdrive. Whenever overdrive was specified on any American car, it involved either the smaller/lighter T-86 or the stronger T-87/89. Borg Warner sold these transmission and overdrives as a unit to the car companies.
You'll ruin your synchros float shifting a synchronized transmission used in automotive applications. Float shifting should only be done on the big rigs with non-synchronized transmissions.
No I won't. I'm not float shifting, as I make quite clear in the video. The overdrive has free-wheeling, which is exactly the same as a clutch, allowing one of the gear rails to be disconnected from any driveline rotation.
@@curbsideclassic You are float shifting the transmission, you can see you're waiting on the mesh points to go into gear. The od you don't need the clutch. It's no big deal but, that's why they invented synchronizers.
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I would put the switch on the shifter, but I drove a semi for 10 years, so thats ware im used to the split shifting.
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Thanks so much for this video! I have one of these factory in my 1964 ford galaxie 500 390 4v. I have the T85 with the long tail shaft and the R11 OD set. I was wondering a good way to set it up for manual spit shifting and this just gave me the trick!
How do you figure out bell housing?
It's the same. These B/W OD units were an option on Fords for quite a few years.
What all had to be done to put that trans in. I had a 71 old guy before me put in overdrive trans. It was a standard 1 2 3 then 4 was overdrive. You could run 90 with that 240 on the interstate no problems
Swap the two out, cut the driveshaft, and rig up the wiring for the electrical control switch.
Would that trans be from the 90s?
No. The Borg Warner thee speed with overdrive was optional on many American cars and pickups from the 1940s until about 1970 or so. The one in my truck came out of another junked Ford F100. It was optional in them.
Was this a factory overdrive or an after market one like a Gear vendors unit?
Factory option, on this and many American cars in the '40s, '50s and '60s.
Burg Warner overdrive?
yes, made for thee factory Fords by Borg Warner.
what mileage did get
14-18. 19 tops.
Why do you flip the switch on and off? You can't shift from first direct to second direct and then second higher to third direct without the clutch and the switch in on position?
It's what switches it into overdrive. I activate it with the switch, then lift off the gas for a moment, and that's when it shifts into overdrive. I can only shift without the clutch when Overdrive is activated (not locked out), but while it's still in direct gear. Once it's actually in overdrive, I have to flip the switch to get out of OD to make the clutchless shift into the next (direct gear).
Note: this is because I am running the OD manually. originally, these OD units operated semi-automatically.
Watch the video carefully.
have all 1965 got that
I've got one but I don't know how to
do that
No they don't. Most Ford trucks 4th gen and older came with 3 speed manual. He probably has a torque/gear splitter installed which allows you to split the gears on your transmission. Advance Adapters makes good torque splitters and want their Ranger torque splitter for my T-18 transmission
@@xon2013 maybe a two speed rear end
@@deborahchesser7375 not a bad idea either
@@xon2013 No. It's just the original Borg warner T-87 with Overdrive. I just have it set to shift in and out of overdrive manually instead of automatically, which happens above a certain speed when you lift up the gas pedal.
@@deborahchesser7375 Nope. see my comment above.
Remind me of Clint Eastwood in the movie Gran Torino haha
Would a 3sp with a gear vendor O/D be good with a 223 I6?
Likely so -- a six with an O/D was the epitome of fuel economy back in the day. And you'd likely get the best possible out of whatever hp the 223 has. (My first car was a '54 Ford sedan with the 239 OHV V-8 and had come from the factory with a 3-speed manual with O/D.) A real plus for the larger Ford's of the late 50's to mid-60's that had the 223.
where do u buy that set up
You'd have to search for an old Borg Warner T-87/89 with the original overdrive unit attached. I have mine set up to operate manually.
what transmission is that? Love that truck.
Borg Warner T-87 with Overdrive. Whenever overdrive was specified on any American car, it involved either the smaller/lighter T-86 or the stronger T-87/89. Borg Warner sold these transmission and overdrives as a unit to the car companies.
thanks. I would love to get that kind of a setup with a 300 or 240 in an old ford
Borg Warner T85 with BW Overdrive.
I need one for my 71 f100 240!
You'll ruin your synchros float shifting a synchronized transmission used in automotive applications. Float shifting should only be done on the big rigs with non-synchronized transmissions.
No I won't. I'm not float shifting, as I make quite clear in the video. The overdrive has free-wheeling, which is exactly the same as a clutch, allowing one of the gear rails to be disconnected from any driveline rotation.
It's not float shifting. I thought I made that quite clear. The overdrive has freewheeling, which is effectively like a clutch.
you re float shifting very badly, very bad mistake, huge mistake "donald trump"
@@goose31171 I think you mean "joe biden"
@@curbsideclassic You are float shifting the transmission, you can see you're waiting on the mesh points to go into gear. The od you don't need the clutch. It's no big deal but, that's why they invented synchronizers.
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