Gregg shorthand for personal note taking - lesson 1.1
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- This is a course on the use of Gregg shorthand for personal note taking. This lesson introduces the Gregg phonetic alphabet and introduces a technique for practicing words. Course materials and resources are available at: drive.google.com/folderview?i...
This is the second of 5 lectures in the course. The entire series is:
Introduction
1.1
1.2
2-3-4
5
🎵🎶Ra Ra Rasputin we're all stuck in quarantine and i'm learning shorthand to cope🎶🎵
Best wishes for you in your studies!
I'm actually cackling at this comment, I love it
Hello fellow extra history fan!
Best online comment I've ever read today. I'll think of it every time I hear this tune. Thanks for the chuckle!
When he said there’s a PDF I got so excited
Hope the materials helped.
Sir，I am from China and now I'm studying in college, I have searched for this kind of lessons since I knew about gregg shorthand, it's really kind of you to make this series of courses, it does help a lot, thank you sooooooooo much!
Irene, How wonderful to hear from you. I have relatives in China and visit every so often. I just got back from a month In Beijing and Harbin. I know TH-cam is not easily accessible in China and have considered putting my videos up on one of the comparable Chinese sites. Gregg as I’ve presented it may not be appropriate for taking notes in putonghua, given the tonal complexity of the language. There are some adaptations of Gregg for Chinese I’ve heard of but not studied. I can’t help much with that, but may be able to help Chinese people who want to take notes in English. I’m glad you found value in this video. I encourage you to take a look at my other videos. I would value your opinion as to whether any of them would be useful to a Chinese audience, and also your ideas of good sites to post them to. I wish you the best of fortunes with your shorthand studies in this year of the pig.
@@Howard_Wallace isnt youtube banned in china
@@patolol3091 He ver clearly addressed that issue in his reply.
@@standlegweak9854 yeah but like im talking to the chinese guy
@@patolol3091 youtube can be available in china if you use vpn
I took Gregg shorthand in High School (way back in the 1980's as my daughter would put it lol). I found my old notebooks of it in my memory box when I was cleaning the attic. I am the mother of a disabled child - Autism and Mental Retardation. I am an Advocate for her an many other parents and children with special needs in my area. I realized I SHOULD be using my shorthand skills during I.E.P. meetings when I taking notes and during the National Autism Conference. THANK YOU for posting these videos, it inspired me to buy a copy on Amazon! I got it today, and plan on watching your videos and using them in tandem with the book to help me be an even better Advocate - by taking accurate and complete notes! Thank you
Angela Glinskie I took Gregg “way back in the ‘40’s.” Great hobby for me now. I prefer pre-
Anniversary but 1888 is a wonderful introduction - go no further than Anniversary. Simplified is a McGraw-Hill
Publication. The Functional Method is useful though as it emphasizes shorthand reading as a way of learning. The Functional Method’s companion
book is the 1929 Gregg Anniversary -also the 1930
Gregg dictionary (don’t skip the
Index),
manual.
Thanks for your work on this. Wish I had learned this in High School.
I always thought a transcript of college lectures would have helped my studies a great deal.
I like your idea of using the dot paper to practice with. Very helpful!
You will find it very useful for other purposes also. It has the advantages of lined paper and graph paper. Without all the extra ink. I think it looks better than either. Tables, charts, and graphs are easy to write with dot paper. If you want to draw a timeline or make something to scale the dots also help for that.
I can't wait to figure this out. Not only would it make me awesome at work writing down everything everyone says, someone sitting next to me in a meeting will think I know Chinese!
+Ike Evans I use it at work a lot. The daily usage also helps develop the skills.
More like Arabic.
chegulag I support this notion 😂
Do you mean cursive Chinese? Because otherwise they look completely different
I would like to express my sincere thanks to you. Your method of practicing it is really useful. Also, the way how you pronounced every word slowly and emphasised each vowels helped me a lot since English is not my first language
I am pleased you found this useful.
I agree with everything you said! I have ADHD and love to learn, but I learn some stuff slowly, this is one thing I looked at and was like nope, but this time I think I understand it enough to try, thank you so much!
I learned Gregg a long time ago and could take shorthand from several individuals (during meetings) and even add punctuation (my boss dictated in perfect grammar). I had no problem reading my notes and could type directly from them. I worked for the assistant director of the production department at the national hq of the Girl Scouts. My boss looked a lot like Eleanor Roosevelt. Our department was responsible for cookies (yes we ate samples all day long) and the uniforms. When they were redesigning it back then, I was the model. Lost the skill when I left that job and people started using dictaphones. So surprised people are interested in learning!
Usage is more personal than business oriented these days.
I am thankful to discover your classes. Gregg shorthand has changed a great deal. I am just having some fun. THANK YOU! I have added a little of my history. (oh I'm 71 now)
I was in the military and I was Administrative Specialist. Once I was at my first duty station I enrolled in night classes to further my education. They offered courses in shorthand so I signed up. I couldn't believe how this improved my ability to do my job. As a guy I was always having to compete with GS secretaries. Word soon got around that I took shorthand and my typing speed. I moved up in both rank & prestige. In fact I was often far faster the many of the GS secretaries.
I am thankful to discover your classes. Gregg shorthand has changed a great deal. I am just having some fun. THANK YOU!
Thanks for sharing that. The book used in the course is the 1888 version, so you are the modern one!
Thank you. When learning Gregg decades ago, I found it most helpful to practice each stroke over and over again across the page, then alternately with its corresponding stroke size eg: pb & fv, kg & lr - until my brain registered the sizes correctly. Before making words. That was 60 years ago and I still remember them.
Thanks for the tip!
This is awesome. I learned Gregg in 1979, in high school. I was pretty good at it. Can't wait to start learning this again. Thank you so much!
Good luck Greta. Let us know how it goes.
I comment in your intro video, but I wanted to say again.....Great videos and wonderful instruction methods. You are taking me back to high school. Despite the skill not being in as much demand as it once was, I think shorthand is a great form of discipline and I highly recommend to anyone to follow your lessons. I used it throughout nursing school and found it invaluable taking notes in class. I still use it to take report on patients and use it every day. Again, wonderful videos.
Thank you so much for making these lessons and providing the materials!
You're welcome!
I was pretty good with shorthand in high school and college, but really needed a refresher....can't believe I've forgotten so much. Thanks!
I hope you enjoy refreshing your skills. It's good to have you here.
This system is a lot like Japanese: voiced "ka" is "ga", ta/da, chi/ji, (ha/)pa/ba. It's interesting. Even the difference in "chey" and "t" are similar for japanese katakana characters "shi" and "tsu" , which are シ and ツ respectively.
Very interesting!
thank you for these videos. as a freshman in high school I've been wanting to learn this since I saw it first and with the amount of notes I have to take by hand in my engineering class I figured this would be an amazing skill to finally start learning and just have in general.
Best wishes. Hope you are able to develop the skill and use it.
Dedicating my winter to learning this. Thank you for posting this!
Winter ? I learned this when I was 10, thanks to my mom. I still use it, in 4 languages. My method to introducing it to an adult would be less based on angle theories. Example: May, Lay, Pay, Day, followed by introducing all basic strokes in one lesson. Brief forms should be introduced "after" the basic phoenetic word-forms are understood.
Everyone could learn this easily at age 10, you’re not special.
Vanny Lidl Goodness. What are your accomplishments?
I learned this 36 years ago snd still remember most of it.
Is it possible to achieve 120 wpm in a year if we learn from scratch
Thank you very much Howard for the videos as well as all of the pdf resources. My father was taught Pitman shorthand when studying in Mexico but he never taught any of my sibling nor myself. I have become very interested in learning shorthand but when doing my research I found Gregg to be more of my liking since you don't need lines nor dark markings. From this first video I can tell you are a great teacher and I look forward to learning Gregg shorthand from you. Once again thanks!
Best wishes for fruitful studies, Rossy. Sometimes I like to write out poetry in Gregg. Since Gregg is phonetic, the rhymes are very visible. Of course, very few people can read it, so it is primarily a personal exercise.
Oh my gosh! I took shorthand in 1952 at the American High School in Mexico City! How delightful to find this bc I surely need a review...at least of the basics for rapid note taking of some of the wonderful video- lectures I watch. So far I've just slowed down the video and stopped it every little bit. This is great! Thank you so much. WOW!
Glad this is of use!
What a great and invaluable resource! Thank you for posting. I've taken on an interest of Gregg Shorthand for fast and personal note taking.
Adam, I'm glad you found the videos. They were put together to help people with exactly your goals. Welcome.
Hey, Howard! I've wanted to learn shorthand for ages. Thanks so much for making this tutorial available. :)
Have fun Scarlett. Let us know how it goes.
I'm 14 and want to learn shorthand because I find it tedious to write at any speed less than my reading speed (roughly 200wpm), so here I am. Honestly it's a bit intimidating reading the comments full of people who were adults more than 20 years before I was born, but, y'know, kinda exciting.
Edit: I know I'll never get to 200wpm but even 60 is way better than my messiest cursive so I'll take that.
I want to thank you for making such a helpful video, as all the PDF formats and books (that I've literally spent hours shopping online for) are no comparison to a patient teacher, albeit one through a screen.
So yeah lol, that's my story n stuff.
How cool that you are interested in this old skill. 200 wpm would put you up with the best of the shorthand writers back when it was used all the time. However, you can make incremental improvements in your handwriting speed by incorporating certain shorthand words as you learn them. Start with the most frequently used words as shown in one of my videos. But- don’t do this if you need other people to read what you’ve written. Also- take a look at my “Homeschooling Shorthand “ video and the associated materials. There I lay out a course of study that should be helpful in taking you where you want to go.
@@Howard_Wallace Thanks, your advice is noted. Actually I was thinking of buying a Gregg's Shorthand book online, since I've found a few 90th edition ones for less than five bucks, free shipping. I know it's not the most recommended, but I really don't feel like memorizing two hundred or more abbreviations. And no, I won't need anyone other than myself to be able to read what I've written. I mean, no-one even knows what shorthand even _is_ anymore.
And I doubt I'll ever manage 200wpm, but I'll certainly try haha.
All I know is once you learn Greg shorthand you never forget it or maybe it was just my teacher was phenomenal
You have a good brain! Many people lose the skill after not using it for a while.
I would say that you are correct in saying that once you learn it you never forget it. Even a senior!
Excellent fun for the whole family. Home school for all of us and the kids together we will learn this. Thank you kindly. Wish us luck
thanks so much for posting this! now that i've seen this, i really want to get good at gregg shorthand for note taking in classes
now that it's been three years since your comment, do you use it? :D
Glad I found this channel. I will be taking an English test in a few days and I'm struggling with the Listening part. However, I remember that I have a background in Shorthand and I can utilize it to improve my score in the Listening area. Thanks, Howard Wallace for creating this channel.
You are welcome!
The cheerleading coach at my high school taught the shorthand classes [4 decades ago.....ouch!] Anyway, listening and watching you I can hear her calling out the sounds for us to practice and, of course, recall the practice strokes. I'm trying to resurrect that knowledge and your videos are helping with that very much. Thanks for your work and for sharing.
You're welcome!
When I learned shorthand in school, we wrote "like" differently than you did. You put your "i" on top of the "l." We were taught to put the "i" under the "l". So the circle for the "i" looks kinda like a heart. The words "child, dad, dead, say" etc. are written differently, too. I guess the difference is because you're using a pretty old shorthand. The newer revised shorthand is a little easier. The shorthand dictionary we used is called the Gregg Shorthand Dictionary, 1963. Thank you for this video! I still use my shorthand every now and then. I'm so glad I learned it!
Bonnie, The later Gregg systems standardized on where to put the circle vowel when there are two opposed curves, like an l and a K. The circle goes on the back of the first curve, as you described. I started from an earlier version of Gregg where this convention had not yet developed.
Looks like I have some homework to do...thanks again.
Thank you for sharing so much! I used to study shorthand in 7th grade (that was in 1994) then I switched high schools and in the new one, shorthand wasn't an available class. I did learn typing by Gregg though, so I still received some of Gregg's amazing knowledge. This shorthand brings back memories. I will try to master it as it is super helpful when taking notes
Best wishes as you work on acquiring this skill.
Can I achieve 120 wpm in a year
I love this! I have taken a college course in Perpetual Help Laguna, Philippines and I needed to review my stenography. I took Medical Secretarial course and they thought Stenography and I'm so thrilled to refreshed my skills with you, sir! Thank you so much!!!
You’re welcome! Very pleased it was useful for you.
Mr. Wallace, I just found you and thank you for doing this series. I've subbed to you to refresh and relearn what I learned in high school and have used it to great personal benefit all my life. My granddaughters want to learn Gregg from me, but mine has become huge and scrawly over the years! So--thank you again!💜💜💜 Sue
How great your granddaughters want to learn. They will have a skill that sets them apart from most. How fortunate they have their grandmother to guide them!
@@Howard_Wallace Thank you!😊❤
Not sure if youve since found this but the th sound in general is represented by the "thorn" and English actually used to have a letter for it but got replaced. The thorn eventually transitioned from a letter that looked like the letters b and p overlayed to a letter that looked more like a y. Thats also why "the" is sometimes written like "ye" because that y is actually a th sound
Indeed!
the sound isn't called thorn. the letter is called thorn
@@kittyfangz5262 Youre right dont know why I said that I meant it was represented by the thorn
Yanks for the info
Thank you so much for taking the time to create the videos, explanations, and PDFs! I have never learned shorthand before, and I have a tendency to write words verbatim when I'm listening to a course online; it takes so much more time writing each word that way! Reviewing the comments, I'm so happy to embark on this version of shorthand (apparently lines and strokes sound a bit like a nuisance), so all my future note taking will be with much more speed. I really love the dotted paper you provided; I haven't downloaded the lined paper yet. I'm looking forward to all the videos you have posted; I noticed I didn't view the introduction as I see the thumbnail of it to my right.
You are welcome! Good luck with your study.
I haven't used shorthand since college but amazing, I still remember the strokes. I just lost my speed.
:)
Thank you, Mr. Wallace. I have used Gregg Shorthand for literally decades, and I can't say enough about how useful it has been. HOWEVER, just a comment on the way you wrote "like" here. It is incorrect. :) I hope many people learn Shorthand!
Thanks for the insight.
Thanks for sharing such a valuable and profitable resources video. Waiting for ur next lecture, Sir. Thanks once again.
You're welcome!
Thank you very much. It's hard to find videos with this explainations. Thanks 👍🏾
An excellent lesson. Thanks!
You're welcome!
thanks a lot. I was confused with the Gregg alphabet and this cleared things up :)
You’re welcome! Glad the video was helpful.
During my university time computer doesn't exist yet , shorthand writing is common taking notes while the professor is giving important explanation of given subject... 💗
Still good for taking notes today!
Nice explanation and resources provided!! Good work!! Thanks!🙏🏼
You’re welcome!
@@Howard_Wallace I love that people are still watching and you're still commenting 6-7 years on.
Hi Howard! I haven't seen you post on the Gregg group in awhile. I hope you are doing well. It cheers me to see so many commenting on your videos! Gregg shorthand is still alive!
Teri,
I'm doing well. Every once in a while I refer some correspondents over to the Gregg group at gregg-shorthand.com/ . It is a great resource for people who want to get deeper into the subject.
My interactions with people in that group, and with you in particular, were very helpful in assisting me to assemble the materials in these videos.
Thank you!
Thanks for all the resources
You’re welcome.
This is wild. Howard, I used to work with you. Learning shorthand for note taking. What a small world.
ginseattle - Pleased you found this channel. Hopefully some things here will be of use to you.
I need to learn this to take note in my college class, and do my work, people have stole my notes, once I learn short hand that cant take them anymore. will subscribe. GOOD LOOKING OUT. They need to place short hand back in schools
Privacy is a major advantage of shorthand in today’s world. Few people will put in the effort required to understand the shorthand and then read something written in a personal style.
I just subscribed bec ur awesome... Thanks for ur vid. Helped me a lot^^ 👏👏👏 specially da materials^^
Pleased to be of assistance!
I was #2 in my shorthand class, in HS. I’ve not retained the info, and your course is wonderful.
Thanks!
Thank you, thank you!!
You're welcome!
I had a class in high school and 2 in college. I used to be pretty good. I never used it in business so I sadly lost this skill. But I did keep my book from college. I would like to learn again.
I hope this little course is helpful for you, Beth.
Thank you very much, sir, these notes are really helpful. I like the way you teach and love your handwriting 🌸Blessings from INDIA NEW DELHI
You are welcome. Good luck with your studies.
I' m here for a refresher course. 😃
Love shorthand❤
Good luck with your refresher studies.
I found this really helpful, thanks ever so much 🙏
You're welcome!
I took SH classes in school back in the 70's as an elective, wish now that I took it seriously.
It's never too late!
Glad I found ur site, had it in high school, was great help in college. At 70, want to stimulate old braincells:-)
thank you so much wallace...i am really interested in gregg shorthand even though we have never had this lesson...it can help a lot to write faster...tnx man...
Good luck on your path forward, Leo.
haha...tnx...i may use it in very long time from 16 years till death...haha...
Thank you for preparing this course. I've been really enjoying it. Has anybody found that some of the examples in Dr. Gregg's manual is not the most accurate? For example, the first word on page 10 ("read"), it looks more like "lead" or "right" to me due to the similarity in length (long-long or short-short) of the first and last letters. Or am I interpreting the manual incorrectly?
This is why I recommend the use of the dot paper while learning, and even on an ongoing basis. It helps standardize the lengths. As you write quicker you will have more ambiguity as line lengths get less precise, and sometimes have to guess at what you wrote.
Thanks so much !
You're welcome!
I just saw your videos and Oh my gosh mister, I'm so grateful for the lectures. Question though, how long will it take for the average person write to faster? Cause I have plenty of classes and I don't know if can dedicate myself fully to learn this skill.
Here's an idea if you want to start writing faster right away. Learn it word by word. Start with the most commonly used words. Write the Gregg words you know in shorthand and all the other words as you always do. Then keep adding new commonly used words in shorthand. In one of the introductory videos I give a list of 12 commonly used words, and that is a good place to start. Figure out how to write others as you add them to your working Gregg vocabulary.
Thank you for the tips, I will do that.
i've been trying to teach myself with Gregg shorthand manual simplified, 2nd edition. i've had some trouble but lucky for me, i have an elderly neighbor who LOVES writing in shorthand! (sidenote: i pay her to tutor me in cookies)... this is incredibly helpful! i really appreciated the bit on -ng vs -ing ending. i hope you post more videos explaining more endings (-tion, -ed, -er, -or, -tial, -ient vs -iciency... etc) thank you!
+Celeste Leonard After you finish this series take a look at my Greghand videos. They'll take you a little further down the path.
i just saw your shortcuts 3! beyond helpful, thank you :)
Thank you for posting this!! I'm planning to start learning shorthand- i've downloaded all the files in your provided drive, and saved all your videos in a playlist- starting next week after my exams, but i dont have a printer so i cant print the dotted papers. My sister, though, has a notebook filled with boxed lines, is that the same?
Best wishes for your studies. Graph paper will work well for guiding you to keep the proper proportions.
@@Howard_Wallace thank you!!
thanks so much for this!!! I am starting with wh question words and most used verbs first
Best wishes!
Great, thank you!
You're welcome!
This appears to be utterly insane and impossible! I can barely tell the difference between drastically different words!....I can't believe that people actually learn how to even do this! AMAZING!...SO glad it won't be me....damn and I thought learning Morris code was hard!
Our regular written language has lots of redundancies that make it easier to read, but slower to write. For instance, i, t, and l are all vertical lines, distinguished by length. However, i's are dotted and t's are crossed, to add a redundant method to distinguish if the line length isn't sufficient. Shorthands are more difficult to read, and learning to read what you write in shorthand is just as importand as learning to write it.
Thank you for doing this!!! I have been working on this for some time with books that I've bought. I don't have much problems reading words or writing, however listening to a word then writing causes me headaches. Instead of phonetically spelling it, I spell it the alphabetical way multiple times. Is there any more techniques for listening to implement into my practice instead of saying the word multiple times?
Nick, I like to tackle the little issues one by one. As you review your notes pay attention to the words you didn't spell phonetically. Write them down in your word list so you can practice them correctly. You may find as some of the main problem words cease to be problems, the phonetic spelling of other words also becomes easier.
thank you. I learned this technique after high school and need to relearn for work
Best of luck with your studies!
Many Thanks from New Delhi, India
You're welcome.
(See 14:28) When I was taking shorthand in high school, if we'd written the word "tall" with an "a," it would have been a phonetic error. The "a" in "tall" is pronounced like the "a" in "law" and should be written using the Gregg symbol for "o" rather than "a."
Also, "chay" and "j" were written more vertically than slanted. This was helpful in keeping brief form confusion to a minimum. That is to say, a "t" by itself was obviously "it" as a brief form; a "chay" by itself was obviously "which."
We didn't use the dots, but I can see where that would be very helpful when first learning. Shorthand was a skill that proved to be so useful over the years. In the 70s, I used it to take dictation from my high-octane executive boss. It was in the field of show business, and I was instantly baptized into the hectic pace when I took the job. Thank God for my shorthand and typing skills!
Over the years, I've used it for lectures, meetings, sermons and long, detailed phone messages. As with any other skill, you lose some it as the years pass and you don't employ it all the time. Now decades later, I can record the important points of a good, meaty sermon by employing a blend of cursive and shorthand. However, I'll have to admit that there have been a handful of times when I couldn't decipher my own notes -- whether cursive or shorthand!
Great observations! Also interesting to know how this skill has been useful to you.
This is so fascinating to watch as a student of German Standard Shorthand (DEK - Deutsche Einheitskurzschrift). Many of the fundamental principles are comparable, and Gregg's B actually looks like a DEK P - T and K even being the same. I have to say that Gregg is much more flowing and not as edgy as the DEK.
A version of DEK for English exists, but it's difficult to wrap the head around because of English spoken/written vowel inconsistency that doesn't exist in German and absolutely drives me nuts.
The historical development of the European shorthands are intertwined. The developers were well aware of each other’s activities.
Most English shorthands are phonetic to get around the difficulty you mention. Even so, sometimes I catch myself inappropriately writing a silent letter from the longhand form in my shorthand.
this is so fascinating :D
Have fun with it!
@@Howard_Wallace Thank you! My boyfriend gave me a dot journal and I have been practicing with it!
Is it okay if I write some things differently than what is considered "normal"? Like sometimes I will use the gregg translator to see what some word should look like, and it will look a little different...
Koyoharu Gotouge told me to watch a video about shorthand so here I am-
Welcome. Hopefully you found some value.
Please make more lessons, you can make career of millions...
Thank you for the vote of confidence! Hopefully you have taken a look at my channel and seen the various shorthand videos and materials there. The existing set of videos was designed to take a student to a place where further self-directed development is possible, if desired. I am currently at a point in life where I’m not seeking another career. The videos are to help people become capable and self-sufficient. The videos are a vehicle. When they have taken the student to the destination they can be left behind.
Howard, I'm practicing daily (just starting). One thing confounding me is convention on where the "a" loop is placed relative to its preceding character or subsequent character. One practice method I use is writing down random words in a column, then taking a stab at the word(s) three or so time, then referring to my Gregg's Dictionary for the correct writing and do that three or four times. Ideally, my first three look just like the dictionary. However, it seem's I'm always guessing wrong where to orient that A. As in bear, pair, stare, etc. With "maim", for instance, I intuitively want to loop the A above the M characters, but the dictionary loops the A on the underside of the two Ms. It seems I get it wrong 2/3 of the time! Is there a rule I'm missing? Or, does it even matter, if I'm able to read it?
There have been various conventions in various versions of Gregg. Some get quite convoluted. Like in Anniversary you omit the r and signify its presence by looping the preceding vowel the nonstandard way. In other cases two common words may have a similar outline but they can be distinguished by differing the way a vowel is looped. In today’s world, I encourage doing it the way that feels natural to you, and makes it easy for you to write and read. You will note that in Gregg’s first text, the one used in my intro course, he does not give conventions for vowel orientation.
Thank you for this tutorial video series. I'm learning machine steno (with Plover) and Gregg is mentioned a lot by other learners. Apparently, the two systems have a similar approach, and complement each other well.
I have a question about vowels, which you partly addressed in your comment when you wrote an outline differentlly from the example in the book: is it OK to start personalising my shorthand now, using the vowels that are in my English (British Midlands) rather than the vowels given by Gregg (Midwestern US?)? Also, do you have any suggestions for how to handle dropped 'r' sounds? For example, I pronounce "lark" with a flat "ah", and no 'r'. This outline, however, is similar to "lake" - so should I keep the 'r' in, even though it's silent?
Thank you again for a great lesson. I'll be back in a couple of days to tackle 1.2. Meanwhile: columns!
+Kell Willsen Excellent question! There is a standard answer to that question, a standard answer with which I disagree. The standard answer is to choose one historical version of Gregg with an accompanying dictionary, and then write words as they appear in that dictionarry. That gives an advantage that anyone else who committed themselves to that same historical version will have an easier time reading your writing. Back when vast numbers of Gregg writers were being trained to enter the business world together that advantage carried more weight than it does today.
My suggestion for you is to develop outlines that make sense to you and are easy for you to read back. That may mean using your native pronunciation, or it could mean exploiting parallels with your machine steno, if such parallels exist.
The dictionary writers used various tricks to distinguish between different words that would be written the same in Gregg, and in some cases they just left them spelled the same and figured people could sort out the meaning from context. If you recorded your voice speaking a sentence you could probably tell whether you said "lark" or "lake." Think of Gregg the same way. If you would like to distinguish more between vowel sounds consider Gregg's distinguishing marks. I downplay them in the videos but they are a good way to put more vowel information into the outline. As you gain proficiency in reading you may find yourself dropping some of them back out.
Thank you, that's a lot of help. I'll adjust my outlines to suit my accent, and experiment with the clarity as I go.
thank u sir....lov u
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thank you for this
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Thank you very much for your videos! Very concise and informative. I'm learning slowly but surely, amazed also at this not-so-new way of writing. Was wondering if you are going to post more videos? They'd be so useful for us learning shorthand on our own. :)
Charmie, How pleasing to hear of your progress! Pretty much everyone who learns Gregg today learns by themselves. That's why I put up this short series. The series attempts to take the student to a level of development where further self-directed studies are not difficult. When you get to the end of the series and have worked all the exercises, and have been diligently doing the daily useful writing assignment you will encounter soon, you will be pointed to some of the supplementary materials I've provided. In particular, I'm providing PDF copies of the Gregg Anniversary Manual and its Solutions key. That manual has many lessons that can take you further, in directions you desire. Few people will choose to go through it lesson by lesson learning it all, but you may find a lot of things that will be useful for you in developing your own personal Gregg.
I have a lot more historical material on Gregg, and have been somewhat tempted to make additional videos. As of now I have no concrete plans to do so. I think the original objective of developing the student to a level where they can successfully self direct their own learning is still a good plan.
Some other accomplished Gregg writers have more advanced videos on TH-cam, that are above the beginner level of my videos. When you're done working through mine they may be fun for you to explore. Who knows, perhaps in a year I'll be learning new tips on Gregg shorthand from a video you produced. I am still learning too, and am not so very far beyond the stage you are at right now.
Thanks. I'm interested in learning this. How much time do you think I need in order to get a basic level?
It depends on how much you study and use it. Give it a try and see. You should have some basic utility within a few days.
Sir what would you suggest be the best shorthand statergy( ie gregg,pitman,teeline) for a newbie starting a course in shorthand?
+crimson gate32 The answer to that is highly personal. I tried to address that question in the introductory video that precedes this one. Several options are presented therein, with advantages and disadvantages for each. After going through the thought process for myself, I chose Gregg. It is time tested and has a lot of trial and error development built in. However, sometimes I wonder about some of the very interesting historical shorthands that were developed more for personal writing. However, any shorthand takes time and effort to learn, so unless you want to make the various studies into a hobby, best to pick one and then learn it.
How does one determine which side the vowel goes on? For example, at 9:34 the vowel loop flows with the curve of the F but at 10:09 the loop doesn't follow the curve of the K.
In the basic personal method I'm teaching, you can do it whichever way works better for you. It started off indeterminate in the early editions of Gregg, then later systems started adding rules. One rule that helps with legibility in fast writing is to put the vowel on the back of the first curve, for opposing curves. For instance in "reek", the e would go on the convex side of the r. I almost put that rule in the course, but opted not to for simplicity. In Anniversary, there are rules for which side the vowel goes on, and if you go the other way it implies the existence of an unwritten "r".
Short answer, if you're following my course do it the way that works best for you. You just need to be able to read what you wrote.
how do you say rehearse??? do you need to put a dot above the e or ignore it???
Hints for spelling this and many other words may be found in the anniversary dictionary included with the resource materials for this course. There is no one correct way. For many words the spelling in different editions of the dictionaries will be different. Every Gregg writer probably has their own spelling for many words. If you can read what you wrote it is correct. But the dictionary in the resources is a great place to start for ideas.
Had no idea different types to short hand. I want to learn for my own use. Due to when I get 'inspired' not able to keep up w/ my own 'flow' to paper (I'm old fashioned). Dont always have recorder handy nor practical.
W/ this is mind question: is this technique that suits? Or is there another style this teacher has being beginner friendly?
Appreciate anyones recommendations/advice.
I chose Gregg for similar reasons.
thank you
You're welcome!
I have been working through the first 3 lessons in my Gregg Shorthand 5th version, 1916 book. I am having difficulty with sizing of the k,g, r, l .... Do you know of any practice sheets where they are written in the proper sizes and you can copy it and then repeat like we do when we are teaching children to write? I am so inconsistent with the size and if the F, P you lean or be straight up and down. Any suggestions?
For guidance with sizing, I suggest the use of the dot paper as explained in the videos.
On slant, the easiest thing to do is to use the same slant you use in your regular handwriting. Dr. Gregg was clear that he designed his system to be flexible and to accommodate different hands.
Completely new to this. So we are abbreviating words while using faster lettering
You got it!
Hi Mr. Wallace, hope you're well. When I'm connecting letters with vowels I'm writing it wrong....example when I write kale- the "a" is down, it should be on top correct??- is there a rule I could use to help remember?
In the early version of Gregg Shorthand used in my videos there is no rule. Do it as you wish. In later versions it was found to be more efficient to put the circle on the convex side of the first curve.
What pen did you use to write with? The writing looks really nice.
Thank you Kathryn. The pen I used for writing on paper is a Jinhao 450 with a nib I ground myself to an italic/stub style. The whiteboard writing is done with a standard dry-erase chisel tipped marker, but I maintain a 45 degree pen angle to write with the italic style.
I am new to shorthand and just watched few videos. I have a fast writing speed when dictated so I would definitely want to know what are the other advantages of short hand? Because if one can write notes in form of small statements when necessary and record the dictation for typing later, why is then shorthand needed?
Speed and privacy are the main advantages in the modern world. If you're happy with your current skill set and need no additional speed or privacy, no need to put the effort into shorthand study.
I took Shorthand in HS ok that was a long time ago. Is there a Tablet version so that I can take notes on my tablet and maybe even translate it quickly into notes?
William, I am not aware of a program like that.
Mr Wallace, quick question...I was taught using a steno pad, so I'm not familiar with the dotted page. So how would I know when my strokes should be on the line, above the line or below the line?
I just use the dots to help judge relative sizes. For instance, n vs m, or r vs l. Other than that, just treat it like the lined paper you learned on.
Howard Wallace Thank you. I'll let you if I need further assistance.
How good is this system? Does the fact that the symbols are so similar to each other inhibit speed of writing?
Joel, That is good for speed of writing, but generally slows speed of reading. The symbols do not have the levels of redundancy of our regular alphabet.
How do you distinguish the difference between to, too, and two? Is it also based on what makes sense around the sentence?
Great question! Since Gregg shorthand is phonetic they are all written the same way. You tell the difference the same way you do when someone speaks the words.
For numbers sometimes I use the Arabic numerals, and then the symbols do look different.
Howard Wallace okay thank you!
Thank you for answering. What would you say if I ask you why should someone learn shorthand now a days. With tecnology is not used any more. Just people like me for personal notes
Many of the primary uses of shorthand from the old days have been replaced by easier and better methods. Transcription of speech is no longer necessary with the advent of easy audio recording and voice to text computer transcription programs. However, notes are still useful, because they are concise and have already been filtered to contain the most relevant information. It is much easier to find something on a page of notes than in a long audio recording. Shorthand provides an efficient way to take notes.
Not many people can read shorthand these days. That limits its use for communicating to others. However, shorthand can be an advantage if you wish to write something for yourself that others will not easily read.
I am an Indian. And honestly ur notes helped me learn in 3 days. Plus one extra video. Not an expert though I can read and write words now 💕
Also could u show how this is actually used by officials like transcripting in an official way. Applying a job which I have no idea in.
Thankyou for sharing.
Karnga, It’s great that you have picked up the skill so quickly! My uses of shorthand have been limited to personal note taking, so unfortunately I can be of little help with your question. Use the focus and drive that helped you get the basics so quickly to search out the answer in your region. I wish you the best of fortunes!
Thank you
You're welcome!
Thank you so much! I was wondering whether to learn shorthand in Spanish or English... I can see they're the very same... except for some vowels that confuse me in English... Why would "rail" be written as "r-a-l"? To me "r-e-l" is much more phonetically accurate. If I write in shorthand "k-a-t", would that be interpreted as the word "cat" or the "kate"? I'll keep watching your videos, hopefully this will be cleared up.
Hopefully you've watched the videos and have your answer. You can get rid of the ambiguity with the "distinguishing marks" shown on the alphabet page of the text, but it will slow your writing down to do so.
Howard Wallace Yes indeed! Thank for your response anyway!!
Thank you for the all the resources and videos. Since English is not my mother tongue, phonograph is really hard to learn.
see my shorthand videos
in ur language(any)
Wow your handwriting is so pretty!
Thanks!
Demon slayer manga told me to watch a video about this
Cool! Hope Demon Slayer is satisfied.