@@RandomName-xx9ls ya Gojo never really had to because of his infinity and six eyes, although he was trained to control them, I’d say he’s more gifted then hardworking
Gojo beating DBZ is still the worst take I've ever heard as if any mid tier DBZ character couldn't just blow up the planet and fuck off like tf is Gojo doing
I've heard the argument that dbz wont be able to break through infinity but super scaling is just so dumb even krillin would be able to break through infinity it's crazy the mental gymnastics people go through just so they can avoid the fact that the weakest character in the show king vegeta would be able to beat gojo.
The issue is just whether it's in character or not. A bloodlusted Yamcha could probably kill Gojo with a Kamehameha to the Earth, but would he really do it? At that point, you're just debating between stat sheets, and without the planet-busting that most characters wouldn't even have done anyways, most of the DB cast has no way of bypassing Infinity without using magic, which is already really vague in DB.
@@RushWheeler Not quite. Infinity divides the distance between the target and the attack to simulate infinite distance, it's a type of spatial manipulation. If you include filler, Base Goku crossed an infinite distance in the Otherworld Tournament arc between the Cell Games and Buu Saga, anyone as fast or faster could bypass Infinity. If you don't accept filler, Super Buu and Gotenks screamed a hole through dimensions that lead from inside of the Time Chamber to the Lookout, meaning anyone with similar our higher power could rip through Infinity.
@@cross2964 Not really sure about the Gotenks feat since it's been implied that you could just brute force your way out of the HTC and Gogeta's fight with Broly had a similar effect where they broke out of the universe, but basically anyone with magic can beat out infinity because the hax on those abilities is too strong anyways.
Saying that "Omni man could kill krillin because he is brutal" is like saying homelander coild kill superman becasue he is more brutal. Like no matter how brutal you are, it does not change the fact that you are getting oneshotted
@@OyinkansolaAgboola Yeah. Omni Man was beaten pretty badly by a Speedster, who wasn't extremely strong. He even had trouble with other lesser characters in his series. Have him get hit by a guy who can punch planets into spacedust and see how that goes lol.
Oh yes because if he didn’t train his family definitely would not get destroyed by someone or something attacking Goku, or Beerus, or have beef with Vegeta
The problem is that people who know nothing about writing and probably fell asleep in their literacy classes are speaking on writing as if they know anything about the craft
the fact that people think deku is not hard working is wild to me, he trained for 9 months at the most efficient possible pace just to not die when he gets his power, sure he doesn't have to train for his raw power but he has to train for the durability to use it more then one time without bleeding out due to interna injuries. Yes there are people who work harder for their power then him but he is a mid A tier hard working anime protagonist.
@@blast2811and he still had to work on his own body to get used to his power he only used it perfectly once during season one and even then he might’ve been an external factor of a shock absorption quirk canceling his recoil
people keep forgetting that in the SAIYAN saga, vegeta could destroy MULTIPLE planets with a single move, before dragon ball starts, king vegeta, vegeta's dad, waved his arm, and exploded 3 planets effortlesly, i mean cmon kid vegeta was stronger then his dad... meaning VEGETA as a KID could destroy multiple planets, since thats AGES ago in the dragon ball verse, every relevant character is WAYYYYYY above planetary
@@TannerBannerz true that, but lets be honest, even if its not cannon, its really cool loll. plus we all know everyone in dragon ball would solo omni man, ngl even mr. satan would loll
@@Gerbseri Mr. Mark Satan is Town+ level for the bus feat and the feats he accomplished in the tournaments and what he did in the Buu Saga and he isn't even faster than sound as he can't dodge bullets fired from a generic assault rifle. Mark might be able to beat Homelander if he gets lucky but Omni-Man speed blitzes and one shots.
Goku wasn't even a prodigy, he just seemed like that because he was on Earth. He is a low level Saiyan and was born with a low power level. He definitely wasn't gifted.
He was gifted bros literally from a race known throughout the universe for being a formidable warrior race saiyans were dumb they thought high and low class mattered. Some even thought because they were born strong there was no need to train. So Goku was gifted from the start of the series he’s a genius when it comes to fighting and he also surpassed Vegeta in just a year and he was considered a high class so I really don’t think being a low and high class saiyan matter they’re all gifted with saiyan cells and zenkais and gifted to adapt quickly in a fight.
@@Meme-saviourAnd now he surpassed every saiyan on that planet because he was gifted and also put in hard work and didn’t buy into that only high class can become the strongest. All saiyans are gifted it’s just the ones on planet vegeta didn’t take advantage of those gifts because they were branded as a low class and they didn’t believe in training because they thought no other life form could pose a threat and also they thought because they were considered low class they couldn’t keep up or surpass a high class saiyan or Frieza well that’s how I see it at least.
@@Zamasu-op7zz And he was considered so weak by his race that even his father thought he was a waste of space and only started to acknowledge him because he saw a prophecy of him fighting frieza. And you forget that Goku started training when he was a child and if he didn't train then he most likely wouldn't even be able to beat King Piccolo or Master Roshi. Now based on that I can't really see how his "formidable warrior race" gift was such a big deal the only thing his race did for him is the transformations and the zenkai boost other than that he isn't reallly gifted and his strength comes from the hard work of training. If his race actually made him so strong since birth other than the oozaru form then the moment he landed on earth and punched grandpa gohan he would have killed him. Goku got strong because of his hard work and training not because of his saiyan race gift. If he actually lived by the saiyan beliefs and relied only on his power level and race then he wouldn't have even reached super saiyan.
@@atomgamer7853That’s obvious that he wouldn’t get close to the level he is now if he didn’t train you could say the same for vegeta. But if Goku was a normal human he would’ve been defeated and probably wouldn’t even have the power level of a thousand. So like I said he was gifted that was the problem with saiyans they believed too much into saiyans being a failure and a low class just because the kid had a low power level at birth when in reality it doesn’t matter those saiyan cells and hard work matters it might be a little harder then other saiyans because they might’ve had a higher power level then the other kid but that’s just genetics the same as other races like a human kid might be 6 feet and more muscular then the other kid but that doesn’t make the other kid any less of a human and it also doesn’t mean the other kid can’t get on his level it just means the kid has better genetics and had better luck. And that was the case with saiyans like Goku and Vegeta one just had better genetics and the other still over came that with help of his saiyan gens and also hard work.
The amount of misinformation and slander against Dragonball these days is wild. Anyone who says Goku isnt pure hard work clearly didnt watch the series so ill immediately ignore your wrong opinion
80% of Goku's downtime is spent training,the other 20% is him eating or being dead. Fighting is Goku's whole life,bro's always looking to breach his ceiling.
@@Chadmiral its the same thing as if you were to tell a guy that trains and workouts out most of his time "oh your just big cause your genetics" and ignore the fact they are in the gym 6 times a week for years.... makes no sense and anyone thats seen the show knows Goku busts his ass. He was seen as a weak as hell lower class sayian compared to Vegeta. Even when hes dead hes training too lol
All u need to do is watch just one series alone, hell one episode alone with goku and he’s training and training overtime, like really? No hard work? Bs
I still remember watching Season 2 and just seeing Goku train for the entire season and almost die doing so. I also love how half of the first season was Goku training. Season 5 and 6 was mostly Goku training, we find out that during the 7 Year timeskip, he's been constantly training with the most powerful and skilled people in thr Afterlife. Plus in Super they spend half of each arc, training. The amount of dedication snd incredibly hard work Goku has done is crazy and shouldn't be undermined.
@@ineedit1772 fr Goku trained all of his life and is still training to this day and is still weak to some characters especially in the recent mangas and don’t get me started on how goku never got the chance to beat vegeta or Beerus like
@@Skeletal-Dude hey thats because of how big dragon ball super is with too many OP characters and simple characters that are extremely gifted so they become OP in an instant
they also put Saitama into "hard working"😂😂 He literaly made 100 push ups and became the strongest in his verse . I'm betting the person who made that list just hates on dragon ball because DB characters can solo their favourite verses🤣
Ok for super you can kinda say that he was a bad father but I mean by that point his firstborn was already an adult with a wife and kid and his second son was a teen who can take care of himself so I can kinda see your point but if you are talking about him being a bad father in dbz then you're delusional I won't say he was the greatest father for Gohan in dbz because he wasn't at times but you can't say he wasn't there for his son when the only times he wasn't there was times when he couldn't be there like you know when he was dead or so heavily injured he couldn't move his body and the times he did die he literally died for gohan's sake like you know when he died fighting his brother to save gohan or you know when gohan's arrogance against cell almost caused the destruction of earth otherwise in dbz goku was always there for gohan and even goten when he was alive.
Ofc krillin would no diff omniman like an ant but Omni man would be comparable to saiyan saga characters , he’s comparable to characters who destroy planets in his comic
Raditz can destroy small planets such as Earth (Earth is considered small in DB) so Omni-Man would be below Raditz but be able to solo all of OG DB pretty easily.
A friend of one of my friends joined our PlayStation party and eventually got we into an argument about Naruto and said NARUTO CAN'T FLY AND CLAIMS TO HAVE READ THE ENTIRE MANGA. I swear to God the people with these opinions don't even watch the shows they see clips on TH-cam and Tik Tok and think they have enough information to form a valid opinion.
@amadujalo8914 now that he's lost Kurama he can't access six paths chakra mode so he can't fly anymore but that doesn't matter boruto was never in the conversation cuz he never watched it.
@ClarkeMichaelDuncan and that's exactly what I did and the Google Assistant spoke out loud he heard that shit and said that's Google you can't trust that shit the copium is crazy.
0:00 Bro hollon 1:00 let me talk 2:00 like bro moving 3:00 stiff when he walk 4:00 im too tact 5:00 got the G on my 6:00 like, im too tact 7:00 got the G 8:00 im in court 9:00 on the E-way 10:00 put it in sport 11:00 bro press the 12:00 gas and get 13:00 low from the law
Asta was not gifted he had to train his whole life. He was born with no magic in a world where magic is everything. I know he got the 5 leaf grimoire but he wouldn't be able to use the sword if he never train because it's way to have. If he didn't train he couldn't use the sword can't use the sword no magic knight squad no magic knight squad no series
SHIT EVEN THEN tell me one time Astas anti magic gave him a free win or anything? Cause you can't until like post time skip he literally did not get a solo win till then and had to jump every single villian he fought. People stay saying asta is broken and shit in his verse because he as anti magic yet don't want to mention the fact that if you're stronger then asta you can overpower his anti magic it happens several times in the show
My problem with some fans is that they oversimplify things without context. They see that anti-magic is very strong and that Asta was gifted it with the grimoire. Therefore, Asta = Gifted. It's awful logic and allows people to get off bad takes constantly
I feel like it's just a matter of not knowing how power creep works. I feel like it's something you get familiar with after you watch a couple action series or play enough rpgs
@@raptormage2209 people can't do base math. Vegeta (Saiyan saga) with a power level of 18k was planetary. Current Krilin is like 77383368393733838 times stronger than that Vegeta. Now he's probably between Perfect(er) Cell and Fat Bu (Bu saga). So at least solar system level because Cell was going to destroy the solar system with Perfect Kamehameha
Appreciate it. I just like to call out some of the things I see when I notice no one talking about it. I am prone to making mistakes so these videos are good environments for me to learn stuff too
god damn bro is cooking but ngl the fact you even brought up how it should probably be a spectrum in the "hard working" and "gifted" is actually amazing, you really COOKED with this shit holy damn this is amazing
@@KingofCurthes He does NOT beat RoR NOR Bleach. Krillin at best is around Solar System level. Characters in RoR and Bleach reach EASILY universal+ levels of power.
I just found your channel like less than an hour ago I was literally just finished watching your first 2 anime hot takes videos just to see this uploaded 10 minutes ago lol.
One of my "friends" said Dabi beats Zamasu, and I'm not talking about regular Zamasu (who would still slam Dabi) but Fused Zamasu. Safe to say we're no longer friends
People really think Goku is gifted? He literally has the *least* amount of potential out of every Saiyan on Earth, yet he’s consistently the strongest.
Calling deku gifted is insane since he had to go thru 10 months of insane training to even just be able to contain one for all, like dude had to go thru hell to be able to not break his limbs everytime he used it 😭🙏
Absolutely agree with this take and people like to say that piccolo was a better father figure for gohan when he literally left him alone for 6 months to survive on his own and then spent another 6 months beating him daily until he was near death each time. Which I think is hilarious when you consider how Goku was there during Gohan's early childhood which let's be real some dad's in real life don't even do and the only times he couldn't be there for him was when he was dead or when he was heavily injured after the saiyan saga and frieza saga.
@@maux9175 and the thing is, he was dead when he was "absent", firstly during the Saiyan saga, when he wanted to be strong enough to fight the Saiyans, so he trained with King Kai in Otherworld, and then there was the Cell saga when he wanted to stay dead since he believed he was attracting villains
I think a good way to gauge Luffy's skill in comparison to other characters is to treat Luffy as a skill for a gun and other characters as skill for a sword. Sure, somebody with sword-skill is much easier to discern than somebody with gun-skill since you can visibly see the ability have using a sword. A gun may not appear to take much skill to use, but it takes good aim, a good understanding of the mechanisms, and a handle of the gun's power to use it practically. Basically, Luffy's skill is much more cemented in a deep understanding of his devil fruit and his own body rather than the way he fights with his hands.
I like the analogy you made with the gun a lot. Aesthetics seem to matter a lot when people think about skill, but a lot of things can be considered skills than one may originally think
Even though I'm Naruto's biggest hater, I will admit you made some decent points. I personally find the writing in Naruto to have massive problems, but whatever. What I would advise though, is to not make the "it's popular so it can't be bad" argument. It's reductive and also, there has been tons of terrible shit that got really popular. It's just a Drake stan ahh argument.
Here’s a take for you: putting two characters from two different anime’s against each other has and always will be stupid. More often than not said characters would probably never fight each other and even if they did the power leveling between different animes make things convoluted as hell. It’s even worse if it’s Death Battle where they intentionally omit key aspects of a character that discredit their decision
Hot take: If Kishimoto wrote Naruto in a more dark direction that made it more about ninjas with tricky jutsu and different levels of skills for their jutsu instead of BIG FLASHY JUTSU, the series would have been far for popular and better than it is now.
I hate the Ichigo gifted only list when this dude really be training to the death every Arc. Buddy trained for 3 months straight by throwing hands with his inner soul with 0 breaks and 100% running Fade. Throw him into Hardwork and gifted
I think if he was moving like Aizen, he could've used the Hogyoku to evolve, but his base abilities just aren't strong enough to be Top 1 in the Bleach verse
People forget that Goku was considered a Low-Class Saiyan. If he were gifted, he would have been considered Elite by Saiyan Society and their Talent-Based Caste System.
Correction at 10:00 this feat is a little misleading. Haku is only moves at light speed INSIDE the mirrors. Once haku leaves the mirrors to attack he is normal speed which is why naruto and sasuke were able to react. So reanimated Toji vs sasuke retrieval team Toji will most likely win bc of speed blitz and most of the kids don’t have much options to deal with him other than neji and naruto
Toji would cap out at chunin exam level due to his craziness and tools but like tenten tools would quickly get overshadowed by the DBZness that shipuden became
Fair enough, thought it was a bit ode for light speed to be in the first arc. I still feel like Toji gets slammed though, considering Chidori was a move that could cut lightning and Sasuke was using that during the latter part of the Chunin exams.
@@Loldino897 fair a lot of shippuden characters you need some amount of hacks up your sleeve to beat them which Toji doesn’t have. He’s just high stats and skill and 2 good weapons. Best he can do is defeat a small couple of top tiers if catch them lacking like gaara or Lee
@@olamasama9243 Toji flashed step in granny. Being so real he might just dodge chidori especially bc chidori is a somewhat predictable attack. You charge a lightning hand and run in a direct straight line towards your opponent
@@supersage7793 1. Haku is a Jounin level fighter and fun fact Jounin easily evaded Darui's laser circus easily. Which is a light speed feat. All Anbu are stated to be able to attack at light speed. And fun fact some Anbu are actually not even Jounin. Kiba negs Toji + 99% of JJK verse. Also Toji is Mach 3
That whole first Naruto section made me so happy. People misinterpret the themes of that series so much and it drives me crazy. It seems like a lot of people just zero in on certain elements and ignore everything else.
I always see the Neji fight brought up in that argument of "Hard work beats talent" when that was not the point of that fight at all. If it was, then it might as well have been rock lee vs neji
@@olamasama9243 100% Like...the hard work versus natural talent thing is there, but it's basically only the main idea in one side plot of one arc. People really get mad at this series for not being something that it never claimed to be.
@@olamasama9243 100%. The hard work vs natural talent thing is there, but it's basically only the main focus for one side plot of one arc. Some criticisms of this series just seem like disliking it for not being something that it never claimed to be.
I disagree heavily with the toji vs mahoraga take cause of several reasons and it comes from a big misunderstanding of how mahoraga's adaption works 1. Mahoraga does not adapt to physical capabilites, not only is this not the case but it has never been stated or shown. The anime adaption of the fight prolongs the fight but for anyone who read the manga sukuna disposed of and handle mahoraga very quickly. Mahoraga's adaptiona allows him to adapt to phenomena over time based on the frequency of how many times he recieves the attack however mahoraga does not actually get physically stronger or faster to fight his opponent he just negates what his opponent can do to him by applying new methods of overcoming him. 15f sukuna for the entire duration of the fight was outspeeding and physically outperforming mahoraga throughout the entire duration. If mahoraga did have the ability to adapt to physical aspects he would've against 15f sukuna and would've against gojo 2, Toji depending on the version your taking has multiple ways to put down mahoraga. The easiest one to explain is the split soul katana which allows the user to attack the soul negating all forms of durability. This singular sword alone should be more then enough to handle mahoraga as multiple if not 1 big slash from this sword would exorcise him, Yes mahoraga over time would adapt to it but the adaption only matters if your under the impression that mahoraga has enough time throughout the fight do actually come up with a strategy. The second weapon being the inverted spear of heaven is an instant win condition. To understand this we need to undestand the ability of the ISOH. The weapon as per toji's explaination releases any and all active techniques. The key word being active here which is talking to the process of flowing cursed energy through ones innate technique activating it. Since all techniques in the show require a flow of cursed energy to essentially work this means the weapon can negate all cursed techniques, its also important to understand here that mahoraga is a shikigami beloing to the 10 shadows technique, and is only there so long as the technique remains active. If toji hits either megumi let alone mahoraga with the inverted spear it would release the cursed energy that megumi is flowing into the technique effectively releasing mahoraga and winning the fight 3. Toji possesses the physical capabilities to fight mahoraga, during the culling games arc an awakened maki was capable of going blow for blow with a 15f sukuna who also admitted was actually a threat. The same 15f sukuna who was outpacing and outpowering mahoraga throughout the entire fight. A big misconception that a lot of people have is the aspect of sukuna being nerfed in megumi's body however forget to understand thats its only said that sukuna's cursed technique output is nerfed not his physical prowess. This means that on a basis of speed and power maki was able to react and contend with a 15f sukuna sustaining no damages. Backed up by the fact that sukuna states fighting maki is akin to fighting mahoraga due to understanding and visualization of cursed techniques on the level of mahoraga would put toji's senses equal if not better then mahoraga whos visualization and understanding is greater then that of the six eyes. Couple that with precognition which was so effective that it allowed maki to track the speed and movement of cursed naoya moving at more then 3x the speed of sound and not only react but also launch counter attacks, mahoraga being unable to sense toji due to lack of cursed energy, and the weaponary to put him down. As for durability this isn't in question current maki was capable of withstanding 2 point blank black flashes from an awakened sukuna who was actually excited to fight her and claimed that in contrast to people like yuta she was the main course after gojo, mind you this is the same maki who scales equal to toji. I would say that toji has a very high likleyhood of winning that matchup In my opinion toji wins high - extreme difficulty depending on how long the fight is prolonged for however with the tools i've just stated either 1 of the 2 options is more then enough to deal with him.
I mean if we're being fair, that 15F Sukuna that Maki fought was being suppresed by Megumi by a fair bit. And Mahoraga can still adapt to physical capabilities. In the fight against Gojo as the fight went on, we saw Mahoraga starting to keep up with the speed of Gojo. Our pseudo debate also may also depend on whether we're going off the anime extended scenes vs the manga, where Sukuna beat Mahoraga much quicker. Therefore the whole adapting to physical stats is more difficult cause of the speed of the battle. In the anime, the fight is longer so it looks worse for the adaptation of Mahoraga.
@@olamasama9243 1. Thats not a fair argument to make whatsoever, again this proves that a lot of people don't understand the difference between output and physical strength. It is speficially said that only sukuna's output for his cursed technique was being surpressed by megumi not his physical ability. He is still as strong as a normal 15f sukuna the only difference is that he can't use his technique which means that maki scales on a physical basis on this version of sukuna. Would maki beat a 15f sukuna in a head on fight probably not but on a purely physical basis she equals him based on feats 2. Mahoraga's adaption not only takes time but also has shown to not be capable of adapting to physical differences in the opponent, if this was the case he would've adapted to either sukuna or gojo's physicality in each respective fight as a way of giving himself the edge but he didn't. In both instances he was getting physical out competed throughout the entire fight, again the anime makes the fight seem somewhat closer however in the manga 15f sukuna washed him just like he did kashimo in quick succession 3. Mahoraga was not keeping up with gojo's speed, this is a lie. If we were to take this argument as fact there would be no way gojo would be fighting a 3v1 against 2 opponenets who would equal him physically regardless of the presence of infinity, at no point during that entire fight did mahoraga show speed relativity to gojo, its actually quite the opposite as gojo showed multiple times to be capable of reacting and fighting mahoraga simultaenously whilst fighting other opponenets. This is just a false statement 4. Whilst considering anime extended scenes, this proves my point even further. Cause even in a drawn out fight in the anime mahoraga still did not adapt to sukuna's physical capabilities and was nowhere near a match for him on a physicality basis. This is all with disregarding the fact that sukuna puts maki's level of vizualiation and understanding of cursed techniques equal to that of mahoraga who has greater vizualiation of cursed techniques then even the six eyes. If maki's ocular abilities scale him, physical abilities based on feats are better then his and possesses the weapons to put him down I see no reason as to why toji wouldn't be able to do the same if not easier with more weapons giving him a larger arsenal and more versatility, higher battle iq and signficantly more experience in comparison to maki alongside all the physical abilities they are relative in Toji and Maki individually can beat mahoraga especially in toji's case if you consider him using the inverted spear of heaven which would one shot mahoraga and instantly deactivate him since he is a shikigami of a cursed technique which means he is part of an active technique. Can mahoraga win yes however only if mahoraga adapts to the weapons that toji and maki would use against him which as we know his adaption takes time to do unless they spam the same attack which they wouldn't do cause both the split soul katana and inverted spear of heaven can 1 shot him Toji and maki > mahoraga mid - high difficulty individually
Ngl, as much as I prefer Zoro over Sanji, Sanji isn’t a bad character, he has actual depth, unlike most of the perverts like the Grape Child from MHA. But Zoro is still the G.O.A.T, every fight he had, he was at a disadvantage.
@@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211 rewatch the fight in whole cake kat not only damn near killed luffy twice, luffy ran away then came back and got cooked again, learned future sight and was still getting cooked, kat injured himself and still was cooking luffy and luffy’s used a “new” transformation and still got put in the dirt and after the final clash they was both knocked out for like 45 minutes only for kat to be standing over him, in my opinion kat gave up if he was blood lusted luffy would have definitely lost
@@bluntlee555 dude you are so wrong. At the end of the fight katakuri and luffy were literally fighting evenly and you didn’t watch the fight if you think otherwise. This same luffy got *one shot* by kaido. And at the end of wano, luffy (without gear five) was an actual challenging kaido. This is not a debate.
Master Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 125 during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, it's nothing compared to what Krilling from the tournament of power can do. T.O.P Krillin solos omni man.
Aside from Krillin One shotting Omniman, the beard came from time being sped up on that planet. So he aged a couple months on that planet, in a matter of minutes. But Krillin still mercs Omniman no trouble
Kishimoto tried to say once during the first arc of Naruto that no one in his series was faster than a bullet, but somehow Haku moves at lightspeed between mirrors. Bro might not be a bad writer but he doesn't understand physics
@@KJH777GD Goku is stronger, but Steve is winning, his respawn time is just superior, and if he is a pro player he definitely knows the sacred ritual of /gamemode c which turn him immortal, even if Goku blow up the planet, he doesn't need to breath and the void isnt space because gravity still exist there so no way to die but haki probably still work cause its existence erase so Beerus could erase your Minecraft account force you to used a new one
I actually agree with the Naruto isn’t a revolutionary point but not because of the reason that was brought up. It’s simply because Naruto doesn’t use revolution as a methods to enact political change. He just becomes hokage and changes things while keeping the base political system the same.
@RandomGirl785 how? Revolution by definition is the violent overthrow of one political system for another. Naruto never wanted to do anything of the sort so he isn’t a revolutionary. Just pushing for change doesn’t mean a revolution.
If we have to be honest, all of the takes in this video are terrible, BUT, there is one take that would be true if the guy used different words - kishimoto is deffinetly a good writer, but compared to his "competition" During the times naruto manga shined, his story deffinetly has the worst writing
I’d say it’s good..Yes it’s slightly rushed and the characters don’t have time to be cared for, and it’s debatably carried by its art style (I don’t think it is if anything I feel like the art style doesn’t fit for a lot of scenes. Just go online and read the manga imo) and sad backstories trope but it did a solid job for what it gave us
6:40 also it would make him a bad writer if he refused to take feedback it is a good thing that he would take inspiration from outside sources also how are deku (cleaned a whole trashed beach and dealt with his powers destroying his body upon use for a long time), Tanjiro (trained for two years, and is basically constantly working for no pay), and Zoro (literally has no powers he just trains hella) considered gifted? Hot take: mob solos jjk idk if this really hot or not but defo true
Saying Goku is "gifted" when he was born with a single digit power level, which is lower than most humans lol. Mans is the definition of hard work. Over the years, his fighting experience just made him really good at it and seem like a genius.
HOT TAKE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Gojo would beat sukuna in a fair 1v1 without 10 shadows (Ik that Gojo himself said that "i would propably lose even without 10 shadows" but i dont belive him) Sukuna without adaptation and world cutting slash has no win cons against Gojo
4:36 Actually this guy made a good point not criticizing the creator But how a lot of the stuff in Naruto was done by the editor . For example " SASUKE " was added by the editor and alot of other things His point is that the editor does a lot of the work Of course he isnt right but he did make some points 😅
What are some other hot takes you have or have heard? Comment down below cause they'll be used in a future video
heard multiple times Gojo can beat anyone and is invincible because of infity. ☠☠
@@rivithherath3155oh that take is so annoying since there are a lot of characters that can bypass Gojo's infinity
Kaido would beat krillin because krillin is fodder the podcast that said this I like them but that take was not it
“Zoro is relative to Luffy and Luffy is weak to swords therefore Zoro could beat luffy in a fight”
@@wilfridekoue1405 yes fr so annyoing they need a reality check
"Zoro does not work hard". I guess those 1 ton dumbells were full of air 😂
Fr man, I’m not even a one piece fan but I’ve actually watched the damn show. Man worked harder as a kid than gojo has ever in his life.
@@RandomName-xx9ls ya Gojo never really had to because of his infinity and six eyes, although he was trained to control them, I’d say he’s more gifted then hardworking
@@JustrmlaThe fact that Gojo gets to train and perfect his broken ability is a gift by itself
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@@DiegoXRA training is trying tho 🤷🏽♂
Gojo beating DBZ is still the worst take I've ever heard as if any mid tier DBZ character couldn't just blow up the planet and fuck off like tf is Gojo doing
I've heard the argument that dbz wont be able to break through infinity but super scaling is just so dumb even krillin would be able to break through infinity it's crazy the mental gymnastics people go through just so they can avoid the fact that the weakest character in the show king vegeta would be able to beat gojo.
Besides jjk don’t have planet busting feats like dbz cast can do on a bad day
The issue is just whether it's in character or not. A bloodlusted Yamcha could probably kill Gojo with a Kamehameha to the Earth, but would he really do it? At that point, you're just debating between stat sheets, and without the planet-busting that most characters wouldn't even have done anyways, most of the DB cast has no way of bypassing Infinity without using magic, which is already really vague in DB.
@@RushWheeler Not quite. Infinity divides the distance between the target and the attack to simulate infinite distance, it's a type of spatial manipulation. If you include filler, Base Goku crossed an infinite distance in the Otherworld Tournament arc between the Cell Games and Buu Saga, anyone as fast or faster could bypass Infinity. If you don't accept filler, Super Buu and Gotenks screamed a hole through dimensions that lead from inside of the Time Chamber to the Lookout, meaning anyone with similar our higher power could rip through Infinity.
@@cross2964 Not really sure about the Gotenks feat since it's been implied that you could just brute force your way out of the HTC and Gogeta's fight with Broly had a similar effect where they broke out of the universe, but basically anyone with magic can beat out infinity because the hax on those abilities is too strong anyways.
Saying that "Omni man could kill krillin because he is brutal" is like saying homelander coild kill superman becasue he is more brutal. Like no matter how brutal you are, it does not change the fact that you are getting oneshotted
For real. Krillin would just hit Omni Man with a Solar Flare, blind him, then beat the breaks off him.
Fact
@@Zac_Frost🎉🎉🎉
@@Zac_Frost Even if omniman lands a direct hit on krillin, his fist would explode since krillin is so much more durable than him
@@OyinkansolaAgboola Yeah. Omni Man was beaten pretty badly by a Speedster, who wasn't extremely strong. He even had trouble with other lesser characters in his series.
Have him get hit by a guy who can punch planets into spacedust and see how that goes lol.
You couldn’t even say something like “goku only stops training when he dies” cuz bro literally trains when he’s dead. He is pure hard work
He is A FIEND for training, his life is literally built on that grind
you also can't even say that "Goku stops training when he fights" because he gets stronger as he fights, training equals getting stronger
You also can’t say something like “Goku stops training when he’s with Chichi” cuz he’s still training her ass in bed
Hard work and abandoning your friends and family to train because he's a battle hungry meathead.
Oh yes because if he didn’t train his family definitely would not get destroyed by someone or something attacking Goku, or Beerus, or have beef with Vegeta
The problem is that people who know nothing about writing and probably fell asleep in their literacy classes are speaking on writing as if they know anything about the craft
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Most if not all authors need an editor. Oda needed one. Akira Toryama needed one, etc etc
I’m so happy he defended Naruto, a lot of clowns in recent years have been trying to say the series is bad.
I’m actually pretty good but I don’t really like to read and I don’t have anything to read for mangas to
@@emmarod8746Fr it’s good
YEAH MOST OF THEM THINK DEPRESSED CHARACTER = BETTER WRITTEN CHARACTER
the fact that people think deku is not hard working is wild to me, he trained for 9 months at the most efficient possible pace just to not die when he gets his power, sure he doesn't have to train for his raw power but he has to train for the durability to use it more then one time without bleeding out due to interna injuries. Yes there are people who work harder for their power then him but he is a mid A tier hard working anime protagonist.
Not to mention he started off late compared to everyone else who had their quirks since five
@@blast2811and he still had to work on his own body to get used to his power he only used it perfectly once during season one and even then he might’ve been an external factor of a shock absorption quirk canceling his recoil
people keep forgetting that in the SAIYAN saga, vegeta could destroy MULTIPLE planets with a single move, before dragon ball starts, king vegeta, vegeta's dad, waved his arm, and exploded 3 planets effortlesly, i mean cmon kid vegeta was stronger then his dad... meaning VEGETA as a KID could destroy multiple planets, since thats AGES ago in the dragon ball verse, every relevant character is WAYYYYYY above planetary
Just because you can fight planetary people does not mean you can destroy one
I agree with yo claim but the last part with King Vegeta ain’t Canon, we never actually saw him do that in the manga. (He could prob do it tho)
@@Codename_kzero dawg master roshi at the start of dragonball could explode the entire moon
@@TannerBannerz true that, but lets be honest, even if its not cannon, its really cool loll. plus we all know everyone in dragon ball would solo omni man, ngl even mr. satan would loll
@@Gerbseri Mr. Mark Satan is Town+ level for the bus feat and the feats he accomplished in the tournaments and what he did in the Buu Saga and he isn't even faster than sound as he can't dodge bullets fired from a generic assault rifle.
Mark might be able to beat Homelander if he gets lucky but Omni-Man speed blitzes and one shots.
Goku wasn't even a prodigy, he just seemed like that because he was on Earth. He is a low level Saiyan and was born with a low power level. He definitely wasn't gifted.
He was gifted bros literally from a race known throughout the universe for being a formidable warrior race saiyans were dumb they thought high and low class mattered. Some even thought because they were born strong there was no need to train. So Goku was gifted from the start of the series he’s a genius when it comes to fighting and he also surpassed Vegeta in just a year and he was considered a high class so I really don’t think being a low and high class saiyan matter they’re all gifted with saiyan cells and zenkais and gifted to adapt quickly in a fight.
@@Zamasu-op7zz and was the absolute epitome of pathetic on his planet
@@Meme-saviourAnd now he surpassed every saiyan on that planet because he was gifted and also put in hard work and didn’t buy into that only high class can become the strongest. All saiyans are gifted it’s just the ones on planet vegeta didn’t take advantage of those gifts because they were branded as a low class and they didn’t believe in training because they thought no other life form could pose a threat and also they thought because they were considered low class they couldn’t keep up or surpass a high class saiyan or Frieza well that’s how I see it at least.
@@Zamasu-op7zz And he was considered so weak by his race that even his father thought he was a waste of space and only started to acknowledge him because he saw a prophecy of him fighting frieza. And you forget that Goku started training when he was a child and if he didn't train then he most likely wouldn't even be able to beat King Piccolo or Master Roshi. Now based on that I can't really see how his "formidable warrior race" gift was such a big deal the only thing his race did for him is the transformations and the zenkai boost other than that he isn't reallly gifted and his strength comes from the hard work of training. If his race actually made him so strong since birth other than the oozaru form then the moment he landed on earth and punched grandpa gohan he would have killed him. Goku got strong because of his hard work and training not because of his saiyan race gift. If he actually lived by the saiyan beliefs and relied only on his power level and race then he wouldn't have even reached super saiyan.
@@atomgamer7853That’s obvious that he wouldn’t get close to the level he is now if he didn’t train you could say the same for vegeta. But if Goku was a normal human he would’ve been defeated and probably wouldn’t even have the power level of a thousand. So like I said he was gifted that was the problem with saiyans they believed too much into saiyans being a failure and a low class just because the kid had a low power level at birth when in reality it doesn’t matter those saiyan cells and hard work matters it might be a little harder then other saiyans because they might’ve had a higher power level then the other kid but that’s just genetics the same as other races like a human kid might be 6 feet and more muscular then the other kid but that doesn’t make the other kid any less of a human and it also doesn’t mean the other kid can’t get on his level it just means the kid has better genetics and had better luck. And that was the case with saiyans like Goku and Vegeta one just had better genetics and the other still over came that with help of his saiyan gens and also hard work.
The amount of misinformation and slander against Dragonball these days is wild. Anyone who says Goku isnt pure hard work clearly didnt watch the series so ill immediately ignore your wrong opinion
80% of Goku's downtime is spent training,the other 20% is him eating or being dead.
Fighting is Goku's whole life,bro's always looking to breach his ceiling.
@@Chadmiral its the same thing as if you were to tell a guy that trains and workouts out most of his time "oh your just big cause your genetics" and ignore the fact they are in the gym 6 times a week for years.... makes no sense and anyone thats seen the show knows Goku busts his ass. He was seen as a weak as hell lower class sayian compared to Vegeta. Even when hes dead hes training too lol
yeah i feel like dragon ball gets disrespected too much nowadays. and its always from new gen anime fans.
All u need to do is watch just one series alone, hell one episode alone with goku and he’s training and training overtime, like really? No hard work? Bs
I still remember watching Season 2 and just seeing Goku train for the entire season and almost die doing so. I also love how half of the first season was Goku training. Season 5 and 6 was mostly Goku training, we find out that during the 7 Year timeskip, he's been constantly training with the most powerful and skilled people in thr Afterlife. Plus in Super they spend half of each arc, training.
The amount of dedication snd incredibly hard work Goku has done is crazy and shouldn't be undermined.
10:27 MHA is the reason why many people think people who watch anime are weebs lol
That was alrd the case around 2008
I'm a weeb.
@KONO_DEVON_DA We'll you might want to check. You see, those glasses might be broken just like your thoughts on me!
nah, just the fandom of MHA solo'd to create that stereotype
There's nothing wrong with MHA, it's just their fans
7:27 Goku was literally born with a power level of 2 while kid Gojo was… do I even need to explain Kid Gojo bruh 😂
Kid Gojo had the entire verse shook when he was like 5
@@olamasama9243 that’s what I’m saying how can people say goku was gifted but gojo isn’t like did they get mixed up in the gifted and earned category
Thing is despite the fact Gojo HAS put in work, when he didnt he was already Special Grade. Hes defo gifted
@@ineedit1772 fr Goku trained all of his life and is still training to this day and is still weak to some characters especially in the recent mangas and don’t get me started on how goku never got the chance to beat vegeta or Beerus like
@@Skeletal-Dude hey thats because of how big dragon ball super is with too many OP characters and simple characters that are extremely gifted so they become OP in an instant
Goku being gifted? Have these people not seen all the memes of Goku being a bad father just to go train?
they also put Saitama into "hard working"😂😂
He literaly made 100 push ups and became the strongest in his verse .
I'm betting the person who made that list just hates on dragon ball because DB characters can solo their favourite verses🤣
Ok for super you can kinda say that he was a bad father but I mean by that point his firstborn was already an adult with a wife and kid and his second son was a teen who can take care of himself so I can kinda see your point but if you are talking about him being a bad father in dbz then you're delusional I won't say he was the greatest father for Gohan in dbz because he wasn't at times but you can't say he wasn't there for his son when the only times he wasn't there was times when he couldn't be there like you know when he was dead or so heavily injured he couldn't move his body and the times he did die he literally died for gohan's sake like you know when he died fighting his brother to save gohan or you know when gohan's arrogance against cell almost caused the destruction of earth otherwise in dbz goku was always there for gohan and even goten when he was alive.
@@atomgamer7853 I think you've missed the point
@@superkaras588wasn't Saitama doing more and more each day? like 100 -> 1000 but I see your point
He is
Ofc krillin would no diff omniman like an ant but Omni man would be comparable to saiyan saga characters , he’s comparable to characters who destroy planets in his comic
Omni man needed help blowing up an already destabilized planet, he could beat nappa but gets oneshot by either goku or vegeta.
Raditz can destroy small planets such as Earth (Earth is considered small in DB) so Omni-Man would be below Raditz but be able to solo all of OG DB pretty easily.
@nonuser3166 the planet was extremely tough
Omniman is comparable to beginning of saiyan saga characters, aka start of series DBZ.
Raditz alone already obliterates any viltrumite. Krillin from the second half of the saiyan saga solos the verse
Nah, this guy's one of my favorite youtubers, legit makes my day to see a new video uploaded. Keep up the good work man👍.
I will man, appreciate the support
@@olamasama9243 What is your take on Naruto vs Luffy ?
A friend of one of my friends joined our PlayStation party and eventually got we into an argument about Naruto and said NARUTO CAN'T FLY AND CLAIMS TO HAVE READ THE ENTIRE MANGA. I swear to God the people with these opinions don't even watch the shows they see clips on TH-cam and Tik Tok and think they have enough information to form a valid opinion.
Tbf can he still fly? I don’t remember him doing it in boruto but I could be wrong
@amadujalo8914 now that he's lost Kurama he can't access six paths chakra mode so he can't fly anymore but that doesn't matter boruto was never in the conversation cuz he never watched it.
Lmaooo a simple google search can prove them wrong
@@kamuisensei9045 nah I meant before he lost kurama but yeah ik I was just curious if he still flew post war arc
@ClarkeMichaelDuncan and that's exactly what I did and the Google Assistant spoke out loud he heard that shit and said that's Google you can't trust that shit the copium is crazy.
Literally ALL of my favorite youtubers have uploaded this past 10 minutes!
Who are they I’m curious I’m trying to get on some new TH-camrs been kinda dry lately
Luckily you 🤭
My favourite TH-camrs haven't uploaded anything in almost a Year.
Who are they? I need to get on some new TH-camrs
@stonefree7973 Flamingo and @InfernoJae, so technically not ALL of my favorite youtubers
0:00 Bro hollon
1:00 let me talk
2:00 like bro moving
3:00 stiff when he walk
4:00 im too tact
5:00 got the G on my
6:00 like, im too tact
7:00 got the G
8:00 im in court
9:00 on the E-way
10:00 put it in sport
11:00 bro press the
12:00 gas and get
13:00 low from the law
Bro 😭😭😭what are u doing with ur time but ur a W
Do u have a life?
@Thespongeguy1234he doing something goated with his time that’s what🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Glad I’m not the only one that noticed
Krillin stomp Invincible verse Neg diff
He actually doesn't later in the comic there are some really heavy hitters
@@connor_is_kisn’t invincible like moon level😂
@@ashuprice9719 they get to planet level and some characters can be in suns
@@connor_is_kkrillin was throwing hands with goku in blue(elephant 10 ton heavily suppressed)
@@connor_is_kBrody come back when Omni man can destroy a universe by himself
10:36 I SPIT MY GODDAMN WATER OUT THIS GOTTA BE THE DEFINITION OF GOOFY AHH ACTIVITY
😂😂
Goofy ahh activity???
Asta was not gifted he had to train his whole life. He was born with no magic in a world where magic is everything. I know he got the 5 leaf grimoire but he wouldn't be able to use the sword if he never train because it's way to have. If he didn't train he couldn't use the sword can't use the sword no magic knight squad no magic knight squad no series
By the way it was suppose to be heavey but it turned into have
Spitting fax.
SHIT EVEN THEN tell me one time Astas anti magic gave him a free win or anything? Cause you can't until like post time skip he literally did not get a solo win till then and had to jump every single villian he fought. People stay saying asta is broken and shit in his verse because he as anti magic yet don't want to mention the fact that if you're stronger then asta you can overpower his anti magic it happens several times in the show
Also everyone uses magic to speed themselves up and fly and. He is keeping up through sheer muscle before yami taught him to control his chi
My problem with some fans is that they oversimplify things without context. They see that anti-magic is very strong and that Asta was gifted it with the grimoire. Therefore, Asta = Gifted. It's awful logic and allows people to get off bad takes constantly
Krillin gets underestimated so much and I can’t even blame them he ain’t keeping up with Goku
I feel like it's just a matter of not knowing how power creep works. I feel like it's something you get familiar with after you watch a couple action series or play enough rpgs
I saw someone that claimed krillin was only smal town level..like curent krillin, people really underestimate him
@@raptormage2209 people can't do base math. Vegeta (Saiyan saga) with a power level of 18k was planetary. Current Krilin is like 77383368393733838 times stronger than that Vegeta. Now he's probably between Perfect(er) Cell and Fat Bu (Bu saga). So at least solar system level because Cell was going to destroy the solar system with Perfect Kamehameha
Thragg pops his head
@@myronbourne6937 he is too, i mean way too weak to do that
My cousin’s friend said that Gear 5 luffy can beat goku because all of his attacks won’t effect him after that me and my cousin were laughing so hard
Thats who these debates should be and people shouldn’t take it so seriously. Its all fun entertainment at the end of day.
yeah gear 5 has limits it’s not like he could imagine Goku going bald and losing all his strength or sum
Laughing? G5 boundless.
@@shmelzy82the goku bald meme went into my head reading this it’s cursed
@@Rafael-w4jthen why just doesnt he win every fight? hes planetary ag minimum but he doesnt surpass Frieza or sum
Gojo: *preparing hollow purple* throughout heaven and ear-
Krillin: DESTRUCTO DISK
Gojo: *Slashed in 2 parts... again*
I don’t have many brain cells left to lose. I was in the fusion wars for a whole decade.
What are the fusion wars
You don't want to know... @@MarkKelly-il7jd
I would also like to know
The never ending battle of gogeta(fraud) vs vegito(Goat). I spent half over half my life fighting the good fight for the true goat of fusions.
@@MarkKelly-il7jd the wars between the fraud vegito and our savior the GOAT gogeta
Man I love your videos, I also love how you go over horrible hot takes and voice your opinion on them.
Appreciate it. I just like to call out some of the things I see when I notice no one talking about it. I am prone to making mistakes so these videos are good environments for me to learn stuff too
@@olamasama9243 I also saw a horrible hot take stating that Toji is well above mach 50 💀
god damn bro is cooking
but ngl the fact you even brought up how it should probably be a spectrum in the "hard working" and "gifted" is actually amazing, you really COOKED with this shit
holy damn this is amazing
Krillin can solo so many verses people should not underestimate him.
For real, they doubt my guy krillin
Krillin solos
JJK
AOT
Record of Ragnarok
Blue Exorcist
Bleach
Naruto
MHA
One Piece
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@@KingofCurthes He does NOT beat RoR NOR Bleach. Krillin at best is around Solar System level. Characters in RoR and Bleach reach EASILY universal+ levels of power.
Yeah, if they're weaker than him. There are more universes he can't solo rather than one's he can.
@ Ok fine maybe not RoR and Bleach but he can solo most anime.
The worst take I've heard is that Luffy beats MODERN SUPER SONIC IN GEAR 4 ALONE im not joking
Sonic would whoop his ass
One peice fans are the worst
Holy cap. Base Eggman is enough
One piece fans acting as if their verse ain't weak as hell
@davidwitos3989 yeah it's strong but no where near as strong as the sonic universe
Waiiiiiit on the hard working and gifted HOW DO I SEE ZORO GIFTED THIS MAN TRAINED SO HARD TO BECOME WHO HE IS NOW
Putting frieza against muzan is like putting 20 mike tysons and 20 Muhammad ali against 1 new born
Anime Hot Take: Big Mom can beat Vegeta...in a height contest.
Vegeta can extend his ki to make a Susanoo bigger than Big Mom. Ki is a part of the body/life force.
@@KingofCurthes Big Mom can fly higher than the susanoo on Zeus if we're going to just allow cheating.
@@RaphaelRavenwing Nah, Vegeta’s ki energy is more than Universal by this point.
@@KingofCurthes the magical equivalent of stilts still doesn't count. The tiny ass troll doll can suck it.
Vegetas hairline alone is taller than big mom
10:22 bro stop, the fang over fang is crazy😂😂
I just found your channel like less than an hour ago I was literally just finished watching your first 2 anime hot takes videos just to see this uploaded 10 minutes ago lol.
Love to see it. Thanks for tuning into them👍
One of my "friends" said Dabi beats Zamasu, and I'm not talking about regular Zamasu (who would still slam Dabi) but Fused Zamasu. Safe to say we're no longer friends
You did the right thing.👍🏿
Dabi is Akainu victim
Dang(I'm going to assume we're joking here)💀
@@RYANARRADIprobably
@olamasama9243 No, I'm not
He truly believed that
People really think Goku is gifted? He literally has the *least* amount of potential out of every Saiyan on Earth, yet he’s consistently the strongest.
Tiktok anime debate livestreams are the worst genre of debates💀💀💀
Hot take: mumen rider solos every anime character at once easily, no challenge
Indomitable Human Spirit
@@olamasama9243RAAAAAAHH GURREN LAGANN
Kon victim
Calling deku gifted is insane since he had to go thru 10 months of insane training to even just be able to contain one for all, like dude had to go thru hell to be able to not break his limbs everytime he used it 😭🙏
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Finally the GOAT returns
MULTIPLE PEOPLE said that Gojo could defeat......
GOKU BLACK 😭😭😭
Nah😭😭😦😭😭
Where you go I go🚶♂️🐺🐺
@@TrueDivinityIsIWhat you see I see
That’s because gojo can by using his blood technique
Bro Gojo with Fangirl energy solos fiction. 😂😂😂
Did anyone notice how at 4:47 he said had and then dad flaming the guy with the hot take
This isnt exactly a hot take, but I once saw someone saying that an anime game was an anime because it had animation and was based on an anime
what the actual fuck?
@@aex_rodriguezI’m shook
@@United.Kingdom. what are doing here
That's certainly a new one, I'd chalk it up to being misinformed...I guess
So you are saying the "someone" thinks xenoblade chronicles is an anime
Sanji barking is crazy 🤣 i love that man bro turned into speed
congrats on 100k
Hot take: You’re an amazing, and very entertaining TH-camr.
Scorching hot take
@@olamasama9243 🤫
6:19 this Mr beast thing kinda umm😂😅
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Ava/Chris Tyson😦
Been watching your videos for a while now. After seeing your take on the yapping dude 😂 I immediately subscribed
The disrespect against naruto is crazy.
I really don't understand it. Critiquing is fine. Slandering Bleach, Naruto, or One Piece with genuine intent is dumb
The reason omni man had a beard is cause on that planet time moves faster for humans. But that second point you had was fire.
Relative to Flaxan time, he was there for a good bit.
@@olamasama9243 I meannn
People out here saying authors aren't good writers when they barely read
You, and @InfernoJae are the main reasons I know anything about anime! 😅
Oh wow, my name being named with InfernoJae is a big compliment for me.
@olamasama9243 I comment 9999 times on BOTH of your videos 🤣
@@olamasama9243 Nah you are definitely better than the guy who thinks Aang beats Naruto 😂😂
YES THE GOAT UPLOADED
Underrated channel.
THAT INTROOOO!!!!!!!!
Is good
What’s the song
Moving different by playboi carti
Hot take : goku isn’t a bad father if you think he is you never watch or read dragonball
Absolutely agree with this take and people like to say that piccolo was a better father figure for gohan when he literally left him alone for 6 months to survive on his own and then spent another 6 months beating him daily until he was near death each time. Which I think is hilarious when you consider how Goku was there during Gohan's early childhood which let's be real some dad's in real life don't even do and the only times he couldn't be there for him was when he was dead or when he was heavily injured after the saiyan saga and frieza saga.
That's not a hot take
That's just Facts
If anything it's more a often absent father but when he shows up it's the best time of the week
@@maux9175 and the thing is, he was dead when he was "absent", firstly during the Saiyan saga, when he wanted to be strong enough to fight the Saiyans, so he trained with King Kai in Otherworld, and then there was the Cell saga when he wanted to stay dead since he believed he was attracting villains
By irl standards he'd be pretty bad but for his situation he did good and clearly cared
Goku being more gifted than hard-working is actually a wild take
I think a good way to gauge Luffy's skill in comparison to other characters is to treat Luffy as a skill for a gun and other characters as skill for a sword.
Sure, somebody with sword-skill is much easier to discern than somebody with gun-skill since you can visibly see the ability have using a sword. A gun may not appear to take much skill to use, but it takes good aim, a good understanding of the mechanisms, and a handle of the gun's power to use it practically.
Basically, Luffy's skill is much more cemented in a deep understanding of his devil fruit and his own body rather than the way he fights with his hands.
I like the analogy you made with the gun a lot. Aesthetics seem to matter a lot when people think about skill, but a lot of things can be considered skills than one may originally think
7:19 in what world is goku not hard working? Has a mf watched an episode of DBZ in their LIFE?
Nobody watches or reads dragon ball not even it's own fans
It's a hard and sad fact you have to accept once you join the Dragonball community
Oh boy, that MrBeast take aged like milk
you are hoping i didn't lose braincells? i lost my freaking memory watching this vid
My bad gang
Hot take: Sponge Bob beats the OPM verse☠️🙏
He’s a Toon Force user. He no diffs it.
Even though I'm Naruto's biggest hater, I will admit you made some decent points. I personally find the writing in Naruto to have massive problems, but whatever. What I would advise though, is to not make the "it's popular so it can't be bad" argument. It's reductive and also, there has been tons of terrible shit that got really popular. It's just a Drake stan ahh argument.
Here’s a take for you: putting two characters from two different anime’s against each other has and always will be stupid. More often than not said characters would probably never fight each other and even if they did the power leveling between different animes make things convoluted as hell. It’s even worse if it’s Death Battle where they intentionally omit key aspects of a character that discredit their decision
Yea that's probably right, but I will admit it is fun to do as long as it isn't too toxic. It can be fun to see how they interact.
That’s true. Like the Goku vs OPM. Both sides ignore parts, but let’s be honest here. Goku would just end up with a new sparring buddy.
Hot take: If Kishimoto wrote Naruto in a more dark direction that made it more about ninjas with tricky jutsu and different levels of skills for their jutsu instead of BIG FLASHY JUTSU, the series would have been far for popular and better than it is now.
Correct take
That doesn't sound bad.
i’ll always love naruto but this is facts
If he was actually a good writer, it could've been great as it is. Stop circulating around the fact that he's awful.
@@ugene77 how is kishimoto awful as a writer?
I hate the Ichigo gifted only list when this dude really be training to the death every Arc. Buddy trained for 3 months straight by throwing hands with his inner soul with 0 breaks and 100% running Fade. Throw him into Hardwork and gifted
Yo what’s da song at 0:17 I need it expeditiously
Wok by playboy carti
My hot take: Kisuke from bleach had the potential to be the strongest in the verse but focused more on other people then himself
This was stated or at least implied by Sosuke Aizen right?
@@kidkatanatv yeah especially with the fact that he knew Kisuke would've been one of the only people that could beat him
I think if he was moving like Aizen, he could've used the Hogyoku to evolve, but his base abilities just aren't strong enough to be Top 1 in the Bleach verse
People forget that Goku was considered a Low-Class Saiyan. If he were gifted, he would have been considered Elite by Saiyan Society and their Talent-Based Caste System.
Hot take:ahrchi sonic vs enos voldigod
2nd hot take:cc goku vs saitama
3rd hot take:madra vs. kid goku
Well, this list might be hard for him to do😂
6:19 aged bad💀
Mr beast is a bad person but he knows how TH-cam works. So the point still stands.
Didn’t age bad at all. He still getting loads of views
Holy man the intro so damn fire plus the video we blessed fr
Thanks brodie
Correction at 10:00 this feat is a little misleading. Haku is only moves at light speed INSIDE the mirrors. Once haku leaves the mirrors to attack he is normal speed which is why naruto and sasuke were able to react. So reanimated Toji vs sasuke retrieval team Toji will most likely win bc of speed blitz and most of the kids don’t have much options to deal with him other than neji and naruto
Toji would cap out at chunin exam level due to his craziness and tools but like tenten tools would quickly get overshadowed by the DBZness that shipuden became
Fair enough, thought it was a bit ode for light speed to be in the first arc. I still feel like Toji gets slammed though, considering Chidori was a move that could cut lightning and Sasuke was using that during the latter part of the Chunin exams.
@@Loldino897 fair a lot of shippuden characters you need some amount of hacks up your sleeve to beat them which Toji doesn’t have. He’s just high stats and skill and 2 good weapons. Best he can do is defeat a small couple of top tiers if catch them lacking like gaara or Lee
@@olamasama9243 Toji flashed step in granny. Being so real he might just dodge chidori especially bc chidori is a somewhat predictable attack. You charge a lightning hand and run in a direct straight line towards your opponent
@@supersage7793 1. Haku is a Jounin level fighter and fun fact Jounin easily evaded Darui's laser circus easily. Which is a light speed feat.
All Anbu are stated to be able to attack at light speed. And fun fact some Anbu are actually not even Jounin.
Kiba negs Toji + 99% of JJK verse.
Also Toji is Mach 3
That whole first Naruto section made me so happy. People misinterpret the themes of that series so much and it drives me crazy. It seems like a lot of people just zero in on certain elements and ignore everything else.
Same here
Love it
I always see the Neji fight brought up in that argument of "Hard work beats talent" when that was not the point of that fight at all. If it was, then it might as well have been rock lee vs neji
@@olamasama9243 100%
Like...the hard work versus natural talent thing is there, but it's basically only the main idea in one side plot of one arc. People really get mad at this series for not being something that it never claimed to be.
@@olamasama9243 100%. The hard work vs natural talent thing is there, but it's basically only the main focus for one side plot of one arc. Some criticisms of this series just seem like disliking it for not being something that it never claimed to be.
>Long speech about calling Naruto writing bad making no sense
>Doesn't actually ever think about calling it good
W
Someone honestly said that Naruto beats Kid Buu 💀💀💀
😧
@@olamasama9243 With confidence too
@olamasama9243 Someone said that Gojo could beat Goku black too 😭
@@RandomShenanigians2whose gonna tell that person?
@@Veryunderratedyter We tried to convince him but he didn't listen
I disagree heavily with the toji vs mahoraga take cause of several reasons and it comes from a big misunderstanding of how mahoraga's adaption works
1. Mahoraga does not adapt to physical capabilites, not only is this not the case but it has never been stated or shown. The anime adaption of the fight prolongs the fight but for anyone who read the manga sukuna disposed of and handle mahoraga very quickly. Mahoraga's adaptiona allows him to adapt to phenomena over time based on the frequency of how many times he recieves the attack however mahoraga does not actually get physically stronger or faster to fight his opponent he just negates what his opponent can do to him by applying new methods of overcoming him. 15f sukuna for the entire duration of the fight was outspeeding and physically outperforming mahoraga throughout the entire duration. If mahoraga did have the ability to adapt to physical aspects he would've against 15f sukuna and would've against gojo
2, Toji depending on the version your taking has multiple ways to put down mahoraga. The easiest one to explain is the split soul katana which allows the user to attack the soul negating all forms of durability. This singular sword alone should be more then enough to handle mahoraga as multiple if not 1 big slash from this sword would exorcise him, Yes mahoraga over time would adapt to it but the adaption only matters if your under the impression that mahoraga has enough time throughout the fight do actually come up with a strategy. The second weapon being the inverted spear of heaven is an instant win condition. To understand this we need to undestand the ability of the ISOH. The weapon as per toji's explaination releases any and all active techniques. The key word being active here which is talking to the process of flowing cursed energy through ones innate technique activating it. Since all techniques in the show require a flow of cursed energy to essentially work this means the weapon can negate all cursed techniques, its also important to understand here that mahoraga is a shikigami beloing to the 10 shadows technique, and is only there so long as the technique remains active. If toji hits either megumi let alone mahoraga with the inverted spear it would release the cursed energy that megumi is flowing into the technique effectively releasing mahoraga and winning the fight
3. Toji possesses the physical capabilities to fight mahoraga, during the culling games arc an awakened maki was capable of going blow for blow with a 15f sukuna who also admitted was actually a threat. The same 15f sukuna who was outpacing and outpowering mahoraga throughout the entire fight. A big misconception that a lot of people have is the aspect of sukuna being nerfed in megumi's body however forget to understand thats its only said that sukuna's cursed technique output is nerfed not his physical prowess. This means that on a basis of speed and power maki was able to react and contend with a 15f sukuna sustaining no damages. Backed up by the fact that sukuna states fighting maki is akin to fighting mahoraga due to understanding and visualization of cursed techniques on the level of mahoraga would put toji's senses equal if not better then mahoraga whos visualization and understanding is greater then that of the six eyes. Couple that with precognition which was so effective that it allowed maki to track the speed and movement of cursed naoya moving at more then 3x the speed of sound and not only react but also launch counter attacks, mahoraga being unable to sense toji due to lack of cursed energy, and the weaponary to put him down. As for durability this isn't in question current maki was capable of withstanding 2 point blank black flashes from an awakened sukuna who was actually excited to fight her and claimed that in contrast to people like yuta she was the main course after gojo, mind you this is the same maki who scales equal to toji. I would say that toji has a very high likleyhood of winning that matchup
In my opinion toji wins high - extreme difficulty depending on how long the fight is prolonged for however with the tools i've just stated either 1 of the 2 options is more then enough to deal with him.
I mean if we're being fair, that 15F Sukuna that Maki fought was being suppresed by Megumi by a fair bit. And Mahoraga can still adapt to physical capabilities. In the fight against Gojo as the fight went on, we saw Mahoraga starting to keep up with the speed of Gojo.
Our pseudo debate also may also depend on whether we're going off the anime extended scenes vs the manga, where Sukuna beat Mahoraga much quicker. Therefore the whole adapting to physical stats is more difficult cause of the speed of the battle. In the anime, the fight is longer so it looks worse for the adaptation of Mahoraga.
@@olamasama9243
1. Thats not a fair argument to make whatsoever, again this proves that a lot of people don't understand the difference between output and physical strength. It is speficially said that only sukuna's output for his cursed technique was being surpressed by megumi not his physical ability. He is still as strong as a normal 15f sukuna the only difference is that he can't use his technique which means that maki scales on a physical basis on this version of sukuna. Would maki beat a 15f sukuna in a head on fight probably not but on a purely physical basis she equals him based on feats
2. Mahoraga's adaption not only takes time but also has shown to not be capable of adapting to physical differences in the opponent, if this was the case he would've adapted to either sukuna or gojo's physicality in each respective fight as a way of giving himself the edge but he didn't. In both instances he was getting physical out competed throughout the entire fight, again the anime makes the fight seem somewhat closer however in the manga 15f sukuna washed him just like he did kashimo in quick succession
3. Mahoraga was not keeping up with gojo's speed, this is a lie. If we were to take this argument as fact there would be no way gojo would be fighting a 3v1 against 2 opponenets who would equal him physically regardless of the presence of infinity, at no point during that entire fight did mahoraga show speed relativity to gojo, its actually quite the opposite as gojo showed multiple times to be capable of reacting and fighting mahoraga simultaenously whilst fighting other opponenets. This is just a false statement
4. Whilst considering anime extended scenes, this proves my point even further. Cause even in a drawn out fight in the anime mahoraga still did not adapt to sukuna's physical capabilities and was nowhere near a match for him on a physicality basis. This is all with disregarding the fact that sukuna puts maki's level of vizualiation and understanding of cursed techniques equal to that of mahoraga who has greater vizualiation of cursed techniques then even the six eyes. If maki's ocular abilities scale him, physical abilities based on feats are better then his and possesses the weapons to put him down I see no reason as to why toji wouldn't be able to do the same if not easier with more weapons giving him a larger arsenal and more versatility, higher battle iq and signficantly more experience in comparison to maki alongside all the physical abilities they are relative in
Toji and Maki individually can beat mahoraga especially in toji's case if you consider him using the inverted spear of heaven which would one shot mahoraga and instantly deactivate him since he is a shikigami of a cursed technique which means he is part of an active technique. Can mahoraga win yes however only if mahoraga adapts to the weapons that toji and maki would use against him which as we know his adaption takes time to do unless they spam the same attack which they wouldn't do cause both the split soul katana and inverted spear of heaven can 1 shot him
Toji and maki > mahoraga mid - high difficulty individually
Ngl, as much as I prefer Zoro over Sanji, Sanji isn’t a bad character, he has actual depth, unlike most of the perverts like the Grape Child from MHA. But Zoro is still the G.O.A.T, every fight he had, he was at a disadvantage.
I’ve seen people say zoro>akainu😭
I’ve also seen people say that doflamingo could beat sanji
You want to hear another one ? Kat beats wano luffy (no gear 5th)
@@bluntlee555 bro what? Wholecake luffy already beat him without gear five.
@@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211 rewatch the fight in whole cake kat not only damn near killed luffy twice, luffy ran away then came back and got cooked again, learned future sight and was still getting cooked, kat injured himself and still was cooking luffy and luffy’s used a “new” transformation and still got put in the dirt and after the final clash they was both knocked out for like 45 minutes only for kat to be standing over him, in my opinion kat gave up if he was blood lusted luffy would have definitely lost
@@bluntlee555 dude you are so wrong. At the end of the fight katakuri and luffy were literally fighting evenly and you didn’t watch the fight if you think otherwise. This same luffy got *one shot* by kaido. And at the end of wano, luffy (without gear five) was an actual challenging kaido. This is not a debate.
Master Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 125 during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, it's nothing compared to what Krilling from the tournament of power can do. T.O.P Krillin solos omni man.
The main message of Naruto is to over come the curses that life gives you
Aside from Krillin One shotting Omniman, the beard came from time being sped up on that planet. So he aged a couple months on that planet, in a matter of minutes. But Krillin still mercs Omniman no trouble
Mercs? As in the tf2 mercenaries?
Idk if this is a hot take but tanjiro gets wiped by like 99% of shonen mcs
Yea that isn't too hot. If we are counting the mainstream shonen mcs only, he taking Ls from most of them
Who cares? Doesn't make demon slayer any less good or engaging as an anime
@@Obri55 demon slayer is in my top 3 animes, just bc i think that its not one of the strongest verses doesnt mean i dont think its peak
Kishimoto tried to say once during the first arc of Naruto that no one in his series was faster than a bullet, but somehow Haku moves at lightspeed between mirrors. Bro might not be a bad writer but he doesn't understand physics
13:14 you know what... Out of respect for him, I'll pretend I didn't see that
Woof woof
Not too much on Sanji
Hot take: Power scaling is confusing.
Based
Fr bruh like what the hell does dimensionality even mean
@@Raveded i sadly don’t have a good clue at all
They be comparing minecraft steve creative mode to goku
@@KJH777GD Goku is stronger, but Steve is winning, his respawn time is just superior, and if he is a pro player he definitely knows the sacred ritual of /gamemode c which turn him immortal, even if Goku blow up the planet, he doesn't need to breath and the void isnt space because gravity still exist there so no way to die but haki probably still work cause its existence erase so Beerus could erase your Minecraft account force you to used a new one
I actually agree with the Naruto isn’t a revolutionary point but not because of the reason that was brought up. It’s simply because Naruto doesn’t use revolution as a methods to enact political change. He just becomes hokage and changes things while keeping the base political system the same.
That’s not entirely true
@RandomGirl785 how? Revolution by definition is the violent overthrow of one political system for another. Naruto never wanted to do anything of the sort so he isn’t a revolutionary. Just pushing for change doesn’t mean a revolution.
If we have to be honest, all of the takes in this video are terrible, BUT, there is one take that would be true if the guy used different words - kishimoto is deffinetly a good writer, but compared to his "competition" During the times naruto manga shined, his story deffinetly has the worst writing
5:49 this isnt necessarily right demon slayer is OBJECTIVELY bad. Just because something is popular doesn't mean its well written
I’d say it’s good..Yes it’s slightly rushed and the characters don’t have time to be cared for, and it’s debatably carried by its art style (I don’t think it is if anything I feel like the art style doesn’t fit for a lot of scenes. Just go online and read the manga imo) and sad backstories trope but it did a solid job for what it gave us
I love the fact that most of these debates are about someone beating a dragon ball character.
one either has never read or watched dragon ball or
@Doctor-NOOOOOOOOOOO I've watched and read Dragon Ball, Z, GT, Super, Dr Slump and Sandland. (Creations from Akira Toriyama)
@Capeless-Cap impossible
I love the moment you point out yapping a imDontai clip plays😭
Love his yap sessions, i don’t understand how others can’t
Some people just have a lot of patience at times
Its kinda obvious he waited for the thraxxans to make a machine so he could go back home. 1:44
Saying luffy has no skill when he is boxing with a literal dragon woth the power of rubber is crazy
Lemme cook kishimoto is an amazing writer when it comes to everything BUT female characters
9:49 ok I wouldn’t call this a casual feat mainly because we see luffy in G4 get absolutely shit on and blitzed by kizaru
Uh? Kaguya???
@@mayonnaise3959kizaru is Zoro victim
@@DrJareld Kaguya is legit the worst antagonist in anime history
@@RYANARRADI it might seem crazy what I’m about to say
6:40 also it would make him a bad writer if he refused to take feedback it is a good thing that he would take inspiration from outside sources also how are deku (cleaned a whole trashed beach and dealt with his powers destroying his body upon use for a long time), Tanjiro (trained for two years, and is basically constantly working for no pay), and Zoro (literally has no powers he just trains hella) considered gifted?
Hot take: mob solos jjk idk if this really hot or not but defo true
Saying Goku is "gifted" when he was born with a single digit power level, which is lower than most humans lol.
Mans is the definition of hard work. Over the years, his fighting experience just made him really good at it and seem like a genius.
HOT TAKE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Gojo would beat sukuna in a fair 1v1 without 10 shadows
(Ik that Gojo himself said that "i would propably lose even without 10 shadows" but i dont belive him)
Sukuna without adaptation and world cutting slash has no win cons against Gojo
If it was fair gojo wouldn’t have infinity
@@RXGEsaysdontkys how is that fair?
4:36
Actually this guy made a good point not criticizing the creator
But how a lot of the stuff in Naruto was done by the editor . For example " SASUKE " was added by the editor and alot of other things
His point is that the editor does a lot of the work
Of course he isnt right but he did make some points 😅
Fair enough, I just interpreted it as him trying to take away from Kishimoto's merit due to the editor doing a lot
@@olamasama9243 its good
Btw I love your content bro keep it up 🙏
If you want to put nitty gritty of the show the worst is One Piece and I ain't see him criticize that.
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Hot take (or its just common sense), Dante solo's the demon slayer verse neg dif.
No one is saying Demon Slayer is doing anything to Dante