***** Bloody hell, no kidding? I would have never harbored such suspicions! I mean, It's not like you have anything even remotely identifiable about you that would make my mind concoct such mad dellusions... Like a username... Especially a username...
***** I know quite a few characters that would like to add very colorful commentary in response to that bit of "common sense"... And one of them is a fanfiction character.
This scene alone show that shirou is dangerously smart. Like Kiritsugu level smart. He may not be a master manipulator but the guy sure as hell can analyze the battle and take advantage of the enemy weakness.
@@dualia-s74m which developed because of how analytical he was in life. The habit of being 2-3 steps ahead of the enemy is what translated into becoming eye of the mind as a heroic spirit.
@@owenemanka277 she's saying that she is disappointed/angered that shirou will not take battling her seriously enough to put his life on the line. At this point, that's all Alter can do to show her original feelings for Shirou. Their bond is extremely deep and strong, that is why when he beats her the normal way(in the normal story trajectory) he has to essentially wipe his memory of everything related to her in order to not go insane, because it is so traumatic an event for him.
All hidden meninges alter loves shirou you have to see deeper into the story in all the fates these twe are always canected the one she has loved and always will love it just that alter sapreses her feelings more this time in order to achieve her goal even if that means killing the one she holdes direst and love
There is an even better ''End'' in the Kohaku route during the final fight against Ahika. I don't remember the exact choice but it will trigger an ending where the ''Nanaya Shiki alter ego'' wakes up inside Shiki's mind and easily kills Ahika like a top tier assassin.
This ending is perfect. Back in fate route there was an option to ask Saber for a definitive technique in the dojo to defeat his opponents. This shows that Being weak as a human, even years after the holy grail war, shirou looked for a technique to help him defeat his opponents in one move. His weakness tormented him troughout his entire life and this is one of many proofs. This "archer shirou was still shirou" aspect ads a lot to his character. Also archer's arm taking over his mind after every projection, and how he screams saber's name in the end, even though he lost everything else, shows how important Saber was for him. The pace and everything is perfect. I got nothing else to say.
I like how it took four simultaneous sword strikes to defeat Saber after the Assassin fight showed that three simultaneous sword strikes weren't enough to get the job done.
@@Rogue-a-Pogue well in reality not even 4 strikes are enough, she was playing the "honorable duel" against Shirou to test him and try to bait him to project Excalibur, because she always had this complex about Shirou choosing archer as his ideal fighting style instead of hers, so her for her own pride as a knight she wanted him to choose her. If she had fought against him like she did with the other ones Shirou would've been dead from the start
As for Shirou, he felt a special connection with saber, her sheath has been inside him since he was a child and she was the one person who allowed Shirou to finally stand for himself and start moving towards his ideal, as well as allowing him to have a way to fight in this war, through her. She legit left a bigger impression on him than his own self, but he couldn't help but to be more attracted to archer's combat style because it's literally made for himself, by himself.
It may have matched her...but who won the battle? The NP shirou used didn’t accomplish anything, at the end of the day saber won and shirou lost. What a disappointment.
@@kyzersoze8408 it destroyed her internak organd. Shirou won that fight rin can win the fight against sakura. Shirou stopped her long enough for that to happen
@@lordtouchme5417 saber clearly says that she will regenerate if shirou cant make the final stab. And shirou couldn’t make it because he’s brain went into a vegetative state. So yeah, saber and sakura won at the end. A disappointing ending.
I love how every other Tiger Dojo has "Bad End" or "Dead End" in the corner when you reach it. But Sparks Liner High just says "End". In the dead center. This is not a bad ending. This is a victory.
and how is this a victory. he basically sacrifice himself for the wrong girl and as a result, he wont be there to save the two sisters from themselves. even saber understood this in the end. have no idea why sparks liner high have such a following among the type moon community but we can be glad that this never became the ending for the spring song movie!
@@keronstewart9446 because of how unbelievable it really was. Yeah sure Saber Alter wasn't using Beam Spam but still her sword alone was enough to cut through Berserker with ease along with her instinct and techniques. The fact that Shirou could keep up with her and beat her in a duel seemed so unbelievable but the way Nasu wrote it out it makes sense. It also means that Archer is even more skilled than everyone initially thought since he never had to use everything he had since for the most part he had already completed his goal
Saber, the victim of receiving the most Noble Phantasm attack in Fate stay night. Gáe Bolg Broken Fantasm(dodged?) Bellerophon Turning Swallow Strike Rule Breaker Gate of Babylon EA Zabaniya Triple-Linked Crane Wings Authur: J....Just let me die in peace... Nasu Kinoko: No.
Triple Linked isn't a Noble Phantasm, rather a technique created by Archer which uses the projection of three copies of Kanshou and Bakuya and creating a multi directional attack to entrap the opponent before executing them.
It always breaks my Heart how she actually expected Shirou to finally finish her but at the same time she sounds so sad once she realizes Shirou already died. She is not the same anymore yet she wanted his sacrifice to mean something at the end. The one she protected at the start of the war managed to take advantage of her limits and even broke pass his own limits just to put her in that state. Is almost as if she actually wanted Shirou to finish the job so all his sacrifices could matter at the end. Deep down she still treasures him so much that she wants him to emerge victorious, kill her and go with Sakura and Rin. But she realizes he died, the one that broke pass his own limits is not here anymore, he is not here to finish the job, his mind gave up before he could do it. Now just *fate* itself will decide if his sacrifice will mean something, and Saber knows it, she doesn't care anymore what will happen, maybe she will regenerate and kill Rin, maybe Rin will manage to save Sakura on time. She knows it doesn't matter anymore, the hero of the story is not there anymore. Nobody will be saved.
Spirit and technique, flawless and firm Our strength rips the mountains Our swords split the water Our names reach the imperial villa The two of us cannot hold the heavens together.
Instagibification That's Archer's version. Shirou's version is: Spirit and fechnique, flawless and firm Our strength rips the mountains Our swords split the water Life reaches the imperial villa Two great men, one shared life!
I hate to reply to old comment but: The poem is what Archer engraved onto Kanshou&Bakuya, in Chinese (since its a Chinese weapon. Its done in the style of old Chinese poems). Thus, the interpretation in Japanese differs, and the English translation of said interpretation even more. Its just a single poem in the end, but there are multiple way to read it because of how it was written
This isn't a bad ending. This is a canonical ending where Shirou dies as a badass equal to GArcher. I really hope ufo makes an OVA of this moment as an extra for the movie
TheRobearShow That's the slightly disturbing thing. Almost 40 possible parallel words, and in more than half of them, Shirou fills an emotional connection with the fish he cuts up every morning for breakfast if it were alive as he did it...
About the "poem" of the crane wing triple strike, and the back story of true Kansho Bakuya in history: Kansho Bakuya, or actually, Ganjiang Moye was a pair of swords forged by one of the greatest smiths in ancient China, Ganjiang. He was ordered by the king of Chu to forge the best sword. It took him three years to make the twin blades, named after himself and his wife. He gave the relatively weaker one, Moye, to the king and saved the stronger one Ganjiang for his wife. He said to his wife : "the king would kill me to stop me from making a stronger sword, so you must take the Ganjiang sword and hide, with our child in your belly. If the child is a boy, tell him to revenge me." Then he was executed by the king. A baby boy was born. And he grew up with vengence in his heart. He took his father's sword and went to the capital of Chu kingdom. But on the way, an assasin approached him, saying he didn't have a chance to strike down the king, and he had to trust the assassin to do the job for him. But, to do the job, the assassin needed the sword, and the boy's head. The boy, knowing he couldn't revenge his father, commited suicide with that sword. So the assassin took the sword, the head and went to the king. He said this is the Ganjiang sword, and the head of Ganjiang's son. The king actually dreamed of the boy a while ago and he knew it was Ganjiang's revengeful son and he put a bounty on the boy's head. So the king is relieved to see his nemesis dead. He decided to boil the boy's head to prevent him from resurrecting. And amazingly, the head just managed to stay the same in boiling water. The assassin asked the king to take a closer look, to use his divine power as a king to destroy the head. The king took a closer look, then the assassin cut off the king's head, and his own after that. The three heads were then boiled to the skulls and couldn't tell apart, so the king's court buried them together. And the story is where the poem came from. The swords that cut through mountains and cut off water stream, and end the life of the user and the enemy at the same time.
@@muhammadhazmi3201 Aesthetic perhaps? i dont remember if an "in-lore" answer was ever given for that. I suppose its because that legend is relatively obscure so it fits thematicaly with Archer. Or perhaps he just liked them because they increased his Magic Resistance and were extra effective against demonic enemies. Or they looked cool to him, idk.
@@muhammadhazmi3201 Thematically, probably the tragic "double-edged sword" nature of the blades. Lorewise, low mana cost of projection (spammable), power, utility (always return to each other), and modifiable (overedge).
@@ChristheDowned Maybe because just like him, they were surrounded by death and would be surrounded by nothing but death. The swords that killed their wielders and the man, not sent to save people or solve a problem but to kill a problem. Or maybe he was just hoping these blades would somehow bring an end to his suffering, even knowing that death was meaningless to him.
@@muhammadhazmi3201 It’s because of philosophy and meaning, the swords were never forged with some great destiny in mind or anything like that, the first sword was meant as a gift with a heavy price, the second one was forged from the death of the price’s other half, they are eternally connected but they are completely empty other wise, just like how EMYIA sees himself and shirou, in his mind the swords are very similar to him. Without true purpose, just a set of Beautiful blades that just exist, they can cut well from their very nature of weapons that come close to the gods, but otherwise they are purposeless and empty. I believe that’s the canon reason, although it’s possible I’m wrong
I'm unarmed now. The enemy closes in on her unarmed opponent. I charge. - Some of the best aspects of Nasu fight scenes are explained in microcosm right there.
+Zvxman McVongami He didn't. He's still in first person perspective, but he's referring to third person objects. he said "her opponent" because he's describing things as they relate to her. it's about frames of reference. It's grammatically correct, trust me.
KENNETH CABRERA I'm hoping they add it somehow - but I hope they don't replace the "legit"(rider+shirou) method with a modified version of sparks liner. Something about that tragic scene with him on top of her needs to be conveyed in the movie, not replaced with this (awesome) action scene~ "only attack when you are certain it will be successful". Saber drove that into him during their early training. Somehow, despite it being cheap, to kill her as she was out of commission is like respecting her teachings~
That moment after the scene ends and it gets completely silent then proceeds to transition into the ost of ever present feeling is one of the greatest experiences I've ever had playing a visual novel.
JourneyML1 To be fair, Fate and UBW had its own fair share of GAR moments, just that most of them were GAR because of Shirou's thought process, which were always cut out. I.E. - Breaking out of Angra Mainyu's mud through sheer force of will. - Blowing up Kirei's heart and doing his dad proud. - Going toe-to-toe with, and proving Archer wrong in his beliefs. - Hell, his entire fight with Gilgamesh also counts.
Spirit and technique..... perfectly clean. Our fiery spirit cooks the food Our strong brooms clean the floor Our famous names echo far and wide Two great men.... SUFFERED AS MAIDS or Broom and dustpan.... SHARED LIFE! - Archer, while cleaning the mess after he was summoned
This scene is to all the Shirou haters, I'll overpowered the king of knights in a sword fight even if its gonna cost my life. The most GAR protagonist in the anime universe.
Nick Roscher I think you didn't get my comment?...I mean that Shirou created the GAR, because Archer is Shirou and the GAR exists because a guy misspelled "gay" for "gar" when expressing his feelings about Archer. I just don't get the point of your reply
Shirou's only limiting factor in battle really is his own mind. When he has Rider with him he can't touch Saber by himself because he doesn't believe he can. But on his own he NEEDS to do it somehow, and then he creates that miracle. If he hadn't already been half dead when the fight started he would've won.
Spirit and technique, flawless and firm The crane's wings misses not its mark Our strength rips the mountains Spirit and technique breaches Mt Tai Our swords split the water Spirit and technique crosses the Yellow river Our names reach the imperial villa Our names etched upon the first gods' realms The two of us cannot hold the heavens together. Two heroes' lives, shared and parted
It's been thirteen years since I started the VN with mirrormoons first patch. To think i'll be watching the conclusion of the final route this year... This is the best timeline for sure.
@@MrInuhanyou123 ah! so we meet again, fellow comrade. While I do enjoy reading books, I'm not usually screaming inside while shaking in excitement....ahaha
Most likely wrong... I just saw the movie and it had the "true ending", the difference between the True ending and fake ending isn't worth making a "ova". This probably will be included in the Blue Ray version as an OVA just like the "summer days ova for Unlimited Blade works.
TheGeekySkeptic It is most likely an altered part of "Ilya route" that never came into fruition, the scene was just too cool for Nasu to abandon it completely.
I would love to see that route. Firstly because Shinji is a typical kick-the-dog character and wasn't even much of a villain compared to other, more capable antagonists like Kirei or Zouken. I would really like Shinji to be a little more important, a little more ambigious, not an easy-to-make character whose only purpose is to be hated. The second reason is, I really think that Shinji might be an outstanding ally. It is all just a theory, (super-dorky, unreasonable and wishful-thinking based theory) but in UBW Rin mentions that even his remains of magical circuits would aweken if connected to magical equivalent of nuclear reactor ie. Ilya's heart. That would make him capable of doing, well, something to aid Shirou, that would make him a magus. Not to mention he was said to turn into a nicer person after UBW finale (which just *might* have been because his wish was to be able to use magic and it came true thanks to Ilya's heart). He have always been interested in his magical heritage, read magecraft books and inquired about Matou history, and I think he could really mean it when he said to Emiya that he has knowledge of a magus yet no power. Also, in Fate, he used (fake) command spell to attack Emiya with those shadows. They were weak, but it is still awesome that he could cast a spell without using magic circuits , similarily to what Kirei did in fight against Kiritsugu in Fate/Zero. That seems to be quite a skill. In summary: would get more character development, would be justified to ally with Emiya due to being a better person, would possess magic circuits and could be the first Matou in ages to learn magecraft by brain not by body. I would love to see that happen. (But Ilya would have to die early for that so it sucks)
***** Okay, so let's say that Shiro doesn't approve of killing Ilya, because of his usual let's protect everyone way of living. Does that mean you'll (well, Shiro will) end up "drilling" Shinji in order to "support him with mana"? :D
O strength that moves mountains, And blade that cuts water. Soar high into the Heavens above, As two hearts that beat at once! See ya~ Triple Crane Wings!
22:30 aka best boi kicks the ass of the unlimited prana Heroic Spirit empowered by her darkest impulses, proving he always was a fucking hero. Don't fuck with the guy whose body is made of swords.
Let me count the ways... -Emiya stopped playing right before the fight started -They completely removed Shirou realizing he needed to kill Berserker in one move or lose -No serious tension of the painful 3-second countdown as Shirou takes aim and waits while Berserker charges towards him -Shirou spinning in front of Berserker for 5 seconds was fucking stupid when the whole point of the fight was "win in an instant or die" It was an intense dramatic moment originally. In the movie it was "look OMG so hype Shirou with a big sword!!!" without ever even acknowledging how absolutely outclassed Shirou was, even with Archer's arm. But hey, flashy lights and big cuts on the ground and fancy spin moves are better, right? *The HF movies were a shitty adaptation. Any VN reader knows this.*
Personally, they have different meanings. Shirou VS Gilgamesh is the culmination of Shirou wanting to prove his ideal is now his own, and not just borrowed from Kiritsugu. Shirou vs Saber is just pure unadulterated awesome.
Yet he was still choosing to do so, is he not being selfish by following whatever he wants? His ideal may be messed up but its ultimately selfish of him in a way. Think about Saber, Rin or Sakura in all routes they constantly want him to stop sacrificing himself for others but he never does because he wants to follow that ideal and in turn for making himself happy following it he causes them unhappiness and worry. I agree being selfish isnt bad, but people try to use it as an insult.
I'm not sure you can really call it selfish at this point. Yes he risked alot of lives so he could be happy with Sakura, but think of how much he suffered and sacrificed for her and only her. He sacrificed his body, his mind, even his ideals which he valued above all else. I'm not entirely sure he did it for his own happiness either... he seemed more interested in making Sakura happy, after all would he have walked to his certain death if it was all about him being happy with her?
So... Shirou actually loses to Alter Saber? What happens after this? I mean, sure he knocked her out of the fight for ten minutes but he dies. He isn't able to finish her. Does she go and help Sakura beat Rin? SOMEONE HELP.
+IchiBanSamuraiTenshi you say that but this is absolutely the only bad ending that does not say "bad" end. it just says "end" kind of leaving the reader to assume if he bought her enough time or not.
Going by the FSN wiki it still considered a bad end though they do note that it is abnormal just saying end. I'm assuming Rin doesn't have enough time to have a heart to heart with Sakura and Saber arrives, although due to it saying End only, it is possible she could have won. I don't know if anyone ever questioned the creator of FSN about that ending. It would be cool to see it animated.
+IchiBanSamuraiTenshi I really do hope they animate that end. though it will likely only be saber vs rider and shirou. my thought is that it only says end because.. yes. shirou dies- but he saves Rin and Sakura. So while it is sad, Shirou fulfilled his dream to become a hero. if everyone died it would be a bad end.
How can I unlock this scene with the Mighty Wind ost? I tried many times but I just get the scene without the epic ost and with some different sentences. The ending is the same but not the battle :/
You need to be playing realta nua (ps2 version i think). If you are playing PC version, I forget the process but I think you need to make cd image of realta nua (or download or something) and apply a fan made patch. Sorry if this isn't very helpful but it has been a few years. In short, this scene is from patched ps2 version
Yeah, I've heard that argument before, but, honestly, would it have made that much a difference? Assume that Rider had been badly wounded and Shirou had finished Saber off like this, with one final projection still left for Sakura. Would this REALLY have squashed the theme of the route? Honestly, they even made a separate music, just for this scene, since it was so awesome. And then it's a weak game over :(
The human body cannot handle this much awesome, that's why Shirou died
Actually no, Shirou surpassed that. Even though he ended up dying.
He didnt die though. He just turned into plant due to his mind giving up .
his human self couldn't handle the sheer awesomeness of his future self.
@@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit975 archer couldn't handle archer
@@sebastianswan7975 Servants aren't made of human bodies to be fair.
"...No, that is wrong. You were strong from the start."
Even if it lasted for just a minute or two, he was able to revive her heart~
***** Oh, Fate/Stay Night Fanatic! Fancy meeting you here!
Where there is FSN stuff - there I am! ;)
***** Bloody hell, no kidding? I would have never harbored such suspicions! I mean, It's not like you have anything even remotely identifiable about you that would make my mind concoct such mad dellusions... Like a username...
Especially a username...
Also "People Die If They Are Killed". :3
***** I know quite a few characters that would like to add very colorful commentary in response to that bit of "common sense"...
And one of them is a fanfiction character.
This scene alone show that shirou is dangerously smart. Like Kiritsugu level smart. He may not be a master manipulator but the guy sure as hell can analyze the battle and take advantage of the enemy weakness.
well as archer he got Mind Eye (True) B
@@dualia-s74m which developed because of how analytical he was in life. The habit of being 2-3 steps ahead of the enemy is what translated into becoming eye of the mind as a heroic spirit.
ProNoobGamerDude Not just two or three, but TENs of steps of ahead, my man.
Dat cuz he archer and because he gots his arm which probably give him minds eye
Of it wasn't for those components he would've died in a matter of seconds
"Saber: Shirou. Is that all I am to you?
--- My heart stops."
Mine did too. x_X
Probably the best line in this route
What's her meaning by that?
Their bond and respect for each other is so deep...
@@owenemanka277 she's saying that she is disappointed/angered that shirou will not take battling her seriously enough to put his life on the line. At this point, that's all Alter can do to show her original feelings for Shirou. Their bond is extremely deep and strong, that is why when he beats her the normal way(in the normal story trajectory) he has to essentially wipe his memory of everything related to her in order to not go insane, because it is so traumatic an event for him.
All hidden meninges alter loves shirou you have to see deeper into the story in all the fates these twe are always canected the one she has loved and always will love it just that alter sapreses her feelings more this time in order to achieve her goal even if that means killing the one she holdes direst and love
the ending is so badass that is only stated as a "End"
There is an even better ''End'' in the Kohaku route during the final fight against Ahika. I don't remember the exact choice but it will trigger an ending where the ''Nanaya Shiki alter ego'' wakes up inside Shiki's mind and easily kills Ahika like a top tier assassin.
@@ste5766 You might be talking about a different game.
@@ste5766 that remind me of an old wine.
@@iceaura3938 same universe different protagonist different game Tsukihime
This ending is perfect.
Back in fate route there was an option to ask Saber for a definitive technique in the dojo to defeat his opponents.
This shows that Being weak as a human, even years after the holy grail war, shirou looked for a technique to help him defeat his opponents in one move.
His weakness tormented him troughout his entire life and this is one of many proofs.
This "archer shirou was still shirou" aspect ads a lot to his character.
Also archer's arm taking over his mind after every projection, and how he screams saber's name in the end, even though he lost everything else, shows how important Saber was for him.
The pace and everything is perfect. I got nothing else to say.
Indeed.
*Saber bullyed and beated him for asking a cheat technique*
I like how it took four simultaneous sword strikes to defeat Saber after the Assassin fight showed that three simultaneous sword strikes weren't enough to get the job done.
@@Rogue-a-Pogue well in reality not even 4 strikes are enough, she was playing the "honorable duel" against Shirou to test him and try to bait him to project Excalibur, because she always had this complex about Shirou choosing archer as his ideal fighting style instead of hers, so her for her own pride as a knight she wanted him to choose her.
If she had fought against him like she did with the other ones Shirou would've been dead from the start
As for Shirou, he felt a special connection with saber, her sheath has been inside him since he was a child and she was the one person who allowed Shirou to finally stand for himself and start moving towards his ideal, as well as allowing him to have a way to fight in this war, through her. She legit left a bigger impression on him than his own self, but he couldn't help but to be more attracted to archer's combat style because it's literally made for himself, by himself.
Salter: That noble phantasm cannot match me.
Shirou: I'm about to end this woman's whole career
Also Shirou: AND my own
Salter: That noble phantasm can't match me.
Shirou: Okay but like what if four.
It may have matched her...but who won the battle? The NP shirou used didn’t accomplish anything, at the end of the day saber won and shirou lost.
What a disappointment.
@@kyzersoze8408 it destroyed her internak organd. Shirou won that fight rin can win the fight against sakura. Shirou stopped her long enough for that to happen
@@lordtouchme5417 saber clearly says that she will regenerate if shirou cant make the final stab. And shirou couldn’t make it because he’s brain went into a vegetative state. So yeah, saber and sakura won at the end.
A disappointing ending.
I love how every other Tiger Dojo has "Bad End" or "Dead End" in the corner when you reach it.
But Sparks Liner High just says "End". In the dead center. This is not a bad ending. This is a victory.
It ain't a victory, shirou still was braindead, and saber still healed, this was just to epic for it to be a bad end.
Bad end? Yes. Chad end? Biiiiiig yes.
Hidden saber alter route
and how is this a victory. he basically sacrifice himself for the wrong girl and as a result, he wont be there to save the two sisters from themselves. even saber understood this in the end.
have no idea why sparks liner high have such a following among the type moon community but we can be glad that this never became the ending for the spring song movie!
@@keronstewart9446 because of how unbelievable it really was. Yeah sure Saber Alter wasn't using Beam Spam but still her sword alone was enough to cut through Berserker with ease along with her instinct and techniques. The fact that Shirou could keep up with her and beat her in a duel seemed so unbelievable but the way Nasu wrote it out it makes sense. It also means that Archer is even more skilled than everyone initially thought since he never had to use everything he had since for the most part he had already completed his goal
This was the one ultimate attack that Shirou wanted Saber to teach him in the dojo
Saber, the victim of receiving the most Noble Phantasm attack in Fate stay night.
Gáe Bolg
Broken Fantasm(dodged?)
Bellerophon
Turning Swallow Strike
Rule Breaker
Gate of Babylon
EA
Zabaniya
Triple-Linked Crane Wings
Authur: J....Just let me die in peace...
Nasu Kinoko: No.
1 year late, but she technically self destructed before getting hit by Zabaniya.
Triple Linked isn't a Noble Phantasm, rather a technique created by Archer which uses the projection of three copies of Kanshou and Bakuya and creating a multi directional attack to entrap the opponent before executing them.
@@user-rg7mv9yo7b Well, it's still count as a Noble Phantasm you know...
It always breaks my Heart how she actually expected Shirou to finally finish her but at the same time she sounds so sad once she realizes Shirou already died.
She is not the same anymore yet she wanted his sacrifice to mean something at the end. The one she protected at the start of the war managed to take advantage of her limits and even broke pass his own limits just to put her in that state. Is almost as if she actually wanted Shirou to finish the job so all his sacrifices could matter at the end. Deep down she still treasures him so much that she wants him to emerge victorious, kill her and go with Sakura and Rin.
But she realizes he died, the one that broke pass his own limits is not here anymore, he is not here to finish the job, his mind gave up before he could do it. Now just *fate* itself will decide if his sacrifice will mean something, and Saber knows it, she doesn't care anymore what will happen, maybe she will regenerate and kill Rin, maybe Rin will manage to save Sakura on time.
She knows it doesn't matter anymore, the hero of the story is not there anymore. Nobody will be saved.
What a great analysis man. Such a great post
I always find myself envious when I read such comments because I can't be that analytical.
Spirit and technique, flawless and firm
Our strength rips the mountains
Our swords split the water
Our names reach the imperial villa
The two of us cannot hold the heavens together.
Instagibification
That's Archer's version.
Shirou's version is:
Spirit and fechnique, flawless and firm
Our strength rips the mountains
Our swords split the water
Life reaches the imperial villa
Two great men, one shared life!
I hate to reply to old comment but:
The poem is what Archer engraved onto Kanshou&Bakuya, in Chinese (since its a Chinese weapon. Its done in the style of old Chinese poems). Thus, the interpretation in Japanese differs, and the English translation of said interpretation even more. Its just a single poem in the end, but there are multiple way to read it because of how it was written
『鹤翼(しんぎ)、欠落ヲ不ラズ(むけつにしてばんじゃく)』
『心技(ちから)、泰山ニ至リ(やまをぬき)』
『心技(つるぎ)、黄河ヲ渡ル(みずをわかつ)』
『唯名(せいめい)、别天ニ纳メ(りきゅうにとどき』
『両雄(われら)、共ニ命ヲ别ツ(ともにてんをいだかず)』
This isn't a bad ending. This is a canonical ending where Shirou dies as a badass equal to GArcher. I really hope ufo makes an OVA of this moment as an extra for the movie
Well all endings are canonical, even bad endings.
TheRobearShow That's the slightly disturbing thing. Almost 40 possible parallel words, and in more than half of them, Shirou fills an emotional connection with the fish he cuts up every morning for breakfast if it were alive as he did it...
***** He became a vegetable, with no hope of coming back. As a thinking being, he is deader than dead.
***** It wasn't about that. His brain wasn't exploding, his mind was breaking. He collapsed as a thinking being.
***** It heals physical injuries only. It can't heal mental damage like the one Shirou undergoes in Heaven's Feel.
About the "poem" of the crane wing triple strike, and the back story of true Kansho Bakuya in history:
Kansho Bakuya, or actually, Ganjiang Moye was a pair of swords forged by one of the greatest smiths in ancient China, Ganjiang.
He was ordered by the king of Chu to forge the best sword. It took him three years to make the twin blades, named after himself and his wife. He gave the relatively weaker one, Moye, to the king and saved the stronger one Ganjiang for his wife. He said to his wife : "the king would kill me to stop me from making a stronger sword, so you must take the Ganjiang sword and hide, with our child in your belly. If the child is a boy, tell him to revenge me." Then he was executed by the king.
A baby boy was born. And he grew up with vengence in his heart. He took his father's sword and went to the capital of Chu kingdom. But on the way, an assasin approached him, saying he didn't have a chance to strike down the king, and he had to trust the assassin to do the job for him. But, to do the job, the assassin needed the sword, and the boy's head. The boy, knowing he couldn't revenge his father, commited suicide with that sword.
So the assassin took the sword, the head and went to the king. He said this is the Ganjiang sword, and the head of Ganjiang's son. The king actually dreamed of the boy a while ago and he knew it was Ganjiang's revengeful son and he put a bounty on the boy's head. So the king is relieved to see his nemesis dead. He decided to boil the boy's head to prevent him from resurrecting. And amazingly, the head just managed to stay the same in boiling water. The assassin asked the king to take a closer look, to use his divine power as a king to destroy the head. The king took a closer look, then the assassin cut off the king's head, and his own after that. The three heads were then boiled to the skulls and couldn't tell apart, so the king's court buried them together.
And the story is where the poem came from. The swords that cut through mountains and cut off water stream, and end the life of the user and the enemy at the same time.
But why did it became shirou's/archer's favourite weapon?
@@muhammadhazmi3201 Aesthetic perhaps? i dont remember if an "in-lore" answer was ever given for that.
I suppose its because that legend is relatively obscure so it fits thematicaly with Archer.
Or perhaps he just liked them because they increased his Magic Resistance and were extra effective against demonic enemies.
Or they looked cool to him, idk.
@@muhammadhazmi3201 Thematically, probably the tragic "double-edged sword" nature of the blades. Lorewise, low mana cost of projection (spammable), power, utility (always return to each other), and modifiable (overedge).
@@ChristheDowned Maybe because just like him, they were surrounded by death and would be surrounded by nothing but death. The swords that killed their wielders and the man, not sent to save people or solve a problem but to kill a problem. Or maybe he was just hoping these blades would somehow bring an end to his suffering, even knowing that death was meaningless to him.
@@muhammadhazmi3201 It’s because of philosophy and meaning, the swords were never forged with some great destiny in mind or anything like that, the first sword was meant as a gift with a heavy price, the second one was forged from the death of the price’s other half, they are eternally connected but they are completely empty other wise, just like how EMYIA sees himself and shirou, in his mind the swords are very similar to him. Without true purpose, just a set of Beautiful blades that just exist, they can cut well from their very nature of weapons that come close to the gods, but otherwise they are purposeless and empty. I believe that’s the canon reason, although it’s possible I’m wrong
Oh man, dying in the most badass way possible. The GAR level is intense
Even the music too. I wanna hear the movie version so bad
This isn't going to be in the movie...
Sorry... but what's GAR?
Chicken Bacon I see.. thanks..
@@chickenbacon5197 Shirou/Archer (Gar), Siegfried (Sumanai-kun...), Gilgamesh (King of whales)
"Shirou. Why are you conserving your energy?"
"______"
*Cue OST: In the Name of God*
That was the most epic scene ever!!!
18:45
"My last ten percent disappears" T_T
I'm unarmed now.
The enemy closes in on her unarmed opponent.
I charge.
-
Some of the best aspects of Nasu fight scenes are explained in microcosm right there.
+Thalanox U mean how he seamlessly switches between first and third person perspectives?
+Zvxman McVongami He didn't. He's still in first person perspective, but he's referring to third person objects. he said "her opponent" because he's describing things as they relate to her. it's about frames of reference.
It's grammatically correct, trust me.
@Pablo Lorenzo woah H scenes were good too
@Pablo Lorenzo the hollow ataraxia ones are 100000x better. he must have been taking lessons from somewhere
@Pablo Lorenzo Are you saying you don't like mollusks?
That feeling when you know it's never gonna be animated...
B_mod
Hope
Chance it's gonna be animated is pretty high, probably as stand alone bonus scene in HF Bluray.
They animated the Sunny Day ending so they probably will
@@CrnaStrela probably the normal end, other than that I don't see Ufotable animating the bad end considering their history with fate
@@sebastianswan7975 but rather than bad end. This one is just end tho
They better do an ova about this scene or a extra scene in the heaven feel movie.
haha, I totally agree and said the same thing to my friends a while ago!
Though I feel it will be unlikely T_T
Funny they do a bad ova for the persona golden, but not this! I am displeased.
Who knows, they might include it as an extra with the movie blu ray.
KENNETH CABRERA I'm hoping they add it somehow - but I hope they don't replace the "legit"(rider+shirou) method with a modified version of sparks liner. Something about that tragic scene with him on top of her needs to be conveyed in the movie, not replaced with this (awesome) action scene~
"only attack when you are certain it will be successful". Saber drove that into him during their early training. Somehow, despite it being cheap, to kill her as she was out of commission is like respecting her teachings~
***** I think maybe have this as a dream could work.
It's been years since I finished the VN, and yet I still find myself coming to see this every couple months...
Does Anyone feel like Shit when Illya says... "Let's meet in another Dojo"......
Considering the true end....
Cries
*Icryeverytime*
Asdercol
At least she's alive in Hollow Ataraxia.
Isn't Hollow Ataraxia just a dream of Lancer's former master tho?
Naru
I thought it was a series of parallel world time loops? I'm probably remembering wrong, though. It's been a while since I've read FHA.
This bad end is filled with so much awesome. Seriously
when shirou died (I mean his mind being destroyed), I shed manly tears, goes to show the consequences of being a badass
I loved his death
yea it was sad yet symbolic
Force Edge 200 yes but I don't mean this way hahaha I just hated him during the whole gameplay that I was relivied when he died. sorry
also, he got so badass in this ending, that I liked him a bit
Oh I see, I like Shirou's character though. You might not agree bu I think he is a great character
That moment after the scene ends and it gets completely silent then proceeds to transition into the ost of ever present feeling is one of the greatest experiences I've ever had playing a visual novel.
25:04
“-Ah”
I think this is the moment , when saber realized that she lost
secondaries be like: "FSN is childish, Zero is far better", i present you the real nature of FSN, full of #GAR
JourneyML1
To be fair, Fate and UBW had its own fair share of GAR moments, just that most of them were GAR because of Shirou's thought process, which were always cut out.
I.E.
- Breaking out of Angra Mainyu's mud through sheer force of will.
- Blowing up Kirei's heart and doing his dad proud.
- Going toe-to-toe with, and proving Archer wrong in his beliefs.
- Hell, his entire fight with Gilgamesh also counts.
Ken Reyes ^^^^ This!
Ken Reyes you forgot fighting the blind berserker heracles
One of the many reasons why Heaven's Feel is the best route.
@@SixT6_Official Nah, they are all great in their own right.
Spirit and technique..... perfectly clean.
Our fiery spirit cooks the food
Our strong brooms clean the floor
Our famous names echo far and wide
Two great men.... SUFFERED AS MAIDS or Broom and dustpan.... SHARED LIFE!
- Archer, while cleaning the mess after he was summoned
even if its a bad end its amazing.
This scene is to all the Shirou haters, I'll overpowered the king of knights in a sword fight even if its gonna cost my life. The most GAR protagonist in the anime universe.
Tailong Well he did overpower the King of Heroes too, so he already accounts as GAR :)
I'd say Simon from TTGL is more GAR, but in a different way.
Tailong Well, he technically _created_ the GAR.
M Only because someone is a fake doesn't mean he can't beat the original.
There are a LOT of badasses in fiction.
Nick Roscher I think you didn't get my comment?...I mean that Shirou created the GAR, because Archer is Shirou and the GAR exists because a guy misspelled "gay" for "gar" when expressing his feelings about Archer.
I just don't get the point of your reply
"--------Divine skill, flawless and firm.
Trace on--------
--------Freeze, out.
--------Strength moves mountains.
--------Blade cuts water.
--------Life approaches the Imperial Villa.
Saber--------......!!!!!!"
Legendary.
I'll be angry if UFOtable doesn't make an OVA with this bad end.
Be angry then.
Hello, are you angry? I am
I think they might in the future.
pain.
Ufotable: Ok, but you have to choice: sparks liner high or the last episode... We hasn't enough money...
Shirou's only limiting factor in battle really is his own mind. When he has Rider with him he can't touch Saber by himself because he doesn't believe he can. But on his own he NEEDS to do it somehow, and then he creates that miracle. If he hadn't already been half dead when the fight started he would've won.
The legendary scene that blows everyone's mind away.
Man this route was so heart breaking. After loving the fate route so much, its really hard to see saber like this
>loving the fate route
as expected this fanbase has shit taste as always
Mommy Demeter >Hating the Fate route
As expected, the fandom can’t accept that every route is good in their own right.
Few years later, the scary Saber Alter became a cute maid.... not complaining though
@@iloveanothermanswives4278 of course
@@iloveanothermanswives4278 Correction: A cute gothic lolita maid!
28:29 Eerie as hell, I remember watching this the first time at night, that SFX along with the "End" screen was pretty spine chilling.
Dark souls
You died.
Spirit and technique, flawless and firm
The crane's wings misses not its mark
Our strength rips the mountains
Spirit and technique breaches Mt Tai
Our swords split the water
Spirit and technique crosses the Yellow river
Our names reach the imperial villa
Our names etched upon the first gods' realms
The two of us cannot hold the heavens together.
Two heroes' lives, shared and parted
It's been thirteen years since I started the VN with mirrormoons first patch. To think i'll be watching the conclusion of the final route this year... This is the best timeline for sure.
Ye
"Anally?"
oh.. that Illya!
30:00
So THAT'S what's in Illya's route...
Badass Ending
Sir Cumference XD
The Heaven's feel Route is mess up. The creators should've devised a way to save Saber & bring her back to Normal!
+Sora Light No
Play Saber route (c)
Ice Cream I did a long time ago
It's Rin's quote from dojo
still cant believe that im getting hyped over some text on my screen. lmao
Do books not excite u lmao
@@MrInuhanyou123 ah! so we meet again, fellow comrade.
While I do enjoy reading books, I'm not usually screaming inside while shaking in excitement....ahaha
@@yasin2701 xDDD
It's still epic as always, funny how Nasu worked so hard for an alternate ending that it's not even a "definitive" ending.
Tohsaka told him to "live up to (her) expectations" but Shirou died beyond expectations
after all these years, i still cannot think of an end true, good or bad as badass as Sparks Liner High... truly the peak of the light novel
The best scene that will be never animated.
Most likely wrong...
I just saw the movie and it had the "true ending", the difference between the True ending and fake ending isn't worth making a "ova".
This probably will be included in the Blue Ray version as an OVA just like the "summer days ova for Unlimited Blade works.
@@Ultimatelocke Unfortunately it wasn't... ;-;
鶴翼不欠落(Divine skill,flawless and firm)
心技至泰山(Strength moves mountains)
心技渡黄河(Blade cuts water)
唯名納別天(Life approaches the Imperial Villa)
両雄倶別命(Two great men,shared life)
I appreciate that Saber is still willing to give Shirou a chance to save Sakura by fighting her.
TheGeekySkeptic It is most likely an altered part of "Ilya route" that never came into fruition, the scene was just too cool for Nasu to abandon it completely.
Nasu said that a route in which Shirou allied with Shinji agaisnt Rin had a bigger chance of happening.
I would love to see that route. Firstly because Shinji is a typical kick-the-dog character and wasn't even much of a villain compared to other, more capable antagonists like Kirei or Zouken. I would really like Shinji to be a little more important, a little more ambigious, not an easy-to-make character whose only purpose is to be hated.
The second reason is, I really think that Shinji might be an outstanding ally. It is all just a theory, (super-dorky, unreasonable and wishful-thinking based theory) but in UBW Rin mentions that even his remains of magical circuits would aweken if connected to magical equivalent of nuclear reactor ie. Ilya's heart. That would make him capable of doing, well, something to aid Shirou, that would make him a magus. Not to mention he was said to turn into a nicer person after UBW finale (which just *might* have been because his wish was to be able to use magic and it came true thanks to Ilya's heart).
He have always been interested in his magical heritage, read magecraft books and inquired about Matou history, and I think he could really mean it when he said to Emiya that he has knowledge of a magus yet no power. Also, in Fate, he used (fake) command spell to attack Emiya with those shadows. They were weak, but it is still awesome that he could cast a spell without using magic circuits , similarily to what Kirei did in fight against Kiritsugu in Fate/Zero. That seems to be quite a skill.
In summary: would get more character development, would be justified to ally with Emiya due to being a better person, would possess magic circuits and could be the first Matou in ages to learn magecraft by brain not by body. I would love to see that happen. (But Ilya would have to die early for that so it sucks)
***** Okay, so let's say that Shiro doesn't approve of killing Ilya, because of his usual let's protect everyone way of living. Does that mean you'll (well, Shiro will) end up "drilling" Shinji in order to "support him with mana"? :D
cibáld meg Shiro? No, not enough mana to compare it to nuclear reaction. Berserker on the other hand...
***** ugh... :DDDDD
Shirou needs to use Rule Breaker in this fight and Unlock Saber Alter Route 🔓😈
The Shirou from this ending could probably enter the Throne of Heroes
Except DW won't give us the already 100% confirmed Throne of Heroes Pseudo Servant Muramasa Shirou lol
They're saving him for the full on Shirou vs Saber 2.0 I think. Since the 6th Lostbelts is in Camelot.
Knowing that Muramasa serves to Beast VII we will have to beat the hell out of him
"Bad(ass) End" 22:30
When i played the VN i somehow got all the true endings on my first run i never knew a bad end to be this badass
25:17 shirou's second use of the word "defenseless"
He just can't help himself
It probably won’t happen, but I feel like this bad end deserves to be animated, somehow
Same
If anything Heaven's Feel just shows how strong Archer is
Well, he did kill Heracles 6 or 5 times in fate-route, sooo.
@@lakshaykochhar6799 in a directly combat too, Imagine him vs Heracles with some distance.
This Ending Should be Animated FUCK even as an OAV
"But i still have more" EPIC
See so much hidden feelings saber alter still loves shirou no Matter what you can see hear and read it
This is by far my favourite ending.
my second favorite after Continuation of the Dream+Last Episode
O strength that moves mountains,
And blade that cuts water.
Soar high into the Heavens above,
As two hearts that beat at once!
See ya~
Triple Crane Wings!
SEIBAAAAA
Please give us this scene ufotable. I am literally begging you.
At least he remembered her name.....yea this ending is too gar
22:30 aka best boi kicks the ass of the unlimited prana Heroic Spirit empowered by her darkest impulses, proving he always was a fucking hero.
Don't fuck with the guy whose body is made of swords.
They adapted UBW Sunny days as a Special soooooo
A special of this fight would be spectacular
That selfish happiness is fighting with Saber and doing this animation.
also that moment when she says"the long battle is about to reach the grand finale" is epic
i don't know why but this scene remembers me of the fight between shiki and arcueid in ciel route...
KINOOOOOOOOO! Nasu-sama, I kneel...
What an awesome bad end, holy shit.
I’m sure Saber doesn’t blame Shirou for his decision. It was better to hear her master’s kind words than continuously aim to cut him in twain.
Coolest scene in all routes
We will never see this animated...
Good. Ufo won't ruin it like some proclaim
@@bl_rose5367 Yeah, they really only care about flashy lights nowadays. Ufo ruined Nine Lives Blade Works.
@@contown731 How? What do you mean they ruined NLBW?
Let me count the ways...
-Emiya stopped playing right before the fight started
-They completely removed Shirou realizing he needed to kill Berserker in one move or lose
-No serious tension of the painful 3-second countdown as Shirou takes aim and waits while Berserker charges towards him
-Shirou spinning in front of Berserker for 5 seconds was fucking stupid when the whole point of the fight was "win in an instant or die"
It was an intense dramatic moment originally. In the movie it was "look OMG so hype Shirou with a big sword!!!" without ever even acknowledging how absolutely outclassed Shirou was, even with Archer's arm. But hey, flashy lights and big cuts on the ground and fancy spin moves are better, right? *The HF movies were a shitty adaptation. Any VN reader knows this.*
@@contown731 So… what you’re saying is that the HF movies lost all the tension during adaptation?
BEST ENDING SO FAR
ufotable ples T_T
unfortunately, in heaven's feel, a theme is that shirou has to sacrifice a lot to gain a selfish happiness D:
Biyte that is why I don't like this route to much, not that it's bad but just why kill just about EVERYBODY
Tbh I like the fact that this will be vn exclusive
Shirou laugh creep me out holy shit
Badass ending
Oh God, why did I watch this before school?
its a shame ufotable did not adapt this fight in blu ray
Ufotable, please make this an OVA.
I dont know which one was better, this one ( Shirou vs Saber ) or Shirou vs Gilgamesh? I go for UBW ( Shirou vs Gilgamesh ).
Shirou vs Archer (visual novel) is amazing too.
Personally, they have different meanings.
Shirou VS Gilgamesh is the culmination of Shirou wanting to prove his ideal is now his own, and not just borrowed from Kiritsugu.
Shirou vs Saber is just pure unadulterated awesome.
Shirou Vs archer because he used his own actually used his own magic
I also go for the UBW Shirou vs Gilgamesh one of the best fights in my opinion.
I wonder what desire the saber had? Or maybe she was killed by a piece of rock and the war had no winner.
bad endin more like badass
welcome to people that come here after springsong broadcast
I'm sorry but saber is best girl
BADASS ENDING!
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Yet he was still choosing to do so, is he not being selfish by following whatever he wants? His ideal may be messed up but its ultimately selfish of him in a way. Think about Saber, Rin or Sakura in all routes they constantly want him to stop sacrificing himself for others but he never does because he wants to follow that ideal and in turn for making himself happy following it he causes them unhappiness and worry. I agree being selfish isnt bad, but people try to use it as an insult.
I'm not sure you can really call it selfish at this point. Yes he risked alot of lives so he could be happy with Sakura, but think of how much he suffered and sacrificed for her and only her. He sacrificed his body, his mind, even his ideals which he valued above all else. I'm not entirely sure he did it for his own happiness either... he seemed more interested in making Sakura happy, after all would he have walked to his certain death if it was all about him being happy with her?
So... Shirou actually loses to Alter Saber? What happens after this? I mean, sure he knocked her out of the fight for ten minutes but he dies. He isn't able to finish her. Does she go and help Sakura beat Rin? SOMEONE HELP.
This is a bad end. Shirou basically becomes a vegetable. Alter Saber heals then goes and joins up with Sakura and they kill Rin.
+IchiBanSamuraiTenshi you say that but this is absolutely the only bad ending that does not say "bad" end. it just says "end" kind of leaving the reader to assume if he bought her enough time or not.
Going by the FSN wiki it still considered a bad end though they do note that it is abnormal just saying end. I'm assuming Rin doesn't have enough time to have a heart to heart with Sakura and Saber arrives, although due to it saying End only, it is possible she could have won. I don't know if anyone ever questioned the creator of FSN about that ending. It would be cool to see it animated.
+IchiBanSamuraiTenshi I really do hope they animate that end. though it will likely only be saber vs rider and shirou.
my thought is that it only says end because.. yes. shirou dies- but he saves Rin and Sakura. So while it is sad, Shirou fulfilled his dream to become a hero. if everyone died it would be a bad end.
Josh Evans Rin beats Sakura. Sakura orders saber to destroy the grail. It’s unknown if rin and her live.
If only they adapted this
How can I unlock this scene with the Mighty Wind ost?
I tried many times but I just get the scene without the epic ost and with some different sentences.
The ending is the same but not the battle :/
You need to be playing realta nua (ps2 version i think). If you are playing PC version, I forget the process but I think you need to make cd image of realta nua (or download or something) and apply a fan made patch. Sorry if this isn't very helpful but it has been a few years.
In short, this scene is from patched ps2 version
I understand, thx.
I think I'll watch the scene here on youtube and decide what to do in the future xD
People live when they are breathing!
I really wish this had been the normal path through HF, instead of Crazy Train. And Shirou just had one projection left after the Saber fight.
yo man... this scene... might not make it into the animation!! D:
They should just do this scene anyways, even if it has to be an extra or something!
ufotable pls release an ova of this ending
22.29
start!!!!
He could've just made one sword at the end to maybe save his conciusness.
I mean two swords weren't enough to kill her so I doubt one could, and KB have reduced mana cost when projecting together, they come as a pair lol
Yeah, I've heard that argument before, but, honestly, would it have made that much a difference? Assume that Rider had been badly wounded and Shirou had finished Saber off like this, with one final projection still left for Sakura.
Would this REALLY have squashed the theme of the route? Honestly, they even made a separate music, just for this scene, since it was so awesome. And then it's a weak game over :(