Did Lady Gaga's "ARTPOP" Really Flop?
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- Welcome back to Pop Dissected! Today, we’re going to take a retrospective look at Lady Gaga’s third studio record - “ARTPOP”.
We’re going to see what exactly led to people branding Lady Gaga as a “flop”, and how this record became Lady Gaga’s most controversial, and divisive era yet.
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You can literally screenshot any moment in artpop era and it would be a wallpaper
Oh, totally! Her visuals were incredible.
So true!
Artpop is my wallpaper everywhere
YES
@Lina Morgana 😁😊
Only if the Artpop era had gone the way Gaga wanted, it’d have been a total success.
The poor single choices are the label to blame. The management team is a chaos according to Gaga. Aura is supposed to be a continuation of Telephone. All of this makes Artpop the flop era which everyone like to make fun of but I am glad this era and “flop” didn’t hurt Gaga like Witness era did to Katy.
Exactly! It's a bit of a shame Katy was met with a legitimate decline in tour sales, and record / single sales with "Witness". Katy REALLY took a career beating with that record, but Gaga managed to bounce back! I definitely agree the single choices off of "ARTPOP" were mostly to blame. And this era is by NO means bad, it was such met with a lot of adversary and controversy.
Aura is disastrous 2011 edm it would never get on radio nor chart
SeashellAmerican i think it would’ve sounded AMAZING on the radio
Monsters still obsessed with Katy...😔
Taeyeon is fucking awesome stay pressed
Artpop is actually the last Lady Gaga I enjoyed, I miss her pop electronic stuff
I miss her electronic stuff as well, but all artists eventually evolve and try new things :)
Joanne is a masterpiece, just as good as the others
@@lxa2815 Yes it is!
Joanne is her best album to me
Buck Naked how so?
people throw around “ARTFLOP” when in reality this era gave us G.U.Y and Venus..those two tracks alone are life changing
Tony H tru
Sooooo trueeeee
no
Fuck YES
those should’ve been the first two singles. Uhg
The scary moment when everyone though she is over then star is born is out. Winning oscars, grammy and selling 6 million album within a year. Artpop was a break for star is born era i guess
aitai sakura cheek to cheek did really well + she had the success that is joanne
Very true! I think Artpop really 'reset' her as an artist, which enabled her to reach a new peak of success.
WHY DOES EVERYONE FORGET AHS
Arron Lawhon no one forget. We are talking about her music and album not the tv show dear.
JOANNE did alot for her too.
Is artpop underrated???
YAS
Did it fail?
No
Tea!
*yes
Thank you ❤
@@stefanosliakos6370 a year late but I hope you aren’t saying artpop failed..
ARTPOP is just Lady Gaga’s Bionic, nobody got it when it was released, nothing she did in that era was ever good enough for anyone, but when we look back at its not a bad record, just out of place for it’s time.
Very true!
HugeDeal86 true it was too good for this era
she is just too fake and Manufactured!
Period! Bionic and Artpop have aged very well over the years
@@prophetmadonna3744 A madonna fan is barking about Gaga! That's surely not a new thing.
The same “journalists” that beat her down during the ArtPop era are the same ones who praised her during A Star is Born. I still thoroughly enjoy ArtPop.
It's cause ASIB was made for the straights
I like to think there’s an alternate reality where ARTPOP turned out the way Gaga wanted it, and how it deserved to be; A visual album, with ARTPOP ACT II., single choices being the right ones(, performing in space!!), the ARTPOP app having unreleased songs on it, and it widely successful with fans AND critics.
We can only dream 😭✨
Our dreams keeps us going 😩I'm right there with you!
I'd love that happening but artpop act II definitely would have contradicted the point of artpop as an album. She first wanted to make those to see the ARTpop part of the album and also the artPOP part of the album. But the whole point was to put art and pop together, not to make it 2 different albums.
Humorflix YPTH y mas I completely agree with you- I just believe that if she actually did it, yet kept it experimental, it would help the era immensely. Especially since some of her best songs/song ideas (Brooklyn Nights, Onion Girl, etc.) would’ve/could’ve been on it.
And healthy fan base.
o u i j a b o a r d That too 😩
its my fave album of all time so.......
Yes, it's still a good album despite the criticism is received!
It’s what pop was meant to be
Born this way is her best album
ARTPOP is definitely one of my favorite albums ever.
Mine too, I even have huge tattoo of ARTPOP. It became instantly my fave album and stayed until now.
Lady Gaga was ahead of her time
I see no lies.
Way ahead
if they made aura as a second single and made the telephone sequel. The album would have never flopped 💀
Ahh, the telephone sequel we've all been long awaiting for - haha!
Aura is like... Fourth Single Quality
Burqa*
Applause
Do What U Want (Ft. The Weeknd)
Gypsy
Burqa
G.U.Y.
@@zw6201 the weeknd i-
Great Video! In my opinion, ARTPOP “flopped” because it was ahead of its time.
Thank you for watching! And yes, I absolutely agree!
Yes! If she dropped it today it would’ve done so well. People weren’t ready for it. Gaga has always been ahead of her time
Gaga has never been "ahead of her her time". Quite the opposite in fact, she is known for coping other artists styles.
fruff30 y’all hear sum?
It didn’t flop though none of you can even justify properly why you say it is one.
in my opinion.. back then ARTPOP was not the “trend” or what people demand during that time.. but then we listen to the whole album now it make sense and related to the society nowadays..
Good point! ❤️
like i said i feel like Joanne and Artpop shouldve been switched around because when Artpop went out ppl wanted her to be stripped down vocally and now they want electronic style so yeah shouldve switched the two
@@ajplays7241 PERIODT
Definitely the fault of management. Didn't artpop come out at the same time her longtime manager Troy dropped her?
Yes it did. If you go through the comments, someone posted an in depth play by play of what happened with her and her manager / label during the ARTPOP era.
TTU222911 why was she dropped
Troy didn't drop her. It was her drop that n-word 😏😏😏 After that, he worked for Spotify, and guess what that dude was still butthurt. Look at her views, or followers on Spotify at that time. It's awful. And then. Spotify fired him and Lady Gaga montgly listening increased back. Strange huh? 😏😏 Justice has been done
@@TamHuynh-dp8nw racist
@@moneyneeded9979 thank you
Imagine ifVenus was The second single, DWUW ft Aguilera The third single, and GUY The last single 😍😍😍#Justice4ArtPop
A dream! Venus deserved!
Lady Gaga and Xtina = Epic
I love them both separately, but the Xtina collab is bad & GUY should have been the lead single. It's one of her most underrated songs imo.
andrescontt bitch where is Gypsy in this story?
@@filhoman7 Because of the word "gypsy" it could've never been a single, it's pretty much a slur and her using it to describe herself would be cultural appropriation
Art pop was literally her best album I will fight anyone who disagrees
@Ms. Tal me when I lie. Me when I have no taste. Me when I'm dumb.
@Ana María Quispe Flores luv u too
The Fame is also one of her best and u can't lie
The fame monster : am i a joke to you
born this way is my fave
And “Do what you want” was one of the best songs.
Truly!
it should have stayed a solo version tbh, it was closer to the original meaning and a fucking masterpiece!!!!
Agreed!
The Christina Aguilera version shouldve been on the album, especially to underscore the anti-fat shaming message that both of those women had to deal with.
Do what you want ft. Christina Aguilera, periodt
honestly the singles shouldve been:
1st: g.u.y
2nd: venus
3rd: aura
4th: applause
artpop deserved so much better. aura shouldve been the 3rd part to the paparazzi and telephone trilogy, the app shouldve went the way she wanted it to. you can tell when gaga was making this album, she wanted it to be her best and a big thing; the app, the 3rd part to paparazzi, where she explains every track, all the photoshoots and visuals, the artpop film, the very new sound. all messed up by her management. i'm honestly so sad that artpop wasnt what it could have been.
Very well explained! I'm right there with you.
ARTPOP is so good that every song has single potential, the fame maybe had some historic moments but the only good things were the singles, tfm and btw were definitely better but still had some room for improvement. The only song I see flopping is jewels n' drugs bc of its... not radio-friendly sound if you know what I mean.
I don't get why yall keep dissing applause G.U.Y. flopped and so did Venus (Both earning positions in the ~70s) and Aura would be like ... #92
MANiCURE should have been a single. Also, I love Jewels n' Drugs, if that song came out today… I mean, in today's rap culture, people would be absolutely mind-blown by the collision of four different incredible musicians.
People saying singles were weird..... I mean do you even know gaga?????
Gaga has always been "eccentric", I mean - why are people surprised? Maybe her singles were "too weird" for some people? I don't know! 🤷♀️
Coz it was ahead of its time
ARTPOP is by far her best Album to date. The only thing is it’s clear lady Gaga was not in control at the time. If she would’ve had things done her way it would’ve been a different outcome. I think ARTPOP had the potential to produce the same success as the fame or the fame monster.
I agree! I hate to see when an artist can't even have control over their own work, whether it's single choices, songs being put on the record etc. But it's an unfortunate reality.
As a long time Little Monster I really love ARTPOP but I agree with you! Its kinda thankfull that this "flop" happened so Gaga went to Cheek To Cheek and Joanne "cleaning" its negative saturated image made by the media at the time and for sure contributing to the success of A Star Is Born! I don't think Bradley Cooper choosed Gaga because of her old pop albuns but because of Joanne!
I agree 100%!
True!!! though Bradley said he loves all of Gaga’s music!
I think it was her performance of The Sound of Music that did it for Bradley. The look on his face at the end of that performance at the Grammys was pure adulation.
Rix sist no the actual story is Bradley had almost gave up because he couldn’t find anyone to play the female character it was until Bradley went to a cancer benefit event where Gaga sang La Vie En Rose, and that’s when Bradley saw that Gaga was the right person for the character
@@ernansandoval i prefer my version
ARTPOP is the reason why I love her more..
I totally understand that!
A lot of the demos from ARTPOP should have been the way they were
Yes! I find that sometimes artists' demos end up being stronger than what they officially release!
Sex Dreams, MANiCURE, ARTPOP, I Wanna Be With You (instead of Dope) and Swine should have stayed the same as they were presented at the iTunes Festival!! Also, the Aura Demo vocals would have slayed harder than the studio version vocals.
She also shouldn’t have take out Brooklyn nights and replacing it with Jewls And Drugs, don’t get me wrong jewls and drugs is good but she should have had it as a deluxe version if she would have made one
Completely disagree. People are only attached to the demos because they heard them first and for months before we got the final versions. In reality I find that the final versions of almost every song are better, especially Manicure and Sexxx Dreams.
@@Dimasterim hell no lol
Artpop's "failure" lead to the wonderful Joanne and a well received acting career in tv and film. She's living her best life. 👏
YES!!!
I still think Gaga should've replaced DWUW ft. R. Kelly with the Xtina collab and then should've made a new video with Xtina, or at least upload the performance to TH-cam and count it as a video...
Yes!!
That or even just a solo version. I really hope she'll perform it again one day in the future.
Her work with R Kelly is the most confusing misstep of her career. She normally has such good instincts! But even listening to the Xtina version just reminds me of her connection to (and that awful SNL performance with) Kelly. Better to just let it die, and make new songs.
Oh right, I forgot the video was by Terry Richardson! Omg gaga wtf were you thinking?? Yes, best to just let this song die. 💀🤦🏻♀️😬
ARTPOP IS SO UNDERRATED
I agree!
I totally agree! it was one of my favorite albums of 2013/2014!
Kareem clyne PERIODT
Yas #justiceforartpop
its as pretentious as garbage on modern art museums
This is my favorite Gaga era, it’s so unique, nobody will ever do anything like it, it strips down all of Gaga’s weird personality, and yet it brings a hole new level of crazy to the world. The show, the art work, the creativity, everything is so good that I’m still obsessed with it
It was SO creative! While people may have not understood "ARTPOP", Gaga knows how to intertwine so many complex ideas and make true art out of it!
I believe her tweet about "forgetting artpop " is her way of saying artpop didn't happen the way she envisioned it to be. And perhaps, this next album is going to be a reckoning for the industry. I'm excited. The trolling, and released makeup line seem to point to a big thing coming
OOOOH, good point! Let's hope there's some AMAZING things coming up for LG6.
I’m not trying to drag B because I love her,
But people have been so double standard for when it comes to Gaga. When B dropped beyonce album, her songs didn’t chart well and it wasn’t mainstream and it wasn’t making a huge impact as Sasha fierce or 4, but they still didn’t give her any shit.
But when gaga put out artpop, even applause was charting well, as well as do what you want and Dope, and the album reached no.1 in billboard 200 and her impact on others was huge, people still says she flopped. Even Venus was popular among listeners.
I just wish Americans would idolise gaga as much as they idolise bey because they are just as impactful and just as talented.
You're right! There is an odd double standard in the industry where certain artists are held to different standards for one reason or another, an unfairly called a "flop".
❤
People were waiting for the downfall on Gaga that's why.
Beyoncé didn't promote her album, she dropped the album and that's it. Gaga promoted the shit of Artpop. Beyoncé was a follow up to 4 which was not a big success. Beyoncé never reached the peak of Gaga.
It’s because sf wasn’t promoted so it wasn’t really expected to chart as well. Plus the whole surprise visual album thing broke the internet and overthrew the fact that it didn’t chart. Other than that I agree Gaga got too much shit that she didn’t deserve. I loved Artpop since the first time I heard it.
She said it since the begging “ARTPOP COULD MEAN ANYTHING”, I love this record so much, I was so young but still so capable to understand the art that this record is, if this album came today at my 21 yo I would become DaVinci, an album that was ahead of it’s time, and an era her true fans stick around ❤️, for many of us ARTPOP is still “THE ALBUM OF THE MILLENNIUM”
I went to two artRAVES and they are still hands down my favorite gaga shows ever and I haven't missed a tour with the exception of her residency show.
That's so awesome you got to go see her live! I wanted to see her live - maybe her next album tour I will!
I remember when Artpop came out people were getting bored of the hype surrounding her and the costumes etc. it was like promotion overkill in comparison to Beyoncé releasing a surprise album
Are you sure? ARTPOP barely got any promotion at all tbh.
@@heyitsmaddox It did, she did a lot of tv perfomances
@@rao803 True, but the promotion was very bad
@@heyitsmaddox I don't think so, the Applause performances where really good and well recieved, and helped the song to stay 14 weeks at the top 10 in the US. Also DWUW, Venus, Dope had critically acclaimed performances. It all suddently stopped when the video for DWUW was cancelled, her label wanted to stop de promotion and start de tour, also her manager left her weeks ago.
@@rao803 Yes that's what I mean by bad promotion.
I'm bias - i will always love Lady Gaga's collabs with RedOne together ;The Fame + The Fame Monster for me that was the sweet spot. Lady Gaga came onto the music scene hard, i don't know how she could've topped it tbh, the expectation was too great. Even just of my favorite early music alone she is iconic for making the impact she did. She has transitioned and i'm proud of her success.
You say that Joanne was her most authentic record to date but I disagree, I actually think it’s her least authentic. This album on the other hand, ARTPOP, I believe to be her most authentic record. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that she’s progressively got less and less authentic with each year that’s passed since its release to the point where I don’t even recognise her anymore.
ARTPOP practically SCREAMS Gaga. I mean it literally embodies and encapsulates her whole gig. Extroversion, boldness, electricity, pop, extravagance, vocals, visuals, art, depth Et Al. Everything since has been pretty pedestrian, by her standards, and I think I would have respected her a lot more had she continued down this artistic route even if it meant losing the GP and the major record label along the way. Sure, business wise it’s made a lot of sense for her to do Joanne and A Star Is Born and because of these things she’s genuinely thriving right now. But at what cost? Artistic integrity? She’s so obsessed with proving herself and her worth to everybody that hated her at the time that she forgot about the people who’d been there all along. The drop off with her fan base since ARTPOP and the gradual decline in engagement between one another is evident.
Maybe she just got older. Maybe her tastes changed. Maybe she feels she’s now on the right path. Maybe she’s happier now than she’s ever been. Great! I’m happy for her if that’s the case but I’m just not here for this current iteration of herself. Maybe she’ll excite me again one day. Maybe she won’t. But, irregardless, this album, ARTPOP, will always be one of my all time favourites, if not my absolute No.1 of all time. It’s just a beyond incredible pop record. It engulfs you from the get go and doesn’t ever let up. It’s like being hit by a massive gay truck that pins you to the grill by sheer gravitational force whilst it travels at 150mph down a rainbow highway with Gaga at the wheel and jets of glitter and neon light spewing out the exhausts. I will never get over this album and there’ll never be anything quite like it ever again. And for that, I’ll always be indebted to her.
VINYLOGICAL I deeply respect your opinion, but strongly disagree.
You put into words exactly how I feel, thank you. ARTPOP is incredible.
I love this album too however, Gaga herself said she was going through a hard time in her life and looking back is would have changed many things about this time. She talks about it now like its a stain on her image and she's grown. It was disappointing to me to hear because this Gaga i love.
Opinion on chromatica?
i agree.
Thinking about how ARTPOP could've been HER BIGGEST ALBUM TO DATE and how any of the singles in this era could have been bigger than Bad Romance if it wasn't for the mistreatment her management gave her. ARTPOP era deserves BETTER. It has top-tier potential but then it got wasted. I'm crying.
ARTPOP Is Still The Best Album Of 2013 People Still Talking About It
It's her best album tbh. ..
Definitely one of her most unique records!
I enjoy blasting ARTPOP when I’m feeling angry, excited, or just generally experiencing heightened emotions
Honestly She Has Not Disappointed me With Any Album!
Sadly it’s a numbers game but she’s still bae
I'm glad you've loved all her work! But, the music industry is an industry - and people know that. People love to look at numbers and sales and make assumptions :|
I LOVE this album so much! Didn’t care if someone called it a flop back then, such an Iconic year for music.
It truly was and still is iconic, even if Gaga tweeted she doesn't remember ARTPOP - haha!
Pop Dissected hahaha yes! can’t wait for LG6 paws up
@@marianospears3626 Me either! So excited!!
For me, what I’ve noticed is that when an artist puts out a record, people compare this new record to older work so much that they start to criticise every single detail in it, as if every record should sound almost similar to previous work or should have similar sounds and production, critics and people in general don’t recognise the uniqueness of a work of art until it’s too late and the era is over.
In my opinion, now that Chromatica is out I can say that it joins Artpop as my favorite album of Gaga’s and of all time.
the fact that Gaga came back SLAYING harder than ever before & 11 Years into her career
Oscar, Grammys, BAFTA, Golden Globes etc ....truly a Legend
NOTE: I state in the video "ARTPOP" debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100. I did in fact mean the Billboard 200. Secondly, in the segment discussing "Applause", I portion of the video had to be removed due to a copyright claim. In that portion, I discuss how many people were pitting Lady Gaga's "Applause" against Katy Perry's "Roar", which is why I mentioned Roar's sales numbers in the video. Lastly, it's been brought to my attention a lot was left out in regards to Gaga's management specifically - as well as her hip issue. With a lot of information being left out, I may create a new video that delves into that deeper! Thank you all for understanding.
Im on for it!
please do and also she dealt with drug abuse and depression
Just saw this comment after the other one I made. I love how you make your videos so a video about this era that would include all those things would be amazing!
Imagine is Aura was the lead single. That would’ve changed the game.
I see no lies.
And it was Burqa Burqa is better
and now, after 8 years of release, in 2021, ARTPOP is succesfull album. This album was ahead of time.
It still is
Whitout Artpop flop there would never be a Joanne Era or Movie Star era. So, in a sense, this "flop" led to the Gaga we know today.
Very true! Gaga rose higher than ever after this "flop", and we love it for her!
The song "The Fame" she sings "I can see myself, in a movie, with my picture in city lights"
Fast forward 10 years and there she is!! 😉
Artpop is an underrated album and it’s such a shame. It’s actually amazing
ARTPOP is my favourite album by her. It was ahead of its time. I think at that point of time, both she and her label (+fans) cared too much about being success. If she had rolled out the album according to her initial plan - Aura, Venus and then only Applause, maybe it could've still bombed on chart but at least she and lil monsters wouldnt regret.
in my opinion, ARTPOP is not a lazy album, it's clear that lady gaga is such an intellectual person, ARTPOP deserved better, but it needed to happen, it made her temp new music, joanne is her best album vocally speaking, she sang jazz, and it lead to be an oscar winner, i think ARTPOP was the best thing that happened in her career.
ARTPOP was kinda weird and incoherent in comparison to all her other albums but that is exactly what I love about it. I miss this music from Gaga but times have changed
The inconsistency with "ARTPOP" I personally think is what turned a lot of people. Believe it or not, a lot of people do like records that are consistent throughout. But to each their own - anyone can love a record for a variety of reasons, so I'm glad why you like that about the record!
did nicki minaj’s queen album really flop?
It's on its way... 🤫
yes it did
@@TheJay109 Ik this is a year old but nah, it sold 3.1M WW, is platinum, had 9 songs charting, 2 top 10 single, sold 186K first week and 98K second and did pretty good on streaming platforms during her hate train
I think ARTPOP is a fantastic album. G.U.Y is my favorite track from the album as all the Greek themed songs. She has a keen eye for creation and is far beyond our time with music. While I love Joanne and it’s songs. I miss her Monster sound and haunting lyrics. I thought this album was better than Born This Way in my opinion. Venus, G.U.Y and many of the other tracks are some of my favorites that I still listen to almost daily. This and The Fame Monster are true epics of music creativity.
I'm glad you love the record so much! Gaga is so creative, and this record really allowed her to try so many amazing things!
ARTPOP is now iTunes #1 pop album - ❤️
I just realized Artpop and Witness had pretty much the same fate, heavily underrated and a little overhated, can only be considered flops when compared to Born This Way/Teenage Dream, were definitely ahead of their time (I'm sure that if Artpop and Witness had been released in 2020 they'd be a success) Are masterpieces, and people didnt truly appreciated them until years later
ARTPOP is underrated. It was made when I was little, and the songs I knew, I loved. When I grew a little (I'm 11.) and understood the music better, I listened to the album and loved it just like all of her others. I remember finding out that it was considered a "flop" and being in pure shock. Honestly 2013 was a bad year for Gaga, for reasons that aren't necessarily her fault. She broke her hip, had a psychotic break, had troubles behind the scenes, betrayal, a "flop" (not really) album, and overall she was depressed (and more). I'm so happy that she is at a better place now. :)
To me.. All of this happened maybe because of Lady Gaga didn't release the music video for Do What U Want and taking long break to release G.U.Y Music Video while the hype already gone. Plus she didn't release Swine, Manicure and Gypsy as her single. This songs have a potential to be Lady Gaga hits singles. But like you said... ARTPOP wasn't flop, I love ARTPOP and everyone love ARTPOP. I think this Album is BOP and the world just wasn't ready for this kind of art! #JusticeForARTPOP
Yes! Swine, MANiCURE, and Gypsy should have been singles! They’re so good!
Dope or Gypsy should’ve been the very last single of this era.
no bitch “Gypsy” was planned to be the last single from ARTPOP but since “G.U.Y.” underperformed they scrapped it 😭😭
i feel like her new album lg6 is going to be a big success #sheisCOMING
Oh, absolutely! I have no doubt about it!
I do too, album to start 2020
@@SombR3ro Yes!!
I can't wait for it to be honest, isn't she working with the producer Sophie also for the new album? A Gaga for a new decade 😍 x
:)
Artpop was Gaga's best album by far. It was amazing. Every single song on that album was a fucking HIT. It was such a wonderful sound that I enjoyed.
Still glad artpop is finally getting ATLEAST some recognition it deserved
Art pop is my favorite Gaga album. It’s the only one that I actually listen through all the way most of the time
That's awesome! I love listening to entire albums all the way through. It really gives you a sense of the entire record - it's such an experience!
I started listening to Gaga with ArtPop. I was 13 and just starting to get into Pop Culture. If it wasn’t for this album I don’t know what kind of person I would be. This album shaped me into who I am at my core!! I mean, ArtPop, Gypsy, Fashion and every other song?!?!!!!
ARTPOP was both a very creative and chaotic time in Lady Gaga’s life. I do feel it was ahead of its time. But in the end it became a statement to pop culture and became this electrical masterpiece. I love this album and always will. ARTPOP Forever! 🔵💜 #ARTPOP #ARTPOPACT2 #LadyGaga
Its so sad because Artpop to me is hands down her best album and the tour was PHENOMENAL. The visuals, the fun vibes, the fan service (even letting people on stage all the time), it was just an amazing era we'll never get to see again
ARTPOP Will always be my favorite era❤️ if you listen to it now you wouldn't think that it's a 6 year old album 😭
Yes! I love when you can listen to a record and it just seems 'timeless' :)
THIS, god damn i feel like if its release nowadays it would be bigger than it is already.
People love to talk shit about Artpop but, it's my favorite album, the promotion was just terrible and the single management was not great
ARTPOP is her greatest album yet! The ARTRAVE tour was the most amazing experience ever! I really wish she did ARTPOP act II. I've been there every tour and every album. No other has had such a tremendous impact in my life than ARTPOP. Joanne was to shut the critics up. LG 6 is coming though...hopefully she incorporates some of the ARTPOP era.
My favorite álbum!
This record was sooooo ahead of its time!!! that’s how it missed it’s mark. This album is so good!
Probably by Gaga's standards during that time, it seemed to "flop" (largely to be blamed on her label mismanagement even if dance pop was still the dominant genre during its time of release) and critics even took notice but it still ended up being one of the best-selling albums globally in its year of release so it wasn't really a loss on her part.
Especially when you realize that what followed ARTPOP were 3 consecutive Grammy-winning albums (and possibly a fourth straight one if CHROMATICA wins at least one of its 2 noms this year), and that historic awards season sweep during A Star Is Born era.
I love ARTPOP! It just was ahead of its time.
Not really, it was quite of its time with the production in my opinion
Nader Abed everyone has their own opinions
Another major component you're missing which tremendously added to the undermining of ARTPOP was Madonna and Perez Hilton.
With the Madonna comparisons and the "reductive" comment, Gaga became a huge target towards backslash, she couldn't post any photo or video without anyone making some strained comparison. Madonna continued to lead the Gaga hate trend with her Express Yourself/ Born This Way/ She's Not Me diss at her MDNA tour which the media ate up. (Personally, I think Madonna shiting on Gaga was a publicity tactic to get her spotlight since she just put out MDNA. Madge has been in the industry for years and she knows how to get buzz whether it be controversial media tactics and she used Gaga because she was the "New Madonna" although she is wayyyyy much more than her)
Perez and Gaga were very close friends since '08 but it wasn't until she appeared on his 2011 reality show "Perez Hilton Super Fan" that their relationship turned sour. Gaga explained on the Howard Stern show in 2013 that he was asking super rude and personal questions about her relationship life, was being very negative about Born This Way and when Gaga got angry and emotional he told his camera crew to continue rolling while she was in tears. It wasn't until Tara Savelo stepped in and shut it down. He apologized but Gaga stopped hanging out with him and he got mad. Gaga also mentioned to Stern that she believes their falling out was rooted in Madonna (since Perez is a die hard Madonna fan). After that, Perez began to bully Gaga on his site criticizing her weight, relationships, mocking her music, fashion and fueled the Madonna comparisons even more. Oh and he started to stalk Gaga putting over 5 different offers on apartments on the same extract floor where Gaga lived with her sister and parents in NYC. (There is so much more, he is so fucking sick. the text message he sent her after her surgery?!?)
Worst of all, they got Gaga while she was down and defenseless when she broke her hip and was recovering. Fortunately, Gaga was able to persevere and managed to reinvent herself with Tony Bennett, ignore critics/tabloid gossip and she's been going up ever since. Those years as a little monster were exhausting (iykyk) but I'm happy she's happy now
ARTPOP is an amazing album. all the songs are bangers and so amazing. i don’t necessarily feel that it is a poetic journey (minus “Dope” and “Do What U Want”). she put so much work into it and it is super sad that people dismissed immediately. ARTPOP is my favorite album of all time so I praise Gaga for giving such an unique and extremely amazing album.
I agree with everything! As a little monster (since the beginning) I loved Artpop at its time but now i really understand this album. I remember that people didnt understand her and criticized her but still all of them sang to her hits and knew all her lyrics.. Since "a star is born" people finally see the true artist in her.
This is a great album. It’s production just isn’t suited for mainstream pop and that’s ok the music is about quality not about the charts
I love Gaga, I saw ARTPOP live and she was Phenomenal. The vocals and stage presence was exceptional. However I do believe ARTPOP was to advanced and non relatable for GP.
That's so cool! I've never gotten the chance to see Gaga live, but her performances are always exceptional! And I think you're spot on, ARTPOP didn't have much 'relatibilty' to most general audiences, which may have been why some didn't like the record. Nonetheless, it's still a good record!
this is a great video, you did a good job at staying neutral with explaining the albums performance however you did miss out a decent amount of details that, if you're not a big follower of gaga then i don't blame you for not knowing, also contributed to chaos of ARTPOP but as i said, this a really well done video :)
TL;DR - i wrote a little essay about the doom of ARTPOP which was way more than just underperforming singles and complicated concepts. a lot of built of tension finally exploded and the effects were spread all over ARTPOP starting from before the album was even announced. most of it can't be confirmed either due to legal reasons or because everyone just wants to move on but essentially it ranged from the media to the toxic fans to those she considered family all coming together at the worst time possible which gaga tended to stay silent about (and has rarely opened up since, one instance being her Zane interview in 2016 where she discusses addiction, PTSD and mental illness during this time). full essay below:
1) Her ex-manager Troy Carter: We don't know the whole story since gaga is not legally allowed to discuss it (so it must be awful...) but we do know is that they clearly had huge tension between them dating back to her hip injury. She was due to start ARTPOP right after the BTWB ended in the first half of 2013 however she had to cancel the rest of the tour due to serious hip injury that required surgery and months of recovery aka the infamous blackout. There's heavy speculation that Troy urged her back on her feet as soon as she possibly could to begin the era and I think gaga explained during that time, a lot of people she considered friends and family turned their back on her during her lowest.
Another sign of tension between Troy and/or her label was when she leaked a demo of Aura in August 2013 herself out of frustration because she intended it to be the lead single but clearly lost the battle. In the end, this all came to a close on ARTPOP's release day when news broke that Troy and Gaga had split to which we still don't know who left who but the most gaga said is 'my partner/friend left me'. On the day she found out, she performed a very emotional version of Dope for some TH-cam awards where she cried during the whole number.
2) The label's lack of support: I'll try and keep this short after that massive Troy essay but essentially, gaga and her label have always butted heads when it came to single choices, cover art, tracklists etc. But it's clear gaga reached peak frustration when she leaked Aura (which broke the record for most searched thing on Google in 10 minutes). The singles in this era were constantly changing, starting with Venus and its confirmed video to DWUW being promoted from promo single to official single, Applause replacing Aura as the lead and rumours of Gypsy being the 4th single but the label fully stopped supporting the album campaign before G.U.Y meaning gaga funded the whole video out of her own pocket.
3) The app and other cancelled projects: The infamous yet precious ARTPOP app was intended to be a creative hub for everyone and gaga had big plans to release demos, stems and all sorts through the app for anybody to use and make art with. Sadly we never got past the GIF maker tool which was there upon release and when the timers for the next sections reached 0, gaga put out a vague but sad tweet telling fans not to get too excited and the app is just the beginning.
During 2012/early 2013 gaga did a LOT of hyping amongst her fans with plans to create a visual for each song on the record, tweeting all kinds of lyrics and song titles, creating a second volume of ARTPOP known as Act 2/ACT II, describing the album as The Fame Monster's techno rave sister and jokingly the "album of the millennium" so she really made it out that ARTPOP was going to have a lot to enjoy and play with. Nobody knows how or why everything changed between pre-hip accident to Applause release but fans point their fingers toward Troy and the label for trying to stay commercial instead of experimental.
4) Her fanbase: Obviously gaga still has and even had back then a strong force of a fanbase but as soon as things turned openly sour, the entire ARTPOP era weeded out tonnes of fans who felt they couldn't stick around due to the lack of smashing chart hits. Those who turned their backs essentially added fuel to the anti-gaga media storm, using social media to voice their hate and shadey opinions just because gaga wasn't doing Born This Way numbers. This clearly hurt gaga because gaga has always gone the extra mile for her fans by using her celebrity status as a political figure, giving fans lots of chances to interact with her, allowing gifts to be thrown on stage and even bringing multiple fans onstage and backstage. Once the hateful ones got loud, she felt very betrayed and stayed very silent during the ARTPOP era, likely in fear of creating even more hate.
5) Angela Cheng and the media: If you're a huge gaga follower then this name will make you see red. There's a lot to explain about the Angela Cheng conspiracy so BuzzFeed summed it up nicely in 2015: www.buzzfeed.com/mylestanzer/lady-gagas-biggest-haters-wont-reveal-who-they-are-or-go-awa#.pwg6VqDqb
Angela played too much of a role in media's unfair assault on gaga. Gaga really could not catch a break from comments about her weight and looks to constant slamming of ARTPOP and it's performance as if debuting at #1 was a bad thing.
So as you can see, whilst your very informative video did help explain some of the ropes that pulled ARTPOP apart, there's a tonne of extra turmoil below the surface level that only big gaga fans or pop stans know about. ARTPOP between the cracks is a hard era to discuss because it's a lot of rumours and drama that nobody really wants to confirm since it was so bad. Thanks for reading if you made it this far lol
Wow! I didn't know any of this!! Thank you so much for sharing, I might even make another video that goes more in depth on the ARTPOP era with this information. And you're right - I love Gaga but am not a huge fan, so I don't know many of the ins and out of her career. These details add so much to this era and the complications that went on during it. Thank you for taking the time to type all this out for me, it's so informative and very eye opening! Thank you for watching as well.
@@popdissected4400 Since we're on the topic, I'd just like to add that Gaga dealt with severe depression after her hip broke and throughout this era, which if I remember correctly, she didn't get therapy for yet. It also resulted in her weed addiction, which she wrote Dope about. Originally Dope was a song aimed at fans called I Wanna Be With You but since her label saw it as a great opportunity to use it for sales (I don't remember the exact wording), she replaced it with the very raw ballad that is Dope. (Howard Stern 2013)
And then there's also the undiagnosed PTSD that she dealt with at the time, that we only really learned about a few years later. If I remember correctly it was triggered around this time because her rapist tried to contact her or something along those lines (she mentioned this in a press conference about her song Til It Happens To You), which I believe prompted her to write Swine. I also believe it had something to do with the "twisted thinking" she's mentioned about believing R.Kelly and thus working with him but that is just a theory that I can not prove.
And the last thing I remember pretty vividly (I haven't rechecked it tho) is Applause actually being leaked on the same day as Roar was released, causing a surprise release, which started that whole debate in the first place.
The fact that she performed mostly demos of her songs at the iTunes Festival before the album release hints at the fact that the promotion really was very rushed at that point -> mismanagement.
In conclusion, there were so many messy things going on during this era that distracted from the album itself by causing bad press that one could probably write a whole book about it. That being said, I'm very excited to see how you will analyze these things if you do decide to make another video and again, you did and are doing a great job :)
I’ll be one to admit as a little Monster I didn’t like ARTPOP during its initial release. But looking back now i do miss it! Now I can appreciate it for what it’s worth. I think a lot of people don’t like an album during its release but when it’s all said and done and a new era is on the way they look back and think it really was an amazing album and time. I do have to say if not for the ARTPOP era she would have quit the music industry after because of all the hate towards the album (and her manager left during a one of the most Crucial times in her life when she was at an all time low) not to mention she was so tired of giving it her all and having it thrown back at her like a bone to a dog.
I LOOOOOVED ARTPOP I think this era was messy due to her lack of creative control she had and many unexpected moments. I literally heard ARTPOP again Monday after not hearing it for a while and it’s still ahead of its time. The only song I don’t like really is Jewels and Drugs but other than that there’s no skips
It's still a great album and my fav.
Yes it is!
In an alternate dimension the Christina Aguilera version of Do What You Want was chosen over the R.Smelly one 🥴🥴🥴
We all need to go to that alternate dimension now.
This is a really interesting video. After watching the one on Katy's Witness era I do wish this one had also dived more into the backgrounds of what was going on with Gaga during this time such as her depression, weed addiction, undiagnosed PTSD, departure from her manager and the general mismanagement of the era (lots of unfulfilled promises) and her rebellious attitude when her label tried to put her into a box. I do feel like all of these things added to the bad reputation and/or press that happened during this era. Either way, I do appreciate this video very much because of how unbiased and factual it is and ARTPOP is one of my favorite albums of all time. So thank you for creating this video on it :) I enjoyed it very much
I want LG6 (lady gaga's upcoming album) to have the same creative approach or at least the same 'experimental' feel to this album now that she works with people she loves and is in one of the best times of her life after a star is born.
Artpop is her best record to me. He failed to mentioned how songs that weren't even singles saw the top ten and twenty of the Hot 100 chart, one of them being "Dope" which is in my opinion her most powerful song to date. Gypsy was brilliant as well. Fun is the perfect word to describe Artpop. Anyone saying it is a flop is not aware of how Billboard and RIAA works. The album was a success and this is a fact.
I do only mention singles, but with that brought up, it's probably a good idea to mention non-singles and their performance as well! And yes, "ARTPOP" was indeed a success despite many claiming it was the 'end' of Gaga's career.
Her best album, Aura stated “dance, sex, art, pop, tech” and artpop sells all this in amazing songs.
Beyond the music, I feel as if Gaga herself was not in the state to release a new album. She just recovered from her hip injury, she also had a negative mindset going into Artpop because of the media attacking her for things like weight gain. In addition, some "friends" and people she trusted from the beginning of her career started leaving her behind which also greatly hurt her. From The Fame to Born This Way, she was going strong but by her 5th year, she should've took a break with the hip injury should've been a huge sign for her.
I imagine a timeline where Gaga took a break and rebuilt her mental health and came back strong for late 2014. She would've released a better and more complete ARTPOP which would've been managed better and probably would've been much more successful.
Oh, very good point you bring up! She was the target of SO many people because of her weight, and has been throughout her career. That's just so mean spirited for people to comment on that.
Gaga is such a chameleon! Artpop to me is no flop... the only disappointment was that there wasn’t more videos 😭.Each album Gaga flawlessly shows us a different side of her while still seeming genuine.Gaga and Beyoncé are perfectionist the two best from their generations!
Ans this doesn’t even dip into all of the personal struggles , and struggles with her label she was having at the time. She had such a huge vision for artpop, and it truly could’ve been something groundbreaking. I guess it’s just one of those “wrong place at the wrong time” situations #JusticeForARTPOP
Flop or not gaga was able to bounce back and her career right now is sky rocketing and im loving the fact she’s doing other projects such as star is born. While i adore artpop and honestly prefer gaga’s pop songs to her country albums its nice to see her having control of her art and doing what she wants.
Yes! It's amazing despite everyone calling her a "flop", she rocketed to new heights! And even if people branded her as "over", her sales and tour never suffered honestly. And yes, it's so important to see artists be creatively free and just living their best life!
I've always loved Artpop, since day 1, it has a special place in my heart 💖 Thanks for the video btw, very well done! I hope you'll make one on Joanne too :)
Dope is such an intense and solid track on this album. Too bad Red Flame didn't make the cut. It was such a good fit for this album.
VENUS my *most* favourite song from ARTPOP
I love it too!
I think with this album she truly was inspired by the art pop genre and experimental music. While it may not be as experimental as artists like Björk, it definitely was not the most radio friendly songs. The single choices could’ve been better for sure. I also think people calling this album shallow was false because I personally think she was more introspective and personal on this one a bit more than Born this Way.
Love the video. Your channel is growing from just last night! This channel is going to be huge! Good work.
Thank you so much, and thank you for watching! You're amazing!
Great video. I never thought of the back half of 2013 like that. But that’s super interesting to think about
Artpop was ahead of her time! it embraced sexuality more than any of her albums had before, and that turned a lot of the general public away from it. They saw it as too outlandish, but it’s her best album!
Good point! I think the "outlandish" nature of it did turn people off, but I'm glad you believe it's one of her best records! Definitely ahead of its time.
A contributing factor was that the musical landscape had changed drastically in the space of time from when she recorded it to when it got released.
Yeah 2012's pop was full of EMD and Dubstep but 2013's pop turned into trap and hip hop
Great video all oppinions are on point I really do love ARTPOP its my over played album in my library its just that in this era the label mishandled Gaga
I agree. Most "flops" are a result of label mismanagement and flawed promotional techniques / single rollout.
This is the second video I watch on your channel. Your analysis is so informative, and mature. Thank you for that.
Thank you!!!!