Rekordbox Vs Mixed In Key
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So how important is mixing in key and should you use the Rekordbox inbuilt key analyses or the camelot system by mixed in key?
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I always priortize the song that pops in to my head over Key mixing, but really helps when i dont know what to play
Trusting your gut with music choices sometimes works surprisingly good in the sets. Either that or my crowd was super drunk at that point already 😂
That’s crazy - I arrived individually to the conclusion that +5 works just as well as +7 since it’s a circular system with a range of 12 pitches. I’m glad you mentioned it! It’s been so helpful in allowing for more options while maintaining harmonic compatibility.
yeah guys, because it's a perfect 5th & perfect 7th!
@@MasterKaosMusicNo such thing as a perfect 7th. Doing +/- 5 or 7 shifts just the key by a semitone.
Been trying out the +7 +2 -5 after watching this and it's been a lifesaver. Thank you
I literally just bought mixed in key an hour ago, and then I see this upload haha what a coincidence! Keep up the good work Andrew, learning a lot from the course.
Hi will is MIK 10 key detection better than 8.5. I'm wondering whether its worth to upgrade
“Here’s the thing” your videos are amazing 🤩
Just a little helpful tip to add on to what you said, make Smart Crates that show the key (+ - 2, 5, 7 keys) & Bpm (+ - 10 Bpm).
But always try your ears, bc there are always exceptions to every rule.
Another cracking tutorial, simply explained. I've made some mediocre mixes terrible with key mismatches (vinyl mainly), so doing this through the software will not only help with that, but will make my playlist selection a lot easier.. Keep up the great work dude
I love mixing in key!!! I love jumping around de Camelot wheel!
Great video, helped me wrapped my head around the numerical values. I use a kaosillator to add samples and beats to my mixes and generally stick with the letter values as its easy to find the right key in the Koassilotor to play with.
10:37 - "That circle of fisting actually goes way deeper" ...
well ok then
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No problem 👍
@@ClubReadyDJSchool last night I tried to "tick the master box" to enable that cool feature you showed us. I don't seem to have one to click on in the first place. Is this something I need to enable in preferences? For clarity- Yes, I'm using Rekordbox.
Thanks again, mate. You're a legend!
Great attitude. Love your videos makes dj fun and not all complicated.
Thank you so much for another great video. You’ve made something that can be so complicated much easier to understand! 😁
I agree! Thank you. 💕
Hey Andrew it’s Michael
Thanks for great vid!!
Keep up the awesome work!
That mixing in Key 🔑 sometimes is a terrible dilemma!!
Meaning do I play the banger
oh wait can’t it’s not in key haha
This is for me the most difficult part of job to balance the keys,
and keep the energy, plus bangers, plus requests simultaneously where there are seconds to react… Man talk about multi tasking
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Another movement on the wheel which works really well is going B->A whilst adding one - e.g. 3B->4A or 7B->8A or doing it the other way round from A->B whilst subtracting one - e.g. 6A->5B or 11A->10B as again, notes in those diagonal major / minor scales work well together. You can't however do the diagonal the other way round though, the outer Major 'B' track always has to be 1 less than the inner Minor 'A' track.
Yes you're right I also love that one!
Thanks for sharing this one, I've studied the MIK website a lot years ago and knew of +2, 5 7 I'm not as sure these steps works as well in reverse though? Also when going from Major to minor you can deduct 3 then go to the inner wheel. So 6B to 3A or 2B to 11A.
From analyzing a lot of sets I listen to and in my own experience, -3 (+3 semitones) works very well too
Thanks Ethan, I always knew +9 was ok (which is minus 3) and found +3 to work sometimes better than others. You're the man! Thanks for tuning in
It sort of seems to follow the same patterns of chords etc by adding 7th, 9th and so on?
This is great thank you!!!I feel like this is a super secret lesson for lucky students
I like the Serato feature that lets you change the key of songs😅 makes it pretty simple
so dose others like rekordbox also
Traktor too
Loving the vids, of all the tube tutorials I seem to be able to relate to your vids the most. Thank you
I mix in key / harmonicaly where possible, but I'm not a slave to the wheel as there are other factors, more importantly it has to sound right IMHO
Great info Andrew, i also go into Preferences in Rekordbox under CDJ & Device check 'Key' is selected in the Active Sort options so when im searching playlists for the next track, on the display next to the list of tracks the Key will be Green on all harmonically compatible tracks to the one im playing on the Deck , like in Rekordbox environment in the video
Sorry i should have been clearer to check it in the software to use on the hardware
Awesome explanatory video - I've been mixing in key, but only moving one space...straight to the decks to try it out
Amazing golden tips. I'll know what to do tomorrow. I am listening music for 6 hours per day straight while I am working. Some days I am not vibing with any tracks and some days I am, adding loads of them to my playlist. It is quite a handful to keep a nice overview and get used to all of the tracks. What is a nice maximum number per folder? I am, having folders (categorized by "what should I play in different scenario's" , meaning sunset vibes, pool party, light funky house, late night tunes to darker techno) with 100+ tracks and I am afraid that some tracks will be forgotten this way. Love to hear some suggestions!
Instantly changed my Rekordbox settings and jumps of 2 and 5 work like a charm 👍
Glad you found the video helpful :)
Do you mean it's possible to change Rb settings to highlight +2, +5 as well as the usual +1?
Thanks again for the great tip +5. So you can -3, -1/ +1, +2, +5, +7. Alsow find changing one numer and a letter forwards works. For example 5a to 6b ore 6a to 7b. I discovered I like songs more in 7a.
I tend to +2 often. I may +7 once in a set, usually not more than twice.
I use VDJ 2021 for all of my prep work then the Denon Prime 4 for gigs. I've had MiK for about 12 years but these days I'm trying to shorten my workflow and quash so many of these packages that are multifunction and just taking up space/using time.
First off - I've watched a few of your videos and they are super helpful as Rekordbox is totally new to me! As someone who's coming back to DJing from more than a decade away from it (Mixed in Key just came out at the end of when I left a decade ago), there's no substitute for training your ear (but Mixed in Key is def a hell of a substitute!). I'm doing much more producing and learning to play piano as well as in depth music theory training and what's going on at the end of the day whether it's +2, +5, +7 mixing is whether or not there are dissonant (clashing) notes being played between the tracks you are mixing together. That is, are there notes a half step away from each other causing a dissonant sound to the ear. Here's why a mix that "shouldn't work" actually does sound pleasing... If you're mixing +5 let's say, and you're mixing out of one track and the only harmonic element is a 3 note bassline with the notes C, F, and G and the track you're mixing into has those three notes in the scale, then the mix will sound perfectly harmonically in tune. If the bassline then adds a 4th note of G# which isn't in the next track's scale, that's where dissonance is suddenly introduced. Obviously it's ridiculous to think you can figure this out for every track you're going to play as a DJ which is why, at the end of the day you want to just train your ear so you can pick up on when stuff is fitting together well.
I am comparing the camelot wheel to a color wheel. +/- 1 would be the harmonic colors. The colors at the exact opposite of the wheel are the complimentary colors and suit nicely as well. In the carmelot wheel the "complimentary color/in this case key" would be +/- 6. So I am wondering why it's not +/- 6 (instead of 7 or 5)?! Would be curious what you think about it.
PS: I absolutely love and enjoy your course :)
Wow, I seriously didn't know this, thanks!
Also check out my indepth key analysis comparison (and why Mixed In Key is better than rekordbox or any other app out there):
www.reddit.com/r/DJs/comments/hwlzyt/key_detection_comparison_2020/
Bonus! MIK 10 vs 8.5 compared = www.reddit.com/r/DJs/comments/n5byah/key_detection_comparison_mixed_in_key_10_vs_85/
Great video thanks 👍😎
I got great results from a -4 today hahaha. Sounded really cool
Great video man, I found it really useful
i also think +3 (or-3) and going to from A to B (or B to A) also works nicely in techno for instance because you keep the root and only switch from lets say Gminor to Gmajor, which also brings a cool mood change.
Cool, cool. Thanks🙏
Hi, the pioneer cdj3000 has a more advanced harmonic mixing system built in that incorporates more varations, than previous, perhaps you could do a video about that?
Great tip about +2/5/7, I had never head about that before!
Other than that, I thought you'd be comparing the accuracy of rekordbox vs mixed in key, at least the title kinda suggests it. It'd be cool to get such a comparison!
Haha you're right, sorry I should be more careful with my titles
Thx it helped me to understand !!!!
in theory when you go +5 or +7 you shift your scale by a semitone which would sound terrible when mixed together. however if you then would go up a semitone (with +5) you would end up in the same scale
Great video , learnt something new cheers !
Great video ! 🤟🏻
What do you do when the mixed in key result is different than what rekordbox analyzed the key to be?
I use the +2 or +7 sometimes, or its -7 or -2 counterpart. It can be pulled off if the track you're fading into has a minimal instrumentation (drums / percussion and maybe a simple bassline). I always refer to this technique as "jump" Example: I"m playing a track in 12A and I have a track in 7A that I like and the 7A track has a minimal intro (drum loop, maybe a bassline that comes in by bar 4 or 8). If not, the two track may clash. I refer to that as a "jump 7". The Camelot wheel is nice but for me, it's not the be all, end all. There are times where I go by vibe / feel and that can at times take precedence over the Camelot wheel.
Love your work Andrew 🙏🤙🏽
Thank you 🙌
Tq
Sometimes I find they're both off or at least don't correlate to the key from Beatport
Hello everybody. I want to show my keys on my laptop screan on rekordbox .how do I select all the tracks 1:13 🙂
Amazing! How could I compare in parallel the key and bpm analysis of Rekordbox and the key and bpm analysis of Mixed in key in Rekordbox?
Is it possible to have the information in separate tags but visible at the same time?
( How did you do for putting the MIK key info in the comment section of Rekordbox )
Thank you for your answers ! That would help me a lot!
Thanks
What do you think about analysis accuracy? Mixed in Key vs RekordBox?
I have rarely experienced issues - just the odd track here and there
Genuinely curious (not trolling) - why is there all this controversy over Sync, and not about this program? To me, they both take out the need for DJs to learn the musical skills of... being a DJ (?). And it takes out all the fun tbh. Being able to hear all of this by ear, knowing your tracks intimately, hearing what naturally follows musically as the next track, is just as important as being able to stay in time and beat match by ear, if your aim is to be a professional. I'm surprised because Andrew quite rightly says in the course that every DJ should learn beat matching by ear (ie, zero grid, zero BPM display), and I agree. You'd want all the skills to be able to play a set with no screen displays, ultimately. Isn't this software basically the melodic version of hitting a sync button?
Amazing video
mine does not ligth up green showing similar in key. Did i miss a step?
Nice video.
Do you know this app called DJ toolkit.
It also has a Camelot wheel and gives you quite some options.
I have been experimenting and it's actually pretty good.
Each Camelot step is one note different!!! Major(A) minor(B) just starts on a different note in the same scale!!
Mixing in key is a must when your are layering. But don't let it limit you on track selection. If the current track ends with only kicks and snares, bring in the new tracks with only kicks and snares
Hi Andrew. How is rekordbox nowadays?? I decided to stop using it after two years when version 6 dropped. Didn't agree with the subscription change especially when I lost some of the effects that I had purchased. I do miss the ability to grid songs out perfectly though as rekordbox does this really well imo especially compared to vdj (which I can't understand how they haven't perfected this after twenty plus years of experience building the software) VDJ and stems have allowed my creativity to really enter a new level and I love the massive amount of options they provide to really dial in everything they way you want.
Mixed in key is a mixed bag for me. I need to update to version 10 when I get a chance. Hopefully they have improved it...
Shout out from the Midwest 🇺🇸. ✌️
I have always gravitated around Serato / RB mainly though cause I was playing in clubs and Pioneer was in every club
Nice 👍
so, why would you buy mixing in key when its free with recordbox?. The only thing i can think of is that it only does the songs in your collection and not your pendrive? am i right?:)
love ur vids
I'm curious what are your thoughts on the MIK - "Energy" option ?
THIS. Would like to know Andrew's thoughts about it as well. Thinking about purchasing MIK for this feature alone.
@@JStarNewYrk Yea it's the only reason I'm interested too
I don't really use it :(
Im not to thrilled with the Energy feature. Mixing trance some tracks seem to make a massive drop yet the energy said its high energy. I would just rely on your ear for energy. Sound alone will guide you but dont waste your money just for that feature.
@@msader223 thx
There are lots of tracks out there that mix well that aren’t in key. I’m not taking dropping on the one. If it mixes well slow transitions are good, if it clashes fast transitions, if it’s a hot track request tease it a bit and let it launch.
Key isn’t as important as people think. It’s good to mix in key but being creative is the ultimate goal in spinning tracks.
You can mix a 2A to 6A of two different genres. Track selection and specific order of play is key.
I use Mixed in Key but only use it for mor accurate key identification. The Cues it sets may be ok to use for being but usually we want to change them from event to event.
I will say the Energy Levels are questionable. When you hear a track and it gives you an inspirational feeling it’s a good track. Computers will never replace people or the craft of spinning tracks.
As always 👍🤟 to you Andrew.
Well said :)
Is it possible to change the letter key to alphanumeric in the CDJ?
If mixing from an outro into a track's intro, when it's primarily the rhythm of the two tracks, and maybe a bass line transition, is mixing in key as important as when more is "happening" in the two tracks?
Hey Andrew thank you very much for this upload! Never knew about +5 but I am also curious what you and other people think about minus 2 (or +10 same thing) ? I tried -2 which personally for me seems to work and I think that would be logical since if you go say from 7A to 9A and it should work the other way around.
I find sometimes it works better than others, I guess experiment but again track selection is key!
I’ve reanalysed my tracks in rekordbox and some tracks still show no key.I bought most through iTunes so not sure why it’s inconsistent.Any suggestions guys?
4:29 Let's talk like normal musicians and you are in Dm, then of course Am and Gm are next to it and F is the equivalent major. The latter is just something every musician should know.
Dm and F uses all the same notes.
As does G Dorian. But well, 99 % of dance tunes are in major or minor. And A# Lydian would 7C by the way: so happy.
Let's be honest. if you're likely to face another mode, it will be Mixolydian, so in the case of F that will be C mixolydian. Call it 7Z if you like: it has to go on the other side of D minor.
Hi
Were your videos about setting cue points???
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Vs Serato? :)
Does serato dj pro have key compatible? Like in rekord box. Makes it simple to find compatible music
Yes they have inbuilt key analyses with Serato Pro just display the key field
Can you go -2, -5 and -7 as well? Does it work the same?
try it, it usually works
Sorry sir I can’t make hot cue at rekordbox
Having a little issue if anyone can help please.keys showing in my collection but not elsewhere on playlists,what’s wrong ?
While in playlist, right click on the bar where it’s written “title”, “song name” “time”, etc. and check “key” also (and / or whatever else you want to be visible)
@@DJ-Dorian Thankyou,all sorted now
I hope DJ prince has been payed a lot for his Camelot system that he invented!
What version of rekordbox is that? 5.8.6?
I think so
does it show the same Key Analisis in thethe CDJ's?
Yes, just go into the USB settings, I may have to do a video on this
@@ClubReadyDJSchool please, it could help a lot!! 🙏🏽❤️
Great question
Anyone find that mixed in key cant analyze some tracks?
Yes I have experienced that, you'd have to ask Mixed In Key if you wanted to know why, I am not sure :/
I don't understand why you couldn't minus 7 if you can plus 7? If steps are the same then why would it matter which way you're going?
Also, it pays to realize Rekordbox' analysis of keys is markedly worse than Mixed In Key. Even though it can now display the keys in the same way MIK does, its accuracy leaves to be desired and if you want to be sure, buy the software. Unless this has recently changed, but as far as I'm aware they have been arguing for years figuring out a royalty deal so I don't expect MIK to be fully integrated into RB like it is in Serato
you can always try. you're totally right, that, if the steps are the same, it has to work both ways. and harmonically (music-theoretically) it does. but you will often notice that the tracks are transporting another mood or energy, which make them sound odd together
@@kdp.official Yeah I've been doing this ever since I got the program, of course the mood might chance but musically it's never really sounded wrong to my ears
Sup Andrew! i'm having trouble getting my actual tracks, i've been streaming off soundcloud but there's so much latency and i also need GOOD wifi, so there's that.. What do you recommend for getting tunes and building a library?
Thanks!
Perhaps check out some DJ pools and download your tracks instead of renting them (streaming)
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Mixed in key is more accurate than rekordbox
Use your ears.