Porsche 944 / 968 buying guide
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2018
- Famed as one of the best handling Porsches ever! Just a quick guide that might help should you be interested in a Porsche 944 or 968. One of the last "cheap' ways into porsche ownership!
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First, I like the video. Weird remark: Please take a look at savagegeese channel and take a look at his Giulia Quatroformaggio material or any other long one, it would be nice to understand technology under the car. I know very litttle about suspension.
I don't know about 968, but in 944.2 there is substantial amount of things to watch out for. I am quite busy, so I'll try go fast and don't miss any:
1. Gearbox! Bearings in these gearboxes are usually worn out and refurbishing gearbox is 3000$ and the problem is that most transmission shops can't do it right cause they don't have tools to set the ring and pinion correctly. There are old books how to do it correctly without these tools but it is very hard to do so.
2. Fuel lines, especially rubber. They need to be replaced they're quite costly, so I ordered custom ones in fire resistant sleeves and installed Blazecut passive extinguisher
3. Fuel pressure damper, it may leak fuel!
4. Old plastic injectors, they may leak..... fuel! : D
5. Targa roof, make sure that it does not leak.... water.
6. Exhaust fumes may enter cabin in many ways, rear hatch seals, gearbox boot, vents because of engine bay seal.
7. The body flexes and the hatch locks get old, hatch pins get worn out, make sure that you can always open the rear hatch, using a button but also a key and that hatch doesn't open on bumps.
8. Check for the rust under the rear spoiler near hatch locks and around windshield seal.
9. Aftermarket modern radio that looks great on 944,964,968,993? Continental TR7412 google it(graphics), fits like it's an OEM.
10. 968 has different timing system than 8V cars. In 8V cars I advise changing belts, wheels and tensioner every 20k km.
11. Checkout for play in the steering wheel, wiggle it!(car is off)
12. And general thing regarding old cars. When I bought mine I got winter set of Cup1 wheels, it had 20 and 17 years old tires on it, they looked and drove well, but I got rid of them right away and 255 and 225 17inch Continental tire set is not the cheapest thing ; ).
I am sure I missed a lot of stuff.
Thank you sir, very useful and I will pin this to the top so everyone can see your extra info!!
Love the 968 but in many ways I prefer the more box or old school shape of the 944 , great video as always Jack .
I have a 968 CS, identical to the yellow one in the video, however even I agree that the 944 shape has aged better....it really looks great.
The 944 may look better to some, but mechanically, the 968 was the superior machine.
968 is my main car. Incredible build quality. Fast and comfortable. manual coupe,with lsd and standard suspension. Just superb.
My heart is in fire when I see it. I have no better way to describe how much I love this model.
I find it so funny everyone hates the early 944 dash. I actually bought an 84 because I really wanted the classic yellow round guages. To me this is like driving a real classic sports car. Reminds me more of what you would see in a high end Ferrari
Love these videos, so down-to-earth, honest and unpretentious!
You are too kind Ian.. thanks for watching fella!!
I had a 924s for a few years and this was the entry level "944" at that time - though not necessarily the slowest variant. I agree that the galvanised body was a revelation for anyone used to maintaining cars from the '70s or '80s. The two points I would mention are 1. the seals on the oil to water cooler can fail leading to oil/water mixing which would be disasterous if not caught very quickly and fixed and 2. the fuel tank is a devil to remove as the rear transaxle has to come out. Early tanks were steel and can rust or perforate especially near the mounting strap. I would say the 3l 944 is the one to go for.
Great to be back excellent report.
The 924 through 968 are the most over looked in the Porsche line up.
Reminds me of the 1980's oil crisis when a new 924 turbo 2 litre turbo, was $50,000 Au dollars and a new 911 was $56,000au dollars. I wish we could buy a 911 gt2 for the price of a boxster. The good old days.
All the best.
really picked a 81 924 put euro spec pistions and got a intercooler from a mustang svo which oddly enough had german numbers on it and slight mod to it now mirrors factory its fun pulls well
Nice video, I owned a 968CS in this colour without the decals that I bought in 95 just a year old at the time and really enjoyed it.
Should have kept it, yellow 968 CS's are not cheap these days...
Great video. I've owned a '73 911 and two 944. I had over 240k miles on my first 1983 944. Rebuilt the original water pump for $35 instead of paying out the nose. I would recommend checking tightness of rear wheel bearings every couple months if its high milege and you drive it often. Although, my other IRS cars had same issue. The second 944 was going to the scrap yard because the guy was an idiot and would not take advice. I gave him scrap price ($300) and I gave the car to my nephew. It runs great and he's been driving it for five years. I'm looking for a low mileage turbo but I'm considering a 968.
Thanks for all great vids with great people you made wish all the best
Very kind of you to say Ali, thanks for watching
I bought a 94 with 17k miles on it, owned it for 8 years and e every one of the items that you mentioned did break during my tenure. Was in the shoppe a lot. Loved the car despite the problems. The seating position was perfect and the 993 seats the best I've ever used.
That yellow Porsche is as sunrise, beautiful.
944 is a car you should have purchased ten years ago , when it was on nobody's list and pretty cheap. but I didn't like it back then and i've always been a 911 fan
Yep.. they were quite cheap around 6-8 years ago..
that's why I bought one this year, now or never
I think the Turbo should have got a bigger mention, other than watching out for oil leaks from the turbo. A good one is a very potent point-to-point car, and I would argue is a better proposition to the 3litre N/A S2, where the engine is a touch bland (to my ears)
Yes I think you’re right.. should have included more info on that!!
Nik Wilson I own a turbo road car and a S2 race car. The turbo was a huge money pit when I first got it. Then I just bit the bullet and bullprinted the engine, redid the suspension, a refresh paint job and interior and now it’s a highway demon and totally bullet proof. The turbo is such a fun road car, but the S2 on a tight B road is a gem too with not a lot in it. Both are very very under rated and good cars.
@@gerryk9025 ...great feedback on what I'm trying to decide: turbo or 968.
As below the 944T didn't get much of a mention, other than oil from turbo. I had no issues with the turbo at 100K, but is more about regular oil changes. Porsche pioneered using water cooling on the turbo to extend life and hardening liners and valve seats. The early cars were driven around the globe as a PR exercise on original engines well above 250K miles - for 80s engineering on a performance car was pretty outstanding. The turbo used a 2.5ltr engine and with the later models having a larger turbo. De-tuned engines to speciifically under perfom with the 911 platform. In my view was a league above the 911 of the period with a well sorted 50/50 weight distribution on good suspension and brakes. Prices though for a good turbo have susequently gone skyward. There was a limited number of 968T (8 produced I believe), extremly rare if you can find one. I prefer the 944 for looks with a nod to the 924GT cars.
Thanks for the extra info!! Love a 944 too
Seriously...you write extremely well.
by today i think the earlier dash looks way better on the 944, it suites the exterior more
You don't need to take out the whole dash to have the odometer fixed. You can remove the instrument unit separately.
You have a good link to a video or instructions on how to do this?
Still miss my 924.....Best handling GTi I have ever driven.... Light, Fast, fun, nimble,,,,,,,,,,Yes, very underrated!
I did like the S I drove a while ago!!!
@@Number27 you mean MY 924S? 😁😁
I love the 968, the last transaxle of Porsche and the best PMA
Tienes razón tío!!!! Como estas?
muy bien :) a ver si te veo que en verdad se te echa de menos :) nos lo pasabamos muy bien hablando de coches que tal estas?
@@jacoboalbeda-pierarodrigue728 al final te escuché, compré un cuarto Porsche... Escríbeme anda!
I do own a 968 convertible and it is far from being bullet proof. Some parts won't exceed around 80.000 miles, like the transaxle for instance, and can hardly be ordered at any Porsche dealers, so you end up mounting lots of 2nd hand parts on your beloved car, whether you like it or not...
Thanks for sharing Stephane!
Stéphane Edouard • H d'INFLUENCE you’re screwing yourself and it’s completely foolish to order parts from a dealer for a classic car.
You should have mentioned problems with cracked firewalls and noisy pinion bearings. This is well known issues which can be very frustrating and costly.
Yes but these are not common issues.
Great feature - please do the same for other popular sports cars
Thank you sir.. will do my best!!
It’s more a question of availability- 944s are available at about a 10 to 1 ratio to the 968
Cheers mate
Can someone disclose the approx. costs of maintaining one of those starting with a mileage of about 130,000? They are still comparably cheap here but I'm afraid the maintenance costs put a nope to driving one
Thanks for that. One question: I’m looking at a 1986 NA and wondering what it would take to turn it into a turbo - is it a simple question of ordering the replacement engine from Porsche or as suspect, would mounts and bushings and suspension need changes as well?
Thanks very much again.
I would strongly suggest you do your research before even entertaining this idea. There are so many differences the cost would be astronomical. If you do want a turbo go and buy one. I know a lot of people in the USA are converting to a LS V8, which would be something you could consider if you have the spare cash and want more grunt. But honestly, the purity and fun of a NA as a momentum car is the fun and essence of them.
Gerry K Thanks, that’s the conclusion I reached as well. I’m seeing the higher-powered NA model is only about 170 pound-feet of torque compared to my stupid 2012 Golf with 236....I’ll drive the NA until the motor dies regardless but...hmmm.
acchaladka...the turbos have approximately 40 beefed up components over the non-turbos. Also, I met an accomplished chap who was street driving a dyno'd 400hp turbo.
Did I miss the part where you warned the prospective buyer to make sure the timing belt has been replaced??
Yes you did..
You need to be driven in one of these cars. Not sure again like the past review GTI vs 968, this is a reasonable comparison.
You got two cars with different engine location, cylinders and layout and as if by magic ..... you prefer the 911, that’s why a 964 is 35/40k and a 968 is half.
Look out for head gaskets, too.
Thank you!!
take a shot every time this guy said "yeah"
That’s my old car!! 👍
Just bought an S2 3 litre
As well as the rubber timing belt, the s2 has a cam chain driving the intake camshaft off the exhaust camshaft. Make sure you have the plastic guides on this chain replaced every 100,000 km. They get brittle with age and can fracture. When this happens the chain snaps and the intake valves collide with the pistons destroying the engine...a major disaster that you can avoid if you replace the plastic guides
@@charlesverge3707 She has been looked after but tin worm got to some parts. She is still in the garage chasing it but lovely and will still a star
Was curious and did a uk mot history on this - all public information and from what i saw 6 months later this car failed spectacularly with rust in the sills, suspension, oil leaks and everywhere else. When i'm on the market for these i'll be sure NOT to visit Phill Raby!!!
One needs to go through 75% of this video before getting an unobstructed view of the car at 4:00.
£3000 PER SIDE FOR THE SILL REPAIR???? Anyone prepared to pay that much to get theirs done, please step this way, as I've some top quality ice cubes going for £200 a kilo, and some of my dogs hair swept up from the floor for £50 an ounce!!!! There are an absolute TONNE of companies selling replacement sills for these cars (I've had my S2 Cabrio for nearly 17 years now - it's not a case of 'if', it's just a case of 'when'!), and it is NOT a difficult job to replace with any half respectable and decent bodyshop. Porsche colours from that era are also pretty much standard VAG fare (mine is just a standard black - cans of it in the VW rack in your local Halfords if you want to sort out some stonechips!), so no expensive, exotic paint to purchase either.
It was a nice video, as I always like to see something positive on my own Porker...... but that estimate to get the sills done is so far out of park - it's got snow on! ;)
Dude.. that was price generally quoted from decent independents including work to the rear suspension mounts.. I’m sure you could get it done for far less
I would be interested in the dog hair, if you still have it.
944 better because of pop up headlights. And circular dashboard gauges.
Buy a 951 and spend all your free time on it if you want an actually fast car. Buying guide over.
944 were made uo to 95....also look for a ventalator higher top speed stock than turbo..the 968 .look for the club Sport very few most end uo being track cars
Not to be a jerk, but do you also say nine one one? And why don’t you say porsha? I love your channel though.
Shame all the sados are fixated on the 911.... mostly they have not owned a 4 cyl transaxle.
They dont show the car from behind.. wtf
It was called the Club Sport because the dealership gave you a club with w Porsche logo on it. Most of the clubs are broken now as they were used as intended to bash windshields of cars who's drivers annoyed you in slow & go traffic.
It’s PORSCHE not PORSH .... you are making review about the car that you don’t even know how to pronounce,
Only the Germans pronounce it with an A at the end.. I’m not German and I’m not on Germany. Pedantic comment aside thanks for watching
If you are guys are going to do videos on PORSCHE'S , please learn to pronounce " PORSCHE " properly!!!! 😀😀😀 my wife has a 924s and I track my 951 , also we just got a REAL NICE 83 944 😁😁😁🚘🚘🚘🚘🍺🍺🍺🍺
It's a dog, never, never, absolutely never buy this car.
Me too!! Singers are getting a bit boring
Say what you really think Ed!! 🤣
@@Number27 I'll put it this way, if these cars sucked any worse they could perform fellatio better than Linda Lovelace. 😆
Hey, everyone. ..the party is over...Ed showed up. (No one likes Ed)