WHY I WENT BACK TO A 1990 PORSCHE 944 S2 | 2002 THEN AND NOW 2020
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- In this video we'll take a look at the new Pedal Loud fleet member the 1990 Porsche 944 S2. I talk through the rationale behind buying. A bit more about the story behind my original 944 and why I chose to buy this one now. More videos on the 944 will be coming soon including all the things wrong with this one, the history of the 944, a closer look at what's its really like and all the little jobs I'll be doing to make it even better.
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0:14 - Porsche 944 S2 reveal
0:33 - Emotional attachment explained
0:50 - History with previous 944s
1:00 - Reasons for repurchasing 944
2:01 - Driving the 944 S2
3:00 - Detailed reasons for purchase
4:00 - Choosing a modern classic
6:49 - Attributes liked in 944
8:54 - Decision against hibernating car
10:59 - Plans for using the 944
12:07 - Handling and performance praised
13:28 - Performance compared to modern cars
14:17 - Creature comforts highlighted - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Porsche There really is no substitute
944
#Str8UP
There really really isn’t! Thanks for watching.
U got a fans club we can send in our pics of our porsche 944
My 1987 944 N/A has only 68K miles in the original Guards red paint corrected by me at about 100 hours.
It looks and runs great and people love it at car shows. It is a real blast to drive.
Do you know what, it is so good to see these cars finally getting the respect they deserve. These cars saved Porsche from financial ruin back in the 80s. Their handling and driving feel are phenomenal, buid quality was top drawer and they look amazing even today. You're going to enjoy that S2 👍👍
Yeh. Agree totally. It's so nice to hear someone say that. Very underrated cars really. They really do get under your skin. Thanks for a lovely comment and for watching. Cheers.
The dream! Saving for this car right now! Soon!!
Oh wow! Brilliant. You'll get there I'm sure and it'll be worth it when you. There's more vids coming on this one, its not all be plain sailing. I documented the niggles that need fixing in another video and will do another update vid soon on how I'm getting on with the fixes! Stay tuned. Thanks for watching. Cheers.
I have a 944 2.7 8valve.the quality and design are just fantastic on these cars
Great cars indeed. Full of character you just don't get anymore. Thanks for watching.
The 2.7lt was so much ....hated at the time by the press and by those who wanted Porsche to go "upmarket".
Nice one I have 944 s and 928 s4 love them both
Wow nice! I think an 928 may just be in the future. How does the 928 compare to the 944? Thanks for watching.
Loved the video. Looking forward to many more in the future.
Thanks for watching. Yep, they'll be more to come. Cheers.
Wonderful car. I have owned a black turbo for 19 years and it definitely gets under your skin. The 944 dynamics are phenomenal and they are so naturally balanced. I had the option to buy a 911 back when I purchased the turbo, but I always felt the 944 was a better car. I also feel that they are absolutely stunning to look at. Good luck and welcome back to a great car.
Ha ha. Brilliant. Love it. This is so true. Such a very underrated classic. Which means more of a value for money car for the rest of us I suppose. There is no substitute as Porsche used to say! Thanks for wathing. Cheers.
Like your story!! I got my 1990 944 turbo in 2000, when I was 29 used it daily for about 9 years then it got neglected for sometime. It’s now been back on the road for a few years and just use it for fun! So glad I kept it 😎
Wow, that's brilliant. Love it. Great that you kept it. Good move. Great that its being used now as a fun car. Good job. Cheers.
Fantastic video! My dad’s owned the same all-original Red (with black interior) 944 S2 twice now haha. First in 2002 and then 2012 and owned ever since. Love the S2 👌🏻
Oh wow! Nice, I like when things like that happen. My Dad had a 968 back in the day, we drove to Le Mans in it in 2004 and a few other Porsche meets. He's now longer with us but a few years back I tracked down the last car he owned (a 996 cab) and bought it. I owned it a for while (vids on the channel) but in truth it was a bit of a nail so it had to go.
The S2 is a truly great all rounder. I'm trying to work through the niggles at the moment and a few project type vids are coming up going into detail on those fixes. Thanks for watching. Cheers.
I have a 83 manual steering 944. I call it my analog vehicle! Truly a joy to drive!
Oh they really are fabulous driving machines. Love it!
Great video! Thanks for your opinion on the S2! I'll be looking for an 80's (maybe a 70's) Porsche next year to drive around in and the 944 S2 is looking to be quite a great candidate! Cheers! 🍺🍺
Thank you. Good luck with your search.
Hi Damo Just love the 944 and S2s in particular, its my white coupe featured in the Hagerty article, my wife's red '91 was in the December 2020 Top Gear mag and we have a cobalt blue convertible too. :)
Love it, yes hope you didn't mind me using the screen grab from the article! It can only help with the PR and values around these great underrated cars. 20 years after buying my first S2 this one feels just the same. It's like coming home after being away for years!
just found your channel as i’m also an944 nut. bought one for my first car when i was 17 i’m now 39 and have the 944 turbo , also just purchased last of the 986 3.2 s .
love the video really good editing and good ideas.
looking forward to the next one on the 944
all the best
Daniel
Oh wow. Thank you. 944 as a first car is very good going. Pretty cool to have a turbo too! How's the 986? I did always hanker after the 3.2. I only got as far as putting the S Twist wheels on my first S2! Thanks for the comments, really appreciated. Couple more project update vids on the 944 will be coming very soon. Thanks for watching. Cheers.
yea i have to say, i am really enjoying the 986 i really am, it’s just a torquey nippy round the town type car , lots of low down torque so makes short journeys around town very pleasurable and a total different experience to my 944 turbo. just makes me wish i bought a 986 years ago! the flat six sound ever since i put in a k&n air pannel filter and remooved the snorkel is absolutely gorgeous! something the 944 doesn’t have unfortunately.
but and it’s a big but, the 944 is my absolute favourite car and i have no problems driving it in the winter iether as you, i believe cars are made to be driven otherwise what’s the point! i never was a poser just a pure driver and love the older stuff.
the nice thing about the 986 is it had some really unusual extras and just fell in love with the look of it . it had red not the cherry red but red leather with all the porsche silver extra interia bits . it has the full aero kit and the colour is just fantastic . it’s a beutiful blue that goes into different tones in different lights.
my 944 turbo is guards red with original big winged half cream leather and cream pinstripe velor i just love the comfort of it. the boxter full leather seats are the top spec for that year but not a touch on the 945 recaros!! you really know your in something my speacial when you get in the 944 turbo. it still smells old too 😁 it’s fairly heavily modified engine wise now and still going, as i just didn’t want to have my all time favourite car being slower than the modern day hatches 😁 i wanted it to be my ultimate favourite so i took the plung on the slippery slope and i can tell you, i could have bought a few more 944s for the money i’ve spent on the mods and as with all old cars, it never seems to stop 😂
havnt drive it drive the 944 fir nearly 2 and half years and i’m missing it immensely now!!
Great content. I had a C2 years ago but feel like I would be up for a 944 now - love the large sunroof!
The removeable roof is an added bonus for sure. Little bit problematic. Overall great cars. Get one!
Owned a 83 944 an 86 turbo 944 and a 93 968 loved them all ! And I really missed them. Especially my 86 turbo . When I bought the 968 with a m02 sway bar I thought I would get over my turbo . But just wasn’t the same ! I love the 944’s!! Cheers !
Ah nice one. Yeh I do like a 968, definitely better built but there is something just a bit more special about a 944 turbo. The lag and subsequent rush of boost will stay with me forever.
Yep, with you all day long. I've had all manner of exotica over the years, 928's,944's911's, Mustangs, 208 Ferrari, 924 Carrera GTS and 3 GT's.
I've come back to a lovely old 1982 924 added to the fleet after foolishly selling it 5 years ago. A few simple mods and it really does drive well, bags of character and amazing build quality.
Dirt cheap too. If I drive it back to back with my Capri it feels like it's from another planet
Wow, great comment. That's good to know. I'm clearly in good company then! They are super cheap. Interesting comment about the Capri though, that's still one of my bucket list cars, do you think it would disappoint? Have I peaked with the 944? I hope not! Thanks for watching. Another vid on this car coming in a couple of week time. Cheers.
@@damos_cars the Capri, I would describe as charming and charismatic these days, having said that, it's so very easy to 'sort' them as they are very much a slightly larger Escort. A 2.0 with updated brakes, stiffer springs, Weber and exhaust feels like a proper old school hooligan.
3.0 is lively and lovely, 2.8i feels the most modern as standard
I have my 944 ( 163 hp ) since 2006, I still love it!
Nice one, yeh great motors!
The Porsche 924 was very much a VW, the 944 was not so much a VW. Porsche knew that the VW issues were issues and reworked the 944 to make it very much a Porsche. There was very little about the 944 that was influenced or narrowed from VW. I have always wanted a 944 S2 - As a kid this was one of my favorite cars.
I agree, I cover this very topic a bit more in other videos. Cheers, thanks for watching.
Lovely car. Still a head turner and much more character and heart than modern soulless hot hatches! I have a 986 and just love the analogue feel of it compared to cars of this era.
Yeh indeed. So much more character! Thanks for watching.
Great Video, whats not to like about a period correct 944, enjoy!
Thank you! Cheers.
I hope it does good things for you for a long time. I've had an 89 S2 for about eight years. I keep thinking about a Cayman, but as you know, the S2 is a very good drivers car, and I own it free and clear.
Yeh, also Caymans are not as rare. The 944 does a better job of making you feel special. Thanks for watching.
I wish I had one. I bought a 1988 2.5 off of eBay in 2012. But the guy hid the paint damage in the sun’s reflection in the photos. I couldn’t drive it that way and walked away. I checked an old photo I saved from it. It was off the road 2 years later. Lucky escape.
I remember these cars for £3k to £4K in early 2000s. Sadly I didn’t need a car that much so didn’t get one then. Too expensive for me now for what they are. Any I have an M3 like you used to have for nearly 2 years. Can’t ever see me selling it!
Ahh that's a bit of shame but great you have the M3. I still miss mine a bit. They are amazing sounding cars for sure. Thanks for watching. More stories to come on the 944!
took me a while to discover the manual seat adjustment lever that tilts the seat back. Lever is on the right side of the seat. Thought there was something seriously wrong my seat as I was stuck sitting straight up
Ha ha, glad you got it sorted!
Hi, Lovely car! And I love the fact you added the reverse camera! I’m looking at getting one in the near future but what do you think to the performance of it? On paper it looks not half bad especially for a car of the 80s
Cheers
Oliver
Thank you. Yeh the reversing camera sure comes in handy. The performance is ok. It won't set the world on fire. It's very progressive and controllable thanks to long throttle pedal travel. It won't tear your face off though and doesn't really have the best soundtrack. What it does have though, is superb drivability. This car pivots around you and handles really well. Especially if the suspension has been freshened up. Good luck with the search. Let us know how you get on.
I watched an old wheeler dealers yesterday. They bought a 944 turbo, mint condition, same year as your S2 for 2800. Then turned it into a track car. I cringed. How much it would be worth now!
Nightmare! Gah...!
A mint turbo 2k impossible
@@SAMMYJR00777 no. It was over 15 years ago.
Love it. Probably my favourite Porsche. Love how all your cars seems to be black as well :)
We did go through a blue period a while back...
@@damos_cars Black is better imho :)
I agree. It’s mostly by accident rather than design though to be honest!
If you're not putting the car in the garage over winter, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE get loads of decent cavity was inside the sills and inside the lower section of the front wings and protect the rear arches and bottom of the sills with a decent underbody wax- I suggest Dinitrol (3125 and 4941)and find a garage that has a schutz gun and compressor to apply both products, if you don't already have the equipment!
Good tips. It does live in the garage, I should have it clearer that what I meant was it won’t actually be 'garaged', i.e. it will still come out (not very often!) to be used and won’t just be moth balled. Thanks for the tips and for watching cheers.
I’m over here “on the other side of the pond”, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen that 944s2 emblem on the hatch…..and I always check out other 944s. Also, I have that “linen” colored interior in my 1990 Baltic Blue S2 Cabriolet. Truth be told I would have to admit, I’d prefer a darker color for a leather interior, but it is absolutely striking against your black paintwork. And regarding the ‘911 driver hate for the 924/944/968’? These cars arguably saved Porsche’s financial ass, and I don’t care what they say, that near 50-50 weight ratio can’t be beat in handling curves! Finally….buying one to “fill up a hole in your garage”….you made me laugh! Hmmmmmm…..I wonder? I haven’t tried that excuse with my wife….maybe I’ll give it a try! Great video, my friend, on a beautiful car!
Thank you for some very wise and kind words! 😊👍
Welcome to the club :)
welcome back to the club, I didn't stay long though...
I’m glad you fit in a 944. When I test drove one the steering wheel was pressed against my legs (I’m a lanky 5’11 guy, not big) even though I wast that comfortable, I still really want one 😂
Ah man! That's a shame. Yep as I say if you don't fit there's not much you can do about as that steering wheel doesn't shift anywhere! Thanks for watching.
@@damos_cars really enjoyed the video! Nice to see someone knowledgeable talking about a great car 👍
Thank you, that means a lot.
My wife has a 924s. And the wheel was in my lap also, at the Porsche swap meet in Hershey PA she found a much smaller MOMO. Steering wheel !! Better look and problem fixed !!!😄😄😄😄😎😎🇩🇪🇺🇸🍺🍺🍺
@@artmchugh5644 ooooh! I love a momo wheel, didn’t realise it made it easier to get in and out of thought! That’s great, you seen Casey putch’s 944s?
I also had a black 944 S2 from about 1996-99. Many fond memories.
Oh wow, nice Chris. Good to know I'm not alone. Do you think you'll ever go back?
@@damos_cars I am just about to start browsing to see what is available 🙂From memory I sold it for £11.5k at 89k. I also changed for a Boxster.
Have owned my 91’ S2 coupe since 95’ and it’ll be going to my son. Thank goodness I never sold it although I’ve come close over the yrs. Just a tic under 100k miles
Ah love it John! Amazing cars, great you're keeping it in the family.
I have owned 90 cars including 911, 240Z and Corvette and the S2 Cab that I have is my all time favorite
Love it. They’re great aren’t they!?
I think you may find that the steering wheel IS adjustable: check the hidden, underside of the wheel above the knee bolster for a lever you can pull towards you to unlock the wheel. Adjust it, then lock the lever back in place. Don't know about UK-spec 944s, which may be different than my US-spec '88 NA (e.g. several youtubers have called the "sunroof" an option in the UK, but I believe all US-spec cars had these). Hope this works for folks over there--or, anywhere. Probably LOTS of folks don't know about this feature because that lever is quite hidden.
Yeh, interesting. Not the Euro spec models unfortunately.
I love mine, almost the same spec but the bridge spoiler model
Oh nice, bridge spoiler really freshened it up.
Great cars. My first Porsche was a 1990 944 Turbo I bought in the late 90's. It was one of the later 250bhp models which the previous owner had modded a bit so was putting out close to 300bhp and had the M030 suspension option so handled great too. Horrendous turbo lag it has to be said. I foolishly traded it in for an '89 911 3.2 Carerra after having a brief drive in a 3.2 Carerra CS model. My 911 was reliable but nothing like as quick as either my turbo or the CS I tried. Replaced it with a 996 GT3 which was a fantastic car though.
Lovely story. Thanks for sharing. GT3 are fabulous cars. You clearly love your Porsches! I like the 996 but never got on with the driving position. Wonder if your 944 is still on the road?
WELL DONE.....IF YOU HAD THESE CARS THE FIRST TIME AROUND...YOU KNOW WHAT A REAL GOOD CAR IS!! 80S N 90S CARS ARE GREAT! go back further in Porsche history...they always parts binned VW ...the 356 flat 4.....912 flat 4 *VW etc etc
Ha ha good points. Cheers.
@@damos_cars and good point 944 Turbo V 911 Turbo....I owned a 944 Turbo S *silver Rose ( in 1990....and they were such a great car....but the suspension was too hard for UK roads...mine used to weave and dart all over the place on B roads. I even went back to PCGB and as a result fitted Yokohama AVS tyres which helped a little. Think we need a special club for people that owned Porsches in the 80s n 90s the first time around.... I also think we are mostly better drivers as those old cars were just you and the car!! no traction and stability etc etc. I went in a 3.3 Turbo 911.....1 sec lack of concentration and it was going to kill you if you were driving fast. Also 80s Porsche are all hand built and will outlast modern stuff..and do so!
Shes beautiful man, my father had a 1987 944 back in the day, I wanted to inherit that car but sadly it was a lemon and my father didn't want me to have to deal with something that can get very expensive. That car is timeless
Ahh, nice story. Probably the right decision. I ended up with a 911 that belonged to my late father. There's a story about it in one of my videos. It was also a bit of a nail to be honest! Sometimes as tough as these decisions they are the right decisions. Thanks for watching. Heres the vid: th-cam.com/video/ztXAAGuo8B8/w-d-xo.html
I have a LHD US import 944 Turbo for the last 20+ years - love nor money would part me with her ! There is nothing modern or classic even comes close ! Well done - Lovely proper S2!
Oh wow, great feedback. Thank you. Sounds like a family heirloom in the making.
Hi Donal how are you and your family doing ? Hope the 951 is still going -really loved the trip to Silverstone all those years ago with the 2.7 :) My white S2 was the one featured in the Hagerty article
Was the picture at 0:48 taken at Easthampstead Mansion by any chance?
Yep!
All the 944S2s had airbags in the front passenger and drivers steering wheel (maybe only in US? Since I noticed and you mentioned not having airbags). Nice car and video (I really like the look in black).
Yeh you’re right they did. I remembered this after I did the video. Thanks for pointing it out. It was a NA thing. Wonder why they didn’t do it in Europe? Thanks for watching.
@@damos_cars No RHD 944s had air bags and only US spec and possibly Japan had them.......
A beautiful example.
Thank you! Appreciate the comment.
Just randomly watching this 944 video that popped up... ah yes I've got one of those, also bought in early 2000s... Oh look that's me on the Titanic 944 Reading meet pic!? 😮 I had the cobalt blue S2 😊 It's been off the road for over a decade awaiting rust repairs, but I will do it eventually!
Think I remember it Andy! Great you still have it 👍👍
@@damos_cars Your number plate looked kind of familiar. I don't have many photos from back then as it was pre-smartphone era. Did you do the Dyno day at Silverstone? I've got some pics from then and just noticed it happened on 7th May 2005 - that's 18 years ago today! Another bizarre coincidence...!
No but I remember it. I did a Morgan factory tour that I think was Titanic. The pics are still up on Ricks site if you dig deep enough: cannell.co.uk/
I think anyone who had a 944 in the early 2000s was on Titanic, great times 👍
@@damos_cars Yes seems like yesterday! Thanks for the link to Rick's site - lots of good stuff on there!
Incredible car. Torque galore.
Yeh, they were very torquey!
Yeah, sold my 1989 turbo a year ago and here i am, wondering why i don't have a 944 and watching videos again. Don't need another car, going to wait until i make money again, maybe look at a 968 or a 928... But then winter... But then why don't i have one of these...i even bore myself with this discussion.
It’s a constant mind battle! Lottery win would solve it
@@damos_cars As soon as my two shares of GameStop come through baby....😅
nice presentation! But why is there never any mention of cruise control?
Dunno, not seen it on a UK 944. Would anyone ever use it? Never used non-distance controlled cruise on any car.
@@damos_cars my US car has cruise control. Fun to play with on longer trips.
Question for everyone, I had an ‘89 S2, I sold it partly to get a 911 but also because the clutch’s bite point was so high in the pedal travel it made heel/toeing very cumbersome. My local independent could not get it to bite lower down in the pedal travel. He took clutch and fly wheel apart, said they were good and that that was just where the bite point was. Do all 944s bite high in the pedal travel? Ideally I would like a clutch that bites mid-travel. I would love to get another S2, but not if the clutch is annoyingly high. Thanks for your input.
The clutch pedal travel has always been high for me. The travel in this old 944 seems even higher. I don't mind it that much though. The accelerator pedal travel is even longer but then I quite like that as it makes it easier to drive smoothly.
Beautiful car. I’m looking at an S2 or a Turbo. Having owned both, which one did you like more?
Good question. I like both. Would probably lean more toward the turbo as they’re generally better spec’d so more likely to have sports seats, air con and 10 speaker sound. The price of turbos have really taken off though so from a pure value for money point of view I prefer the S2. You get 80% of the turbo thrills but for 50% of the price.
Go S2, you get essentially turbo power without lag and reliability issues. Though if you went turbo, you could more easily add power for cheaper.
@@dylanriley2707 Great points, thanks for that. I think I’m going to try and find a turbo just for the ability to add power more easily/cheaply. A 944 with a swap also sounds interesting lol but I’m sure the build would be a money pit.
Think this might be my old car that I sold for nothing back in 2007 as the fourth cylinder blew and I took a job abroad, of course regret it, is there a Mr Gill anywhere on the log book ?
I no longer have the car but did digitise all records before selling and could not find the name you mentioned or anything in the history about the 4th cylinder. Hope that helps! Cheers👍
@@damos_cars thanks, was just wondering, never should of sold it!
Great car, great video! But unless you're Yoda, it's 'loud pedal' not 'pedal loud'. Cheers!
Ahh! Jedi in my veins I have mmm. 😆
944s2 and turbo are better than Bmw e30 m3 but gets no recognition in used car values. I could never understand that
yeh, E30 M3's are certainly very coveted! 944 was always in the shadow of the 911.
Sound is really off on this video, moving on, nice car though, glad your able to enjoy it.
When I first started my affair with the 944 cars there was not much interest in the cars and you could buy a running driving N/A car for a thousand bucks or so. I bought two at one time, an auto N/A car and a Turbo car for fifteen hundred dollars. Now they are all the rage with late comers shouting the qualities of the car and many who run on about what the car requires to be acceptable. LOL
The virtues of human nature are astounding. From struggling to keep your car on the road to dumping tens of thousands into a car.
Thanks for commenting. I remember seeing leggy turbos in 2001 for 5k UK pounds. Sorry about the audio. We're a work in progress. All the best, cheers.
S2 or Turbo for driving in Scottish mountains?
That's like asking who's your favourite child! I'd go S2 to be honest. Turbo is a great car but has lag, the smoothness of the S2 around those twisty bends is what you need Rob. Enjoy. Let us know how it goes!
@@damos_cars Thank you for the answer. I just have a selection of mint 944 Turbo with LSD with lots of money thrown at it or 944 S2 to be assembled(same mechanic owns both of those). He is reluctant to sell the Turbo and I am not sure if I should pry or just go with the S2. Thank you very much for your opinion.
Imagine the turbo is twice the price of the S2 right?
@@damos_cars The Turbo is 140% price of the ready to drive S2, but the price difference is unimportant here for me as I'm sure I'm gonna spent some more on S2's maintenance, just would like to be happy with the car. I want to use the car for tourist rallies, regularity rallies, autocrossing.
Is that a passenger drivers seat?
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I noticed that. Looking at the seat tilt handle, the passenger and drivers seat seemed to have been swapped over.
It is not uncommon for people who don't use the back seats much to do so when the drivers seat starts to wear.
Do you still own it? I love them too...my fave sportscar.... I had a 944 in 1988 when they were new and then a Turbo S,,,yes the silver rose model in 1992. PS they engines are METZGER designed....ever seem a car for sale with an engine failure like a 996 911? errr no ! so god knows why 911 geeks knock them all the time.??
Yeh that's so true! Never ever heard of an engine failure on a 944 actually. No, I sold it on a few years ago. Great fun at the time and I may well go back. We'll see!
I am after another 944 turbo or an S2 before the good examples get too expensive@@damos_cars