how did Molly save him? She and all of the Weasley's obviously helped him and supported him but did i miss her in particular doing something to save him?
@@t1redbenj804 "Helping and supported" him is an understatement. She took him in as a family member, and gave him just as much love as if he was a Son of hers. That's the point, Love. She didn't specifically save his "Life", but she definitely saved him by treating him as a son.
Maybe you could say Molly saved him in the most important way by producing almost everyone that shows him love at first. Which ultimately is the only thing that stops hairy from going down the dark path himself later on in life and why Dumbledore sees the Weasley family as so extremely crucial to Harry's bigger picture.
Going with the theory that Harry, Snape, and Voldermort represent the 3 Peverell Brothers, and Dumbledore represents Death itself (Harry greeted Death as an "old friend" at King's Cross, with Harry being the brother who used the cloak to hide from Death), wouldn't it make sense that Voldermort feared Dumbledore, if Voldermort feared the concept of death, and Dumbledore represented Death?
To everyone else he was Voldemort, even past teachers like Slughorn saw him as Lord Voldemort except for Dumbledore. To him he was always Tom Riddle the boy he met in the orphanage. Voldemort feared his indifference and the lack of fear he had had towards him. Voldemort lived off fear and even began to falter when Harry didn't seem to fear him as well.
@@hannahlarocco4699 fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself. Tom Riddle is a man with weaknesses and vulnerabilities. He’s not some legend cloaked in terror to Dumbledore, or Harry, or even Sirius and RAB I would argue. Those who call him by his name force him to confront his humanity and, potentially, the damage he has done to it. The way I see it, he is forced out of his denial by these brave few.
All good points but I think Voldemort fears Dumbledore because he knows Dumbledore is miles better. If you read the chapter “The Only One He Ever Feared” it becomes “PRETTY OBVIOUS” that Voldy is fighting to kill and Dumbledore is toying with him like a dad playing basketball against his 8 year old son. “‘We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom,' Dumbledore said calmly, continuing to walk towards Voldemort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall. 'Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit-' ‘There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!' snarled Voldemort. ‘You are quite wrong,' said Dumbledore, still closing in upon Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the matter over drinks.’” The only reason Harry was the chosen one was because Dumbledore would not be alive-due his own carelessness-to see Voldemort die.
While these are great points, Dumbledore does specify that there are powers Voldemort posseses that Dumbledore could only dream of. I think Dumbledore is slightly powerful but not by as much as you think. Speaking to snakes can be useful, flying is useful. Then again, what’s the point of flying if you can just apparate. We see a multitude of extreme and dangerous enchantments and curses Voldemort used throughout the series. Voldemort was literally the most evil wizard to walk the earth, so I think he makes a strong case for himself. I just think that Dumbledore is wiser because he dabbled in both dark and light arts. Voldy only cared for dark powers and only knew about as such. Not to mention Voldy had no ability to love. If Voldemort stayed on the light side, he probably would’ve become the most powerful wizard ever in history. At the end of the day tho this is all fiction
I don't disagree, but I think a big part you missed is that Dumbledore is at his core, a better chess player/wedding planner than Voldemort. He fears him because he is the only person who has ever really been able to consistently outsmart him and thwart his plans. He may also fear his belief in the power in love, but fear of his beliefs alone probably wouldn't keep him from attacking Harry as long as Dumbledore is around or keep him from Hogwarts. Also even though he has horcruxes, it's still a huge pain for him to come back again, so he definitely fears being bested in a duel with Dumbledore and the inconvenience that would cause him
@@metapotamus well no, the video is saying he's afraid Dumbledore is right about love, I'm saying he's (also) afraid that he can outsmart him (and also just losing another body)
Voldemorts fear of Dumbledoor reminds me of the fear a parent can instill in a child at a young age, that even when your an adult, you still see your parents as the superior force, somehow more important than everyone else, even if logically you know it isn't true, you still feel it, because at one point, they were
My theory on why Voldemort feared Dumbledore (aside from respect as an equal) was that it stemmed from when they first met. A bullying, thieving, lying, spiteful child is told by an adult that the behavior won’t be tolerated, then said adult flicks (as far as the kid know) a twig, and sets the kids wardrobe ON FIRE, but leaving no damage. That kind of power display must’ve really left an impression, even into adulthood. Edit: which they bring up at 3:31. XD
I also think that Voldemort really don't want to risk the setback a lost duel with dumbledore would cost him. Slughorn also says that it is true the Voldemort never sought a duel with Dumbledore implying that he thinks he might loose
A loss. Or perceived loss against DB would harm Voldemort's public image. Even being minorly wounded would make others stop respecting him as all powerful. And its not just DB, Voldemort has to kill any opposing wizard as fast as possible. Because in truth, any decent wizard can wound Voldemort.
"The Only One He Ever Feared" is my favourite chapter title by a landslide, funnily enough my second favourite is "The Lightning-Stuck Tower", long story short, Dumbledore's got style!
I know you guys have probably been working on this for a while, but can you please continue the What if Neville was the chosen one series? You guys took a premise that so many people including myself thought would be dull, and made it so interesting, especially with how it ended.
@@ObsessiveGeek I want to see how Voldemort’s plans change over the next seven years, how Harry’s death affects Sirius, see another core trio be established, see Neville’s beliefs that Hufflepuffs are weak and untalented change, see what events/character dynamics change as a result of Neville’s personality/demeanour, and see who Neville ends up with. I could go on for a while about the things I’d want to see if they continue from the cliff hanger they left us on
I'd argue that he fears Dumbledore because DD knows his past. He's spent decades murdering his way to become the most evil and feared wizard ever, crafting a legend so strong that people still fear to say his personally-chosen alias even after a decade of being "dead". And he's terrified that Dumbledore is going to replace all of that, to let it slip that the unstoppable, immortal monster is just some dude named Tom. He doesn't fear Dumbledore killing Voldemort the Wizard, he's scared of Dumbledore shattering Voldemort the Persona.
My thought on why Ole Voldy fears Dumbledore is because Voldemort showed too much of his hand (out of excitement) to Dumbledore when he was told that he was a wizard. Voldemort always wants to have the upper hand and keep others out, hence the mastery of legilimency.
@@thedragonwarrior5861 especially when Dumbledore asked Harry to keep their lessons quiet because he doesn’t want others to know how much he knows about Voldemort’s past. He bares the burden of the danger of that knowledge.
I love how these last couple theories have come about on through the gryffindor. Seeing the theory spark in the podcast and then be formulated into a full blown theory video (that is completely plausible) is so cool.
@@firestar4430 Me too. Sure they're discussing (let's face it a Children's and Young Adult's) book but their analysis is thought provoking & fun to talk about.
I think it comes down to Riddle being the ultimate coward. He was afraid of death, he was afraid of people knowing his family history, he was afraid of his followers betraying him. He was afraid of everything he didn't control or could kill. He rarely did anything himself, unless he knew with certainty that he would be able to effortlessly handle it. His entire power base was built on the supposed belief that he was always all powerful. And Dumbledore couldn't be bullied, manipulated, or forced into submission by him and that's why Riddle feared. Dumbledore was the embodiment of the fact that not everything was in his ability to control
That and Dumbledore knew where Voldemort came from. That simple fact terries Voldemort. Dumbledore knew he was an orphan from a Muggle orphanage who was called Tom, not some ancient terror with a cool name
What I find funny about these books is that pure bloods are about three or four generations away from just not existing at all. The amount of inbreeding would lead down Marvolo's line, and there would be less and less ability to control magic. So, love would keep magic alive, and hate and xenophobia will lead to the death of magic as a whole
No, there are too many purebloods for that. There are at least the sacred 28 familys plus any other "random" pureblood marriages and that's (I think) only in Great Britain maybe Europe. There are far more purebloods if you consider the rest of the world. So in the real world you could compare purebloods to nobles and they inbread for centuries. Granted there were some genetic problems, but not to the extend of "not existing at all" and especially not in only 3-4 generations
@@temeraire8329 Don't forget that all of that also only applies to Britains wizardkind. We have no idea how many pure bloods exist in other parts of the world, but considering that Durnstrang dosen't even accept muggle-borns and is still operating, it's really plausible that there are enough pure-bloods left in the world.
@@LegioXXI @temeraire8329 to both of you, there may be enough in the world, but the ones in England are pretty England for the English mindset. If you see how they treat other wizards at the World Cup, you will see just how much they love the idea of sullying their blood even with wizards from other countries is disdained by them
And when you think about it, since Wizards and Muggles are both biologically human, either all Muggles descend from Squibs or all Wizards descend from Muggles
@@stevenburton7725 Yeah maybe, but my argument still applies if you only take english purebloods. And since it's normal to consider schools in other countries (I think Draco considered going to Durmstrag) I'm guessing in this regard being a pureblood trumps nationality. Again parallels to nobles, sure a noble from the same country might be nice, but before you have to marry a lesser noble it's better to marry someone from another country.
I always thought it was because of how easily Dumboedore accepted the idea of death. Its basically the antithesis of Tim's wholee deal, so i dont think he'd be able to comprehend someone like that.
I think another great point is one you guys made in a previous video (maybe in an episode of Through the Griffindoor) that another reason Voldemort feared him is because if Dumbledore didn’t have restraint or morality, he would wipe the floor with Voldemort in the dark arts and become even more of a threat to his plan
@@adarshmohapatra5058 if you don’t know how much Fred and George bet Ludo Bagmin that Kris would catch the snitch, then lose, you haven’t been hear long enough
The hardest part for a narcissist is when they have someone who they know is smarter than them, but, because of their narcissism, they can never admit it. Dumbledore was just smarter than him, and there wasn’t anything he could do that Dumbledore didn’t see right through. When someone wishes to keep secrets, they generally fear that which can bring those things they wish to keep hidden into the light.
The last book came out 16 and a half years ago, I’m amazed this channel has kept going for so long after the series finished. I do enjoy checking out a few of your videos every year or so though.
The theories coming out of Through the Griffin Door are AMAAAZING! I've listened to every episode and am relistening while waiting for Chamber to come out. HOGWARTS IS A DRAGON!!!
I think it stems from your series about Dumbledore pulling the strings on Harry. Dumbledore is such an effective planner that Voldemort has to fear Dumbledore‘s plans.
Hey, Brothers! I left a review on your podcast on Spotify, but hopefully I can elaborate a bit more here on a theory I thought up a couple days ago. Listening to CoS, Dumbeldore is described as "X-raying" Harry in his office after the attack on Nick and Justin. It's also implied in SS that Dumbledore can see Harry through the invisibility cloak. Lastly, the amount of times that Dumbledores intense blue eyes are described is quite suspicious, especially considering the rarity of having rad hair and blue eyes (.17 percent of the population according to a quick search). This all leads me to my theory: Dumbeldore created the eye for Moody. Sorry if this is already established but everything I read said that the origins of Moody's eye were unmentioned. The fact that it is often described as "lightning blue" just as intense as Dumbeldores eyes are always described leads me to draw some connection. Perhaps Dumbeldore himself has one of these creations in his own eye socket? Moody's eye has very similar powers mentioned with his eye such as seeing through Harry's invisibility cloak after Crouch steals from Snape and borrows the map, seeing through structures and cabinets in Grimmauld Place (the boggart). I'd love to see a video or a mention in the podcast on your thoughts! Keep up the great content, Brothers!
I wish we could’ve seen the 1945 duel between Albus and Gellert in the Fantastic Beasts films because it’s possible that in the end, Gellert secretly surrendered or at least let his old flame defeat him, showing that Love is more powerful than Dark magic. (Near the end of the duel, they could’ve been fighting in that “magical Bubble” where no onlookers could’ve seen.) If that was true, Albus could be alluding to it, even if it wasn’t common knowledge.
That what I think happened. If it came to a choice of kill Dumbledore or surrender I think Grindelwald would have chosen surrender. It’s a shame he went so far as a dark wizard because he and Dumbledore could have probably defeated Voldemort together. Maybe that’s another reason Voldemort fears Dumbledore. Does he know Dumbledore has Grindelwald and maybe Grindelwald would have helped him if asked as a way to redeem himself?
It would be cool if you guys did a what if harry became an obscurus. A lot of the elements needed are already there, I could easily see a world where the dursleys more physically abused him.
I think that Voldemort did not believe dumbledore until he is defeated by lily's love, then he knows for a fact that love is the most powerful magic that he can't have and dumbledore have so much of.
Honestly, the Dumbledore's Horcrux theory still holds up pretty well. The only reason it got shot down so hard is because there's supposedly some super evil and disgusting method to creating a horcrux that Dumbledore would never be willing to do, despite this never being mentioned in the books and is in fact directly contradicted by Harry being an accidental horcrux.
7:15 - You got something mixed up here. You claim, that Dumbledore DID call Voldemort Voldemort. But its actually the other way around. He rejects calling him that. What he knows, that Voldemort didn't want him to know, is the name Deatheater for his followers.
Could we in the future get a video addressing the issue as to why James and/or Lily were not their own secret keepers? This seems like a huge oversight and has bugged me for a while
In my head canon, I thought it might have to do with legilemency/oclumency. I've often wondered if great wizards battled on two fronts: mind and wand. Voldemort thought his invulnerability lay in his secrets while Dumbledore is a pretty open book, so he really only stands to lose ground from a direct confrontation. For instance, I like the idea that Dumbledore only became aware of the horcruxes in the sixth book because he had fought Voldemort in person to end the fifth book perhaps even learning of the ring.
I believe that the chocolate frog cards are the biggest asset that Dumledore has, in regards to information gathering. They are like, mini magical portraits. When harry opened his first chocolate frog card, it just happened to be Albus. Then he was gone. Ron said, "well what do you expect, he can't hang around all day." So to me, it seems that Albus can use the chocolate frog cards as he does with the portraits of past Headmasters. Just a theory & my opinion. What do ya think about it?
I just watched harry Potter for the 1st time of my choice the day after Christmas and I'm watching the final movie tonight. Im definitely gonna need a TH-cam channel that still dose theories till this day🤞🏾💕
This is a great take. Being wrong feels a *lot* like a part of you died. And just imagine, being wrong on such a deep level would be quite painful. Voldemort's ideology is what compels him, so in a sense it is him. For Dumbledore to be right would be the ultimate form of death--not just physical but his entire worldview and legacy.
What always bothered me was the significance of Slughorns memory. It was a main point of book 6, and all Dumbledore wanted with it is the actual number of horcruxes. He had to know that its horcruxes before. But assuming he ended up making exactly that number is just guesswork, how would they know? Seems like way too risky to just assume that. He could have just as well made 5 or 15, for all Dumbledore knows. And the plan is ruined if they miss a single one. Am I missing sth?
He knows the fortitude of Tom Riddle well, he’s not the type to alter his plans. He makes a goal and sets out to achieve it. Dumbledore already strongly suspected the number he was going for, just wanted confirmation as like you say he didn’t want to miss any out. And of course he already knows it’s one more than Voldemort intended to create too. Harry is the best person to go after the others as he’s in a position to know when Voldemort begins thinking about the location of any others once he’s aware they’re in danger so even if they were extras that were created Harry would have discovered them through Voldemort himself.
I think it's actually pretty clever. Voldemort for all of his faults has absolute faith in the power of magic and Dumbledore knows that. 7 is said to be the most magical number of all so it makes perfect sense to consider that's what he would end up going for.
I think dueling is the least of Dumbledore's threat. He is a better strategist, hides his intentions well, has impeccable timing, has always been able to stay a step ahead of Tom's plans and unravel them. He cannot be bribed, tempted with power, controlled or intimidated. Dubledore is an ineffable being in his mind, making him fear the unknown, just like he fears death.
Interesting theory! There is a fanfic, The Transmogrification of a Not-Yet-Lord, that offers another idea that I think you would enjoy. It challenges the initial assumptions Dumbledore and the headmistress of the orphanage make about Tom, that Tom was bullied first, and the outbursts were the result of fear and accidental magic. That rather than placing Tom with a magical family, he sent him back to a muggle orphanage, every summer, during WW2, when London was being bombed. That Tom found the chamber to try to hide at Hogwarts during the summer and Myrtle was an accident. That he fears Dumbledore because Dumbledore twisted everything he did into something evil, which became a self fulfilling prophecy.
I think in the books its mentioned that Dumbledore always saw right through him. Since the start. Since he started at hogwarts, Dumbledore had eyes on him even though he was just a professor. Tom Riddle I believe confirms this in Chamber of Secrets to Harry. Now, Dumbledore was at his peak when Voldy started at hogwarts. He could read Tom's mind and knew that theres so much evil. Only mistake of dumbledore was that he believed he can give love to Tom and change his heart. During his last years he probably HAD to learn Occlumency to protect himself against Dumbledore. When he learns that he defeated Grindlewald the most powerful dark wizard of that time, he had developed actual fear of Dumbledore. He knew if he were to beat Dumbledore, it would not be direct duel. Also I believe Voldemort tried coming back to hogwarts many times during first wizarding war but failed due to sheer presence of Dumbledore. This could be the reason we hear the words utter through out the series: "Hogwarts is the safest place while Dumbledore here." or "With Dumbledore gone, no one is safe at the school" (This one was many times whenever Dumbledore decided to "go away" like in 2nd book).
I always got the impression it wasn't that he feared Dumbledore, but more feared being vulnerable, and Dumbledore was always able to see through his charming and charismatic personality. Dumbledore was able to see the real Tom Riddle.
Also one thing I think you have to think about, when Voldemort claims that he has seen nothing to prove Dumbledore claim he is knowingly lying to him. Voldemort has seen this exact thing love stop the unblock killing curse, This prior failure combined with Dumbledore confidence is probably, and Dumbledore probably knows that which scares him even more.
I have an idea for a new what if. What if Draco never finished making the vanishing cabinet. We know that Dumbledore was lured to the astronomy tower by a death eater who got in via the cabinet, and I have a feeling Draco wouldn't have had the confidence to confront Dumbledore without the death eaters in the castle. Which could lead to multiple different changes in the story.
Harry, even though he didn't keep the elder wand, is stiill able to 'live forever' or 'conquer Death' because he has the cloak of invisibility. The only Peveral brother that successfully outsmarted Death was the one asked for the cloak by hiding from it.
WhatIf Suggestion: What if Amos Diggory noticed Crouch, Jr's stunned body beneath the Dark Mark? - Jr goes back to Azkaban - Sr resigns in disgrace and might go to Azkaban as well - Huge red flag that something nefarious is going on (not that that guarantees the MoM will do anything) I guess Voldemort would have found some other way to get access to Harry, but with only Wormtail to rely on it would have been very difficult.
I'd go one step further and say because Tom Riddle wasn't born out of love ( rather pseudo love from a potion) that the idea of love is a treat to his own existence. Its a power he will never possess
Why is he afraid? Well, that's simple. See, back when Tom came to apply for DADA the second time, Dumbles thought it'd be great to play "got your nose" And Moldy-Voldy took that personally...
I agree with everything in the video. But also. Voldemort knows that Dumbledore knows the prophecy, and he knows that Dumbledore is smart enough to ensure it comes to pass.
Dumbledore is the only person who could ever outsmart him. Dumbledore knows things Voldemort doesn't and Voldemort knows this. He may not be able to stop him, but he can tell Harry what he needs to know to defeat him.
When you think about it voldemort literally means “Flight of death” in french, “Vol de mort”, and dumbledore just casually letting himself get killed just to safe someone from the opposite team(draco, and yes ofcourse he was already going to die but i mean 1 day is 1 day alive)and to legitimate his spy’s position shows that the thing voldermort fears it most, which is death, is nothing for dumbledore, i think this is also important to note :)
Just a small mistake: When Voldemort went for the teaching job interview, Dumbledore called him Tom as always and Voldemort said that he is known by another name nowdays and Dumbledore said he knew that, as well as the rest of his activities.
I don’t think Voldemort fears dumbledore himself but fears dumbledores ability to seem to know EVERYTHING from the moment they met dumbledore instantly knew Tom was a bully and stealing from the other children. Dumbledore knew Tom opened the chamber and framed hagrid (he just couldn’t prove it and didn’t try because none of the other professors would have believed it as they were all fond of Tom) dumbledore always seemed 2 steps ahead of Voldemort. I think that’s what he feared
I am absolutely not hating on this theory, or any others, but I have to say, is this really a theory. Im pretty sure you have just taken away one of the key elements JK was trying to portray throughout the books regarding love. Im glad you made the video because it puts it in writing and clears the theme up for me - helping me enjoy HP even more, but this is more of a very interesting interpretation/ analysis of the story. I think this applies to some of your other theories to an extent too, for example Dumbledore's big plan which has completely improved my enjoyment of the series btw.
Dumbledore was a legend , vildemort was actually a powerful wizard so he had the sight to see how op Dumbledore was. average wizards don't get the full scope.
I think Voldemort was simply afraid of being bested by Dumbledore. A Horcrux only protects against death, not against being beaten in a duel (or potentially imprisoned, like Grindelwald). Which would be highly embarrassing for someone who believes so strongly he is the most powerful wizard ever.
Well-reasoned! You earned this:🦄 From my Narnia fandom, I'll pull this from _Voyage of the Dawn Treader:_ Voldemort didn't read the right kind of books when he was a kid.
Hey Brother! I finally saw the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes and thought it was great. I was glad to see the map although I didn’t think much of it until I saw your review. I looked it up and of course there is now an official canon map, compared to the current United States. My job for you, is to use geography and theories and stuff to find out once and for all when the Hunger Games take place. It may be tricky but the entire fandom is counting on you. And may the odds be ever in your favor
Voldemort also was conceived while his father is on the love potion. He really couldn't fathom what Dumbledore was he was saying. If Dumbledore is right, how will he gain something he can't understand.
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Dumbledore was never fooled by Tom Riddle. Tom was intimidated by Dumbledore before he even became voldemort. Dumbledore was never afraid of saying Voldemort's name, plus Dumbledore worked on taking voldemort down since voldemort came to power. Dumbledore knew that Hagrid was innocent but had no proof against Tom at the time. And Dumbledore knew more than voldemort.
That still doesn't make sense. If all Voldermort cared about when it came to his fear of Dumbledore was his words of strengh. then just waiting for him to die would do it. AS you said Dumbledore dying wouldn't end love so i don't think it was that. Voldermort just simply considered him as a powerful wizard and was threatened by his power and influence. Cut the head of the sneak, cut the head of the lion.
Hey there! I was wondering if I could make a suggestion. It would be amazing if you could create a video of Harry accepting Lupin's offer in the Deathly Hallows. I'm sure many fans, including myself, would love to see that iconic moment come to life. Thank you so much for considering it!
Maybe part of the fear comes from Voldemort fearing Dumbledore's power, when he did not know what it would be like to lose his body upon being killed. Even though he knew his horcruxes would keep him alive, prior to his downfall in Godric's Hollow, he would have probably still feared the concept. And after his resurrection, he knew for sure that that was not something he'd want to experience again, possibly further cementing his fear for Dumbledore.
You guys might have already explained this in a video, but I just thought of something. Would Madeye Moody have been able to see a bogart in its true form? In the Order of the Phoenix, Molly asks him to check if the creature in the writing desk is in fact a bogart.Moody confirms, and then Molly goes to get rid of it. The bogart couldn't see Moody though, and wouldn't have been able to transform into his greatest fear. So what did Moody see? And how did he know it was a bogart?
One thing i would add to your idea, is Ego. Voldy needs/obsessed with appearing to be the strongest and most feared. Example, in DH when all the death eaters flee once harry shows he still alive. Voldemorts persona of being this super power wizard is now thrown into question and his rule of fear means nothing when he cant even kill a child
You forgot the part where Voldy starts looking for the Elder wand, tracks down Grindelwald, only to discover that Dumbledore had defeated him and likely taken it.
You also missed the point that, in the end, dumbledore still was the one who defeated voldemort ... he skillfully moved around everyone else and the events (often many years in advance), to bring the ending that happened. The only part he never planned ahead of time, was Draco owning the elder wand. even the memories, were carefully set up for harry to see and act on .... He knew it all ahead of time ... even allowing voldemort to kill harry, would simply create a new round of his mothers protection for all the others. The prophecy simply pointed dumbledore to who was gonna be the chess piece he eventually needed to win the game. Voldemort had lost before the second game even started ... and it was 100% over as soon as he used Harry's blood to remake his body, hence the look of triumph, and the removal of the only real risk of failure.
Actually, the prophesy states that neither can live while the other survives. It's totally possible that Voldemort could have killed Harry, but that someone could have finished off his other Horcruxes and killed him in a duel. It would still fulfill the prophecy, just as if some bad dark witch or wizard were to off Harry as an Auror in the year 2033 or something, Harry's defeat of Voldemort in 1998 would STILL fulfill the prophecy. In fact, Harry intentionally told Neville about the snake Horcrux, or at least to take it out, right before he assumed he was going to die, figuring "neither would live and neither would survive.". Harry intended after his Horcrux was gone and Voldemort let his guard down enough for Neville to take out the snake Horcrux, that Voldemort would be defeated by someone at the Battle of Hogwarts. So, Voldemort could have killed Harry in year 5, but Dumbledore still found out about the Horcruxes and destroyed them, or as many as he could, telling Snape about the rest before his death from the cursed Ring, and Snape could have destroyed the Horcruxes and killed Voldemort. It's theoretically possible, however, that Dumbledore, since he knew about the Horcruxes since Harry's 2nd year, and knew they were in the plural since Harry's 4th year, that, possibly, he could have destroyed them all and defeated Voldemort in a duel, assuming he wasn't done in by the Ring by putting it on. However, now that I think of it, the hope Dumbledore inspires, his power and hardness to defeat (which could prove bad for any Death Eaters that ran into him. Other than Snape, whom Dumbledore LET kill, nobody but Draco ever got so much as one up on him (and Draco just disarmed him.) None of the Death Eaters dared go for him directly, save Draco, who was forced to. And Dumbledore also lead the Order of the Phoenix, the main enemies of the Death Eaters.
dumbledore never gave into voldemort. he was a powerful wizard who defeated grindelwald, but yeah i think voldemort is overconfident to care. he knows dumbledore is still more experienced, and more wiser then him. Dumbledore is absolutely one of the most influential wizards to ever exist, and as he is stronger and has sharp foresight, is able to be both intimidating and forthcoming to everyone, Voldemort believes that killing Harry would be a lot more difficult then on the flip side.
It’s because dumbledore fully knows him..he’s the only one that he spilled the beans to, and also dumbledore made his give back what he stole etc. in a way dumbledore was the only family he had..harry and Tom were very very similar in that way..they are after distant cousins that dumbledore shaped/tried to shape
Knowing Voldermort he probably looked up the history between dumbledore and grindlewald, maybe he compared his powers with his a lil knowing he was a Big problem before he ever was and dumbledore was the one responsible for this demise. Also Dumbledore was a person who randomly came in his life and the only person who understood his powers as a kid, maybe he saw him as a wizard father that's a wild one to throw out there but its kinda true
It occurred to me that Harry was saved by three mothers: Lily, Molly, and Narcissa. Voldemort literally lost to love.
As a new mother I love the idea that “Mom Magic” is the most powerful magic there is. lol.
how did Molly save him? She and all of the Weasley's obviously helped him and supported him but did i miss her in particular doing something to save him?
Voldemort: "Or you must believe you have a weapon more powerful than mine?"
Harry: "Ur Mom"
@@t1redbenj804 "Helping and supported" him is an understatement.
She took him in as a family member, and gave him just as much love as if he was a Son of hers.
That's the point, Love.
She didn't specifically save his "Life", but she definitely saved him by treating him as a son.
Maybe you could say Molly saved him in the most important way by producing almost everyone that shows him love at first. Which ultimately is the only thing that stops hairy from going down the dark path himself later on in life and why Dumbledore sees the Weasley family as so extremely crucial to Harry's bigger picture.
Dumbledore always saw through Tom Riddle. He saw his mortality and Tom could never stand that.
Reading through the comment section made me come to a realization. Perhaps, there were multiple reasons why Tom feared Dumbledore.
I think it as much this as everything else mentioned in this video.
Going with the theory that Harry, Snape, and Voldermort represent the 3 Peverell Brothers, and Dumbledore represents Death itself (Harry greeted Death as an "old friend" at King's Cross, with Harry being the brother who used the cloak to hide from Death), wouldn't it make sense that Voldermort feared Dumbledore, if Voldermort feared the concept of death, and Dumbledore represented Death?
That's the direction I thought this video was going at the start.
I thought the same too
But that isn’t a theory. It’s just symbolism.
@@Ranger1812I think the theory is that this is the intended idea people are supposed to come to.
@@humanbeing4321 I meant the original idea, of their representing those in the story.
To everyone else he was Voldemort, even past teachers like Slughorn saw him as Lord Voldemort except for Dumbledore. To him he was always Tom Riddle the boy he met in the orphanage. Voldemort feared his indifference and the lack of fear he had had towards him. Voldemort lived off fear and even began to falter when Harry didn't seem to fear him as well.
Why?
@@hannahlarocco4699 fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself. Tom Riddle is a man with weaknesses and vulnerabilities. He’s not some legend cloaked in terror to Dumbledore, or Harry, or even Sirius and RAB I would argue. Those who call him by his name force him to confront his humanity and, potentially, the damage he has done to it. The way I see it, he is forced out of his denial by these brave few.
All good points but I think Voldemort fears Dumbledore because he knows Dumbledore is miles better. If you read the chapter “The Only One He Ever Feared” it becomes “PRETTY OBVIOUS” that Voldy is fighting to kill and Dumbledore is toying with him like a dad playing basketball against his 8 year old son.
“‘We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom,' Dumbledore said calmly, continuing to walk towards Voldemort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall. 'Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit-'
‘There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!' snarled Voldemort.
‘You are quite wrong,' said Dumbledore, still closing in upon Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the matter over drinks.’”
The only reason Harry was the chosen one was because Dumbledore would not be alive-due his own carelessness-to see Voldemort die.
Nice novel have you published it yet? 😂👆
@@saba4646he quoted the book kid, sorry this isn’t stuffed into a 10 second TikTok for you to scarf down.
The reason voldie fears Dumbledore is that when he was younger he lost a very intense game of "Got Your Nose" to Dumbledore. 😂
@@RichardYauman ohhhhhhh! So that’s why he looks like that! 😂😂😂😂
While these are great points, Dumbledore does specify that there are powers Voldemort posseses that Dumbledore could only dream of. I think Dumbledore is slightly powerful but not by as much as you think. Speaking to snakes can be useful, flying is useful. Then again, what’s the point of flying if you can just apparate. We see a multitude of extreme and dangerous enchantments and curses Voldemort used throughout the series. Voldemort was literally the most evil wizard to walk the earth, so I think he makes a strong case for himself. I just think that Dumbledore is wiser because he dabbled in both dark and light arts. Voldy only cared for dark powers and only knew about as such. Not to mention Voldy had no ability to love. If Voldemort stayed on the light side, he probably would’ve become the most powerful wizard ever in history. At the end of the day tho this is all fiction
I don't disagree, but I think a big part you missed is that Dumbledore is at his core, a better chess player/wedding planner than Voldemort. He fears him because he is the only person who has ever really been able to consistently outsmart him and thwart his plans. He may also fear his belief in the power in love, but fear of his beliefs alone probably wouldn't keep him from attacking Harry as long as Dumbledore is around or keep him from Hogwarts. Also even though he has horcruxes, it's still a huge pain for him to come back again, so he definitely fears being bested in a duel with Dumbledore and the inconvenience that would cause him
wedding planner??
@@tanu1733never hire Voldemort to plan your wedding
Wedding planner 😂😂 Perfect analogy 🍻
@@IdaSantti yeah I saw how he disrupted the legendary Bill-Fleur wedding. No respect for him!
@@metapotamus well no, the video is saying he's afraid Dumbledore is right about love, I'm saying he's (also) afraid that he can outsmart him (and also just losing another body)
Voldemorts fear of Dumbledoor reminds me of the fear a parent can instill in a child at a young age, that even when your an adult, you still see your parents as the superior force, somehow more important than everyone else, even if logically you know it isn't true, you still feel it, because at one point, they were
My theory on why Voldemort feared Dumbledore (aside from respect as an equal) was that it stemmed from when they first met. A bullying, thieving, lying, spiteful child is told by an adult that the behavior won’t be tolerated, then said adult flicks (as far as the kid know) a twig, and sets the kids wardrobe ON FIRE, but leaving no damage. That kind of power display must’ve really left an impression, even into adulthood.
Edit: which they bring up at 3:31. XD
I also think that Voldemort really don't want to risk the setback a lost duel with dumbledore would cost him. Slughorn also says that it is true the Voldemort never sought a duel with Dumbledore implying that he thinks he might loose
A loss. Or perceived loss against DB would harm Voldemort's public image. Even being minorly wounded would make others stop respecting him as all powerful. And its not just DB, Voldemort has to kill any opposing wizard as fast as possible. Because in truth, any decent wizard can wound Voldemort.
Because Dumbledore's got style.
Best line of the series
"The Only One He Ever Feared" is my favourite chapter title by a landslide, funnily enough my second favourite is "The Lightning-Stuck Tower", long story short, Dumbledore's got style!
It’s honestly one of the best and most badass personal titles and chapter titles ever.
Even Kingsley said so
It's quite close to "The only thing they fear is you" from Doom Eternal
Not in the books he didn't.
@@jackpfefferkorn3734 that actually fits pretty well. Especially since the death eaters are *terrified* of him.
I know you guys have probably been working on this for a while, but can you please continue the What if Neville was the chosen one series? You guys took a premise that so many people including myself thought would be dull, and made it so interesting, especially with how it ended.
I'm pretty sure they did finish it.
You said yourself it ended…so what more do you want to see??
@@ObsessiveGeek I want to see how Voldemort’s plans change over the next seven years, how Harry’s death affects Sirius, see another core trio be established, see Neville’s beliefs that Hufflepuffs are weak and untalented change, see what events/character dynamics change as a result of Neville’s personality/demeanour, and see who Neville ends up with.
I could go on for a while about the things I’d want to see if they continue from the cliff hanger they left us on
@@paulzan2246 It wasn’t a cliffhanger dude, it was just the end of the series letting you imagine the rest for yourself.
It’s done!
I'd argue that he fears Dumbledore because DD knows his past. He's spent decades murdering his way to become the most evil and feared wizard ever, crafting a legend so strong that people still fear to say his personally-chosen alias even after a decade of being "dead". And he's terrified that Dumbledore is going to replace all of that, to let it slip that the unstoppable, immortal monster is just some dude named Tom. He doesn't fear Dumbledore killing Voldemort the Wizard, he's scared of Dumbledore shattering Voldemort the Persona.
My thought on why Ole Voldy fears Dumbledore is because Voldemort showed too much of his hand (out of excitement) to Dumbledore when he was told that he was a wizard. Voldemort always wants to have the upper hand and keep others out, hence the mastery of legilimency.
Makes sense. Dumbledore knows more about him than anyone else
@@thedragonwarrior5861 especially when Dumbledore asked Harry to keep their lessons quiet because he doesn’t want others to know how much he knows about Voldemort’s past. He bares the burden of the danger of that knowledge.
Yes, thought that too. Like little Tom was like blah with excitement.. but immediately after that is don't ask, don't tell, don't show emotion.....
I love how these last couple theories have come about on through the gryffindor. Seeing the theory spark in the podcast and then be formulated into a full blown theory video (that is completely plausible) is so cool.
They've monetized their brainstorming sessions, and I'm all here for it
@@firestar4430 Me too. Sure they're discussing (let's face it a Children's and Young Adult's) book but their analysis is thought provoking & fun to talk about.
I think it comes down to Riddle being the ultimate coward. He was afraid of death, he was afraid of people knowing his family history, he was afraid of his followers betraying him. He was afraid of everything he didn't control or could kill. He rarely did anything himself, unless he knew with certainty that he would be able to effortlessly handle it. His entire power base was built on the supposed belief that he was always all powerful. And Dumbledore couldn't be bullied, manipulated, or forced into submission by him and that's why Riddle feared. Dumbledore was the embodiment of the fact that not everything was in his ability to control
That and Dumbledore knew where Voldemort came from. That simple fact terries Voldemort. Dumbledore knew he was an orphan from a Muggle orphanage who was called Tom, not some ancient terror with a cool name
What I find funny about these books is that pure bloods are about three or four generations away from just not existing at all. The amount of inbreeding would lead down Marvolo's line, and there would be less and less ability to control magic. So, love would keep magic alive, and hate and xenophobia will lead to the death of magic as a whole
No, there are too many purebloods for that. There are at least the sacred 28 familys plus any other "random" pureblood marriages and that's (I think) only in Great Britain maybe Europe. There are far more purebloods if you consider the rest of the world.
So in the real world you could compare purebloods to nobles and they inbread for centuries. Granted there were some genetic problems, but not to the extend of "not existing at all" and especially not in only 3-4 generations
@@temeraire8329 Don't forget that all of that also only applies to Britains wizardkind. We have no idea how many pure bloods exist in other parts of the world, but considering that Durnstrang dosen't even accept muggle-borns and is still operating, it's really plausible that there are enough pure-bloods left in the world.
@@LegioXXI @temeraire8329 to both of you, there may be enough in the world, but the ones in England are pretty England for the English mindset. If you see how they treat other wizards at the World Cup, you will see just how much they love the idea of sullying their blood even with wizards from other countries is disdained by them
And when you think about it, since Wizards and Muggles are both biologically human, either all Muggles descend from Squibs or all Wizards descend from Muggles
@@stevenburton7725 Yeah maybe, but my argument still applies if you only take english purebloods. And since it's normal to consider schools in other countries (I think Draco considered going to Durmstrag) I'm guessing in this regard being a pureblood trumps nationality. Again parallels to nobles, sure a noble from the same country might be nice, but before you have to marry a lesser noble it's better to marry someone from another country.
I always thought it was because of how easily Dumboedore accepted the idea of death. Its basically the antithesis of Tim's wholee deal, so i dont think he'd be able to comprehend someone like that.
Imagine how voldy would seethe if you called him Tim 😂😂😂😂
@@knutolavbjrgaas1069 yeah, that's the point.
You guys missed a great opportunity to cut to Dumbledore giving his full name in the courtroom
Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore
Thank you so much for including the clip of Voldy's laugh at every opportunity. It makes me laugh every. single. time. 😂
I think another great point is one you guys made in a previous video (maybe in an episode of Through the Griffindoor) that another reason Voldemort feared him is because if Dumbledore didn’t have restraint or morality, he would wipe the floor with Voldemort in the dark arts and become even more of a threat to his plan
If Voldemort ever encountered a boggart, I can guarantee that it’d take the shape of the Grim Reaper.
Or his corpse? 🤔
I would bet double the Weasley-Bagmin standard and 12 philosophers stones on it
It would probably the Grim Reaper but it shape shifts into Dumbledore 😆
@@andrewlang3903 The what?
@@adarshmohapatra5058 if you don’t know how much Fred and George bet Ludo Bagmin that Kris would catch the snitch, then lose, you haven’t been hear long enough
Still haven't seen the clip of Voldie laughing too many times. All these years later, it still makes me chuckle when it appears in a video.
The hardest part for a narcissist is when they have someone who they know is smarter than them, but, because of their narcissism, they can never admit it. Dumbledore was just smarter than him, and there wasn’t anything he could do that Dumbledore didn’t see right through. When someone wishes to keep secrets, they generally fear that which can bring those things they wish to keep hidden into the light.
The last book came out 16 and a half years ago, I’m amazed this channel has kept going for so long after the series finished. I do enjoy checking out a few of your videos every year or so though.
Wow the end about the mind tricks that voldmort does to validate his beliefs is mind-boggling. Great video.
I would like to see a theory about love. Questions like is love magic? And are muggles able to use that magic? Or is a wizard's love only magical?
Potions work on Muggles if that’s what you’re asking.
That’s how Tom Riddle came to be born.
The theories coming out of Through the Griffin Door are AMAAAZING! I've listened to every episode and am relistening while waiting for Chamber to come out. HOGWARTS IS A DRAGON!!!
I think it stems from your series about Dumbledore pulling the strings on Harry. Dumbledore is such an effective planner that Voldemort has to fear Dumbledore‘s plans.
2:15 To be fair, she does have some beliefs that are now strange in the modern age and definitely upsetting to those who were fans of hers.
Hey, Brothers! I left a review on your podcast on Spotify, but hopefully I can elaborate a bit more here on a theory I thought up a couple days ago.
Listening to CoS, Dumbeldore is described as "X-raying" Harry in his office after the attack on Nick and Justin. It's also implied in SS that Dumbledore can see Harry through the invisibility cloak. Lastly, the amount of times that Dumbledores intense blue eyes are described is quite suspicious, especially considering the rarity of having rad hair and blue eyes (.17 percent of the population according to a quick search). This all leads me to my theory:
Dumbeldore created the eye for Moody.
Sorry if this is already established but everything I read said that the origins of Moody's eye were unmentioned. The fact that it is often described as "lightning blue" just as intense as Dumbeldores eyes are always described leads me to draw some connection. Perhaps Dumbeldore himself has one of these creations in his own eye socket? Moody's eye has very similar powers mentioned with his eye such as seeing through Harry's invisibility cloak after Crouch steals from Snape and borrows the map, seeing through structures and cabinets in Grimmauld Place (the boggart).
I'd love to see a video or a mention in the podcast on your thoughts! Keep up the great content, Brothers!
Cool theory! I think Dumbledore “X-raying” Harry was him sneakily using Legilimency on Harry.
I’ve watched ur Harry Potter videos for years I’m amazed you can still come up with new ideas love you guys keep up the great work ❤❤❤
5:35 Given Dumbledore's interest in sweets (including muggle lemon drops) I think that he is more likely to drink cola than either coffee or gin.
Dr Pepper!!
Hi guys, a huge fan in here! Your HP theorys never fail to blow my mind and certainly expand my knowledge of this beautiful universe! Keep it up!
I Agee a month late😂😂😂
I wish we could’ve seen the 1945 duel between Albus and Gellert in the Fantastic Beasts films because it’s possible that in the end, Gellert secretly surrendered or at least let his old flame defeat him, showing that Love is more powerful than Dark magic. (Near the end of the duel, they could’ve been fighting in that “magical
Bubble” where no onlookers could’ve seen.) If that was true, Albus could be alluding to it, even if it wasn’t common knowledge.
That what I think happened. If it came to a choice of kill Dumbledore or surrender I think Grindelwald would have chosen surrender. It’s a shame he went so far as a dark wizard because he and Dumbledore could have probably defeated Voldemort together. Maybe that’s another reason Voldemort fears Dumbledore. Does he know Dumbledore has Grindelwald and maybe Grindelwald would have helped him if asked as a way to redeem himself?
"....and THAT scares the pants off him."
Lol. Classic
It would be cool if you guys did a what if harry became an obscurus. A lot of the elements needed are already there, I could easily see a world where the dursleys more physically abused him.
I think that Voldemort did not believe dumbledore until he is defeated by lily's love, then he knows for a fact that love is the most powerful magic that he can't have and dumbledore have so much of.
Honestly, the Dumbledore's Horcrux theory still holds up pretty well.
The only reason it got shot down so hard is because there's supposedly some super evil and disgusting method to creating a horcrux that Dumbledore would never be willing to do, despite this never being mentioned in the books and is in fact directly contradicted by Harry being an accidental horcrux.
this is my second favourite supercarlinbrothers video after does Dumbledore really like Snape its so good keep up the good work
"...ironically ends up the least alive person alive - if that makes sense". It absolutely does. Genius phrase!
7:15 - You got something mixed up here.
You claim, that Dumbledore DID call Voldemort Voldemort.
But its actually the other way around. He rejects calling him that.
What he knows, that Voldemort didn't want him to know, is the name Deatheater for his followers.
Could we in the future get a video addressing the issue as to why James and/or Lily were not their own secret keepers? This seems like a huge oversight and has bugged me for a while
In my head canon, I thought it might have to do with legilemency/oclumency. I've often wondered if great wizards battled on two fronts: mind and wand. Voldemort thought his invulnerability lay in his secrets while Dumbledore is a pretty open book, so he really only stands to lose ground from a direct confrontation. For instance, I like the idea that Dumbledore only became aware of the horcruxes in the sixth book because he had fought Voldemort in person to end the fifth book perhaps even learning of the ring.
I believe that the chocolate frog cards are the biggest asset that Dumledore has, in regards to information gathering. They are like, mini magical portraits. When harry opened his first chocolate frog card, it just happened to be Albus. Then he was gone. Ron said, "well what do you expect, he can't hang around all day." So to me, it seems that Albus can use the chocolate frog cards as he does with the portraits of past Headmasters. Just a theory & my opinion. What do ya think about it?
I just watched harry Potter for the 1st time of my choice the day after Christmas and I'm watching the final movie tonight. Im definitely gonna need a TH-cam channel that still dose theories till this day🤞🏾💕
I swear I saw this brought up as an idea in the discord like last week and BAM! Now it's a video! I love J and Ben and their care for us fans!
This is a great take.
Being wrong feels a *lot* like a part of you died. And just imagine, being wrong on such a deep level would be quite painful. Voldemort's ideology is what compels him, so in a sense it is him. For Dumbledore to be right would be the ultimate form of death--not just physical but his entire worldview and legacy.
“Scares the pants off him” 1) does Voldemort wear pants (in either the American or British sense)
2) I don’t want that image in my head
He feared Dumbledore because Dumbledore didn't fear him
What always bothered me was the significance of Slughorns memory. It was a main point of book 6, and all Dumbledore wanted with it is the actual number of horcruxes. He had to know that its horcruxes before. But assuming he ended up making exactly that number is just guesswork, how would they know? Seems like way too risky to just assume that. He could have just as well made 5 or 15, for all Dumbledore knows. And the plan is ruined if they miss a single one. Am I missing sth?
He knows the fortitude of Tom Riddle well, he’s not the type to alter his plans.
He makes a goal and sets out to achieve it.
Dumbledore already strongly suspected the number he was going for, just wanted confirmation as like you say he didn’t want to miss any out.
And of course he already knows it’s one more than Voldemort intended to create too.
Harry is the best person to go after the others as he’s in a position to know when Voldemort begins thinking about the location of any others once he’s aware they’re in danger so even if they were extras that were created Harry would have discovered them through Voldemort himself.
I think it's actually pretty clever. Voldemort for all of his faults has absolute faith in the power of magic and Dumbledore knows that. 7 is said to be the most magical number of all so it makes perfect sense to consider that's what he would end up going for.
@@TheKabuto90 It may make sense, but there is no way to know for sure. It is still complete guesswork.
I think dueling is the least of Dumbledore's threat. He is a better strategist, hides his intentions well, has impeccable timing, has always been able to stay a step ahead of Tom's plans and unravel them. He cannot be bribed, tempted with power, controlled or intimidated. Dubledore is an ineffable being in his mind, making him fear the unknown, just like he fears death.
Interesting theory! There is a fanfic, The Transmogrification of a Not-Yet-Lord, that offers another idea that I think you would enjoy. It challenges the initial assumptions Dumbledore and the headmistress of the orphanage make about Tom, that Tom was bullied first, and the outbursts were the result of fear and accidental magic. That rather than placing Tom with a magical family, he sent him back to a muggle orphanage, every summer, during WW2, when London was being bombed. That Tom found the chamber to try to hide at Hogwarts during the summer and Myrtle was an accident. That he fears Dumbledore because Dumbledore twisted everything he did into something evil, which became a self fulfilling prophecy.
I think in the books its mentioned that Dumbledore always saw right through him. Since the start. Since he started at hogwarts, Dumbledore had eyes on him even though he was just a professor. Tom Riddle I believe confirms this in Chamber of Secrets to Harry. Now, Dumbledore was at his peak when Voldy started at hogwarts. He could read Tom's mind and knew that theres so much evil. Only mistake of dumbledore was that he believed he can give love to Tom and change his heart. During his last years he probably HAD to learn Occlumency to protect himself against Dumbledore. When he learns that he defeated Grindlewald the most powerful dark wizard of that time, he had developed actual fear of Dumbledore. He knew if he were to beat Dumbledore, it would not be direct duel. Also I believe Voldemort tried coming back to hogwarts many times during first wizarding war but failed due to sheer presence of Dumbledore. This could be the reason we hear the words utter through out the series: "Hogwarts is the safest place while Dumbledore here." or "With Dumbledore gone, no one is safe at the school" (This one was many times whenever Dumbledore decided to "go away" like in 2nd book).
I always got the impression it wasn't that he feared Dumbledore, but more feared being vulnerable, and Dumbledore was always able to see through his charming and charismatic personality. Dumbledore was able to see the real Tom Riddle.
I love how Through the Griffin Door has been inspiring videos lately!
Also one thing I think you have to think about, when Voldemort claims that he has seen nothing to prove Dumbledore claim he is knowingly lying to him. Voldemort has seen this exact thing love stop the unblock killing curse, This prior failure combined with Dumbledore confidence is probably, and Dumbledore probably knows that which scares him even more.
I have an idea for a new what if. What if Draco never finished making the vanishing cabinet. We know that Dumbledore was lured to the astronomy tower by a death eater who got in via the cabinet, and I have a feeling Draco wouldn't have had the confidence to confront Dumbledore without the death eaters in the castle. Which could lead to multiple different changes in the story.
Harry, even though he didn't keep the elder wand, is stiill able to 'live forever' or 'conquer Death' because he has the cloak of invisibility. The only Peveral brother that successfully outsmarted Death was the one asked for the cloak by hiding from it.
I love how J's shirt is a play on the most famous line in The Sixth Sense ("I see dead people").
WhatIf Suggestion: What if Amos Diggory noticed Crouch, Jr's stunned body beneath the Dark Mark?
- Jr goes back to Azkaban
- Sr resigns in disgrace and might go to Azkaban as well
- Huge red flag that something nefarious is going on (not that that guarantees the MoM will do anything)
I guess Voldemort would have found some other way to get access to Harry, but with only Wormtail to rely on it would have been very difficult.
I'd go one step further and say because Tom Riddle wasn't born out of love ( rather pseudo love from a potion) that the idea of love is a treat to his own existence. Its a power he will never possess
I think Dumbledore was the closest thing Tom Riddle had to a real father-figure, and even as adults we are still hesitant to stand up to dad.
Why is he afraid?
Well, that's simple. See, back when Tom came to apply for DADA the second time, Dumbles thought it'd be great to play "got your nose"
And Moldy-Voldy took that personally...
I agree with everything in the video. But also. Voldemort knows that Dumbledore knows the prophecy, and he knows that Dumbledore is smart enough to ensure it comes to pass.
In Sorcerer’s Stone would Voldemort appear on the map when he’s on Quirrell’s head? If he does, would he show up as Tom or Voldemort?
I always figured Dumbledore was the only one Voldemort feared (at least until Harry) because Dumbledore was the only one who never feared Voldemort.
I thought dumbledore being able to kill him would lead for him to die and therefore Voldemorts biggest fear would be personified by his biggest fear
Dumbledore is the only person who could ever outsmart him. Dumbledore knows things Voldemort doesn't and Voldemort knows this. He may not be able to stop him, but he can tell Harry what he needs to know to defeat him.
When you think about it voldemort literally means “Flight of death” in french, “Vol de mort”, and dumbledore just casually letting himself get killed just to safe someone from the opposite team(draco, and yes ofcourse he was already going to die but i mean 1 day is 1 day alive)and to legitimate his spy’s position shows that the thing voldermort fears it most, which is death, is nothing for dumbledore, i think this is also important to note :)
Just a small mistake: When Voldemort went for the teaching job interview, Dumbledore called him Tom as always and Voldemort said that he is known by another name nowdays and Dumbledore said he knew that, as well as the rest of his activities.
🦄, to J and Ben,These H.P Stories are amazing! Keep it it going, so enjoying THROUGH THE GRIFFINDORE. So awesome. ❤
Finally someone else
Request: What if Draco and Harry were best friends instead of enemies? Or what if the Malfoys were poor deatheaters instead of rich.
I don’t think Voldemort fears dumbledore himself but fears dumbledores ability to seem to know EVERYTHING from the moment they met dumbledore instantly knew Tom was a bully and stealing from the other children. Dumbledore knew Tom opened the chamber and framed hagrid (he just couldn’t prove it and didn’t try because none of the other professors would have believed it as they were all fond of Tom) dumbledore always seemed 2 steps ahead of Voldemort. I think that’s what he feared
I am absolutely not hating on this theory, or any others, but I have to say, is this really a theory. Im pretty sure you have just taken away one of the key elements JK was trying to portray throughout the books regarding love. Im glad you made the video because it puts it in writing and clears the theme up for me - helping me enjoy HP even more, but this is more of a very interesting interpretation/ analysis of the story. I think this applies to some of your other theories to an extent too, for example Dumbledore's big plan which has completely improved my enjoyment of the series btw.
Dumbledore was a legend , vildemort was actually a powerful wizard so he had the sight to see how op Dumbledore was. average wizards don't get the full scope.
I think Voldemort was simply afraid of being bested by Dumbledore. A Horcrux only protects against death, not against being beaten in a duel (or potentially imprisoned, like Grindelwald). Which would be highly embarrassing for someone who believes so strongly he is the most powerful wizard ever.
Well-reasoned! You earned this:🦄
From my Narnia fandom, I'll pull this from _Voyage of the Dawn Treader:_ Voldemort didn't read the right kind of books when he was a kid.
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Voldemort also was conceived while his father is on the love potion. He really couldn't fathom what Dumbledore was he was saying. If Dumbledore is right, how will he gain something he can't understand.
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I like your theory more than mine.
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Dumbledore was never fooled by Tom Riddle. Tom was intimidated by Dumbledore before he even became voldemort. Dumbledore was never afraid of saying Voldemort's name, plus Dumbledore worked on taking voldemort down since voldemort came to power. Dumbledore knew that Hagrid was innocent but had no proof against Tom at the time.
And Dumbledore knew more than voldemort.
That still doesn't make sense. If all Voldermort cared about when it came to his fear of Dumbledore was his words of strengh. then just waiting for him to die would do it. AS you said Dumbledore dying wouldn't end love so i don't think it was that. Voldermort just simply considered him as a powerful wizard and was threatened by his power and influence. Cut the head of the sneak, cut the head of the lion.
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Maybe part of the fear comes from Voldemort fearing Dumbledore's power, when he did not know what it would be like to lose his body upon being killed. Even though he knew his horcruxes would keep him alive, prior to his downfall in Godric's Hollow, he would have probably still feared the concept. And after his resurrection, he knew for sure that that was not something he'd want to experience again, possibly further cementing his fear for Dumbledore.
You guys might have already explained this in a video, but I just thought of something. Would Madeye Moody have been able to see a bogart in its true form? In the Order of the Phoenix, Molly asks him to check if the creature in the writing desk is in fact a bogart.Moody confirms, and then Molly goes to get rid of it. The bogart couldn't see Moody though, and wouldn't have been able to transform into his greatest fear. So what did Moody see? And how did he know it was a bogart?
One thing i would add to your idea, is Ego. Voldy needs/obsessed with appearing to be the strongest and most feared. Example, in DH when all the death eaters flee once harry shows he still alive. Voldemorts persona of being this super power wizard is now thrown into question and his rule of fear means nothing when he cant even kill a child
You forgot the part where Voldy starts looking for the Elder wand, tracks down Grindelwald, only to discover that Dumbledore had defeated him and likely taken it.
11:53 , with the 16 inch wand I think the guy with the biggest stick is hagrid but idk
You also missed the point that, in the end, dumbledore still was the one who defeated voldemort ... he skillfully moved around everyone else and the events (often many years in advance), to bring the ending that happened. The only part he never planned ahead of time, was Draco owning the elder wand. even the memories, were carefully set up for harry to see and act on .... He knew it all ahead of time ... even allowing voldemort to kill harry, would simply create a new round of his mothers protection for all the others. The prophecy simply pointed dumbledore to who was gonna be the chess piece he eventually needed to win the game. Voldemort had lost before the second game even started ... and it was 100% over as soon as he used Harry's blood to remake his body, hence the look of triumph, and the removal of the only real risk of failure.
Actually, the prophesy states that neither can live while the other survives. It's totally possible that Voldemort could have killed Harry, but that someone could have finished off his other Horcruxes and killed him in a duel. It would still fulfill the prophecy, just as if some bad dark witch or wizard were to off Harry as an Auror in the year 2033 or something, Harry's defeat of Voldemort in 1998 would STILL fulfill the prophecy. In fact, Harry intentionally told Neville about the snake Horcrux, or at least to take it out, right before he assumed he was going to die, figuring "neither would live and neither would survive.". Harry intended after his Horcrux was gone and Voldemort let his guard down enough for Neville to take out the snake Horcrux, that Voldemort would be defeated by someone at the Battle of Hogwarts.
So, Voldemort could have killed Harry in year 5, but Dumbledore still found out about the Horcruxes and destroyed them, or as many as he could, telling Snape about the rest before his death from the cursed Ring, and Snape could have destroyed the Horcruxes and killed Voldemort. It's theoretically possible, however, that Dumbledore, since he knew about the Horcruxes since Harry's 2nd year, and knew they were in the plural since Harry's 4th year, that, possibly, he could have destroyed them all and defeated Voldemort in a duel, assuming he wasn't done in by the Ring by putting it on.
However, now that I think of it, the hope Dumbledore inspires, his power and hardness to defeat (which could prove bad for any Death Eaters that ran into him. Other than Snape, whom Dumbledore LET kill, nobody but Draco ever got so much as one up on him (and Draco just disarmed him.) None of the Death Eaters dared go for him directly, save Draco, who was forced to. And Dumbledore also lead the Order of the Phoenix, the main enemies of the Death Eaters.
I love hearing theory ideas on the podcast and then seeing the video pop up
Side note, but ive always loved how Albus, Grindelwald and at the end Harry call Voldemort "Tom".
dumbledore never gave into voldemort. he was a powerful wizard who defeated grindelwald, but yeah i think voldemort is overconfident to care. he knows dumbledore is still more experienced, and more wiser then him. Dumbledore is absolutely one of the most influential wizards to ever exist, and as he is stronger and has sharp foresight, is able to be both intimidating and forthcoming to everyone, Voldemort believes that killing Harry would be a lot more difficult then on the flip side.
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It’s because dumbledore fully knows him..he’s the only one that he spilled the beans to, and also dumbledore made his give back what he stole etc. in a way dumbledore was the only family he had..harry and Tom were very very similar in that way..they are after distant cousins that dumbledore shaped/tried to shape
They leave out all the times Dumbledore apparated into Tom Riddle at night.
Knowing Voldermort he probably looked up the history between dumbledore and grindlewald, maybe he compared his powers with his a lil knowing he was a Big problem before he ever was and dumbledore was the one responsible for this demise. Also Dumbledore was a person who randomly came in his life and the only person who understood his powers as a kid, maybe he saw him as a wizard father that's a wild one to throw out there but its kinda true
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