15 Major Harry Potter PLOT HOLES
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- Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today we’re discussing PLOT HOLES. It shouldn’t come as any sort of a surprise that, even within the captivating wizarding universe, astute readers and viewers have stumbled upon perplexing plot holes. And these gaps in the narrative, where certain details seem to defy logic or leave unanswered questions, have sparked lively debates among Harry Potter enthusiasts.
Today we’ll embark on a quest to dissect some of the most intriguing plot holes that have left fans scratching their heads. Diving in to these mysteries, examining the inconsistencies and seeking to find plausible explanations or theories that help to reconcile these discrepancies. A few of the more common ‘plot holes’ identified by fans actually have simpler explanations than you may think.
Anyway, I won’t dawdle any longer, let’s dive in to it.
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With the map, I've always thought if it could insult Snape it could also teach how to use it. It felt as if the Twins were mischievous enough to entrust itself to. And since the Twins give it to Harry, they're basically entrusting it to another mischievous person and that's why it works for Harry.
My big plot hole is that after Draco disarms Dumbledore the next person to disarm draco was Hermione so doesnt that make her the true master of the elder wand and Harry never was? What do you think?
1: tbh i believe that due to voldemort strong believe that hes best legilamence he didnt went for unbreakable vows with his deatheaters. or tho you could say he used it or at least similiar thing on peter by giving him hand after all when peter betrayed him, he got killed by the hand
3: because you also have charm colloportus which closes the doors and im preaty sure that depending on the power of the caster of this charm it can protect from alohomora if caster of alohomora is weaker tha caster of colloportus (i imagine it as 2 forces acting on eachother depending on which is stronger the one wins)
4. it was said that magic creates some sort of force field of disturbance that makes mugole devices not work properly but it might just be that simple devices could still work. for example colin camera is the old type that uses film and doesnt have any electronics in it thus it works but if he had digital camera it would not work similar even that comes to mind are solar flair activity or emp
5. map has some sort of awareness. when snape tries to read it it not only knows its snape but it also knows how marauders would react to snape trying to read map. its possible that fred and george tried same spell on map that snape did but cause their agenda was to cause mischief without bringing real harm to anyone i believe that map would either directly tell them the password or lead them to finding it by series of questions
6. trace was always effective. but harry got warning only in 2nd and 5th year cause ministry to their best knowledge knew that at the time of harry using spell he was only wizard in area. all they had to do was inform ministry that wizards would be in little winging and ministry would have ignored the trace alert assuming that it was that wizard that casted the spell not harry same as underage true born wizards could easily cast spells all time and not get warnings cause its their parents who would be assigned the spell cast
7. harry didnt know he had a mirror untill after sirius death. sirius gave him package and told him to open it later when he will be alone. harry put it in his trunk and than forgot about it. only during packing after 5th year ended he found the package, opened it and realized that he had that means of communication. harry didnt forget about mirror itself but about the gift. additionally harry didnt acted on his fear alone but alson on the lie of kreacher who he talked to by using umbridge fire place
8. hohoho now you done it. students with minimal training? there is at best one student in many generations at hogwarts smart enough to be able to brew polyjuice potion. in the entire series i doubt anyone but hermione could have done it counting students only. and there are ingredients that are. also there are ways to counter the pollyjuice potion but most important its impractical cause you have to use it every hour. anyway it is posible for sirius to get it and use it but its simpler to just use other order members that dont have to use it
11. portkeys can but doesnt have to have set specific time of departure. the cup was actually double portkey. firstly it was enchanted to teleport winner to the start of the maze after he touches it. after that additional enchantment was put by barty to teleport harry to the cemetary after he wins taking priority over first enchantment but not removing it. thats why harry was able to return to hogwarts using it cause otherwise portkeys are one way teleporters but barty did not remove the original enchantment cause voldemort plan was to send harry body back after he kills him so people think harry died in maze and so voldemort can regain his strenght and army in secret before he is strong enough to take over the ministry and dumbledore
12. its because veritaserum like legilamance can be fought and broken additionally its very complex potion. additionally serum would not be used on people like black cause he was not prosecuted but instead send immediately to azkaban without a trial
13. sirius blamed himself for lili and james death. ha had no reason to live and basically was punishing himself untill he realized that peter is still alive
14. you literally explained how its not a plothole at all :D
overall pretty shitty video but i was bored so i watched it to point out your mistakes
Look, HPT, if you're THAT bothered by these perceived plot holes, why not email JK Rowling HERSELF, DIRECTLY?
One more "plot hole" we discussed with friends was how Pettigrew came into possession of Voldy's wand. But the reasonable explanation would be that Voldy brought him with to make sure he wasn't lying, and he stashed Voldy's "drop" to have a bargaining chip with the Death Eaters, while possibly calling in reinforcements from the Order after the dust settled to kinda alibi himself.
The camera one is fairly easy to explain, it isn't that any muggle technology doesn't work but only electronic devices that don't work at Hogwards (like electronic bugs or walkie-talkies as examples from the series). Harry Potter was based in the 90s, back then cameras were mechanical and chemical which means that they would mostly be unaffected, the flash is the part that may not work as they have been electric for some time. It wasn't until the mid 2000s that digital cameras became the norm and those would not work at around Hogwarts.
It’s obvious that Colin’s camera is a magic camera, that takes moving pictures like the ones in the Daily Prophet and the one with Harry’s parents dancing. Duh.
@@whiplashfatigue1430the moving picture bit came from a special potion used to develop the photos. Colin explained that an older student had offered to teach him.
@@whiplashfatigue1430 the way the Collin says when taking the picture of Harry and Prof. Lockhart it is a magic potion used to develop the photos is where the magic comes from. To me it reads as the Collin's camera is a muggle one and Collin is delighted that his normal camera can make moving pictures. I will admit that it is true that books and movies don't say either way and Collin's parents could have bought him a magic camera as a present but I would doubt that.
I suspect that you are right with the Daily Prophet photographer's camera is probably magic as wizzards have a bad habbit of making muggle stuff magical despite it being illegal brooms and trains for example :)
The flash on Colin's camera looks like a powder-based flash, such as they used when taking school photographs at my primary school in the 1960s, so that wouldn't have been affected by the magical field at Hogwarts either.
the hogwarts express and the weasley car are both mechanical systems and enchanted with magic
using trends within a work to analyze other aspects of the work:
the camera was a muggle origin camera, enchanted by magic
lore wise: why? because it is probably the lazy way to make magic moving pictures compared to the pure magic way; and people muggle or mage possess laziness
Here's a question, if Hermione's parents were able to exchange muggle money for wizarding money to buy her school supplies why doesn't Harry ever exchange some of his wizarding money for muggle money when he went home for summer vacation so he'd have money to buy clothes instead of wearing Dudley's old clothes?
Huh..... great question tbh 🤣
Doesn't want them to know he has money
My question is how did she and her parents make it to the bank?
I think part of it would be Petunia would just take it from him and give the clothes to Dudley.
Iirc it was mentioned in book 1 that he didn't want them to know anything about the money for those very reasons
My theory regarding Harry and the Dementors, is that he is a horcrux. He's not just getting his own worst memory, but Voldemort's, as they would likely be the exact same moments. The death of Lily, followed in seconds by the destruction of Voldemort's body.
So he has two souls being affected by the Dementors, and gets a sort of feedback from it, like holding a microphone in front of the speaker its connected to.
indeed, because if his memeory was good enough for that to be his worst memory for dementor, then he shouldve seen thestrals from the beginning
but if its actually the memory from voldermort shard that dementor is actively pulling and it is also affecting him as a side effect, than the passive death cloak of the thestral would hold unless harry had tried to channel power using morty shard (not that he would have cause to)
@idminister to be fair some do have memory like that.
I described my room from our home when I was 2 years old to my mom 10+ years later, having lived in a different place for most of that time.
And that wasn't a traumatic memory, just the layout of it.
@@terakhanthis i understand what you are saying, but that wasnt quite the point I was trying to make. The point wasnt whether he could or could not recall, but rather how to have consisentcy regarding the rules of magic in HP that would provide and unified and consisent ruling on why in magic situation A the memory did not apply yet in magic situation B it did.
your point is more related to whether the capacity for either to occur even existed, not one occuring and the other not
niceee, maybe he hears tom screaming in agony :D but tis clearly stated its a womans voice tho
I like that analogy.
For Sirius not escaping Azkaban sooner, if I recall correctly, Sirius never even thought of escaping until he saw Peter in the Weaselys' picture; he used his dog form to stay sane and not lose his mind to the dementors, but didn't even think of the possibility of escaping until he saw the picture and realized he had failed to kill Peter, so the desire to escape kind of came as a realization that he hadn't yet finished what he originally set out to do (which was to kill Peter in revenge for betraying the Potters)
Exactly. He didn't leave to clear his name -- he didn't care. He wanted his justice/revenge for James and Lily.
I don't know about "using his dog form to stay sane", i heard that the only thing he had that made him stay sane is the thought that he is not guilty of what happened to Potters
@@kanyew3stIover911 it was a combination of the two I think. The dog form made his emotions simpler and harder for the dementors to detect, while the knowledge that he was innocent gave him something to focus on and remember who he was
@@kanyew3stIover911 combination of the two. knowing that he was not guilty kept him sane enough to start getting his power back. and when he got enough of his power, he could transform into a dog in order to "escape" or "hide" from the dementors. when he saw Peter was alive and close to Harry, that gave him a motivation. it snapped him out of the despair, and and gave him something to live for. to escape for. to save his god son.
Harry couldn’t have used the mirror to talk to Sirius because he didn’t know about it. He never opened the package and didn’t know what it was until after Sirius had died.
That’s not a plot hole, it’s a plot device. It’s supposed to make Harry feel even more guilty for Sirius’ death considering how easily it could have been avoided.
But later in the book Harry talks to Sirius and Lupin through Umbridge's fireplace, so at that moment why didn't Sirius just ask him why he wasn't using the mirror? It would have been logical for Sirius to ask why he was using a risky method like the fireplace and not the mirror. It's a plot hole for me
@@emanuelenegroni6824This is exactly what bothered me in the story! I'm glad that I am not the only one who noticed this.
@@emanuelenegroni6824 given the nature of their conversation and how abruptly it ended, the matter just never came up.
Harry was upset about something and he and Sirius and Lupin immediately got into that conversation.
Then they found out that he was no longer having occlumency classes and that was an urgent matter.
And then he had to go because someone (filch) was coming.
Besides all that, Sirius gave Harry the mirror without Lupin's knowledge, and the latter would surely have disapproved. So Sirius won't ask about it in his presence.
Sirius gave him the present and TOLD HIM that it was a way to get in touch if Snape gave him problems, Harry actually didn't open the present because he didn't want Sirius to get mad, come storming to hogwarts and get killed. Theoretically he did know for a while that it was a way to contact Sirius, and I could easily see this being the opposite of how you forget things you intend to do - do you remember things you DON'T intend to do?
Came here to say this, too. I just reread OOTP a few days ago and didn’t realize that Harry never opened the mirror until after Sirius was gone. It definitely works to magnify his guilt.
In the book Harry tried to contact Sirius first but kreacher told him he wasn’t there
what I didn't get is why Haryy not physically transported there instead just face in the fire. He could search for Sirius instead of relying on what Kreacher said.
@@zeroanimation3956 I mean yea but he did already see the vision and when kreacher said that it pretty much confirmed it for harry even tho he was wrong
Yeah. Crazy how this guy didn’t know that
Yeah, the book said Sirius was upstairs tending to Buckbeak when Harry "called" so he had no idea, and Kreature took advantage of this to deceive him. If he went there bodily to search for him, he would have left his friends behind at the mercy of Umbridge. It's also entirely possible he couldn't. There might have magical safeguards preventing full-body floo travel to and from the castle, while still allowing for partial use for communication. It would have been a similar line of protection and reasoning as the apparition block. Keep the kids in and bad elements out.
If harry would have gone all the way through the fire to Grimald's place, he would never have gotten caught by Umbridge. He also could have looked through the house to make sure Sirius wasn't there.
There is also the problem of a house under the fidalious charm being connected to the flu network in the first place.
I doubt the map had a true password. Rather F&G struck up a conversation with the map until eventually pledging their mischievousness to it, which was good enough for its Marauder authors. If Harry had just told the map that he wanted to prank Snape, it would have revealed itself to him. If a password was truly required, it wouldn't surprise me if the map just offered it up to F&G once it understood their nature.
Yea and authority figures would never be able to convince the map of their mischief so it makes perfect sense
Also F&G are exceedingly brilliant. It seems perfectly plausible that they just…. Figured out how to activate it.
I don't think F&G stole the map. They were given the map, like Harry was, but they just wanted to look cool and made up that story.
@@cameronmynhier2628I mean that is a phrase they could say aloud to one another with the map sitting near by.
Peeves told them. Imo
I think Sirius stayed in Azkaban because despite being innocent, he still blamed himself to some degree. Remember, he was originally going to be the Potter's secret keeper but convinced them to change the plan and make Peter Pettigrew the secret keeper, instead. It's possible that he felt some responsibility for what happened and so stayed in Azkaban as a way of punishing himself for that mistake.
Not to mention the presence of dementors who would have surely reinforced that sentiment.
To an extent I get that, but I'd think that Azkhaban is so dreadful that even the most self-hating person would have snapped after a short time and said "Eff this, I'm innocent." and escaped if they had the means to do so. Yes, the Dementors cause depression, which can make people feel hopeless, but many people with depression will try to escape the pain.
Edit for bizarre misspelling. But really, the Wizarding World does sometimes seem "safe-hating". 🤣🤣🤣
I literally came to the comments to write this same exact thing. This has been my headcanon all this time and makes most sense to me.
Doesn't he address this himself? That until he knew Peter Pettigrew was a serious threat to Harry and knowing that he was literally the only person with that knowledge, he couldn't really muster the will to try to leave? The imminent threat to Harry's life was what fuelled him. Think about the life he had until his name was cleared. Living off rats and constantly on the run. Which you could argue he was able to survive because at least he knew he had friends and a godson that needed him and potentially a future in which his name is finally cleared. Without the fuel that the situation of Peter and Harry gave him, he would be trying to leave a place devoid of hope knowing that he's escaping to a completely purposeless and isolated life in which literally everyone also hates him and is out to get him and with the tiniest chance that that might ever change. Makes sense to me that he wouldn't be able to do it until he saw Peter.
Another plothole: lack of refereeing in the quidditch matches.
Harry's broom is bewitched by Quirrell to try and kick him off?
Madam Hooch: I sleep
Rogue bludger attacks Harry the entire game?
Madam Hooch: I sleep
Hundreds of dementors invade the pitch (yes the book specifically says at least ONE HUNDRED)
Madam Hooch: I sleep
Seamus Gorman came up with a great idea on Peter Pettigrew not having been spotted by the twins on the map: perhaps only Marauders can see other Marauders on the map. In the book, Harry has never noticed Pettigrew on the map, it was Lupin who did. Knowing the Marauders were up for mischief, making themselves invisible to anyone else would make sense
‘I’ve just been to your office, Lupin. You forgot to take your Potion tonight, so I took a gobletful along. And very lucky I did … lucky for me, I mean. Lying on your desk was a certain map. One glance at it told me all I needed to know. I saw you running along this passageway and out of sight.’
@@pointystories582 ooooh well spotted!!!
Perhaps the twins never noticed Peter Pettigrew on the map because he was disguised in the rat/animagus form. Lupin being one of the creators of the map would however be able to see him. Maybe a precaution done by the mauraders so they never were to be seen on the map when transformed by others than themselves.
@@pointystories582 the map was opened by Lupin, he forgot to "mischief manage", its like he forgot to log off his profile, so Snape could look through Lupin's log in and see Peter
I also came up with the same theory and adjust it so it fit also the movie logic. This includes that also bloodlines of the marauders can see other marauders. This means Harry was able to notice Peter Pettigrew on the map as well.
i always rationalised Voldemort not using the vow as if someone betrayed him he didn't want then to just die he wanted to torture them. that and him being to full of himself
Death is too good for those who betray me!
Voldemort would not have used the Unbreakable Vow, because it would also have put Voldemort himself in jeopardy of death.
@@arinerm1331 The vows can be one way... Just like Snape made a vow but there was nothing he asked for in return. Voldemort making the death eaters vow to "never betray me" doesn't put his life at risk since he has made no vow to the other person. Personally I just think that he would see it as weakness to have to rely on something like the unbreakable vow. It would be him admitting that he knows they aren't loyal to him.
@@fallendeus You have made a great point. Also, Voldemort was one of the best Legilimens ever, and even at a young age. Snape was only able to use Occlumency by cloaking his lies in his love for Lily, and Narcissa was able to do the same by cloaking her lie in her love for her son.
It’s just because it requires physical contact with another human.
i love how the explanation of Harry not witnessing his parents dying as a baby so therefore can not understand death and then in the very next element talks about the trauma of harry witnessing his parents death and why the Dementors effect him. lol
That wasn’t his worst moment it was voldemorts.
In my view, the most glaring plothole of the series is the Seven Potters ploy to remove Harry from Privet Drive. There is a loosely related plothole about Hermione, but they corrected hers in the movie. Harry could simply have walked away under the Invisibility Cloak, which was still in his possession and would have hidden him from death itself. Upon reaching a reasonable distance, he could have used any transportation he wanted.
Hermione was of age at the point of the Seven Potters. She didn't have the track on her as she was 17 in September of their 6th year. The invisibility cloak wouldnt't cover the trace on Harry
@@sophieirwin3497 Yeah, Hermione's plothole was that she'd erased her parents' memories of Hermione and planted the idea that they want to live in Australia, yet when the Death Eaters attacked the trio in the coffee shop, book-Hermione said she knew in theory how to wipe memories, so she thinks she may be able to do it.
He could have travelled in the trunk of a taxi. It worked for Pablo Escobar. And Harry could have used the invisibility cloak, too, for the off chance that anyone opened the trunk.
@@arinerm1331i always wondered when watching that scene in the movie if her parents ever questioned why they had so many empty picture frames in their house.. or if she had any grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc who would ask them “hey hows heromine doing?” and they’d just be like “who is heromine..?”
Yeah, in book 3, harry considered flying to London under the cloak. Why not just do that after walking away? Sure the Death Eaters would know when the protection broke but they couldn’t have found one guy who is invisible.
Here’s one massive plot hole: Wormtail is an animagus who transforms into a small rodent. We need to transport him back to the castle without allowing him to transform into said small rodent. What would the best way to accomplish this be? Could we maybe petrify him? Stun him? Heck, conjure a magical case to confine him, a bit like Voldemort did for Nagini? Naaah, we’ll just use handcuffs, the kind he can easily escape from if he transforms.
Put him in an unbreakable jar
Yh it was ridiculous
I think in the book he had a spell on him that made him require a wand to undo the spell to then allow him to transform and they handcuffed him to make sure he didn't make an attempt
@@vladorkiba1718 Nope, the closest they come to addressing it is telling him that they will kill him if he tries to transform. At any rate, he never got hold of a wand that whole time.
I’d consider this more of an oversight than an actual plot-hole, but definitely ridiculous.
Yes, Harry forgot about the mirror but he did try to contact Sirius before he went to the Ministry. He broke into Umbridge’s office so he could use her fire to contact Sirius at Grimmauld Place. Kreacher “answered the fire” (I’m not sure how else to describe it…) and lied to Harry and said Sirius wasn’t there. It was only after Kreacher lied that Harry (plus Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Neville and Luna) went to the Ministry.
Also Harry didn´t know that he had the mirror. He opened the package after Sirius died. He knew that the package contained some kind of way to contact Sirius but he swore to himself that he would never use that.
7:59 you also have to remember that Harry already had a vision of Mr. Weasley being in trouble and that turned out to be true. If Harry hadn't taken action like he did Arthur probably would have died and he himself admits that.
So now the same thing is happening with Sirius, Harry has no reason to think this is any different. It makes perfect sense for him to act in haste as he did and for him to not even consider using the mirror.
There’s another explanation for Voldemort not using unbreakable vows: he can’t make an example out of somebody who drops dead. When people turned on him he made a point of torturing them and everyone around them, either directly or though his followers. His horrific acts are why people became afraid of him to the point of not even saying his name, and he used that fear to control people whether they followed him or not.
Or Bellatrix and Snape are playing 3d chess. Bellatrix is trying to protect Draco and goad Snape into agreeing, while Snape undeestands that an cathes two birds with one Stone - make Bellatrix belive in his loyalities not being with Dumbeldore and fullfill Dumbeldores orders
I have a better one. "He didn't want to"
1 - Voldemort's ego seems to be the de facto reason for why he keeps screwing up, so it's a perfectly reasonable explanation
2 - A good theory is that the Marauders are visible only to themselves on the map, which tracks with their behavior. And while Harry does see Peter this is only a thing in the movie, so not really a plot hole in the book and, in any case, him being the son of one of the Marauders might let him see them too.
3 - Are we sure Alohomora is taught to first year students? Hermione knows the spell, but she's known precisely for being able to master advanced magic.
4 - Cameras are a thing in the wizarding world. Wizards take pictures all the time. How is this a plot hole? Muggle technology isn't useless in Hogwarts, _electronics_ are, and Colin is using and old film camera, not a digital one. While a camera's flashbulb requires an electrical contact to work it doesn't use any complicated circuitry.
5 - A popular theory for this is that the Marauders specifically planted the map in Filch's office as a way to let a new generation of troublemakers make good use of it. The map was likely enchanted to hint about its use to those who were willing to use it for mischief, kinda like how Dumbledore enchanted the mirror of Erised to read into the looker's intentions.
6 - The trace isn't really inconsistent, it's just extraordinarily ineffective for its main purpose, but otherwise it works as intended. Sure, we're not told about any effects when members of the Order use it, but it's very likely they could just have alerted the Ministry that they were going to move Harry out of the premises. While they weren't getting along at the time, it would have made sense to do so precisely to avoid more trouble for Harry, since he was already put in trial. Same when Arthur visited the Dursleys in the previous year. Since he had already connected their fireplace to the Floo network it's clear they knew he'd be the one doing magic there.
7 - Absolutely not a plot hole. The book makes it very clear that Harry simply forgot the mirror existed and he was the only one besides Sirius to know it existed. Hell, Harry had never even used the mirror before, so he had no reason to think of it.
8 - Only really a plot hole in the movie, and the entire Fantastic Beasts trilogy is full of them, so I don't know if we should really take them into account.
9 - OK, again with the "students with minimal training" thing. It's Hermione. It's always Hermione who does these things. Her entire shtick is that she's exceptionally adept to magic, able to master spells that much more advanced students or even adults cannot manage. You gotta stop pretending that just because she does something it means it's easy. But even then, how is Sirius gonna be making the potion? It needs hard to find ingredients (and being a dog isn't gonna be much help finding them) and has to be cooked for like a month. Considering that no one else wants him to leave the place and he has a domestic elf trashing the place all the time I don't see this as a viable option.
10 - But... w-why? You have literally the explanation for why this is not a plot hole right there, why even include this on the list?
11 - It's never established that Neville was present when his parents were tortured. Harry was there when his parents were killed. While he didn't _see_ them die he did hear their voices (and Voldemort's) which generated repressed memories his younger self couldn't understand but were still on the back of his mind once he was grown enough to understand the events.
12 - Is it really so hard to understand that portkeys can be created to work at a specific time for convenience reasons but that doesn't mean it's the only way they can work? It's obvious the Triwizard cup was set to be used when touched and not at a particular time frame. You can claim this is a mystery (even though no, it isn't), but calling it a plot hole is pushing it.
13 - This is probably the only actual plot hole in the whole list. While I could come up with a reasonable explanation there's nothing in the story to back it up. Snape's only words about it is that its use is watched by the Ministry, but doesn't say anything about it being hard to make or possible to resist. Like, you could make the case that powerful wizards can resist it (sort of like with the Imperius curse) and it only worked on Crouch because he was completely unprepared for it (he wasn't even conscious when forced to drink it in the book) but, again, nothing in the books even hints to it.
14 - Again, literally explained in the book. Not a plot hole.
15 - Jesus. OK, first, we're introduced to Cho in Prisoner of Azkaban, not Goblet of Fire. She only becomes more prominent in the latter. Second, you literally make the point that there's a different explanation for this in the book and the movie. You have _two_ explanations for it, why would you even call this a plot hole?
This is killing me. As much as I like the Harry Potter series, I know these books are full to the brim of plot holes, yet you make a list comprised nearly entirely of nitpicks or perfectly explained story bits.
Thanks
#9 - Another reason why people would want Sirius to stay at Grimauld Place is that so Snape could truthfully tell the Death Eaters that Sirius was trapped and useless. If Sirius himself was aware of this reason he'd break out just to make Snape's life difficult, of course.
I thought it was said that animagus cannot take polyjuice potion. To become one, you have to hold the leaf of a magical plant (that's also an ingredient in polyjuice potion) under your tongue for a full moon to full moon or something, and it alters how your body is effected by transfiguration etc. I think it makes them immune to the effects afterwards.
@@lxxvx I hadn't heard that one that I can recall, but it could be.
1 - I mentioned in a different comment that the Vow is shown in the movie entwining both wrists, so it's possible that the spell does affect both, even if only one is bound by the Vow, and that Voldemort may not want to put that many spells on himself. But I also thought of another reason: you have to hold hands, and I bet Voldy really would hate that.
7:19 he did try and communicate with Sirius through the floo network
Wait... so Harry was "Too young to internalise the death of his parents to see the horse thing but... can remember his mother's scream?
🔔 8:01 Theory: McGonagall's age was utterly disregarded and the character was inserted into that movie simply as a crass device to try to get more viewers from amongst those who were not overly keen on the prequels: "McGonagall's in it! You've GOT to see it!"
My theory is that it was her mother, after whom she was named.
@@tailkinker1972 🔔 Not bad. I hope it's true. I like that idea far better than the movie makers deliberately ignoring the established timeline for the sake of trying to squeeze a few extra dollars out of the franchise.
@@Rocket_Man232 It's not. Isobel Ross, later McGonagall married a Muggle and during this time lived with him in the Muggle world and had post-partum depression.
I thought the polyjuice potion was supposed to be a relatively unknown potion since they only got the recipe from a book in the restricted section. It's also stated that is a "complex concoction" and the potion is successfully brewed by Hermione who, though inexperienced, also happens to be a brilliant student. Also, the ingredients are not easy to come by and how long it covers your appearance depends on how well done it was.
This guy didn’t even read the book lol
Have you read Order of the Phoenix? In the Summer before Harry’s fifth year, Sirius gave Harry a gift. Sirius told Harry to use this when he needs him. So Harry put the gift with the rest of his stuff and forgot about it. Over the course of the school year when Harry needed to contact Sirius, he wrote him letters or used a fireplace to speak to him through the flu network. When Harry has the vision, he snuck into Umbridge’s office to use her unmonitored fireplace to check if Sirius was at home. Kreature answered and lied to Harry and said Sirius was not there. Then all of the stuff at the ministry happened and Sirius died. When Harry was putting his stuff back together at the end of the school year, he found the gift. He opened it and it was the two way mirror. The communication method was not “established earlier in the series”. Harry didn’t even know it existed. Yes he had the method but he didn’t know because he never opened the gift. But during all the times Harry and Sirius communicated in other methods during Harry’s fifth year, Sirius should have told Harry to open the gift and use the mirror.
This video makes me feel you don't have enough Harry Potter knowledge
That book was so horrendously boring to read that I skipped it and don’t regret it.
The mirror was not given to Harry until Christmas break. Not the summer before. Now I don't clearly remember but I think that the last time Sirius talks to Harry before the ministry fight was during that time.
@@moonlitmungoose1757 yeah I was just reminded of that earlier today actually. But that’s further proof that the mirror was not “established earlier in the series”. It was just halfway through the school year. I do remember him not opening it until after Sirius had already died. So he still didn’t know he had that method of communicating with Sirius until it was too late.
@@moonlitmungoose1757 I was going to say the same thing but actually Harry talked to Sirius and Lupin in Umbridges fireplace after Harry saw Snapes memory about James and Sirius.
The two way mirror isn’t a plot hole. Sirius did not show Harry what it was, just vaguely described it as a way to let him know if Snape is giving him a hard time, in which case Harry said he wouldn’t use it because he didn’t want Sirius risking his life to fight with Snape. He ultimately forgets about it as a lot of teenagers would forget about gifts they didn’t intend on using. This makes the whole end of the book that more tragic that Harry had such a simple and effective way of checking to make sure Sirius was ok. I’m not sure about anyone else but the first time I read the book I also forgot Sirius gave Harry a method of communication so I felt the moment of tragic irony with Harry
I am almost positive he actually did explain it. He told Harry that he had to look in it, and say Sirius's name. I don't have my copies on hand, just the audiobook, but I'll try to verify. Almost positive.
@@augoosto11 he may have. What I more meant was Sirius never said “Harry, this is a two way mirror.” He did put it in the card though.
@@joshc9453 I mean, if he told him how it works, and how to use it, why does it matter if he told him what it's called formally?
@@augoosto11 Well the exact line of the book is “Use it if you need me, it’s a way of letting me know if Snapes giving you a hard time”. It was a very poor explanation. I’m also pointing out that it would be normal for 15 year old to forget about a gift that he pre determined he’d never open. Also, after Sirius gives Harry the mirror, Harry sneaks into Umbridges office to use her fire. You’d think the first thing Sirius would say is “Harry, why didn’t you use the mirror?”
@@augoosto11 The main point I’m trying to make is that it’s not a plot hole. It was done very intentionally and the way the mirror is revealed makes the whole situation even more tragic.
Why is Harry considered a Half-Blood when both of his parents were magically inclined?
Harry's mom was a muggle-born. That means it doesnt count because Lily didnt have any wizard relatives or family, so it would've been weird to call Harry a pure-blood.
One of the biggest plot holes is how do teachers like McGonagall, Flitwick and Snape have time to teach their subject and be head of house?
If they have 7 years with 4 houses(who often pair up for classes) they would teach 14 separate classes multiple times a week.
Some classes are extra long, like double potions. All I know is that the time tables don't add up in my head, unless some teachers have time turners or they never have any down time.
Nope, year 6 and 7 are only one class each. Maybe they don't teach each class twice a week? Plus, they have servants and they don't do much in their head of house function except for giving lectures and detention, do they?
The one about the Marauders Map always bugged me too. While more of a post hoc rationalization, I think the answer lies with Snape. We can see that that map has the ability to detect things about the one attempting to use it. When Snape tried, it referred to him as "Professor Snape", which he wasn't when the map was created. It also seemed to know enough to insult him accurately. Perhaps the map could discern that Fred and George were mischief makers and revealed it's own password to them.
n the "Harry Potter" books, it is explained that the Marauders' Map only reveals the names of those whom the creators of the map knew personally. Since Peter Pettigrew was believed to be dead for many years and was living in his Animagus form as Scabbers, he was not recognized by Harry or the map.
@@TheLethalDiva - My comment wasn't about Pettigrew (who did appear on the map when it was plot-relevant for him to in Year 3). It was about the twins ability to use the map without instructions when they stole it from Filch. It was able to sense things about Snape to effectively insult him as he is at present (such as referring to him as "Professor"). It likely was also able to detect that Fred and George were mischief makers and conveyed the instructions to them.
@@hollyhartwick3832 Not only are they mischief makers but I'd say their geniuses at what they do and that probably helped them figure out the map as well.
@@TheLethalDiva - If nothing else, it may have at least helped them discern it wasn't dangerous, given their mother's warning to her children about meddling with things that can communicate and you can't see where it keeps it's brain. Even if it revealed the solution willingly, you know that warning bell was ringing in their mother's voice. They would have likely put it through some tests to make sure it was safe to use.
And for me the worst aspect of the movies is the failure at the end of the 3rd to reveal the authors of the Marauders’ Map
It's assumed that Peter's name just didn't appear on the map to anyone outside of the Mauraders themselves while he was a rat at this point. Harry only saw it in the movies - that never happened in the book.
Actually the twins saw Ron with Peter multiple times, but didn't question it. Probably thought Ron might be gay.
I always figured that their names did appear on the map, just on the front and using their aliases instead. So where Ron would appear on the map as a set of human footprints with “Ronald Weasley” next to it, Peter was showing up as a tiny set of rat footprints with no name tag (and “Wormtail” was next to the names “Mooney”, “Prongs”, and “Padfoot” on the cover).
So the Marauders would know to keep an eye out for mysterious unnamed footprints that might not always be human, but no one else would even know about that quirk.
The only time anyone notices someone who is not supposed to be there is when Harry sees Barty Jr lurking in Snapes office as Moody while he was stealing ingredients for the potion
@@balrighty3523love that. Good point.
beeing one of the creators of the map and potenitaly having seen it in the hands of the twins i would think that he would have a way to hide his name on the map or maybe have it apear at other locations. i would have done something like that if i made it incase it landed in the wrong hands and the person found out how to use it.
The very first chapter of the very first book starts on 1. November, Tuesday. So the books can't start in 1980 or 1981 - 1. November wasn't a Tuesday in those years. It was in 1983 or 1988, for example.
Of all the plot holes in hp this is the worst
All days of the week in Harry Potter are always wrong. J. K. Rowling has the dates, then has the days of the week be whatever she needs them to be. So much so in fact, that in the first edition of book 4 there were two mondays in a row! The first and second of September 1994. Of course that instance was changed, but this type of error remains throughout.
@@pointystories582 Well, at least here is some consistency. If Harry is 1 year old when the books start, and 1. November is a Tuesday, in his 4th year in Hogwarts 1. September would indeed be a Monday. All the more reason why the reader should believe that the books start in 1983 or 1988 or something like that. Harry's 4th year would then be 1997.
Although I can't find anything about this in the 4th book. The only Monday mentioned is the Quidditch world cup final, but there is no date, at least not in the book. It's a Monday, but we don't know which Monday.
I think Neville's lack of reaction to the dementors makes sense to me as he knew the truth of his parents from the moment he could understand. His grandmother never hid anything from him. Harry, at 11, was surprised with a whole host of changes to what he thought was the truth of his life. I have to imagine he was still coming to terms with things in a lot of ways, and hadn't had as much time to process all of it.
Gred and Forge didn't notice Ron sleeping with a guy named Peter...lol.... Zing...
Polyjuice potion is one of the most complicated potions to make and takes over 30 days. Hermione did manage to make it in her 2nd year but she was the smartest witch of her age.
and the Order of the Phoenix is not? Sirius could have at least used some transfiguration to disguise himself
@@udraj914 My understanding is becoming an animagus effects how transfiguration spells work on a person
Neville and Dementors. Neville didn't have nearly the same horrible life Harry did. His parents were still alive, he got to see them. Even if they weren't able to know who he was and obviously its still horribly sad. But he was raised by family that loved him. He had lots of Uncles and Aunts. He received Trevor from his uncle for instance. Harry on the other hand was raised by people who despised him. He was bullied constantly by his cousin. He had no friends in school. Had Harry grown up in a loving home even though his parents were murdered the dementors likely wouldn't have the same effect as the do. Harry knew almost no joy before joining the wizarding world.
And even if not, Harry was present when his parents died, Neville wasn't. If he was I'm sure the Death Eaters would have used him as a leverage when torturing his parents.
But this in my opinion disproves that Rowlings' theory about witnessing death in order to see thestrals. It just seems too convenient that for the purposes of dementors Harry experienced the death of his parents (I know about the horcrux in him theory, and it is a good one) but for the purposes of thestrals he needed to understand it
@@kukinko8 What's crazier is that he remembers the EXACT conversation Voldemort had with his parents before killing each one of them, yet he didn't "witness" it for the Thestrals
@@denisucuuu That can be explained as it's voldemorts memory just like when voldy killed tom the gardener harry saw it in book 4 but couldn't see them yet, he has to personally witness it and he hadn't untill cedric, the films do a good job at showing harry's flashbacks to his parents death from voldy's perspective not harry's
Harry had some good times under the stairs with his cavalry figurines 😂
I think for the unbreakable vow it mostly comes down to specifics. Voldemort has a pretty huge following, so he would have to make allot of vows for each individual mission and make them specific. He could have maybe have the vow simply be “don’t betray me” or “always follow my orders” but both of those could be broken pretty easily without actually dropping loyalty. We don’t know the limits of this spell and it seems very time consuming
It also requires a third party to act as a binder. There is no way in hell that someone as narcissistic as Voldemort would allow someone to bind him.
My thoughts on the unforgivable vow, is it requires a third party member to administer the spell… depending on someone else is something Voldemort would never be willing to do
It's also represented visually in the movie wrapping around both participants' wrists. It's possible that it leaves traces on the other person, even if not a death curse. Possibly Voldemort didn't want to open himself up to his followers that close and that often. Pure speculation there though, no evidence supporting it.
unbreakable vow my guy. and voldemort was far too flashy to care for some promise binding spell that literal children can do
Here’s another one based on the potholes listed here: How can Harry’s biggest horror of his past involve his mother’s screaming and death but not comprehend death? Either he remembers it, or he didn’t comprehend it.
He remembers it (perhaps sub-consciously) but didn't understand it back when he experienced it.
Imagine you know a word in a foreign language, but you don't know its meaning. You just know how it sounds like.
Ironically, it's not Harry's memory. He is reliving Voldemort's worst memory in those moments he hears his mother's scream. Having that bit of extra soul is also a good explanation for the Dementors' added interest in Harry.
@@arinerm1331 Then he should be able to see the thestrals due to Voldemort’s soul having seen death. He can speak parsletounge but not see thestrals?
@@crawdaddy2004 Also a good point to raise with JKR. I cannot explain that canonically.
Wizards used cameras. In the goblet of fire, Rita had a photographer with her when she was interviewing the champions.
She used a "magical" camera. That's considered as a wizard device and obviously it works at Hogwarts. Collin used a muggle camera as he brought it from home. He explained in the book that some older student (or his classmate) offered to teach him to use a certain potion to turn his muggle photos into wizard photos.
@@Dolores.Umbridgecamera’s in the 90s were mechanical and chemical rather than technological so it might not be a far fetched to say that while muggle electronics might not work muggle mechanics could.
Marauders map password seems like a guessable pass for that duo
The map's password is simple: Lupin states that the makers of the map would want to lure Harry out, it contains some essence / personality of the makers at the time they cast their spells. Obviously it recognised Fred and George as like minded trouble makers and revealed itself to them.
Wands : Which wand did Sirius use? (His one was destroyed by the ministry)
Bellatrix: how did she got her old wand (it was supposed to be destroyed by the ministry)
Voldy: how did he get his old wand? was it lying in the rubble all this time?
Wand store
if ron could get his hands on a replacement wand while using a hand me down one all through the first book, im sure the rest could, voldemorts was deffo taken by a death eater from the scene for safe keeping
I was also wondering about that. And given the fact olivander recognizes the old death eaters wands, proofs that they didn’t simply got new ones. Also I don’t understand why they don’t simply destroyed them when bellatrix and the others went to ascaban. Seemed a quite common method with people who got kicked out of hogwarts (Hagrid)
I don't know what wand Sirius used in OOTP (maybe he found an old wand of relatives lying around Grimmauld Place) but in POA he doesn't have a wand until the Shrinking Shake scene, and then he first uses Ron’s wand, then after Snape is knocked out, he is using Snape’s wand, it says so right in the book.
@@MrSkater3 People who got kicked out of hogwarts weren't trained wizards and could cause major problems trying spells they don't understand, the ministry probably never broke the wands of the prisoners because they thought there was no need, then replacement want and accio and boom OG wand back
In the case of Peter Pettigrew, there are three possibilities. Fred and George would most likely have investigated, but because they were unaware of the fact that Scabbers and Peter were one in the same, they probably would think that;
1) the map was pranking them. It is a map all about being a troublemaker, so giving false alarms isnt outside the realm of possibility
2)a more logical conclusion thst the map isnt perfect and has limitations; take the fact that anyone using the Room of Requirement falls off the radar, such as Draco Malfoy.
3) Occam's Razor; Scabbers could have had a name recognized by the map. "Oi, Ron. Percy must have gotten Scabbers from some other bloke and renamed him."
The second one of your explanations is actually disproven in the books. There it says that the map only shows the stuff the marauders discovered and since they never discovered the room of requirements it doesn't appear on the map
Think about all the locks in your house. Most all of them you can unlock from either side, one just takes slightly more effort. I think the locks are there for privacy that should just be respected. Yes technically people could just open your door but it’s still breaking and entering.
I can remember my Army sergeant talking about the locks we put on our lockers. They were the same cheap combination padlocks we had used in our high school lockers and almost anyone could get by them. He said, "Locks are for honest people. A thief can always get in." That's when I realised that a lock is simply a way to tell people not to open something. If we really needed to get in, most people can find a way to get past a lock.
I like the theory from Super Carlin Brothers that the marauders were only visible on the map to other marauders, which is why Lupin was able to see Peter on there.
Sadly, it's disproven.
Severus:
‘I’ve just been to your office, Lupin. You forgot to take your Potion tonight, so I took a gobletful along. And very lucky I did … lucky for me, I mean. Lying on your desk was a certain map. One glance at it told me all I needed to know. I saw you running along this passageway and out of sight.’
Snape saw Lupin, the Marauder.
I don’t like that theory just face value it seems like a lot of mental gymnastics
Perhaps the Marauder's Map (in the books) does not show Animagi in their animal form?
@@pointystories582 He sees it because Lupin activated the map, if Snape activated it he wouldn't see them. That's my thoughts.
movie plot holes that are addressed in the books (or otherwise not in the books at all) do not even warrant mention
Dementors made Sirius super depressed and dreadful, as they do. He had no will or intention to get out. Finding out about Peter still being alive is what motivated him to get out.
The Trace was only on people under the age of 17. Adults could use magic in the presence of Muggles, only children could not. That was made perfectly clear in the books and when Harry turned 17 there was discussion that the trace on him would be lifted.
Yet it was triggered by Dobby levitating Petunia's dessert.
But since they can’t tell who does the magic and there are no known wizards but Harry living there any magic would more likely have been blamed on Harry.
In Half-Blood Prince, when Harry asked Dumbledore how 16-year-old Tom Riddle got away with murder (when they watched the memory of him meeting his uncle, who he framed for the murders), Dumbledore told him the Trace is a myth that the Ministry spreads around. The Ministry only monitors the homes of underage witches and wizards with no magical relatives (which means they only persecute muggle-borns mostly). I don't know how Harry forgot that in the next book. I figured that on the days that Adults were coming to pick Harry up, they informed the Ministry of this, so they temporarily turned off the monitoring spells on his house.
Imaging if Draco Malfoy knew about that. He could've gone to Harry or Hermione's house, snuck into their back yard and performed a spell to get them in trouble. Just 2 times would've gotten them expelled.
@@matthewpatrick7263 very good point. I'd forgotten about that bit. It does explain how Fred and George were able to get away with their various joke shop product experiments over the years.
@@matthewpatrick7263I doubt Draco knew exactly where Harry or Hermione lived.
Remember that Tom Riddle was an orphan. Even though a spell could be familiar, the Unbreakable Vow also involves a unique incentive, which is the genuine loyalty involved in even considering the spell to begin with. Tom never understood or experienced any form of loyalty in his entire life. It does otherwise still make sense that he would know better than to make the Unbreakable Vow because it works both ways and Voldemort is only ever duplicitous and could never keep a vow, therefore it would be too dangerous for himself. For the same motivation of killing to make multiple Horcruxes, those were insurance. The Unbreakable Vow would take away the insurance and create an even greater risk.
I have always thought that the dementors wanted to snack on Harry because he had 'more soul' than others being a horcrux and all
I think the door lock thing is simple. The fact the lock exists is a way to not only keep muggles and young wizards/witches out but it also makes it clear to anyone that they aren’t welcome to open whatever is on the other side
There are plenty more advanced charms that would be used if a magic user really wanted to secure something
The bigger plothole imo is the fact that spells exist to render Alohamora ineffectual (as mentioned in OotP and probably elsewhere), but these spells weren't used on the 3rd floor door that led to the corridor where Fluffy was kept.
I have an answer to the Marauders' Map one! The twins kept trying to get in, and the map, knowing they really were up to no good, kept giving them hints until they eventually got in.
neville wasnt present when his parents were being tortured, thats why mad eyes lesson on the cruciadus curse effected him so badly, it was his first time seeing the curse in action, harry always had a dormant memory of a flash of green light that only got worse and more revealing the more he came into contact with the dementors
Many plot holes....One I always wondered about was why create seven Potters for the escape from Privet Drive when only the real Harry needed to drink the brew and change into someone else who was not there? Any muggle would do. Or change all seven into someone else - Say, Tonks. IMO the worst gambit was creating all those Harrys.
Because they wanted voldy to trust snape, snape told him they were moving harry, if there is no visible harry it could risk snape's double agent.
The situation with the mirror was Serious told Harry that the package was a way to contact him and Harry told himself that he would not use it. He then forgot about it until he was putting his school things in his trunk he hoped that when he said Serious and he didn’t see him he then threw the mirror in his trunk and it broke. While he was clearing out his trunk he found a large piece of mirror that he used later.
Thanks for that. Saved me some typing.
Also mr weasly was attacked before, he contacted everyone and just was barely able to save arthurs life. He wouldnt risk it with his godfather, the last of his living "faimly"
I think an answer for Colin is that he’s using an analogue camera not an electric one. Hermionie says that electrical devices don’t work around magic but Colin’s camera doesn’t utilise a battery or electrical components.
It has a lightbulb to produce a flash, ergo, it has a battery.
Magnesium flash. All chemical.
@@AltairZielite Google the picture of the camera. It doesn't use flash powder like it's the 1800s. It has a bulb. It's clearly circa 1950s. That camera 100% uses a battery. Period.
@@Reggie2000 I stand corrected. The wiki says it ran off magical electricity.
@@AltairZielite 👍🙂
The four Marauders only show up on the map if one of them opens it. That's why Lupin saw Sirius on the map, but when Harry opened it he couldn't see Lupin, Sirius, or Pettigrew on it.
The theory is not valid. Snape saw Lupin on the map when he went to Lupin's office to bring him the Wolfsbane Potion (Lupin wasn't there, the map was left on the desk and Snape saw him)
@@Dolores.UmbridgeLupin was the one who opened the map in that case. The map refused to open for Snape...
@@adrianblake8876ah so it reflects differently for whoever opens it not who happens to be looking at the time, clever!
the fact he could've talked to Sirius as much as he wanted but just never looked at the gift
Considering the size, detail, and complexity of the HP world, I’m honestly impressed with how few plot holes JK made. There’s a shocking amount of consistency for an imagined magical story.
There are a lot considering the size of the series. This video is what? 15 of them? In only 7 books? It’s still a fun series but man, it’s not perfect.
@@mlg_banana679 lol man you sit down and right a book series 3500 pages long and have less plot holes
I have an answer for all of these. There wouldn't be much of a story is all the plot holes were fixed. A lot of great works of fiction have plot holes that are looked over and we usually don't care. But if you are really curious about a lot of these, the Super Carline Brothers have a lot of theories about them. They just did a video about how Fred and George figured out the Maurader's Map.
Its mentioned many times how nobody could apparate or fly into Hogwarts due to the enchantments on the walls. In the half blood prince, dumbledore had to remove the spells as they flew to the astronomy tower after getting the locket. However, in the first book, Charlie 's friends fly in secretly to the same tower to get hagrids dragon out of hogwarts.
That could just be to the increase in security. Since Voldermort be back.
@@crazzyjjj1 maybe, but Hermione is always quoting Hogwarts a history when mentioning it
@@yjk1037 That refers to Apparition. Charlie's friends fly.
Yeah, Dumbledore specifically says in the books that he adds extra protections to the castle when he leaves it. 1. Enchantments and 2. Extra patrols by the order and the teachers.
A few of these have easy explanations.
Peter Pettigrew is invisible to Fred and George because the marauders can only be seen by other marauders. Pettigrew and Sirius are seen on the map by Lupin but Harry never mentions seeing any of them when he's using the map.
Harry doesn't use the mirror to call Sirius because it was a present from Sirius that he forgot to open. He rediscovers the unopened package to his horror after the events at the Dept of Mysteries.
Severus:
‘I’ve just been to your office, Lupin. You forgot to take your Potion tonight, so I took a gobletful along. And very lucky I did … lucky for me, I mean. Lying on your desk was a certain map. One glance at it told me all I needed to know. I saw you running along this passageway and out of sight.’
For the mirror, Harry wasn’t aware of the mirror until Sirius had already passed. It’s mentioned in one of the last chapters of order of the phoenix.
Good job breaking some of these down for us! Thanks!
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My thoughts below :
The Unbreakable Vow - Voldemort believed himself superior to all others. He was also a Legilimens & believed that no one could deceive him. That makes it plausible to me that he would not have considered having his Death Eaters swear unbreakable vows to him.
The muggle camera - Their have been moving wizard photos in the Daily Prophet, Harry's family photo album, etc. The flying car was enchanted & still worked in Hogwarts boundaries as well. I believe that Colin mentioned that the photos were developed in a certain potion to make the image a moving wizard photo.
The Marauders Map - I think the bigger plot hole with the map is that Hogwarts is Unplottable so how were the 4 school boys about to create a map of it at all. Why did it's magic never seem to fade over time? There are other magical objects that loose their functionality over time or supposedly when the magic caster passes away.
The Trace - Yes, this was a big plot hole through out the world building.
The Two-Way Mirror - I was surprised Sirius did not explain what it was to Harry when giving it to him or Sirius and Lupin pull Harry aside [away from Molly] and explain it. I'm also surprised it took Sirius so long to come up with a means of he & Harry communicating directly. Surely, there are other methods.
Sirius being innocent - I would have loved the addition in Rita's article about Harry's side of things to include a comment about Sirius being Harry's godfather & him being innocence. That Rita could interview him next or blackmail her into doing that interview as well. The Ministry was not aware that Sirius was an animagus. Peter Pettigrew, Voldemort, Lucius Malfoy & the death eaters were likely aware of it. Could you imagine a polyjuice transformation that would have let Sirius be Harry's classmate or a new transfer student?! He could have been watching over Harry much more closely the entire time.
Neville & Dementors - Neville is one day older than Harry. His parents were tortured by the Lestrange's & Crouch Jr AFTER Voldemort went after baby Harry. Voldemort had heard the prophecy and while deliberating between which children born could have been the possible threat to himself, he choose the half-blood not the pureblood. Voldemort is highly unlikely to have explained himself to anyone. Snape told Dumbledore that the Dark Lord though it was Lily's son. [Harry also has a piece of someone else's soul residing in his body. Dementors were surely intrigued if they sensed it. However, could some of the memories that he has so clearly, but not Harry's memories but the fragment of soul?]
The Portkey - I believe this was a 'first person to touch it' type of deal. The winner was supposed to be portkey-ed out of the maze. Like the Snitch with flesh memories, having a port-key object as the goal of the maze would ensure that the winner was easily distinguishable.
Veritaserum - It is tricky to make & can be overcome by skilled wizards.
Sirius not escaping sooner - He stated that he knew he was innocent and that that was not a happy thought, so the Dementors could not suck it from him, so he kept his sanity. He could not overcome the Dementors until he saw Peter Pettigrew on the Weasley's lottery winnings on the Daily Prophet front page when the minister of magic visited. He's at Hogwarts. It was like a fire burning within him, an obsession that even the Dementors could not extinguish form him. He was weak & very thin from withstanding years in Azkaban when he slipped through the bars and past the dementors to escape. It was the threat to Harry that motivated him, not proving his own innocence.
Cho Chang - I read her character in OotP as she liked Harry but she wanted to know about Cedric dying than she was truly interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with Harry. The Madam Pudifoot's incident, "... did he mention me at all before he died?" bit.
The unbreakable vow works both ways. Voldy wanted to be able to sacrifice his pawns at any moment.
Only Marauders could see other Marauders on the map.
I’m sure there was a charm to make unlocking charms ineffective.
A camera is not a connected device.
The map was designed to be passed down to troublemakers and certainly helped them get into it, being semi-sentient, as evidenced by its insults towards Snape.
Sirius wasn’t easily reached, and if in danger, wouldn’t have access.
More than one person can be named macgonnigle.
Polyjuice ingredients are rare.
Neville wasn’t there.
Verituserum use was frowned upon, and not completely reliable.
I would call poly juice potion ingredients potentially hard to get as opposed to rare.
It is established that the marauders can be seen by anyone on the map. Snape uses it to track Lupin to the Whomping Willow in PoA.
@54raynor It was irresponsible of JK to introduce a map of that power, and not even think about its potential to create story problems. Imo
Yet Crouch Jr had enough polyjuice to last an entire school year? The first time the kids make it, Hermoine says it takes a long time to make, but the rest of the series, people seem to make it overnight (like when she turns to Belatrix).
@@Swearengen1980 I don’t see either of those as plot holes. Snape mentioned in GoF that his ingredients were being raided for the potion, so Crouch was clearly making more of it during the school year. And the planning for breaking into Bellatrix’s vault took several weeks.
7:47 this is actually very reasonable. As he was panicked, he couldn’t see what was deemed an “obvious solution”. Remember him using the flying car and then McGonagall asking him why he didn’t send her an owl. And the others didn’t know his property as much as he did, so it make sense that they didn’t think of the mirror in such a time
Also Harry didn't open the gift with the mirror inside until after Sirius death, and he did contact Grimmaudsplace, but Kreacher answered and lied to Harry that Sirius was gone. That and the fact that his vision of Arthur turned out to be true gives perfect explanation for his actions.
Harry didn't just forget the mirror existed - he never even knew what it was until it was too late. It was wrapped up when Sirius gave it to him. All Sirius told him was that Harry could use it to get in touch with him, and Harry refused to do anything that would lure Sirius out of hiding and get him into trouble. Months go by, the mirror is still wrapped and in Harry's trunk and with everything from the DA to Quidditch going on Harry never gave it a second thought until after Sirius was already dead. So it's not so much a plot hole as "Harry was a bloody idiot", which pretty much sums up most of the books.
The real plot hole is when Harry flooed Sirius and Lupin from Umbridge's office (in the book only) to talk about Snape's memory of being bullied by James. Sirius should've asked him why he wasn't using the mirror and gotten him to leave her office and use that mirror.
@@matthewpatrick7263the answer to that is that Rowling herself probably forgot completely about having written the part about Sirius giving Harry the mirror when she was writing that scene.
I’ve experienced things like that myself when writing fanfiction, it’s easily done.
Underage students are not allowed to use magic outside of Hogwarts. In the movie "Harry Potter and The Philosophers Stone", When Hermione introduces herself to Harry and Ron, she admits to using a few basic spells. She should have been sent a letter immediately notifying her that she has been expelled and won't be attending Hogwarts. In *Harry Potter and The Prisoner Of Azkaban", Harry is using lumos outside of school but doesn't get expelled.
I have a good theory on how Fred and George learned how to open the Marauders map. Most likely the Marauders told them themselfs. Remember how Snape tried to forcefully reveal what's written inside? The pargement started insulting Snape on its own. So my theory is that, while planning their next pranks, one of the twins had his wand on the map. While talking about their misdeeds, the Map decided to teach the young troublemakers the chant. As if it acknowledged the twins as sort of new generation of marauders.
"don't trust anything that can think on its own if you can't see where it's brain is" ~Arthur Weasley.
Even though I have to say, a lot of Weasleys tend to forget that particular rule.
funny fact, voldemort knew that people may betray you without you knowing (peter sold the potters) so, why not make sure nobody could become a spy for dumbledore?
this is just a theory based on fict but, perhaps, the map has trouble with entities that have multiple names. for example, sirius black was also known as padfoot so, maybe, the map would show that name. in the case of scabbers, the name shown would be scabbers. it may also be that the map doesn't show non-humans (that includes animagi on their animal form) so the map would show peter only if he took his human form. neither theory is good but both have a point.
while alohomora can open simple doors, it can't open all of them. besides, using regular locks may be for pure convenience. a regular lock is a lot better than having to cast an unlocking charm, enter a place, cast a locking charm.
it is my understanding, I may be wrong, that muggle "technology" works fine. what doesn't work is electrical devices. mechanical devices, like old cameras, would work perfectly fine.
given that they are never up to no good, it could be that they just found the password by pure sheer luck. it's still a poor excuse for a plothole.
and yes, there's no excuse for the multiple inconsitencies with the trace. one excuse would be that Dobby managed to copy harry's "magical signature" causing his hoovering charm to look as if harry cast it. despite what some fans may claim to try to justify the inconsistencies, the charm tracks a wizard not a place or a wand. otherwise, in places with more than one underage magical it would be impossible to know who cast the magic. but an interesting thing is that the trace seems to be able to diferentiate between accidental magic, wand magic and wandless magic.
harry not contacting with sirius isn't a plot hole. he just didn't know how. he tried to flo-call but kreatcher lied to harry and told him sirius wasn't there. harry didn't knew about the comunicating mirrors and, evidently, using his owl would be too slow to save sirius.
Mcgonagalls age inconsistency comes from a single fact. fantastic beasts just sh*ts on any sort of canon. it's just there to get fans to pay more money. the story itself is so full of inconsistencies that there's no worth in considering it canon of anything.
while polyjuice only lasts for an hour. barty crouch Jr. proved to all that you just need to drink a bit every fifty minutes to stay transformed. something Sirius could do easily. in fact, to make it even easier to hide himself, he could transform not on a member of the order but on a muggle. we never explore the idea but, what happens if you use two sets of DNA on the polyjuice? for example make a polyjuice potion using Molly Weasley and Nymphadora Tonks.
it may also be that portkeys aren't always activated by a timer. maybe you can prepare them to be activated by touch. what I will never understand is why the cup was made into a reversible portkey but nobody made sure harry couldn't use it to escape.
the ministry doesn't use veritaserum because it would make corruption near impossible. the official reason is that it's expensive and that strong wizards may be able to overcome it. the real reason is that some trials would become a nightmare for the corrupted politicians. just imagine what would happen if Malfloy was asked about the imperius defense while under veritaserum. no, no, no. that can't be allowed.
The Trace's inconsistency plot hole is actually quite easily explained. The trace really only applied to underage wizards as far as I'm aware (therefore meaning members of the order were able to use magic), and was only triggered when it was known that a muggle was aware of the magic - hence Harry was able to use 'lumos' in the 3rd book/movie, and Dobby was able to drop the cake because only Vernon and Petunia were aware of the magic, but they already knew of the magical world - but when Dudley saw harry use the patronus charm that was a different matter as he wasn't aware of Harry being a wizard. We have to remember that the entire muggle world is constantly entangled with the wizarding world so there aren't clear cut muggle or Wizarding locations, the trace charm presumably functioned off of whether or not a Muggle had genuine suspicions of witch-craft.
The only thing I can say about the Marauders map and Peter Pettigrew is that maybe at night time Pettigrew was actually running around the castle doing stuff instead of sleeping with Ron which would make him show up somewhere else on the map.
However this doesn’t really help explain why the Weasley didn’t see him during the day
280 students and 20 staff in the school. Easy to miss a single name. I always assumed that if they noticed Pettigrew at all, they just assumed that he was a Gryffindor in Ron's year.
Orr what if only marauders can only see other Marauders on the map?
Harry of course isn’t a Maurader but he is related to one. Idk 🤷♂️
I believe the mauraders map revield the code to open the map to the brothers , being bored of being locked up for all that time.
One question I have is . Why did Voldemort still trust Snape. He was attached to the back of Quirrell’s head during the first quidditch match. He would have known that Snape was uttering a counter curse
This has been explained in Half blood Prince, Snape played it off to Voldemort that he assumed it was only Quirrell doing it and that Voldemort wasn't involved
‘I think you next wanted to know,’ he pressed on, a little more loudly, for Bellatrix showed every sign of interrupting, ‘why I stood between the Dark Lord and the Philosopher’s Stone. That is easily answered. He did not know whether he could trust me. He thought, like you, that I had turned from faithful Death Eater to Dumbledore’s stooge. He was in a pitiable condition, very weak, sharing the body of a mediocre wizard. He did not dare reveal himself to a former ally if that ally might turn him over to Dumbledore or the Ministry. I deeply regret that he did not trust me. He would have returned to power three years sooner. As it was, I saw only greedy and unworthy Quirrell attempting to steal the Stone and, I admit, I did all I could to thwart him.’
Neville wouldn't have reacted to the dementors on the train because they weren't out to get him at all - harry was the only one on the train who was affected by the dementors kiss because of his relation to Sirius black of course. When Neville experiences the Bogart in the form of the dementor - he is told to remember what he fears most, NOT his worst memory, and what he fears most happens to be Snape, rather than his parents death which he wouldn't have any reasonable reason to fear. That's why they affect Harry so badly solely.
The one about the Locks is pretty easy to explain in my opinion. It’s not to prevent people from coming in. It’s to show the people outside that someone inside does not want you to come in. Like in public Bathrooms. If a door is locked you often can still get inside but the lock shows that you are not supposed to
With the door lock thing, I think it’s similar to having locks inside your house, most (at least in America) can be easily opened with a small screwdriver or paper clip (let alone just kicked down if someone really wanted to get in, the doors are super thin) but it’s so you know the person doesn’t want to be walked in on. I don’t think any of them would walk up to a locked bathroom and just “alohamora” it open, they’d know it was being used.
Answer to most of these - Magic does EXACTLY whatever JK needs it to do for a given scene and stops doing the thing when she wants characters to do something different. McGuffins are created and forgotten at least a dozen times throughout the books. Potterverse is a great sandbox but she would have benefited from a better proofreader.
The biggest problem for me is about wizards marrying non-wizards. Based on the relations of the characters in the story, it seems like none of them would every marry a muggle because they would have to throw their life away and do something they knew nothing about. They would also have to keep their entire past a secret the whole time, including while they are drunk. In the epilogue (and cursed child), there is no muggle character introduced as a wife or husband to one of the book's characters, so I find it pretty hard to believe that a quarter or a third are half-bloods.
I find that because magic is so incredibly vague in terms of actual definitions, one could find thousands of reasons why these weren't necessarily a plot hole (though most of them are not supported by canon in any way), e.g.
- There might be a requirement for taking the unbreakable vow, such as feelings of friendship, empathy or even love, which Voldy of course cannot. Also just possibly being linked to somebody in such a way is beneath him, as he is the sole unique Dark Lord above everybody else.
- The trace might actually react to muggle bewilderment over seeing displays of magic and then ping the trace "holder", being the ministry. So no witnesses means no ping. Also, no confusion means no ping, which would be very practical for muggle-borns / half-bloods. (Might be completely disproved in the Hallows, it's been a while).
But yeah, that's just my head canon justifications that keep me engaged in the story :)
The Unbreakble Vow was never used because Voldemort was an amazing mind reader. No one ever was able to hide any information from him, no one that he had noticed, at least.
Snape is damn good than.
@@korraiswaifu6245Yes. Yes he is.
Harry did try to contact sirius via the fireplace. Creature made it seem like sirius was indeed captured.
Something i think about constantly is how Dumbledore came into possession of the Elder Wand in the first place. At the end of the Fantastic Beasts movies, Grindlewald escapes after the voting scandal is discovered, and is currently in possession of the wand. Sometime between the third instalment of Fantastic Beasts and the events of the Harry Potter saga, Dumbledore and Grindlewald have a fight in which presumably Grindlewald is disarmed or even killed by Dumbledore, transferring the ownership to him. I hope that one day we find out what happened
The camera question is simple: the camera is purely mechanical. No advanced parts for magic to interfere with.
Specifically: old school cameras do not need electricity.
Its fun to discuss these can’t wait to watch. Even with the plot holes it’s still one of the best series ever written!
Why was Ron able to bring scabbers when students are only allowed to bring a cat, toad or owl. In the spell that makes a wand show in reverse the last spells done, Harry’s father came out first when it should have been his mother.
For the first one, it’s likely that Rowling didn’t think of Pettigrew’s character until after Philosopher’s stone was published, but thought it was too good of an idea that the slight contradiction there was worth having in order to still use that plot for POA.
The second one is probably just a writing mistake.
Harry did check on Sirius before going to the ministry. Kreacher lied to him and told him Voldemort had him in the department of mysteries
Harry notices peter on the map and asks lupin about it when lupin takes the map lupin tells him maybe the map is just mistaken
1. Voldemort didn't utilise unbreakable vow because he didn't need. Voldemort always despised every living thing except himself, and his followers meant nothing more than fervent fan base to him. He was the centre piece of his army, and he the only carrier of plans, commander, soldier, all. If he had gone with this this would mean he is VERY much dependent on others, and that really isnt the "im the boss, not by beurocracy but cos I can 1v15 you" vibe
For how Fred and George cracked/got into the Marauders map:
My theory is that since James, Sirius, Lupin, and Peter were all pranksters, and knew that they wouldn't be at Hogwarts forever; they likely put a charm or series of charms on the map that, when answered correctly, allowed a person access to it.
Questions such as:
What is your intention with his Map?
(Answer would be to prank or cause mischief)
Question 2:
Would you ever intentionally use this map to hurt someone?
(Answer no, only to sneak around and prank)
Question 3:
Would you ever turn this map over to professors?
(No).
Etc. That way worthy successors could continue their legacy, and people they disliked like Snape could never gain access.
- According to Rowling, the Marauders Map (which is canonically revealed to be able to think for itself, as seen when it insults Snape) sensed that it had found worthy users, and it dropped a series of hints to the twins, allowing them to figure out the password.
- Harry didn't discover Sirius's mirror until after his death.
- Rowling said after GoF that Dumbledore was 150 and Mcgonagall was 70. But since Dumbledore's age was later reduced to 117 at his death, who knows about Minerva?
- Because polyjuice only works for an hour, its usefulness is kind of limited. And maybe Sirius wasn't much of a potion maker.
- Portkeys almost certainly can activate in different ways. The one in the maze was triggered by touch, rather than being on a timer.
- Rowling says that a highly skilled wizard can use legilimency to fool veritaserum.
- Here's mine. Moaning Myrtle says NO ONE ever asked her about her death. Given that she was eyewitness to her own murder, it seems almost certain that someone would. Especially Dumbledore, since he believed Hagrid was innocent. Five minutes with Myrtle would have established that she died by Basilisk, not Acromantula, exonerated Hagrid, and cast serious eyes on Tom Riddle.
1. Do you make everyone sign a contract for everything they (and you) come to an agreement on?
2. They don't care that much about their brother. They also said they didn't really need it anymore, so it's possible they didn't even use it recently.
3. I'm sure there are a lot of locking charms that will encode any unlocking charms used on it.
4. It's enchanted
5. It's well established that the brothers possess ingenuity vastly beyond all students and most teachers. They're also shown to be relentless, almost vindictive, to anything that gets in their way. I could see them taking years to not let the password get the best of them. Also, the map talks back, they could have used context clues from the responses to get the magical opening charm.
6. Fair
7. Harry always rushes recklessly. That's why his growth in the last book is so impressive.
8. No idea
9. Pollyjuice potion was complex to make and took time.
10. JK answer is good enough for me.
11. Neville never experienced the torture experiences, or any bad ones really, first hand at a decent age.
12. The timing window can be whatever the creator wants it to be.
13. Why don't we use chemical compounds to force confessions out of suspected criminals? Not legal...obviously.
14. He didn't have a reason to live. The newspaper sparked his desire to survive and protect Harry.
15. Movies are wrong.
The most glaring plothole in Harry Potter is "Why did Harry try to win the Triwizard? The obvious response to
his situation would be to participate "just for show", only investing a symbolic effort. Yet, he didn't even consider doing so. Indeed,
NOBODY even mentioned this possibility.
Colin creevey plothole: it’s established in the Harry Potter universe that it is possible to tinker with muggle objects to make them magical (as seen by Arthur Weasleys projects).
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that the magic- loving Colin would have tried everything in his power to allow him to capture his experiences. He picked a very old camera (even at the time of filming) probably as it was easier to modify, and either he or a teacher or older student made it magical.
One explanation is that he tried to make a never-ending Polaroid camera so that he wouldn’t have to refill it (as he planned to stay at Hogwarts as long as possible and not get muggle refills) and that it made the object magical, allowing it to work on school grounds.
My personal belief (and it is much more simple) is that the camera was already magical, and was bought at diagon alley on his first visit to the wizarding world when he decided he wanted to capture everything and send the pictures home.
(Bonus: this need to capture everything probably sparked his love of journalism)
I think the reason Serious didn't drink the polijuice juice potion was because, as Madeye said, it "tasted like goblin piss" I think he just didn't want to deal with the taste and preferred his animagius form
I can see him taking the easy way out, LOL. Why drink something yucky that takes a month to brew when you can instantly become an adorable dog?
Sirius did literally eat rats when he was on the run just to be close to Harry. I don't think he would be deterred by a disgusting potion.
@@rittersportfan That's a fair point. Still, the potion is more time consuming and takes more effort and expense. Even though Barty Crouch Jr. brewed Polyjuice for a whole school year basically undetected (HOW?), most people probably wouldn't consider it a long term solution.
Analogue technology works from what i can tell (cars, cameras, etc). It seems that it mostly digital tech that struggles.
Here's a plot hole: axio map, axio egg. He learned to use axio for the first try wisard task, why didn't he use it when he got stock in the stairs?
My theory about Voldemort not having his death eaters make the unbreakable vow is that he saw himself as above them and would never lower himself to be on equal footing with his followers especially at the risk of his own life. That, coupled with his arrogance of feeling as if his reputation and skill were already enough of a reason to pledge loyalty to him so he could never consider having one of his followers lose their faith in him. Plus, with how sadistic he is, I think he got some sort of sick pleasure out of testing them and then destroying his followers whenever they failed.
On the lock thing, locks keep out honest people. We have, in the real world, several methods to open locked doors.
Most of these 'plot holes' have reasonably decent explanations in the text of the story itself. Meanwhile, you missed one of the biggest plot holes in the books: How is Snape, a known murder suspect on the run from the Ministry and the Order, getting instructions from Dumbledore's portrait to confound Mundungus Fletch into coming up with the 7 Potters plan to get Harry away from Privet Drive for the last time?