lol imagine the multiple spidermen meme happening with voldy. lol multiple voldies in a circle all surprisingly pointing at eacvhother. what a strange movie that would be lol. like, voldy wins but ends up in some sort of multi minded psychosis, freaking the f out. "oh thats just voldy, gonna take him a while to sort himself out"
Ironically, the ring of power also contained a bit of soul of another dark lord. And that bit of soul did exactly what the locket ended up doing to the wearer. Did JK use the ring of power to influence how horcruxes work?
@coolnerdlll6053 can't be that blatant come on now. It's fine if other works influence you, but if you go full tilt and outright steal an idea from someone else, that's just plagiarism. The similarities are already very apparent. A piece of jewelry infused with the soul of an evil dark lord that will torture the wearer and will fight back against being destroyed. That bit of soul keeping the one who put the soul into the jewelry tied to the mortal realm. And the only way to defeat said dark lord is by destroying the jewelry completely. There are differences aplenty to keep it from just blatant plagiarism
@@brettbrooks5511Yeah. She almost certainly did. The One Ring is actually both a lot like a Horcrux and the complete opposite at the same time. Sauron is a Maia, and so he is immortal by nature. When he created the Ring, he actually introduced that weakness of binding himself to the Ring in exchange for more power, specifically power over the 19 Rings of Power. Had he never created the ring, he never could have been permanently killed. Basically, before he created the Ring he was like Voldemort when he has his Horcruxes. You can kill his body but he never truely dies, and he can form a new body. When the One Ring is destroyed, Sauron isn't actually killed. He's reduced to a spirit, never able to gain enough power to reform a body, because so much of his power was put into the Ring. He becomes a lot like what Voldemort was after he tries to kill Harry as a baby, except he can't come back.
Voldemort's downfall was choosing Horcrux items that were way too specific. All he had to do was turn a grain of sand into a Horcrux and then chuck it into the Sahara Desert. Job done.
The reason he made Horcruxes in the first place was because of his immense, overwhelming ego. At that point he wouldn’t choose anything other than what he did.
Yeah, Harry pitched this to Dumbledore although he said it’s not like portkeys. But why not? The locket was hidden with no human connection so it’s not anything like that
I had always thought the idea of the soul as a sheet of cloth was a good metaphor. When you do harm and bad makes the sheet dirty. You can do good to clean it but stains remain and takes alot of work to truly be clean again. Depending on the evil acts causes the sheet to fray the ends and tear. Murders would cause clean rips of the sheet but most people do their best to keep it small and to not tear that sheet too much. I assumed making a horcrux would purposefully do great evil and murder with the intent to tear your own soul sheet so much that a piece of it would tear off completely. This would be real Dark magic and would explain why not all murders immediately create horcruxes. The caster has to intentually make the rip completely tear their soul.
Taking your very good analogy, committing murder does cause your soul to fray and tear, but is remains intact and repairable. Even if the soul tears, remorse and repentance can repair the damage somewhat. After you commit murder, THEN you cast the horcrux spell. That takes that piece of soul and PERMANITLY separate it from person. Even Grinwald soul, after his defeat but before his genuine remorse, was cleaner that Voldemort's soul post Goblet of Fire.
This is a classic case of me opening a SCB video thinking "I know everything about this topic" and then saying "oh I never thought about that actually" about 20 times by the end of the video
@@chadpeterson5698why would it be though? Herpo lived in Ancient Greece. That necklace doesn’t look particularly Ancient Greek. Also, opals are pretty fragile gemstones, probably not an ideal soul container. There are other cursed items. It doesn’t have to be a horcrux just because it is evil.
I always saw the diary as being able to come back because Voldemort had probably put so much of himself into it. NO Im not talking about it being the first horcrux (although that may have helped) but like with the painting in Dumbledore’s office Voldemort probably wrote a LOT about himself and his feelings in that diary growing up so the diary could take on his persona.
You could have something there. Voldemort pours his hopes, dreams and fears into the diary over years of his life then gives it a part of his own soul. Fast forward and Ginny also pours her hopes, dreams and fears into the diary allowing it to try and develop a life of its own. An unintended self aware existence like the ford angelina. Possibly with Ginny's soul trapped in the diary in place of Voldemorts.
@@SenkoauI actually think the opposite. what we see of Tom is hatred, anger and hostility. I think he intended it as a weapon in a Sauron-esque way. like he poured his malice and his cruelty into that book for years. it also makes me wonder if he used the diary after it was a horcrux.
I feel like part of why the diary had such an effect was it is the only item that personally belonged to Voldemort like his it’s true owner, everything else has passed through so many hands
A small part of me wonders if when each of the horcruxes were slowly possessing the person if it was also that piece of voldemorts soul trying to gain a new body
I think it may have still had the possessing effect if it wasn't for the curse voldemort put on the ring on. From what I've seen/researched sofar the only times the horcruxes have purposely harmed someone before a connection is made. Are when they're are the protective curses on the items. Like example the container the locket was in and the curse in the lestrange vault. Sofar the only horcruxes that have been violent with out having the possed connection first is nagini and a small part harry also depending on how you looked they're fights.
@@Elementalgodess-1 I think that each of the horcruxes had some sentient factor like the diary. we see the locket affect the minds of those wearing it, and even remotely trying to convince Ron not to destroy it. we know the Diary had the ability to communicate via the ink. I suspect that even Harry's insane luck and abilities were that portion of voldemort's soul trying to protect the vessel. we know that Dumbledore gave into the call of the void and touched the ring, which may have been that portion of the soul trying to protect itself by tricking Albus into a deadly curse. we don't see much about the cup or the diadem. but I've got some ideas: we know the cup was with the party for a while. one thing I've always noticed is that Ron and Hermione act kinda strange during the battle for Hogwarts. Hermione is constantly remarking about how brilliant Ron is. we see Ron also complementing Hermione for her bravery and ability to deliver. maybe becasue the cup also had some magic from Helga, Voldemort's soul only had the ability to try to convince a person that their greatest qualities were actually much less than others, and we just don't get enough time to see it play out. We also don't see the diadem for very long. it doesn't seem to have any protective spells on it, but in the room of requirement, we see Crabbe uncharacteristically decide to do something of his own volition and cast fiendfyre. perhaps the diadem convinced Crabbe to attempt this very powerful spell in an attempt to defend itself. this one kinda fails because it is what ends up destroying it.
This video got me thinking about the basilisk bite Harry endures. His life is saved of course by Fawkes' tears, but could the bite have potentially destroyed Voldemorts piece of soul in Harry - without Harry dying? I guess not, as he is not beyond repair as a vessel. Would he potentially have been able to speedrun all the "becoming the master of death" levels in his earlier years, so he could decide to go back after basilisk induced fatality?
To me, it feels like the Diary was more 'aware' than most of the other Horcruxes. That could be because of what it was, but either way, that begs the question. How conscious IS the Diary, and did it at all resent Voldemort for essentially 'trapping' it inside the dairy, and having it sealed away. It's like it was locked in a prison, but with little chance of a visitor. Going by that line of logic, it makes sense why it tried to make a body for itself. It probably wanted it's autonomy back.
I suspect that all of the horcruxes had the sentience, but only the diary had a good way of displaying it. We see the locket try to convince Ron to not destroy it, so maybe all of the horcruxes had this ability to intelligently react to the world around it. perhaps wearing the diadem would have had a similar effect where it allows Voldemort's soul to attempt to control you. I always interpreted that the diary instructed ginny to perform a resurrection spell/potion, since it was also able to instruct her to speak parseltongue. I personally don't think the diary did manifest its own body, I think it effectively Imperio'd Ginny into doing it for him, just that the spell or potion used was different than the one Wormtail used.
Yes, the more I think about it, the less "special" the Diary seems to be. It looks like all Horcruxes are conscious, and they contain a copy/snapshot of Voldemort's personality, the way he was at the time the Horcrux was made. It does not age or change. The Locket had Tom Riddle's *dark* eyes, not red, as though the entity living inside it was frozen in time and also quite independent from the real Voldemort.
@@Snidget-76 I hadn’t even noticed that each horcrux represents who he was when he made them. Like nagini is in attack mode because so was he, Harry is relatively passively successful because Voldemort thought he was about to beat death when he killed Lily. The other objects are very mysterious and dangerous like how he was while he was hunting these items down. That’s an awesome parallel
@@seankrake4776 You know, I was thinking more in terms of Tom Riddle's age and how much he knew about the world and his own "future", but that can also include his mood and goals at the time! That is a very interesting thought 👍 I was also wondering why the Horcrux in Harry does *not* manifest as a separate consciousness. It only seems to affect Harry's emotions.
@@Snidget-76 - Indeed. It makes me wonder what it would have been like if all the Horcruxes found 'hosts' and by the time Harry comes around, the world is still at war, and we had like, 5 separate incarnations of Voldemort battling each other for dominance, while the Shade is doing it's thing. And Harry is just like "They are going to expect me to fix THIS??"
For all these years, I’ve always been under the impression that the Horcrux was used up to bring back the witch or wizard. I wonder how I didn’t realize that I was wrong lol.
I went back and checked slughorn’s memory in half blood prince. They use the verbs split, tear, rip, and divide, but they never actually say “in half”. I suppose it’s sort of implied? I always assumed voldemort is just ripping off small chunks from his soul
This got me thinking about how Dumbledore told Harry he didn't think the potion containing the locket would actually kill the drinker, because Voldemort would've wanted to interrogate him. That makes no sense, since drinking the potion makes you so thirsty you'll drink water filled with corpses, waking them up so they WILL kill you. (Being killed by inferi tends to ruin interrogations.) Furthermore, as was pointed out, Voldemort cursed the ring so it would kill the wearer. It was only very fast action on Dumbledore and Snape's part that stopped Albus's death from being immediate.
No, since its still only a part of the original Voldemort. How can you make more pieces of a piece? Probably wouldn't be large enough make it effective, since Voldemort already has so many horkruxes. 😂
@@malteb.372 I think there is a limit to how many horcruxes one can have. We can see in the last movie, that (although he was still strong) Voldemort was only a shadow of the one we saw in Chamber of Secrets, so everytime he splits his soul, he will be less of himself because there will be less soul in his body. You could compare it to our world when you cut a cake in half and then again and again and again, eventually you will have such small pieces that you won't have anything cake-related left, for example only some hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms that you can't call cake anymore
@@einflinkeswiesel2695 The Diary soul might be a larger fragment capable of being successfully split. Especially if the piece grew from absorbing what was Ginny's soul-- then it might be able to make seven Horcruxes like the original Voldemort
I would argue yes. this video claims that none of the horcruxes were a percentage of his soul, just that each container anchored part of his severed soul to the land of the living. I see lots of people still arguing that each container holds a fraction of voldy, but I don't think that's true. I think of it like having a single long chain, and a big anchor at the end of it. the chain never changes sizes, but when your soul splits, it breaks the anchor. You still have the same weight, each part of the anchor is still pulling the exact same chain, but if a part of the anchor gets destroyed and removed from the chain, you lose the weight of it. while all portions of the anchor are attached, the chain is the same length, and overall has the same weight. it doesn't take half of the chain and connect one part to each half anchor, it just segmented the anchor that provides the weight to the chain. when any part of the anchor gets destroyed, it lessens the whole weight of the chain, and when all parts of the anchor have been removed, the chain no longer can grasp onto the seabed My personal (and entirely unfounded) head cannon, is that the diary horcrux used its powers to control Ginny into performing a ritual or making a potion that allowed his body to return. I think this version of the ritual/potion used the entire life force of the performer to manifest a body for the soul to attach to. we know that when Wormtail brings Voldy back in GOF, he performed some spells of Voldy's own creation, and made a body reforming potion and regeneration potions to keep the corpse body alive. I think this second ritual/spell/potion was an optimized/refined way of recovering the body using the information he learned on his first attempt.
I always found it interesting that Harry got the lightning shaped scar when he became a horcrux, but there was never any indication that any of the other objects got any kind of mark when they were made into horcruxes.
I don't think the scar is a result of being made a horcrux but rather of the spell itself. Although the killing curse is not supposed to leave a mark, I think Harry was an exception because the curse interacted with Harry's mother's blessing/charm and the interaction between these two powerful forms of magic was the scar. Harry was made a horcrux by accident as Voldemort's soul was so maimed that a piece came off and attached itself to Harry upon Voldemort's death. I
Wasn't the part of soul inhabiting Harry an accident, whereas all the other horcruxes are deliberate, making Harry's case a bit different from a horcrux proper?
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I would appreciate more of an explanation over how the soul portions are all always equal. Not to say it’s always 50/50 either. What if the ripped piece is a different size each time you kill you someone, dependent on how attached you were to the individual. Like, killing someone you truly love would result in the largest piece possible, and someone you didn’t know (or someone you wanted to kill) would result in the smallest possible piece breaking off.
@aisleelovegreenwood6448 I don't think this part is true. I don't think a percentage of a soul tied to an object would jump from that object to a new one. I think your first idea is more on track. I think of it like having a single long chain, and a big anchor at the end of it. the chain (soul) never changes sizes, but when your soul splits, it breaks the anchor(vessel). You still have the same weight, but if that part of the anchor gets destroyed and removed from the chain, you lose the weight of it. while all portions of the anchor were attached, the chain was the same length, and overall had the same weight. it doesn't take half of the chain and connect one part to each half anchor, it just segmented the anchor that provides the weight to the chain. when any part of the anchor gets destroyed, it lessens the whole weight of the chain, and when all parts of the anchor have been removed, the chain no longer can grasp onto the seabed(the world of the living).
My thinking is that every Horcrux COULD become it's own person but only through very specific means. The intended function is as an anchor but each soul piece is still sentient and I imagine being trapped in an object is unpleasant. Knowing that the diary works by draining life force,I kinda feel like the ring's curse is how it comes back,by draining life force. The others I'm unsure of but I think it is,at least,theoretically possible for each Horcrux to become a Voldemort, even if it's not exactly practical
I think it would be possible through the resurrection potion Voldemort used in book 4. I think it is made specifically to revive you from a Horcrux, and originally your Horcrux would be placed in it. Its multiplication effect was, however, never tested, as there is no point of using it before your body dies, and nobody before Voldemort had multiple Horcruxes. Through attachment, I'm not sure for most of them. Unlike an intelligent diary, the other objects are hard to attach to, unless the way you obtain them makes you so through memories, but they aren't supposed to be found and taken possession of.
@@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185 Indeed, it may have been some temporary Horcrux, which the prime soul shard could leave without himself dying (like Quirrell). I'm not sure though if it's an ability one single Horcrux automatically gives someone or Voldemort just got it from making many.
It's uncanny how close this video is to answering my theory I wanted you guys to explore. I posted my comment on the third "what if James had his cloak" video and you guys delivered!😍 Not sure if my comment in particular had anything to do with the motivation for this video but I'm just glad that it happened. You basically just answered all the questions my what if theory proposition had hahah. That's why I love you guys, you never fail to amaze me!⚡️
I think you should re-visit "The Fraction Theory" but this time remember that Tom learned about horcruxes and inquired about splitting the soul into seven peices as a student (in other words, before he made them) so instead of halving it each time Tom would have intentionally put 1/7th of his soul into each of the six horcruxs he intended to make, leaving the last 1/7th in his body. He will accidentally split this last 1/7th into two 1/14ths, one in harry and the other floating around in the albainian forrests or whatever.
If he could actually exactly measure and split his soul like that. But perhaps, the soul got halved every time, first horcrux had half oh his soul, the second 1/4, the next one 1/8 and so on.
Thats an interesting thought @@patrickhackett7881. Its made me think of another theory that not only could they be tears or rips as opposed to clean cuts but also the size of the piece of soul ripped out could vary depending on how emotional you are when you make the horcrux. For example if one just killed an unknown, random person its might be a smaller fragment of soul ripped apart versus killing someone you know and hate or even love (Tom couldn't love but if if someone else made a horcrux than maybe.)
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With the horcrux's not attempting to do the same thing as the diary, could it be that they somehow felt that voldermort had a body and therefore felt no need to make/steal another one?
I believe the diary was actually the 1st choice for him to return. I think once riddle had become corporeal or whatever from taking a students life force, riddles memory would become the perfect vessel for voldy prime to return. The horcrux would remain as an anchor in the diary. AND this way he gets to keep his nose 😂
The thing that always confused me is if the process of making a horcrux is supposedly so disturbing and gross that it actually made Rowling’s editor sick, then how was it possible that Harry could even become an accidental horcrux? Was the ritual done before the actual murder?
By that point, Voldemort had mangled, twisted, and ripped his soul so much that it had become fragile, causing a piece to just randomly break off and attach to the nearest living thing it could find, that thing being Harry.
@@AustynSN I guess that makes sense. But I also find it kind of strange that up until that point, every horcrux he made was an inanimate object, yet this piece of his soul automatically attached to the nearest living thing it could find. I guess I just feel like for it essentially being the cornerstone of the entire series, there seem to be questions about the how and why that weren’t given a thorough explanation.
I've always wondered what happened to Voldemort's original body the night he tried to kill baby Harry. It should have been left at the Potters. You said it destroyed his body but that's not how Avada Kedavra works. Shouldn't his body have been left behind and why didn't anyone find it? My head canon is that Dumbledore sent Snape to destroy the body because he knew Voldemort was not gone for good and wanted people to think he was still out there somewhere, which would be tough if his body was laying around. The movies depict Snape as going to Godric's Hollow after the incident. That is also why it took so long to get Harry to Privet Drive. I would be interested in what you guys think.
12:53 I know you meant it as a side note, but thank you for clarifying this! This has always been a point of contention for me. You spelled it out nicely. I wonder if he should have pursued 7 horcruxes all along...but fate has ways to try prevent that from ever happening?
The diary was also the first one he made right? So perhaps it had more of a will of its own due to his inexperience in the technique. Personally I always figured it's extra "sentience" was a result of it being Tom's diary in the first place. It was something he poured his inner thoughts and feelings into not to mention plans and aspirations. He had an intimate connection to it that far surpassed any other horcrux by far even the ring.
The discussion starting around 13:45 seems questionable to me. You say that a mundane form of destruction, like breaking something in half, wouldn't destroy the horcrux because the object could be repaired. But if that's the case, wouldn't the broken pieces essentially act as separate horcruxes? Could you, for example, make a piece of paper into a horcrux, put it through a shredder, and then hide the individual shreds in many locations?
That's a good question honestly probably, he didn't mention it in this video but has in the past, but the reason the diary is so dangerous is because that part of Voldemort is the most Voldemort out of all the Voldemort like the piece of Tom is more Voldemort than Voldemort is there he probably would consider himself to be Voldemort prime, he's also the only one who technically could do the whole remorse thing since he's the first part of soul, but probably not still since he even back then didn't ever really feel remorseful, but if he could he'd be the one that could I think, because by the time you get to Voldemort prime there is so little humanity left inside of him that it's just not possible, I'm still a little bit confused about Tom Riddle piece of soul in the diary, but I think he is different from the other ones in that he could actually return and have a proper body because of how the hokcrocks was made
@@AshleysAdviceSuch a good answer! I always thought the same thing. On the other hand, I don't think Diary-Voldemort would attemt other Horcruxes, since he would perhaps discover that his soul is in 7 pieces already (Prime, Diary, Ring, Cup, Diadem, Locket, and Harry). By killing Harry in the Chamber, I think, one Horcrux would recognize the other. Therefore no other Horcrux would be of need. The Diary-Horcrux is so special because it is a safe haven for that piece of soul and a sincere weapon on the other. Actually, Dumbledore mentions to Harry that this very feature tipped him of. Voldemort must have created more than one horcrux if he was willing to make a weapon out of one. Since the second book he tried to figure out how many were out there. Hence the importance of Slughorns memory.
@@j.e.5834 Yeah agreed, I highly doubt he would've it just wouldn't make sense, but the diary is definitely powerfully on par with Voldemort prime, like I think it's pretty obvious he has more Voldemort in him than Voldemort does at this point, which just interesting in terms of how the story could've played outif he had rose power which like I said they did already discuss and a different video
Imagine the video frame is longer and you can see their whole body. The comments section is right where a towel would go if they wrapped it around their lower half.
Diary - 50% Ring - 25% Locket - 12.5% Cup - 6.25% Diadem - 3.125% Harry - 1.562% Nagini - 0.781% Voldemort Prime - 0.781% This is how much soul each part of Voldemort has if we follow the first theory😅 Which I think makes more sense. Cause what do you think happened when Voldemort was turning the Ring into a Horcrux? That 1/3rd of the soul from the diary just came out of it and embedded itself into the ring? But then again, if it was this way, Diary Riddle should be more powerful than Voldemort Prime, but VP simply has more experience. This entire thing is definitely messed up. Also, one thing I’m really curious about is this, we know what Voldemort looks like thanks to Goblet of Fire. But did he always look like this before he went down? Like what did he look like when he came to kill the Potters? Are the snakelike features due to Nagini’s milk or something?
Did Rowena Racenclaw have ancient magic? In Hogwarts Legacy it says something along the lines of "Hogwarts was made by and is in itself a Stronghold of said ancient magic," Does that mean Ravenclaw had ancient magic? Did another founder? Maybe that guy in the movies and games who had the statue, he helped plan the castle, maybe he also helped make it?
I wonder what would happen, when you throw a horcrux through the Veil? Technically the horcrux is not destroyed, but on the other hand, that piece of soul entered the afterlife. So could you hide a working horcrux behind the veil where nobody can destroy it, or does the container get destroyed 'automatically'?
It's nothing compared to Time Turners. I can safely say Harry Potter has the most confusing version of time travel I have ever seen. Just the idea that your future selves are already present before you go back in time makes my head hurt.
That is very true. When I hade started to read the books (around 13) and got to the time turner parts I though “oh about her story with time travel how exciting” I didn’t think about it to hard
@@coolnerdlll6053 except that the concept of a fixed time loop (this being that the actions you take while in the past have already happened, but you must still go back to do them) is actually one of the most common versions of time travel portrayed in media in general.
@DreadKyller It's not usually depicted in such a confusing way. In Back to the Future, Marty doesn't see the other DeLorean crash into the movie theater while he's headed to the mall.
Thank you so much for this video because it cleared up a misconception I've had since the books were new. You even specifically mention in this video how I thought it worked. I always thought that each horcrux was like a "life." Like if someone were to successfully Avada Kedavra Voldemort prime then he would die but consume one of the Horcrux's, using up a "life" and then return to life anew. I always thought Dumbledore could duel Voldemort eight times and if he killed him eight times then that would use up all of Voldemort's horcrux's. Now I understand that each individual horcrux prevents Voldemort from dying which is why it was so important to hunt them all down before the final confrontation. Dumbledore could kill Voldemort over and over and he would always come back as long as there was one horcrux. Blowing my mind. Thanks SuperCarlinBrothers!
Here's an interesting theory question. If you knew the spell/incantation to infuse an object with a severed piece of a soul to make a horcrux, could you bind Voldemort's bodiless soul piece to an object and then problem solved for the most part? As far as we know apart from the diary he wouldn't be able to pull the piece of soul out of the object. As far as we know horcrux containers are non-transferrable.
Dumbledore said to Snape that when the Killing Curse rebounded on Lord Voldemort, a tiny fragment was blasted from the whole...which means that Harry's horcrux was a small piece of an already maimed and diminished soul.
But would a Horcrux protect you from old age? If i made a Horcrux now in my 30's, and then 50-60 years from now was in my 80's or 90's, what would that be like? Would i be an old wrinkled prune alive and unable to die, still young and fit, or would i die on my deathbed and then turn into the mist-form without a body?
I have a question..., one that I might have asked previously on Patreon. Is it possible that Moldevort's soul is still around, because Hermione duplicated the locked during the trio's infiltration on the ministry? The reason for this question because of the attack on Gringotts. The treasure in the Bellatrix's vault keeps continually replicating, so could the horcrux enchantment on the duplicated locket also have been copied over?
It's implied that part of the ritual required to create a horcrux involves cannibalism of the person killed (though it's probably isn't conducive to an ad friendly video).
I would love to see a 7 book series on Voldemort dealing with his alternates as they reform from the horcruxes. Come to think of it, the lack of a mechanism to restore a body seems to be a pretty significant failing of the spell. Now - What if Voldemort passed through the veil? Would his disembodied soul fragment be trapped in the realm of the dead?
I don't think the diary could have come back at, it only thought that it could. That particular horcrux was created when Tom Riddle had just learned about them, so it would be reasonable that being able to become a new Voldemort was just an assumption or him misunderstanding how it worked.
What if theories to ponder: what if Quirrell had succeeded at getting the stone from Gringotts at the beginning of book 1? What if Harry had succeeded at keeping his temper during Aunt Marge's visit in book 3? & finally, what if Snape had stopped caring about Lily when she picked James over him in school?
its good to see that a Theory from @FilmTheory is getting revisited by you two. Put a smile on my face regarding MatPat is passing down this channel and they did this theory a few years back
There could be an evil wizard that made a single horcrux and it was just lost to time/the earth/etc. A pebble in the sea, who knows? So the evil wizard could be dead but stuck in vapor form forever. Or until the Earth a'splodes. There could be dozens of wizards in this predicament.
But if you need the bone of the father then could you argue that there is a limit amount of times you can come back because there is a limit of bones your father has
@@thorthewolf8801 yeah that makes sense. And can you just use the smallest bit of bone, like if you could grind the bones into a powder and just use a small part of that?? Opened up a can of worms for me :)
15:24 I actually pitched an idea to another Harry Potter TH-camr known as Harry Potter Theory that the inventor of the horcrux Herpo the Fowl lives still, and he actually made a video on it where he said that said neckless could be his horcrux
What if voldemort just hide a horcrux in the champer of secrets? Someone would have to use a horcrux to find a horcrux so if the dairy is destroyed then the champer of secrets would never be opened which means the horcrux in the champer can't be found and voldemort can't die
Before watching the video: We only get a really good look at how two of the horcuxes work, the diary and the locket. They seem very different. The diary appears to be simply what was claimed, a copy of Tom Riddles memories as a 16 year old. He appears as a fully realized person, or would have been if Harry hadn't destroyed the diary and save Ginny. The locket just seems like a bundle of negative emotions, particularly anger, frustration, and jealousy. I'm guessing since the diary was first, it was a "more complete" piece of his soul, and that's why it's pretty much his full personality The locket was fourth, so there was less soul in Voldemort to work with when it was created. It was just some basic emotions, and being Voldemort, they were negative ones.
Something I was thinking about while watching this is Voldemorts own power/skill level throughout the years. This combined with my personal belief that the significance of the kill is what determines the portion of soul torn away. Voldemort has killed potentially hundreds of wizards but only has 7 horcruxes. It mentions he specifically wanted special kills to make each one too. So what if, since his first horcrux was made while in school, the reason it is so different yet powerful is because it was his first real kill. Which would naturally rip much more soul than someone who is used to murder. That coupled with his lack of experience means the horcrux has a lot less controls over it. As the years go on the kills become more methodical, less passionate, and the horcruxes become more strategic and cunning. While ultimately being somewhat less powerful. I would argue the biggest portions of his soul are within the diary, harry, himself, and nagini
What I wanna know is what happens if a horcrux is made out of someone who has been kissed by a dementor. Say voldy ended up with Barty Jr's body post kiss, could he turn it into a horcrux, and there be two voldys, just one looks like barty?
Here is an other theory. We know the diary almost killed Jinny and almost revived Voltemord before was stopped. What if the other horcruxes also worked the same. The ring was removed before managed to kill Dambledore. If he continued wearing it could worked similarly, kill the victim and revive Voltemord. The cup and diadem could also work the same way. The locket was open only after speaking to it and immediately attacked any one near it. Maybe trying to make the victim kill himself, so it could revive his master?
I understand that he puts part of his sole in the horcruxes. but i dont get how he puts his sole in a new body from the horcrux while keeping the same fractions of his sole in each horcrux. also if his original body was destroyed what body was used in his resurrection in goblet of fire?
You know, this is actually a very interesting question. How exactly do you make a Horcrux and do all of them have special properties? What I mean is that some Horcruxes seem to have defences but others don't. The Diary opens the chamber, kills someone to bring back Voldemort and summons a Basilisk. The Locket shows you your greatest fear, almost like a Dementor and effects your emotions severely. The Ring puts a curse on you that normally kills within the hour or so but Snape was powerfup enough to keep it contained to Dumbledore's hand, but it still killed him within a year. Harry and Nagini are of course living creatures and have a natural instinct to protect themselves. The Cup and Diadem however don't seem to have any defences. But why? What makes them different?
Well, we can assume that if someone actually chose to WEAR the Diadem, it would have had active defenses. The locket began working while worn and 'opened'. The Diary began working when it was written in. And the ring, as you said, worked when it was worn. The Cup is more difficult, perhaps it would have affected anything that is drank from it? But who in their right mind would drink from such an object?
I don't think the Ring puts a curse on you normally; that's the defense Voldy gave it. I don't think the Cupt and Diadem would've killed the user outright, probably try to do what the diary did and fuse to you. The Ring is different since it's a family heirloom and Voldy didn't want anyone else to have it. Even the Locket tried to 'fuse' with someone (Ron) but when it was exposed it used Ron's feelings to make him choose it over Harry.
More questions: -What exactly is a untethered soul? (a whole one) -And in contrast what would Voldemorts 1/7 part soul look/feel like. I had to be somewhat tangible to interact and posess others (animals, quirrel) right? -If the lose soul fragment came in contact with a Horcrux, what if anything would happen? -And the opposite, if it came near or close to a pure light magic object, would it be dispelled? (I am imaginen Voldemorts lose soul floating around just dodging people in love out of fear) -How does a posession work? Is it charmed, a spell, or like A song of ice and fire, a fierce battle in the mind.? -Could it be used like a tool? A super spy master, makes a horcrux, kills himself eiher permanently or for a while, floats around and spies on people, then returns to life when it has absorbed the info it needed. I can imagine dark lords blackmailing people into doing this if it worked like that. -Can Voldemorts soul ever move on, like you said, it would be extremely painful to feel the remorse, hence the fetal position in Kings Cross, but what happens, when he has felt it all at some point, like a thousand years later. Will the soul be redeemed?
Yes, more Harry Potter theories. I’ve seen a channel exploring the lore of Hogwarts Legacy, and the Blackwood family (a 1/2 blood line of the Black family) which get’s referenced in a magical maze which appears in the game… community seems a bit split on whether HL is canon or not… it’s part of the franchise, but JK hasn’t commented one way or the other on it… could be some interesting theories to explore is all
The only part I disagree with is the idea that, whenever you split your soul for a new horcrux, every part of your soul residing on previous horcruxes is also split in half. Think of it this way: Voldemort has created his first horcrux (the diary), he is now 1/2 Voldemort, as is the diary, he then goes ahead and creates his second horcrux, it would make sense that he is now 1/4 Voldemort, along with his new horcrux, while the diary still contains 1/2 of him, but if, as you say, the diary splits his soul again, then, where does it go? Does it die? Does it cease existing? If so, let's say he was able to feel the remorse needed to mend his soul back together, he would then be 3/4 Voldemort? Would he be whole? It doesn't feel right...
J, I appreciate the warning about making a Horcrux. But my crazy D&D wizard still has great deeds(TERRIBLE! But Great) to do for the greater good. So he has no choice but to do the D&D equivalent and become a Lich😈🤣
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lol imagine the multiple spidermen meme happening with voldy. lol multiple voldies in a circle all surprisingly pointing at eacvhother. what a strange movie that would be lol. like, voldy wins but ends up in some sort of multi minded psychosis, freaking the f out. "oh thats just voldy, gonna take him a while to sort himself out"
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So you said the opal neclace isnt a horcrux....but ive always thought it was actually the FIRST ever horcrux and thats why no one could even touch it
“How can you form a relationship with a ring?”
Gollum: 👀
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Ironically, the ring of power also contained a bit of soul of another dark lord. And that bit of soul did exactly what the locket ended up doing to the wearer. Did JK use the ring of power to influence how horcruxes work?
@coolnerdlll6053 can't be that blatant come on now. It's fine if other works influence you, but if you go full tilt and outright steal an idea from someone else, that's just plagiarism. The similarities are already very apparent. A piece of jewelry infused with the soul of an evil dark lord that will torture the wearer and will fight back against being destroyed. That bit of soul keeping the one who put the soul into the jewelry tied to the mortal realm. And the only way to defeat said dark lord is by destroying the jewelry completely. There are differences aplenty to keep it from just blatant plagiarism
@@brettbrooks5511Yeah. She almost certainly did. The One Ring is actually both a lot like a Horcrux and the complete opposite at the same time. Sauron is a Maia, and so he is immortal by nature. When he created the Ring, he actually introduced that weakness of binding himself to the Ring in exchange for more power, specifically power over the 19 Rings of Power. Had he never created the ring, he never could have been permanently killed. Basically, before he created the Ring he was like Voldemort when he has his Horcruxes. You can kill his body but he never truely dies, and he can form a new body. When the One Ring is destroyed, Sauron isn't actually killed. He's reduced to a spirit, never able to gain enough power to reform a body, because so much of his power was put into the Ring. He becomes a lot like what Voldemort was after he tries to kill Harry as a baby, except he can't come back.
I mean it’s also a dangerous magical object that’s keeping another dark lord alive so…
Voldemort's downfall was choosing Horcrux items that were way too specific. All he had to do was turn a grain of sand into a Horcrux and then chuck it into the Sahara Desert. Job done.
The reason he made Horcruxes in the first place was because of his immense, overwhelming ego. At that point he wouldn’t choose anything other than what he did.
Facts. His obsession with meaningful symbolism screwed him over in multiple ways.
I'm not sure if you can turn a sand grain into a Horcrux. Would the soul physically fit into it?
Yeah, Harry pitched this to Dumbledore although he said it’s not like portkeys. But why not? The locket was hidden with no human connection so it’s not anything like that
I think you have to have some personal connection with the object
I had always thought the idea of the soul as a sheet of cloth was a good metaphor. When you do harm and bad makes the sheet dirty. You can do good to clean it but stains remain and takes alot of work to truly be clean again. Depending on the evil acts causes the sheet to fray the ends and tear. Murders would cause clean rips of the sheet but most people do their best to keep it small and to not tear that sheet too much. I assumed making a horcrux would purposefully do great evil and murder with the intent to tear your own soul sheet so much that a piece of it would tear off completely. This would be real Dark magic and would explain why not all murders immediately create horcruxes. The caster has to intentually make the rip completely tear their soul.
Thx for answering my question 😊. Also, really good reference
Taking your very good analogy, committing murder does cause your soul to fray and tear, but is remains intact and repairable. Even if the soul tears, remorse and repentance can repair the damage somewhat. After you commit murder, THEN you cast the horcrux spell. That takes that piece of soul and PERMANITLY separate it from person.
Even Grinwald soul, after his defeat but before his genuine remorse, was cleaner that Voldemort's soul post Goblet of Fire.
I feel like these are really good explanations.
This is a classic case of me opening a SCB video thinking "I know everything about this topic" and then saying "oh I never thought about that actually" about 20 times by the end of the video
Same.
You are in my mind!
The opal necklace could be something voldemort experimented on to practice the protections he had in mind for his horcruxes
Or, it could be the horcrux of another dark wizard. Specifically I’m thinking of the one who invented the horcrux, Herpo the Foul.
@@chadpeterson5698why would it be though? Herpo lived in Ancient Greece. That necklace doesn’t look particularly Ancient Greek. Also, opals are pretty fragile gemstones, probably not an ideal soul container. There are other cursed items. It doesn’t have to be a horcrux just because it is evil.
I always saw the diary as being able to come back because Voldemort had probably put so much of himself into it. NO Im not talking about it being the first horcrux (although that may have helped) but like with the painting in Dumbledore’s office Voldemort probably wrote a LOT about himself and his feelings in that diary growing up so the diary could take on his persona.
You could have something there. Voldemort pours his hopes, dreams and fears into the diary over years of his life then gives it a part of his own soul. Fast forward and Ginny also pours her hopes, dreams and fears into the diary allowing it to try and develop a life of its own. An unintended self aware existence like the ford angelina. Possibly with Ginny's soul trapped in the diary in place of Voldemorts.
@@Senkoau agreed mostly I do think Ginny soul itself would probably have been consumed to create the second Voldemort
@@SenkoauI actually think the opposite. what we see of Tom is hatred, anger and hostility. I think he intended it as a weapon in a Sauron-esque way. like he poured his malice and his cruelty into that book for years. it also makes me wonder if he used the diary after it was a horcrux.
I feel like part of why the diary had such an effect was it is the only item that personally belonged to Voldemort like his it’s true owner, everything else has passed through so many hands
That "1 year old Harry decapitating Voldemort" bit would be so fun seeing art of 😂😂 am I the only one?
Throw that into Sora AI and get a 1min vid of it
15:25 The necklace could have been Tom practicing to know exactly what spell he needed to cast to put the protections on the ring
A small part of me wonders if when each of the horcruxes were slowly possessing the person if it was also that piece of voldemorts soul trying to gain a new body
So, the Rings of Power, then?
I think it may have still had the possessing effect if it wasn't for the curse voldemort put on the ring on. From what I've seen/researched sofar the only times the horcruxes have purposely harmed someone before a connection is made. Are when they're are the protective curses on the items. Like example the container the locket was in and the curse in the lestrange vault. Sofar the only horcruxes that have been violent with out having the possed connection first is nagini and a small part harry also depending on how you looked they're fights.
@@Elementalgodess-1 I think that each of the horcruxes had some sentient factor like the diary.
we see the locket affect the minds of those wearing it, and even remotely trying to convince Ron not to destroy it.
we know the Diary had the ability to communicate via the ink.
I suspect that even Harry's insane luck and abilities were that portion of voldemort's soul trying to protect the vessel.
we know that Dumbledore gave into the call of the void and touched the ring, which may have been that portion of the soul trying to protect itself by tricking Albus into a deadly curse.
we don't see much about the cup or the diadem. but I've got some ideas:
we know the cup was with the party for a while. one thing I've always noticed is that Ron and Hermione act kinda strange during the battle for Hogwarts. Hermione is constantly remarking about how brilliant Ron is. we see Ron also complementing Hermione for her bravery and ability to deliver. maybe becasue the cup also had some magic from Helga, Voldemort's soul only had the ability to try to convince a person that their greatest qualities were actually much less than others, and we just don't get enough time to see it play out.
We also don't see the diadem for very long. it doesn't seem to have any protective spells on it, but in the room of requirement, we see Crabbe uncharacteristically decide to do something of his own volition and cast fiendfyre. perhaps the diadem convinced Crabbe to attempt this very powerful spell in an attempt to defend itself. this one kinda fails because it is what ends up destroying it.
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I read your comment like 10 seconds before that part of the video happened 😂
This video got me thinking about the basilisk bite Harry endures.
His life is saved of course by Fawkes' tears, but could the bite have potentially destroyed Voldemorts piece of soul in Harry - without Harry dying?
I guess not, as he is not beyond repair as a vessel.
Would he potentially have been able to speedrun all the "becoming the master of death" levels in his earlier years, so he could decide to go back after basilisk induced fatality?
To me, it feels like the Diary was more 'aware' than most of the other Horcruxes. That could be because of what it was, but either way, that begs the question. How conscious IS the Diary, and did it at all resent Voldemort for essentially 'trapping' it inside the dairy, and having it sealed away. It's like it was locked in a prison, but with little chance of a visitor. Going by that line of logic, it makes sense why it tried to make a body for itself. It probably wanted it's autonomy back.
I suspect that all of the horcruxes had the sentience, but only the diary had a good way of displaying it. We see the locket try to convince Ron to not destroy it, so maybe all of the horcruxes had this ability to intelligently react to the world around it. perhaps wearing the diadem would have had a similar effect where it allows Voldemort's soul to attempt to control you.
I always interpreted that the diary instructed ginny to perform a resurrection spell/potion, since it was also able to instruct her to speak parseltongue. I personally don't think the diary did manifest its own body, I think it effectively Imperio'd Ginny into doing it for him, just that the spell or potion used was different than the one Wormtail used.
Yes, the more I think about it, the less "special" the Diary seems to be. It looks like all Horcruxes are conscious, and they contain a copy/snapshot of Voldemort's personality, the way he was at the time the Horcrux was made. It does not age or change. The Locket had Tom Riddle's *dark* eyes, not red, as though the entity living inside it was frozen in time and also quite independent from the real Voldemort.
@@Snidget-76 I hadn’t even noticed that each horcrux represents who he was when he made them. Like nagini is in attack mode because so was he, Harry is relatively passively successful because Voldemort thought he was about to beat death when he killed Lily. The other objects are very mysterious and dangerous like how he was while he was hunting these items down. That’s an awesome parallel
@@seankrake4776 You know, I was thinking more in terms of Tom Riddle's age and how much he knew about the world and his own "future", but that can also include his mood and goals at the time! That is a very interesting thought 👍
I was also wondering why the Horcrux in Harry does *not* manifest as a separate consciousness. It only seems to affect Harry's emotions.
@@Snidget-76 - Indeed. It makes me wonder what it would have been like if all the Horcruxes found 'hosts' and by the time Harry comes around, the world is still at war, and we had like, 5 separate incarnations of Voldemort battling each other for dominance, while the Shade is doing it's thing. And Harry is just like "They are going to expect me to fix THIS??"
For all these years, I’ve always been under the impression that the Horcrux was used up to bring back the witch or wizard. I wonder how I didn’t realize that I was wrong lol.
I love when J starts to make a mini theory about the opal necklace and the ring protection 😂 this mini of script moment
A Voldemort vs. Voldemort fight would have been amazing!
Imagine both of them going "Nyeh-heh-heh" at the same time.
I think that the wandering Voldemort soul would have inhabited the resurrected Tom's body. kinda like how he does with Quirrell, Harry, and Nagini.
@@seankrake4776 I just had a sudden image of Voldemort on the back of Ginny's head throughout Chamber of Secrets. Tell me that's not funny.
I went back and checked slughorn’s memory in half blood prince. They use the verbs split, tear, rip, and divide, but they never actually say “in half”. I suppose it’s sort of implied? I always assumed voldemort is just ripping off small chunks from his soul
This got me thinking about how Dumbledore told Harry he didn't think the potion containing the locket would actually kill the drinker, because Voldemort would've wanted to interrogate him. That makes no sense, since drinking the potion makes you so thirsty you'll drink water filled with corpses, waking them up so they WILL kill you. (Being killed by inferi tends to ruin interrogations.) Furthermore, as was pointed out, Voldemort cursed the ring so it would kill the wearer. It was only very fast action on Dumbledore and Snape's part that stopped Albus's death from being immediate.
If young tom riddle came back could that half of voldemort make more horcruxes
No, since its still only a part of the original Voldemort. How can you make more pieces of a piece? Probably wouldn't be large enough make it effective, since Voldemort already has so many horkruxes. 😂
@@4louisMC there is no limit to horcruxes you could create an infite number... why not tho?
@@malteb.372 I think there is a limit to how many horcruxes one can have. We can see in the last movie, that (although he was still strong) Voldemort was only a shadow of the one we saw in Chamber of Secrets, so everytime he splits his soul, he will be less of himself because there will be less soul in his body. You could compare it to our world when you cut a cake in half and then again and again and again, eventually you will have such small pieces that you won't have anything cake-related left, for example only some hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms that you can't call cake anymore
@@einflinkeswiesel2695 The Diary soul might be a larger fragment capable of being successfully split. Especially if the piece grew from absorbing what was Ginny's soul-- then it might be able to make seven Horcruxes like the original Voldemort
I would argue yes. this video claims that none of the horcruxes were a percentage of his soul, just that each container anchored part of his severed soul to the land of the living.
I see lots of people still arguing that each container holds a fraction of voldy, but I don't think that's true. I think of it like having a single long chain, and a big anchor at the end of it.
the chain never changes sizes, but when your soul splits, it breaks the anchor. You still have the same weight, each part of the anchor is still pulling the exact same chain, but if a part of the anchor gets destroyed and removed from the chain, you lose the weight of it. while all portions of the anchor are attached, the chain is the same length, and overall has the same weight. it doesn't take half of the chain and connect one part to each half anchor, it just segmented the anchor that provides the weight to the chain. when any part of the anchor gets destroyed, it lessens the whole weight of the chain, and when all parts of the anchor have been removed, the chain no longer can grasp onto the seabed
My personal (and entirely unfounded) head cannon, is that the diary horcrux used its powers to control Ginny into performing a ritual or making a potion that allowed his body to return. I think this version of the ritual/potion used the entire life force of the performer to manifest a body for the soul to attach to. we know that when Wormtail brings Voldy back in GOF, he performed some spells of Voldy's own creation, and made a body reforming potion and regeneration potions to keep the corpse body alive. I think this second ritual/spell/potion was an optimized/refined way of recovering the body using the information he learned on his first attempt.
I always found it interesting that Harry got the lightning shaped scar when he became a horcrux, but there was never any indication that any of the other objects got any kind of mark when they were made into horcruxes.
I don't think the scar is a result of being made a horcrux but rather of the spell itself. Although the killing curse is not supposed to leave a mark, I think Harry was an exception because the curse interacted with Harry's mother's blessing/charm and the interaction between these two powerful forms of magic was the scar.
Harry was made a horcrux by accident as Voldemort's soul was so maimed that a piece came off and attached itself to Harry upon Voldemort's death. I
@@olandirI always assumed the scar is from when Voldemorts soul forced itself into Harry's body. I might be wrong though.
Wasn't the part of soul inhabiting Harry an accident, whereas all the other horcruxes are deliberate, making Harry's case a bit different from a horcrux proper?
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I would appreciate more of an explanation over how the soul portions are all always equal. Not to say it’s always 50/50 either. What if the ripped piece is a different size each time you kill you someone, dependent on how attached you were to the individual. Like, killing someone you truly love would result in the largest piece possible, and someone you didn’t know (or someone you wanted to kill) would result in the smallest possible piece breaking off.
@aisleelovegreenwood6448 I don't think this part is true. I don't think a percentage of a soul tied to an object would jump from that object to a new one. I think your first idea is more on track.
I think of it like having a single long chain, and a big anchor at the end of it. the chain (soul) never changes sizes, but when your soul splits, it breaks the anchor(vessel). You still have the same weight, but if that part of the anchor gets destroyed and removed from the chain, you lose the weight of it. while all portions of the anchor were attached, the chain was the same length, and overall had the same weight. it doesn't take half of the chain and connect one part to each half anchor, it just segmented the anchor that provides the weight to the chain. when any part of the anchor gets destroyed, it lessens the whole weight of the chain, and when all parts of the anchor have been removed, the chain no longer can grasp onto the seabed(the world of the living).
A Horcrux is a Phylactery. Voldemort is a Lich.
Yeah this is probably true
My thinking is that every Horcrux COULD become it's own person but only through very specific means. The intended function is as an anchor but each soul piece is still sentient and I imagine being trapped in an object is unpleasant. Knowing that the diary works by draining life force,I kinda feel like the ring's curse is how it comes back,by draining life force. The others I'm unsure of but I think it is,at least,theoretically possible for each Horcrux to become a Voldemort, even if it's not exactly practical
I think it would be possible through the resurrection potion Voldemort used in book 4. I think it is made specifically to revive you from a Horcrux, and originally your Horcrux would be placed in it. Its multiplication effect was, however, never tested, as there is no point of using it before your body dies, and nobody before Voldemort had multiple Horcruxes.
Through attachment, I'm not sure for most of them. Unlike an intelligent diary, the other objects are hard to attach to, unless the way you obtain them makes you so through memories, but they aren't supposed to be found and taken possession of.
@leventebardossy5962 I'd say that sounds about right. Whatever baby-like form he was in in book 4 seems kinda like it was a Horcrux of sorts
@@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185 Indeed, it may have been some temporary Horcrux, which the prime soul shard could leave without himself dying (like Quirrell). I'm not sure though if it's an ability one single Horcrux automatically gives someone or Voldemort just got it from making many.
@@leventebardossy5962 I'd agree,sounds about right
when i read the first sentence, i imagined the locket sprouting legs and arms and running away 😭
It's uncanny how close this video is to answering my theory I wanted you guys to explore. I posted my comment on the third "what if James had his cloak" video and you guys delivered!😍 Not sure if my comment in particular had anything to do with the motivation for this video but I'm just glad that it happened. You basically just answered all the questions my what if theory proposition had hahah. That's why I love you guys, you never fail to amaze me!⚡️
I love how he wanted to be immortal, but didn't even make it to 60
I think he died at, like, 71.
@carmensavu5122 December 1926-May 1998 would in fact make him 71. You're correct.
"could there be two Voldemorts?"
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also knowing that Voldemort could exist in Quirrell's body, could Voldemort prime have lived in Tom's body?
WHO entered the chat 😂
I think you should re-visit "The Fraction Theory" but this time remember that Tom learned about horcruxes and inquired about splitting the soul into seven peices as a student (in other words, before he made them) so instead of halving it each time Tom would have intentionally put 1/7th of his soul into each of the six horcruxs he intended to make, leaving the last 1/7th in his body. He will accidentally split this last 1/7th into two 1/14ths, one in harry and the other floating around in the albainian forrests or whatever.
If he could actually exactly measure and split his soul like that. But perhaps, the soul got halved every time, first horcrux had half oh his soul, the second 1/4, the next one 1/8 and so on.
But he didn't knew he could split his soul into seven parts when made the diary and the ring a horcrux.
My headcanon is that the fragments were messy painful tears not clean cuts.
Thats an interesting thought @@patrickhackett7881.
Its made me think of another theory that not only could they be tears or rips as opposed to clean cuts but also the size of the piece of soul ripped out could vary depending on how emotional you are when you make the horcrux.
For example if one just killed an unknown, random person its might be a smaller fragment of soul ripped apart versus killing someone you know and hate or even love (Tom couldn't love but if if someone else made a horcrux than maybe.)
I love how the subtitles interpreted "Voldemort" as "Baltimore" 😂
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With the horcrux's not attempting to do the same thing as the diary, could it be that they somehow felt that voldermort had a body and therefore felt no need to make/steal another one?
I believe the diary was actually the 1st choice for him to return.
I think once riddle had become corporeal or whatever from taking a students life force, riddles memory would become the perfect vessel for voldy prime to return. The horcrux would remain as an anchor in the diary. AND this way he gets to keep his nose 😂
The thing that always confused me is if the process of making a horcrux is supposedly so disturbing and gross that it actually made Rowling’s editor sick, then how was it possible that Harry could even become an accidental horcrux? Was the ritual done before the actual murder?
By that point, Voldemort had mangled, twisted, and ripped his soul so much that it had become fragile, causing a piece to just randomly break off and attach to the nearest living thing it could find, that thing being Harry.
@@AustynSN I guess that makes sense. But I also find it kind of strange that up until that point, every horcrux he made was an inanimate object, yet this piece of his soul automatically attached to the nearest living thing it could find. I guess I just feel like for it essentially being the cornerstone of the entire series, there seem to be questions about the how and why that weren’t given a thorough explanation.
quick question what would happen to a Horcrux if you throw it through the veil in the DoM?
I actually believed that the Diary's Tom Riddle would still be a horcrux, like Nagini.
I've always wondered what happened to Voldemort's original body the night he tried to kill baby Harry. It should have been left at the Potters. You said it destroyed his body but that's not how Avada Kedavra works. Shouldn't his body have been left behind and why didn't anyone find it? My head canon is that Dumbledore sent Snape to destroy the body because he knew Voldemort was not gone for good and wanted people to think he was still out there somewhere, which would be tough if his body was laying around. The movies depict Snape as going to Godric's Hollow after the incident. That is also why it took so long to get Harry to Privet Drive. I would be interested in what you guys think.
I’ve never thought about this before! Snape disposing of the body sounds entirely plausible. SCB, please do a theory on this!
Have you done an episode about why each item was chosen by voldemort to be a horcux?
Please do a video about the theory of the opal necklace being a Horcrux, it's a really interesting thought
12:53 I know you meant it as a side note, but thank you for clarifying this! This has always been a point of contention for me. You spelled it out nicely. I wonder if he should have pursued 7 horcruxes all along...but fate has ways to try prevent that from ever happening?
The diary was also the first one he made right? So perhaps it had more of a will of its own due to his inexperience in the technique. Personally I always figured it's extra "sentience" was a result of it being Tom's diary in the first place. It was something he poured his inner thoughts and feelings into not to mention plans and aspirations. He had an intimate connection to it that far surpassed any other horcrux by far even the ring.
The discussion starting around 13:45 seems questionable to me. You say that a mundane form of destruction, like breaking something in half, wouldn't destroy the horcrux because the object could be repaired. But if that's the case, wouldn't the broken pieces essentially act as separate horcruxes? Could you, for example, make a piece of paper into a horcrux, put it through a shredder, and then hide the individual shreds in many locations?
No, the soul needs the container mostly intact in order to keep existing. Just like a decapicated body cannot keep a soul from passing on.
I absolutely love it that you still call it the towel section
The question I have is, can a horcrux create a horcrux? Like if diary riddle came back could he create a horcrux?
That's a good question honestly probably, he didn't mention it in this video but has in the past, but the reason the diary is so dangerous is because that part of Voldemort is the most Voldemort out of all the Voldemort like the piece of Tom is more Voldemort than Voldemort is there he probably would consider himself to be Voldemort prime, he's also the only one who technically could do the whole remorse thing since he's the first part of soul, but probably not still since he even back then didn't ever really feel remorseful, but if he could he'd be the one that could I think, because by the time you get to Voldemort prime there is so little humanity left inside of him that it's just not possible, I'm still a little bit confused about Tom Riddle piece of soul in the diary, but I think he is different from the other ones in that he could actually return and have a proper body because of how the hokcrocks was made
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@@AshleysAdviceSuch a good answer! I always thought the same thing. On the other hand, I don't think Diary-Voldemort would attemt other Horcruxes, since he would perhaps discover that his soul is in 7 pieces already (Prime, Diary, Ring, Cup, Diadem, Locket, and Harry). By killing Harry in the Chamber, I think, one Horcrux would recognize the other. Therefore no other Horcrux would be of need.
The Diary-Horcrux is so special because it is a safe haven for that piece of soul and a sincere weapon on the other. Actually, Dumbledore mentions to Harry that this very feature tipped him of. Voldemort must have created more than one horcrux if he was willing to make a weapon out of one. Since the second book he tried to figure out how many were out there. Hence the importance of Slughorns memory.
@@j.e.5834 Yeah agreed, I highly doubt he would've it just wouldn't make sense, but the diary is definitely powerfully on par with Voldemort prime, like I think it's pretty obvious he has more Voldemort in him than Voldemort does at this point, which just interesting in terms of how the story could've played outif he had rose power which like I said they did already discuss and a different video
@@AshleysAdvice I said "pretty obvious" in my Lockhart voice lol
I always thought you would "use" a Horcrux if you die. Thank you for the explanation❤
But, when Voldy came back the first time, none of them stopped working
Ive always wondered. Why do the super carlin bros say towel section?
Imagine the video frame is longer and you can see their whole body. The comments section is right where a towel would go if they wrapped it around their lower half.
Diary - 50%
Ring - 25%
Locket - 12.5%
Cup - 6.25%
Diadem - 3.125%
Harry - 1.562%
Nagini - 0.781%
Voldemort Prime - 0.781%
This is how much soul each part of Voldemort has if we follow the first theory😅
Which I think makes more sense. Cause what do you think happened when Voldemort was turning the Ring into a Horcrux? That 1/3rd of the soul from the diary just came out of it and embedded itself into the ring? But then again, if it was this way, Diary Riddle should be more powerful than Voldemort Prime, but VP simply has more experience. This entire thing is definitely messed up.
Also, one thing I’m really curious about is this, we know what Voldemort looks like thanks to Goblet of Fire. But did he always look like this before he went down? Like what did he look like when he came to kill the Potters? Are the snakelike features due to Nagini’s milk or something?
Did Rowena Racenclaw have ancient magic? In Hogwarts Legacy it says something along the lines of "Hogwarts was made by and is in itself a Stronghold of said ancient magic," Does that mean Ravenclaw had ancient magic? Did another founder? Maybe that guy in the movies and games who had the statue, he helped plan the castle, maybe he also helped make it?
I wonder what would happen, when you throw a horcrux through the Veil?
Technically the horcrux is not destroyed, but on the other hand, that piece of soul entered the afterlife. So could you hide a working horcrux behind the veil where nobody can destroy it, or does the container get destroyed 'automatically'?
Great question! I guess since Sirius dies with no body when falling through the veil, I would assume the container is destroyed...
Since it is on the other side, it can no longer act as an anchor to life, regardless of whether the container is destroyed.
When Tom's memory becomes fully capable, does the soul leave the dairy? Or is Tom still bound to the pages?
Horocruxes was the most confusing part of HP for me when I read the books as a little kid. Thank you SCB for explaining this to my tiny brain
It's nothing compared to Time Turners. I can safely say Harry Potter has the most confusing version of time travel I have ever seen. Just the idea that your future selves are already present before you go back in time makes my head hurt.
That is very true. When I hade started to read the books (around 13) and got to the time turner parts I though “oh about her story with time travel how exciting” I didn’t think about it to hard
@@coolnerdlll6053 except that the concept of a fixed time loop (this being that the actions you take while in the past have already happened, but you must still go back to do them) is actually one of the most common versions of time travel portrayed in media in general.
@DreadKyller It's not usually depicted in such a confusing way. In Back to the Future, Marty doesn't see the other DeLorean crash into the movie theater while he's headed to the mall.
Now I want you to make a theory video: "What if Diary Riddle comes back: _Voldemort: Civil War_ "
I like the thought that the necklace was a practice version of the enchantment on the ring. He created/ enchanted them both.
what if tom came backout of the diary and created a Horcrux, would it save both from dying?
Thank you so much for this video because it cleared up a misconception I've had since the books were new.
You even specifically mention in this video how I thought it worked. I always thought that each horcrux was like a "life." Like if someone were to successfully Avada Kedavra Voldemort prime then he would die but consume one of the Horcrux's, using up a "life" and then return to life anew. I always thought Dumbledore could duel Voldemort eight times and if he killed him eight times then that would use up all of Voldemort's horcrux's.
Now I understand that each individual horcrux prevents Voldemort from dying which is why it was so important to hunt them all down before the final confrontation. Dumbledore could kill Voldemort over and over and he would always come back as long as there was one horcrux. Blowing my mind. Thanks SuperCarlinBrothers!
Hey guys! Love the new videos keep it up! 😁
Here's an interesting theory question. If you knew the spell/incantation to infuse an object with a severed piece of a soul to make a horcrux, could you bind Voldemort's bodiless soul piece to an object and then problem solved for the most part? As far as we know apart from the diary he wouldn't be able to pull the piece of soul out of the object. As far as we know horcrux containers are non-transferrable.
Is it ever stated that the soul is split by a specific percentage per horcrux? I only remember the phrasing being "a piece".
Dumbledore said to Snape that when the Killing Curse rebounded on Lord Voldemort, a tiny fragment was blasted from the whole...which means that Harry's horcrux was a small piece of an already maimed and diminished soul.
But would a Horcrux protect you from old age?
If i made a Horcrux now in my 30's, and then 50-60 years from now was in my 80's or 90's, what would that be like? Would i be an old wrinkled prune alive and unable to die, still young and fit, or would i die on my deathbed and then turn into the mist-form without a body?
I have a question..., one that I might have asked previously on Patreon.
Is it possible that Moldevort's soul is still around, because Hermione duplicated the locked during the trio's infiltration on the ministry?
The reason for this question because of the attack on Gringotts.
The treasure in the Bellatrix's vault keeps continually replicating, so could the horcrux enchantment on the duplicated locket also have been copied over?
What would happen if two people made the same object into a horcrux?
It's implied that part of the ritual required to create a horcrux involves cannibalism of the person killed (though it's probably isn't conducive to an ad friendly video).
Is it possible to curse something that only a select few are immune to? Like Voldemort made himself immune to the ring’s curse?
8:18 at least until his father runs out of bones
I would love to see a 7 book series on Voldemort dealing with his alternates as they reform from the horcruxes.
Come to think of it, the lack of a mechanism to restore a body seems to be a pretty significant failing of the spell.
Now - What if Voldemort passed through the veil? Would his disembodied soul fragment be trapped in the realm of the dead?
Not-so-serious question: what would happen if you nuked a horcrux?
I wish they had the actor that played Tom in chamber of secrets during the memories he had all the looks that was described in the books
I don't think the diary could have come back at, it only thought that it could. That particular horcrux was created when Tom Riddle had just learned about them, so it would be reasonable that being able to become a new Voldemort was just an assumption or him misunderstanding how it worked.
horcuxes are like the phylactery of a lich except it doesn't instantly begin to reform a new body they have to figure that part out on their own
What if theories to ponder: what if Quirrell had succeeded at getting the stone from Gringotts at the beginning of book 1? What if Harry had succeeded at keeping his temper during Aunt Marge's visit in book 3? & finally, what if Snape had stopped caring about Lily when she picked James over him in school?
That’s actually a pretty good sponsorship offer for Better Help. Definitely peaks my interest into looking into some form of therapy. Thanks!
its good to see that a Theory from @FilmTheory is getting revisited by you two. Put a smile on my face regarding MatPat is passing down this channel and they did this theory a few years back
There could be an evil wizard that made a single horcrux and it was just lost to time/the earth/etc. A pebble in the sea, who knows? So the evil wizard could be dead but stuck in vapor form forever. Or until the Earth a'splodes. There could be dozens of wizards in this predicament.
But if you need the bone of the father then could you argue that there is a limit amount of times you can come back because there is a limit of bones your father has
Maybe any ancestor will do. Still limited, but a lot more.
@@thorthewolf8801 yeah that makes sense. And can you just use the smallest bit of bone, like if you could grind the bones into a powder and just use a small part of that?? Opened up a can of worms for me :)
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I actually pitched an idea to another Harry Potter TH-camr known as Harry Potter Theory that the inventor of the horcrux Herpo the Fowl lives still, and he actually made a video on it where he said that said neckless could be his horcrux
What if voldemort just hide a horcrux in the champer of secrets? Someone would have to use a horcrux to find a horcrux so if the dairy is destroyed then the champer of secrets would never be opened which means the horcrux in the champer can't be found and voldemort can't die
I'd argue the fraction theory would make the most sense to explain away the diary, it has the most amount of soul to come back to form.
So if your soul isn't in fractions, what keeps someone from making infinite horcruxes?
Before watching the video:
We only get a really good look at how two of the horcuxes work, the diary and the locket. They seem very different.
The diary appears to be simply what was claimed, a copy of Tom Riddles memories as a 16 year old. He appears as a fully realized person, or would have been if Harry hadn't destroyed the diary and save Ginny.
The locket just seems like a bundle of negative emotions, particularly anger, frustration, and jealousy.
I'm guessing since the diary was first, it was a "more complete" piece of his soul, and that's why it's pretty much his full personality
The locket was fourth, so there was less soul in Voldemort to work with when it was created. It was just some basic emotions, and being Voldemort, they were negative ones.
I cannot, good sir, hold my applause. Truly spot-on Hermione!!
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Something I was thinking about while watching this is Voldemorts own power/skill level throughout the years.
This combined with my personal belief that the significance of the kill is what determines the portion of soul torn away. Voldemort has killed potentially hundreds of wizards but only has 7 horcruxes. It mentions he specifically wanted special kills to make each one too.
So what if, since his first horcrux was made while in school, the reason it is so different yet powerful is because it was his first real kill. Which would naturally rip much more soul than someone who is used to murder. That coupled with his lack of experience means the horcrux has a lot less controls over it.
As the years go on the kills become more methodical, less passionate, and the horcruxes become more strategic and cunning. While ultimately being somewhat less powerful. I would argue the biggest portions of his soul are within the diary, harry, himself, and nagini
What I wanna know is what happens if a horcrux is made out of someone who has been kissed by a dementor. Say voldy ended up with Barty Jr's body post kiss, could he turn it into a horcrux, and there be two voldys, just one looks like barty?
Here is an other theory. We know the diary almost killed Jinny and almost revived Voltemord before was stopped. What if the other horcruxes also worked the same. The ring was removed before managed to kill Dambledore. If he continued wearing it could worked similarly, kill the victim and revive Voltemord. The cup and diadem could also work the same way. The locket was open only after speaking to it and immediately attacked any one near it. Maybe trying to make the victim kill himself, so it could revive his master?
Movieflame did a great video on this topic. And I’d love to see SCB react to one of his videos, since he watched Dumbledores big plan!
I love being in the first couple minutes of a video and watch the "No views" counter start going up
I understand that he puts part of his sole in the horcruxes. but i dont get how he puts his sole in a new body from the horcrux while keeping the same fractions of his sole in each horcrux. also if his original body was destroyed what body was used in his resurrection in goblet of fire?
You know, this is actually a very interesting question. How exactly do you make a Horcrux and do all of them have special properties? What I mean is that some Horcruxes seem to have defences but others don't. The Diary opens the chamber, kills someone to bring back Voldemort and summons a Basilisk. The Locket shows you your greatest fear, almost like a Dementor and effects your emotions severely. The Ring puts a curse on you that normally kills within the hour or so but Snape was powerfup enough to keep it contained to Dumbledore's hand, but it still killed him within a year. Harry and Nagini are of course living creatures and have a natural instinct to protect themselves. The Cup and Diadem however don't seem to have any defences. But why? What makes them different?
Well, we can assume that if someone actually chose to WEAR the Diadem, it would have had active defenses. The locket began working while worn and 'opened'. The Diary began working when it was written in. And the ring, as you said, worked when it was worn. The Cup is more difficult, perhaps it would have affected anything that is drank from it? But who in their right mind would drink from such an object?
I don't think the Ring puts a curse on you normally; that's the defense Voldy gave it. I don't think the Cupt and Diadem would've killed the user outright, probably try to do what the diary did and fuse to you. The Ring is different since it's a family heirloom and Voldy didn't want anyone else to have it.
Even the Locket tried to 'fuse' with someone (Ron) but when it was exposed it used Ron's feelings to make him choose it over Harry.
@@LOTR1801 I know the ring can't do that normally. I'm just going through the known abilities Volfie gave them all.
More questions:
-What exactly is a untethered soul? (a whole one)
-And in contrast what would Voldemorts 1/7 part soul look/feel like. I had to be somewhat tangible to interact and posess others (animals, quirrel) right?
-If the lose soul fragment came in contact with a Horcrux, what if anything would happen?
-And the opposite, if it came near or close to a pure light magic object, would it be dispelled?
(I am imaginen Voldemorts lose soul floating around just dodging people in love out of fear)
-How does a posession work? Is it charmed, a spell, or like A song of ice and fire, a fierce battle in the mind.?
-Could it be used like a tool? A super spy master, makes a horcrux, kills himself eiher permanently or for a while, floats around and spies on people, then returns to life when it has absorbed the info it needed. I can imagine dark lords blackmailing people into doing this if it worked like that.
-Can Voldemorts soul ever move on, like you said, it would be extremely painful to feel the remorse, hence the fetal position in Kings Cross, but what happens, when he has felt it all at some point, like a thousand years later. Will the soul be redeemed?
Yes, more Harry Potter theories. I’ve seen a channel exploring the lore of Hogwarts Legacy, and the Blackwood family (a 1/2 blood line of the Black family) which get’s referenced in a magical maze which appears in the game… community seems a bit split on whether HL is canon or not… it’s part of the franchise, but JK hasn’t commented one way or the other on it… could be some interesting theories to explore is all
This is EXCELLENT, its exactly what i needed for my story😭i have done so much research on horcruxes for it and this is the help i needed!!
0:52 That's actually the plot of a Hilarious Fanfiction called "Seventh Horcrux" by EmeraldAshes. I highly recommend it.
I don't think you'd "turn" evil by making one, since you pretty much have to be evil to make one in the first place
Can you kill Nagini with a regular sword and what would happen to the soul?
If a living being holds a horcrux and that living being dies, the horcrux’s container is essentially broken and can no longer hold it.
Question! Does it explain why Voldemort was so afraid of death or did he just want power forever?
The only part I disagree with is the idea that, whenever you split your soul for a new horcrux, every part of your soul residing on previous horcruxes is also split in half.
Think of it this way: Voldemort has created his first horcrux (the diary), he is now 1/2 Voldemort, as is the diary, he then goes ahead and creates his second horcrux, it would make sense that he is now 1/4 Voldemort, along with his new horcrux, while the diary still contains 1/2 of him, but if, as you say, the diary splits his soul again, then, where does it go? Does it die? Does it cease existing? If so, let's say he was able to feel the remorse needed to mend his soul back together, he would then be 3/4 Voldemort? Would he be whole? It doesn't feel right...
One thing you mentioned in the beginning made me wonder: does anyone who commits murder split their soul, even without making horcruxes?
J, I appreciate the warning about making a Horcrux. But my crazy D&D wizard still has great deeds(TERRIBLE! But Great) to do for the greater good. So he has no choice but to do the D&D equivalent and become a Lich😈🤣
I have a theory idea what if Harry's wand had broke when the troll had been knocked out
Oh. My. God.
I emailed scb the whole horcrux math thing last year!!! I can't believe they used it in a video. How awesome is that!?
Were there any protection spells on the locket? Like shouldn’t something have happened to Umbridge when she wore it?