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I don't care if Jay grows face fur or not I just want to know why it took the super Carlin Brothers way this long to find out that the diary wasn't the first horcrux?!?? I have literally been sure of this for years the books even spoon feed it to us so why are the super Carlin Brothers lost in the DARK??!!?????
Why are both the creevy brothers wizards? Aren't they muggle born, or is it like Dean Thomas where he thought he was muggle born, because his dad was a milk man and I don't think we know who their mother is
What if the orphanage located the Riddle family and told them Merope died and the baby was there. What do you think would have happened if "Daddy" went and brought the infant home and raised him.
Bro just walked past the room of requirement thinking “yo where’s the chamber of secrets at” and it opened to a map of hogwarts with a comically large red arrow.
I highly doubt the room of requirement could do that as 1 only Slytherin & his direct descendants knew where the chamber was & 2 your request of the room has to be something the room can actually provide (Harry in hbp for example couldn't find out what draco was doing in the room as he didn't know specifically what draco was using the room for) the ONLY reason it sprouted the tunnel to the hogs head was because Neville specifically requested food & no magic can produce food from nothing & the ONLY reason it changed where it's exit was located while being used by the remnants of Dumbledores Army was because Neville specifically requested the room make it impossible for any supporters of the carrows to find it on the other hand draco DID know exactly how the DA was using the room so he could make a specific request that the room could actually provide (I need you to become the headquarters of the DA)
It's possible she wasn't at Hogwarts all the time. She originally came back to haunt her classmate, but then Ministry had to stop her because she was annoying, so she returned to Hogwarts.
Because they didn’t care much about her, remember? 1. She was being bullied. 2. It took HOURS for a teacher to send someone to look for her and the one chosen was her bully. 3. Dippet speaks as though he doesn’t know much about her, he at least didn’t use her name and he didn’t seem to consider asking Myrtle . (Which is why Harry didn’t realize that she was the girl who died until after speaking to Aragog.) 4. Harry notes that Myrtle reacted as though she hadn’t been so flattered when he questioned her. 5. Myrtle was often upset in general as a ghost. 6. Myrtle wanted revenge on her bullies. It’s not uncommon for bullied/neglected children to grow apathetic to those around them. She probably decided that if they weren’t interested in her, why should she be interested in them. So she kept quiet until someone aka Harry, finally decided to ask her about her own death.
She says no one asked her how she died? Myrtle apparently haunted her old school bully then was ordered by the ministry to haunt the bathroom at hogwarts where she died so that she doesn’t disturb the public.
Great video, it all fits so well. I always interpreted Tom asking Slughorn about Horcruxes as him already having made one horcrux and wanting to ask someone before he attempted another. I also thought that the diary was the first horcrux. but the diary being second and Myrtle dying shortly after his conversation with Slughorn makes Slughorn hiding the memory make way more sense imo.
The diary WAS 1st he killed myrtle at the end of his 5th year shortly before summer holidays then left the orphanage over the summer break & traveled to the gaunt shack expecting to meet his grandfather but instead meets his uncle who tells him where his dad & grandparents live then he stuns his uncle steals his wand kills his dad & grandparents makes the ring he took off his uncle's hand his 2nd horcrux then frames his uncle & returns to the orphanage don't forget that because his birthdays so late in the year he's almost a year older than most students in his year so he was almost 17 when he finished his 5th year
The conversation with Slughorn happens in Tom’s seventh year which blows this theory out of the water. That’s the thing with their theories, sometimes they miss pretty big things about the series because like everyone they forget details.
@@s6r231 yah like Ben claiming that voldy approached slughorn to find out what would happen if a wizard made more than one horcrux before making more than one & NOT because he wanted slughorns opinion on what would happen if a wizard split their soul into 7 pieces when Harry says flat out in dh that voldy DID only want slughorns opinion on what would happen if a wizard split their soul into 7 pieces & it's well established that Tom had already made 2 at that point the diary & the ring also Tom was in his 6th year NOT 7th when that memory takes place
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 hmmm Merrythought is retiring in that scene. Tom then goes to Dippet to see if he can be appointed to it. That doesn’t work if it’s his sixth year during that scene.
@@s6r231but Slughorn mentions that Tom is a prefect. (Paraphrasing: “Don’t want to get caught out of bed as a prefect”) If that conversation happened when he was in 7th year he’d be Head Boy
Your logic is a little off. This is exactly the order I’ve already read it, that Tom went to the Gaunt shack/ killed his Father’s family before he opened the Chamber of Secrets. I’ve always subscribed to the theory that the ring passes on the knowledge of how to open the chamber. However, we don’t get any confirmation in the books about when Tom turned the ring into a horcrux. This could still have been after he made the diary horcrux. In fact Wizarding World just says that “after a time of wearing the ring himself, Voldemort eventually turned the ring into a horcrux, and buried it deep within the ruins of his old family home, protecting it with enchantments”. This suggests Tom stopped wearing the ring after it became a horcrux. So if he was wearing the ring when he asked Slughorn about horcruxes, it probably wasn’t yet a horcrux.
Yeah I agree. He wanted to protect the horcruxes so I doubt he walked around wearing them. Otherwise he could’ve just worn the locket diadem all the time too lol
Except the ring and resurrection stone are Peverell family heirlooms, not Slytherin as the locket belonged to Slytherin himself. Yes these two families (descendants of Cadmus Peverell) merged at some point post c. 1250AD as 3rd brother Ignotus (Harry's ancestor) died in 1292 once he'd attained great age. As Slytherin secretly built the Chamber, his locket is the likely artifact to contain the secret of its location.
@@MoonstoneWillow841 The main problem with that is we don't know if the locket held memories or written instructions. By the time the Gaunts could've got the stone English had changed, and the locket could've been useless. If they thought the stone merely let them talk to dead relatives well that's great because they all speak parseltongue and could talk to Slytherin himself with no problem. These items and places have been around 1000 years it's more likely things have been known, forgotten, and relearned when even the invisibility cloak that was passed in a line was forgotten to be extraordinary.
In the books, i doubt Tom Riddle wearing the ring while talking to slughorn is a thing? I don't remember, at least. I think it may have been a movie only addition.
@@SuperCarlinBrothersI’m sure as perceptive as Dumbledore was, he had already had figured out something was going on w/ Tom as killing leaves a mark, and he killed to get the locket. Or maybe Tom was just being paranoid from his guilt and wanted privacy 😂
he was dense yes but he wasn't that dense that he didnt know what was happening around him. He did become an auror at the end without finishing school. Also he didn't even know he could speak parceltongue until his second year and that is also when he started hearing the voice in the walls. @Grunttamer
One problem with this explanation though; we know Voldy only found the locker _after_ graduating from Hogwarts when he worked for B&B, so even if the locket does tell one how to reach the chamber, he had to have found out some other way to have opened it as a prefect.
The chamber of secrets was opened in 1943 (presumably in June), the summer of his sixteenth year which you are referring to is the summer of 1943. He killed myrtle, and supposedly made the horcrux, before he found the ring. My theory is that when he talked to slughorn (in his sixth year so probably 1944) he had the ring but did not yet make it a horcrux since he wanted to hear from slughorn if it was possible to make more than one. Ps. It is also beautiful that the horcruxes are destroyed in the same order they were created: diary, ring, locket, cup, diadem, Harry, Nagini, then voldemorts body (which was actually created last at the end of goblet!)
Wizarding world basically debunks the SCB theory. It says that “after a time of wearing the ring himself, Voldemort eventually turned the ring into a horcrux, and buried it deep within the ruins of his old family home, protecting it with enchantments”. So if Tom was wearing the ring when he asked Slughorn about horcruxes, it probably wasn’t yet a horcrux.
@@jamessmithson-br7rmit's well known that voldy used the murder of his father to turn the ring into a horcrux so it WAS a horcrux when he was wearing it & when he decided to stop wearing it he hid it in his family's shack put the curse on it & concealed it with other enchantments but you're correct that he made the diary 1st right before the summer break then the ring 2nd a few months later over the summer then returned to Hogwarts also voldy went to slughorn to ask his opinion on splitting ones soul into 7 pieces so 6 horcruxes plus his body
I came back to this channel after years and years, and I was pleasantly surprised to find that almost nothing has changed in the vibes of these theories thank you for making this corner of the internet your own :)
This wasn’t before Tom riddle’s fifth year as Dumbledore says - at the age you are now Harry, give or take a few months Tom Riddle was doing all he could to make himself immortal. This means that he already had opened the chamber before killing Morfin and getting the ring. And anyway he visited Morfin to find about his heritage but he liked the ring so he got his revenge and stole the ring all at once. He didn’t visit the Gaunt to find the chamber or secrets
Another awesome SCB video! Would you ever consider doing a "Voldemort's Big Plan" video, akin to Dumbledore's Big Pan? Where we talk through what Voldemort wanted to have happen, maybe how-it-could-have-ended kind of thing? And we can see just how far into that plan he got before being thwarted? You guys rock!
I always assumed in Slughorn's memory Tom is in his 6th year, which means Myrtle has already died. I always thought the way the sequence in Harry's 6th year plays out, it suggests that Tom didn't create his first Horcrux until he got the information he wanted out of Slughorn
In my fanfic he knows all about horcrux creation and creates the first one right after myrtles death. What he asks Slughorn about is if its possible to make SEVERAL horcruxes since that information isnt written in the Secrets of the darkest arts book
I think by the time he's asking Slughorn he's already made 2, the ring and the diary. He was asking Slughorn about making 7 not making more than one leading me to think he'd already made the 2 and was thinking about more. And it was only after he'd made more than 2 that he started hiding them rather than keeping it on him to protect
I think he knows there is signs but doesn't want to go further without knowing how much he will sacrifice to make these things. By the time he goes back to Hogwarts to open chamber and get the Defense the Dark Arts post. He had already had physical changes to him. Also he knew his father's name in chamber of secrets because he already had talked to his relatives. So the book and the ring could have made .. he was trying to find the four items of the founders to use. Plus 3 more.
@@madalynnr9940 I doubt it. In The Chamber of Secrets Tom is alot older in the memory than in The Half Blood Prince memory. Since TCOS is right when Myrtle dies, it was after the Ring Horcrux. This is movie only, mind you. Verifying it in the books will be a little more difficult.
@@IdleLancer Chamber of Secrets Tom was a fifth year Slughorn's memory Tom was either fifth or sixth year it's just the different actor castings that give the impression of an age gap when they are basically the same age in both memories
VIdeo idea: What if at the end of the third book, Sirius or Lupin literally just stunned/petrified Peter before leaving the shrieking shack, preventing him from ever escaping? Never understood why they DIDN'T do that, especially since Hermione had no problem freezing Neville at the end of the first book...
All they needed was to summon an unbreakable see through cage that was size adaptive.. Then even if he turned back into a rat he would still be trapped and couldn't escape...
One big flaw in your story is that Tom was wearing the ring after the chamber had been opened (we know this because Tom mentions the DADA teacher retiring, the position which he then asked Prof Dippett if he could have which strongly suggests this scene was set in his seventh year). Once he made an object a horcrux he no longer kept it around much less went about wearing it while talking about horcruxes. Next the instructions are in Hufflepuff’s cup? If true that can’t be where he gets the information from since he doesn’t come into possession of it until after he leaves school when he has his first job collecting artefacts for Mr Burke.
Firstly I'm going to disagree that it wasn't yet a horcrux, the implication in the film when he fondles it while discussing making more than 1 implies it is. Agreed having them hidden makes more sense especially if you have more than 1, bit that's not what's implied. But even if you're correct it doesn't really damage the theory that he found the chamber via the gaunts. It outright says he visited them, took the ring, and killed morphin in the summer between his 4 and 5th years, and the chamber was opened in his fifth, which is when he was writing the diary. The diary must have come after the ring, and the pottermore quote about the gaunts being boastful of their knowledge also implies that's how riddle found the chamber.
@@Stephen10188 I mean if you're using the film as justification then you've already lost the argument. They did that because when they filmed it, they knew it was going to be a horcrux.
gotta add to the poinbt made around 10:30 ish. You DO NOT have to be a blood relative to get in the chamber. Ron goes in to get the Fang in the 7th book and says he remembers words from harry talking in his sleep so that protection you speak of Slytherin having isnt all its cracked up to be
Would love if you guys could work out a theory connecting Grindelwald to World War II in some way. Always thought it was way too much of a coincidence that Grindelwald and the Axis powers were both beaten for good in 1945.
One correction here. Parseltongue is rare but not limited to Slytherin's line. His line had it genetically but it was known that others could be Parseltongues. Much like how rare Metamorpmagus's were but it tended to run in a family.
Tom was very good at reading people, he likely saw that Slughorn would be too ashamed to tell anyone, which was of course correct since it was extremely hard for Dumbledore to get the memory from him, in fact it was completely impossible, it was only until Harry used the Felix Felicis potion that he finally revealed the memory. On top of that, murdering Slughorn would be extremely suspicious and could lead people on the track of the horcruxes, at that time Tom was convinced no one knew about the horcruxes, and HIM making horcruxes, that would likely have changed if he murdered the only man knowing horcruxes. In short, it simply wasnt worth the risk.
I don't know what your relationship with Rolling (sp?) is like, but I would be honored to have so much loving attention paid to my work. You are respectful even while coming up with off-the-wall theories that, inevitably, sound completely right.
I always imagined snakes in the forbidden forest were gossiping about the Basilisk. That's how Riddle discovered he was a Parsilmouth and convinced then to lead him to this giant snake.
I don't think Voldemort had made the ring a Horcrux at the time he asked Professor Slughorn about it. That memory seem like it's opening the door to knowledge Voldemort shouldn't otherwise have access to, thus leading to the guilt Professor Slughorn feels. Maybe I'm missing a hidden nugget of information that you have.
In the seventh book, its revealed there were in fact books about horcruxes Dumbledore removed from the library and stored in his office when he became headmaster. And didnt Tom tell Slughorn he read about horcruxes in books, but nowhere was written what would happen if one slight ones soul into more than two parts?
In one of your other videos you propose that the locket could have a little mirror of erised in it. And i always liked the idea that one side has the mirror, so you can see your desire(or Ambition in slytherin's case) and the other side has a foe glass, so you can see who stands in your way of achieving it.
1. Tommy tom probably learned about the chamber reading about his houses founder, which he was related to 2. Tom Riddle spent 5 years looking for the chamber 3. Voldemort is that dude
@@PhilBagels I'm no expert but Harry couldn't hear the Basilisk while it was in the chamber, only when it was in the pipes and the basilisk, as Oldy Voldy said would only come when it's called, so it wouldn't be able to wander the pipes as it would be locked in Slytherins mouth.
It is possible that the diary is still the first. You could make the argument That the Gaunt told Tom how to open the chamber of secrets before having his memory erased, in which case neither the ring or the diary are horcruxs when he asks slughorn about them and then he can start actually making them with Myrtle being the first one to kick it off. Because we know that the chamber was open in his fifth year, but he never said that the diary was created in his fifth year. He just said he had to preserve his 16-year-old self within its pages. Tom was told by Gaunt, he erased the memory of it, went there to start, discovered horcrux's, inquired about it, realizing with horcruxs he could reopen the chamber again at a later date, created the dairy and decided if he's already gonna start down that path. Why not turn his family ring into his second one?
I feel this theory HAS to be right! I think the key clue is when in CoS he tells Harry "You didn't think I would keep my filthy mudblood father's name, did you?". This indicates that the 16 year old Tom knew about the ring, it's history and the locket before he made the diary. He also already knew his father was not a wizard as he had thought and had already figured out that his mother was a witch. He also said in Chapter 17 that he had been looking for how to get into the Chamber for 5 years, so he seemingly had an affinity for Salazar even before he knew he was his heir. All of this must have been discovered earlier than the creation of the diary. It was also really likely that the ring was made a horcrux before the diary because he would have had to obtain the ring which required framing his uncle, and thus he made it a horcrux with the death of his father all in the one summer.
This makes a lot of sense and it's definitely possible. I think I'd prefer the diary be first, because then the horcruxes were destroyed in the same order they were created. But this is interesting too.
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 Do we know that for certain? Voldemort got both the locket and cup at the same time.I mean, there's no real hard timeline for the locket, cup, and diadem as far as I know.
Dumbledore could have also been referring to the Diary as the first horcrux because it was the first one _he_ (Dumbledore) found/became aware of. But not necessarily the first in the order of creation by Riddle.
The problem with "searching for the chamber many times" is that it requires being an heir. (Or in Harry's case, being given heir-like abilities.) The only ones who could open the chamber are most likely the ones who voluteered to search that part of the castle. While powerful wizards can detect the presense of where magic has been used, I'd assume that age and constant magical powers could have disguised the opening. Now that I heard about the bathroom remodel, that could make it more difficult. One would assume the plumbing would have been assembled using magic. Plus, the room is on the 3rd floor, not where I'd look for an underground chamber. It would make me leary of splasing thru all the water in the chamber, though.
Day 7 of asking can you do a video where the Potters survived? The scenario I'll make up is when Voldemort breaks in, Instead of killing James, he tortures and used the paralyzing spell on him and makes him pass out and plans to finish him off later when Harry is dead because as Dumbledore said, he likes waiting for his enemies to beg for death before killing them. Upstairs with Lily, the same thing basically happens except Lily misses the curse and falls on the ground. Harry still gets the love protection and Voldemort still loses his body because Lily was prepared to sacrifice herself for Harry. We saw this in Deathly Hallows when Harry's protection from sacrificing himself stopped Voldemort from torturing Neville when he stood up, Even though Harry didn't die.
Hey guys, just a clarification as Tom Riddle had left school and was working at Borging and Berks by the time he met Hepsibar Smith and took the locket and the cup, but that was after he opened the Chamber
That is a good theory, never thought about that possibility, great video guys. I always imagined that Tom asked the snakes around the castle to look for secrets in the castle and spy on other students/teachers for him, and eventually, a snake, while slithering through the plumbing system, found the chamber and told Tom about it. So Tom started talking with the basilisk and learned about the rest.
My question is what happened to the other student who were attacked when it was originally opened. I assume they didn’t die except Myrtle so were they petrified or was it just Tom jumping them in a dark hallway?
Hmm the Grey Lady states that a "young third year found what I once hid". So while I still think the Ring is the first, it also seems like the Diadem took place right around the exact same time period. Given his age within the book, it would seem that one came several years later.
I could imagine it may be just the basilisk speaking in parcel for all around once every few months, maybe when its out hunting, for the only one that can understand, how to access to the secret chamber
I was having nearly this exact thought while listening to the diary chapter on Through the Griffin Door, and even thought of him visiting the Gaunt shack being later, but not considering that it could have veen earlier
Dumbledore also says that riddle stopped wearing the ring after making it into a horcrux even though he was wearing it as a horcrux in slughorns memory assuming you have limited time between killing and horcrux making
I went back and watched this video explaining the theory one more time for clarity this is what I gleaned: Even if Dumbledore was referring to his 5th year at Hogwarts, he would have gotten the ring from Marvolo and then waited to kill his father. There’s no guarantee that he did it all in the same day. He’s too methodical and I highly doubt he acted so quickly. After visiting his Uncle, he would have learned about his father that very day. The idea of him immediately going down to kill his entire family without so much as a plan is completely unlike him. I think he took his new knowledge and went back to school, opened the chamber, and then after his first kill-went back to little Hangleton to kill his dad and frame his uncle. I agree that Myrtle’s death was a mistake and that he used her diary to make his first horcrux. Then he went to his father’s house that summer after killing Myrtle and used his father’s death for the ring he had collected the summer prior. It’s even confirmed that he wrote the ring for a while before he turned it into a horcrux. Think about the SCB theory about Voldy having the sword of Gryffindor in his possession when he arrived at the Potter’s house with the intent on making the final horcrux with Harry’s death. Voldy showed up in Little Hangleton, ring in hand, intent on killing his muggle lineage and making his second horcrux.. and he was successful. As for the ring, Voldy convinced his uncle he killed an entire family, I’m pretty sure he could have confunded Morfin or modified his memory around his possessions.
How would one go posing a question and submitting something to theorize? I've got a good one regarding Voldemort and the Elder Wand and how it should have worked for Voldy!
Crazy to think that Voldemort created his first Horcruxes in 1943 when Grindelwald was at the height of his power. What a time that would have been for the wizarding world - one dark wizard at the height of his power causing fear and terror, unknowingly about to be toppled while another was starting on his own journey!
I understand where you’re coming from but at the exact same time the TH-cam monetization has left so many channels struggling to make ends meet. They may not have a choice
@jaynehaubner I highly doubt SCB is struggling since they have other platforms. I think they can afford to skip this one sponsor. Plus they risk losing subscribers that pay their check by accepting certain sponsors
The year Voldemort kills the Riddles: 1943 1. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 1 (The Riddle House) The opening chapter, which takes place on 16 August 1994, states that the murders took place 'fifty years before, at daybreak on a fine summer's morning'. This means the event have to be between 16 August 1944 and 16 August 1943. 2. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 17 (A Sluggish Memory) it says the deaths happened - 'in the summer of his [Tom's] sixteenth year...' Tom was born 31 Dec 1926 so his sixteenth year would be 1942, or the summer of him being sixteen would be 1943. 3. Later in the film, the gravestones clearly said “August 1943”.
What if Tom Riddle, not having the locket or if morphin not knowing the chamber of secrets entrance, found out from figuring out the resurrection stone in the ring. He could ask Salazar Slitherin himself how to get there or any other Guant relatives that may know.
while i never managed to put the exact sequence of events together, it always felt wrong to me that the diary would be the first. particularly if you follow the assumption that the diary was made a horcrux from Murtles murder and the ring was from his fathers. - revenge for abandoning him mother to die and leaving him to grow up in an orphanage with the goal of making himself immortal - killing a random muggleborn with the goal of killing more muggleborns in future while ofc there are no good reasons for murdering someone, revenge always felt like a better reason for the first. then maybe he liked how it felt + he got away with it etc etc so did more
Before watching the video: my theorie is he dedicated a lot of time to really search and could do that because of a time turner (I think he had 11 subjects, which would have been sufficient) :) And now I am exited to hear what you have come up with!!
The Thing about the Chamber of Secret is, that Voldemort may have tainted the Story just through his usage. Before it opened it might have been one of the Campfire Stories of Hogwarts Students told each other. Tom Riddle followed the clues, actually found it and the thing was as ruined for the public as the Swastika is no longer a religious symbol of Hope and Love. Also I think it is canon that Tom searched for every possible Snake in Hogwarts to talk to, be it Painting, Sculpture or Drawing because like the Paintings and Ghosts in general, they have seen and heard things
According to the 800+ lore, the chamber has been opened a few times, and apparently, it was opened twice during Riddle's time at Hogwarts, however, during his 5th year research he discovered what was going on and discovered his new abilities the same way Harry did. Now....if this is cannon is scary, it just shows that the place was never safe and should have been closed long ago.
When Dumbledore says that Riddle left the orphanage in the summer of his 16th year, I thought that meant he left it for good. But during his fifth year when he's talking to Dippet, he is afraid he's going to have to go back to the orphanage. Not a huge issue for the theory because I could be misconstruing, but poses an inconsistency for me!
I always wondered why he would hide the diadem horcrux in the room of requirement, which apparently a lot of witches and wizards know about and use, when he could have hidden it in the chamber of secrets which only he and Slytherin and maybe one other person had ever been to. Seems a much better hiding place.
I remember i said in one of those Harry Potter Reddit groups and got blasted for it. I laid down the order of the horcuxes and weaved a narrative into how Tom would have gone about executing his plan.
No, I'm sorry. This is stretching the facts to breaking point. Ilove the head canon that the locket gives the entrance location as well. But instead of trying to force this timeline onto the locket idea, consider instead: just as countless Slytherin descendents (not all of whom would have had the locket) had done for years, Tom Riddle heard the Basilisk moving through the pipes, talking about ripping and killing. He is one of the smartest students at Hogwarts, so I guess he figures out the pipes and Basilisk information even faster than Hermione. Once you know pipes are involved, it's a matter of going from one plumbing fixture to another to look for a way into the pipes. Just as Harry did, I'm sure Tom realized the thing that he had in common with Slytherin was likely the key to both opening the Chamber and controlling the Basilisk. It isn't very likely that JK Rowing and many editors awkwardly gave Tom's age in a way that would confuse readers. What is more likely is that Tom was 16. He entered his sixth year at Hogwarts after that. Recall that the diary had a date on it, so he had it 50 years before Harry found it. We know the diary is purchased and the Chamber opened the same year, in Tom's fifth year. We know Tom has his uncle's ring when he speaks to Slughorn. That happens his sixth year. It is another parallel between Harry and Tom, since Harry is learning all of this at the same age. In fact, we have more reason to believe the horcrux conversation happens closer to when Tom leaves Hogwarts because there is a rumor (or Tom used legilimancy to find out) the DADA professor Merrythought is retiring soon, and this is the job Tom asks Headmaster Dippet for a year later.
I like to think Tom Riddle aka future Lord Voldemort heard the Basilisk talking to him asking to open the Chamber Of Secrets also telling him where it was and since Tom Riddle is the last heir of Slytherin so he can speak Parseltongue
This may be a rabbit hole discussion, but this reminded me of something I thought about earlier. Suppose that someone is actually immortal. They won’t be able to die at all. But if someone else who may live just as long without being immortal, they will die at death’s hand (which happens to even the oldest among the human race). Because of this, the only way for anyone to be able to prove that they are truly immortal is to have been living for an infinite number of years. Otherwise, death can easily take them over and ruin their chance at immortality. In other words, it is largely impossible for even the immortal being to know whether or not immortal, as death can easily disprove their status at any point.
The ring held the resurrection stone. If Tom knew how to use it, he could have asked Salizar Slitheron himself how to find and open the chamber of Secrets.
Y’all are usually entertaining. I found this very entertaining, but I knew this. I always took it that Voldemort had to have learned about the chamber from the Gaunts. I also miss remembered the line from Dumbledor as the diary was the first one they found not the first horcrux.
Wait, didn't Tom Riddle get the locket and Hufflepuff's cup when he met Hepzibah Smith when he was working at Borgin and Burke's after he graduated from Hogwarts? I think it was covered by Dumbledore in the sixth book when he was showing Harry the memories.
i knew the ring was the first horcux LONG ago. That it was when he killed his father's family, framed his uncle morphin that he had the information that he was descended from the slytherin line. so then he went about locating the chamber of secrets and made the second horcrux with mrytle's death.
Here is a good one. How did slughorn not suspect Tom after the death of Myrtle? Tom asking slughorn about horcruxes and pretty much saying he wants to kill atleast 7 people. And then there are attacks at the school with 1 person dying. I understand these were different school years between this question. But still I feel he might have suspected something.
Hehe, set it up as "What if the Weasleys didn't drive back home to pick up Ginny's diary?" :P That way it's still in her possession, but she'd start spending her time with it over the summer, rather than during the school year. That, or she'd go back home during the first possible break and grab it, kicking things off just a little bit later than normal. But as what-ifs go, "over the summer" is a far more interesting change-up. Especially if Harry spends any time at the Burrows that year.
Regarding the mystery chamber of secrets, firstly it was hidden in the basement under the toilet room. And secondly, it was made by Slytherin Founder Salzhar. And only those who spoke wormtongue could open it. Moaing-Myrtle died because she had direct contact with the eyes of The Basilisk. Voldemort was a Gaunt, so he could speak the Pasel tongue fluently. That's why he found it. And put someone in a trance and opened it for him. 50 years ago, the name Voldemort did not exist, there was no student with that name. But Tom Jr. Riddle (Marvolo) was a student at the time. Who later changed his name to Voldemort.
Currently on Forbidden Forest chap of PoS on your podcast. ❤️ All your content and theories. A few chapters ago you mentioned broomsticks having cores and discussing wand woods. I think you may have overlooked one important detail. Wands are made from trees of "wand quality wood" usually occupied by Bowtruckles. Seems likely that racing brooms along with other magical objects such as vanishing cabinets are made from these same trees possesing magical properties. Much like Gellert Grindelwald says that magic occurs in rare souls, certian trees of same speicies in a forest have innate magic. Perhaps the great oak doors in the Hogwarts entrance hall or Durmstrang pirate ship were built using the same quality wood to make magic wands? Be cool to see a video of potential everyday items from furniture or rolltop desks to other household things that are harvested from these specific trees and how it makes them inherently magical without need of specific charms added.
I just hope that JK is pouring herself a cup of tea, wraps a blanket around herself, sits down, watches this video and goes: "okay they got this one down too" and slams the laptop down
Video idea/question: how do muggle-borns get their school supplies? Where do they get wizard money? Follow up: for muggle-borns who go on to live in the Wizarding world, where/how do they get money? They've only gone to school, they have no wizard jobs, so no wizard money paychecks. How do they start building an account at gringotts?
Love to see a video on these subjects, even though we pretty much know how they are resolved. First one is shown with Riddle at the orphanage, and with Harry in book 1, a representative from the school brings them to get their supplies, and in Riddle's case, there's a fund setup to aid muggleborns. For part 2, we again have Riddle to thank, as he went from school, to working at Borgin and Burkes. I imagine that would have happened when Umbridge sat in on Harry's consultation for what he wanted to do after school, they just never covered it as Harry was already established in the Wizarding world, though that one is strictly just an assumption.
You exchange muggle money for wizard money at Gringotts. We hear about Hermione's parents doing it in one of the books when they're all at Diagon Alley.
As for a bank account, they can start that by exchanging muggle money for wizard gold. And when they graduate they can get a job like any other wizard. Blood status doesn't matter.
@LadyBeyondTheWall so they just gotta live at home with muggle parents until they can afford an apartment/house in wizarding world? Mainly, just curious about the awkward stage of muggle borns trying to adjust and get their foot in the door of living in the Wizarding world. If you think a small town farm kid moving to place like NYC or LA is a culture shock, muggles going to WW has got to been 10x more intense
@@iowa89357 , wizards live in the same world as muggles. In fact, wizards probably have to convert their money into muggle money to buy a house. So, yeah, muggle-born students would live with their parents until they can afford their own home, which would be the exact same way that pure blood or half blood students would live. Their blood status doesn't seem like it would affect that basic part of life.
I'm still in the intro, but I'm gonna take a guess that it has something to do with either Slytherin's locket or the basilisk whispering and luring the heirs in considering more than one Gaunt knew about it and opened it
I always start out so skeptical but by the end of the video I'm 100% convinced that you guys are right 😂 As an author myself, however, I always wonder if the authors ever see your videos and think, "Thanks for fixing my pothole!" Lol
I was pretty sure it was "pretty obvious" that ring was first and Voldy asked about more than one. In movies he was playing with ring during memory and in books Dumbledore even corrected Harry that he was asking about "more than one" because nobody made more than one and not about "how about seven". Im a bit shocked that anyone would belive he made two at that time, especially you guys "“You think he succeeded then, sir?” asked Harry. “He made a Horcrux? And that’s why he didn’t die when he attacked me? He had a Horcrux hidden somewhere? A bit of his soul was safe?” “A bit… or more,” said Dumbledore. “You heard Voldemort, what he particularly wanted from Horace was an opinion on what would happen to the wizard who created more than one Horcrux, what would happen to the wizard so determined to evade death that he would be prepared to murder many times, rip his soul repeatedly, so as to store it in many, separately concealed Horcrux. No book would have given him that information. As far as I know - as far, I am sure, as Voldemort knew - no wizard had ever done more than tear his soul in two.” "
Still like to believe that the creation of the diary precedes the creation of the ring for the simple fact that this way the order of the creation and the order of the destfuction of the horcruxes match up (diary, ring, locket, cup, diadem, harry nagini)
Slughorn uses that as a prize for his 6th year students & Tom was a 5th year when he opened the chamber altho it's been theorized that Tom DID use the Felix felicis to sweet talk the grey lady into telling him about the diadem
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I don't care if Jay grows face fur or not I just want to know why it took the super Carlin Brothers way this long to find out that the diary wasn't the first horcrux?!?? I have literally been sure of this for years the books even spoon feed it to us so why are the super Carlin Brothers lost in the DARK??!!?????
I have been following bens footstep and not socials but I want to see J as a French supervillian
Why are both the creevy brothers wizards? Aren't they muggle born, or is it like Dean Thomas where he thought he was muggle born, because his dad was a milk man and I don't think we know who their mother is
Is that a yggdrasil tattoo on your arm? Hah, nice. When did that happen?
What if the orphanage located the Riddle family and told them Merope died and the baby was there. What do you think would have happened if "Daddy" went and brought the infant home and raised him.
Bro just walked past the room of requirement thinking “yo where’s the chamber of secrets at” and it opened to a map of hogwarts with a comically large red arrow.
Tunnel
I highly doubt the room of requirement could do that as 1 only Slytherin & his direct descendants knew where the chamber was & 2 your request of the room has to be something the room can actually provide (Harry in hbp for example couldn't find out what draco was doing in the room as he didn't know specifically what draco was using the room for) the ONLY reason it sprouted the tunnel to the hogs head was because Neville specifically requested food & no magic can produce food from nothing & the ONLY reason it changed where it's exit was located while being used by the remnants of Dumbledores Army was because Neville specifically requested the room make it impossible for any supporters of the carrows to find it on the other hand draco DID know exactly how the DA was using the room so he could make a specific request that the room could actually provide (I need you to become the headquarters of the DA)
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 Pretty sure Hogwarts itself knows where the chamber is. Though it's possible Hogwarts can't access it.
I need this to be canon😂😂😂
This podcast has been gold dust for you guys. It's so funny listening to an episode then seeing a video about something that was discussed
Kinda like you're in on the conversation, part of the think tank❤!!!
Real question is why didn’t Myrtle tell anyone else in 50 years where to look
It's possible she wasn't at Hogwarts all the time. She originally came back to haunt her classmate, but then Ministry had to stop her because she was annoying, so she returned to Hogwarts.
she’s just a sigma
Because they didn’t care much about her, remember?
1. She was being bullied.
2. It took HOURS for a teacher to send someone to look for her and the one chosen was her bully.
3. Dippet speaks as though he doesn’t know much about her, he at least didn’t use her name and he didn’t seem to consider asking Myrtle . (Which is why Harry didn’t realize that she was the girl who died until after speaking to Aragog.)
4. Harry notes that Myrtle reacted as though she hadn’t been so flattered when he questioned her.
5. Myrtle was often upset in general as a ghost.
6. Myrtle wanted revenge on her bullies.
It’s not uncommon for bullied/neglected children to grow apathetic to those around them. She probably decided that if they weren’t interested in her, why should she be interested in them. So she kept quiet until someone aka Harry, finally decided to ask her about her own death.
She says no one asked her how she died?
Myrtle apparently haunted her old school bully then was ordered by the ministry to haunt the bathroom at hogwarts where she died so that she doesn’t disturb the public.
Who's to say that she even realized that her death was caused by the opening of the chamber of secrets and the release of the Basilisk in the school.
Great video, it all fits so well. I always interpreted Tom asking Slughorn about Horcruxes as him already having made one horcrux and wanting to ask someone before he attempted another. I also thought that the diary was the first horcrux. but the diary being second and Myrtle dying shortly after his conversation with Slughorn makes Slughorn hiding the memory make way more sense imo.
The diary WAS 1st he killed myrtle at the end of his 5th year shortly before summer holidays then left the orphanage over the summer break & traveled to the gaunt shack expecting to meet his grandfather but instead meets his uncle who tells him where his dad & grandparents live then he stuns his uncle steals his wand kills his dad & grandparents makes the ring he took off his uncle's hand his 2nd horcrux then frames his uncle & returns to the orphanage don't forget that because his birthdays so late in the year he's almost a year older than most students in his year so he was almost 17 when he finished his 5th year
The conversation with Slughorn happens in Tom’s seventh year which blows this theory out of the water. That’s the thing with their theories, sometimes they miss pretty big things about the series because like everyone they forget details.
@@s6r231 yah like Ben claiming that voldy approached slughorn to find out what would happen if a wizard made more than one horcrux before making more than one & NOT because he wanted slughorns opinion on what would happen if a wizard split their soul into 7 pieces when Harry says flat out in dh that voldy DID only want slughorns opinion on what would happen if a wizard split their soul into 7 pieces & it's well established that Tom had already made 2 at that point the diary & the ring also Tom was in his 6th year NOT 7th when that memory takes place
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 hmmm Merrythought is retiring in that scene. Tom then goes to Dippet to see if he can be appointed to it. That doesn’t work if it’s his sixth year during that scene.
@@s6r231but Slughorn mentions that Tom is a prefect. (Paraphrasing: “Don’t want to get caught out of bed as a prefect”)
If that conversation happened when he was in 7th year he’d be Head Boy
Your logic is a little off. This is exactly the order I’ve already read it, that Tom went to the Gaunt shack/ killed his Father’s family before he opened the Chamber of Secrets. I’ve always subscribed to the theory that the ring passes on the knowledge of how to open the chamber.
However, we don’t get any confirmation in the books about when Tom turned the ring into a horcrux. This could still have been after he made the diary horcrux. In fact Wizarding World just says that “after a time of wearing the ring himself, Voldemort eventually turned the ring into a horcrux, and buried it deep within the ruins of his old family home, protecting it with enchantments”. This suggests Tom stopped wearing the ring after it became a horcrux. So if he was wearing the ring when he asked Slughorn about horcruxes, it probably wasn’t yet a horcrux.
Yeah I agree. He wanted to protect the horcruxes so I doubt he walked around wearing them. Otherwise he could’ve just worn the locket diadem all the time too lol
Exactly my thoughts.
Except the ring and resurrection stone are Peverell family heirlooms, not Slytherin as the locket belonged to Slytherin himself. Yes these two families (descendants of Cadmus Peverell) merged at some point post c. 1250AD as 3rd brother Ignotus (Harry's ancestor) died in 1292 once he'd attained great age. As Slytherin secretly built the Chamber, his locket is the likely artifact to contain the secret of its location.
@@MoonstoneWillow841 The main problem with that is we don't know if the locket held memories or written instructions. By the time the Gaunts could've got the stone English had changed, and the locket could've been useless. If they thought the stone merely let them talk to dead relatives well that's great because they all speak parseltongue and could talk to Slytherin himself with no problem. These items and places have been around 1000 years it's more likely things have been known, forgotten, and relearned when even the invisibility cloak that was passed in a line was forgotten to be extraordinary.
In the books, i doubt Tom Riddle wearing the ring while talking to slughorn is a thing? I don't remember, at least. I think it may have been a movie only addition.
He just found a way to Slytherin, of course😂
“Badum-Tss”🥁
He just wanted some privacy from Dumbledore's "Annoyingly close eye" on him😂😂😂😂😂
Well Dumbledore didn't start doing that until after he'd found it
@@SuperCarlinBrothersstill can't blame a man for wanting privacy😉😉😉
@@SuperCarlinBrothersI’m sure as perceptive as Dumbledore was, he had already had figured out something was going on w/ Tom as killing leaves a mark, and he killed to get the locket. Or maybe Tom was just being paranoid from his guilt and wanted privacy 😂
To be fair if a old man was watching me as a teenager...I'd be weirded out to
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I assumed the basilisk told him. Dude could talk to snakes, and the basilisk knew where the door to Slytherin's chamber would be.
yeah, but it couldn't have talked to anyone if the chamber wasn't open. harry doesn't know 'till his second year.
@@SlyviaElanor Harry is kinda dense, he probably heard the snake and didn’t know
he was dense yes but he wasn't that dense that he didnt know what was happening around him. He did become an auror at the end without finishing school. Also he didn't even know he could speak parceltongue until his second year and that is also when he started hearing the voice in the walls. @Grunttamer
@@SlyviaElanor Big difference is that Slytherin is in the dungeon, so closer to the chamber than Harry was until it was opened.
@@thestoryfactory8429 makes sense
One problem with this explanation though; we know Voldy only found the locker _after_ graduating from Hogwarts when he worked for B&B, so even if the locket does tell one how to reach the chamber, he had to have found out some other way to have opened it as a prefect.
The chamber of secrets was opened in 1943 (presumably in June), the summer of his sixteenth year which you are referring to is the summer of 1943. He killed myrtle, and supposedly made the horcrux, before he found the ring. My theory is that when he talked to slughorn (in his sixth year so probably 1944) he had the ring but did not yet make it a horcrux since he wanted to hear from slughorn if it was possible to make more than one.
Ps. It is also beautiful that the horcruxes are destroyed in the same order they were created: diary, ring, locket, cup, diadem, Harry, Nagini, then voldemorts body (which was actually created last at the end of goblet!)
Wizarding world basically debunks the SCB theory. It says that “after a time of wearing the ring himself, Voldemort eventually turned the ring into a horcrux, and buried it deep within the ruins of his old family home, protecting it with enchantments”. So if Tom was wearing the ring when he asked Slughorn about horcruxes, it probably wasn’t yet a horcrux.
So believe you are correct here. He had the ring before he opened the chamber, but it wasn’t necessarily a horcrux when he was talking to Slughorn.
@@jamessmithson-br7rmit's well known that voldy used the murder of his father to turn the ring into a horcrux so it WAS a horcrux when he was wearing it & when he decided to stop wearing it he hid it in his family's shack put the curse on it & concealed it with other enchantments but you're correct that he made the diary 1st right before the summer break then the ring 2nd a few months later over the summer then returned to Hogwarts also voldy went to slughorn to ask his opinion on splitting ones soul into 7 pieces so 6 horcruxes plus his body
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 well known? Remind me where we find out that it was made with Riddle Sr's murder again?
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This wasn’t before Tom riddle’s fifth year as Dumbledore says - at the age you are now Harry, give or take a few months Tom Riddle was doing all he could to make himself immortal. This means that he already had opened the chamber before killing Morfin and getting the ring. And anyway he visited Morfin to find about his heritage but he liked the ring so he got his revenge and stole the ring all at once. He didn’t visit the Gaunt to find the chamber or secrets
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Another awesome SCB video! Would you ever consider doing a "Voldemort's Big Plan" video, akin to Dumbledore's Big Pan? Where we talk through what Voldemort wanted to have happen, maybe how-it-could-have-ended kind of thing? And we can see just how far into that plan he got before being thwarted? You guys rock!
I always assumed in Slughorn's memory Tom is in his 6th year, which means Myrtle has already died. I always thought the way the sequence in Harry's 6th year plays out, it suggests that Tom didn't create his first Horcrux until he got the information he wanted out of Slughorn
In my fanfic he knows all about horcrux creation and creates the first one right after myrtles death. What he asks Slughorn about is if its possible to make SEVERAL horcruxes since that information isnt written in the Secrets of the darkest arts book
I think by the time he's asking Slughorn he's already made 2, the ring and the diary. He was asking Slughorn about making 7 not making more than one leading me to think he'd already made the 2 and was thinking about more. And it was only after he'd made more than 2 that he started hiding them rather than keeping it on him to protect
I think he knows there is signs but doesn't want to go further without knowing how much he will sacrifice to make these things. By the time he goes back to Hogwarts to open chamber and get the Defense the Dark Arts post. He had already had physical changes to him. Also he knew his father's name in chamber of secrets because he already had talked to his relatives. So the book and the ring could have made .. he was trying to find the four items of the founders to use. Plus 3 more.
@@madalynnr9940 I doubt it. In The Chamber of Secrets Tom is alot older in the memory than in The Half Blood Prince memory. Since TCOS is right when Myrtle dies, it was after the Ring Horcrux. This is movie only, mind you. Verifying it in the books will be a little more difficult.
@@IdleLancer Chamber of Secrets Tom was a fifth year Slughorn's memory Tom was either fifth or sixth year it's just the different actor castings that give the impression of an age gap when they are basically the same age in both memories
VIdeo idea: What if at the end of the third book, Sirius or Lupin literally just stunned/petrified Peter before leaving the shrieking shack, preventing him from ever escaping? Never understood why they DIDN'T do that, especially since Hermione had no problem freezing Neville at the end of the first book...
They didnt want to carry Snape, Ron AND Pettigrew.
All they needed was to summon an unbreakable see through cage that was size adaptive.. Then even if he turned back into a rat he would still be trapped and couldn't escape...
One big flaw in your story is that Tom was wearing the ring after the chamber had been opened (we know this because Tom mentions the DADA teacher retiring, the position which he then asked Prof Dippett if he could have which strongly suggests this scene was set in his seventh year). Once he made an object a horcrux he no longer kept it around much less went about wearing it while talking about horcruxes.
Next the instructions are in Hufflepuff’s cup? If true that can’t be where he gets the information from since he doesn’t come into possession of it until after he leaves school when he has his first job collecting artefacts for Mr Burke.
@@firelordkushroll same response though. Tom gets the locket and the cup from Hepzibah Smith after he finishes school.
Firstly I'm going to disagree that it wasn't yet a horcrux, the implication in the film when he fondles it while discussing making more than 1 implies it is. Agreed having them hidden makes more sense especially if you have more than 1, bit that's not what's implied.
But even if you're correct it doesn't really damage the theory that he found the chamber via the gaunts.
It outright says he visited them, took the ring, and killed morphin in the summer between his 4 and 5th years, and the chamber was opened in his fifth, which is when he was writing the diary. The diary must have come after the ring, and the pottermore quote about the gaunts being boastful of their knowledge also implies that's how riddle found the chamber.
@@Stephen10188 I mean if you're using the film as justification then you've already lost the argument. They did that because when they filmed it, they knew it was going to be a horcrux.
gotta add to the poinbt made around 10:30 ish. You DO NOT have to be a blood relative to get in the chamber. Ron goes in to get the Fang in the 7th book and says he remembers words from harry talking in his sleep so that protection you speak of Slytherin having isnt all its cracked up to be
Yeah but they had to hear someone who is a blood relative
Would love if you guys could work out a theory connecting Grindelwald to World War II in some way. Always thought it was way too much of a coincidence that Grindelwald and the Axis powers were both beaten for good in 1945.
Seamus Gorman made a video on this exact topic years ago
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This is kind of mind blowing, because I too had always assumed the diary came first. But you are absolutely right!
I always assumed he heard the basilisk just like Harry did. And being as smart as he was,, voldermort eventually found the chamber.
I'm with you. The basilisk probably felt his presence and started calling to him....
One correction here. Parseltongue is rare but not limited to Slytherin's line. His line had it genetically but it was known that others could be Parseltongues. Much like how rare Metamorpmagus's were but it tended to run in a family.
Know what doesn't make sense? Hermione leaving a book behind
Letting Slughorn live after the horcrux conversation was a bit of an oversight now that we look back at it….
Tom was very good at reading people, he likely saw that Slughorn would be too ashamed to tell anyone, which was of course correct since it was extremely hard for Dumbledore to get the memory from him, in fact it was completely impossible, it was only until Harry used the Felix Felicis potion that he finally revealed the memory. On top of that, murdering Slughorn would be extremely suspicious and could lead people on the track of the horcruxes, at that time Tom was convinced no one knew about the horcruxes, and HIM making horcruxes, that would likely have changed if he murdered the only man knowing horcruxes. In short, it simply wasnt worth the risk.
I don't know what your relationship with Rolling (sp?) is like, but I would be honored to have so much loving attention paid to my work. You are respectful even while coming up with off-the-wall theories that, inevitably, sound completely right.
I was imagining that he heard the basilisk and persuaded it to guide him to the entrance
I always imagined snakes in the forbidden forest were gossiping about the Basilisk. That's how Riddle discovered he was a Parsilmouth and convinced then to lead him to this giant snake.
@@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiiihe could talk to snakes before meeting dumbledore
@@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiiiHagrid said Follow the Spiders
@@Anonymous_Whisper We're talking Tom Riddle, not Harry
This why we need a Voldemort prequel series.
Awesome idea. There are still way too many people thinking "Voldy" wasnt that capable and dangerous (mostly people who only saw the movies I assume).
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I don't think Voldemort had made the ring a Horcrux at the time he asked Professor Slughorn about it. That memory seem like it's opening the door to knowledge Voldemort shouldn't otherwise have access to, thus leading to the guilt Professor Slughorn feels.
Maybe I'm missing a hidden nugget of information that you have.
In the seventh book, its revealed there were in fact books about horcruxes Dumbledore removed from the library and stored in his office when he became headmaster. And didnt Tom tell Slughorn he read about horcruxes in books, but nowhere was written what would happen if one slight ones soul into more than two parts?
In one of your other videos you propose that the locket could have a little mirror of erised in it. And i always liked the idea that one side has the mirror, so you can see your desire(or Ambition in slytherin's case) and the other side has a foe glass, so you can see who stands in your way of achieving it.
Love the parrot/macaw/toucan shirt there Ben. Getting us all ready for travel season and summer!
In the movie, when Tom asks Slughorn about horcruxes, he is playing with the ring which suggests he already made a horcrux when asking that question
Or he is playing with the ring because he is itching to use it for a horcrux and wants to get the green light from slughorn.
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1. Tommy tom probably learned about the chamber reading about his houses founder, which he was related to 2. Tom Riddle spent 5 years looking for the chamber 3. Voldemort is that dude
And he could hear the basilisk, just like Harry could. Maybe the basilisk was trying to lead him to the entrance so it could get out.
@@PhilBagels I'm no expert but Harry couldn't hear the Basilisk while it was in the chamber, only when it was in the pipes and the basilisk, as Oldy Voldy said would only come when it's called, so it wouldn't be able to wander the pipes as it would be locked in Slytherins mouth.
@@12_04jh Fair point.
As always, I enjoy your breakdowns. I would enjoy watching some of the discussions you and your brother have when figuring this stuff out.
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Silly me... here I thought the Basilisk started speaking to Tom through the walls and revealed all the information to him.
So much cooler than my guess of the Basilisk telling Tom where it is 😂
It is possible that the diary is still the first. You could make the argument That the Gaunt told Tom how to open the chamber of secrets before having his memory erased, in which case neither the ring or the diary are horcruxs when he asks slughorn about them and then he can start actually making them with Myrtle being the first one to kick it off. Because we know that the chamber was open in his fifth year, but he never said that the diary was created in his fifth year. He just said he had to preserve his 16-year-old self within its pages.
Tom was told by Gaunt,
he erased the memory of it,
went there to start,
discovered horcrux's,
inquired about it,
realizing with horcruxs he could reopen the chamber again at a later date,
created the dairy and decided if he's already gonna start down that path.
Why not turn his family ring into his second one?
I feel this theory HAS to be right!
I think the key clue is when in CoS he tells Harry "You didn't think I would keep my filthy mudblood father's name, did you?". This indicates that the 16 year old Tom knew about the ring, it's history and the locket before he made the diary. He also already knew his father was not a wizard as he had thought and had already figured out that his mother was a witch. He also said in Chapter 17 that he had been looking for how to get into the Chamber for 5 years, so he seemingly had an affinity for Salazar even before he knew he was his heir. All of this must have been discovered earlier than the creation of the diary. It was also really likely that the ring was made a horcrux before the diary because he would have had to obtain the ring which required framing his uncle, and thus he made it a horcrux with the death of his father all in the one summer.
Thank you so much for this! I had been wondering about the plumbing for YEARS!
This makes a lot of sense and it's definitely possible. I think I'd prefer the diary be first, because then the horcruxes were destroyed in the same order they were created. But this is interesting too.
The diary WAS 1st but they WEREN'T destroyed in order of creation the cup was made before the locket
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 Do we know that for certain? Voldemort got both the locket and cup at the same time.I mean, there's no real hard timeline for the locket, cup, and diadem as far as I know.
Dumbledore could have also been referring to the Diary as the first horcrux because it was the first one _he_ (Dumbledore) found/became aware of. But not necessarily the first in the order of creation by Riddle.
or realising that he had the first destroyed horcrux in his hand..
You gave a idea - Tom could use the stone within the ring and "revive" his mother to ask her where is the locket :)
The problem with "searching for the chamber many times" is that it requires being an heir. (Or in Harry's case, being given heir-like abilities.) The only ones who could open the chamber are most likely the ones who voluteered to search that part of the castle. While powerful wizards can detect the presense of where magic has been used, I'd assume that age and constant magical powers could have disguised the opening. Now that I heard about the bathroom remodel, that could make it more difficult. One would assume the plumbing would have been assembled using magic. Plus, the room is on the 3rd floor, not where I'd look for an underground chamber. It would make me leary of splasing thru all the water in the chamber, though.
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Day 7 of asking can you do a video where the Potters survived? The scenario I'll make up is when Voldemort breaks in, Instead of killing James, he tortures and used the paralyzing spell on him and makes him pass out and plans to finish him off later when Harry is dead because as Dumbledore said, he likes waiting for his enemies to beg for death before killing them. Upstairs with Lily, the same thing basically happens except Lily misses the curse and falls on the ground. Harry still gets the love protection and Voldemort still loses his body because Lily was prepared to sacrifice herself for Harry. We saw this in Deathly Hallows when Harry's protection from sacrificing himself stopped Voldemort from torturing Neville when he stood up, Even though Harry didn't die.
Hey guys, just a clarification as Tom Riddle had left school and was working at Borging and Berks by the time he met Hepsibar Smith and took the locket and the cup, but that was after he opened the Chamber
That is a good theory, never thought about that possibility, great video guys.
I always imagined that Tom asked the snakes around the castle to look for secrets in the castle and spy on other students/teachers for him, and eventually, a snake, while slithering through the plumbing system, found the chamber and told Tom about it.
So Tom started talking with the basilisk and learned about the rest.
It’s amazing that the ghosts didn’t tell the headmaster, years ago.
My question is what happened to the other student who were attacked when it was originally opened. I assume they didn’t die except Myrtle so were they petrified or was it just Tom jumping them in a dark hallway?
Hmm the Grey Lady states that a "young third year found what I once hid". So while I still think the Ring is the first, it also seems like the Diadem took place right around the exact same time period. Given his age within the book, it would seem that one came several years later.
I could imagine it may be just the basilisk speaking in parcel for all around once every few months, maybe when its out hunting, for the only one that can understand, how to access to the secret chamber
I was having nearly this exact thought while listening to the diary chapter on Through the Griffin Door, and even thought of him visiting the Gaunt shack being later, but not considering that it could have veen earlier
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Dumbledore also says that riddle stopped wearing the ring after making it into a horcrux even though he was wearing it as a horcrux in slughorns memory assuming you have limited time between killing and horcrux making
I went back and watched this video explaining the theory one more time for clarity this is what I gleaned:
Even if Dumbledore was referring to his 5th year at Hogwarts, he would have gotten the ring from Marvolo and then waited to kill his father. There’s no guarantee that he did it all in the same day. He’s too methodical and I highly doubt he acted so quickly. After visiting his Uncle, he would have learned about his father that very day. The idea of him immediately going down to kill his entire family without so much as a plan is completely unlike him. I think he took his new knowledge and went back to school, opened the chamber, and then after his first kill-went back to little Hangleton to kill his dad and frame his uncle.
I agree that Myrtle’s death was a mistake and that he used her diary to make his first horcrux. Then he went to his father’s house that summer after killing Myrtle and used his father’s death for the ring he had collected the summer prior. It’s even confirmed that he wrote the ring for a while before he turned it into a horcrux.
Think about the SCB theory about Voldy having the sword of Gryffindor in his possession when he arrived at the Potter’s house with the intent on making the final horcrux with Harry’s death.
Voldy showed up in Little Hangleton, ring in hand, intent on killing his muggle lineage and making his second horcrux.. and he was successful.
As for the ring, Voldy convinced his uncle he killed an entire family, I’m pretty sure he could have confunded Morfin or modified his memory around his possessions.
The snakes told him, didn't watch the video. The basilisk was probably calling out for a long time before hand and Tom just followed the whispers
How would one go posing a question and submitting something to theorize? I've got a good one regarding Voldemort and the Elder Wand and how it should have worked for Voldy!
Crazy to think that Voldemort created his first Horcruxes in 1943 when Grindelwald was at the height of his power. What a time that would have been for the wizarding world - one dark wizard at the height of his power causing fear and terror, unknowingly about to be toppled while another was starting on his own journey!
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The year Voldemort kills the Riddles: 1943
1. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 1 (The Riddle House) The opening chapter, which takes place on 16 August 1994, states that the murders took place 'fifty years before, at daybreak on a fine summer's morning'. This means the event have to be between 16 August 1944 and 16 August 1943.
2. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 17 (A Sluggish Memory) it says the deaths happened - 'in the summer of his [Tom's] sixteenth year...' Tom was born 31 Dec 1926 so his sixteenth year would be 1942, or the summer of him being sixteen would be 1943.
3. Later in the film, the gravestones clearly said “August 1943”.
What if Tom Riddle, not having the locket or if morphin not knowing the chamber of secrets entrance, found out from figuring out the resurrection stone in the ring. He could ask Salazar Slitherin himself how to get there or any other Guant relatives that may know.
yall should do a theory about the Marauders!! They have lots of unknowns and are super interesting :)
while i never managed to put the exact sequence of events together, it always felt wrong to me that the diary would be the first.
particularly if you follow the assumption that the diary was made a horcrux from Murtles murder and the ring was from his fathers.
- revenge for abandoning him mother to die and leaving him to grow up in an orphanage with the goal of making himself immortal
- killing a random muggleborn with the goal of killing more muggleborns in future
while ofc there are no good reasons for murdering someone, revenge always felt like a better reason for the first. then maybe he liked how it felt + he got away with it etc etc so did more
"The 16th year" is similar to how centuries work. 21st century is 2000-2099AD
Before watching the video: my theorie is he dedicated a lot of time to really search and could do that because of a time turner (I think he had 11 subjects, which would have been sufficient) :) And now I am exited to hear what you have come up with!!
The Thing about the Chamber of Secret is, that Voldemort may have tainted the Story just through his usage.
Before it opened it might have been one of the Campfire Stories of Hogwarts Students told each other.
Tom Riddle followed the clues, actually found it and the thing was as ruined for the public as the Swastika is no longer a religious symbol of Hope and Love.
Also I think it is canon that Tom searched for every possible Snake in Hogwarts to talk to, be it Painting, Sculpture or Drawing because like the Paintings and Ghosts in general, they have seen and heard things
What’s interesting is what made him enter a girls bathroom in the first place? What were the circumstances.
According to the 800+ lore, the chamber has been opened a few times, and apparently, it was opened twice during Riddle's time at Hogwarts, however, during his 5th year research he discovered what was going on and discovered his new abilities the same way Harry did. Now....if this is cannon is scary, it just shows that the place was never safe and should have been closed long ago.
When Dumbledore says that Riddle left the orphanage in the summer of his 16th year, I thought that meant he left it for good. But during his fifth year when he's talking to Dippet, he is afraid he's going to have to go back to the orphanage. Not a huge issue for the theory because I could be misconstruing, but poses an inconsistency for me!
I always wondered why he would hide the diadem horcrux in the room of requirement, which apparently a lot of witches and wizards know about and use, when he could have hidden it in the chamber of secrets which only he and Slytherin and maybe one other person had ever been to. Seems a much better hiding place.
I remember i said in one of those Harry Potter Reddit groups and got blasted for it. I laid down the order of the horcuxes and weaved a narrative into how Tom would have gone about executing his plan.
No, I'm sorry. This is stretching the facts to breaking point. Ilove the head canon that the locket gives the entrance location as well. But instead of trying to force this timeline onto the locket idea, consider instead: just as countless Slytherin descendents (not all of whom would have had the locket) had done for years, Tom Riddle heard the Basilisk moving through the pipes, talking about ripping and killing. He is one of the smartest students at Hogwarts, so I guess he figures out the pipes and Basilisk information even faster than Hermione. Once you know pipes are involved, it's a matter of going from one plumbing fixture to another to look for a way into the pipes. Just as Harry did, I'm sure Tom realized the thing that he had in common with Slytherin was likely the key to both opening the Chamber and controlling the Basilisk.
It isn't very likely that JK Rowing and many editors awkwardly gave Tom's age in a way that would confuse readers. What is more likely is that Tom was 16. He entered his sixth year at Hogwarts after that.
Recall that the diary had a date on it, so he had it 50 years before Harry found it. We know the diary is purchased and the Chamber opened the same year, in Tom's fifth year.
We know Tom has his uncle's ring when he speaks to Slughorn. That happens his sixth year. It is another parallel between Harry and Tom, since Harry is learning all of this at the same age. In fact, we have more reason to believe the horcrux conversation happens closer to when Tom leaves Hogwarts because there is a rumor (or Tom used legilimancy to find out) the DADA professor Merrythought is retiring soon, and this is the job Tom asks Headmaster Dippet for a year later.
I like to think Tom Riddle aka future Lord Voldemort heard the Basilisk talking to him asking to open the Chamber Of Secrets also telling him where it was and since Tom Riddle is the last heir of Slytherin so he can speak Parseltongue
This may be a rabbit hole discussion, but this reminded me of something I thought about earlier. Suppose that someone is actually immortal. They won’t be able to die at all. But if someone else who may live just as long without being immortal, they will die at death’s hand (which happens to even the oldest among the human race). Because of this, the only way for anyone to be able to prove that they are truly immortal is to have been living for an infinite number of years. Otherwise, death can easily take them over and ruin their chance at immortality. In other words, it is largely impossible for even the immortal being to know whether or not immortal, as death can easily disprove their status at any point.
I think it could be really helpful if you did a timeline series for Harry Potter (might help for the quizzes too 😉).
The ring held the resurrection stone. If Tom knew how to use it, he could have asked Salizar Slitheron himself how to find and open the chamber of Secrets.
Y’all are usually entertaining. I found this very entertaining, but I knew this. I always took it that Voldemort had to have learned about the chamber from the Gaunts. I also miss remembered the line from Dumbledor as the diary was the first one they found not the first horcrux.
Wait, didn't Tom Riddle get the locket and Hufflepuff's cup when he met Hepzibah Smith when he was working at Borgin and Burke's after he graduated from Hogwarts? I think it was covered by Dumbledore in the sixth book when he was showing Harry the memories.
Video idea: how was the jinx placed on the defense against the dark arts position. Like was it a taboo placed on the name or something else
i knew the ring was the first horcux LONG ago. That it was when he killed his father's family, framed his uncle morphin that he had the information that he was descended from the slytherin line. so then he went about locating the chamber of secrets and made the second horcrux with mrytle's death.
Here is a good one. How did slughorn not suspect Tom after the death of Myrtle? Tom asking slughorn about horcruxes and pretty much saying he wants to kill atleast 7 people. And then there are attacks at the school with 1 person dying. I understand these were different school years between this question. But still I feel he might have suspected something.
I can't remember if you have done this allready or not but a what if chamber of secrets wasn't open in Harry's second year video could be intresting
Hehe, set it up as "What if the Weasleys didn't drive back home to pick up Ginny's diary?" :P That way it's still in her possession, but she'd start spending her time with it over the summer, rather than during the school year. That, or she'd go back home during the first possible break and grab it, kicking things off just a little bit later than normal.
But as what-ifs go, "over the summer" is a far more interesting change-up. Especially if Harry spends any time at the Burrows that year.
Great job! I'd have never come up with the age thing; totally forgot he was born during the Christmas holiday season.
This is insane, but somehow this is my first realization that Tom already had made any Horcruxes before talking to Slughorn about them at all.
Regarding the mystery chamber of secrets, firstly it was hidden in the basement under the toilet room.
And secondly, it was made by Slytherin Founder Salzhar.
And only those who spoke wormtongue could open it.
Moaing-Myrtle died because she had direct contact with the eyes of The Basilisk.
Voldemort was a Gaunt, so he could speak the Pasel tongue fluently.
That's why he found it.
And put someone in a trance and opened it for him.
50 years ago, the name Voldemort did not exist, there was no student with that name.
But Tom Jr. Riddle (Marvolo) was a student at the time.
Who later changed his name to Voldemort.
It wasn’t in the basement it was in the girls bathroom directly above the great hall on the 2nd floor.
Currently on Forbidden Forest chap of PoS on your podcast. ❤️ All your content and theories. A few chapters ago you mentioned broomsticks having cores and discussing wand woods. I think you may have overlooked one important detail. Wands are made from trees of "wand quality wood" usually occupied by Bowtruckles. Seems likely that racing brooms along with other magical objects such as vanishing cabinets are made from these same trees possesing magical properties. Much like Gellert Grindelwald says that magic occurs in rare souls, certian trees of same speicies in a forest have innate magic. Perhaps the great oak doors in the Hogwarts entrance hall or Durmstrang pirate ship were built using the same quality wood to make magic wands?
Be cool to see a video of potential everyday items from furniture or rolltop desks to other household things that are harvested from these specific trees and how it makes them inherently magical without need of specific charms added.
I just hope that JK is pouring herself a cup of tea, wraps a blanket around herself, sits down, watches this video and goes: "okay they got this one down too" and slams the laptop down
Except they didn’t. The theory has massive flaws and is fundamentally incorrect.
This is absolutely the result of through the grifindoor. Keep up the great work!
I never thought about this one, until one of the last Through the Griffenfdoor Episodes. So this video had perfect timing :)
Video idea/question: how do muggle-borns get their school supplies? Where do they get wizard money?
Follow up: for muggle-borns who go on to live in the Wizarding world, where/how do they get money? They've only gone to school, they have no wizard jobs, so no wizard money paychecks. How do they start building an account at gringotts?
Love to see a video on these subjects, even though we pretty much know how they are resolved.
First one is shown with Riddle at the orphanage, and with Harry in book 1, a representative from the school brings them to get their supplies, and in Riddle's case, there's a fund setup to aid muggleborns.
For part 2, we again have Riddle to thank, as he went from school, to working at Borgin and Burkes. I imagine that would have happened when Umbridge sat in on Harry's consultation for what he wanted to do after school, they just never covered it as Harry was already established in the Wizarding world, though that one is strictly just an assumption.
You exchange muggle money for wizard money at Gringotts. We hear about Hermione's parents doing it in one of the books when they're all at Diagon Alley.
As for a bank account, they can start that by exchanging muggle money for wizard gold. And when they graduate they can get a job like any other wizard. Blood status doesn't matter.
@LadyBeyondTheWall so they just gotta live at home with muggle parents until they can afford an apartment/house in wizarding world?
Mainly, just curious about the awkward stage of muggle borns trying to adjust and get their foot in the door of living in the Wizarding world. If you think a small town farm kid moving to place like NYC or LA is a culture shock, muggles going to WW has got to been 10x more intense
@@iowa89357 , wizards live in the same world as muggles. In fact, wizards probably have to convert their money into muggle money to buy a house. So, yeah, muggle-born students would live with their parents until they can afford their own home, which would be the exact same way that pure blood or half blood students would live. Their blood status doesn't seem like it would affect that basic part of life.
I'm still in the intro, but I'm gonna take a guess that it has something to do with either Slytherin's locket or the basilisk whispering and luring the heirs in considering more than one Gaunt knew about it and opened it
I always start out so skeptical but by the end of the video I'm 100% convinced that you guys are right 😂 As an author myself, however, I always wonder if the authors ever see your videos and think, "Thanks for fixing my pothole!" Lol
I was pretty sure it was "pretty obvious" that ring was first and Voldy asked about more than one. In movies he was playing with ring during memory and in books Dumbledore even corrected Harry that he was asking about "more than one" because nobody made more than one and not about "how about seven". Im a bit shocked that anyone would belive he made two at that time, especially you guys
"“You think he succeeded then, sir?” asked Harry. “He made a Horcrux? And that’s why he didn’t
die when he attacked me? He had a Horcrux hidden somewhere? A bit of his soul was safe?”
“A bit… or more,” said Dumbledore. “You heard Voldemort, what he particularly wanted from
Horace was an opinion on what would happen to the wizard who created more than one Horcrux,
what would happen to the wizard so determined to evade death that he would be prepared to
murder many times, rip his soul repeatedly, so as to store it in many, separately concealed
Horcrux. No book would have given him that information. As far as I know - as far, I am sure,
as Voldemort knew - no wizard had ever done more than tear his soul in two.” "
Still like to believe that the creation of the diary precedes the creation of the ring for the simple fact that this way the order of the creation and the order of the destfuction of the horcruxes match up (diary, ring, locket, cup, diadem, harry nagini)
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I haven't watched it yet, but my theory is that he won Felix Felicis and used that to find it.
Slughorn uses that as a prize for his 6th year students & Tom was a 5th year when he opened the chamber altho it's been theorized that Tom DID use the Felix felicis to sweet talk the grey lady into telling him about the diadem
I've always wondered why the plumbers Never found the chamber when they put Sink in