KTM 390 Duke VS Triumph Speed 400: Fantastic motorcycles | PowerDrift
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- What a time to be alive! Triumph has brought in the Speed 400 and the Scrambler 400x and KTM has injected new life in the 390 Duke. Varun Painter and Karan Singh with the comparo.
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0:00-1:08 - Intro
1:09-4:09 - Engine & Gearbox
4:10-6:10 - Suspension & Ride Quality
6:11-7:55 - Handling
7:56-10:12 - Looks + Fit & Finish
10:13-11:57 - Ergonomics
11:58-15:04 - Pricing
15:05-16:04 - Summary
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I went with the Triumph....just rode from Delhi to Nashik via Banswara and Sardar Sarovar, brilliant machine! I'm 58 and 5'9", felt so light, powerful , natural and effortless compared to my Meteor 350. It was a hoot on Saputara ghats....I came back to my 20s there!!
I think the last lines sum it up really well, Duke is what the heart wants, Speed is what the practical mind says...so if you have the money to be impractical and go with your heart, go with the duke.
If you want to be mature with your money and decision the speed is the definite choice.
Oh yes 🙌
I've always liked the Duke 390 and would possibly be my pick if I were 30 years younger. If I were in the market for a new smaller bike for zipping around town on, it would likely be the Speed 400. It just looks like it would make more sense for urban commuting and even sitting on for a while if stuck in traffic. The Speed 400 is also quite a bit less money. The Speed 400 is $5800 here vs about $7600 for the Duke 390. That's a pretty big price difference.
Good choice. The performance of the Triumph is very easy to get used to as well.
The duke is around 4500$in india
Can you guys share a video of all the bikes your entire team/crew owns and why?
For sure! Sounds like a plan
Why do you guys take out the spec info in less than a second, everytime I have to rewind it and pause it to read it, it's almost like you don't want us reading those. And it takes me away from listening to the nice flow of your talk. Please leave it for 5 seconds at least
Please read this comment pd
Done and done! Will increase the stay going forward
@@powerdriftofficial not bad, quick actions and responses 😎
I'll take the Triumph every time. Plenty of power, great configuration and far more useful in many more situations.
Oh yes
I'm happy with the speed 400, it's awesome
Cheers bud! Hope you are having a good time with the motorcycle
Finally someone who has the same opinion as me on the 390 Duke's design, I think it looks great specially in the atlantic blue color
+1
Hate how the new 390 looks. I dont know about these things but if that side pannel can be removed and you could fit the old bs6 like pannel or even better something that makes it look the awesome KTM 790, it would be amazing!
Doubtful. Also there is some function to it than just form.
@@powerdriftofficial
But some designed form into function.
God that shot at 5:27 is Incredible! No better words can explain about the suspension than that shot! Wow PowerDrift amazing!
Nice no?
@@powerdriftofficial Absolutely!
Totally agree on the Speed Rev Counter. I just took delivery of my Spped, and I really wish the RPM counter was analog.
Took a test ride of both. Bang on with heat management on triumph Karan. However the Duke 390 is hot in 35* degrees Bombay heat. Also the jerky nature of the duke is a total turn off and like Varun said Duke is no tourer. 😅
Yes yes and yes! 😄
Completely agree with Varun on the Duke 390's character after a short test ride. After 5k rpm is when the hooligan shows it's true character. A very well compiled comparison video 👍.
Yes, you are right
Imho, that side fairing of duke looks odd and stands out, like a cheap aftermarket mod. A stepdown from the previous model in terms of design.
You mean the shoulder extension?
calling the duke 390 vfm citing its equipment is like saying bhai aapko aapki thali me gulab jamun bhi denge , rasgulle bhi denge , halwa , papad sab denge isiliye yeh thali ka hum itna lenge !! bhai nahi mangta quick shifter , nahi chahiye adjustable suspension humkko ! apache ki trha rakho alag package ki jisko chahiye woh le apne vfm ki defination ke hisab se
Wait! Which motorcycle do you ride?
The incorrect camera angles and the ridiculously fast specification timings on the screen is what I could only focus on. 😅
I love the editing you guys do. Maybe this video is one of the few misses in the ocean of hits.
Thank you for letting us know! Onwards and upwards from here
Here in Mexico the difference in price is around 1k USD which is about 15% of the total cost of the Speed 400, so they are in the same market. Really the only thing the Speed 400 has over the KTM is the looks and maybe the fit and finish. I agree that the instrument cluster would have been so much better on the Speed had the tachometer being the analog and the speedo digital one.
Information/specs displayed in the video disappears way too quickly, impossible to read without pausing the video. please keep it a little longer so it's easy for us to read the information you're providing.
Sorry about that!
Gonna buy both...only conclusion I got from here 😅
Bwahahahaha
@powerdriftofficial you guys should increase the time the specs are displayed over the video. In some of the frames they are hardly there for a second so I'll have to go back and pause which isnt ideal
We hear you bud!
Agreed, my one complaint about the vid.
The only downside of gen 3 duke is the looks. I'll wait for Triumph to open a showroom in guwahati.
But looks are subjective no? Some like it, some don’t
It's already opened in guwahati
@@hirakmedhi7607 thanks for the information.
Owned a gen 2 390 for 6 years and loved it. Im sure the new bike is better but to me not quite as good looking but better than the gen 1. I now own a Hornet which is brilliant but again not the best looking bike out there. If i went back down to this size bike I'm not sure which of these id have to be honest. Maybe the Triumph🤔
Which Triumph though? The Speed or the Scrambler?
Got my Duke 390 a few days back, It Literally Flies above 5000 RPM, So much acceleration that I have to grab the handles very firmly so it doesnt leave me behind. In love with this machine
It’s wild after 5K
Guys you have not included ownership point of view. Triumph service interval and annual cost is considerably less than KTM. Cannot miss this from an ownership pov.
The interval is still one year. Plus the network is still not as strong as KTM
I bought an RC 390 in 2014, Got a Gen 2 Duke 390 in 2018. So my opinion is kinda set in stone. You ride a KTM and accept it for it is, you won't find a reason to switch to a different bike. And being 6 ft, I can agree to what Varun is saying, Touring is not Ideal on this one. Not bad, but not phenomenal either.
Perfect comment tbh!
Speed 400 was so comfortable completed 900km within just 10 days of purchase.
How does it hold up on highways? Here in the States I think a minimum of speed would be 120kph with some room to spare.
@@1981menso Well I prefer to cruise at the sweet spot i.e 110kph but it can hold up 120kph on the highway with ease.
@@thesaze3542 Thank you! Be safe my brother.
Both these bikes are great, if you prefer subtlety go for Speed 400 and if you like being flashy go with 390, and if you like going big distances wait for next gen 390 adv, before going for Himalayan 452. 🙂
The next gen 390 ADV will be announced later in 2024
Day of launch: I like Triumph
Price reveal: it is way too low for this
After Reviews: done I'm getting a speed 400
One of the best city and comfort cruising bike
Ah haaa
Please give us more videos on Speed 400. One of the most exciting bike launches in last few years. Absolute game changer by Triumph!
What do you want to see? Let us know!
@@powerdriftofficial Speed 400 vs RTR 310 drag race would be sick!
Finally a fair comparison with Speed 400
Oh yes! Fair always
This duke orangey orange colour is growing on me. Yesterday i saw rhat colour on road ..its even bright irl..but I am not hating it as much as I was when I saw it first time..
The blue also looks quite nice.
Got my Speed 400 Week back. Love how smooth gear shift is ❤❤❤
Congratulations! Happy and safe riding days
Great video... thanks guys..
Pls come up with Himalayan 450 vs Scrambler 400X 🤟🏻
Done dana done done
Directing and editing stuff is such at a great level far better than any other channel and also love to watch Varun sir 😜 ❤lov u pd❤
The team appreciates this comment :)
Camera be like
“Yeh bhai edhar dekhnaa yeh bhai yeh bhai”
We hear you :)
3rd Gen Duke 390 have hell lots of issues, KTM need to resolve those issues first, may be 2nd slot will be good.
What issues? I hadn’t seen any videos on it
With engine seizing yes
@@powerdriftofficialwhy didn't you mention it in this video. ?
The triumph is just a good looking bike....the ktm, just isn't.
Sure!
@@powerdriftofficialit's subjective right ?
The new Svartpilen and Vitpilen are an option, if you dont like the 390 looks.
I wanna see scrambler 400x vs himalayan 452 vid. Reason:- including myself, lot of people are comparing it alot
Coming soon!
Those mirror stalks on 390 duke look fantastic despite being a cost-cutting effort.
Too good no?
@@powerdriftofficial They actually look better than the international version.
Please look at the camera while talking during closeup shots
Feedback appreciated!
Simply put. If you're under 25, you're probably gonna like the 390 more. More mature riders will enjoy the Speed more. Exceptions are always there, of course.
Actually, its the other way around.
@@powerdriftofficial you're saying an older, matured person is going to prefer the Duke? Something just feels wrong about that. 😛
Would appreciate if the specs are on the screen for atleast a few seconds, was having to play fastest finger first to pause the video and read the specs
Feedback noted. We will increase the stay for another 3 seconds
Where are these two looking while talking? I mean, hello! We are the audience 😂.
Kept switching between primary and secondary cams. But we realize where we went wrong. Apologies
Gen 3: those tank shrouds or extensions whatsoever looks unnecessary.
Love both motorcycles. But I chose the Speed 400 for its more calmer looks and calmer behaviour. ❤
Not a bad choice at all.
We need more videos on Duke 250
We have one for now! Such a brilliant motorcycle
@Powerdrift can you please add in bike reviews about headlight throw.
We can do that yes.
I would like to see how RTR 310 compares between the two. Actually I think it's a mixture of both.
The RTR is full of features. But the engine isn't as strong.
Sad its only 16 min, I can watch this video whole day
❤️❤️❤️
After a v long time
Fantastic video with gud content
Welcome back 😊
Thank you so much 😀
As you guys said in start santra ya saveb... It nice to have the option
Absolutely
Yeah. Am too 6'. Slightly it goes rowards rightside. But its the correct balanced one
390s over anything, anyday. Period! 🧡 I own the 2nd generation but I might just trade it for the 3rd 🔜
Let’s gooooooooo
I just bought gen 3 it is 🐯🐯
No brand can fare against the gen 3 390, It's VFM, Spec, Handling, Power, Drivability, Braking, Heat management, Sexy Looks, Electronics, Features. I believe no other single cylinder engine in the 400cc segment can even get closer to this, not now and will never in the future.
@@prasannasantharam yes the riding mods are best in this bike screen is very fast and responsive like a smart phone..i still need to test launch control.
I am 6 feet tall, rode the Duke, it did feel cramped.
Sat on the Speed 400 it felt great, but I have not ridden it yet.
Some reviewers are saying the Speed 400 pulls to the right, anyone else see or experienced that?
Great video! Need a video comparing 390 Adv vs Himalayan 450!!
Not that but something with the Himmy is coming soon.
When's classic 350 vs hd440x vid coming?
Not happening anytime soon
Feels like a Triumph 😅😅.. Someone's following their ex-editor's videos😂
Huh?
KTM spilt orange paint can intentionally while deciding colors for the duke 390.
Orange is the brand theme literally. Maybe too much orange with the new one.
Ownership review (3 months)
Pros:
1. Love the torque; perfect for city rides, 5/5.
2. Exceptional handling, rating it 5/5.
3. Impressive build quality, deserving a 5/5.
4. Great for highway runs (touring), with a rating of 4/5.
Cons:
1. Experiencing vibrations after 90-100 kmph.
2. Could have been slightly heavier for a 400cc bike, especially coming from a Classic 350.
3. Headlamp visibility at night is poor.
4. Mileage is around 27/28.
Conclusion:
Overall, I love the bike, and I don’t regret buying it.
Good summary
Use a better engine oil & see the refinement improve over 90kmph.. Only above 130kmph the vibes start annoying!..
I'm glad to hear that a PD video about the Africa Twin 2023 will be rolling out soon.🥳🥳
Hahahahha! Well played :D
@PD team, have you heard anything from the KTM team regarding the early engine issues that went viral. Is the engine issue on KTM sorted?
We did hear about it yes. Haven't heard anything from the brand though.
1) Hey Karan, blue or the orange duke which is the best looking ..? 2) Also, imagine the orange one with a black seat..
VP likes the blue more. Karan like Gen 2 more
Fun fact both these companies are backed by bajaj either buy speed 400 or duke 390 money goes in indian brands pocket and i like that 😅😊😊
Hahahha
Half the money
guys i am planning on purchasing a adv for touring purpose. would be great if you could have an adv bike shootout featuring 390 adv, new himalayan, bmw 310 gs. whatever you guys would find the best will end up in my garage. great content as always.
Himalayan
We have everything on our page in the form of individual videos. The GS is old, the 390 ADV sits at a higher price point and the HImmy is fresh!
KTM affordable for service and spares (could be avoided)
Aayein?
@@powerdriftofficial yes not affordable than Bajaj or Yamaha spares
KTM needs to churn out all black bikes if they wanna recover their image of "Chapri Bike"
Bike is not chapri...rider are the chapri.....
100!
@@digital-_universe Agreed! But they are making their bikes stand out even more with the recent colour options even after knowing what their brand image has become bcoz of those "riders". I would really appreciate black or white colour options as they use to be before
If it aint orange, it aint KTM. I love the orange color and I bought one just cuz of the orange color.
@@JandN I don't hate orange. I know it depicts their brand but sometimes they overdo it and with the gen 3 they did. The gen 2 version has some colour options you could chose from. Black, white or go with complete orange. With gen 3 you have orange or blue that in my opinion doesn't go well with the bike
I’m riding a speed twin 1200 and seriously downsizing to one these days, I tried the scrambler 400x found it absolutely awful 😞 nice chat gentleman have you convinced me ?
From a 1200 to a 400, anyone will find it awful :P
Pillion foot pegs are very close to riders pegs, which ends up both nudging their feet whenever either one moves.
For the Speed or the Duke?
@@powerdriftofficial in Speed, "krke dekho, accha lgta hai" 😄
😂@@anan7s294
Sharing my opinion, after riding both extensively.
Speed 400 is a triumph in all sense but the engine. I love how there are no flat spots throughout the rev range but engine mannerisms are more like the 660 engine and not like a speed twin. The calm composure is not there but yes engine’s torque is much much better than so many bikes. I’d goto the length to say this engine is what new Himalayan should have gone for.
On the other hand duke has become a perfect street bike. I have no complaints from duke. It’s become linear & peppy. The nimbleness and the agility in this bike now. Amazing!!!
Well said bud! Very good summary
Thoughts on duke 250 vs 400 plz...
@@powerdriftofficial Always good to see your videos! The new guy is doing a good job.
@@coolfriend693 What is your use case?
@@pathikdesai5853 80kms ride daily via
highway, with some patch of road being gravely where I enjoy sliding the rear bike tire ... 🙂... I like to rev out my 150cc bike in every gear but that's mostly cz I have reached its torque and speed limits, but I enjoy it...
80k cheaper than a 390! Triumph! What else you need bruh
Bullet 350 is much cheaper
@@rajendertkrsplendor is cheaper than bullet 350 🤡
Its truly VFM
Very well done , the passion and love for bikes shows through
VP and KS loved these products.
Is it what now being called journalism? Sounds more like sales department.
VP and KS liked both! And they are fantastic motorcycles.
gen 1 and gen 3 looks beautiful
True that
Can you guys make a long ride review on new Bullet 350 , you guys have not made a proper review on that please look into that 🙏🏽
Cause everyone knows the bike is shit it's selling only on the name value sorry but that's my personal opinion.
@corporatebullshit73 thank you for sharing your views bro, but there is a whole cult following for them. Who hold the brand close to their ❤️
@@anwar_shaik agreed to that earlier I used to like the classic but later when u started riding properly it didn't give me the feel like there is no ease of ride or power and that is where I got dropped off the whole idea of a RE
Its literally the same J-Series engine is a somewhat new body
Varun sir smiling as always gives me hint for the recreation of Ali bhai scene is comin😂
Bwahahahha! Maybe! Maybe not!
gen 1 owners will not like gen 2, gen 3 and gen 2 will not like gen 3. that's how human's think😁
Kare to kare kya?
@@powerdriftofficial was speaking about Karan's liking @8:06
I am waiting for scrambler 400
That’s another good bike
Waiting for Himalayan 450 vs ktm adventure video
Dropping soon
I wonder how the speed would feel with 19” front wheels and mud guard from 400x🤔.
It would feel like a Scrambler.
Looks at the camera guys 🤧 who you talking to?
The primary cam! But we have heard your feedback.
@@glitchfyre5188Do consider me as well 😅. I love the Moto Guzzi longitudinally mounted v twin engines. And the new Stelvio is definitely a looker, specially compared to the last gen.
Wrong comparison Speed 400 should go with Duke 250 because they are very similar in price duke is almost a lakh costiler than speed 400
bola na bro its apple to oranges comparison hae ye
@@priyadarshivyas2233 ha bro woh pata hai but it was about different types of bike
@@priyadarshivyas2233 he aint wrong, the duke 250 is a subdued version of it 390 sibling which makes it perfect for city use and practical choice. Just like the reviewers said in the above video for the speed 400. But i guess the compro is also very simple. Go for the duke 250 if you want better tech or you wish to visit the tracks regularly. Get the speed 400 if you want to own a bigger capacity bike and yet have a comfortable regular city rides and decent highway experience.
Yes but perf figures! Lets discount the cost factor with this one.
Where is the drag race between Apache 160 4vand Xtreme 4v ? It was supposed to get uploaded on Sunday???
This Saturday!
still asking for a comparison between speed 400 and cb300r
Not happening anytime soon. Honda does not have a media unit.
Please compare speed 400, duke 250 and honda 300r. Same price group.
That's a good comparison but no media unit from Honda
The looks of the big plastic shrouds on the Duke are debatable. There for practical reasons, don't know exactly what, but must be something to do with wind/air deflection. Kind of angled like the MotoGP winglets for extra downforce at the front... not sure that's necessary in this category of motorcycling. Anyone else know the full function of these shrouds?
Ofcourse! Looks are subjective anyway. With what we know, they are form over function for now.
@powerdriftofficial I'm a little undecided what I think about them. I don't love them, don't hate them.
This bike sounds almost perfect for the category. My only little gripe is the overall weight. It's only 15-20kg lighter than the 790, but 25-30kg heavier than the Honda CB300r. Ok, the Duke's engine is over 100cc larger and produces an extra 14bhp over the Honda. But I'm just not sure if it compensates quite enough for the extra weight. If I'm handling 170kg, I'm wanting a bigger bike than a 400 single. Part of buying a single is for that reduced weight. And that punchy torque from the thumper benefits too.
I wouldn't think twice about buying the Duke 390 if the weight was reduced to 155, ideally 150, but that might be asking slightly too much. The Herald Brute 500 (450cc) weighs 143kg (dry). That is a more expensive bike but the Duke still shouldn't be 170kg.
@@wolfpackpete6408 this is the reason why I am attracted to the cb300r myself. At 146 kgs, it seems perfect for zipping around town. Even with its lower capacity engine, it probably manages to keep up with a 390 up until the 100 kmph mark easily.
@NatrajChaturvedi I had a CB300r briefly earlier this year. Ok, I barely used it for various reasons. It was kind of nice but I didn't even get it run-in. I bought it for my delivery job which I'm barely doing anymore. For town work, a Forza 300 is faster and much more comfortable and easier for u-turns. I completely understand why people would prefer a geared bike. I like the idea of geared bikes better. They are mostly better. The CB300 floated over potholes and bumps in the road far better than the Forza! But a scooter is still better overall for town driving, and there's no way my CB300R would match my Forza 0-50/60mph!!!
A video should be done. CB300R vs Duke390.
Another thing I felt from the little use I made of my CB300R, is that it didn't want to rev to the redline. Maybe because it was new and not run-in? While this Duke apparently wants to rev hard. So maybe the Duke will be faster, assuming the rider works the engine the way it's designed to.
@@wolfpackpete6408 Thanks for sharing your experience. I am from India and our road conditions are different than yours but still you have given me some food for thought and I may chose a different machine now (Honda is gonna launch Forza 300 soon here as well) when I make the final call on what to buy.
Altho I personally am the kind of person who would rather have a gear motorcycle than a gearless scooter. Still I get why some would prefer a scooter over a motorcycle and to each their own I guess.
Both these guys look like they are looking at someone else other than the camera 😅
Primary cam yes!
Booked Speed 400 over RTR 310
Just considering the practicality and riding experience.
Please give your opinion on my decision.
Ridden both, Speed 400 feels more refined and there are less vibes
Do what you love man
I'm also considering speed 400 but I'm worried about servicing since dealership is not available here in jabalpur
Where do you live
Most sensible decision 👍
I don't like the triumph speed exhaust design I like scramblers exhaust
Fair enough!
you can put the same as the scrambler as an option. i've ordered it as such and will receive next quarter (First ones for French market)
Bro any info about cbr 150r or CBR 250rr
Nothing at the moment.
Will duke 390 adjustable forks fit into 2023 Rc390 ?
The triple clamp seems to be different.
Me waiting for Aprilia 457 review
Next month is when we get to ride it
14:56 Auto journalists choosing "sporty" over anything else. Surely "never" happened.
Man literally said that the Speed 400 is a wiser choice. He just loves how the Duke feels. At this point.. I mean come on man
We recommend another watch! Till the very end 🙃
Triumph anyday on KTM
Take a test spin of the 390 Duke too!
Plz...tell that editor to skip his meme job here. I'm already enjoys your videos. No need to put those memes.
Exactly.
400x vs 452 please.....
Merry Christmas
Duke looks like the moon god khonsu from moon knight
We had to Google that one.
For the sake of professional video making plz dont insert such crippy insta trend videos.
You must be fun at parties
@@powerdriftofficialis he wrong though ?
@@rohgames1454he is. Idk why you guys act so hoity toity when you know nothing about professional video making, you guys just sound like grumpy old men who never got used to a remote controller.
@@rohgames1454time stamp?
I agree. That was annoying.
One gripe i have with video ... The music suddenly comes up and overall sound flow is disturbed... Music should be on par with sound level in entire video... Problem with all power drift videos
Apologies!
All the good looks, power and quality for the two, but real thing should be long term reliability, durability and longevity for which Japanese are the masters.
The Japs are too good with quality!
Ingear acceleration figures?
Our good friends at Zigwheels can help you with this. We need to do a proper VBox run.