I am still surprised how two guys sitting in a studio without any vehicle present physically and doing first impression is more engaging then others doing it with the physical bike and riding on road ❤️
That's because these stalwarts together have about half a century of riding experience and not just one kinda bike but generations of bikes. They Ride, They Test, Analyze and then talk fearlessly.. thats what sets them apart. ..
A 40 minute conversation on MotorInc is worth more than a 100 vlog videos 💯 Loved how you guys acknowledged our requests and gave us an overview of the comparison of similar bikes. Question : Does TVS not giving Shumi an RTR for testing indicate that they are low on confidence? Or is it just a logistics issue? Because the TRUE colours of a product are often revealed on MotorInc
As a shy owner of the CB300R, my chest swells with pride seeing that the machine managed to find at least a mention in one of the comparisons. That alone is an achievement in my books after so many years of the machine being in production. But as Shumia said, it'd be great to see these two have a detailed sit-down about the bike and break down the pros and cons of the bike and what Honda got right and wrong with its OG 'unicorn', that is the CB300R.
Bro .. cb is soo peppy ... the acc i test rode it 2 to 3 days ago.. the bigwing guy was soo good but on a heavier build .. he was sitting as Pelion.. with him too the bike just wooshh away ...
Karthi sir summarised it 10/10 for me 1) I noticed him being more firm on his opinion and made it exactly clear what his taste and expectation of motorcycle riding experience ought to be..which felt much better than some of the old reviews where I personally felt he was ready to give up when an opposing or different opinion is suggested 2)I would also like to thank shumi sir for comparing all competitors in different departments like performance to finish quality etc and what kind of expectations to be set towards each of them. 3)I have to appreciate how diffrence in opinion is communicated well while acknowledging each other as in most workplaces I had been,ego played bigtime between makes it unbearable for anyone involved
Brother , the reason because , they are not hybrid type , they are single type combustion engines, were they don’t need to be win win reviews or compromising conclusion to stop tears of existing owners 💪🏽
What I meant in firm opinion is that for most of us watchers,reviews paint an idea of what to expect for the money we pay,which most of us had to earn.so when a reviewer is firm on their opinion,it helps the viewer much better as we are taking the information at mercy of reviewer...,which if they cant stick to when introduced to different facts and ideas...how could we possibly trust their opinions for our purchase? In case of this video I felt the reviewers agree on performance charecter but disagree on their personal taste in a different use case senario,which I think 99%of us won't be doing so its rather an intresting information , than one affecting our purchase or something much as important...😊 {If there was a big disparity in setting performance expectations by the reviewers...it might get tough for us viewers}
@@maybevcouldbe that's what u think brother?i felt except RTR/honda,there was nothing much left out...even then, they still tried best to give picture(figuratively)I Suppose
A month back I was looking at used standard bullet 500s and had almost finalised on one when I chanced upon a conversation where Karthik was mentioning the niggles with the older models and later one where Shumi was talking about how much better the j series was. Having owned a 2009 TBTS for fifteen years and having put over 2 lakh kms on it I was sold on the idea of the new standard. Then as luck would have it, as I was finalising on the standard variant of the new standard 350 I saw a short of Shumi promoting the v strom 250 sx. I went for a test drive out of morbid curiosity. I might probably be the only person to say this but it was love at first drive. So now I sit impatiently waiting for the number plates of my suzuki to come so that I can drive it out of the showroom, no fuzz, just a full tank of fuel and nothing added onto it. Thanks guys, for helping me make a great call. Love you guys.
I clean by bike on sunday mornings after waking up and during the cleaning i always listen to one of the motor inc discussions. Listening to motorinc is slowly becoming a lifestyle for me. And the long discussions actually works well for me.
😅The problem is when shumi explain about how he enjoys KTM BIKES WOULD like to own one thats the way he details it like food vloggers explain about the food that they are having he explaines each and every minute flavours ❤thats what makes this video magical . Thank you 🙏🏻 Karthikeya my brother your summary will get 8 out of 10 😊
Loved this Episode. Man it"s Fun and Informative at the same time. Especially I loved their Arguement🤣🤣. For me my Favourite Motorinc Videos go by this order 1. Motorinc Garage Video on Shumi's KTM 390 Duke. 2. Motorinc First on KTM 250 Duke 3. This Connect on Tyres........ and so goes the list. I have two request for videos 1. More Motorinc Garage videos especially on Shumi's Multi, Tuono and Karthikeya's Busa. 2. A Technical segment like Simplified in PD.
Listening to this Duke 250 podcast again after 12 months. Got the new 250 Gen 3 Ebony Black with new DRL & LCD screen 2 days before. What a machine!! This podcast was worthy with every details crystal clear. Especially the waiting period for new iterations!
@bestcocbaseswithlink5069 Hi Am 5'7, 82KG. It is comfortable for me to sit and ride. I suggest you to go for a test ride to find out the Duke 250 is fit for you.
It seemed like you two were having a lot more fun chatting about in this ep. More interactions that allowed us to see the sort of friendly banter that you guys have. Really nice video. It's always nice to see two very experienced riders talk about bikes that should (I think) normally feel underpowered to them, like they're kids just having watched Dhoom movies or something.
Hey Shumi and Kartikeya, I am an absolute fan of this format. Never thought that a conversation between two people could be so engaging in a video format. I may be making a bold statement, but MotorInc has created something that could give an existential crisis to podcasts. The knowledge and experience that you both have just makes this format more enjoyable. Be it 30 minutes or over an hour, I am genuinely excited to watch the videos you come up with. And, to build on that point, I would suggest a new format, where you just discuss the best ways to ride a bike (in terms of the best rev range the best gearing, etc). I have always learned how to milk the most out of a bike by riding it time and again, but listening to you makes me feel that if this information is made available, it will help many inexperienced riders enjoy their purchase much more and much faster.
Completely agree, I was a complete noob when I bought my first bike and couldn't extract the full performance for so many years. Only after I started watching more info videos on bikes I got know how to extract the full potential of my bike and that moment felt like nirvana. So an episode of educating new riders on how to optimally ride their bikes will be such a treat
The CBR250R was without faults. Without Faults. And, I got it really early; May 2011. Again, No Faults. Been riding for 35 years, started on the Yezdi 250 CL - II. I have a Bonneville A3 now, got it in 2015, and a really old Apache 180, 2009. Both are riding good. Tempted by the Duke 250, now. And, that was a Top Notch presentation; thank you. 🙏🏼
39:30- Yes like Shumi said, we want both of their thoughts about HONDA Bikes spread over both their normal & bigwing showrooms.. Please have a conversation, video, podcast anything.. & Not only for Honda, for every other bike manufacturing company too.. We want to know your thoughts on where the manufacturers stand & how they fair as of 2024...
Thank you guys for the video.. I love my Duke 250 of 2021. The calm nature saved me when I was transitioning from my Gixxer SF. Right now its like she reads my mind on the road and we are in sync all the time. The newer ones are even better it seems and Bravo to KTM for that..
With KTM, Triumph and others introducing powerful and lightweight bikes. Is it a wise choice to ditch the heavier RE’s for long rides? Do advice please.
Hey Arnab, both kinds of bikes have distinctly different feel and pros/cons. We'd suggest you get a test ride to get a sense of the difference in flavour and see if it suits your taste/preference
Because Shumi and karthik is blend of Journalism/Motorism/DNA expresses the spontaneous delivery of the Facts . Because as shumi has the badge on his shirt , Speaking truth is the Most Powerful and Easy enough 🤝
Masterpiece from Mattighofen: Owner of the last available batch. May 2023 KTM 250 Duke, Ebony Black. 1. Amazing suspension. 10/10 Superb would be an understatement. 2. Excellent ABS. 3. Beautiful exhaust note. Great and very reliable engine and exhaust. Brilliant electronics. 4. Top notch build quality. You see it in person and you will be blown away! (if it's a clean bike) 5. The 250 is such an amazing engine for the duality it offers. It can be super snappy / agile or very relaxed! A gem of an engine. Refined for sure. It is both a cruiser and a sports bike! 6. Great brakes. The front brake is brilliant. 9.5/10 (better pads can help!) AMAZING!
I experienced one of my longest rides in Meghalaya on a Duke 250, and absolutely fell in love with it. The one little grouse back then was the LCD unit from the Duke 200 (Orange colored). It feels bizarre that even to this day Bajaj and KTN take the call to not give the best Duke the best screen. I would happily pay a premium for the color TFT. It is not a feature why anyone would jump from the 250 to the 390 (since they are quite different in character and capability) but it would make a big difference to the rider who is looking at it every single day!
@motorinc I was just wondering if by any chance you confused the 300R with the 300F. I personally have the 300F and I'm very happy with it having done almost 22k km in 8.5 months, but I do know that there have been a lot of reviews where they mention it as a dull bike. But almost every review I've seen mentions that the 300R is an absolute pocket rocket. So would be great if you can just clarify that
Okay, i just found this channel, always been a fan of shumi regarding everything that riding encapsulates, and im so happy that yall are making such detailed videos on motorcycles, unlike our everyday cars, our interaction with motorcycles are far more intricate and a millimeter here or there might make a huge difference in how you experience a motorcycle and only an experienced rider like shumi who lives and breathes motorcycles can do it this well. So, among the sea of motovloggers and big media reviews (which feel so incomprehensive in thier rundown), this will be my only goto channel from now on. I dont even need to be in the market for a machine, how yall break it down in fun enough to watch. So Thank you guys, really appreciate it. TOP CONTENT.
This happens everytime! I'm like Karthikeya, I know that Shumi is right but still wanna be excited for Linear (Shumi Graph) Bikes which can do anything (dynamic)😊 when I demand.
I don't have money to buy right now and am still watching anything and everything as much as possible on KTM 250 and watched this episode and what a wholesome view. I hope I will wait for some batches to pass.
Hi as you adviced that dont buy the bike from 1st batch wait till june. But lets say i have to get bike by the end of this month either 250 duke or vitpilen 250 so should i wait more or is it fine to buy one now
Dear brother Shumi u said not to hurry & wait and so I held my horse for almost a year😊. I bought this bike yesterday 21/12/24 - Duke250. It was really difficult for me to wait but yes a good machine is worth the wait. Wish me luck to enjoy this marvel machine ❤ Love from Kolkata ❤
It always gives a smile when I'm unable to put into words the sense of what the bike gives me but then Shumi comes into play and says this happened because of this, this feels like this because of this and it perfectly matches with what I have experienced when I ride a certain bike is amazing. the little things like the wheelbase is so short and the front tire is right underneath you and it feels quick(this is exactly what I felt when I rode the old Duke 250 but couldn't put it into words for how quick it can steer) This happens to me with most of the bikes I have ridden and the sense of what it means when Shumi puts it in words. In this aspect I would love to see ur experiences and thoughts on every manufacturer (got curious when u said to leave a comment for Honda).
10:30 onwards, just watch for a min, see how much shumi enjoys this bike.. !!! thats true feeling of how the bike feels. and see how much he enjoys telling us about this riding experience.
As others have said in this thread and elsewhere, the banter, really the provocativeness of Shumi combined with the ease of Karthi, is what makes their videos work. Every creator provides knowledge. They provide information with an obnoxious aggressive personality that plays well on TH-cam. You need an aggressor and you need a calming agent. That's why people like me from a distance love watching them.
Whoa @Shumi aka Guruji... That "Honda" truth was brutal, but bang on... A lot of coulda woulda shoulda surrounding the Honda products still.. It's like what Singhee Sahab said, they enter the segment unsure what to deliver and whom to compete...
What Shumi said about not going out to buy the first bike and to wait awhile is so spot on. 👍🏼Having owned 10 bikes over the last decade from the Hero Puch to the 1st gen KTM 390, have learnt to wait till companies have a good product before running to the showroom to buy one.
Planning to buy Duke 250 & was waiting for exactly this video. 😁 It's been a wonderful conversation, all of my questions have been answered especially Shumi's advice don't be in hurry & until 1st batch is cleared. Thanks a lot.....! ❤
24:00 absolutely agree with shumi and kartik and that is what i was thinking all about ever since i saw 250 and 390. Strongly feel 390’s tank shrouds are unnecessarily elongated the clean compact and sorted design of the 250 is what captivate me. 390’s engine and 250’s body would work right for me.
This podcast is so damn perfect that I am crystal clear that this is the bike I am looking for. I recently rented the Pulsar N160 and rode it for almost 400 kms and loved the torque and its city friendliness so much that I was planning to get the N250. But after seeing this podcast, I think this KTM matches more to what I want. My life would be miserable if I got this as it is way above my budget but I believe it will be worth the misery. Will take a test ride sometime next year.
Waiting to see what Husqvarna 250s can do with this chassis and engine. The current Vitpilen is a Gem (Much needed RC250 in disguise IMO) . I am Trying to get the 390's suspension to fit in on the Vitplen TOO XD.
Svarpilen 250 owner 25,000 km done in 3 years Brakes upgraded Lots of weight here and there reduced Michelin road 5 installed Vitpilen clipons installed I too am looking for the new 390’s suspension upgrade. I also did some digging to get even better stopping performance. Shall we connect and share notes ?
Booked a duke250 today, after test riding CB300R, 310R and D250. Interestingly the showroom guys told me the quick shifter is only for upshifts, was not my top priority anyway. All are great machines, this one just put a wider smile on me.
Time flies while listening to you folks talk about bikes! Being an RE owner for close to a decade, I finally let it go, because it just didn't make sense anymore in terms of reliability, performance and maintenance. I have had my eyes on 250 ADV for a year now. This upgrade to the Duke 250 looks great. Any chance the upgrades will be transferred to 250 ADV as well?
THANKS GUYS!! IT WAS GREAT!! (capitalization so that Shumi can read the comment.😜) . Kartikey summarized the bike pretty well, can't really point anything out. Solid Job!👍9/10 (Even the best of us have room for improvement.) . And we desperately need a discussion on the Honda situation in the CB 350 First. Great Work Everyone.👍
Ques.1 What is your take on the 250 ADV? Or the whole ADV lineup from KTM? Can't help but wonder, that something feels off about those. Comments on that.
Hey! Please do see the MotorInc First on the KTM 390 Adventure (might be Ep 01). We did discuss in detail our worries and the opportunity for the KTM Adventure line in that. Glad you enjoyed this episode Akaal!
I remember my first gen Duke 200. In the South Indian summer heat, riding with it in traffic during afternoons, if I was wearing a flip flop to move, I could feel my skin properly cooking. When I sold it, the kid who got it from me came back and told me it was too hot. So I opened up the manual and showed him the 136 degree engine heat mentioned as the operating temperature of the bike. That was funny.
I guess Shumi was about to talk about the mileage but then the conversation moved to another topic. So what do you think how much would be the mileage and range with the increased tank capacity?? Anyhow, I feel you guys covered everything especially for the confusion between who should be looking to get a 250 or 390. I have been thinking of upgrading from a Gixxer SF 2015 model for quite sometime, so I am always confused between a 250 and 390 but this video made it very clear for me now. Thank you.
Mileage depends on how you ride it. I get 27 or so from my 2019 250. I know people who get 33. Basically I can’t help revving it, so the mileage suffers.
It is always advisable to get a test ride of both the bikes. They are different in character and the one which resonates with you more, consider that as final.
I have changed duke gen 3 display with duke 250 Results are 1)Back tyre: abs wont work 2) Front tyre: abs works 3)MTC option not available on duke 250 4)quick shifter works Conclusion - don't install duke 390 tft display on duke 250
Neatly done as usual, I don't know why youtube doesn't recommend this on my homepage neither was I able to find the video in the channel nor the subscription part. Now these are the small requests that I have, 1. What kind of bikes should the new riders look for, I myself haven't owned any bikes but have ridden my brother's pulsar 220f and ns200, my friends re hunter and meteor, tvs raider and splendor of course, but the confusion is what type of rider am I is still a question, I liked all bikes I've ridden, but still it's always a question, so it would be better if u guys can give an idea like buy something ride for somedays figure out change the bike😂 2. How to test ride, like what are the things we have to try while test riding the bike! It is simple but it is the key enabler of buying a bike, so what are all the aspects we should look for? [ Oh yeah forgot to add, these summary ,keep them coming]
Really appreciate your effort @motorinc for this review👍, but I would really like you to compare CB300r vs 250 Duke, as they are nearly the same price and specs😅
@@motorinc grrr seriously, what are you guys waiting for ? 😅 I like sam manekshaw but I waited for your review videos more eagerly than the movie. Many good bike releases in India, such exciting times and you guys are like 'yet to test' 'not tested' . Those 2 are such awesome bikes. C'monn get more excited!! Overwork for few days, can chill later. (I know easy for me to say, but you guys will have your reasons😁)
I think you guys should defintely get some time on the cb300r. It is a hoot. It is a very light bike, refined throughout the rev range. Properly quick, darts through traffic. Compact surprise.
Shumi is right. I should've listened and waited for the later batches. I had my engine oil leak out on a 120km ride because the O-ring broke on my Scrambler 400X. Triumph replaced it under warranty, but my bike sat in the shop for a week
41 minutes and I'm just smiling at the way shumi explains the bike. He brings it to life so beautifully without it even being before you. I guess that's what girls feel when they read about fictional male characters. I haven't even taken a test ride but I've made up my mind to buy it this year. Thanks shumi!
A twelve minute review video is getting bore nowadays. But you two guys are delivering a full worth 40 minute video which I can't even skip a bit 😂❤ btw make a video on the Apache RTR 310 please.
38:47 I rode the CB300R for 15 km in a mixture of conditions and Kartikeya sums it up beautifully. Excellent city bike, doesn’t heat and is smooth but not a highway bike for sure. Feels overpriced and unreliable due to some quality issues that are still going on, unavailibilty of parts etc
The only missing thing is the fuel economy. Clicked my tongue when Karthikeya interrupted Shumi while he is about to speak on fuel economy. Else Everything is up to the benchmark and I am rally enjoying your longer videos than the shorter one.
Take a test ride @akshaypoundrik9908, as much as Shumi likes the 390 Duke, he's very clear that it's not for everyone. So, test riding will help you know if you like it.
It does but reliability of the engine is more related to how well it is engineered rather than the other factors because there's royal Enfield with lower compression ratio but still having unreliable engines and also most of the companies are good enough in engineering that they can make a reliable high compression ratio engines, exceptions are there for sure
You need to run XP95 fuel if its higheror equal to 12. And such engines are stressed engine so its better to wait for couple of years if the engine is new in the market, to see if there are any reliability issues and if the company has fixed them.
There is Nothing like KTM bikes... They r fun to drive make u feel alive and young.... Own Gs adventure 1250... And new 390 duke boy o boy what a machine it is... If ktm launch its proper advs i m selling it for sure .... The aderalin rush and feeling of reving ktm is far far ❤.....
The philosophy discussion of motorinc videos are perfect. We feel like we are included into their conversation and the discussion is having in my living room.
Thanks @motorinc for this video. Karti's summary gets a 10/10, it was spot on. I think it's the more civilized, gentlemanly one out of the trio till you poke it and when you do so, it will roll up its sleeves and will get to business real quick. I assume the adventure variant is around the corner, which means the present changes would make it an even better option for the price it's asking. Cheers!
Would Duke 250 be a great first bike for someone who's ridden a activa for 7 years and mostly been a manual car driver ( Ertiga) ? Do you think going for a 390 would be better due to the car experience ?
I want to upgrade from a 3rd gen 250 Duke to a middle weight bike. I'm looking at z900, gsx 8r, zx 6r, and I can stretch to 890 Duke r and Monster. Any suggestions?
Guys, you are both spot on...One suggestion, please include ownership reviews in a sense that you can collect all the problems and niggles these bikes are having and then address them here which can help us as buyers make informed decisions as well as bike manufactures to do their best to finish those niggles ASAP.
Whats the more comfortable highway cruiser between the d250 and the speed 400 between 100-120kmph? Speeds beyond that are not that important and the primary use for the bike would be daily commute of around 50km on narrow b and village roads with little traffic
I am still surprised how two guys sitting in a studio without any vehicle present physically and doing first impression is more engaging then others doing it with the physical bike and riding on road ❤️
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I think we can visualize the bike as we have seen many first ride review before this podcast.
That's because these stalwarts together have about half a century of riding experience and not just one kinda bike but generations of bikes. They Ride, They Test, Analyze and then talk fearlessly.. thats what sets them apart. ..
I guess we already know what the bike looks like. We want important questions answered on how it rides like. That's why we come here
Because no annoying music
I think Bajaj gained much more expertise with their KTM partnership than what TVS got with their BMW one.
It certainly appears to be the case, Sarath!
Because bajaj bought half of ktm. It wasnt a normal partnership like bmw, triumph or HD
Aaand they launched nothing under the Bajaj name
@@Vikrum_the NS200, RS200 and Dominar 400 all used tech they got from the KTM partnership
@@muhammadfaheem3746 ancient models, no updation
A 40 minute conversation on MotorInc is worth more than a 100 vlog videos 💯 Loved how you guys acknowledged our requests and gave us an overview of the comparison of similar bikes.
Question : Does TVS not giving Shumi an RTR for testing indicate that they are low on confidence? Or is it just a logistics issue? Because the TRUE colours of a product are often revealed on MotorInc
Thanks Gaureesh!
As a shy owner of the CB300R, my chest swells with pride seeing that the machine managed to find at least a mention in one of the comparisons. That alone is an achievement in my books after so many years of the machine being in production.
But as Shumia said, it'd be great to see these two have a detailed sit-down about the bike and break down the pros and cons of the bike and what Honda got right and wrong with its OG 'unicorn', that is the CB300R.
Planning to buy one any thoughts ??
Bro .. cb is soo peppy ... the acc i test rode it 2 to 3 days ago.. the bigwing guy was soo good but on a heavier build .. he was sitting as Pelion.. with him too the bike just wooshh away ...
U don't need anyone's validation to like your motorcycle
Honda will not provide them with a test bike
Simple
Karthi sir summarised it 10/10 for me
1) I noticed him being more firm on his opinion and made it exactly clear what his taste and expectation of motorcycle riding experience ought to be..which felt much better than some of the old reviews where I personally felt he was ready to give up when an opposing or different opinion is suggested
2)I would also like to thank shumi sir for comparing all competitors in different departments like performance to finish quality etc and what kind of expectations to be set towards each of them.
3)I have to appreciate how diffrence in opinion is communicated well while acknowledging each other as in most workplaces I had been,ego played bigtime between makes it unbearable for anyone involved
Thanks so much Avinash! Appreciate the feedback.
Brother , the reason because , they are not hybrid type , they are single type combustion engines, were they don’t need to be win win reviews or compromising conclusion to stop tears of existing owners 💪🏽
What I meant in firm opinion is that for most of us watchers,reviews paint an idea of what to expect for the money we pay,which most of us had to earn.so when a reviewer is firm on their opinion,it helps the viewer much better as we are taking the information at mercy of reviewer...,which if they cant stick to when introduced to different facts and ideas...how could we possibly trust their opinions for our purchase?
In case of this video I felt the reviewers agree on performance charecter but disagree on their personal taste in a different use case senario,which I think 99%of us won't be doing so its rather an intresting information , than one affecting our purchase or something much as important...😊
{If there was a big disparity in setting performance expectations by the reviewers...it might get tough for us viewers}
Broo the second point 😂 when did they compare? He said we haven't ridden the bikes.
@@maybevcouldbe that's what u think brother?i felt except RTR/honda,there was nothing much left out...even then, they still tried best to give picture(figuratively)I Suppose
A month back I was looking at used standard bullet 500s and had almost finalised on one when I chanced upon a conversation where Karthik was mentioning the niggles with the older models and later one where Shumi was talking about how much better the j series was. Having owned a 2009 TBTS for fifteen years and having put over 2 lakh kms on it I was sold on the idea of the new standard.
Then as luck would have it, as I was finalising on the standard variant of the new standard 350 I saw a short of Shumi promoting the v strom 250 sx. I went for a test drive out of morbid curiosity. I might probably be the only person to say this but it was love at first drive. So now I sit impatiently waiting for the number plates of my suzuki to come so that I can drive it out of the showroom, no fuzz, just a full tank of fuel and nothing added onto it.
Thanks guys, for helping me make a great call. Love you guys.
Oooh! Congratulations Hari! Do let us know how the experience with the VSX goes!
I clean by bike on sunday mornings after waking up and during the cleaning i always listen to one of the motor inc discussions. Listening to motorinc is slowly becoming a lifestyle for me. And the long discussions actually works well for me.
Oh man! Thanks so much for sharing that with us!
😅The problem is when shumi explain about how he enjoys KTM BIKES WOULD like to own one thats the way he details it like food vloggers explain about the food that they are having he explaines each and every minute flavours ❤thats what makes this video magical .
Thank you 🙏🏻
Karthikeya my brother your summary will get 8 out of 10 😊
What a Sunday morning it is .... As always its beautiful hearing you both just uplift the mood. Thank you for most beautiful discussion in youtube ❤
Have an awesome Sunday! And, thanks!
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Loved this Episode. Man it"s Fun and Informative at the same time. Especially I loved their Arguement🤣🤣.
For me my Favourite Motorinc Videos go by this order
1. Motorinc Garage Video on Shumi's KTM 390 Duke.
2. Motorinc First on KTM 250 Duke
3. This Connect on Tyres........ and so goes the list.
I have two request for videos
1. More Motorinc Garage videos especially on Shumi's Multi, Tuono and Karthikeya's Busa.
2. A Technical segment like Simplified in PD.
Thanks Sid! Suggestions noted and we're happy to say that it's being worked on!
Ohh yes, we definitely need more motorinc garage videos ❤
Techinal Segments are really needed, I loved the Simplified series!!
Yeah the Simplified series did by Shumi was Amazing.
Shumi is the face of Indian motorcycle patriotism. He always calls the Japanese out over their treatment of our riders and market 😂
Listening to this Duke 250 podcast again after 12 months.
Got the new 250 Gen 3 Ebony Black with new DRL & LCD screen 2 days before. What a machine!!
This podcast was worthy with every details crystal clear. Especially the waiting period for new iterations!
whats your height bro? im 5'11 and im afraid that it'll feel cramped? cus shumi said d250 is not for tall and wide riders
@bestcocbaseswithlink5069 Hi
Am 5'7, 82KG.
It is comfortable for me to sit and ride.
I suggest you to go for a test ride to find out the Duke 250 is fit for you.
Congratulations @musicproductionhub! Hope you have a lot of fun with it...
It seemed like you two were having a lot more fun chatting about in this ep. More interactions that allowed us to see the sort of friendly banter that you guys have. Really nice video. It's always nice to see two very experienced riders talk about bikes that should (I think) normally feel underpowered to them, like they're kids just having watched Dhoom movies or something.
Thanks ADV8!
@@motorinc it makes the viewers feel closer and a part of the experience
I like the friendly banter too. It makes for fun viewing. From a distance only though. Haha.
Hey Shumi and Kartikeya, I am an absolute fan of this format. Never thought that a conversation between two people could be so engaging in a video format. I may be making a bold statement, but MotorInc has created something that could give an existential crisis to podcasts. The knowledge and experience that you both have just makes this format more enjoyable. Be it 30 minutes or over an hour, I am genuinely excited to watch the videos you come up with. And, to build on that point, I would suggest a new format, where you just discuss the best ways to ride a bike (in terms of the best rev range the best gearing, etc). I have always learned how to milk the most out of a bike by riding it time and again, but listening to you makes me feel that if this information is made available, it will help many inexperienced riders enjoy their purchase much more and much faster.
Great suggestion! Thanks Kartik!
Completely agree, I was a complete noob when I bought my first bike and couldn't extract the full performance for so many years. Only after I started watching more info videos on bikes I got know how to extract the full potential of my bike and that moment felt like nirvana. So an episode of educating new riders on how to optimally ride their bikes will be such a treat
The CBR250R was without faults. Without Faults. And, I got it really early; May 2011. Again, No Faults. Been riding for 35 years, started on the Yezdi 250 CL - II. I have a Bonneville A3 now, got it in 2015, and a really old Apache 180, 2009. Both are riding good. Tempted by the Duke 250, now. And, that was a Top Notch presentation; thank you. 🙏🏼
Thank you @mathewcheruvathoor4693!
How is it 35 years if u bought it in 2011
39:30- Yes like Shumi said, we want both of their thoughts about HONDA Bikes spread over both their normal & bigwing showrooms..
Please have a conversation, video, podcast anything..
& Not only for Honda, for every other bike manufacturing company too..
We want to know your thoughts on where the manufacturers stand & how they fair as of 2024...
Yes exactly.
Suggested noted Swagat! Thanks!
Thank you guys for the video.. I love my Duke 250 of 2021. The calm nature saved me when I was transitioning from my Gixxer SF. Right now its like she reads my mind on the road and we are in sync all the time. The newer ones are even better it seems and Bravo to KTM for that..
With KTM, Triumph and others introducing powerful and lightweight bikes. Is it a wise choice to ditch the heavier RE’s for long rides? Do advice please.
Hey Arnab, both kinds of bikes have distinctly different feel and pros/cons. We'd suggest you get a test ride to get a sense of the difference in flavour and see if it suits your taste/preference
Better explained than the Austrian guys... Hell yeah 👍👍
What a comprehensive practical review.
Well done @motorinc 👍
Thank you!
Because Shumi and karthik is blend of Journalism/Motorism/DNA expresses the spontaneous delivery of the Facts . Because as shumi has the badge on his shirt , Speaking truth is the Most Powerful and Easy enough 🤝
Masterpiece from Mattighofen:
Owner of the last available batch. May 2023 KTM 250 Duke, Ebony Black.
1. Amazing suspension. 10/10 Superb would be an understatement.
2. Excellent ABS.
3. Beautiful exhaust note. Great and very reliable engine and exhaust. Brilliant electronics.
4. Top notch build quality. You see it in person and you will be blown away! (if it's a clean bike)
5. The 250 is such an amazing engine for the duality it offers. It can be super snappy / agile or very relaxed! A gem of an engine. Refined for sure. It is both a cruiser and a sports bike!
6. Great brakes. The front brake is brilliant. 9.5/10 (better pads can help!) AMAZING!
42 to 55 kmpl on highway? are those figures even true?
My friend had retrofitted his duke250(older model) with the 390s tft it works just fine
@@shyamsundar-th2ev so he put old 390s console in the new 250?
I experienced one of my longest rides in Meghalaya on a Duke 250, and absolutely fell in love with it.
The one little grouse back then was the LCD unit from the Duke 200 (Orange colored). It feels bizarre that even to this day Bajaj and KTN take the call to not give the best Duke the best screen. I would happily pay a premium for the color TFT. It is not a feature why anyone would jump from the 250 to the 390 (since they are quite different in character and capability) but it would make a big difference to the rider who is looking at it every single day!
Great video. But I am interested in the unfinished talk about the CB300R. Would you mind reviewing that?
We don't mind. But Honda's been very stingy with their test bikes so far 🤷🏽♂️
@motorinc I was just wondering if by any chance you confused the 300R with the 300F. I personally have the 300F and I'm very happy with it having done almost 22k km in 8.5 months, but I do know that there have been a lot of reviews where they mention it as a dull bike. But almost every review I've seen mentions that the 300R is an absolute pocket rocket. So would be great if you can just clarify that
Okay, i just found this channel, always been a fan of shumi regarding everything that riding encapsulates, and im so happy that yall are making such detailed videos on motorcycles, unlike our everyday cars, our interaction with motorcycles are far more intricate and a millimeter here or there might make a huge difference in how you experience a motorcycle and only an experienced rider like shumi who lives and breathes motorcycles can do it this well. So, among the sea of motovloggers and big media reviews (which feel so incomprehensive in thier rundown), this will be my only goto channel from now on. I dont even need to be in the market for a machine, how yall break it down in fun enough to watch. So Thank you guys, really appreciate it. TOP CONTENT.
This happens everytime! I'm like Karthikeya, I know that Shumi is right but still wanna be excited for Linear (Shumi Graph) Bikes which can do anything (dynamic)😊 when I demand.
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I don't have money to buy right now and am still watching anything and everything as much as possible on KTM 250 and watched this episode and what a wholesome view. I hope I will wait for some batches to pass.
Hi as you adviced that dont buy the bike from 1st batch wait till june. But lets say i have to get bike by the end of this month either 250 duke or vitpilen 250 so should i wait more or is it fine to buy one now
Dear brother Shumi u said not to hurry & wait and so I held my horse for almost a year😊. I bought this bike yesterday 21/12/24 - Duke250. It was really difficult for me to wait but yes a good machine is worth the wait. Wish me luck to enjoy this marvel machine ❤
Love from Kolkata ❤
It always gives a smile when I'm unable to put into words the sense of what the bike gives me but then Shumi comes into play and says this happened because of this, this feels like this because of this and it perfectly matches with what I have experienced when I ride a certain bike is amazing. the little things like the wheelbase is so short and the front tire is right underneath you and it feels quick(this is exactly what I felt when I rode the old Duke 250 but couldn't put it into words for how quick it can steer)
This happens to me with most of the bikes I have ridden and the sense of what it means when Shumi puts it in words. In this aspect I would love to see ur experiences and thoughts on every manufacturer (got curious when u said to leave a comment for Honda).
Glad to have you on the same page, RK!
10:30 onwards, just watch for a min, see how much shumi enjoys this bike.. !!! thats true feeling of how the bike feels. and see how much he enjoys telling us about this riding experience.
Should i go for vitpilen 250 or duke 250. Does vitpilen 250 feel like the duke 250s power ? For me saving money would be nice. Liked both the bikes.
As others have said in this thread and elsewhere, the banter, really the provocativeness of Shumi combined with the ease of Karthi, is what makes their videos work. Every creator provides knowledge. They provide information with an obnoxious aggressive personality that plays well on TH-cam. You need an aggressor and you need a calming agent. That's why people like me from a distance love watching them.
Whoa @Shumi aka Guruji...
That "Honda" truth was brutal, but bang on...
A lot of coulda woulda shoulda surrounding the Honda products still..
It's like what Singhee Sahab said, they enter the segment unsure what to deliver and whom to compete...
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@13:48 you might wanna recheck the variables. From what Shumi is saying, looks like it should be output vs effort, not the other way.
Man I never listened my class that attentively 🤷🏻♂️
What Shumi said about not going out to buy the first bike and to wait awhile is so spot on. 👍🏼Having owned 10 bikes over the last decade from the Hero Puch to the 1st gen KTM 390, have learnt to wait till companies have a good product before running to the showroom to buy one.
Planning to buy Duke 250 & was waiting for exactly this video. 😁
It's been a wonderful conversation, all of my questions have been answered especially Shumi's advice don't be in hurry & until 1st batch is cleared.
Thanks a lot.....! ❤
Thanks for waiting! And all the best!
Go For Husqvarna 250. The pillion seat is Comfortable in it.
24:00 absolutely agree with shumi and kartik and that is what i was thinking all about ever since i saw 250 and 390. Strongly feel 390’s tank shrouds are unnecessarily elongated the clean compact and sorted design of the 250 is what captivate me. 390’s engine and 250’s body would work right for me.
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take the triumph 400 than a duke 250 its about the same cost and the triumph is just smoother
some people may prefer handling and a modern look than power
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
@@sanjayyethipathi❤
Apples and Oranges, Retro vs Modern, Relaxed Ergonomics vs Sporty.
I can go on and on and on 🤦🏻♂️
@@Shreejansurya98250 is not that sporty.
I bought the 250 2 days after they released this video
watching it now just validates my purchase even more
Love every second riding it
Congratulations Omkar!
Went ahead and bought a Duke 250 after watching your video! Thank you!
This podcast is so damn perfect that I am crystal clear that this is the bike I am looking for. I recently rented the Pulsar N160 and rode it for almost 400 kms and loved the torque and its city friendliness so much that I was planning to get the N250. But after seeing this podcast, I think this KTM matches more to what I want. My life would be miserable if I got this as it is way above my budget but I believe it will be worth the misery. Will take a test ride sometime next year.
Jabse Motorinc shuru hua hai thse powerdrift nhi dekha Shumi aur Kartik bhai sab ache se smjha dete hain
Waiting to see what Husqvarna 250s can do with this chassis and engine. The current Vitpilen is a Gem (Much needed RC250 in disguise IMO) . I am Trying to get the 390's suspension to fit in on the Vitplen TOO XD.
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Svarpilen 250 owner
25,000 km done in 3 years
Brakes upgraded
Lots of weight here and there reduced
Michelin road 5 installed
Vitpilen clipons installed
I too am looking for the new 390’s suspension upgrade.
I also did some digging to get even better stopping performance.
Shall we connect and share notes ?
Booked a duke250 today, after test riding CB300R, 310R and D250.
Interestingly the showroom guys told me the quick shifter is only for upshifts, was not my top priority anyway.
All are great machines, this one just put a wider smile on me.
Thanks for sharing @yogeeswarpal! Congraulations on the Duke! We wish you a lot of awesome time on it.
Proud to be a duke 250 gen 3 owner. Thanks Shumi sir to make me even prouder.
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Which colour did u buy
@@muhammadfaheem3746 the orange and blue colour.....with black rims
Time flies while listening to you folks talk about bikes!
Being an RE owner for close to a decade, I finally let it go, because it just didn't make sense anymore in terms of reliability, performance and maintenance.
I have had my eyes on 250 ADV for a year now. This upgrade to the Duke 250 looks great.
Any chance the upgrades will be transferred to 250 ADV as well?
THANKS GUYS!! IT WAS GREAT!!
(capitalization so that Shumi can read the comment.😜)
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Kartikey summarized the bike pretty well, can't really point anything out. Solid Job!👍9/10
(Even the best of us have room for improvement.)
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And we desperately need a discussion on the Honda situation in the CB 350 First.
Great Work Everyone.👍
Ques.1 What is your take on the 250 ADV? Or the whole ADV lineup from KTM?
Can't help but wonder, that something feels off about those. Comments on that.
Hey! Please do see the MotorInc First on the KTM 390 Adventure (might be Ep 01). We did discuss in detail our worries and the opportunity for the KTM Adventure line in that.
Glad you enjoyed this episode Akaal!
I remember my first gen Duke 200. In the South Indian summer heat, riding with it in traffic during afternoons, if I was wearing a flip flop to move, I could feel my skin properly cooking. When I sold it, the kid who got it from me came back and told me it was too hot. So I opened up the manual and showed him the 136 degree engine heat mentioned as the operating temperature of the bike. That was funny.
I guess Shumi was about to talk about the mileage but then the conversation moved to another topic. So what do you think how much would be the mileage and range with the increased tank capacity??
Anyhow, I feel you guys covered everything especially for the confusion between who should be looking to get a 250 or 390. I have been thinking of upgrading from a Gixxer SF 2015 model for quite sometime, so I am always confused between a 250 and 390 but this video made it very clear for me now. Thank you.
Mileage depends on how you ride it. I get 27 or so from my 2019 250. I know people who get 33. Basically I can’t help revving it, so the mileage suffers.
It is always advisable to get a test ride of both the bikes. They are different in character and the one which resonates with you more, consider that as final.
I have changed duke gen 3 display with duke 250 Results are
1)Back tyre: abs wont work 2) Front tyre: abs works 3)MTC option not available on duke 250 4)quick shifter works Conclusion - don't install duke 390 tft display on duke 250
Neatly done as usual, I don't know why youtube doesn't recommend this on my homepage neither was I able to find the video in the channel nor the subscription part.
Now these are the small requests that I have,
1. What kind of bikes should the new riders look for, I myself haven't owned any bikes but have ridden my brother's pulsar 220f and ns200, my friends re hunter and meteor, tvs raider and splendor of course, but the confusion is what type of rider am I is still a question, I liked all bikes I've ridden, but still it's always a question, so it would be better if u guys can give an idea like buy something ride for somedays figure out change the bike😂
2. How to test ride, like what are the things we have to try while test riding the bike! It is simple but it is the key enabler of buying a bike, so what are all the aspects we should look for?
[ Oh yeah forgot to add, these summary ,keep them coming]
Solved!
Yes the color tft of the duke 390 gen 3 will fit in the duke 250 gen 3 seems lessly...
Really appreciate your effort @motorinc for this review👍, but I would really like you to compare CB300r vs 250 Duke, as they are nearly the same price and specs😅
Once we get a test bike...
CB300R, Speed 400, Apache RTR 310, Duke 250.
Your choice for city ride;
rate them out of 10.
CB - Not tested
310 - Not Tested
400 - 9/10
250 - 8.5/10
Please test cb300r and review it. Thanks in advance.
@@motorinc grrr seriously, what are you guys waiting for ? 😅 I like sam manekshaw but I waited for your review videos more eagerly than the movie. Many good bike releases in India, such exciting times and you guys are like 'yet to test' 'not tested' . Those 2 are such awesome bikes. C'monn get more excited!! Overwork for few days, can chill later. (I know easy for me to say, but you guys will have your reasons😁)
@@motorinc thank you for your quick response :)
@@motorinc When can we expect RTR 310 Openion Video...?
I think you guys should defintely get some time on the cb300r. It is a hoot. It is a very light bike, refined throughout the rev range. Properly quick, darts through traffic. Compact surprise.
Am I seeing official merch on Shumi?
Duke 250 vs Apache 310rtr would be an interesting comparison
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Shumi is right. I should've listened and waited for the later batches. I had my engine oil leak out on a 120km ride because the O-ring broke on my Scrambler 400X. Triumph replaced it under warranty, but my bike sat in the shop for a week
Triumph showroom guys be like : Thank you for buying and testing the bike
Ouch. We hope it's sorted now, Soumya?
@@motorinc Yes, thankfully 🙂
Would love to see a detailed comparison between himalayan 450 and adv 390 from you guys 😊
Can do!
@@motorinc But shouldnt we wait for the next gen 390 adv? coz it will be much more like the bigger bros
41 minutes and I'm just smiling at the way shumi explains the bike. He brings it to life so beautifully without it even being before you. I guess that's what girls feel when they read about fictional male characters.
I haven't even taken a test ride but I've made up my mind to buy it this year. Thanks shumi!
Glad we can help! Do let us know when you pull the trigger Ayaan!
A twelve minute review video is getting bore nowadays. But you two guys are delivering a full worth 40 minute video which I can't even skip a bit 😂❤ btw make a video on the Apache RTR 310 please.
Thanks for being with us!
38:47 I rode the CB300R for 15 km in a mixture of conditions and Kartikeya sums it up beautifully. Excellent city bike, doesn’t heat and is smooth but not a highway bike for sure. Feels overpriced and unreliable due to some quality issues that are still going on, unavailibilty of parts etc
1:00 everyone in KTM R&D is more or less Racist ~ Shumi
🤣 No that's not what we said
Between the updated duke 250,cb300r and rtr310 which one would be a better pick?
The only missing thing is the fuel economy.
Clicked my tongue when Karthikeya interrupted Shumi while he is about to speak on fuel economy.
Else
Everything is up to the benchmark and
I am rally enjoying your longer videos than the shorter one.
Hi.. I am having Bajaj Average Street 150 (2017). Should I upgrade to Duke 250 or 390.. for daily city commute..
Take a test ride @akshaypoundrik9908, as much as Shumi likes the 390 Duke, he's very clear that it's not for everyone. So, test riding will help you know if you like it.
@5:59 Too subtle shumi( watch out apple)😂😂
Which is best(fun to ride, faster acceleration, better in corners) bike duke 200 or duke 250 for buying plz answer ?
Even rc 200 also includes 😅 or may be fairing bike you would suggest to buy ?
I am also looking for this answer
obv 250
Is there will be a new adv 250 soon ??
Next year. Mid, probably end, Joy
Hey Shumi
Does the compression ratio makes any difference to the reliability of the engine?
It does but reliability of the engine is more related to how well it is engineered rather than the other factors because there's royal Enfield with lower compression ratio but still having unreliable engines and also most of the companies are good enough in engineering that they can make a reliable high compression ratio engines, exceptions are there for sure
You need to run XP95 fuel if its higheror equal to 12. And such engines are stressed engine so its better to wait for couple of years if the engine is new in the market, to see if there are any reliability issues and if the company has fixed them.
There is Nothing like KTM bikes... They r fun to drive make u feel alive and young.... Own Gs adventure 1250... And new 390 duke boy o boy what a machine it is... If ktm launch its proper advs i m selling it for sure .... The aderalin rush and feeling of reving ktm is far far ❤.....
Indeed!
Hello sir when it will be a safe purchase is it is safe to buy right now because I am investing my whole savings in this bike please reply sir ❤
The philosophy discussion of motorinc videos are perfect. We feel like we are included into their conversation and the discussion is having in my living room.
Glad to be there with you!
Whats better the adventure 250 or duke 250 for occasional touring?
I had gixxer 250 sf as my first bike and I think it provided me everything i needed to grasp the basics of motorcycling well.
How is it for touring, something like 250 km a day.
Now that I think about it we have had so many new bikes this year! 2023 has been great that way!
Is it a good time now to purchase the bike now? On your say to go for a second batch or third batch
Thanks @motorinc for this video. Karti's summary gets a 10/10, it was spot on. I think it's the more civilized, gentlemanly one out of the trio till you poke it and when you do so, it will roll up its sleeves and will get to business real quick. I assume the adventure variant is around the corner, which means the present changes would make it an even better option for the price it's asking. Cheers!
Can you do a video for Vitpilen 250??
Will there be a new adventure 250? The previous one had suspension issues. Will the new one be good?
End 2024 we believe
@@motorinc Hmm🤔
How are the headlights? In semi rural areas that is rather critical with very few streetlights etc. Also are the headlights fit for touring?
Duke 250 or Cb300R ? What's your pick n why ??
Please see the time-stamps. We've discussed it in this video!
Would Duke 250 be a great first bike for someone who's ridden a activa for 7 years and mostly been a manual car driver ( Ertiga) ? Do you think going for a 390 would be better due to the car experience ?
28:03 Took a 250 duke test ride today. Do you recommend to buy it now? Pretty sure this could be the second or the third lot.
Waiting till june would be wise no....?
I want to upgrade from a 3rd gen 250 Duke to a middle weight bike. I'm looking at z900, gsx 8r, zx 6r, and I can stretch to 890 Duke r and Monster.
Any suggestions?
Please do an episode for the vitpilen 250 2024 🙏🏼
Now that Vitpilen 250 is also out. We still gotta wait till May or June for second batch? Or even more?
What is your opinion on triumph speed 400 compared to Duke 250
Is it good for a adventure bike or a roadster ?
“Only the Truth”. 😊 Creases get ironed out by time . Happy goes experience.
Yes it does! ❤️
Guys, you are both spot on...One suggestion, please include ownership reviews in a sense that you can collect all the problems and niggles these bikes are having and then address them here which can help us as buyers make informed decisions as well as bike manufactures to do their best to finish those niggles ASAP.
Thanks 2x! Appreciate it!
The value proposition goes to Triumph 400 , but KTM has a different character altogether. Loved the analysis and view points
Thanks VV!
This conversation is more fun than the actual bike I feel 😂
Truer words were never said
Is there any update coming for KTM 250Adv
I have the 2024 Duke 390. It does everything, literally everything. If one can manage the extra bucks, get it. Getting it was a great decision.
Wish you awesome rides!
the 250 recently got the Colour TFT and the DRLs, and it looks fantastic in the new colour schemes.
New colours @damnbiryani69?🤔
@@motorinc the new Ebony Black
Karthik Sir's Summary 10/10 Well done. 🙌 🙌
Whats the more comfortable highway cruiser between the d250 and the speed 400 between 100-120kmph? Speeds beyond that are not that important and the primary use for the bike would be daily commute of around 50km on narrow b and village roads with little traffic