I do not believe a “ no skip album “ equals a classic. I think impact and time are the biggest factors that play a part into being a classic album. I can name albums that can be considered hard to hear but are classics because they are still talked about til this day. Hip Hop or not.
@@tropical9913 for me there’s no skips on Get Rich or Did trying but I absolutely respect that opinion. Another example for me is like Chief Keef Finally Rich some ppl hate that album but there’s no doubt it had a major impact on the trap we listen to today.
The last time asked this question I said TPAB to give it its flowers because I’ve never seen an album executed like that. Honestly it’s a hard question to answer there’s been great albums since then but CLASSSIC 🤔 very tough. Ppl say Igor but what other ppl have been impacted by that album sound wise? In fact I would say that album was impacted by The Love Below , Pharrell’s early work etc. I’m gonna really try to think about.
TLOP never really connected with me until I saw somebody describe it as a scrapbook belonging to somebody going through a turbulent & disturbing time - then it all made sense
@@DP-ix6bl it’s called a trillemma. Like a dilemma with 3. Kanye’s 3 personalities , Saint Pablo Pablo Escobar n Pablo Picasso. that’s why it says which one on the cover
I feel like many people can agree that RODEO by Travis Scott is a classic. It Was released in 2015 and till this day it’s still one of the most creative albums since then and sounded like a trap album with so much art in it. The quality and production is a lot better than most of the trap music we’ve been listening to in the recent years. Also it’s a short album that’s flows from beginning to end. Also the guy talking about “time” not playing a factor or a huge factor on what determines something to be a classic doesn’t understand that some songs or albums don’t sound the same after 5, 10 or even 20 years. They’re not as good as they were before and they don’t hit the same way as they used to when you first heard them. For instance graduation by Kanye west came out in 2007 and millions of people can play that album today (14 years) later and it’ll still hit the same and get you in a good mood or give you a nostalgia feeling.
@@NFRPodcast yes Rodeo, and I would say after that IGOR. I feel like Daytona and KSG are great albums but they’re too short which is the only flaw. Another good take would be Kings Disease by Nas but that album just came out so I’ll see how that album hits in a couple years.
@@gmartines8511 Days Before Rodeo? That’s a great mixtape probably my favorite Travis Scott project but I wouldn’t put it over Astroworld only because the impact Astroworld had and the numbers Astroworld did, the rollout Travis did for Astroworld, the tour, the merch, and just the moment itself and anticipation for Astroworld was by far the most hyped up album and will never be forgettable. Especially if you experienced Astroworld tour. But as far as creativity I do believe Travis can surpass Astroworld and he will with Utopia.
@@chrisdelgado4277 I don't think astroworld a classic I skipped alot of songs that I didn't like,there a few songs I like but that's just another over hyped album imo
Really like how you guys are talking more about Kanye, he needs a separate conversation, would be cool if y’all did like a Ye’s discography ranked video
Longevity/Legacy should be the biggest weight in this discussion. Tupac's Me Against the World, Jay Z's Reasonable Doubt, Kendrick Lamar's TPAB, Kanye West's Graduation, are just a few examples of undeniable classic albums. All have replay value in 2021 and all did something meaningful for the culture of Rap/Hip Hop.
I'd say that Pablo is a better Kanye album, but there's no denying My Beautiful Twisted Dark Fantasy is likely Kanye's biggest cultural impact on culture and the main origin point of yeezy's fashion popularity. Not to mention Kanye's insane 2nd wind that most rappers probably couldn't survive after the whole Taylor thing.
I would say Yeezus is the main origin point of fashion popularity. He wasn’t able to completely focus on fashion when he was finishing Dark Fantasy because it had to be perfect, he said numerous times he felt his career was dependent on its success. Once that happened he was able to switch to fashion in Paris hence the hotel studio sesh’s that spawned Yeezus and his fashion line.
I agree that the influence on pop culture can be a part of determining if an album becomes a classic. Astroworld was such a massive album for the culture it might be hard looking back 5years from now to not call it a classic album.
@@NFRPodcast I would have to swimming by mac miller just a classic I'm a mac miller fan nd I can say he only got like 2 albums I call classic swimming and circles other than that he really never had a album that's a classic or his mixtapes
@@gmartines8511 I enjoyed Good AM more than circles, but Swimming is by far his best album. I feel like Mac made a new lane with Swimming. It was devastating losing him after such a masterpiece
Time is important too because you’ll grow and change as a person. Music you like at 20 won’t be the same at 25, but the albums that stick with you through that time have proved that they’re worth it
Should be 7-10 years. 2018 is way too early to tell. Lyrics can age poorly, instrumentals can end up sounding overly-dated or it just doesn’t have any influence. For example, there are albums from the 2000s people were considering to be classics, but they aged more than horribly because the bling era sounds like such shit most of the time. And there were albums from the 2000s and bling era that were classic but only because we can still enjoy them now like 15 years later. I see Astroworld as becoming a classic but again many things on there could age poorly. Just depends on where rap goes musically
For me ‘classic’ is one of the most overused terms and becomes diminished as a signifier of quality for a piece of work. People use the term as a marker of excellence in terms of how an album has affected them and is attributed to their ideal listening experience. For me personally I believe there needs to be a few aspects of what can be regarded as a classic but certainly an album needs to be monitored over a period of time to see how it has stood amongst its contemporaries
Damn this debate quite heated. Love it!! I understand both sides perfectly! I'd called Astroworld a classic because it feels like it was birthed to be one quality wise. But I also agree that 5-10yrs was usually the time critics would call albums classics 👍
For me a classic has to be a minimum of 5 years to allow the album to settle. And the standout hip hop album of 2016 imo was Danny Brown’s Atrocity Exhibition
I'm actually shocked albums like Astroworld (which I love) got a mention in the comments, but no one even thought about IGOR. A lot of people don't consider it hip-hop and it is fairly recent, but imo its either already or on its way to be an undeniable classic. CMIYGL is so good but it also made me realize how mindblowing IGOR was sonically and conceptually.
@@Omairipr definitely rodeo… maybe Astroworld but we gotta give that album a couple more years. If Astroworld hits home the same way in two years then it’ll be a classic
this might be a hot take but whole lotta red is gonna be a classic. lemme explain, 10 years ago flockaveli dropped and a lot of rap fans hated the album but looking at it now this album has become so iconic and impactful. 5 years ago when young thug started to blow up with the song lifestyle and his album barter 6 a lot of people hated on him and now he's become on of the most influential and impactful rapper of the 2010s. I see this exact case with wlr people hated it at release and I can totally see the sound of wlr being the next wave of trap im really strict with what I call a classic the last album I called a classic was blonde but in the future i predict wlr is gonna be a certified classic.
I think Rodeo is the last album that was good enough, influential enough, and mainstream enough to be considered a classic and I'm not really a huge travis fan. But my personal actual classic album recently is Pinata
I feel like 2016-17 were the last years for classics rn bc I'm usually waiting 4-5 for something to be a classic so albums like Igor are probably gonna be classics in 2023-24 while albums like Flower Boy are probably classics rn bc those came out in 2017
@@NFRPodcast I really don’t, even if u just compare rollouts it seems like he was putting way more effort into astroworold, also flower boy is a classic
one classic, that's excluded in many classic lists and destroys a lot of all these albums, is get rich or die tryin by 50 Cent. What a monumental project that was! absolute Classic to me and has been released years ago. Revisit the album and be left in awe of the quality of this project.
This is the best content you’ve made period. You two were honest, had a healthy debate even if it was heated at times, and brought many many valid points to the question. Keep these types of conversations going
Recent classics imo include: Bandana, Doris/Some Rap Songs, Veteran, DAMN, any RTJ project, Innocent Country 1 & 2, Alfredo, and obviously more but these have to be in the conversation at the very least.
I’m pretty late here but I just found the channel relatively recently, and I wanted to contribute my own thoughts on this topic. In my opinion, even 5 years is too soon for a classic. This was kind of touched on, but it needs to withstand the test of time. What did it do for/to the genre over time? In what context are we talking about/listening to it in over the years? Have people had time to build a solidified opinion? Are we able to see what the album meant to an artist’s career/discography? What did it mean for the culture? What did it mean in the context of the social or political landscape when it was made? And then of course after X number of years, is the album still put in rotation? Those are just some of the questions you have to ask yourself when considering a classic. The classic label is thrown around too much lately, even a no skip album doesn’t automatically label it a classic. IMO there are only a handful of trap albums that truly belong in the classic discussion (TM101, Trap Muzik, DS2, Finally Rich). I was born in the mid 90s and have noticed the younger generations seem to throw around “classic” too much, and I feel like it’s because they haven’t really seen how the culture and music evolved to become what it is today, and what albums contributed to the evolution of the genre. I totally understand it, there have been some great albums released over the last decade but classics are few and far between. In my opinion, TPAB is the most recent classic (DS2 can be argued).
i think 2017 also was a great year thanks to ALL AMERIKKAN BADA$$. Perfect combination of really solid content and really fresh sounds. And by fresh i do not only mean great production, but the fact that even if it's a really solid hip hop album, you can still play most of its songs in the car, at the beach, in a bar and it wouldn't absolutely feel out of place. I don't think there was an album, in the last 10 years, that did this combo better than what Joey Bada$$ gave us in 2017
A proper classic often needs multiple listens in order to truly understand it's brilliance. Sometimes they dont even sound right the first couple times. Thats why the modern throwaway rap is always bumped harder than the classics but is then forgotten later. It would be interesting to listen to the radio in the late 60's and see what kind of music was dominating the airwaves, when at the same time Rock was hitting it's peak form.
Eminem - Slim Shady LP, MMLP, The Eminem Show, Lil Wayne - Carter 3 Jay Z - 4:44, American Gangster, Black Album, Blueprint 1, Lifetime Vol 1, Reasonable Doubt, OutKast - their entire discography Kendrick - his entire discography Travis Scott - Rodeo, Astroworld J. Cole - 2014 FHD, Friday Night Lights, The Warm Up, Drake - So Far Gone Mixtape, Take Care, NWTS, IYRTITL DMX - it’s dark and hell is hot, flesh of my flesh blood of my blood Biggie - his first two albums Nas - Illmatic, it was written, Tupac - me against the world, all eyez on me, 7 day theory The Weeknd - Trilogy Mixtapes, After Hours, Kiss Land (honorable mention) Mac Miller - Kids, Swimming Just some artists and albums I consider classics in my opinion
Classic album to me is impact and longevity and how I measure longevity is if it’s still either on billboard 200 or if the consensus or the replay value still triggers an emotion when you first heard it for the first time where the public not pitchfork or rolling stone but the public says so.
There was a really good point made that wasnt touched on too much. What if an album that has been out for 3 years, has had more influence than a "classic" that has been out for a decade or even more.
For 2018 in my opinion the black panther album is a classic And people have to remember, that album is a Kendrick album which plays a big part why he hasn’t dropped because he put effort into the Black panther album right after damn
Brooo you brought up Undun and I got so hype. I had it on repeat when I was younger and it dropped. It’s so good. Wow did not expect this to be brought up.
For me a classic is an album that is iconic or influential and also has great longevity. For me an album generally needs to be like a 9 or a 10 to be a classic and several years to age. I think that we have some potential classics released recently but if they don’t hold up over time then it’s worthless
Boldy James, Sterling Toles - Manger on McNichols this album is slept on. I can't call it a classic yet because it's been just a year since it came out, but the storytelling, the personal things he was talking about, the structure of the album and the production of sterling toles work all together to create a masterpiece
Yeah. For right now. My vote for classic even though I’m agreeing with the 5 year mark. But if it were the three year mark would definitely be swimming. But as for the 5 year mark. I’m going with The Life of Pablo. Classic. Masterpiece.
Friday Night Lights is still Coles best work IMO, better than Off Season by a landslide. I think the most recent album that could be considered a classic is DAMN. Nothing else has grabbed my attention like that since. Great video!
I think Tana Talk 3 by Benny is a classic. It might not be his most popular but it is the perfect foundation that I can know will stand the test of time. It also got me interested in Griselda and they now are some of the most influential rappers over the span of these last few years.
my take on a classic is something that i will still listen to and be able to relate too years from now. saba care for me is a classic igor, and flower boy, is a classic IDLSIDGO by earl is a classic im sure theres more but i cant think off the top of my head rn.
Kids See Ghosts is the most underrated Kanye album, but I guess you can’t really call it a Kanye album any more than a Cudi album. People always tend to put it at the bottom of yes discography for whatever reason, but I’d argue it’s closer to the top than anything. Yeah, I can see why you may not think it’s a top 3, but I’ve always found it to be at least a top 5.
imo a classic album is a album that is timeless, iconic, and impactful. I am really strict with what i call a classic but these are albums from the 2010s i think are classics, To pimp a butterfly, Blond, The Money Store, and Minecraft soundtrack volume alpha. Blond and TPAB are certified classics no debate and The Money Store and Minecraft Volume alpha are a bit more unpopular picks but they imo are 100% a classic but i can totally see albums like Plastic Beach Take Care Good kid, maad city and my beautiful dark twisted fantasy being a part of this list. If i had to predict a album that is going to be a classic in the future really hot take but the one with the best chance of being a classic in the future is whole lotta red.
my favourite album that no one has topped yet is kids see ghosts but i think its too early to say if is or not. also id like to throw wlr in the conversation although it has his flaws i think it was so polarizing and so inovating that i think it deserves its place in the conversation. great pod guys
Would love to hear y’all’s ranking of ye’s albums. Pablo is my second favorite and I’m my opinion his most sonically expansive album. Pablo is better than dark fantasy IMO. People sleep on the album YE too. Yikes, Ghost Town, and violent crimes are top tier.
It’s not rap though, maybe you could say hip-hop/rnb, but to me it’s just alt rnb. This is literally what Tyler was mad about at the Grammy’s, his album didn’t even have enough rap to be in the category yet they put him in there
So many people throw around “classic” so much in eyes that title is for a select few albums that are peak of all the elements being put together and can be enjoyed in any era.
I believe that time is the main factor of making a classic album a classic. You have to see how it ages through a decade ( in my opinion ) to see if it's still influential and legendary as it was in the beginning
To me the most recent album with classic potential is WLR. Simply because of how out of the box it was. You would’ve never expected that for a trap album. And look at all the mainstream and even underground artists are using that sort of rage sound not even a year after its release. WLR definitely had potential to be a trap classic
I think there's a sort of temperature you can feel once an album releases that can lead you to fairly call it an instant classic (TPAB, Not like us). Having a time frame is arbitrary, but makes sense to sort of filter out what counts as a classic or not. But yeah settling on 3 or 5 is in the end arbitrary
Great discussion but I feel luka’s criteria for a classic was too restrictive. An album that falls out of favor from years 3-5 years can do the same in years 5-7, 7-9 and so on. I can’t see any reason why 5 is the magic number for an album. Personally I would say an album has to be around long enough for most artists to be able to drop their own albums and show its influence. So however long that takes is the time length in my opinion but I’m not going to grapple over the numbers if someone thinks a relatively recent album is a classic.
My answer has to be We Got It From Here... Thank You 4 Your Service by A Tribe Called Quest. It’s an awesome send-off to one of the greatest groups in hip-hop history, especially with it coming out not long after Phife Dawg’s death. Q-Tip’s production is on point, and basically what you’d expect a modern version of The Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders to sound like, which is fitting since the album is essentially the old guard coming back to pass the torch to a new generation. It’s really cool to hear ATCQ collaborate with new greats like Kendrick and Anderson .Paak, and of course if you’re a rap fan, you’ll understand the importance of hearing them team up with André 3000 and Kanye, who were both heavily inspired by Tribe, as well as Busta Rhymes who’s been a frequent collaborator for decades. One of my favorite albums. I could write about it all day lol. For me, it’s easily a classic even if it hasn’t been 5 years yet
Great video with good analysis Life of pablo last classic, also can’t see the off season being anywhere near a classic, it’s not got the long jeopardy IMO
I think the focus on the number of years is pretty arbitrary. I think, it's fair to call Astroworld a classic due to its impact, reach, and innovative sound. I think the 5 year thing is a good rule of thumb, but there are definitely exceptions to the rule.
I think this new Kanye album is my most anticipated album in a while for a couple of reasons. One him and Kim just separated so I want to see his take on that. Two he just made his worst/interesting album with Jesus is king and I need to see if he’s gonna take that sound and keep going with it. And lastly he’s one of the most successful/rich rappers of all time at this moment and he’s at peak with so much baggage that it crazy not to think this new album won’t be at least interesting. I think Kanye can be responsible for pushing the genre again for one last time before he goes or before rap finally phases out of the like light
interesting that Igor wasn't mentioned as a classic. Honestly no one can sit here say that there is a miss on the album, that album isn't already iconic, and changed so much for the culture. I mean it does need plenty of time to age into a classic, but it should be discussed as a future classic. Loved the video as normal guys keep up the good work one of you're better videos.
Astroworld is undoubtedly a classic. No skips, huge cultural impact. EVERYONE knows what astroworld is, who it’s by, and the experience that you get while listening.
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Supreme Clientele, The Infamous, should've been mentioned right away... these dudes opinions went right out the window for me.
I do not believe a “ no skip album “ equals a classic. I think impact and time are the biggest factors that play a part into being a classic album. I can name albums that can be considered hard to hear but are classics because they are still talked about til this day. Hip Hop or not.
Get Rich Or Die Tryin' for example. Had like 4 or 5 skips but is undeniably a classic.
@@tropical9913 for me there’s no skips on Get Rich or Did trying but I absolutely respect that opinion. Another example for me is like Chief Keef Finally Rich some ppl hate that album but there’s no doubt it had a major impact on the trap we listen to today.
What’s the last classic album to have dropped?
@@NFRPodcast I’d say Igor, but whole lotta red is on the pace to aging as a classic tbh
The last time asked this question I said TPAB to give it its flowers because I’ve never seen an album executed like that. Honestly it’s a hard question to answer there’s been great albums since then but CLASSSIC 🤔 very tough. Ppl say Igor but what other ppl have been impacted by that album sound wise? In fact I would say that album was impacted by The Love Below , Pharrell’s early work etc. I’m gonna really try to think about.
The life of Pablo is art you can’t own but only obtain with knowledge
Fantastic album
TLOP never really connected with me until I saw somebody describe it as a scrapbook belonging to somebody going through a turbulent & disturbing time - then it all made sense
@@DP-ix6bl That album is a complete and utter mess and it's beautiful.
@@DP-ix6bl it’s called a trillemma. Like a dilemma with 3. Kanye’s 3 personalities , Saint Pablo Pablo Escobar n Pablo Picasso. that’s why it says which one on the cover
@@DP-ix6bl I like ur breakdown too lol
Y’all showed some strong emotions here,good debate....I agree 5 years minimum for a classic
Same
Yeah it’s not always easy to see if an album is timeless after 3 years. After 5 years you have a much better idea imo
Yeah we need to give these albums time to age! What’s your last classic album?👇
@@denzeICurry69 facts
@@NFRPodcast Life Of Pablo
people need to differentiate amazing albums, cult classics, and classics. classics arent as common as most fans think
Facts
I think people today deem a cult classic as just a “classic” and I’m guilty of it tbh but I get you fr
Definitely agree!
I feel like many people can agree that RODEO by Travis Scott is a classic. It Was released in 2015 and till this day it’s still one of the most creative albums since then and sounded like a trap album with so much art in it. The quality and production is a lot better than most of the trap music we’ve been listening to in the recent years. Also it’s a short album that’s flows from beginning to end.
Also the guy talking about “time” not playing a factor or a huge factor on what determines something to be a classic doesn’t understand that some songs or albums don’t sound the same after 5, 10 or even 20 years. They’re not as good as they were before and they don’t hit the same way as they used to when you first heard them. For instance graduation by Kanye west came out in 2007 and millions of people can play that album today (14 years) later and it’ll still hit the same and get you in a good mood or give you a nostalgia feeling.
Appreciate the insight Chris, is Rodeo the most recent classic album we got?
@@NFRPodcast yes Rodeo, and I would say after that IGOR. I feel like Daytona and KSG are great albums but they’re too short which is the only flaw. Another good take would be Kings Disease by Nas but that album just came out so I’ll see how that album hits in a couple years.
rodeo a classic but astroworld to me wasn't, even before rodeo mixtape was a bit better than astroworld
@@gmartines8511 Days Before Rodeo?
That’s a great mixtape probably my favorite Travis Scott project but I wouldn’t put it over Astroworld only because the impact Astroworld had and the numbers Astroworld did, the rollout Travis did for Astroworld, the tour, the merch, and just the moment itself and anticipation for Astroworld was by far the most hyped up album and will never be forgettable. Especially if you experienced Astroworld tour. But as far as creativity I do believe Travis can surpass Astroworld and he will with Utopia.
@@chrisdelgado4277 I don't think astroworld a classic I skipped alot of songs that I didn't like,there a few songs I like but that's just another over hyped album imo
Really like how you guys are talking more about Kanye, he needs a separate conversation, would be cool if y’all did like a Ye’s discography ranked video
That will come out at some point in the future!
Longevity/Legacy should be the biggest weight in this discussion. Tupac's Me Against the World, Jay Z's Reasonable Doubt, Kendrick Lamar's TPAB, Kanye West's Graduation, are just a few examples of undeniable classic albums. All have replay value in 2021 and all did something meaningful for the culture of Rap/Hip Hop.
I'd say that Pablo is a better Kanye album, but there's no denying My Beautiful Twisted Dark Fantasy is likely Kanye's biggest cultural impact on culture and the main origin point of yeezy's fashion popularity. Not to mention Kanye's insane 2nd wind that most rappers probably couldn't survive after the whole Taylor thing.
What’s your take on Yeezus?
I would say Yeezus is the main origin point of fashion popularity. He wasn’t able to completely focus on fashion when he was finishing Dark Fantasy because it had to be perfect, he said numerous times he felt his career was dependent on its success. Once that happened he was able to switch to fashion in Paris hence the hotel studio sesh’s that spawned Yeezus and his fashion line.
Travis will do the same with utopia after the astroworld tragedy
Yeezus is my favorite kanye album and i think its a classic
@@swimsvg1855 To me it's Kanye's last 10/10 masterpiece, definitely a classic!🤟🏾
I agree that the influence on pop culture can be a part of determining if an album becomes a classic. Astroworld was such a massive album for the culture it might be hard looking back 5years from now to not call it a classic album.
Best album of 2018 for you?
@@NFRPodcast Kids see ghosts but it’s a stacked year for sure. Multiple classics from this year coming up imo.
I don't think astroworld is a classic it's just an over hyped album not like rodeos what I consider a classic
@@NFRPodcast I would have to swimming by mac miller just a classic I'm a mac miller fan nd I can say he only got like 2 albums I call classic swimming and circles other than that he really never had a album that's a classic or his mixtapes
@@gmartines8511 I enjoyed Good AM more than circles, but Swimming is by far his best album. I feel like Mac made a new lane with Swimming. It was devastating losing him after such a masterpiece
Time is important too because you’ll grow and change as a person. Music you like at 20 won’t be the same at 25, but the albums that stick with you through that time have proved that they’re worth it
Should be 7-10 years. 2018 is way too early to tell. Lyrics can age poorly, instrumentals can end up sounding overly-dated or it just doesn’t have any influence. For example, there are albums from the 2000s people were considering to be classics, but they aged more than horribly because the bling era sounds like such shit most of the time. And there were albums from the 2000s and bling era that were classic but only because we can still enjoy them now like 15 years later. I see Astroworld as becoming a classic but again many things on there could age poorly. Just depends on where rap goes musically
So what’s the last classic in your opinion?
@@NFRPodcast the life of pablo, igor, maybe ksg
@@nish8399 Igor isn't a rap album but its top 15 albums from last decade and also the best album from 2019
@@NFRPodcast prolly TBAB even if it is so recent imo. Album just says so much
@@jbeatsa2 people are forgetting about atrocity exhibition
Nothing is ever close to it in terms of his unicity
*In my opinon* Gibbs, Pusha, Kanye, Earl, Pusha, Tyler and Westside Gunn have all released classic hip-hop albums in the last 5 years
Dont forget Pusha
@@seandoyle5083 I didnt
@@BradVOT you said his name twice lol also you forgot guys like danny
@@NoName-yy3wb and Pusha
Nas did it twice in 1 year
For me ‘classic’ is one of the most overused terms and becomes diminished as a signifier of quality for a piece of work. People use the term as a marker of excellence in terms of how an album has affected them and is attributed to their ideal listening experience. For me personally I believe there needs to be a few aspects of what can be regarded as a classic but certainly an album needs to be monitored over a period of time to see how it has stood amongst its contemporaries
Damn this debate quite heated. Love it!! I understand both sides perfectly! I'd called Astroworld a classic because it feels like it was birthed to be one quality wise. But I also agree that 5-10yrs was usually the time critics would call albums classics 👍
Much love my guy!
For me a classic has to be a minimum of 5 years to allow the album to settle. And the standout hip hop album of 2016 imo was Danny Brown’s Atrocity Exhibition
What's with the life of pablo?
@@ernesto.carloz I like TLOP but I think Atrocity Exhibition is better and I don’t think it’s close
I'm actually shocked albums like Astroworld (which I love) got a mention in the comments, but no one even thought about IGOR.
A lot of people don't consider it hip-hop and it is fairly recent, but imo its either already or on its way to be an undeniable classic. CMIYGL is so good but it also made me realize how mindblowing IGOR was sonically and conceptually.
The most popular album in this comment section is IGOR😂 understandably so, it's a great album but too early to give it that title
@@NFRPodcast lmao I just didn't see any I guess, saw a lot of Travis, Kanye and Kendrick though
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING DISCUSSIONS I'VE EVER SEEN
I’d probably say MBDTF and GKMC. But in a few years I might maybe even throw in Astroworld
rodeo???
@@Omairipr definitely rodeo… maybe Astroworld but we gotta give that album a couple more years. If Astroworld hits home the same way in two years then it’ll be a classic
this might be a hot take but whole lotta red is gonna be a classic. lemme explain, 10 years ago flockaveli dropped and a lot of rap fans hated the album but looking at it now this album has become so iconic and impactful. 5 years ago when young thug started to blow up with the song lifestyle and his album barter 6 a lot of people hated on him and now he's become on of the most influential and impactful rapper of the 2010s. I see this exact case with wlr people hated it at release and I can totally see the sound of wlr being the next wave of trap im really strict with what I call a classic the last album I called a classic was blonde but in the future i predict wlr is gonna be a certified classic.
Nice choices!
@@aryantyagi2137 carti is not that guy
I think Rodeo is the last album that was good enough, influential enough, and mainstream enough to be considered a classic and I'm not really a huge travis fan. But my personal actual classic album recently is Pinata
I feel like 2016-17 were the last years for classics rn bc I'm usually waiting 4-5 for something to be a classic so albums like Igor are probably gonna be classics in 2023-24 while albums like Flower Boy are probably classics rn bc those came out in 2017
Igor is amazing from start to finish, definitely will age as a classic
I feel like Oxnard was exactly that, the album cover, the sound, the features, his style is just that classic Anderson paak sound
Oxnard was absolutely amazing
I’m on for 3 years, I’m comfortable calling Astroworld a classic
Same man
Do you think he’ll top Astroworld with Utopia?
@@NFRPodcastPersonally i think it’s 50/50 that travis tops astroworld with utopia, but it will definitely bring something new to the game.
@@NFRPodcast I really don’t, even if u just compare rollouts it seems like he was putting way more effort into astroworold, also flower boy is a classic
Trap is this generations bling rap.
one classic, that's excluded in many classic lists and destroys a lot of all these albums, is get rich or die tryin by 50 Cent. What a monumental project that was! absolute Classic to me and has been released years ago. Revisit the album and be left in awe of the quality of this project.
That album was a game changer for sure.
Kids See Ghosts is definitely a classic. That is one of the best collab hip-hop albums we’ve ever gotten. I have WTT & KSG as Top 2‼️
Agreed. 4th Dimension is the absolute crown jewel on that fantastic album.
If we talk about collaborative albums, the we need to talk about Madlib: Madvillain & Piñata
Born in the early 2000s my classics (my some of many) ;
Get Rich Or Die Tryin’ , The Marshall Mathers LP, The College Dropout, Tha Carter III .
This is the best content you’ve made period. You two were honest, had a healthy debate even if it was heated at times, and brought many many valid points to the question. Keep these types of conversations going
Thank you Mr. Peter Pan🙏
Recent classics imo include:
Bandana,
Doris/Some Rap Songs,
Veteran,
DAMN,
any RTJ project,
Innocent Country 1 & 2,
Alfredo,
and obviously more but these have to be in the conversation at the very least.
taboo? those r great tho
100% taboo
IGOR?
The Lost Boy Cordae
It's been a while since Doris came out but I'd replace IDLSIDGO with it instead anyways.
I’m pretty late here but I just found the channel relatively recently, and I wanted to contribute my own thoughts on this topic. In my opinion, even 5 years is too soon for a classic. This was kind of touched on, but it needs to withstand the test of time. What did it do for/to the genre over time? In what context are we talking about/listening to it in over the years? Have people had time to build a solidified opinion? Are we able to see what the album meant to an artist’s career/discography? What did it mean for the culture? What did it mean in the context of the social or political landscape when it was made? And then of course after X number of years, is the album still put in rotation? Those are just some of the questions you have to ask yourself when considering a classic.
The classic label is thrown around too much lately, even a no skip album doesn’t automatically label it a classic. IMO there are only a handful of trap albums that truly belong in the classic discussion (TM101, Trap Muzik, DS2, Finally Rich). I was born in the mid 90s and have noticed the younger generations seem to throw around “classic” too much, and I feel like it’s because they haven’t really seen how the culture and music evolved to become what it is today, and what albums contributed to the evolution of the genre. I totally understand it, there have been some great albums released over the last decade but classics are few and far between. In my opinion, TPAB is the most recent classic (DS2 can be argued).
i think 2017 also was a great year thanks to ALL AMERIKKAN BADA$$. Perfect combination of really solid content and really fresh sounds. And by fresh i do not only mean great production, but the fact that even if it's a really solid hip hop album, you can still play most of its songs in the car, at the beach, in a bar and it wouldn't absolutely feel out of place.
I don't think there was an album, in the last 10 years, that did this combo better than what Joey Bada$$ gave us in 2017
Hell ya
Great conversation! You guys are true hip hop geeks and I love it
KSG, TA13OO, Flower Boy, Swimming are on there way to classics.
Cilvia Demo, TPAB, Under Pressure, GKMC, Acid Rap are all classics now imo
I’m glad this channel is starting to get the attention it deserves✌️.
Thanks Thomas the growth has been beautiful🙏
I feel that Travis’ Rodeo is last classic album we got. It’s fresh, unique and has insane replay value...
I appreciate the comment, but there are at least 3 skips on the album
Rodeo definitely a classic
@@KingYanoFPS 3 skips at most and classic doesn't need to be "no skip" (Ready To Die, TPAB, ATLiens, MBDTF, Straight Outta Compton, Aquemini etc.)
Rodeo's def a classic but there's classics in 2016 like Coloring Book, Life Of Pablo and more that can be classified as classics
@@axelhill8966 what the hell are you skipping on TPAB lmao that album is flawless
A proper classic often needs multiple listens in order to truly understand it's brilliance. Sometimes they dont even sound right the first couple times. Thats why the modern throwaway rap is always bumped harder than the classics but is then forgotten later.
It would be interesting to listen to the radio in the late 60's and see what kind of music was dominating the airwaves, when at the same time Rock was hitting it's peak form.
AstroWorld and it hasn’t even been 5 years but we all know it’s a classic for sure!
Is it Travis’ best for you?
NFR Podcast I definitely think it is his most flawless project start to finish, you could also make the case that rodeo is a classic too!
Even though it's not a classic per say, people sleep on BITTSM, That alhum was 🔥
3 years at least, 2018 had some crazy albums, drogas wav, kids see ghosts, astroworld. Nice video!
Eminem - Slim Shady LP, MMLP, The Eminem Show,
Lil Wayne - Carter 3
Jay Z - 4:44, American Gangster, Black Album, Blueprint 1, Lifetime Vol 1, Reasonable Doubt,
OutKast - their entire discography
Kendrick - his entire discography
Travis Scott - Rodeo, Astroworld
J. Cole - 2014 FHD, Friday Night Lights, The Warm Up,
Drake - So Far Gone Mixtape, Take Care, NWTS, IYRTITL
DMX - it’s dark and hell is hot, flesh of my flesh blood of my blood
Biggie - his first two albums
Nas - Illmatic, it was written,
Tupac - me against the world, all eyez on me, 7 day theory
The Weeknd - Trilogy Mixtapes, After Hours, Kiss Land (honorable mention)
Mac Miller - Kids, Swimming
Just some artists and albums I consider classics in my opinion
good take
Just randomly found this - I am glad that I did. Very thoughtful and interesting commentary!
Thank you Dan. We got many more videos just like this🙏
Classic album to me is impact and longevity and how I measure longevity is if it’s still either on billboard 200 or if the consensus or the replay value still triggers an emotion when you first heard it for the first time where the public not pitchfork or rolling stone but the public says so.
By that argument GKMC has got to be a classic!
nah you can def tell my boy Luca is passionate about this classic album talk I love it. real hip hop shit
There was a really good point made that wasnt touched on too much. What if an album that has been out for 3 years, has had more influence than a "classic" that has been out for a decade or even more.
That’s what I’m saying
Is it then a becoming classic? Or is it just a album that had a bigger influence?
It’s so clear that you both really love and appreciate bandana can we get a review and breakdown of bandana I’m sure everyone would love to see it!!
Awesome idea!
For 2018 in my opinion the black panther album is a classic And people have to remember, that album is a Kendrick album which plays a big part why he hasn’t dropped because he put effort into the Black panther album right after damn
So true.
Brooo you brought up Undun and I got so hype. I had it on repeat when I was younger and it dropped. It’s so good. Wow did not expect this to be brought up.
For me a classic is an album that is iconic or influential and also has great longevity. For me an album generally needs to be like a 9 or a 10 to be a classic and several years to age. I think that we have some potential classics released recently but if they don’t hold up over time then it’s worthless
this podcast is really good, just look at all the classic episodes
Boldy James, Sterling Toles - Manger on McNichols this album is slept on. I can't call it a classic yet because it's been just a year since it came out, but the storytelling, the personal things he was talking about, the structure of the album and the production of sterling toles work all together to create a masterpiece
To Pimp A Butterfly is the last classic
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Atrocity Exhibition
L, DAMN. And GKMC are better
@@JonnyC7403 ^same dude that said Astroworld is a classic 💀. Your opinion is no longer valid lmao
Yeah. For right now. My vote for classic even though I’m agreeing with the 5 year mark. But if it were the three year mark would definitely be swimming. But as for the 5 year mark. I’m going with The Life of Pablo. Classic. Masterpiece.
Victory Lap is a for sure classic. Been bumpin that shit everyday since its release.
Victory Lap is amazing and of the best debut albums in recent memory
I feel like it's not just like jay rock album it's almost a classic,
but the marathon is a legit classic
Friday Night Lights is still Coles best work IMO, better than Off Season by a landslide. I think the most recent album that could be considered a classic is DAMN. Nothing else has grabbed my attention like that since. Great video!
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@@Matt.Savage lmao
I think Tana Talk 3 by Benny is a classic. It might not be his most popular but it is the perfect foundation that I can know will stand the test of time. It also got me interested in Griselda and they now are some of the most influential rappers over the span of these last few years.
The most recent classic is DAMN.
I love the videos where both of you guys can't agree with each other, nice conversation
Yeah it's always fun to get into heated debates😂
my take on a classic is something that i will still listen to and be able to relate too years from now.
saba care for me is a classic
igor, and flower boy, is a classic
IDLSIDGO by earl is a classic
im sure theres more but i cant think off the top of my head rn.
These are great picks Troy!
Kids See Ghosts is the most underrated Kanye album, but I guess you can’t really call it a Kanye album any more than a Cudi album. People always tend to put it at the bottom of yes discography for whatever reason, but I’d argue it’s closer to the top than anything. Yeah,
I can see why you may not think it’s a top 3, but I’ve always found it to be at least a top 5.
imo a classic album is a album that is timeless, iconic, and impactful. I am really strict with what i call a classic but these are albums from the 2010s i think are classics, To pimp a butterfly, Blond, The Money Store, and Minecraft soundtrack volume alpha. Blond and TPAB are certified classics no debate and The Money Store and Minecraft Volume alpha are a bit more unpopular picks but they imo are 100% a classic but i can totally see albums like Plastic Beach Take Care Good kid, maad city and my beautiful dark twisted fantasy being a part of this list. If i had to predict a album that is going to be a classic in the future really hot take but the one with the best chance of being a classic in the future is whole lotta red.
I don't think Blond is a classic its a near classic but no I would say Channel Orange is a classic but my opinion.
my favourite album that no one has topped yet is kids see ghosts but i think its too early to say if is or not. also id like to throw wlr in the conversation although it has his flaws i think it was so polarizing and so inovating that i think it deserves its place in the conversation. great pod guys
Would love to hear y’all’s ranking of ye’s albums. Pablo is my second favorite and I’m my opinion his most sonically expansive album. Pablo is better than dark fantasy IMO. People sleep on the album YE too. Yikes, Ghost Town, and violent crimes are top tier.
People definitely sleep on Ye, maybe his most vulnerable album... we'll get to our Kanye discography ranking at some point👀
Ghost town and violenct crimes are insane good
Swimming most def a classic in my world! Supreme Blientele, Daytona and KSG as well as the latest classic albums.
Igor is a Classic already IMO
It’s not rap though, maybe you could say hip-hop/rnb, but to me it’s just alt rnb. This is literally what Tyler was mad about at the Grammy’s, his album didn’t even have enough rap to be in the category yet they put him in there
@@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx id call it hip hop
So many people throw around “classic” so much in eyes that title is for a select few albums that are peak of all the elements being put together and can be enjoyed in any era.
Great debate 🥂
Thank you Akash
I believe that time is the main factor of making a classic album a classic. You have to see how it ages through a decade ( in my opinion ) to see if it's still influential and legendary as it was in the beginning
To me the most recent album with classic potential is WLR. Simply because of how out of the box it was. You would’ve never expected that for a trap album. And look at all the mainstream and even underground artists are using that sort of rage sound not even a year after its release. WLR definitely had potential to be a trap classic
Definitely seems to be inspiring other artists, not really a fan of the album even 6 months after our review😂
no, there's too many songs that are mid or just bad, i love wlr but there's like 10/24 songs that actually have any replay value at all
@@yustinauong4426 10/24? Only ones I don’t listen to are teen x and feel like dying. It’s a 22/24 albums for me
3 GOOD music albums in the thumbnail 🐐
I feel that Alfredo by Freddie Gibbs & The Alchemist is an album that in the future it’ll be a classic.
Nice choice Riccardo, I agree that Alfredo has classic potential!
Fro me the most recent classic albums :
Bandana
Daytona
Igor
Alfredo
Astroworld
Pray for Paris
DAMN
2014 Forest Hills Drive was the last classic album for me
This the comment I was looking for
I think there's a sort of temperature you can feel once an album releases that can lead you to fairly call it an instant classic (TPAB, Not like us). Having a time frame is arbitrary, but makes sense to sort of filter out what counts as a classic or not. But yeah settling on 3 or 5 is in the end arbitrary
Before I watch the video, I think that to pimp a butterfly is definitely a certified classic
Instant classic if anything
Undeniable. NO ONE WAS MAKING A WAVE IN HIP HOP THAN AND KENDRICK CAME AND JUST BLEW OUR MINDS SONICALLY
Agreed.
Really interesting topic. Keep up the good work.
Goodbye and good riddance by juice wrld. I think that album has no skips and how many people it helped . It’s just a great album
A lot of people were touched by that album!
Great discussion but I feel luka’s criteria for a classic was too restrictive. An album that falls out of favor from years 3-5 years can do the same in years 5-7, 7-9 and so on. I can’t see any reason why 5 is the magic number for an album. Personally I would say an album has to be around long enough for most artists to be able to drop their own albums and show its influence. So however long that takes is the time length in my opinion but I’m not going to grapple over the numbers if someone thinks a relatively recent album is a classic.
5 years AT LEAST. 10-15 Years should be a good measurement. TIME IS THE BEST PERSPECTIVE
This was a great video, keep up the entertaining stuff boys!
Thank you for the love!
Outkast appreciation is cool but southern playalistic is just as classic as Atliens and Aquemini and def more so then stankonia
My answer has to be We Got It From Here... Thank You 4 Your Service by A Tribe Called Quest. It’s an awesome send-off to one of the greatest groups in hip-hop history, especially with it coming out not long after Phife Dawg’s death. Q-Tip’s production is on point, and basically what you’d expect a modern version of The Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders to sound like, which is fitting since the album is essentially the old guard coming back to pass the torch to a new generation. It’s really cool to hear ATCQ collaborate with new greats like Kendrick and Anderson .Paak, and of course if you’re a rap fan, you’ll understand the importance of hearing them team up with André 3000 and Kanye, who were both heavily inspired by Tribe, as well as Busta Rhymes who’s been a frequent collaborator for decades. One of my favorite albums. I could write about it all day lol. For me, it’s easily a classic even if it hasn’t been 5 years yet
Very underrated !
Classic album without a doubt!
Igor for me but idk if that counts exactly as full-on rap
great video guys! they keep getting better!
Thank you for the love Chaz!
TPAB is the last for me everything else feels too soon. I need at least 5 years maybe 10 to see how the album ages.
Great video with good analysis
Life of pablo last classic, also can’t see the off season being anywhere near a classic, it’s not got the long jeopardy IMO
I think the focus on the number of years is pretty arbitrary. I think, it's fair to call Astroworld a classic due to its impact, reach, and innovative sound. I think the 5 year thing is a good rule of thumb, but there are definitely exceptions to the rule.
Astroworld is a good exception to have!
These boys are rolling on that adoral or are seriously excited for this convo. I just can’t get this into a Convo without it
I usually take 3 years before I call an Album/Mixtape a classic
I would go between 5 and 10 but that's understandable
I think Atrocity Exhibition and We got it from here, also Westside Gunn's FLYGOD
How about a video about the most exciting young rappers right now
Would really love to hear your thoughts on sofaygo
Interesting idea👀
I think this new Kanye album is my most anticipated album in a while for a couple of reasons. One him and Kim just separated so I want to see his take on that. Two he just made his worst/interesting album with Jesus is king and I need to see if he’s gonna take that sound and keep going with it. And lastly he’s one of the most successful/rich rappers of all time at this moment and he’s at peak with so much baggage that it crazy not to think this new album won’t be at least interesting. I think Kanye can be responsible for pushing the genre again for one last time before he goes or before rap finally phases out of the like light
Astroworld still banging in 2021
Facts
Big facts
you should 100% do a video on kanyes discography, it always brings an interesting discussion
Yes anoba we're definitely doing that at some point so stay tuned👀
interesting that Igor wasn't mentioned as a classic. Honestly no one can sit here say that there is a miss on the album, that album isn't already iconic, and changed so much for the culture. I mean it does need plenty of time to age into a classic, but it should be discussed as a future classic. Loved the video as normal guys keep up the good work one of you're better videos.
Thank you Monglet, Igor will probably end up ageing as a classic but it's too early to give it that title just yet!
Great video guys amazing content.
As always we appreciate you P.B much love!
Daytona is probably my only classic from the last 5 years
Acid Rap is an album I can go back to at anytime and listen through it's entirety.
Astroworld is undoubtedly a classic. No skips, huge cultural impact. EVERYONE knows what astroworld is, who it’s by, and the experience that you get while listening.
Is not a classic,It had major hits but nah
no, rodeo ds2 and finally rich are the only classic trap albums to me
@@BM-hc4sd nah it's a classic no doubt.
Mad respect for mentioning Undun by The Roots. Amazing album
One of my favorite concept albums ever! Best of 2011 for you?
@@NFRPodcast Such a hard question lol its between Section 80, take care, Undun, Camp, and watch the throne.
Culture was a classic
Agree that it will be seen as a classic album
Close, but no cigar
Another solid episode 🔥🔥❤️🔥
Thank you❤️
circles 🌸
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Supreme Clientele, The Infamous, should've been mentioned right away... these dudes opinions went right out the window for me.