gonna start watching the video so ill make an edited message after but from thumbnail and videos that talk about north vs south in general is not great when they never really talk about the fact that there is plenty of areas down south that is exactly like up north, the only difference being is the neighbourhood next to yours is super rich meaning the avg gdp or the wealth is much more higher than it really is if you look at pure stats
(forgot to add from the last paragraph) me being from the south and nearly all houses in my area being council housing so its low income with a few rich people, most people live in tower blocks its only the very wealthy or middle class (who moves out soon after) that live in these types of housing where its posh, look at the ONS most people outside of places like inner london own their home and inner london areas are like 70-90% council estates/blocks or non-fully owned housing some benefits is the transport but even that is packed to the brim with not enough buses running the management seems bad in general
Newly qualified train drivers can only drive on southern lines for 5 years before they are allowed onto the older rail systems further north, that shows the lack of development in one swoop
London is a financial stronghold for the rich and powerful. So much of our countries wealth pools in that city and quietly fills the pockets of oligarchs, board executives, friends of MPs, and "heads of industry".
and all of which are completely safe since they picked the right country... as if the english would ever even try to get their thumbs out off their collective ass's and act.
I lived and grew up in London, moved up to Manchester for 3.5 years after university. What I can tell you - southerners don’t think about the north or northerners. But northerners can’t stop thinking about southerners. I had northerners thinking everyone in London is millionaires, which is just funny
@@kamakaziozzie3038 don’t know, we can’t afford them 😂 end of the day, I’m paying £1,400 for a flat without bills. Hence why I’m moving to Scotland soon
I dont ever see the government ever investing besides the bare minimum. HS2 was a sign of that. They just said "good enough" and gave up on half of it. It's been the same old shit since I made the mistake of becoming aware of politics when I was 10.
It makes me so angry that the North is disregarded and marginalized in this way. I studied in Newcastle for a year as a guest student and just fell in love with the North. These places deserve so much better.
If you think the way the North is treated is bad, how do you think us in the Midlands feel? Apparently we don't even exist and we just get labelled as Northern or Southern depending on who you ask, despite the fact we have our own history/culture and pretty much powered the country for decades. Hell, there are many places in the Midlands that a far more economically deprived than anywhere in the North.
Too bloody right. The west midlands conurbation is as big as London. Once you've seen some paintings, and some antique plates and spoons, there is nothing to do in Birmingham apart from shop or drink. The idea of a cultural weekend in Brum is a joke, and it's Britain's second city.
It's always a North South conversation but the South West gets the same treatment as the North. It's basically London + 70 mile radius vs the rest of England.
i live in one of these old "coal mining" towns and there's literally nothing to do. crime is rampant because we STILL don't have jobs even 50 years later, councils are corrupt as hell and we barely get any funding compared to southern towns
absolutely agree. i live in a town called peterlee, surrounded by colliery villages: horden, easington, shotton, hetton etc.. the state of places like this with little industry in and around just send places like this into a downward spiral. we just get forgotten about up here even by the left who use us for fundamental support, but never change anything
@@ethanjames0993same here in Berwick upon tweed the border town, I’m as north of England as you can get considering a war was fought to claim it as scottish or English, there’s no jobs here at all and your better off selling dr**s to make a living, the council took away our parks as they were “unsafe” and half our shops are shut down, literally a town that’s only running off tourists, as an ice cream van worker at the holiday park it’s good for me but not for the town😂
@@ethanjames0993 I feel your pain, I'm from Durham - we drive through Peterlee at speed if we can. Jokes aside, the whole area has been on the slide since the last financial crisis. For example (if you hadn't heard), Wikos closed their store in Newcastle centre about 18 months ago. If anyone reading that doesn't understand how bad that is then, well, congratulations, you're lucky.
Geordie here. Yep. That's pretty much it. I'm having to move to work. My heart is still thoroughly in the North East, I'll be back as soon as I can. It's got many issues, but it's home.
@mazzame6480 i wouldn't say that. I'm just curious about things. It's always been confusing how conservative and left for British mean totally different things than the US. Here, our labor workers(im a fuel hauler/trucker myself) are almost all conservative, but not in anyway pro big government unlike the U.K. labor party. It's just interesting. The pro government people in the US are not conservative and are the ones in big tech like the southern Britain's.
I was born down south but my Dad is from Manchester and his parents and my uncle and aunt live in Derbyshire, so spent a lot of time up there as a child and picked up the accent. Imo the north, especially parts like the peaks are so much better than the south, it's actually pretty and everybody it way nicer
@Caplonky5 Cotswalds is easily the most beauiful part of England and has been voted so many times. That's where all locations from fairy tales and fantasy films originate.
Problem with the Cotswolds is it's full of "just moved out from London-ers" who've won on the property ladder and have decided London is too edgy to raise Tarquin and Tabitha so they sell up send the stuff ahead and roll up the M40 in the Range (Rover)👍
As a Midlander, whilst I am fully for a three-part divide, the best way to see what parts of the midlands are north vs south is to ask locals if theyd be more offended being called northern or southern. Everyone ive asked this too in the west midlands say theyd be more offended being called southern than northern.
Half my town was flattened to rebuild, ready for the HS2. Now it's scrapped, we're just left with a big empty space, and a multistorey carpark for all the shops that aren't being built
It's so funny to me cause I can relate 💯 as a nigerian 🇳🇬 living in uk cause my country is going through the same phase but with "OIL" not coal and the north and south divide is astonishing.
The biggest puzzle is why the internet (and latterly, covid) hasn't redistributed businesses and populations around the country. There is almost no need to live in or near to London, even if your job is based there these days.
Likely a lot of these "back to office" schemes. My mother works for HMRC, and in covid was fully remote, but right after was forced back into the office, and it doesn't make any real sense, shes more productive and its much easier to work from home, but they force people back in because they want control over their employees, even the government in this case.
The accent thing is interesting, because it neatly shows the London-centric nature of the country. You'll find several features of the accents of, say, Norfolk, are shared with the accents of Somerset. (Indeed sometimes some people mistake West Country and East Anglian accents!) It's not an accident, both are roughly the same distance from London. Language features that start in London tend to radiate outwards over the centuries as the local accents bend to the prestige of "London ways". So the modern day features of East Anglian and West Country speech both originated in London at the same point in time a few centuries ago!
I always feel like the Thames Estuary towns, basically east of the Isle of Dogs are more similar to the North than the rest of the south. Especially industry and recent history wise, mainly dockers and working in power plants or quarries. Industrial heartlands in decline and strong working class communal cultures and identities. Silvertown, Woowlich, Barking, Dagenham, Rainham, Gravesend, Grays, Tilbury, Chatham, Gillingham etc as well as the Isle of Dogs before the whole Canary Wharf thing. The voting is the same, as well as the amount of benefits claimants and unemployment. I live in one of these towns and its been known as London's dumping ground. Despite being in a London borough, some investment at least has finally began, but its just miles of ugly flats few of which went to locals anyway.
I partially agree, but only down to where it becomes the modern A429, as places like Chipping Campden, despite being north of the Fosse Way are definitely more southern economically
Gloucestershire born and bred here and with this county the line seems to be the M5. Anything east of it is more southern (Cheltenham, Cotswolds and Cirencester) and to the west is more northern (Gloucester, Forest of Dean and Tewkesbury)
My town in the north is full of southerners. 8 houses down my street, 5 are southern families and retirees. 3 or 4 bed detached house with massive garden, 275k. . . My neighbour says he had a tiny 2 bed flat for almost double the money, and his work commute was over an hour each way. F*** that.
@@JimmyTheGiant That's fair enough... But still. Lots completely outsource even some slot smaller than you so enough credit to you and your little team. You always do your homework and I cringe at British social media people a hell of alot now but you hold the flag out to the rest of the world that we are normal over here 😂 Thank you for the great content mate
Coming from the West Country I very much feel like we shouldn't be put in the same bracket as London. We have more in common with Northerners and I pronounce Bath as 'Baff'.
I enjoyed that so much, that's the most engaging youtube video I've seen in a long time. It's incredible to educate people about their history in this way. Thank you!
Only one "i" in Westminster. There's Westminster and there's "Yes, Minister", there's no Westminister. I enjoy your videos, not meaning to be an arse. Cheers.
I'm always MORE than happy to go SouthWest, less so SouthEast...... The "myths" about Northerners being more friendly are NOT myths at all, its fact..... The older I get the less I like London, I get in and out as quickly as possible and its been that way since my mid 30's. I'm still convinced Osbourne's speech was about "The Northern POORHOUSE" and it was simply his accent that was misunderstood.
You fell prey to the Hovis Delusion! Everyone thinks the voiceover was northern but it was a West Country accent (the scene shown in a hill in Shaftesbury, Dorset). The bit you play at 3:24 is clearly West Country - listen to the way he says "worrrrld". That version was made in 1973. However, they did do a Yorkshire one in 1986, and everyone seems to have overwritten that onto the original in their minds, and even - as you show - their ears. (Also, weirdly, the Two Ronnies did a parody using a Yorkshire accent before the Yorkshire version was actually made.)
I was going to say, I’m Canadian and that accent doesn’t sound northern. That makes more sense, west. Which funny enough is the least “English” sounding accent to us foreigners. Southern accent is what most people know of here, and some know northern dialects from stuff like Game Of Thrones. West country is only really represented by hobbits in lord of the rings.
The North East has the most beautiful countryside and beaches, and Newcastle is an amazing city full of wonderful people. Wouldnt want to live anywhere else ❤
From growing up in the UK it’s always been the same things said by politicians throughout my whole life. Of “we will invest into the north” and never following through. Great to see such a well produced video about the north south divide in the uk.
It's easy to figure out where the North is. Get on the A1 at London and Drive Towards Newcastle. When the signs stop saying 'The North', you're there. For those that want to know, that's the first signpost after Scotch Corner. You could do the reverse to find out where the south starts. Probably somewhere around Nottingham, I've never done it myself yet. the bit where the northbound carriageway signs say 'The North' and the southbound carriageway signs say 'The South' is the midlands. easy. Yes Leeds, Manchester, and Liverpool are the midlands. which makes sense when you consider that 5 miles outside of Sheffield is halfway between London and Newcastle.
I'm not certain there is, in fact, a North/South divide in this country despite what people say. What there is, is a London & the South East/Rest of the Country divide. In the South West for example, we have the third lowest wages in the country by region, yet the second highest prices. This is due to Devonwall being completely taken over by Londoners and their second homes. Almost anything you can say about the North, you can also say about the South West and the Midlands.
This is the video I've been waiting for lol use to work with a northern demolition firm as a local labourer and they always referred to me as a southern fairy despite being in Norfolk
My childhood was down south (Bedfordshire) But I moved to the North East when I was about 12, so I have lived most of my life up north. I'd say things were worse then, than they are now in terms of infrastructure and perceived development. In the early 2000's and even into the 2010's town centres were rougher on the whole, there were far fewer modern estates (I'm not getting into build quality, but I'd wager most are better than the 100 years + old townhouses or old, crumbling miners houses that make up large swathes of the smaller towns), far less modern infrastructure such as high speed Internet etc. These days there's a lot more viable small business about and a decent pub/bar scene depending on which town you go to. There's some beautiful countryside about as well and certain places in Yorkshire (for example) seem quite affluent. Definitely comparable to some of the places I've visited down south. Whilst there are still some rough as **** places as well, as your videos point out, so many places outside of the London and South East bubble have fallen into such decay that it's frankly embarrassing to behold... Seaside towns come to mind (Shudders at the thought of Blackpool for example). So to conclude I'd say things have improved in the North since 2002 (when I moved up) in terms of being more up to date, but there's a long way to go. One area that's always been bad is the availability of decent jobs and decent wages. For as long as I've been working, wages have always been underpaid compared to the same or similar jobs further south. It's infuriating. I hope that thing such as remote working improve this and remove the need for people to move down south and/or spend the majority of their wages living out of a shoebox sized room in "Landan town". To be fair, I'd argue the whole country needs investment as you've pointed out in your videos. If I were in charge I'd focus massive investment into the NHS, armed forces/policing and redevelopment and introduction of industries across the whole of the land as a foundation to grown upon. A safe, healthy and united populous instead of just piecemeal attempts at stabilisation whilst investing solely into one area (London and the super rich). We really do need a cultural revolution.
It's still mind boggling to me how much I've learned about the inequality of the north vs. the south of England by being a Liverpool fan (I'm from Denmark). The fact you had a prime minister putting one of the biggest economies in the north in "managed decline" as she described it, and never got punished for it is nuts. Great vidio getting both points across, but really there's only one way too look at it. The north needs help to be revived. We're facing kind of a similar problem in Denmark in the rural areas but not nearly as big of a problem as in England.
Never understood northerners saying us southerners were unfriendly. London has properly ruined our rep lol. I live in rural south and u can't go on a walk without getting at least one persons life story. Swear it's not the north v south but just the English vs London lol.
It would be interesting for you to do a video on wales, all of these problems have been occurring to a worse degree in wales but with no attention from the media or government
You forgot the most important part of the modern history of England the collapse of British empire from the biggest empire to a small European democracy we need count and that that after the ww2 the collapse was disastrous form a empire that control the world to the uk and I believe is one of the main reason that the economy stalled that era.
I live in Chesterfield, a largish town near Sheffield, and it really is the most hopeless hole imaginable. New ruins built atop old ruins, token attempts at rebuilding around every corner as a reminder of the deadness
At 15:30 I’m looking at Ireland! I’m from Kildare and I read “us but catholic” and I’m like.. pretty much yeah! Lots of history between our countries but we have always been more alike than we are different! ❤ It’s just a shame there was so much bloodshed between us in the past!! Great video Jimmy ❤ keep them coming ❤️
I'm Polish. Everybody in out country should see that. We have a huge problem with our coal mining region- Śląsk (Selesia on some maps) and for last around 20 years we only pushed it back bit by bit by investing in coal mines. In 90's one of them was closed and it spooned a mafia of poor mine shafts(unregulated, illegal coal mining) , that is there today. One mine in a region! No investments in the region ware made. There is nothing there comparable to heavy industry in the employment possibility.... And mining i less and less profitable (actually wright now it is loss-able) cause of low prices of coal worldwide.
It’s similar in the US. Coal country is in Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia and the adjacent parts of Pennsylvania which have never recovered from the downturns that started in the 70s and 80s here.
Hartlepool shown in the first second of the video? Instant like! The North/South divide is very real unfortunately. For the first 4 years of living in England as a foreigner (don't worry, I'm just Belgian) I spent my time living in Northamptonshire and then eventually London. In 2020 I had the opportunity to move to the North East, and my fuck, what a culture shock it was. Down South I'd get called racist names and people would automatically assume I was Polish, whereas up North all I hear is "'kin 'ell lad, wot tha fock are yew dewin' 'ere in dis shithole?". People up North have always struck me as being a lot friendlier and open. I could start a conversation with about 50% of the bus here in Hartlepool, but if I tried the same thing down in Northampton I'd probably get lynched for daring to speak on public transport. Houses are A LOT cheaper here than down South, but that also means jobs are very few and far between, and with the London government gutting the local steel industry there's a shitload of deprivation. I'd also say crime's a lot more prevalent here, but then again, we have a town of 80,000 and about 10 cop cars, 5 of which will be at the Burn Valley McDonald's drive-thru at any given time. I just think if the North was given as much money, attention and time as southern cities, it could and absolutely would flourish as Northerners are extremely hard working people who do way too much for way too little if you ask me.
I'm from Somerset and we've got a lot more in common with the north than we have londoners. It's not a north-south divide, it's the south east and everyone else.
For the record, I'm from about half way between Manchestahh and Liverpewl, and we say 'alf. (Pronounced the same way as everyone else aside from our inability to pronounce the letter H. 😂)
It's a fact that the South ... well, more London being the capital of the country, has all the political and non-physical power, while the north HAD the industrial strength and production. However, much of the northern production companies were owned by southerners. Even now, the north is considered a place to exploit and the south is considered to be the financial contollers.
There's a similar phenomenon in Noway as well. I was completely oblivious of this until I was in mandatory conscription, were I encountered a lot of northerners who wouldn't shy away from speaking openly about their disdain for southerners. I get that there is a urban vs. rural divide, but they seem to think all of southern Norway is either spoiled rich kids(which is typically just western Oslo) or foreigners. But it's mostly rural areas and a handful of 'big' cities. They seem to think about us southerners a lot, while we don't really think about them at all. I know a married coupled who visited the north once and they were denied entry to a restaurant because they were southerners(the dialects are distinct so it is easy to tell). And no, they didn't assume that was the reason, the staff explicitly stated that was the reason. They were also surprised and had no idea this adversarial mindset existed or was a thing.
As an American, I can’t help but compare it to how the US basically stripped the Rust Belt states of their industrial might in favor of pushing jobs overseas. Same thing with the south, the deep south gets a reputation, similar to the north in England. But if you go down there, they are so poor it’s almost unimaginable in some states
Yep the same thing happened here. In order for a small minority of people to make more money it meant putting entire towns, city’s and eventually counties into decline and now we’re paying the price for it unfortunately.
As a Northerner I have never met anyone who pronounced "Half" as "Haf" In the case of what I know, we all say Half the same except most say it as "Arf".
I lived my first 12 years in Brighton and now live in outside Manchester and do not get any conflict about the north and south but I would say the north is more friendly
Small correction, east germany was not in the USSR. It was im their sphere of influence and was a part of the Warsaw Pact, but was its own nation. Very good video!
In my experience it's actually the northerners who have a chip on their shoulder and the southerners who are the chilled out ones. I say this as someone with northern roots on both sides. I know this flies in the face of popular belief.
The thing you need to consider about East Germany since you mentioned it is that a lot of the investment was West German entrepreneurs buying up failing East German businesses so most easterners were actually stripped of what they had beforehand due to it
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Germany only got the 2tn of investment for Eastern Europe by taking money off of us and France through manipulation of the European fx mechanism.
what has london actually contributed to the world? the wealth is fictional just like magic swords, justice and royal DNA!
gonna start watching the video so ill make an edited message after but from thumbnail and videos that talk about north vs south in general is not great when they never really talk about the fact that there is plenty of areas down south that is exactly like up north, the only difference being is the neighbourhood next to yours is super rich meaning the avg gdp or the wealth is much more higher than it really is if you look at pure stats
(forgot to add from the last paragraph) me being from the south and nearly all houses in my area being council housing so its low income with a few rich people, most people live in tower blocks its only the very wealthy or middle class (who moves out soon after) that live in these types of housing where its posh, look at the ONS most people outside of places like inner london own their home and inner london areas are like 70-90% council estates/blocks or non-fully owned housing some benefits is the transport but even that is packed to the brim with not enough buses running the management seems bad in general
how many rich ppl work hard and how many hard working ppl are rich? its as if there not related
Newly qualified train drivers can only drive on southern lines for 5 years before they are allowed onto the older rail systems further north, that shows the lack of development in one swoop
Or the concentration of this declining nations investment, dependant on your viewpoint.
London is a financial stronghold for the rich and powerful. So much of our countries wealth pools in that city and quietly fills the pockets of oligarchs, board executives, friends of MPs, and "heads of industry".
Most of whom are foreign property owners weirdly enough
@@intboom What's weird about it... the government loves selling out it's own people for foreigners, rich or poor.
and all of which are completely safe since they picked the right country... as if the english would ever even try to get their thumbs out off their collective ass's and act.
@@intboom might sound weird but that's how things really go under late capitalism
It all comes off the back off boots on the ground hard working people., north produces south skims like a parasite
It might be terrible being a northerner economically speaking, but at least I am not a southerner.
that's the 'north-south' spectrum forya
Hell yeah!
I lived and grew up in London, moved up to Manchester for 3.5 years after university. What I can tell you - southerners don’t think about the north or northerners. But northerners can’t stop thinking about southerners. I had northerners thinking everyone in London is millionaires, which is just funny
@@t3rry260makes me wonder. How much does a little flat gonna run me in London
@@kamakaziozzie3038 don’t know, we can’t afford them 😂 end of the day, I’m paying £1,400 for a flat without bills. Hence why I’m moving to Scotland soon
I dont ever see the government ever investing besides the bare minimum. HS2 was a sign of that. They just said "good enough" and gave up on half of it. It's been the same old shit since I made the mistake of becoming aware of politics when I was 10.
it’s interesting to me that these “northerner vs southerner” stereotypes are reversed in the US
I'd say the North is equivalent to America's rust belt rather than the southern states
I had the same thought. They also have the east vs west culture to spice it up too.
Same with the party colours, blue over here is right leaning and red is left leaning
Even that’s now reversing as people move from the rust belt and California to the sun belt states
New England is folks from England, the south was the Scotch-Irish
It makes me so angry that the North is disregarded and marginalized in this way. I studied in Newcastle for a year as a guest student and just fell in love with the North. These places deserve so much better.
R u agitated?
@@lervish1966 r u a person?
@@antonnurwald5700 I am a consciousness and so are you.
If you think the way the North is treated is bad, how do you think us in the Midlands feel? Apparently we don't even exist and we just get labelled as Northern or Southern depending on who you ask, despite the fact we have our own history/culture and pretty much powered the country for decades. Hell, there are many places in the Midlands that a far more economically deprived than anywhere in the North.
@@jordanwood3150 Victim
The Furtive Midlands, so easily forgotten...
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@@charlesmiv3842 make Mercia an anglo-saxon kingdom again
Too bloody right. The west midlands conurbation is as big as London. Once you've seen some paintings, and some antique plates and spoons, there is nothing to do in Birmingham apart from shop or drink. The idea of a cultural weekend in Brum is a joke, and it's Britain's second city.
Most of the ‘south’ stereotypes are just London stereotypes
Come to Brighton and Hove.
Nah, you’re alright mate
Bingo. Mentioned it in another comment. Northerners need to start differentiating between Londoners and Southerners
*rich/middle class Londoners
@@LondonMoneyCashEnterprise The rich all live in London mate lol proper Londoners were all priced out of London over 30 years ago
It's always a North South conversation but the South West gets the same treatment as the North. It's basically London + 70 mile radius vs the rest of England.
Exactly
i live in one of these old "coal mining" towns and there's literally nothing to do. crime is rampant because we STILL don't have jobs even 50 years later, councils are corrupt as hell and we barely get any funding compared to southern towns
My partner lives in one and it is pretty much a shithole.
absolutely agree. i live in a town called peterlee, surrounded by colliery villages: horden, easington, shotton, hetton etc.. the state of places like this with little industry in and around just send places like this into a downward spiral. we just get forgotten about up here even by the left who use us for fundamental support, but never change anything
@@ethanjames0993same here in Berwick upon tweed the border town, I’m as north of England as you can get considering a war was fought to claim it as scottish or English, there’s no jobs here at all and your better off selling dr**s to make a living, the council took away our parks as they were “unsafe” and half our shops are shut down, literally a town that’s only running off tourists, as an ice cream van worker at the holiday park it’s good for me but not for the town😂
@@ethanjames0993 I feel your pain, I'm from Durham - we drive through Peterlee at speed if we can.
Jokes aside, the whole area has been on the slide since the last financial crisis. For example (if you hadn't heard), Wikos closed their store in Newcastle centre about 18 months ago.
If anyone reading that doesn't understand how bad that is then, well, congratulations, you're lucky.
Geordie here. Yep. That's pretty much it. I'm having to move to work. My heart is still thoroughly in the North East, I'll be back as soon as I can. It's got many issues, but it's home.
This is helpful for Americans like me to understand. Thank you.
You must be a super fan to watch this if Yr not even British. Im welsh+I am a super fan. 😂😂😂
@mazzame6480 i wouldn't say that. I'm just curious about things. It's always been confusing how conservative and left for British mean totally different things than the US. Here, our labor workers(im a fuel hauler/trucker myself) are almost all conservative, but not in anyway pro big government unlike the U.K. labor party. It's just interesting. The pro government people in the US are not conservative and are the ones in big tech like the southern Britain's.
@@BillyBulletPewPew same. I'm not from the UK but rather the Netherlands. BUT ITS SO INTERESTING!!! Also this guy just explains it so well
@sid86588 yeah he does.
@@mazzame6480 you like Ren?
I swear thats Jimmy Carr on the left of the thumbnail.
Pretty sure too.
Yes, it is. I'm pretty sure the one on the right, is the guy from Brassic (I can't remember his name).
I was born down south but my Dad is from Manchester and his parents and my uncle and aunt live in Derbyshire, so spent a lot of time up there as a child and picked up the accent. Imo the north, especially parts like the peaks are so much better than the south, it's actually pretty and everybody it way nicer
Clearly never been to the cotswolds and Cornish coast. Easily the prettiest parts of the UK.
@harrymail7 I have been down to Cornwall a lot, they do rival some parts of the north but I don't think they beat it
@Caplonky5 Cotswalds is easily the most beauiful part of England and has been voted so many times.
That's where all locations from fairy tales and fantasy films originate.
@@harrymail7 yeah Iven never been there so thats why i didnt mention it
Problem with the Cotswolds is it's full of "just moved out from London-ers" who've won on the property ladder and have decided London is too edgy to raise Tarquin and Tabitha so they sell up send the stuff ahead and roll up the M40 in the Range (Rover)👍
As a Midlander, whilst I am fully for a three-part divide, the best way to see what parts of the midlands are north vs south is to ask locals if theyd be more offended being called northern or southern. Everyone ive asked this too in the west midlands say theyd be more offended being called southern than northern.
Can confirm. -Slappy-Nottz.
My dad calls anyone from below watford a 'southern monkey' he's from Birmingham 😂 edit the Watford gap that is*
Spare a thought for East Anglia. 😢
"Are you Northern or Southern?"
"No."
"A Midlander then?"
"No."
(though the South can have Cambridge!)
Half my town was flattened to rebuild, ready for the HS2. Now it's scrapped, we're just left with a big empty space, and a multistorey carpark for all the shops that aren't being built
It's so funny to me cause I can relate 💯 as a nigerian 🇳🇬 living in uk cause my country is going through the same phase but with "OIL" not coal and the north and south divide is astonishing.
The biggest puzzle is why the internet (and latterly, covid) hasn't redistributed businesses and populations around the country. There is almost no need to live in or near to London, even if your job is based there these days.
Likely a lot of these "back to office" schemes. My mother works for HMRC, and in covid was fully remote, but right after was forced back into the office, and it doesn't make any real sense, shes more productive and its much easier to work from home, but they force people back in because they want control over their employees, even the government in this case.
The last time I came this early, my girlfriend left me
She was probably cheating on you too mate
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LMFAO
>"They use northern accents in adverts because they seem more trustworthy"
> Shows an advert containing a West Country accent
If you think about it, the West Country is like the North of the South...
The accent thing is interesting, because it neatly shows the London-centric nature of the country. You'll find several features of the accents of, say, Norfolk, are shared with the accents of Somerset. (Indeed sometimes some people mistake West Country and East Anglian accents!) It's not an accident, both are roughly the same distance from London. Language features that start in London tend to radiate outwards over the centuries as the local accents bend to the prestige of "London ways". So the modern day features of East Anglian and West Country speech both originated in London at the same point in time a few centuries ago!
Well the West Country is considered as north for the home counties
As soon as theres an accent youre from up norf m8
I always feel like the Thames Estuary towns, basically east of the Isle of Dogs are more similar to the North than the rest of the south. Especially industry and recent history wise, mainly dockers and working in power plants or quarries.
Industrial heartlands in decline and strong working class communal cultures and identities. Silvertown, Woowlich, Barking, Dagenham, Rainham, Gravesend, Grays, Tilbury, Chatham, Gillingham etc as well as the Isle of Dogs before the whole Canary Wharf thing. The voting is the same, as well as the amount of benefits claimants and unemployment. I live in one of these towns and its been known as London's dumping ground. Despite being in a London borough, some investment at least has finally began, but its just miles of ugly flats few of which went to locals anyway.
I live in the West Midlands and I think the line of divide is somewhere along the Fosse Way, the old Roman boundary.
I partially agree, but only down to where it becomes the modern A429, as places like Chipping Campden, despite being north of the Fosse Way are definitely more southern economically
Gloucestershire born and bred here and with this county the line seems to be the M5. Anything east of it is more southern (Cheltenham, Cotswolds and Cirencester) and to the west is more northern (Gloucester, Forest of Dean and Tewkesbury)
My town in the north is full of southerners.
8 houses down my street, 5 are southern families and retirees.
3 or 4 bed detached house with massive garden, 275k. . .
My neighbour says he had a tiny 2 bed flat for almost double the money, and his work commute was over an hour each way.
F*** that.
I didn't know you edited your own videos that's amazing!!!! Wow 😮🎉
I have an editor for 2 a month - Postmatch cuts he edited this one
@@JimmyTheGiant That's fair enough... But still. Lots completely outsource even some slot smaller than you so enough credit to you and your little team. You always do your homework and I cringe at British social media people a hell of alot now but you hold the flag out to the rest of the world that we are normal over here 😂 Thank you for the great content mate
@@JimmyTheGiantamazing reports, very informative and entertaining.
2:12 this clip lives rent free in my head 😂
Brilliant video essay 💪🏾🔥
Oh yes Jimmy the giant upload while I'm on my break 🌚
Coming from the West Country I very much feel like we shouldn't be put in the same bracket as London. We have more in common with Northerners and I pronounce Bath as 'Baff'.
I always find we’re forgotten in these sorts of conversations, lump us in with London when the south west is more north adjacent.
I enjoyed that so much, that's the most engaging youtube video I've seen in a long time. It's incredible to educate people about their history in this way. Thank you!
I was so stoked to get to this video early but you get 6k views an hour. That's nuts
As a Geordie, anywhere south of Leeds is what I’ve always considered
Only one "i" in Westminster. There's Westminster and there's "Yes, Minister", there's no Westminister.
I enjoy your videos, not meaning to be an arse. Cheers.
You do some fucking belter topics Jimmy, there will be people watching this from outside the UK having no idea it existed before.
Keep at it lad.
Ah, Jimmy is back again! Keep up the good work, Jimbo! I might even one day use Squarespace.... Hahahaha
I'm always MORE than happy to go SouthWest, less so SouthEast......
The "myths" about Northerners being more friendly are NOT myths at all, its fact.....
The older I get the less I like London, I get in and out as quickly as possible and its been that way since my mid 30's.
I'm still convinced Osbourne's speech was about "The Northern POORHOUSE" and it was simply his accent that was misunderstood.
This video was fantastic, shared and liked.
I’m stealing that “log on the fire” line
Excellent essay cheers
All ways great, keep it coming!!!
You fell prey to the Hovis Delusion! Everyone thinks the voiceover was northern but it was a West Country accent (the scene shown in a hill in Shaftesbury, Dorset). The bit you play at 3:24 is clearly West Country - listen to the way he says "worrrrld". That version was made in 1973. However, they did do a Yorkshire one in 1986, and everyone seems to have overwritten that onto the original in their minds, and even - as you show - their ears. (Also, weirdly, the Two Ronnies did a parody using a Yorkshire accent before the Yorkshire version was actually made.)
I was going to say, I’m Canadian and that accent doesn’t sound northern. That makes more sense, west. Which funny enough is the least “English” sounding accent to us foreigners.
Southern accent is what most people know of here, and some know northern dialects from stuff like Game Of Thrones. West country is only really represented by hobbits in lord of the rings.
Well done Jimmy, another belter!
Nice work Jimmy. Your content is fucking great. Raised the bar with this one. Keep up the good work man, you're smashing it.
As a midlander watching this 🍿🥤🍾
Another great video, always learning from them
3:20 this advert is a west country accent...in the south
Glad I’m not the only one to notice
The North East has the most beautiful countryside and beaches, and Newcastle is an amazing city full of wonderful people. Wouldnt want to live anywhere else ❤
South West better.
Every US problem: "so basically Reagan..."
Every UK problem: "so basically Thatcher..."
From growing up in the UK it’s always been the same things said by politicians throughout my whole life. Of “we will invest into the north” and never following through.
Great to see such a well produced video about the north south divide in the uk.
Its literally just London and surrey that recives funding almost no different apart from the accent anywhere else in the south
It's easy to figure out where the North is. Get on the A1 at London and Drive Towards Newcastle. When the signs stop saying 'The North', you're there. For those that want to know, that's the first signpost after Scotch Corner.
You could do the reverse to find out where the south starts. Probably somewhere around Nottingham, I've never done it myself yet.
the bit where the northbound carriageway signs say 'The North' and the southbound carriageway signs say 'The South' is the midlands. easy.
Yes Leeds, Manchester, and Liverpool are the midlands. which makes sense when you consider that 5 miles outside of Sheffield is halfway between London and Newcastle.
Love ya work Jimmy
The North south divide should be Liverpool ~ Hull in a straight line ‘ For context in from Newcastle ( Far North )
That Hovis ad was filmed in Clovelly in Devon. About 200 miles south of Macclesfield.
I'm not certain there is, in fact, a North/South divide in this country despite what people say. What there is, is a London & the South East/Rest of the Country divide. In the South West for example, we have the third lowest wages in the country by region, yet the second highest prices. This is due to Devonwall being completely taken over by Londoners and their second homes. Almost anything you can say about the North, you can also say about the South West and the Midlands.
Hyperbolic bollocks
This is the video I've been waiting for lol use to work with a northern demolition firm as a local labourer and they always referred to me as a southern fairy despite being in Norfolk
Guys let’s all agree, it’s pronounced like ‘bath’ and ‘path’
My childhood was down south (Bedfordshire) But I moved to the North East when I was about 12, so I have lived most of my life up north.
I'd say things were worse then, than they are now in terms of infrastructure and perceived development. In the early 2000's and even into the 2010's town centres were rougher on the whole, there were far fewer modern estates (I'm not getting into build quality, but I'd wager most are better than the 100 years + old townhouses or old, crumbling miners houses that make up large swathes of the smaller towns), far less modern infrastructure such as high speed Internet etc. These days there's a lot more viable small business about and a decent pub/bar scene depending on which town you go to.
There's some beautiful countryside about as well and certain places in Yorkshire (for example) seem quite affluent. Definitely comparable to some of the places I've visited down south.
Whilst there are still some rough as **** places as well, as your videos point out, so many places outside of the London and South East bubble have fallen into such decay that it's frankly embarrassing to behold... Seaside towns come to mind (Shudders at the thought of Blackpool for example).
So to conclude I'd say things have improved in the North since 2002 (when I moved up) in terms of being more up to date, but there's a long way to go. One area that's always been bad is the availability of decent jobs and decent wages. For as long as I've been working, wages have always been underpaid compared to the same or similar jobs further south. It's infuriating. I hope that thing such as remote working improve this and remove the need for people to move down south and/or spend the majority of their wages living out of a shoebox sized room in "Landan town".
To be fair, I'd argue the whole country needs investment as you've pointed out in your videos. If I were in charge I'd focus massive investment into the NHS, armed forces/policing and redevelopment and introduction of industries across the whole of the land as a foundation to grown upon. A safe, healthy and united populous instead of just piecemeal attempts at stabilisation whilst investing solely into one area (London and the super rich).
We really do need a cultural revolution.
That Hovis video was shot on Gold Hill, Shaftesbury and the v/o is West Country (South of England).
It's still mind boggling to me how much I've learned about the inequality of the north vs. the south of England by being a Liverpool fan (I'm from Denmark). The fact you had a prime minister putting one of the biggest economies in the north in "managed decline" as she described it, and never got punished for it is nuts.
Great vidio getting both points across, but really there's only one way too look at it. The north needs help to be revived. We're facing kind of a similar problem in Denmark in the rural areas but not nearly as big of a problem as in England.
Never understood northerners saying us southerners were unfriendly. London has properly ruined our rep lol. I live in rural south and u can't go on a walk without getting at least one persons life story. Swear it's not the north v south but just the English vs London lol.
"I can't hear you over all this ___ coal!"
Hilarious! 😂
Another banger, thanks for the vid
As a dude from Utah in 'Merica who loves the show Top Boy...i appreciate ur vids bruv. Helps me stay educated ab cross the pond now innit
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Your Northern Accent had me rolling Jimmy great video lol
Excellent content Jimmy. How about a future video being about poverty in the rural economy? Or even the economic decline of the English seaside towns?
It would be interesting for you to do a video on wales, all of these problems have been occurring to a worse degree in wales but with no attention from the media or government
You forgot the most important part of the modern history of England the collapse of British empire from the biggest empire to a small European democracy we need count and that that after the ww2 the collapse was disastrous form a empire that control the world to the uk and I believe is one of the main reason that the economy stalled that era.
Those Thatcher years were brutal
Love your mini documentaries! I'm from Sweden, but the Swedish history is pretty similar to British in many ways
I live in Chesterfield, a largish town near Sheffield, and it really is the most hopeless hole imaginable. New ruins built atop old ruins, token attempts at rebuilding around every corner as a reminder of the deadness
Jimmythegiant is a legend
At 15:30 I’m looking at Ireland!
I’m from Kildare and I read “us but catholic” and I’m like.. pretty much yeah!
Lots of history between our countries but we have always been more alike than we are different! ❤
It’s just a shame there was so much bloodshed between us in the past!!
Great video Jimmy ❤ keep them coming ❤️
I'm Polish. Everybody in out country should see that. We have a huge problem with our coal mining region- Śląsk (Selesia on some maps) and for last around 20 years we only pushed it back bit by bit by investing in coal mines. In 90's one of them was closed and it spooned a mafia of poor mine shafts(unregulated, illegal coal mining) , that is there today. One mine in a region! No investments in the region ware made. There is nothing there comparable to heavy industry in the employment possibility.... And mining i less and less profitable (actually wright now it is loss-able) cause of low prices of coal worldwide.
It’s similar in the US. Coal country is in Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia and the adjacent parts of Pennsylvania which have never recovered from the downturns that started in the 70s and 80s here.
Hartlepool shown in the first second of the video? Instant like!
The North/South divide is very real unfortunately. For the first 4 years of living in England as a foreigner (don't worry, I'm just Belgian) I spent my time living in Northamptonshire and then eventually London. In 2020 I had the opportunity to move to the North East, and my fuck, what a culture shock it was. Down South I'd get called racist names and people would automatically assume I was Polish, whereas up North all I hear is "'kin 'ell lad, wot tha fock are yew dewin' 'ere in dis shithole?". People up North have always struck me as being a lot friendlier and open. I could start a conversation with about 50% of the bus here in Hartlepool, but if I tried the same thing down in Northampton I'd probably get lynched for daring to speak on public transport. Houses are A LOT cheaper here than down South, but that also means jobs are very few and far between, and with the London government gutting the local steel industry there's a shitload of deprivation. I'd also say crime's a lot more prevalent here, but then again, we have a town of 80,000 and about 10 cop cars, 5 of which will be at the Burn Valley McDonald's drive-thru at any given time. I just think if the North was given as much money, attention and time as southern cities, it could and absolutely would flourish as Northerners are extremely hard working people who do way too much for way too little if you ask me.
Thoroughly appreciate a little bit of Black Sun Empire being snuck into this (as always excellent) video.
I'm from Somerset and we've got a lot more in common with the north than we have londoners. It's not a north-south divide, it's the south east and everyone else.
That's not the Watford where the North is supposed to begin. It's Watford Gap in Northamptonshire
Half... Haff?
Nah mate, swing and a miss!
We don't call a calf a caff either. 😂
I assume a joke because i couldnt think of an accent that fits, also, a lot of west mids accents say short a other than laugh and then its elongated.
@@zellalaing5439 I thought it may have been a joke until he said it again. 😅
For the record, I'm from about half way between Manchestahh and Liverpewl, and we say 'alf. (Pronounced the same way as everyone else aside from our inability to pronounce the letter H. 😂)
You took it a bit too literally mate, nae need, you'll be alright
Great job 👏🏻
It's a fact that the South ... well, more London being the capital of the country, has all the political and non-physical power, while the north HAD the industrial strength and production.
However, much of the northern production companies were owned by southerners.
Even now, the north is considered a place to exploit and the south is considered to be the financial contollers.
good as always
There's a similar phenomenon in Noway as well.
I was completely oblivious of this until I was in mandatory conscription, were I encountered a lot of northerners who wouldn't shy away from speaking openly about their disdain for southerners. I get that there is a urban vs. rural divide, but they seem to think all of southern Norway is either spoiled rich kids(which is typically just western Oslo) or foreigners. But it's mostly rural areas and a handful of 'big' cities.
They seem to think about us southerners a lot, while we don't really think about them at all.
I know a married coupled who visited the north once and they were denied entry to a restaurant because they were southerners(the dialects are distinct so it is easy to tell). And no, they didn't assume that was the reason, the staff explicitly stated that was the reason. They were also surprised and had no idea this adversarial mindset existed or was a thing.
As an American, I can’t help but compare it to how the US basically stripped the Rust Belt states of their industrial might in favor of pushing jobs overseas. Same thing with the south, the deep south gets a reputation, similar to the north in England. But if you go down there, they are so poor it’s almost unimaginable in some states
Yep the same thing happened here. In order for a small minority of people to make more money it meant putting entire towns, city’s and eventually counties into decline and now we’re paying the price for it unfortunately.
As a Midlander, I consider myself blessed, we can blend in with both 👏
As a Northerner I have never met anyone who pronounced "Half" as "Haf" In the case of what I know, we all say Half the same except most say it as "Arf".
I’m from Wheathampstead… so close to “ya boi” 😂
26:38 You wanted to say coal in the fire didnt you sir...
came for the parkour, stayed for the education
Storyblocks? You Southerners have a funny way of pronouncing Squarespace!
I’m East England, keep me outta’ it. 🤣😅
how many fingers do you have
That's only norfolk ger it right @@muhdpeep
I lived my first 12 years in Brighton and now live in outside Manchester and do not get any conflict about the north and south but I would say the north is more friendly
Love vids and yes always noticed the divide
As a southerner who lives in the north, I can tell you... there's waitrose here, too
Can't be. They wouldn't grace us with something so pleasant.
SACRILEGE!!!!
I shit you not, boys
You prob live in durham then
Might I introduce you to Booths ;)
As an American, who has been to the UK numerous times, I have to say that Im in love with the North.
‘Your all southerners to me’-some Scottish lass probably
Pah! Can't believe you didn't mention William the Conqueror. The North-South divide began when the Normans burned it all down
Why is it in Hull that there is an invisible wall ? Half of the city has almost twice the price for buying a house than the other.
Your videos are sick bro. Keep it up. Sssoooouuuttthhhcccooaaasssttt
Reminds me a bit of Detroit in the US. Once the industry left, there was no reason to be there. It’s slowly getting better but it’s sloooow.
Small correction, east germany was not in the USSR. It was im their sphere of influence and was a part of the Warsaw Pact, but was its own nation. Very good video!
In my experience it's actually the northerners who have a chip on their shoulder and the southerners who are the chilled out ones. I say this as someone with northern roots on both sides. I know this flies in the face of popular belief.
The thing you need to consider about East Germany since you mentioned it is that a lot of the investment was West German entrepreneurs buying up failing East German businesses so most easterners were actually stripped of what they had beforehand due to it