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gonna start watching the video so ill make an edited message after but from thumbnail and videos that talk about north vs south in general is not great when they never really talk about the fact that there is plenty of areas down south that is exactly like up north, the only difference being is the neighbourhood next to yours is super rich meaning the avg gdp or the wealth is much more higher than it really is if you look at pure stats
(forgot to add from the last paragraph) me being from the south and nearly all houses in my area being council housing so its low income with a few rich people, most people live in tower blocks its only the very wealthy or middle class (who moves out soon after) that live in these types of housing where its posh, look at the ONS most people outside of places like inner london own their home and inner london areas are like 70-90% council estates/blocks or non-fully owned housing some benefits is the transport but even that is packed to the brim with not enough buses running the management seems bad in general
As a northerner I’d just like to say that there are excellent people from all regions of the UK. The politicians put us all in this mess, don’t let them divide us. Great vid bruv ❤🇬🇧
I went up to Bolton for the fuel company I was working for in London to troubleshoot a problem with a van build, and the owner of the van builders was like forget getting a hotel, I've got a spare room... so I stayed with his family for the week. Went out for dinner, watched the football... that's unimaginable in the south! I met a camp of northerners at a music festival, and they were blown away that I was going around making friends, because they were finding that no one wanted to talk to them... I've come to realise that I don't fit in with a lot of people in the south, which had me convinced for some time that I was really odd, or socially anxious. I'm not, but I pick up really strongly on everyone ELSE'S social anxiety when I'm surrounded by people who don't want to talk to each other, and certainly don't relate well to someone who is friendly and open in a way that they can't deal with.
Problem is who voted on them. You UK voters have to bring accountability toward yourselves bruv. You are no different than those "complaining" minorities.
I was surprised to be told to keep my Yorkshire accent by a kindly old couple from Kent whom I was serving while working in leicester.my colleagues,two of them,thought that I was too loud.the boss accused me of shouting when I was just raising my voice to attract the bosses attention for something.if I was shouting then that would have been much higher in decibels.
Newly qualified train drivers can only drive on southern lines for 5 years before they are allowed onto the older rail systems further north, that shows the lack of development in one swoop
@@jessicamilestone4026 Ooh be careful! 🙀 Some love her lol. One of my mates always praised and spoke highly of her, as if she was a heroine like wonder woman. 🤦🏻♂️
I am Spanish bloke that moved here in 2007 and I have learned more about Uk recent history and culture with your videos than with all that I have been through this years. You managed to find the sweet spot between documentation and fun.
I'm from Cornwall. When I was in uni in Lancashire i wound up talking to a Scottish guy, and at one point we said in unison "Bloody southerners/northerners... no, not you, you're too far south/north." We shortly realised that when we said south/north what we really meant was London and it's surrounds.
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A Cornishman will know perhaps better than anyone just how devastating wealth inequality has ruined his own home. Cornwall is overrun with ignorant Londoners cleaning up over their property sales.
Being in Cornwall, everywhere is the north 😂. I’m from the the north east and I don’t view people in the south west the same as I do the the south east..
As someone who spends roughly equal amounts of time in both London and Yorkshire, I can say the investment & infrastructure divide is enormous. Northern cities/villages are generally fine but the towns are literally falling apart.
I lived and grew up in London, moved up to Manchester for 3.5 years after university. What I can tell you - southerners don’t think about the north or northerners. But northerners can’t stop thinking about southerners. I had northerners thinking everyone in London is millionaires, which is just funny
@@kamakaziozzie3038 don’t know, we can’t afford them 😂 end of the day, I’m paying £1,400 for a flat without bills. Hence why I’m moving to Scotland soon
I'm from Somerset and we've got a lot more in common with the north than we have londoners. It's not a north-south divide, it's the south east and everyone else.
yeah, think generally people "think" of it as a diagonal line, we might say north south... but no one thinks wales or the west country is the same as london. but beyond that, I think up north we miss the outsized scale of london... I live in Medway in kent for close on a decade, and while everyone was very "southern", there was alot of poverty and basically no amenites... everything sinks into the blackhole of london. Now I'm back in the north, and in the time it used to take to get the train into london if I wanted to do anything, I can be in Leeds, Bradford, Manchester or Shefield, ; each of which has more to do than anywhere in Kent. No way I'd move back down to a London commuter town, and I couldn't afford to move to anywhere nice in London... but I do kinda wish that people in power remembered that the country doesn't end when you cross the M25, cause it does kinda suck living in a country that's poorer than the poorest US state, and most of Europe, we're one of the wealthiest cities in the world with one of the poorest "western" countries teathered to it.
I'm from the south east (Southampton) and it absolutely is not. Our infrastructure is falling apart and it also takes us 1.5 hours to take a train to London -- it's faster to drive on the motorway. It's more like London vs everyone else. Or more like Inner London vs everyone else. Outer London isn't that great either, after all Croydon is a crock of shit.
I feel like we often make the mistake of conflating GPD with wealth. When you look at the average house, flat, HMO in the south and the associated costs, it's quite clear that despite the larger amount of money circulating, no one is any better off. I work for one of the nations biggest companies who HQ in Leeds. The job funds my 4 bed, double gardened, detached house. A few years ago a rival company offered me a position doing the exact same job for them but in London. The salary was significantly higher. I was genuinly tempted and started looking into it. When factoring in housing costs, travel expenses, commute times, nhs/school availability, air and water quality, general crowdedness, i wouldve had less disposable income, downgraded my 4 bed detached to a shitty old terrace, have less free time, less privacy, less health. Not to mention things like having roads so crowded theres little point keeping my cars, being further away from the countryside. So while i wouldve been 'richer' due to a much higher salary, i'd have had significantly less spendable money and a much lower quality of life.
London is a financial stronghold for the rich and powerful. So much of our countries wealth pools in that city and quietly fills the pockets of oligarchs, board executives, friends of MPs, and "heads of industry".
and all of which are completely safe since they picked the right country... as if the english would ever even try to get their thumbs out off their collective ass's and act.
Half my town was flattened to rebuild, ready for the HS2. Now it's scrapped, we're just left with a big empty space, and a multistorey carpark for all the shops that aren't being built
It's London and the home counties vs everyone else. Some of the most impoverished, deprived parts of the UK are on the south coast and those communities are repeatedly neglected because of this kind of rhetoric.
Tourism takes a hit when breadline Britain is the norm and the poorest can’t afford a day out or to eat out anymore is soon trickles back up the classes but we all know who it never reaches.
Spot on! London swallows up the south. I’m in the West Country, an hour on the train to London and it costs 60 quid off peak to comments in and on peak is well over 100. Home workers from London have ruined the housing market by buying up houses here and driving prices up as they commute in. The coastal communities are in a right mess.
A lad I know from Hungary went to Sheffield recently as part of a university thing, he studies nuclear physics, they have a power plant or something nearby that his university in Hungary do a program with. Anyway, he said he was stunned by how poor it was. He said the streets of the towns and cities in Hungary were cleaner, safer, richer and more modern. Truly sums it all up.
Budapest is actually a nice city. I didn’t see any poverty in the centre of Budapest. In Hungary, you have to go to very rural villages in the middle of nowhere to see signs of the Cold War Eastern Bloc, where it looks a bit more like the Borat film. Interestingly I’ve been to many countries and the UK is the only place where I’ve experienced obnoxious chavs. I really don’t miss chavs when I’m out the UK.
Inferiority complex, I reckon. I mean nothing against the lad, I don’t know him. What I do know, though, is that growing in Central/Eastern Europe (I’m Polish myself), we often tend to draw a surreal, childishly optimistic picture of the so-called Old Europe in our heads. Then, as we go there, it turns out that no, grass ain’t always greener on the other side of the Iron Curtain.
Friend literally lived through the Soviet Union said that much of England outside of London, literally is shittier and has a worse quality of life than what they lived through during the Soviet collapse. Also on what you said, Sheffield is actually one of the nicest cities of the North outside of it's dreadful city center due to it being where all the Hippies/Bohemians have escaped after being gentrified out of Bristol and it's closeness to the peak district, Sheffield actually has some of the richest suburbs in the UK (Whirlow, Ranmoor), but yes, it's city center might be one of the most depressing in the country.
@@KironVB Just to make matters clear: been to Sheffield twice (I think). Can’t really say I’ve loved it there or what not, yet, were I to put together a list of the most horrible cities I’ve ever visited, it certainly wouldn’t make it. Not even close. I guess it’s much more about “expectations vs reality” than the actual Sheffield. I mean, if you grew up in Hungary (which - politics aside - seems a kinda nice place to live) and had that idealistic picture of the West in your head, you might be in for a surprise while actually going there. As for the Soviet friend: it’s worth bearing in mind that the USSR was effin’ enormous (which the commies loved to remind everyone about) AND almost equally diverse (which they would never, ever publicly admit). Despite decades of uravnilovka, the quality of life could vary wildly region to region or even town to town. So yeah, I can believe the person used to live in a place less shitty than a bunch of present parts of England.
From growing up in the UK it’s always been the same things said by politicians throughout my whole life. Of “we will invest into the north” and never following through. Great to see such a well produced video about the north south divide in the uk.
While they said that all young people move down south from the north to get jobs, I am related to and know people in their 20s who have moved up north from due south. This is so they can afford housing.
@@georgecarr9844London, South East England & East Anglia pay more in tax than they get back, while the rest of the UK pays less in tax than they get back.
"We have to invest in London's infratructure to cope with the growing numbers." ....Then London's commuter hub proceeeds to expand.... "We have to invest in London's infratructure to cope with the growing numbers." ....Then London's commuter hub proceeeds to expand.... "We have to invest in London's infratructure to cope with the growing numbers." ....Then London's commuter hub proceeeds to expand.... Meanwhile all the investment that should be going to the North, or at least the share that should go to the North just gets spent in London.
I'm sure there's a smidgen of truth to that statement. However, my old town of Halifax has the Piece Hall a great venue. Modernising the town bringing in people (Money). Yet the locals just complain about the cost all the time. It's infuriating, we need to move away from the habits that make us unattractive for investment....
What also needs to be understood is that a lot of the wealth generated in the North during the industrial boom was extracted to London which was used to invest in these less heavy industries in London.
And the wool and steel industries. The North was the powerhouse of country but the money went into the pockets of the rich landowners, who invested it in the South. Now they are taking the money from the South and hiding it off shore. The country is being stripped by the rich.
@@vihankrishna9644 not to mention a lot of the industries Thatcher shut down were actually profitable but sacrificed to gain London preferential deals with Europe, coal mining, ship building, yards on tyneside closed because they were kept on preferred lists for government contacts meaning they had no access to EU subsidies, swan hunters closed because the government refused to pay money owed to them.
My Grandparents were from Nelson, Lancashire and moved to Australia way back in the 1920’s because they could see no future with the local weaving mills closing. Grandma was always cheerful, friendly and everyone loved her. They could never afford to go back and always held a love for their home town that they passed on to me. My husband and I visited Nelson last year and the little terrace house where they lived still stands, looking very sad and neglected. I was surprised how pretty the North of England actually is. It’s such a shame, the area has so much potential. It’s like the heart of the country has been broken.
Well, they were both in power during the same time. Thatcher: 1979 - 1990 Reagan: 1981 - 1989 What happened during the same time in Australia and Canada? When I moved 20yrs ago to the UK, I was shocked; for example in my country over 80% of public trains were electrified; also bus and train is nationalised, this means, when the train is late, the bus doesn't leave until it arrives - but not in the UK, it's run by different companies, the times are not synced and therefore your commute is not just useless expensive, it is also very time consuming and not reliable. With car my commute takes 45 minutes, with public transport close to 3hrs; this is how good public transport is, also it's not reliable.
They say Thatcher inspired Reagan and we in UK think Thatcher was inspired by Reagan. One thing is definitely known as fact that both of them were cunts.
Grew up in Cambridgeshire, moved to Lancashire for uni and never left. Northerners are made from tougher stuff but my goodness can you count on them to have a right good laugh with and a shoulder to cry on; all the while they’re telling ya how much of a great big jessie you’re being.
It makes me so angry that the North is disregarded and marginalized in this way. I studied in Newcastle for a year as a guest student and just fell in love with the North. These places deserve so much better.
If you think the way the North is treated is bad, how do you think us in the Midlands feel? Apparently we don't even exist and we just get labelled as Northern or Southern depending on who you ask, despite the fact we have our own history/culture and pretty much powered the country for decades. Hell, there are many places in the Midlands that a far more economically deprived than anywhere in the North.
It's always a North South conversation but the South West gets the same treatment as the North. It's basically London + 70 mile radius vs the rest of England.
Like how Scottish nationalists rag on the English who have it worse than them because it feels better to keep it simple. It really is the London-rUK divide. The government even has different rates for expenses and salaries because the economic gap is that undeniable.
As someone from the southwest, we're in a unique position. The north lumps us in with the rest of the south, assuming we're stuck up nobs. And the rest of the south ignore us completely, like they seem to do to the north. So we're treated like pompous rich folk despite massive poverty rates. The worst of both worlds!
What a brilliant presentation. I am from a mining family and have witnessed both sides of this having worked nationwide for all my working career on britains electricity transmission network. The attitude and social anecdotes are spot on and the overall political commentary is excellent and I will reference this video to bolster my explanation if the moth south divide in future to those that continue to deny it exists. Fantastic work
As a Midlander, whilst I am fully for a three-part divide, the best way to see what parts of the midlands are north vs south is to ask locals if theyd be more offended being called northern or southern. Everyone ive asked this too in the west midlands say theyd be more offended being called southern than northern.
@@rendondo214 Same here in the East Midlands, we just have more in common with the North and can understand them perfectly and speak to strangers also. South is just a world of it's own and they make sure to remind people. Midlands we aren't too affected if I'm honest (apart from Birmingham recently) but we look out for each other in the Midlands.
I dont ever see the government ever investing besides the bare minimum. HS2 was a sign of that. They just said "good enough" and gave up on half of it. It's been the same old shit since I made the mistake of becoming aware of politics when I was 10.
UK has an unofficial caste system based on accent, region and class. Even Lord Sugar admitted it, that despite being a billionare, he will never be accepted in the old boys/rich club because of his accent and Working Class background.
Never understood northerners saying us southerners were unfriendly. London has properly ruined our rep lol. I live in rural south and u can't go on a walk without getting at least one persons life story. Swear it's not the north v south but just the English vs London lol.
I agree, I wonder why London is so unfriendly. I wonder if it is because of diversity as people do tend to stick to their own despite what some people say who don’t actually live in a diverse place
Some of the southerners that have moved up here have sometimes seemed a bit wooden. Maybe it's something to do with that. It's just something I picked up on over the years
@@TayWoode it's because we have to get to our 8hour job via trains that are on strike to pay rent that eats up 70% of our monthly wage. We aren't in the mood for a bloody chat.
I genuinely believe “friendliness” is about personality and perspective. I was born and raised in Nottingham. Came to London with my children aged 38. Worked as an RN my entire adult life in the NHS. I’ve remained in London ever since. I strike up conversations with people all the time. I find it to be vibrant and friendly.
You'll find heavily deprived areas up and down the country and, while the north has undoubtedly suffered, the north/south divide is often just that - a tool used to divide us, so it's always disappointing to see a comment section full of people parroting the usual stereotypes. Come down to the fuckin' coast in Essex, you'll find we've got a hell of a lot more in common with each other than with those in ivory towers.
I went to visit friends in Essex and he took us to the coast. I'm sorry mate but you are far better off than the north, you can visibly see it in the buildings and businesses you see there. You can tell there is money and investment. So no, even if you don't have the ivory towers of London, you still benefit from location and proximity to London.
I was raised in a northern steel town in the early 2000’s. I currently live in an ex mining town in South Yorkshire. Now working as a consultant, regularly traveling down South, the divide in wealth is really hard to put into perspective, it’s beyond vast. Saying that, some northern towns are slowly seeing investment and job opportunities in other industries. However, the ex-miners that still reside struggle to adapt to fit into these new industries.
Ex-mining towns in the north east is still full of houses that you can buy for £20k. That shows you how devastated the local economy was and how it hasn’t recovered to this day.
I live in Norfolk, I'm not from here but "yews roight, bah"... I call it the 'oo-arh factor', and weirdly I even heard it from a farmer who was born and bred and lived in the midlands... I wonder if it's actually original English, uncorrupted by 'foreign influences'..
@@jamieswain4888 But we in the West Country don't regard ourselves as Southerners. We hate Londoners/home counties Tw@s just as much as Northerners, infact we hate you both equally. Its probably because you both got conquered by the Danes and we didn't.
I was born down south but my Dad is from Manchester and his parents and my uncle and aunt live in Derbyshire, so spent a lot of time up there as a child and picked up the accent. Imo the north, especially parts like the peaks are so much better than the south, it's actually pretty and everybody it way nicer
@Caplonky5 Cotswalds is easily the most beauiful part of England and has been voted so many times. That's where all locations from fairy tales and fantasy films originate.
Problem with the Cotswolds is it's full of "just moved out from London-ers" who've won on the property ladder and have decided London is too edgy to raise Tarquin and Tabitha so they sell up send the stuff ahead and roll up the M40 in the Range (Rover)👍
As a Northerner, I get to define where the North is. If you live below Sheffield, you're a southerner. The people of Devon, Cornwall, Somerset and maybe Dorset are also honorary Northerners (and I expect we are honorary South Westerners), they have moors, good food, a folksy vibe and their accents aren't grating to listen to. Essentially, the rest of Middle and Southern England is just one big blob that I drive through on my way to nicer places. KING IN THE NORTH!
i live in one of these old "coal mining" towns and there's literally nothing to do. crime is rampant because we STILL don't have jobs even 50 years later, councils are corrupt as hell and we barely get any funding compared to southern towns
absolutely agree. i live in a town called peterlee, surrounded by colliery villages: horden, easington, shotton, hetton etc.. the state of places like this with little industry in and around just send places like this into a downward spiral. we just get forgotten about up here even by the left who use us for fundamental support, but never change anything
@@ethanjames0902same here in Berwick upon tweed the border town, I’m as north of England as you can get considering a war was fought to claim it as scottish or English, there’s no jobs here at all and your better off selling dr**s to make a living, the council took away our parks as they were “unsafe” and half our shops are shut down, literally a town that’s only running off tourists, as an ice cream van worker at the holiday park it’s good for me but not for the town😂
@@ethanjames0902 I feel your pain, I'm from Durham - we drive through Peterlee at speed if we can. Jokes aside, the whole area has been on the slide since the last financial crisis. For example (if you hadn't heard), Wikos closed their store in Newcastle centre about 18 months ago. If anyone reading that doesn't understand how bad that is then, well, congratulations, you're lucky.
Geordie here. Yep. That's pretty much it. I'm having to move to work. My heart is still thoroughly in the North East, I'll be back as soon as I can. It's got many issues, but it's home.
As an Englishman from the North west, I’ve travelled the whole east coast of America and I fell in love with the ‘poor’ south. The people are more friendly and genuine.
Im from Newcastle and currently in my final year, the lack of opportunity here is bizarre which forces a lot of us to migrate down south in search of those high paying jobs. I hope I can score a good marketing job that'll allow me to work from home so I can stay close to family.
Things are gonna get much worse soon. Not for you personally I hope, but in general its gonna be 10 times worse than the 70s were or what is now. the UK depends entirely on US now and they are doing very bad right now and its gonna get worse with dedolarization.
@@robotube7361 'the UK depends entirely on US now' not really, we established a trade hub and financial sector before america was united. I get the average joe today isn't very smart and gets spoon fed their information from a biased media outlet but c'mon.... wake up.
@@martinjohnson1534Why bother trying to win over someone who is so clearly wrong? Robotube clearly didn't engage their brain when the Star told them only the US matters.
Brexit hating northerner here. The northerner stereotype has really done so much damage. When you go down to London people do think you're daft. Tables have turned now though as everyone who didn't go to school at Eton is viewed as a sponge now. Londoner's don't have it so great now either, our youth go abroad to get opportunities now. Far play to em
With our politicians, I see it as anybody who went to Eton is a sponge. None of them seem intelligent they just know how to talk/scam people. Gift of the gab.
Coming from the West Country I very much feel like we shouldn't be put in the same bracket as London. We have more in common with Northerners and I pronounce Bath as 'Baff'.
bois there was a literal diagonal line on a map shown in this very video. there was also a separate image showing the disparity of wealth between all the different areas. you weren't put in the same bracket
Easiest way to put it is that MOST of England, the North, Scotland and even Northern Ireland DO NOT like to be controlled or ruled by London which is in the South. It's been like that for centuries. South England aka London and its surroundings don't seem to think it's a big deal.
It's even weirder how newspapers and organization's in London barely address anything in the outer boroughs let alone any other county, it's like they want us to be oblivious to anything goibg on that isn't in westminister. wouldn't jt make more sense for the entire country to be able to know what's going on in other county's so we could find unity and try and solve problems instead of funnelling every single pound into Westminster
Hey Jimmy. 28yr old Scotsman here, this was extremely educational for me, I wish a lot more people would see this. It'd humble a lot of people to hear the facts in this perspective. It's probably not of interest to the viewers but I'd love a similar video from you on the state of relations between our countries over a similar timescale. Big ups, great video ❤
As someone from blackpool who now lives in Exeter I find it hilarious when friends tell me "up north" is anything north of Bristol. It took 7 hours on the coach heading south the get to Bristol from Blackpool, and there's still a good 150 miles or so further north past Blackpool before you reach Scotland.
@mazzame6480 i wouldn't say that. I'm just curious about things. It's always been confusing how conservative and left for British mean totally different things than the US. Here, our labor workers(im a fuel hauler/trucker myself) are almost all conservative, but not in anyway pro big government unlike the U.K. labor party. It's just interesting. The pro government people in the US are not conservative and are the ones in big tech like the southern Britain's.
It's so funny to me cause I can relate 💯 as a nigerian 🇳🇬 living in uk cause my country is going through the same phase but with "OIL" not coal and the north and south divide is astonishing.
Here. *This* is the cause of Britain's decline. But the same politicians and oligarchs, who've profited from Britain's lack of investment, say "No, it's not us stealing your money, it's foreigners! Don't look at us, look at the foreigners! Keep looking, that's it."
My aunt moved to Sheffield because the civil service decided to relocate a bunch of departments there in the 80s. Later I rememebr the Blair government invested a lot in revitalising Northern towns. The whole Salford docks areas is evidence of that. The problem was a few flashy rennovation schemes or government initiatives don't make up for a thriving economy based on a network of private industries. The one thing that could really help the north, proper infrastructure and transport so that you could have a commuter based economy like London is the thing that they never do because it is too difficult. I mean another example apart from HS2 - Manchester was supposed to have an underground train system in the 1970s - the Picc Vic - that was never built.
As always Jimmy, an absolutely brilliant job with yet another mini documentary. Can't believe how incredible your content has got over the last several years since your parkour/freerunning content.
I live in Bournemouth (about as south as it gets) and our town is slowly going the way of so many Northern communities. Covid really exacerbated it, but it's crazy thinking back 10 years ago how the town center was lit up, shops were open, we had town fairs and events, compared to now where the high street looks completely abandoned. There's been scaffolding on and off the old Beales department store for years but nothing is ever done to it, all the buildings in the town center are owned by firms and I'm not joking when I say half of the biggest ones just lie unused, just all this beautiful Victorian architecture that you can literally see nature reclaiming. We used to have a really good, no-questions-asked night shelter, but their policy changed and made it super difficult to get in so now you just get loads and loads of crackheads wandering the streets hassling everyone. Recently I've been seeing a lot more council sponsored public art projects, murals on large structures and the like, and it just comes as this massive f___ you to the whole town, painting pretty art over it instead of addressing the damn problems in the first place. I don't know why but it seems like everyone's just given up on the place
The UK is basically just London with a country attached to it, back at some point (maybe it was under Thatcher, I forget) I think it was Manchester that was actually gonna pass London in how rich it was but London used Westminister to make that economically non viable which ensured London would remain the largest & richest city in the country. But hey, with how bloated & innefficient the NHS is soon instead of London being a city with a country attached the NHS will take that role as the entire GDP of Britain goes towards funding your international health service.
Too bloody right. The west midlands conurbation is as big as London. Once you've seen some paintings, and some antique plates and spoons, there is nothing to do in Birmingham apart from shop or drink. The idea of a cultural weekend in Brum is a joke, and it's Britain's second city.
Northerners are proud of being Northerners. Especially those from Yorkshire. Southerners are not proud of it, we just take it for granted that the South is best. Joking aside : northerners' distrusting of southerners is annoying, I have no problem with northerners, I just wish it was mutual. Unfriendliness isn't a Southern thing, it's a London thing. Most of the south isn't like London. The most deprived town in England is Jaywick in Essex. The North really looks good when compared with that.
I live in Uruguay and I've never been to England. I am curious. To what extent does none of this North / South issue matter when you are more concerned with cultural issues in your nation of origin in South Asia? I understand that you are all very polite and this may seem impolite, however, it appears to us here that while you may have a unified market, you are not a unified nation. "England" seems to be coming unraveled. Even this video could be viewed as nostalgically looking at a divide that is no longer relevant because England isn't filled with English. I realize you probably cannot reply to that last sentence. Have you concerned emigration to a free nation like Uruguay?
The accent thing is interesting, because it neatly shows the London-centric nature of the country. You'll find several features of the accents of, say, Norfolk, are shared with the accents of Somerset. (Indeed sometimes some people mistake West Country and East Anglian accents!) It's not an accident, both are roughly the same distance from London. Language features that start in London tend to radiate outwards over the centuries as the local accents bend to the prestige of "London ways". So the modern day features of East Anglian and West Country speech both originated in London at the same point in time a few centuries ago!
Thanks for the Video. I'm from East Germany. Only one correction. The former East german GDR was kind of a sovereign state and not part of the Soviet Union (of course an allie and puppet.) And there is also an cultural and economic division still today. But the numbers from England you have shown, are really shocking. Greetings and keep on
So what did the FRD do right in East Germany that the British for more than a generation got wrong with it's stagnating northt? Study that Brits and implement it!
@@kryts27 Use the east Germans as a cheap land and labor force for export to richer markets like the US and rest of Europe. It's not going to work because the world has changed and that is a single point in time between the soviet collapse and development of Asia. Doing it now would be like asking everyone outside of the southwest to work a Bangladeshi wage. Especially not with high-level automation already happening and threatening to undercut the Bangladeshis themselves with the cost of electricity and a few maintenance techs.
@@mattheww.6232 That's utter bullshit. The West Germans paid (And are still paying) extra taxes for decades to help re-build East Germany. It is called Solidaritätszuschlag. Yes, wages are still slightly lower in certain parts of the new countys, but rents are lower there as well.
@antonycharnock2993 Polite seems to have different meanings in Britain and the States. In Southern England "polite" seems to mean formally following the "in-group" rules. In the US "polite" means "considerate/respectful."
@@mogznwaz Notice the last sentence. I admitted that this was my feeling. My individual experience is valid. You haven't argued against my point because you acknowledged nothing about it. Come up with an argument or an analysis. Petty insults degrade you, not me.
I'm always MORE than happy to go SouthWest, less so SouthEast...... The "myths" about Northerners being more friendly are NOT myths at all, its fact..... The older I get the less I like London, I get in and out as quickly as possible and its been that way since my mid 30's. I'm still convinced Osbourne's speech was about "The Northern POORHOUSE" and it was simply his accent that was misunderstood.
The movie Pride illustrates this point really well. It centres around a mining village in wales that was decimated by Thatcher (cunt) and really doesn’t hold back any punches about it.
My town in the north is full of southerners. 8 houses down my street, 5 are southern families and retirees. 3 or 4 bed detached house with massive garden, 275k. . . My neighbour says he had a tiny 2 bed flat for almost double the money, and his work commute was over an hour each way. F*** that.
Problem is they'll all move north and price out the locals from their hometowns. So they destroy our economy, make us poor then flood their own areas with millions of migrants from overseas and come and buy our houses up here. Stay home lol
Yep....transport in rural areas is awful, property prices are even more disproportionate to wages and commuting by trains and tube is living in a sardine can for 10 to 20 hours a week or sitting in a car, massive traffic jams, 20min journeys taking an hour to an hour and a half because of infrastructure overload on roads, and truly mindblowing parking or ulez costs or congestion charges, sucking the life and earnings out of you. I've lived south, north, east and west and in Scotland. I've lived rural, city and coastal. The worst quality of life was not in the North or Scotland.
Its the same story everywhere, here in the Netherlands we have the province called Groningen their is a use gasfield under it and they pumped so much out of it, at this point al houses are shaking from earthquakes and need repairs, but all the money that is earned is pumped in the Randstad (Around Amsterdam) and groningen gets nothing
It is indeed the same in the Netherlands. If you're born in the north, not only Groningen but also Friesland and Drenthe, you're immediately at a disadvantage in life. In the meantime, natural gas has been found in the north of Friesland. You can already figure out how this will turn out.
As someone from Manchester, I have had a lot of people talk to me randomly and I find that it has its own charm. However I've also been down to London and besides the rubbish, it's also pretty lovely.
You cant call Londoners rubbish 😂. To be fair a lot of Londoners have been moving up to our Manchester. Few lads in the gym say 'the people are just more real up here' 😂
There are some very affluent and pretty wealthy towns in the North of England, towns like Harrogate, Ilkley, Chester, York, Wilmslow and Durham etc and even big Northern cities like Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield have some very affluent areas, but in the main the poverty and lack of resources is far more stark in the North of England than it is in the South, and whilst there is wealth in the North, it is a lot more scattered around and in general, the South is just a lot richer. However, the South definitely has poverty, and I wouldnt even say that counties in the South West like Devon and Cornwall even count as the South as they are very culturally distinct and the accent sounds completely different from the South and the South Eastern English accent. Cornwall also has far more poverty than most places in England.
Born and raised in the north east of England and wouldn’t change it for the world! I’m proud to be northern and the kind nature we possess from our genuine and hard working grandparents and great grandparents
The biggest puzzle is why the internet (and latterly, covid) hasn't redistributed businesses and populations around the country. There is almost no need to live in or near to London, even if your job is based there these days.
Likely a lot of these "back to office" schemes. My mother works for HMRC, and in covid was fully remote, but right after was forced back into the office, and it doesn't make any real sense, shes more productive and its much easier to work from home, but they force people back in because they want control over their employees, even the government in this case.
Good point and this is something I have pondered about as well. I reckon the highest earning jobs in whatever field but likely to be financial and professional services in London will always be in sales and senior management and they are likely to live close to their workplace to faciliate commutes etc. The back office jobs which are lower paid can be moved elsewhere but since they can be moved they might as well move them to lower cost countries such as Poland or India.
That is a good question. Maybe it will even out in the long run? Though I do think it probably is about power, who controls things, who makes the decisions . For example, there's plenty of financial and legal services (eg conveyancing) that could be outsourced to some far away cheap nation, like so much other work has. But no, often it's legally required for some basic financial/legal thing to have to be done in the UK at a rate of £500 an hour + admin fees. While vital energy and safety systems are gleefully outscourced to the cheapest source that might have a go at doing it. Basically, it's not all about cost effectiveness. It's about being powerful enough to prevent competition and charge what you like. And that seems to be a big part of Londons wealth.
@@OrangeNash a lot of government departments & services like healthcare have moved HQ to the north so they are less likely to be interfered with by other agencies. The NHS called it “arms reach” & it worked. It’s ridiculous if you think about it.
It's really nice to see you grow the channel from parkour to everything. Honestly, the newer content just keeps getting better quality wise. Keep up the good work, bruv
Growing up is realising there is no north/south divide, just London vs everyone else. We have it just as rough in the westcountry with the added bonus of Londoners forcing us out of our homes by buying up every house in sight! It's impossible for a young person to even imagine owning a home over here so many are having to move away.
I'm 71, lived through this change and left in 1987. Thatcherism, the lack of investments in engineering, chemical & manufacturing industries. West Germany saw the US make major financial investmets so as to vastly out perform East Germany..so the comparison is not so easy. France though can be compared...all their governments, irrespective of party, supported their industries, their health srvices etc. I've been back a couple of times, seen the increasing deprivation in the midlands & north. My kids came back to have a look...liked the family re-union but were so thankful that we made the decsion to leave. So NZ & Australia is where my descendents are now.
Not everywhere in the north of England is poor and deprived. Also these days living in London is expensive to say the least. Plenty of deprived areas in London also. You can walk down a street of £1-2 million pounds houses and 5 mins down the road you can find an estate where it's like the end of the world.
As an American, one of the funniest things I ever saw was Jools Holland trying to interview Morrissey and pretty much every question he asked, Moz would just say, “well, you’re not northern so you wouldn’t understand.” Classic Moz
Im an american. My fiancée is from the north and ive fast fallen in love with the North during my visits to england. Its a damn shame what has been done to those people and there is so much potential there.
There’s poor people in the north and the south - middle class and wealthy too - the poor are equally poor - the middle class in the north are actually better off due to lower living costs - and the rich? They’re just rich either way - so the north south divide is actually the opposite to what people generally think nowadays
The divide starts at the Thames estuary, follows the river until the Dartford crossing, goes anticlockwise around the M25, and then down the M3. There ya go.
Exactly. I’m from Bristol, there’s an insane amount of homeless people and a pretty big population in poverty. There is plenty of rich people, and it always surprises me that on one street you get these huge million pound Victorian houses, then turn a corner and you have a mould-filled council block. The contrast is very jarring.
As an American, I can’t help but compare it to how the US basically stripped the Rust Belt states of their industrial might in favor of pushing jobs overseas. Same thing with the south, the deep south gets a reputation, similar to the north in England. But if you go down there, they are so poor it’s almost unimaginable in some states
Yep the same thing happened here. In order for a small minority of people to make more money it meant putting entire towns, city’s and eventually counties into decline and now we’re paying the price for it unfortunately.
I watch a guy called Peter Santanello on You Tube who visits all these places. Eye opening stuff. The Pittsburgh area ones are interesting because it reminds me of the downturn around Sheffield.
I partially agree, but only down to where it becomes the modern A429, as places like Chipping Campden, despite being north of the Fosse Way are definitely more southern economically
Gloucestershire born and bred here and with this county the line seems to be the M5. Anything east of it is more southern (Cheltenham, Cotswolds and Cirencester) and to the west is more northern (Gloucester, Forest of Dean and Tewkesbury)
@@driving_all_over Nah I disagree with this. In Gloucestershire we have a common dialect/accent across the county, although the Forest of Dean has a lot of its own quirks on account of being so close to the welsh border, but what you're describing isn't really a North/South thing, it's a wealth thing- Cotswolds, Cirencester, & Cheltenham are all known for being a lot more well off, though historically this hasn't always been the case- the Cotswolds had a lot of poverty as well as industry with the textile mills, but much like Cornwall and Devon, it's been heavily gentrified by second home owners from London. But having grown up in Gloucester and having working class family from the less nice bits of Cheltenham, close friends on the Forest side, and in the Cotswolds, I don't feel a particular cultural divide, it's way more class based imo. I get the tendency to lump the Forest of Dean on the North side, due to its heavy mining past, but Cornwall also has a strong mining history. I'd sooner put the Forest in with Wales than the North of England, but I think in reality it's a mix of Welsh and West Country. Gloucester I definitely wouldn't put in the North. It's definitely more working class than Cheltenham, but like a lot of the West Country has a big seafaring past despite being fairly inland, and a West Country accent similar to Bristol and Somerset. My point being there's plenty of other areas in the South West that are more deprived and working class, but we wouldn't class them as 'Northern' and I think culturally/historically it makes more sense to put Gloucestershire in with the rest of the South West as a whole due to all these things- accent/dialect, largely rural, cider & cheese making, fishing, seafaring, mining, mixture of poorer local areas with gentrified villages and second home owners, etc. Once you get to Tewkesbury and the north of the county though I tend to agree it feels more 'midlands' and the accent starts changing. Like a lot of people in this comments section have said though, the South West is it's own separate thing and shouldn't really be talked about in the same way as the rest of the 'South'
I'm not certain there is, in fact, a North/South divide in this country despite what people say. What there is, is a London & the South East/Rest of the Country divide. In the South West for example, we have the third lowest wages in the country by region, yet the second highest prices. This is due to Devonwall being completely taken over by Londoners and their second homes. Almost anything you can say about the North, you can also say about the South West and the Midlands.
I don't believe that at all. I live in Bucks which borders London and the worst thing that's ever happened is Londoners moving here. It's like an alien world. Fact is these arbitrary "divides" are really just fantasies taught to people. We don't have very much in common with the nearest town to us.
Thank you, this was very illuminating for this Czech-American living in Northeast England for the past 6 years. I have absolutely fallen in love with this part of the country and its people, the North has my heart.
Only one "i" in Westminster. There's Westminster and there's "Yes, Minister", there's no Westminister. I enjoy your videos, not meaning to be an arse. Cheers.
Americans do that all the time saying “Westminister” especially when referring to the idiotic dog show. Maybe one in a thousand would even know that a minster is a monastic chapel. Queen Elizabeth I kicked the monks out of Westminster Abbey once and for all after the left over Catholic monks from the reign of Queen Mary all tried to light tapers for her coronation as if they were getting ready to burn more Anglican heretics or something to that effect.
It's a little dig at Westminister, but he expects Westminister to solve the decline of old industries by finding billions of pounds to invest in the north.
Everyone needs more than their salary to be financial stable. The best thing to do with your money is to invest it rightly, because money left for saving always end up used with no returns.
The North of England had a massive impact on Canada, particularly in the Maritime Provinces (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island) Farmers, coal miners and shipbuilders from the North made up a large percentage of English-speaking settlement, especially in the earlier years. Northern English dialects in my opinion also had a very strong influence on the evolution of the Canadian accent, and again that's most obvious in the Maritimes (not Newfoundland as much, they largely sound Irish).
Hadrian's wall and Vikings shaped the North of England. We speak old English with Danish influences. Queen of England back in the industrial revolution moved heavy industry north. She would close her curtains as she passed through on the train to Scotland.
And the English think they are the *original* English when they aren’t The Cornish and welsh are the originals as the original inhabitants of England moved far west in to wales Devon Cornwall to escape Vikings etc Those in the east are most likely descendants of said Vikings and all invaders
I moved from Surrey Heath (Michael Gove territory) to Durham a couple years ago. I can't deny that there's less money and less opportunity up here but, somehow the quality of life is infinitely better. I much prefer being in a friendly community where neighbours still look out for each other, rather than seeing that Philip from across the road has bought himself a new Mercedes with a personalised number plate.
@@James-tu7vo cotton contributed more to the north’s economy and was more impactful in terms of employment, trade and urban development, one need only look at how Manchester and Leeds grew from very little to some of the world’s biggest cities at the time.
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Germany only got the 2tn of investment for Eastern Europe by taking money off of us and France through manipulation of the European fx mechanism.
what has london actually contributed to the world? the wealth is fictional just like magic swords, justice and royal DNA!
gonna start watching the video so ill make an edited message after but from thumbnail and videos that talk about north vs south in general is not great when they never really talk about the fact that there is plenty of areas down south that is exactly like up north, the only difference being is the neighbourhood next to yours is super rich meaning the avg gdp or the wealth is much more higher than it really is if you look at pure stats
(forgot to add from the last paragraph) me being from the south and nearly all houses in my area being council housing so its low income with a few rich people, most people live in tower blocks its only the very wealthy or middle class (who moves out soon after) that live in these types of housing where its posh, look at the ONS most people outside of places like inner london own their home and inner london areas are like 70-90% council estates/blocks or non-fully owned housing some benefits is the transport but even that is packed to the brim with not enough buses running the management seems bad in general
how many rich ppl work hard and how many hard working ppl are rich? its as if there not related
As a northerner I’d just like to say that there are excellent people from all regions of the UK. The politicians put us all in this mess, don’t let them divide us. Great vid bruv ❤🇬🇧
I went up to Bolton for the fuel company I was working for in London to troubleshoot a problem with a van build, and the owner of the van builders was like forget getting a hotel, I've got a spare room... so I stayed with his family for the week. Went out for dinner, watched the football... that's unimaginable in the south! I met a camp of northerners at a music festival, and they were blown away that I was going around making friends, because they were finding that no one wanted to talk to them... I've come to realise that I don't fit in with a lot of people in the south, which had me convinced for some time that I was really odd, or socially anxious. I'm not, but I pick up really strongly on everyone ELSE'S social anxiety when I'm surrounded by people who don't want to talk to each other, and certainly don't relate well to someone who is friendly and open in a way that they can't deal with.
Problem is who voted on them. You UK voters have to bring accountability toward yourselves bruv. You are no different than those "complaining" minorities.
I was surprised to be told to keep my Yorkshire accent by a kindly old couple from Kent whom I was serving while working in leicester.my colleagues,two of them,thought that I was too loud.the boss accused me of shouting when I was just raising my voice to attract the bosses attention for something.if I was shouting then that would have been much higher in decibels.
As a northerner can I say this other northerner is talking bollocks he's been brainwashed by southerners. Thwre are no decent southerners
As a Northerner I'd like to say: this presenter is a wanker and so are all of his chums.
Newly qualified train drivers can only drive on southern lines for 5 years before they are allowed onto the older rail systems further north, that shows the lack of development in one swoop
Or the concentration of this declining nations investment, dependant on your viewpoint.
Thatcher screwed everything up.
in my northern city we just got new trains after FORTY YEARS. and if im correct those old trains were hand me downs from the south…
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@@7Lace77 Iron Lady, head so thick it would sink in a river.
I am Spanish bloke that moved here in 2007 and I have learned more about Uk recent history and culture with your videos than with all that I have been through this years. You managed to find the sweet spot between documentation and fun.
Como te mudaste al Reino Unido??
@@bruhmoment2880 He moved in 2007, Reino Unido fue parte de UE en ese entonces. How do you not know that?
I'm from Cornwall.
When I was in uni in Lancashire i wound up talking to a Scottish guy, and at one point we said in unison "Bloody southerners/northerners... no, not you, you're too far south/north."
We shortly realised that when we said south/north what we really meant was London and it's surrounds.
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A Cornishman will know perhaps better than anyone just how devastating wealth inequality has ruined his own home. Cornwall is overrun with ignorant Londoners cleaning up over their property sales.
Being in Cornwall, everywhere is the north 😂. I’m from the the north east and I don’t view people in the south west the same as I do the the south east..
Yeah Devon and Cornwall have their own thing going. But Dorset and Somerset are definitely still included in the "south" I would say...
I'm Geordie and thoroughly share your distaste for London.
it’s interesting to me that these “northerner vs southerner” stereotypes are reversed in the US
I'd say the North is equivalent to America's rust belt rather than the southern states
I had the same thought. They also have the east vs west culture to spice it up too.
Same with the party colours, blue over here (the UK) is right leaning and red is left leaning
Even that’s now reversing as people move from the rust belt and California to the sun belt states
New England is folks from England, the south was the Scotch-Irish
As someone who spends roughly equal amounts of time in both London and Yorkshire, I can say the investment & infrastructure divide is enormous. Northern cities/villages are generally fine but the towns are literally falling apart.
Well said I 100% agree with your assessment.
Not just the towns, the schools too!
Last time I went to London, they'd "invested" in talking bins... children around me are living in poverty and they have talking flipping bins.
It might be terrible being a northerner economically speaking, but at least I am not a southerner.
that's the 'north-south' spectrum forya
Hell yeah!
I lived and grew up in London, moved up to Manchester for 3.5 years after university. What I can tell you - southerners don’t think about the north or northerners. But northerners can’t stop thinking about southerners. I had northerners thinking everyone in London is millionaires, which is just funny
@@t3rry260makes me wonder. How much does a little flat gonna run me in London
@@kamakaziozzie3038 don’t know, we can’t afford them 😂 end of the day, I’m paying £1,400 for a flat without bills. Hence why I’m moving to Scotland soon
I'm from Somerset and we've got a lot more in common with the north than we have londoners. It's not a north-south divide, it's the south east and everyone else.
yeah, think generally people "think" of it as a diagonal line, we might say north south... but no one thinks wales or the west country is the same as london.
but beyond that, I think up north we miss the outsized scale of london... I live in Medway in kent for close on a decade, and while everyone was very "southern", there was alot of poverty and basically no amenites... everything sinks into the blackhole of london.
Now I'm back in the north, and in the time it used to take to get the train into london if I wanted to do anything, I can be in Leeds, Bradford, Manchester or Shefield, ;
each of which has more to do than anywhere in Kent.
No way I'd move back down to a London commuter town, and I couldn't afford to move to anywhere nice in London... but I do kinda wish that people in power remembered that the country doesn't end when you cross the M25, cause it does kinda suck living in a country that's poorer than the poorest US state, and most of Europe, we're one of the wealthiest cities in the world with one of the poorest "western" countries teathered to it.
Somerset is poorer, then the North. I live in Somerset but have just been up, in the North.
Some areas of Somerset are nice, the others are Minehead
similar with east anglia
I'm from the south east (Southampton) and it absolutely is not. Our infrastructure is falling apart and it also takes us 1.5 hours to take a train to London -- it's faster to drive on the motorway.
It's more like London vs everyone else.
Or more like Inner London vs everyone else. Outer London isn't that great either, after all Croydon is a crock of shit.
I feel like we often make the mistake of conflating GPD with wealth. When you look at the average house, flat, HMO in the south and the associated costs, it's quite clear that despite the larger amount of money circulating, no one is any better off.
I work for one of the nations biggest companies who HQ in Leeds. The job funds my 4 bed, double gardened, detached house. A few years ago a rival company offered me a position doing the exact same job for them but in London. The salary was significantly higher. I was genuinly tempted and started looking into it. When factoring in housing costs, travel expenses, commute times, nhs/school availability, air and water quality, general crowdedness, i wouldve had less disposable income, downgraded my 4 bed detached to a shitty old terrace, have less free time, less privacy, less health. Not to mention things like having roads so crowded theres little point keeping my cars, being further away from the countryside.
So while i wouldve been 'richer' due to a much higher salary, i'd have had significantly less spendable money and a much lower quality of life.
London is a financial stronghold for the rich and powerful. So much of our countries wealth pools in that city and quietly fills the pockets of oligarchs, board executives, friends of MPs, and "heads of industry".
Most of whom are foreign property owners weirdly enough
@@intboom What's weird about it... the government loves selling out it's own people for foreigners, rich or poor.
and all of which are completely safe since they picked the right country... as if the english would ever even try to get their thumbs out off their collective ass's and act.
@@intboom might sound weird but that's how things really go under late capitalism
It all comes off the back off boots on the ground hard working people., north produces south skims like a parasite
Half my town was flattened to rebuild, ready for the HS2. Now it's scrapped, we're just left with a big empty space, and a multistorey carpark for all the shops that aren't being built
What town?
What town?
Heh that's Crewe, that car park is a white elephant like seriously, its a joke
@@RaithSphere really is a shame.
I see an opportunity to buy cheap land 😂
It's London and the home counties vs everyone else. Some of the most impoverished, deprived parts of the UK are on the south coast and those communities are repeatedly neglected because of this kind of rhetoric.
Tourism takes a hit when breadline Britain is the norm and the poorest can’t afford a day out or to eat out anymore is soon trickles back up the classes but we all know who it never reaches.
Spot on! London swallows up the south. I’m in the West Country, an hour on the train to London and it costs 60 quid off peak to comments in and on peak is well over 100. Home workers from London have ruined the housing market by buying up houses here and driving prices up as they commute in.
The coastal communities are in a right mess.
it really is just Britain vs london now
London has ruined the entire country.
A lad I know from Hungary went to Sheffield recently as part of a university thing, he studies nuclear physics, they have a power plant or something nearby that his university in Hungary do a program with. Anyway, he said he was stunned by how poor it was. He said the streets of the towns and cities in Hungary were cleaner, safer, richer and more modern. Truly sums it all up.
Budapest is actually a nice city. I didn’t see any poverty in the centre of Budapest.
In Hungary, you have to go to very rural villages in the middle of nowhere to see signs of the Cold War Eastern Bloc, where it looks a bit more like the Borat film.
Interestingly I’ve been to many countries and the UK is the only place where I’ve experienced obnoxious chavs. I really don’t miss chavs when I’m out the UK.
Inferiority complex, I reckon. I mean nothing against the lad, I don’t know him. What I do know, though, is that growing in Central/Eastern Europe (I’m Polish myself), we often tend to draw a surreal, childishly optimistic picture of the so-called Old Europe in our heads. Then, as we go there, it turns out that no, grass ain’t always greener on the other side of the Iron Curtain.
Friend literally lived through the Soviet Union said that much of England outside of London, literally is shittier and has a worse quality of life than what they lived through during the Soviet collapse.
Also on what you said, Sheffield is actually one of the nicest cities of the North outside of it's dreadful city center due to it being where all the Hippies/Bohemians have escaped after being gentrified out of Bristol and it's closeness to the peak district, Sheffield actually has some of the richest suburbs in the UK (Whirlow, Ranmoor), but yes, it's city center might be one of the most depressing in the country.
Exactly why I want to leave my home country 🙏🏼
@@KironVB Just to make matters clear: been to Sheffield twice (I think). Can’t really say I’ve loved it there or what not, yet, were I to put together a list of the most horrible cities I’ve ever visited, it certainly wouldn’t make it. Not even close. I guess it’s much more about “expectations vs reality” than the actual Sheffield. I mean, if you grew up in Hungary (which - politics aside - seems a kinda nice place to live) and had that idealistic picture of the West in your head, you might be in for a surprise while actually going there.
As for the Soviet friend: it’s worth bearing in mind that the USSR was effin’ enormous (which the commies loved to remind everyone about) AND almost equally diverse (which they would never, ever publicly admit). Despite decades of uravnilovka, the quality of life could vary wildly region to region or even town to town. So yeah, I can believe the person used to live in a place less shitty than a bunch of present parts of England.
From growing up in the UK it’s always been the same things said by politicians throughout my whole life. Of “we will invest into the north” and never following through.
Great to see such a well produced video about the north south divide in the uk.
Its literally just London and surrey that recives funding almost no different apart from the accent anywhere else in the south
While they said that all young people move down south from the north to get jobs, I am related to and know people in their 20s who have moved up north from due south. This is so they can afford housing.
@@georgecarr9844London, South East England & East Anglia pay more in tax than they get back, while the rest of the UK pays less in tax than they get back.
"We have to invest in London's infratructure to cope with the growing numbers."
....Then London's commuter hub proceeeds to expand....
"We have to invest in London's infratructure to cope with the growing numbers."
....Then London's commuter hub proceeeds to expand....
"We have to invest in London's infratructure to cope with the growing numbers."
....Then London's commuter hub proceeeds to expand....
Meanwhile all the investment that should be going to the North, or at least the share that should go to the North just gets spent in London.
What an absolutely BRILLIANT, well-researched, intelligent video! Excellent insight and analysis.
He says west minister ffs 😅
London has ruined the entire country.
as someone from up north (yorkshire) i have no hatred for southerners but instead for the joke of a government that just dont care about us up here
I am from west yorkshire❤
I'm sure there's a smidgen of truth to that statement. However, my old town of Halifax has the Piece Hall a great venue. Modernising the town bringing in people (Money). Yet the locals just complain about the cost all the time. It's infuriating, we need to move away from the habits that make us unattractive for investment....
@@Gaming145xrironically, South Yorkshire
What also needs to be understood is that a lot of the wealth generated in the North during the industrial boom was extracted to London which was used to invest in these less heavy industries in London.
not to mention all the loot from the empire that was spent on london
And the wool and steel industries. The North was the powerhouse of country but the money went into the pockets of the rich landowners, who invested it in the South. Now they are taking the money from the South and hiding it off shore. The country is being stripped by the rich.
@@vihankrishna9644 not to mention a lot of the industries Thatcher shut down were actually profitable but sacrificed to gain London preferential deals with Europe, coal mining, ship building, yards on tyneside closed because they were kept on preferred lists for government contacts meaning they had no access to EU subsidies, swan hunters closed because the government refused to pay money owed to them.
My Grandparents were from Nelson, Lancashire and moved to Australia way back in the 1920’s because they could see no future with the local weaving mills closing. Grandma was always cheerful, friendly and everyone loved her. They could never afford to go back and always held a love for their home town that they passed on to me. My husband and I visited Nelson last year and the little terrace house where they lived still stands, looking very sad and neglected. I was surprised how pretty the North of England actually is. It’s such a shame, the area has so much potential. It’s like the heart of the country has been broken.
The luckiest thing to happen to me is that I was born a Northerner.
The unluckiest thing to happen to me is that i was born a Northerner.
When theres remote working anyone can get those high paid tech jobs in either region
Well said
Tf you doing in this comment section
Like it.
luckiest thing to happen to me is not being born in the uk or anywhere near it
Every US problem: "so basically Reagan..."
Every UK problem: "so basically Thatcher..."
Neoliberalism.
@@Not-Important823 the socialist scare halted progress for decades, and still today
Well, they were both in power during the same time.
Thatcher: 1979 - 1990
Reagan: 1981 - 1989
What happened during the same time in Australia and Canada?
When I moved 20yrs ago to the UK, I was shocked; for example in my country over 80% of public trains were electrified; also bus and train is nationalised, this means, when the train is late, the bus doesn't leave until it arrives - but not in the UK, it's run by different companies, the times are not synced and therefore your commute is not just useless expensive, it is also very time consuming and not reliable.
With car my commute takes 45 minutes, with public transport close to 3hrs; this is how good public transport is, also it's not reliable.
They say Thatcher inspired Reagan and we in UK think Thatcher was inspired by Reagan.
One thing is definitely known as fact that both of them were cunts.
True though
Grew up in Cambridgeshire, moved to Lancashire for uni and never left.
Northerners are made from tougher stuff but my goodness can you count on them to have a right good laugh with and a shoulder to cry on; all the while they’re telling ya how much of a great big jessie you’re being.
‘Your all southerners to me’-some Scottish lass probably
Truth!!! Even the Scottish Central Belt is southern to me
Edinburgh is just like the south east of England high cost of living for example I live in the north of Scotland
@@loganclark1206 damn it goes all the way to the top
@@elaineb7065 Truth! Even Inverness is southern to me
@@klonscopfa You're right up in the far north then!!! I'm just a Doric quine in coastal Aberdeenshire
It makes me so angry that the North is disregarded and marginalized in this way. I studied in Newcastle for a year as a guest student and just fell in love with the North. These places deserve so much better.
R u agitated?
@@lervish1966 r u a person?
@@antonnurwald5700 I am a consciousness and so are you.
If you think the way the North is treated is bad, how do you think us in the Midlands feel? Apparently we don't even exist and we just get labelled as Northern or Southern depending on who you ask, despite the fact we have our own history/culture and pretty much powered the country for decades. Hell, there are many places in the Midlands that a far more economically deprived than anywhere in the North.
@@jordanwood3150 Victim
video thoroughly enjoyed, efforts greatly appreciated for all you do
-sincerely,
a northerner
It's always a North South conversation but the South West gets the same treatment as the North. It's basically London + 70 mile radius vs the rest of England.
Exactly
Not to mention that a lot of coastal towns end up in a dire state regardless of where in the country they are
@@MercenaryPenbecause you prefer to vacation in Mallorca
@@EmmaKing30 Yeah, its a lot nicer than this shithole
Like how Scottish nationalists rag on the English who have it worse than them because it feels better to keep it simple. It really is the London-rUK divide. The government even has different rates for expenses and salaries because the economic gap is that undeniable.
The South is posh? Man i've been to Portsmouth and the whole town smells like fish
Best comment
The South isn't posh. It's just ¡gnorant.
Funny that it's a port town where fish get moved lol
As someone from the southwest, we're in a unique position. The north lumps us in with the rest of the south, assuming we're stuck up nobs. And the rest of the south ignore us completely, like they seem to do to the north. So we're treated like pompous rich folk despite massive poverty rates. The worst of both worlds!
I went to university there, its half full of the worst members of society (the other half are normal though)
What a brilliant presentation. I am from a mining family and have witnessed both sides of this having worked nationwide for all my working career on britains electricity transmission network. The attitude and social anecdotes are spot on and the overall political commentary is excellent and I will reference this video to bolster my explanation if the moth south divide in future to those that continue to deny it exists. Fantastic work
As a Midlander, whilst I am fully for a three-part divide, the best way to see what parts of the midlands are north vs south is to ask locals if theyd be more offended being called northern or southern. Everyone ive asked this too in the west midlands say theyd be more offended being called southern than northern.
Can confirm. -Slappy-Nottz.
My dad calls anyone from below watford a 'southern monkey' he's from Birmingham 😂 edit the Watford gap that is*
Spare a thought for East Anglia. 😢
"Are you Northern or Southern?"
"No."
"A Midlander then?"
"No."
(though the South can have Cambridge!)
Same here, where I’m from in the West Midlands we can relate more to the north than the south
@@rendondo214 Same here in the East Midlands, we just have more in common with the North and can understand them perfectly and speak to strangers also. South is just a world of it's own and they make sure to remind people. Midlands we aren't too affected if I'm honest (apart from Birmingham recently) but we look out for each other in the Midlands.
I dont ever see the government ever investing besides the bare minimum. HS2 was a sign of that. They just said "good enough" and gave up on half of it. It's been the same old shit since I made the mistake of becoming aware of politics when I was 10.
I would have given up earlier if I paid attention to politics at that age. lol
HS2 is a giant waste of time and money.
UK has an unofficial caste system based on accent, region and class. Even Lord Sugar admitted it, that despite being a billionare, he will never be accepted in the old boys/rich club because of his accent and Working Class background.
@@joelhall5124 It is now.
HS2 is just a way to funnel money to investors and shareholders . nothing more....
England has finally become Italy, but upside down
Without the good weather, of course.
Never understood northerners saying us southerners were unfriendly. London has properly ruined our rep lol. I live in rural south and u can't go on a walk without getting at least one persons life story. Swear it's not the north v south but just the English vs London lol.
Absolutely right
I agree, I wonder why London is so unfriendly. I wonder if it is because of diversity as people do tend to stick to their own despite what some people say who don’t actually live in a diverse place
Some of the southerners that have moved up here have sometimes seemed a bit wooden. Maybe it's something to do with that. It's just something I picked up on over the years
@@TayWoode it's because we have to get to our 8hour job via trains that are on strike to pay rent that eats up 70% of our monthly wage. We aren't in the mood for a bloody chat.
I genuinely believe “friendliness” is about personality and perspective.
I was born and raised in Nottingham. Came to London with my children aged 38. Worked as an RN my entire adult life in the NHS. I’ve remained in London ever since. I strike up conversations with people all the time. I find it to be vibrant and friendly.
You'll find heavily deprived areas up and down the country and, while the north has undoubtedly suffered, the north/south divide is often just that - a tool used to divide us, so it's always disappointing to see a comment section full of people parroting the usual stereotypes. Come down to the fuckin' coast in Essex, you'll find we've got a hell of a lot more in common with each other than with those in ivory towers.
Divide and conquer.
A TH-camr pushing a divisive lie for attention? Perish the thought!
@@Clownacy sad how many people are falling for it.
I went to visit friends in Essex and he took us to the coast. I'm sorry mate but you are far better off than the north, you can visibly see it in the buildings and businesses you see there. You can tell there is money and investment. So no, even if you don't have the ivory towers of London, you still benefit from location and proximity to London.
I was raised in a northern steel town in the early 2000’s. I currently live in an ex mining town in South Yorkshire. Now working as a consultant, regularly traveling down South, the divide in wealth is really hard to put into perspective, it’s beyond vast. Saying that, some northern towns are slowly seeing investment and job opportunities in other industries. However, the ex-miners that still reside struggle to adapt to fit into these new industries.
I bet when you travel down 'South' it's just to London or the home counties. You've probably never step foot in the south west.
Ex-mining towns in the north east is still full of houses that you can buy for £20k.
That shows you how devastated the local economy was and how it hasn’t recovered to this day.
As a northerner I can tell you there are 3 southern accents not two as you say. You forgot "farmer" which prevails in places like Bristol.
Multiply that by ten and you might be close 😂
Bristol is south west though 🤷🏻♂️
@@KieranCrown north/south divide...
I live in Norfolk, I'm not from here but "yews roight, bah"... I call it the 'oo-arh factor', and weirdly I even heard it from a farmer who was born and bred and lived in the midlands... I wonder if it's actually original English, uncorrupted by 'foreign influences'..
@@jamieswain4888 But we in the West Country don't regard ourselves as Southerners. We hate Londoners/home counties Tw@s just as much as Northerners, infact we hate you both equally. Its probably because you both got conquered by the Danes and we didn't.
I was born down south but my Dad is from Manchester and his parents and my uncle and aunt live in Derbyshire, so spent a lot of time up there as a child and picked up the accent. Imo the north, especially parts like the peaks are so much better than the south, it's actually pretty and everybody it way nicer
Clearly never been to the cotswolds and Cornish coast. Easily the prettiest parts of the UK.
@harrymail7 I have been down to Cornwall a lot, they do rival some parts of the north but I don't think they beat it
@Caplonky5 Cotswalds is easily the most beauiful part of England and has been voted so many times.
That's where all locations from fairy tales and fantasy films originate.
@@harrymail7 yeah Iven never been there so thats why i didnt mention it
Problem with the Cotswolds is it's full of "just moved out from London-ers" who've won on the property ladder and have decided London is too edgy to raise Tarquin and Tabitha so they sell up send the stuff ahead and roll up the M40 in the Range (Rover)👍
As a Northerner, I get to define where the North is.
If you live below Sheffield, you're a southerner.
The people of Devon, Cornwall, Somerset and maybe Dorset are also honorary Northerners (and I expect we are honorary South Westerners), they have moors, good food, a folksy vibe and their accents aren't grating to listen to.
Essentially, the rest of Middle and Southern England is just one big blob that I drive through on my way to nicer places.
KING IN THE NORTH!
Fully agreed, sick of hearing people from Nottingham and stoke thinking they’re northern
i live in one of these old "coal mining" towns and there's literally nothing to do. crime is rampant because we STILL don't have jobs even 50 years later, councils are corrupt as hell and we barely get any funding compared to southern towns
My partner lives in one and it is pretty much a shithole.
absolutely agree. i live in a town called peterlee, surrounded by colliery villages: horden, easington, shotton, hetton etc.. the state of places like this with little industry in and around just send places like this into a downward spiral. we just get forgotten about up here even by the left who use us for fundamental support, but never change anything
@@ethanjames0902same here in Berwick upon tweed the border town, I’m as north of England as you can get considering a war was fought to claim it as scottish or English, there’s no jobs here at all and your better off selling dr**s to make a living, the council took away our parks as they were “unsafe” and half our shops are shut down, literally a town that’s only running off tourists, as an ice cream van worker at the holiday park it’s good for me but not for the town😂
@@ethanjames0902 I feel your pain, I'm from Durham - we drive through Peterlee at speed if we can.
Jokes aside, the whole area has been on the slide since the last financial crisis. For example (if you hadn't heard), Wikos closed their store in Newcastle centre about 18 months ago.
If anyone reading that doesn't understand how bad that is then, well, congratulations, you're lucky.
Geordie here. Yep. That's pretty much it. I'm having to move to work. My heart is still thoroughly in the North East, I'll be back as soon as I can. It's got many issues, but it's home.
As an American, who has been to the UK numerous times, I have to say that Im in love with the North.
The buildings are cool and the people are quite chill I guess
@@RyanGoslingthestonecoldsigmayou guess?! We are proper chill up north. Even my southern wife agrees
@@V1CT1MIZEDyou seem pretty unchill about being chill
As an Englishman from the North west, I’ve travelled the whole east coast of America and I fell in love with the ‘poor’ south. The people are more friendly and genuine.
Im from Newcastle and currently in my final year, the lack of opportunity here is bizarre which forces a lot of us to migrate down south in search of those high paying jobs. I hope I can score a good marketing job that'll allow me to work from home so I can stay close to family.
Things are gonna get much worse soon. Not for you personally I hope, but in general its gonna be 10 times worse than the 70s were or what is now.
the UK depends entirely on US now and they are doing very bad right now and its gonna get worse with dedolarization.
@@robotube7361 'the UK depends entirely on US now' not really, we established a trade hub and financial sector before america was united.
I get the average joe today isn't very smart and gets spoon fed their information from a biased media outlet but c'mon.... wake up.
@@shredhead67You really know how to win people over, don't you?
@@martinjohnson1534Why bother trying to win over someone who is so clearly wrong? Robotube clearly didn't engage their brain when the Star told them only the US matters.
I swear thats Jimmy Carr on the left of the thumbnail.
Pretty sure too.
Yes, it is. I'm pretty sure the one on the right, is the guy from Brassic (I can't remember his name).
Haha yeah
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR The guy who plays Vinnie? (Joe Gilgun)
@@Thefan_Studio Yeah that's the one... Before the tattoos obviously.
whos better? North or South?
Northerners - The North
Midlanders - The North
Southerners - The North
Scottish - Ah!! Non Of 'em!!!
No one worries about what the Jocks say, don’t flatter yourself . Almost as bad as the Welsh , bless .
Irish - i hate them all equal
Scotland forever!
What do the Welsh say? Or does no one listen to them?
@@thomasdevine867 no one listens to them
Brexit hating northerner here.
The northerner stereotype has really done so much damage. When you go down to London people do think you're daft.
Tables have turned now though as everyone who didn't go to school at Eton is viewed as a sponge now. Londoner's don't have it so great now either, our youth go abroad to get opportunities now. Far play to em
With our politicians, I see it as anybody who went to Eton is a sponge. None of them seem intelligent they just know how to talk/scam people. Gift of the gab.
Coming from the West Country I very much feel like we shouldn't be put in the same bracket as London. We have more in common with Northerners and I pronounce Bath as 'Baff'.
I always find we’re forgotten in these sorts of conversations, lump us in with London when the south west is more north adjacent.
The true souff is like a lost toy.
You remember, but don't think about it much
bois there was a literal diagonal line on a map shown in this very video. there was also a separate image showing the disparity of wealth between all the different areas.
you weren't put in the same bracket
Blame the London lot for buying up all our houses for their holiday homes
Loved going to torquay back in the day. Very friendly people in Devon.
Easiest way to put it is that MOST of England, the North, Scotland and even Northern Ireland DO NOT like to be controlled or ruled by London which is in the South. It's been like that for centuries. South England aka London and its surroundings don't seem to think it's a big deal.
Wales and the South West dont like being controlled by London either
It's even weirder how newspapers and organization's in London barely address anything in the outer boroughs let alone any other county, it's like they want us to be oblivious to anything goibg on that isn't in westminister.
wouldn't jt make more sense for the entire country to be able to know what's going on in other county's so we could find unity and try and solve problems instead of funnelling every single pound into Westminster
The problem is that if it wasn’t for the productivity of London all those places would be bankrupt and enjoying the venezuela/ soviet bloc lifestyle
Basically yes, apart from Northern Ireland I think they love London ruling over them tbh.
Hey Jimmy.
28yr old Scotsman here, this was extremely educational for me, I wish a lot more people would see this. It'd humble a lot of people to hear the facts in this perspective. It's probably not of interest to the viewers but I'd love a similar video from you on the state of relations between our countries over a similar timescale.
Big ups, great video ❤
I find it mad being called posh while living in a pissy council estate in east London 😅
His views are out of date. He doesn't realise we're all just North Africa now, and if you thought the future looked grim before...
Full of muslims*
You're not posh but you're still a wanker
😉
Poshy spice over here
Come up here and that council estate won't look so bad
It's pretty great living in the North East and being able to look at the bottom of every graph you showed and going "hey there we are again!" lmao
Middlesbrough moment
As someone from blackpool who now lives in Exeter I find it hilarious when friends tell me "up north" is anything north of Bristol. It took 7 hours on the coach heading south the get to Bristol from Blackpool, and there's still a good 150 miles or so further north past Blackpool before you reach Scotland.
It's just a joke. Just like how people in Cornwall say Exeter is up north. Obviously they don't really mean it.
That's the horror of UK transport for you. Blackpool to Gretna Green is 100 miles btw.
This is helpful for Americans like me to understand. Thank you.
You must be a super fan to watch this if Yr not even British. Im welsh+I am a super fan. 😂😂😂
@mazzame6480 i wouldn't say that. I'm just curious about things. It's always been confusing how conservative and left for British mean totally different things than the US. Here, our labor workers(im a fuel hauler/trucker myself) are almost all conservative, but not in anyway pro big government unlike the U.K. labor party. It's just interesting. The pro government people in the US are not conservative and are the ones in big tech like the southern Britain's.
@@BillyBulletPewPew same. I'm not from the UK but rather the Netherlands. BUT ITS SO INTERESTING!!! Also this guy just explains it so well
@sid86588 yeah he does.
@@mazzame6480 you like Ren?
It's so funny to me cause I can relate 💯 as a nigerian 🇳🇬 living in uk cause my country is going through the same phase but with "OIL" not coal and the north and south divide is astonishing.
Hello, good morning did you wake up well?
(If you are not Yoruba and this terribly unfunny, pardon me)
😂😂
Here. *This* is the cause of Britain's decline. But the same politicians and oligarchs, who've profited from Britain's lack of investment, say "No, it's not us stealing your money, it's foreigners! Don't look at us, look at the foreigners! Keep looking, that's it."
London is an evil city. London has enjoyed ruining the country. I’ve always said London carries a curse with it
My aunt moved to Sheffield because the civil service decided to relocate a bunch of departments there in the 80s. Later I rememebr the Blair government invested a lot in revitalising Northern towns. The whole Salford docks areas is evidence of that. The problem was a few flashy rennovation schemes or government initiatives don't make up for a thriving economy based on a network of private industries. The one thing that could really help the north, proper infrastructure and transport so that you could have a commuter based economy like London is the thing that they never do because it is too difficult. I mean another example apart from HS2 - Manchester was supposed to have an underground train system in the 1970s - the Picc Vic - that was never built.
As always Jimmy, an absolutely brilliant job with yet another mini documentary. Can't believe how incredible your content has got over the last several years since your parkour/freerunning content.
I live in Bournemouth (about as south as it gets) and our town is slowly going the way of so many Northern communities. Covid really exacerbated it, but it's crazy thinking back 10 years ago how the town center was lit up, shops were open, we had town fairs and events, compared to now where the high street looks completely abandoned. There's been scaffolding on and off the old Beales department store for years but nothing is ever done to it, all the buildings in the town center are owned by firms and I'm not joking when I say half of the biggest ones just lie unused, just all this beautiful Victorian architecture that you can literally see nature reclaiming. We used to have a really good, no-questions-asked night shelter, but their policy changed and made it super difficult to get in so now you just get loads and loads of crackheads wandering the streets hassling everyone. Recently I've been seeing a lot more council sponsored public art projects, murals on large structures and the like, and it just comes as this massive f___ you to the whole town, painting pretty art over it instead of addressing the damn problems in the first place. I don't know why but it seems like everyone's just given up on the place
The UK is basically just London with a country attached to it, back at some point (maybe it was under Thatcher, I forget) I think it was Manchester that was actually gonna pass London in how rich it was but London used Westminister to make that economically non viable which ensured London would remain the largest & richest city in the country.
But hey, with how bloated & innefficient the NHS is soon instead of London being a city with a country attached the NHS will take that role as the entire GDP of Britain goes towards funding your international health service.
The Furtive Midlands, so easily forgotten...
Dank souls
Dank souls
Mercia
@@charlesmiv3842 make Mercia an anglo-saxon kingdom again
Too bloody right. The west midlands conurbation is as big as London. Once you've seen some paintings, and some antique plates and spoons, there is nothing to do in Birmingham apart from shop or drink. The idea of a cultural weekend in Brum is a joke, and it's Britain's second city.
Northerners are proud of being Northerners. Especially those from Yorkshire.
Southerners are not proud of it, we just take it for granted that the South is best.
Joking aside : northerners' distrusting of southerners is annoying, I have no problem with northerners, I just wish it was mutual.
Unfriendliness isn't a Southern thing, it's a London thing. Most of the south isn't like London.
The most deprived town in England is Jaywick in Essex. The North really looks good when compared with that.
Those of us in devon and Cornwall are very proud of where were from as well
I live in Uruguay and I've never been to England. I am curious. To what extent does none of this North / South issue matter when you are more concerned with cultural issues in your nation of origin in South Asia? I understand that you are all very polite and this may seem impolite, however, it appears to us here that while you may have a unified market, you are not a unified nation. "England" seems to be coming unraveled. Even this video could be viewed as nostalgically looking at a divide that is no longer relevant because England isn't filled with English.
I realize you probably cannot reply to that last sentence.
Have you concerned emigration to a free nation like Uruguay?
>"They use northern accents in adverts because they seem more trustworthy"
> Shows an advert containing a West Country accent
If you think about it, the West Country is like the North of the South...
The accent thing is interesting, because it neatly shows the London-centric nature of the country. You'll find several features of the accents of, say, Norfolk, are shared with the accents of Somerset. (Indeed sometimes some people mistake West Country and East Anglian accents!) It's not an accident, both are roughly the same distance from London. Language features that start in London tend to radiate outwards over the centuries as the local accents bend to the prestige of "London ways". So the modern day features of East Anglian and West Country speech both originated in London at the same point in time a few centuries ago!
Well the West Country is considered as north for the home counties
As soon as theres an accent youre from up norf m8
That was an weird mix Irish accent
Thanks for the Video. I'm from East Germany. Only one correction. The former East german GDR was kind of a sovereign state and not part of the Soviet Union (of course an allie and puppet.) And there is also an cultural and economic division still today. But the numbers from England you have shown, are really shocking. Greetings and keep on
So what did the FRD do right in East Germany that the British for more than a generation got wrong with it's stagnating northt? Study that Brits and implement it!
@@kryts27 Use the east Germans as a cheap land and labor force for export to richer markets like the US and rest of Europe. It's not going to work because the world has changed and that is a single point in time between the soviet collapse and development of Asia.
Doing it now would be like asking everyone outside of the southwest to work a Bangladeshi wage. Especially not with high-level automation already happening and threatening to undercut the Bangladeshis themselves with the cost of electricity and a few maintenance techs.
@@mattheww.6232 That's utter bullshit.
The West Germans paid (And are still paying) extra taxes for decades to help re-build East Germany. It is called Solidaritätszuschlag. Yes, wages are still slightly lower in certain parts of the new countys, but rents are lower there as well.
0:19 i live in the ??? part
ok
Ew, midlanders
As an American. British Northerners are polite but informal. British Southerners are formal but lack manners. Or that's very much how it feels.
Northerners will be wary/polite until they are comfortable with you.
@antonycharnock2993 Polite seems to have different meanings in Britain and the States. In Southern England "polite" seems to mean formally following the "in-group" rules. In the US "polite" means "considerate/respectful."
Rubbish. Stop being so ignorant and stereotypical
@@thomasdevine867No it means polite/respectful everywhere
@@mogznwaz Notice the last sentence. I admitted that this was my feeling. My individual experience is valid. You haven't argued against my point because you acknowledged nothing about it. Come up with an argument or an analysis. Petty insults degrade you, not me.
I'm always MORE than happy to go SouthWest, less so SouthEast......
The "myths" about Northerners being more friendly are NOT myths at all, its fact.....
The older I get the less I like London, I get in and out as quickly as possible and its been that way since my mid 30's.
I'm still convinced Osbourne's speech was about "The Northern POORHOUSE" and it was simply his accent that was misunderstood.
The movie Pride illustrates this point really well. It centres around a mining village in wales that was decimated by Thatcher (cunt) and really doesn’t hold back any punches about it.
My town in the north is full of southerners.
8 houses down my street, 5 are southern families and retirees.
3 or 4 bed detached house with massive garden, 275k. . .
My neighbour says he had a tiny 2 bed flat for almost double the money, and his work commute was over an hour each way.
F*** that.
I guess the social life would turn to non existent with all those smug folks around
Problem is they'll all move north and price out the locals from their hometowns. So they destroy our economy, make us poor then flood their own areas with millions of migrants from overseas and come and buy our houses up here. Stay home lol
Yep....transport in rural areas is awful, property prices are even more disproportionate to wages and commuting by trains and tube is living in a sardine can for 10 to 20 hours a week or sitting in a car, massive traffic jams, 20min journeys taking an hour to an hour and a half because of infrastructure overload on roads, and truly mindblowing parking or ulez costs or congestion charges, sucking the life and earnings out of you.
I've lived south, north, east and west and in Scotland. I've lived rural, city and coastal.
The worst quality of life was not in the North or Scotland.
@@minniemoe4797why are they smug? Because they are Southern? That’s quite a hateful stereotype to have considering you don’t know the people
Its the same story everywhere, here in the Netherlands we have the province called Groningen their is a use gasfield under it and they pumped so much out of it, at this point al houses are shaking from earthquakes and need repairs, but all the money that is earned is pumped in the Randstad (Around Amsterdam) and groningen gets nothing
It is indeed the same in the Netherlands. If you're born in the north, not only Groningen but also Friesland and Drenthe, you're immediately at a disadvantage in life. In the meantime, natural gas has been found in the north of Friesland. You can already figure out how this will turn out.
As someone from Manchester, I have had a lot of people talk to me randomly and I find that it has its own charm. However I've also been down to London and besides the rubbish, it's also pretty lovely.
You cant call Londoners rubbish 😂. To be fair a lot of Londoners have been moving up to our Manchester. Few lads in the gym say 'the people are just more real up here' 😂
There are some very affluent and pretty wealthy towns in the North of England, towns like Harrogate, Ilkley, Chester, York, Wilmslow and Durham etc and even big Northern cities like Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield have some very affluent areas, but in the main the poverty and lack of resources is far more stark in the North of England than it is in the South, and whilst there is wealth in the North, it is a lot more scattered around and in general, the South is just a lot richer. However, the South definitely has poverty, and I wouldnt even say that counties in the South West like Devon and Cornwall even count as the South as they are very culturally distinct and the accent sounds completely different from the South and the South Eastern English accent. Cornwall also has far more poverty than most places in England.
York is great, so is Harrogate 🙂
Durhams a city mate
When you're northern you're northern forever, it's not perfect but we make do and have more soul and personality 😁
Aye
Born and raised in the north east of England and wouldn’t change it for the world! I’m proud to be northern and the kind nature we possess from our genuine and hard working grandparents and great grandparents
The biggest puzzle is why the internet (and latterly, covid) hasn't redistributed businesses and populations around the country. There is almost no need to live in or near to London, even if your job is based there these days.
Likely a lot of these "back to office" schemes. My mother works for HMRC, and in covid was fully remote, but right after was forced back into the office, and it doesn't make any real sense, shes more productive and its much easier to work from home, but they force people back in because they want control over their employees, even the government in this case.
Good point and this is something I have pondered about as well. I reckon the highest earning jobs in whatever field but likely to be financial and professional services in London will always be in sales and senior management and they are likely to live close to their workplace to faciliate commutes etc. The back office jobs which are lower paid can be moved elsewhere but since they can be moved they might as well move them to lower cost countries such as Poland or India.
That is a good question. Maybe it will even out in the long run? Though I do think it probably is about power, who controls things, who makes the decisions . For example, there's plenty of financial and legal services (eg conveyancing) that could be outsourced to some far away cheap nation, like so much other work has. But no, often it's legally required for some basic financial/legal thing to have to be done in the UK at a rate of £500 an hour + admin fees. While vital energy and safety systems are gleefully outscourced to the cheapest source that might have a go at doing it. Basically, it's not all about cost effectiveness. It's about being powerful enough to prevent competition and charge what you like. And that seems to be a big part of Londons wealth.
@@OrangeNash a lot of government departments & services like healthcare have moved HQ to the north so they are less likely to be interfered with by other agencies. The NHS called it “arms reach” & it worked. It’s ridiculous if you think about it.
Exactly what I was thinking. By rights working online should be the great leveller
It's really nice to see you grow the channel from parkour to everything. Honestly, the newer content just keeps getting better quality wise. Keep up the good work, bruv
Growing up is realising there is no north/south divide, just London vs everyone else.
We have it just as rough in the westcountry with the added bonus of Londoners forcing us out of our homes by buying up every house in sight! It's impossible for a young person to even imagine owning a home over here so many are having to move away.
I'm 71, lived through this change and left in 1987. Thatcherism, the lack of investments in engineering, chemical & manufacturing industries. West Germany saw the US make major financial investmets so as to vastly out perform East Germany..so the comparison is not so easy. France though can be compared...all their governments, irrespective of party, supported their industries, their health srvices etc. I've been back a couple of times, seen the increasing deprivation in the midlands & north. My kids came back to have a look...liked the family re-union but were so thankful that we made the decsion to leave. So NZ & Australia is where my descendents are now.
Not everywhere in the north of England is poor and deprived. Also these days living in London is expensive to say the least. Plenty of deprived areas in London also. You can walk down a street of £1-2 million pounds houses and 5 mins down the road you can find an estate where it's like the end of the world.
Compare the house prices in Lytham and Blackpool. Less than 10 miles apart.
As an American, one of the funniest things I ever saw was Jools Holland trying to interview Morrissey and pretty much every question he asked, Moz would just say, “well, you’re not northern so you wouldn’t understand.” Classic Moz
Im an american. My fiancée is from the north and ive fast fallen in love with the North during my visits to england.
Its a damn shame what has been done to those people and there is so much potential there.
There’s poor people in the north and the south - middle class and wealthy too - the poor are equally poor - the middle class in the north are actually better off due to lower living costs - and the rich? They’re just rich either way - so the north south divide is actually the opposite to what people generally think nowadays
The divide starts at the Thames estuary, follows the river until the Dartford crossing, goes anticlockwise around the M25, and then down the M3. There ya go.
Exactly. I’m from Bristol, there’s an insane amount of homeless people and a pretty big population in poverty. There is plenty of rich people, and it always surprises me that on one street you get these huge million pound Victorian houses, then turn a corner and you have a mould-filled council block. The contrast is very jarring.
26:32 Totally missed out on saying "If you wanna keep a fire burning, you gotta put some COAL in there"
Those Thatcher years were brutal
As an American, I can’t help but compare it to how the US basically stripped the Rust Belt states of their industrial might in favor of pushing jobs overseas. Same thing with the south, the deep south gets a reputation, similar to the north in England. But if you go down there, they are so poor it’s almost unimaginable in some states
Yep the same thing happened here. In order for a small minority of people to make more money it meant putting entire towns, city’s and eventually counties into decline and now we’re paying the price for it unfortunately.
The anti christ thatcher wanted to smash the unions & get everyone addicted to utilities gangster bills
it’s less of North vs South and more of London vs everyone else
I watch a guy called Peter Santanello on You Tube who visits all these places. Eye opening stuff. The Pittsburgh area ones are interesting because it reminds me of the downturn around Sheffield.
@@antonycharnock2993 I watch his videos! He’s got great videos
Great review of this problem. Thanks! I am so grateful my Northern family buggered off to Canada.
I live in the West Midlands and I think the line of divide is somewhere along the Fosse Way, the old Roman boundary.
I partially agree, but only down to where it becomes the modern A429, as places like Chipping Campden, despite being north of the Fosse Way are definitely more southern economically
Gloucestershire born and bred here and with this county the line seems to be the M5. Anything east of it is more southern (Cheltenham, Cotswolds and Cirencester) and to the west is more northern (Gloucester, Forest of Dean and Tewkesbury)
I’m also West Midlands. The north starts after Stoke on Trent for me.
@@driving_all_over Nah I disagree with this. In Gloucestershire we have a common dialect/accent across the county, although the Forest of Dean has a lot of its own quirks on account of being so close to the welsh border, but what you're describing isn't really a North/South thing, it's a wealth thing- Cotswolds, Cirencester, & Cheltenham are all known for being a lot more well off, though historically this hasn't always been the case- the Cotswolds had a lot of poverty as well as industry with the textile mills, but much like Cornwall and Devon, it's been heavily gentrified by second home owners from London. But having grown up in Gloucester and having working class family from the less nice bits of Cheltenham, close friends on the Forest side, and in the Cotswolds, I don't feel a particular cultural divide, it's way more class based imo.
I get the tendency to lump the Forest of Dean on the North side, due to its heavy mining past, but Cornwall also has a strong mining history. I'd sooner put the Forest in with Wales than the North of England, but I think in reality it's a mix of Welsh and West Country.
Gloucester I definitely wouldn't put in the North. It's definitely more working class than Cheltenham, but like a lot of the West Country has a big seafaring past despite being fairly inland, and a West Country accent similar to Bristol and Somerset.
My point being there's plenty of other areas in the South West that are more deprived and working class, but we wouldn't class them as 'Northern' and I think culturally/historically it makes more sense to put Gloucestershire in with the rest of the South West as a whole due to all these things- accent/dialect, largely rural, cider & cheese making, fishing, seafaring, mining, mixture of poorer local areas with gentrified villages and second home owners, etc.
Once you get to Tewkesbury and the north of the county though I tend to agree it feels more 'midlands' and the accent starts changing.
Like a lot of people in this comments section have said though, the South West is it's own separate thing and shouldn't really be talked about in the same way as the rest of the 'South'
I'm not certain there is, in fact, a North/South divide in this country despite what people say. What there is, is a London & the South East/Rest of the Country divide. In the South West for example, we have the third lowest wages in the country by region, yet the second highest prices. This is due to Devonwall being completely taken over by Londoners and their second homes. Almost anything you can say about the North, you can also say about the South West and the Midlands.
Hyperbolic bollocks
Yes, the Welsh Valleys make Manchester and Newcastle look like Dubai!
I don't believe that at all. I live in Bucks which borders London and the worst thing that's ever happened is Londoners moving here. It's like an alien world.
Fact is these arbitrary "divides" are really just fantasies taught to people.
We don't have very much in common with the nearest town to us.
@@elswick4636 there were literally image examples of this being true in this very video.
@@Chicanery_Artifice “completely taken over by Londoners” okay mate, that sounds reasonable
Thank you, this was very illuminating for this Czech-American living in Northeast England for the past 6 years. I have absolutely fallen in love with this part of the country and its people, the North has my heart.
Oh yes Jimmy the giant upload while I'm on my break 🌚
Only one "i" in Westminster. There's Westminster and there's "Yes, Minister", there's no Westminister.
I enjoy your videos, not meaning to be an arse. Cheers.
Correcting people's mistakes is not being an arse, taking offense at that is being an arse.
Americans do that all the time saying “Westminister” especially when referring to the idiotic dog show. Maybe one in a thousand would even know that a minster is a monastic chapel. Queen Elizabeth I kicked the monks out of Westminster Abbey once and for all after the left over Catholic monks from the reign of Queen Mary all tried to light tapers for her coronation as if they were getting ready to burn more Anglican heretics or something to that effect.
The lad's bang on, the mispronunciation is incongruous. My guess is he let it slip.
I presumed it was deliberate
It's a little dig at Westminister, but he expects Westminister to solve the decline of old industries by finding billions of pounds to invest in the north.
Need channels like yours for every country
The difference between north and south is whether you get spar meal deal or Waitrose meal deal
In the midlands you get both
Then there is the third way, the north west where we don’t even bother with Waitrose cos we’ve got Booths.
@@katashworth41 that’s a fair point
There is both in Sheffield 😂
You can afford a SPAR meal deal? 😂
Every family has that one person who will break the family financial struggle, I hope you become the one😊
Everyone needs more than their salary to be financial stable. The best thing to do with your money is to invest it rightly, because money left for saving always end up used with no returns.
You’re correct I make a lot of money without relying on the government. Investing in stocks and digital currencies is beneficial at the moment.
Can you show me how to trade profitably, I honestly need another source of steady income
Kate Mellon Bruce is not just my family’s financial advisor, she’s a licensed and FINRA agent who other families in the US employs her services
She's active on face book @
Despite the ‘potato’ inaccuracies this is a really well researched video with a well rounded analysis. Cheers Jimmy the G 👊✊
The North of England had a massive impact on Canada, particularly in the Maritime Provinces (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island)
Farmers, coal miners and shipbuilders from the North made up a large percentage of English-speaking settlement, especially in the earlier years. Northern English dialects in my opinion also had a very strong influence on the evolution of the Canadian accent, and again that's most obvious in the Maritimes (not Newfoundland as much, they largely sound Irish).
Hadrian's wall and Vikings shaped the North of England. We speak old English with Danish influences. Queen of England back in the industrial revolution moved heavy industry north. She would close her curtains as she passed through on the train to Scotland.
Harrying of the North..
And the English think they are the *original* English when they aren’t
The Cornish and welsh are the originals as the original inhabitants of England moved far west in to wales Devon Cornwall to escape Vikings etc
Those in the east are most likely descendants of said Vikings and all invaders
I’m a southerner living in the north. Never had any issues 😊
I moved from Surrey Heath (Michael Gove territory) to Durham a couple years ago.
I can't deny that there's less money and less opportunity up here but, somehow the quality of life is infinitely better.
I much prefer being in a friendly community where neighbours still look out for each other, rather than seeing that Philip from across the road has bought himself a new Mercedes with a personalised number plate.
Most of the ‘south’ stereotypes are just London stereotypes
Come to Brighton and Hove.
Nah, you’re alright mate
Bingo. Mentioned it in another comment. Northerners need to start differentiating between Londoners and Southerners
*rich/middle class Londoners
@@LondonMoneyCashEnterprise The rich all live in London mate lol proper Londoners were all priced out of London over 30 years ago
You found alot of good graphs and maps, theyre fascinating in their own right !
Cotton was a far bigger industry in the north than coal in most places
Not really
@@James-tu7vo cotton contributed more to the north’s economy and was more impactful in terms of employment, trade and urban development, one need only look at how Manchester and Leeds grew from very little to some of the world’s biggest cities at the time.
They had wool cotton was grown overseas
@@julianskinner3697 cotton was grown overseas but it was spun and woven into cloth in mill towns across northern England
I'm a very unposh Southerner living up North for the last quarter of a century and this divide breaks my heart, I wish we could all just get on 💙
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This is so well done. Very informative and smartly presented