4:35 i like how they tease us with the fact that bashir already predicts the cardasians and the dominion pressure leading to a civil war. but cut him off just at the moment he will say it.
"we are so honored to enter the great federation family" *Oh yes yes, and btw our war with the Dominion is going really really bad so we need some red shirts* "What?"
Damar and Dukat (Biggs and Alaimo) are such great tragic villains. The characters would not have worked without such great acting. Same with Jeffrey Coombs
They yo-yo'd Dukat's motivations so much. I never felt bad for him, for anything. He and Winn really deserved each other. He got what he deserved, to be trapped with the pah wraith forever. But I agree that Alaimo, Biggs, and Combs were great in their roles.
@@beav1962 it was my understanding that Dukat was to be written as Sisko's counterpoint. You are right to not feel sorrow for Dukat, he was written as a professional villain, not necessarily a tragic villain. Siskos baseball and it's transition to Dukat is a good symbol of this. Just like baseball, they have their turns to bat and run the bases, but after the game is done, they are just regular magical wormhole aliens
Really wish we got more of Bashir's friends. I've always loved "Geniuse and Crazy rooming together". Mustache reminds me of the guy who plays the Mandalorian.
I dont remember picard talking about the dominion war. I must've missed that movie. It deffinitly makes star trek feel like more than a few series and an actual universe
What I never understood is why Damar keeps looking left and right like he's talking to a crowd, when we know full well he's in a command centre talking to a camera
Now, am I losing my mind, or based on the actual Vorta language, did it look like Jeffery Combs was speaking so that his mouth movements were identical to the English language version?
@@JnEricsonx Yeah, that's something you have to kind of ignore in Star Trek when they use universal translators (which is pretty much all the time). Another thing is that translation is shown to be without any delay. But due to differences in language structure, it would be impossible. For example, in some languages you can have subject at the end of the sentence, and you'd have to hear the entire sentence before you can translate.
It is true with all aliens even when they are talking with each other and there is no translation for a human language (e.g. Quark talking with the Nagus and Dominion officers talking with each other).
Often in a post scarcity society, the biggest most difficult to replace asset is manpower. The Dominion have their jemhadar, the federation has cadets from agrarian worlds
Not really post-scarcity, since it's not like if I, a civilian, wanted 3 Galaxy-Class ships for myself, I doubt I'd get it. It's a post-poverty society by design, we can do that today if we mathematically redistributed the resources, but there are still strategic resources, like dilithium or pergium, and most fundementally energy itself.
I work for a school that has many many ipads. Next time I'm in a meeting, I'll show up with like 10 and hand them over each with a static image you cannot change. lol
@@captaindraco2286 actually all evidence points towards Insurrection occurring during the Dominion War it would make sense that despite war on diplomats would still be trying to negotiate a peace. Furthermore the Son'a were Federation allies for quite some time as they were sanctioned by the Federation in previous years for subjugating of the Tarlac and Ellora, the novelisation of Insurrection indicates not all Son'a went back to the Baku, feeling betrayed they could have joined the Dominion and they had a Ketrecel White facility as talked about in DS9 episode Penumbra.
@@captaindraco2286 on a mission of some sort. Wasn't uncommon to leave even during the war. Also 2 Evora were at the signing of the declaration in "What You Leave Behind" as Federation representatives.
They are genetically engineered. Think of a man that drinks 40 cups of coffee a day being able to speed read a book on languages. Theres no real specific IQ mentioned in this episode, just think of what someone with an IQ of 200 or greater can do when they read a book.
@@burnedtoast8047 that is correct, but bashir is 'perfect' and doesn't have any quirks. (besides his smug attitude about being enhanched af teh reveal) section 31 would not want unpredictable people
Wouldn't be surprised if Section 31 has had a whole team of hidden mutants working with them all the time. Maybe that's how they can up with the virus plan.
to actually hear the Vorta language, and just play it off so casually
that's a hidden gem right there
Sounded a bit Hawaiian
Exactly, it's amazing as a linguist. I love the languages.
@@DrCuriensapprentice Bit of Japanese too.
reminds me of how bib fortuna sounds in star wars.
I really wanted to see a closing scene where Sisko has a massive pile of tablets that Bashir kept handing him.
If only it had windows mode, just click between a few tabs. :)
4:35 i like how they tease us with the fact that bashir already predicts the cardasians and the dominion pressure leading to a civil war. but cut him off just at the moment he will say it.
"we are so honored to enter the great federation family"
*Oh yes yes, and btw our war with the Dominion is going really really bad so we need some red shirts*
"What?"
They won't join Starfleet just yet, they are a Year 1 warp drive planet.
Damar and Dukat (Biggs and Alaimo) are such great tragic villains. The characters would not have worked without such great acting. Same with Jeffrey Coombs
They yo-yo'd Dukat's motivations so much. I never felt bad for him, for anything. He and Winn really deserved each other. He got what he deserved, to be trapped with the pah wraith forever. But I agree that Alaimo, Biggs, and Combs were great in their roles.
@@beav1962 it was my understanding that Dukat was to be written as Sisko's counterpoint. You are right to not feel sorrow for Dukat, he was written as a professional villain, not necessarily a tragic villain. Siskos baseball and it's transition to Dukat is a good symbol of this. Just like baseball, they have their turns to bat and run the bases, but after the game is done, they are just regular magical wormhole aliens
That right there is how you let the genetically enhanced help the system - quietly, with a good liaison.
they also suggested the Federation surrender, and completely avoided the options Garak made Sisko do.
@@SantomPh Genetic enhancement can't always win from good ol' hereditary deviousness
Star Trek should use the Native Language mode more often.
For some reason it sounded like he was speaking japanese. Space Japanese
Given that they barely knew the Dominion so they don’t know much about their language.
It seems best for species they have just met.
Really wish we got more of Bashir's friends. I've always loved "Geniuse and Crazy rooming together".
Mustache reminds me of the guy who plays the Mandalorian.
I dont remember picard talking about the dominion war. I must've missed that movie. It deffinitly makes star trek feel like more than a few series and an actual universe
Star Trek: Insurrection.
The Son’a from ST:Insurrection are also referenced in Season 7 of DS9, prior to the alliance The Dominion makes with the Breen Confederacy
Oh i wished the 3 would had some more episodes
5:16 "We are so honored to be accepted into the great federation family"
Picard: And I am honored to finally again have hair
What I like is after you listen to what the engineered are saying, you can see it in Samara eyes, even without them you can tell he is nervous
What I never understood is why Damar keeps looking left and right like he's talking to a crowd, when we know full well he's in a command centre talking to a camera
He has to make it look convincing. Like the trio said, he is being made to say all these things
because it's being broadcast in public places
Wooshed yourself
Those dominion warships are so cool.
They look very intentionally like cockroaches!
I like the Breen ships more specifically. They really look different.
@@defchan1970. I always thought they looked more like scarab beetles.
The smaller ships look like stink bugs
Their color aesthetics remind me a bit of the Covenant from Halo. Lots of pink highlights and purple shading.
i love how youcan ee what they are saying even if the ydidnt have to do that, fantastic
Now, am I losing my mind, or based on the actual Vorta language, did it look like Jeffery Combs was speaking so that his mouth movements were identical to the English language version?
Why yes, life forms from another part of the Galaxy have of course exactly the same cues as humans when they lie. How convenient.
Weird to hear him speaking in his native language xD
And didn't it look like based on what he was saying, his general mouth movements looked exactly the same as speaking English?
@@JnEricsonx Yeah, that's something you have to kind of ignore in Star Trek when they use universal translators (which is pretty much all the time).
Another thing is that translation is shown to be without any delay. But due to differences in language structure, it would be impossible. For example, in some languages you can have subject at the end of the sentence, and you'd have to hear the entire sentence before you can translate.
@@polycrystallinecandy I'm guessing for ease's sake, Jeffrey just read the Vorta translation and they dubbed it over his original performance.
It is true with all aliens even when they are talking with each other and there is no translation for a human language (e.g. Quark talking with the Nagus and Dominion officers talking with each other).
Sooooooooooooo. The most powerful ship is being sent to 'recruit' races that cant even make a photon torpedo?
Oh Star Trek logic.
Once a planet/system joins the Federation, technology sharing begins.
Often in a post scarcity society, the biggest most difficult to replace asset is manpower.
The Dominion have their jemhadar, the federation has cadets from agrarian worlds
Not really post-scarcity, since it's not like if I, a civilian, wanted 3 Galaxy-Class ships for myself, I doubt I'd get it. It's a post-poverty society by design, we can do that today if we mathematically redistributed the resources, but there are still strategic resources, like dilithium or pergium, and most fundementally energy itself.
the Admiral who contacted Picard about the Baku rings needed an excuse to contact him.
You play a stalling game. Or you unmothball a few sovereign class ships and shove Picard in one.
They should've made a TNG movie about the Dominion War, they already referenced it in the movie.
My people, lack a sense of aesthetics! 😂😂😂
I work for a school that has many many ipads. Next time I'm in a meeting, I'll show up with like 10 and hand them over each with a static image you cannot change. lol
Julian, typical nerd, he was onto something, then got into the details.
wow. i had no idea this movie was set during the dominion war. thanks.
the enterprise was also apart of alot of tasksforces usually serving as a flagship role
Actually just after
@@captaindraco2286 actually all evidence points towards Insurrection occurring during the Dominion War it would make sense that despite war on diplomats would still be trying to negotiate a peace. Furthermore the Son'a were Federation allies for quite some time as they were sanctioned by the Federation in previous years for subjugating of the Tarlac and Ellora, the novelisation of Insurrection indicates not all Son'a went back to the Baku, feeling betrayed they could have joined the Dominion and they had a Ketrecel White facility as talked about in DS9 episode Penumbra.
@@develynseether4426 Then why does
Worf show up on the Enterprise E when He'd was assigned to Deep Space 9 at the time of the Dominion War?
@@captaindraco2286 on a mission of some sort. Wasn't uncommon to leave even during the war.
Also 2 Evora were at the signing of the declaration in "What You Leave Behind" as Federation representatives.
Was it really necessary to edit out "the borg" when Picard is talking about the Federation's losses.
Obviously yes. This is a Dominion War fanfic.
That's a stupid question!
@@MikelosM You'd be surprised how well it works.
It means 12 things o nothing at all. If you don’t think so you do not now Brian W. 💚💕
Funny how he knows their Native Language. Just like THAT!!!!!!!!!😀😀😀😃😃😃😃
You haven't seen the episode, did you? that's exactly what Bashir asks him a second later but it was cut out from the clip here.
They are genetically engineered. Think of a man that drinks 40 cups of coffee a day being able to speed read a book on languages.
Theres no real specific IQ mentioned in this episode, just think of what someone with an IQ of 200 or greater can do when they read a book.
We are willing to entertain your presentation but it will need time for processing or please push 9 for Español...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu USMC
could Section 31 work with these people as their analyst ????
considering how xenofobic they come across in ds9, I dont think they would consider the mutands human.
@@Super_Tristan1005 they liked Bashir they kinda wanted him because of the genetic engineering, if I remember correctly.
@@burnedtoast8047 that is correct, but bashir is 'perfect' and doesn't have any quirks. (besides his smug attitude about being enhanched af teh reveal)
section 31 would not want unpredictable people
@@Super_Tristan1005 consider even an AI - Control still out of control......
Wouldn't be surprised if Section 31 has had a whole team of hidden mutants working with them all the time. Maybe that's how they can up with the virus plan.
Yew-cheen chef-faw
Why non of these fan made episodes have the old Kirk from the 60's
What do they bring 2 the table?????
What is Patrick speciality n the actor name???
Did Ds9 ever address the ketercell white issue. It's brought up a few times, however it seems like it just disappears miday through the war.
For all our sons! 👦🏾👦🏼👦🏾👦🏿👦🏻👦 🏡🏡🏡🏡🏡🏡
Who is the actress that doesn't speak??
What was her role in the group???
You'll have to watch the show. She's a very interesting character
Watch the episode "Genetically Engineered"
Thanks, Been looking for the DS9 clip for a while, got the episode title?
The episode is called Statistical Probabilities, season 6 episode 9
@@dmancluster2631 Yeah, found it again a while back, but thanks anyways.
So people carry one as many PADDs as files they have?
God I hated those mutant characters