This is one of the best scenes in trek. Really well done. No other trek series has achieved this level of quality that the episodes hit in the later series.
If Sloan fabricated the existence of Section 31 why did the Admiral mention Section 31 at all in a conversation with Bashir. That is why Bashir figured it out.
Yeah Ross or Sloan would have had him murdered here had they felt he would tell on them but Sloans profile of him made him assume Julian wouldnt go to the Romulans after and he didnt. Senator Vreenak and senator Cretak both got completely screwed over and didnt do anything wrong at all. If there was some way I could see all the things the US government has done like this I wouldnt want to see it. It would depress me too much.
@@stevenclark5173 inevitably morality comes down to what is the fairest. Aka, what puts the highest regard to the lowest thing. Which means 1 should be more significant than 1 billion, the opposite of vulcan philosophy in that regard. You should not want a society that is willing to throw you away to survive, ideally you'd throw yourself away, but sacrifices are not something you do TO someone, but FOR someone, only you should be sacrificed by yourself.
There is no morality, just a familiar idea we recognize, yet is not what it seems, how we define and think of it is absurd. There are no lines in real nature
There's always been this underlying current of dissatisfaction between the fleet commanders and the brass in Trek, and then when the Dominion War began a new layer of mistrust was added, seeing the federation militarise so heavily, engaging in espionage so readily, I think we will see in Star Trek Picard a continuation of this trend and, hopefully, a resolution to it.
I wish the current trek could be better like what Picard could have been maybe in a few years we will get a real show that honors things like this and shows us what happened
Bashir could be rather annoying & self-rightous sometimes, which is a deliberate part of his character arc, but here he just shows a lack of grasp for politiking. Admiral Ross in the full clip makes a sound counter-argument, which Bashir just rubbishes superficially. Like Sisko, Ross chose the options that're in the interest of the many over the few or of the one, sacrificing his self-respect so as to do a larger good.
21 century Rome is alive and kicking! Here in Europe,and over there,in the good ol' USA! Just look at the architecture of the Washington,and the Capitol! 😑
This is one of the best scenes in trek. Really well done. No other trek series has achieved this level of quality that the episodes hit in the later series.
This episode was brilliant on a number of levels.
Indeed
This is one the best episodes in Star Trek.
If Sloan fabricated the existence of Section 31 why did the Admiral mention Section 31 at all in a conversation with Bashir. That is why Bashir figured it out.
"beamed away a split second before the phaser hit him". Yeah, bullshit.
I like this scene bashair had balls. not just being a yes man.
I like that you put "Yes man", reference to new vegas by chance?
Yeah Ross or Sloan would have had him murdered here had they felt he would tell on them but Sloans profile of him made him assume Julian wouldnt go to the Romulans after and he didnt.
Senator Vreenak and senator Cretak both got completely screwed over and didnt do anything wrong at all. If there was some way I could see all the things the US government has done like this I wouldnt want to see it. It would depress me too much.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants agreed
@@2cwldys701 not really it's more a reference to Danny Wallace writing.
@@2cwldys701 thought it was a good game. you mentioned.
Voyager's sister ship
Most likely
With the same registry. Lol
Starfleet were never pragmatic enough. If they were, section 31 wouldn't need to exist.
When we throw away our morals for a good goal, we don't deserve to keep it.
What good are your morals if they lead to bad outcomes for everyone. Sounds like the morals are the problem, not the goal.
@@stevenclark5173 for survival, not good, but for morality, it is good.
@@stevenclark5173 inevitably morality comes down to what is the fairest. Aka, what puts the highest regard to the lowest thing. Which means 1 should be more significant than 1 billion, the opposite of vulcan philosophy in that regard. You should not want a society that is willing to throw you away to survive, ideally you'd throw yourself away, but sacrifices are not something you do TO someone, but FOR someone, only you should be sacrificed by yourself.
There is no morality, just a familiar idea we recognize, yet is not what it seems, how we define and think of it is absurd.
There are no lines in real nature
How did you know? I am a mutant? Bashir says....
bashir was such a arrogant snow flake at times.
Don't think any Admiral in the Federation is good, they're all bent.
I think Picard can be counted as a good one and Janeway
Admial James T. Kirk, Admiral McCoy
Just any other government. Time to grow up.
There's always been this underlying current of dissatisfaction between the fleet commanders and the brass in Trek, and then when the Dominion War began a new layer of mistrust was added, seeing the federation militarise so heavily, engaging in espionage so readily, I think we will see in Star Trek Picard a continuation of this trend and, hopefully, a resolution to it.
Star Trek Picard can be explained by section 31 getting their hands on a time machine.
Sorry pal. Seems like Picard took a dump over this.
I wish the current trek could be better like what Picard could have been maybe in a few years we will get a real show that honors things like this and shows us what happened
Not possible for Picard to do that because it is not Star Trek. It is JJ bad interpretation of Trek with bad writing.
Section 31 if they don't leave a bad taste in your mouth. The story was written wrong.
Bashir could be rather annoying & self-rightous sometimes, which is a deliberate part of his character arc, but here he just shows a lack of grasp for politiking.
Admiral Ross in the full clip makes a sound counter-argument, which Bashir just rubbishes superficially.
Like Sisko, Ross chose the options that're in the interest of the many over the few or of the one, sacrificing his self-respect so as to do a larger good.
Only on Bashir's part.
21 century Rome is alive and kicking! Here in Europe,and over there,in the good ol' USA! Just look at the architecture of the Washington,and the Capitol! 😑
When Trek was still good, not the CBS garbage they are shitting out today.
This is awful. The acting is so bad - empty.
Oh acting coach fjvideo over here!
Woah he's a cool guy over here. He's a smart fellow.
Bashir is the weakest acted character on the show.
@@rowlandbuck2703 , you're right; it should have been played by William Shatner.
"IIII'MMMM Dr. Baa-shir!!!!!"
The show is sometimes plot-driven. Not character-driven.