Excellent range test. My S-refresh is about one year older than this one and has 19” wheels for greater range. It has excellent range for road trips because I must stop for bathroom, food, and stretching every 2-3 hours. Stopping to “re-charge” our bodies seems much safer than all day behind the wheel.
Yeah it would 400 mile range with the 19“ wheels and that’s where the sweet spot is because then it’s 90-10% 320miles go a little faster 300 mile-ish and combined with the nice charging curve of the NCA chemistry it’s an awesome car when a Steering WHEEL is equipped(:
Branden, You are on the right track with your thoughts at the end that "the car should serve your needs, not visa versa." When planning road trips, I always strive to line up the car's needs with my own. The result is very pleasant road trips, with stops when I need them and the car (almost) always charging when stopped. To do this, I adjust my start time so that the car will be at low SOC at lunch time, with a planed 10-15 min restroom stop at a supercharger on the way. I look for superchargers that have acceptable restaurant(s) for the lunch stop. For over 600 mi/day trips, I also plan a 30 min breakfast stop and a dinner stop. I use ABRP to do my planning, and now drive to destinations that I used to fly to when I had gas cars.
@@brandenflasch You are right. This will be the case for some time. However new owners will adapt, and many will have never driven an ICE car. Many of the things we did as gas car drivers were unconscious adaptations to IC engine needs. In the future this will be the same for EV needs, IMO. A similar change occurred when railroads switched from steam locomotives to diesel-electric. Railroads that adapted their dispatch methods to better suit the diesels were more profitable than ones that dispatched them just like they were steam. Nowadays, no one dispatches locomotives as if they were steam powered.
19" have a good bit more range. I've been very happy with my LR on them, road tripping is a breeze and significantly better than my 2018. That said I really wish they would come out with the originally promised Plaid+. I would buy that immediately.
I think what we need is a car with Lucid Air range and at the same time being able to use Tesla infrastructure. In that case, EV adoption would be very easy, no need to pre-plan anything, anyone can hop in and drive pretty much anywhere in US with no issues. This model S is great but would still require thinking ahead of a long trip.
I've been on a road trip with this car. There's nothing to think about. Put in your destination and let the computer chart out a course and follow it. Actually the stops I had to make to charge did me some good. I'm never in a hurry on a road trip and this was for work. I'll get there when I get there, period. People make life so darn complicated when it doesn't have to be.
@@brandenflasch If it had 19inch wheels, like my 2023 S plaid it would have the same range as the lucid air ...with 21 inch wheels(See out of spec reviews of both cars) but I personnaly drive too fast on german Autobahns to test it ! (My range is about 400 km from 100 to 5% -but i drive my car up to 285kmh -dragster- a couple of times 🤗)
Most of my life I have had gas cars and been on long trips, but rarely in those trips did I actually drive the car and stop after it used the full tank of gas. I don't think that is actually common in the percentage of people that drive. Yet that seems to always be the argument. I understand that there are people that do but I find that I save more time not stopping for gas throughout the year than a long trip a couple times a year. To me the driving experience is what I enjoy more than any of it. I have a model 3 currently and in a couple days I am getting a Model S with the yoke. I look forward to it and understand the argument about the yoke also, but I think a lot of people fail to look at it from the perspective that the goal of the car is to get to a point that ultimately drives itself. Many of the same things we ridicule the Tesla for are not going to be used that often. It wasn't long ago that many didn't think we could survive with a computer that didn't have a DVD or floppy drive and here we are. Thank you for you video.
Great explanation of real range needs, charger hopping is definitely not what the majority want even if us EV fans realize that charger hopping its not a big deal.
We just returned from a 2K mile road trip in our 2022 MYP with 18" tires/wheels and we ended at 263 wh/mi vs 296 on the 21s on the same exact trip. So anything less is amazing efficiency. We are looking to trade up to a new LR S later this fall but with the 19s. I still may replace them with some 19s SQUARED with 255s from TSportLine. But we'll probably do one 2-k-mile road trip on the OEM 19s (not squared) before I make up my mind. But being 72-year-old even in our MYP we have to stop for BIO breaks well before the car needs a charge, we just want options to skip stops given Tesla is opening up the charging network and recent vandalism. But the S is a long-range monster.
My 2021 Y performance traveling 73 to 74 miles per hour got 264wh/mile with 19 inch Gemini wheels and all season continental tires and 266 wh/ mile with aero caps off😊. Total miles traveled 249 miles using 65 kilowatts of the battery 😊 The lead weighted 21 inch Uber turbine wheels averaged 296 to a little over 300 wh/mile.
I enjoy my EV6 way more in almost every other way but it just can't compare with my old 2013 Altima on the highway. It could get 600+ miles at 70+MPH. Yea, it needed an 18 gallon tank to do it but it gave me the option to go 4-6 hours without stopping. I wonder if EVs will ever be able to reach that point? Having to stop every 2-3 hours to charge is what it looks like EV road trips will be like for the near future but that means there's really no good place to have DCFCs installed. People say they should be installed at restaurants but if you're driving the entire day, do you really want to be eating something every 2-3 hours?
Of course they will. Battery technology is still in its infancy stage compared to ICE. It will easily supercede mileage ratings of ICE but we are talking about fuel vs a storage capacitor for lack of a better description.
Branden, what’s your best estimate as far as this car only pulling 87 kWh (100% to 0) instead of around 92 kWh for brand new. Only 8k miles. Needs BMS calibration and maybe 1-2 kWh degradation loss?
I disagree on the yoke. In my opinion, I think it's great and more comfortable than a standard wheel. I do agree on the buttons though. I would prefer them to be actual clicky buttons as opposed to haptic
What was your impression of the interior? I think this was a great result, since something was clearly up with the battery (probably degraded or imbalanced since the car used 87%).
@@brandenflaschwhen the car first came out I thought youtubers were getting battery capacities of around 96 kWh. The 87% was a typo. I meant 87 kWh.
So with a good couple top charges to 100% on level 2 it should do 95kwh before the buffer at the bottom. With that charging to 80% and draining to 10% should net at 70mph anout 210 miles and at 85mph likely 170-180 that's excellent.
@@brandenflasch 180 miles between stops often can be over 3 hours of driving. How is that not enough? A 20-22 minute stop and back on the road. You might be young enough to do 4-5 hours straight but after about 35 that goes away. 2-3 hours between stops is ideal for traveling. Especially if the first stop takes for sure 3-4 at 100%
It’s not about charger hopping. Charger hopping isn’t normal for normal people. It’s about stopping at the restaurant you want, at the rest stop, etc instead of only places with charging.
@@brandenflasch Not to forget there is a peukert effect : the quicker you drain the battery, the less kw you can get from it ; at 70 mph likely more 93 kw usable capacity, but at 60 mph something like95-96 kw -when new, and when you drive the car till il dies (it can go further for 10-15 km after 0%)
@@brandenflasch The only stops I do when travelling @ 70 mph are for bio and snacks. And they happen to happen when I need to stop and charge my Tesla. 15-25 minutes charge is usually good for 2-2.5 hours of driving. In real life no one is driving from start to end @ 70 mph. Because of the driving conditions of course.
@@brandenflasch I am usually eager to arrive to my destination. And there is nothing that stops me from not going where I want if I want to either. If there is a restaurant I want to go, I will definitely go there. The 10-15 miles it can add to my trip doesn't make a dent in my trip planning. I like driving, my Tesla puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, but sitting behind the wheel for more than necessary is not my type. And driving more than 3-4 hours between stops is not my thing either.
With this range I could do St. Louis to Chicago. Not sure where I would need more. That said, I’m for anything that gets range to be equivalent to the highest range ICE and hybrids.
As someone who lives in a northern climate, I want range. Honestly 330 is probably a good enough number but I think for ev adoption to take off in more rural areas, 400+ should be the bar.
You were driving on small wheels compared to most other EVs. Would like to see the range on 21" wheels. Yes, typical speed on interstates is more like 80mph these days as well. Finally, on the road a SuC stop would not be to 100% so while out of the garage range is great, on the road range charging to 80% would be less. There are a lot of EVs that can do this range or more, is Tesla loosing it's edge?
Excellent range test. My S-refresh is about one year older than this one and has 19” wheels for greater range. It has excellent range for road trips because I must stop for bathroom, food, and stretching every 2-3 hours. Stopping to “re-charge” our bodies seems much safer than all day behind the wheel.
Yeah it would 400 mile range with the 19“ wheels and that’s where the sweet spot is because then it’s 90-10% 320miles go a little faster 300 mile-ish and combined with the nice charging curve of the NCA chemistry it’s an awesome car when a Steering WHEEL is equipped(:
The rated range isn't a 70 mph number. But I agree more range is still needed. 400+ mile real world range is definitely needed.
I’m well aware. It’s a reference point. Some vehicles exceed rated range at 70mph (many non-Teslas) and Teslas tend to be a decent bit below.
100% on the real world range- before I bought mine I wanted to know how far it would go @80mph in 23°F weather. Because that’s actually what I do 😂
Branden, You are on the right track with your thoughts at the end that "the car should serve your needs, not visa versa." When planning road trips, I always strive to line up the car's needs with my own. The result is very pleasant road trips, with stops when I need them and the car (almost) always charging when stopped.
To do this, I adjust my start time so that the car will be at low SOC at lunch time, with a planed 10-15 min restroom stop at a supercharger on the way. I look for superchargers that have acceptable restaurant(s) for the lunch stop. For over 600 mi/day trips, I also plan a 30 min breakfast stop and a dinner stop. I use ABRP to do my planning, and now drive to destinations that I used to fly to when I had gas cars.
While this is fine for people like you or I, normal / main stream buyers are far less likely to adapt to an EV in this way.
@@brandenflasch You are right. This will be the case for some time. However new owners will adapt, and many will have never driven an ICE car. Many of the things we did as gas car drivers were unconscious adaptations to IC engine needs. In the future this will be the same for EV needs, IMO.
A similar change occurred when railroads switched from steam locomotives to diesel-electric. Railroads that adapted their dispatch methods to better suit the diesels were more profitable than ones that dispatched them just like they were steam. Nowadays, no one dispatches locomotives as if they were steam powered.
19" have a good bit more range. I've been very happy with my LR on them, road tripping is a breeze and significantly better than my 2018.
That said I really wish they would come out with the originally promised Plaid+. I would buy that immediately.
The track package gets it pretty close to the Plaid+ but the Model S should get an upgrade on the base brakes to some sort of Brembo brake.
@@ryanfraley7113 I'm mainly interested in the ~125kWh pack
I think what we need is a car with Lucid Air range and at the same time being able to use Tesla infrastructure. In that case, EV adoption would be very easy, no need to pre-plan anything, anyone can hop in and drive pretty much anywhere in US with no issues. This model S is great but would still require thinking ahead of a long trip.
If this had 19” wheels it wouldn’t have much less range than a Lucid
I've been on a road trip with this car. There's nothing to think about. Put in your destination and let the computer chart out a course and follow it. Actually the stops I had to make to charge did me some good. I'm never in a hurry on a road trip and this was for work. I'll get there when I get there, period. People make life so darn complicated when it doesn't have to be.
@@brandenflasch
If it had 19inch wheels, like my 2023 S plaid it would have the same range as the lucid air ...with 21 inch wheels(See out of spec reviews of both cars) but I personnaly drive too fast on german Autobahns to test it ! (My range is about 400 km from 100 to 5% -but i drive my car up to 285kmh -dragster- a couple of times 🤗)
Most of my life I have had gas cars and been on long trips, but rarely in those trips did I actually drive the car and stop after it used the full tank of gas. I don't think that is actually common in the percentage of people that drive. Yet that seems to always be the argument. I understand that there are people that do but I find that I save more time not stopping for gas throughout the year than a long trip a couple times a year. To me the driving experience is what I enjoy more than any of it. I have a model 3 currently and in a couple days I am getting a Model S with the yoke. I look forward to it and understand the argument about the yoke also, but I think a lot of people fail to look at it from the perspective that the goal of the car is to get to a point that ultimately drives itself. Many of the same things we ridicule the Tesla for are not going to be used that often. It wasn't long ago that many didn't think we could survive with a computer that didn't have a DVD or floppy drive and here we are. Thank you for you video.
the yolk is so incredibly stupid.
Great explanation of real range needs, charger hopping is definitely not what the majority want even if us EV fans realize that charger hopping its not a big deal.
259 wh/mi @ 70 mph is actually outstanding. I wouldn’t complain about that at all.
That part is excellent
We just returned from a 2K mile road trip in our 2022 MYP with 18" tires/wheels and we ended at 263 wh/mi vs 296 on the 21s on the same exact trip. So anything less is amazing efficiency. We are looking to trade up to a new LR S later this fall but with the 19s. I still may replace them with some 19s SQUARED with 255s from TSportLine. But we'll probably do one 2-k-mile road trip on the OEM 19s (not squared) before I make up my mind. But being 72-year-old even in our MYP we have to stop for BIO breaks well before the car needs a charge, we just want options to skip stops given Tesla is opening up the charging network and recent vandalism. But the S is a long-range monster.
My 2021 Y performance traveling 73 to 74 miles per hour got 264wh/mile with 19 inch Gemini wheels and all season continental tires and 266 wh/ mile with aero caps off😊. Total miles traveled 249 miles using 65 kilowatts of the battery 😊 The lead weighted 21 inch Uber turbine wheels averaged 296 to a little over 300 wh/mile.
Thanks Branden! You're right, more range would be better.
I enjoy my EV6 way more in almost every other way but it just can't compare with my old 2013 Altima on the highway. It could get 600+ miles at 70+MPH. Yea, it needed an 18 gallon tank to do it but it gave me the option to go 4-6 hours without stopping. I wonder if EVs will ever be able to reach that point?
Having to stop every 2-3 hours to charge is what it looks like EV road trips will be like for the near future but that means there's really no good place to have DCFCs installed. People say they should be installed at restaurants but if you're driving the entire day, do you really want to be eating something every 2-3 hours?
Of course they will. Battery technology is still in its infancy stage compared to ICE. It will easily supercede mileage ratings of ICE but we are talking about fuel vs a storage capacitor for lack of a better description.
The car would probably do well over 350 miles at 70mph with 19in aerowheels.
Agreed
It would get about 370 to 385 miles of range as kyle did his plaid with the 19's and got 365 miles
my 2023 Model S LR with 19” Aero wheels got only 293 miles which is SO much less than the 410 it was supposed to. 70-80° out, avg speed 70mph.
That seems quite low
@@brandenflasch Yeah i was very very disappointed but that’s the consistent range i got from it. I have it all tacked in Teslafi.
Branden, what’s your best estimate as far as this car only pulling 87 kWh (100% to 0) instead of around 92 kWh for brand new. Only 8k miles. Needs BMS calibration and maybe 1-2 kWh degradation loss?
That sounds correct
"Drive rail reset with the charge port - to get out of Autopilot Jail" - Is this a way around the one week autopilot suspension?
Nah, just for a single drive.
Great job here. Nicely done
There’s definitely a range hit because of the 21” wheels. On the 19” wheels this would have ended up being far closer to 375-400 miles.
Less then 400 miles forsure but it will be about 370 to 385
I just test drove a new Model S and the steering wheel actually blocked some of the cluster in front of the driver. That was disappointing.
If you don’t mind how tall are you I’m 6,2 just asking room and comfort
6'3"
I disagree on the yoke. In my opinion, I think it's great and more comfortable than a standard wheel. I do agree on the buttons though. I would prefer them to be actual clicky buttons as opposed to haptic
How is it more comfortable?
Yolk would be perfect for steel by wire future tesla cars
Fine, sure, still dumb.
@@brandenflasch would agree yeh😂
I think it should be left as an option but yoke without steer by wire is pointless.
very cool good video
What was your impression of the interior? I think this was a great result, since something was clearly up with the battery (probably degraded or imbalanced since the car used 87%).
Used 87%? They’re not 100kWh.
@@brandenflaschwhen the car first came out I thought youtubers were getting battery capacities of around 96 kWh. The 87% was a typo. I meant 87 kWh.
So with a good couple top charges to 100% on level 2 it should do 95kwh before the buffer at the bottom. With that charging to 80% and draining to 10% should net at 70mph anout 210 miles and at 85mph likely 170-180 that's excellent.
Not enough IMO.
@@brandenflasch 180 miles between stops often can be over 3 hours of driving. How is that not enough? A 20-22 minute stop and back on the road. You might be young enough to do 4-5 hours straight but after about 35 that goes away. 2-3 hours between stops is ideal for traveling. Especially if the first stop takes for sure 3-4 at 100%
It’s not about charger hopping. Charger hopping isn’t normal for normal people. It’s about stopping at the restaurant you want, at the rest stop, etc instead of only places with charging.
@@brandenflasch How is 2-3+ hours charger hopping? This often happens even in my 2019 Model 3?
@@brandenflasch
Not to forget there is a peukert effect : the quicker you drain the battery, the less kw you can get from it ; at 70 mph likely more 93 kw usable capacity, but at 60 mph something like95-96 kw -when new, and when you drive the car till il dies (it can go further for 10-15 km after 0%)
Who needs to drive without a stop for 5 hours doesn’t need a Tesla. Or any other car for that matter.
It’s not about being able to drive 5 hours straight - it’s about making the stops you want instead of the stops that have charging.
@@brandenflasch The only stops I do when travelling @ 70 mph are for bio and snacks. And they happen to happen when I need to stop and charge my Tesla. 15-25 minutes charge is usually good for 2-2.5 hours of driving. In real life no one is driving from start to end @ 70 mph. Because of the driving conditions of course.
@voldar70 wouldn’t you like the flexibility to not have to do those at places with charging?
@@brandenflasch I am usually eager to arrive to my destination. And there is nothing that stops me from not going where I want if I want to either. If there is a restaurant I want to go, I will definitely go there. The 10-15 miles it can add to my trip doesn't make a dent in my trip planning.
I like driving, my Tesla puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, but sitting behind the wheel for more than necessary is not my type. And driving more than 3-4 hours between stops is not my thing either.
With this range I could do St. Louis to Chicago. Not sure where I would need more. That said, I’m for anything that gets range to be equivalent to the highest range ICE and hybrids.
As someone who lives in a northern climate, I want range. Honestly 330 is probably a good enough number but I think for ev adoption to take off in more rural areas, 400+ should be the bar.
I didn't realise your a Taylor Swift fan lol.
Isn’t everyone?
@@brandenflaschnope
You were driving on small wheels compared to most other EVs. Would like to see the range on 21" wheels. Yes, typical speed on interstates is more like 80mph these days as well. Finally, on the road a SuC stop would not be to 100% so while out of the garage range is great, on the road range charging to 80% would be less. There are a lot of EVs that can do this range or more, is Tesla loosing it's edge?
Did you even watch the video or read the title? This is on 21s.
@@brandenflasch Watching too many range tests. Fixed my post.