You are 100% right. I GREW UP on Aparo's art, and it never ever resonated or did anything for me. I get the style and the "classic" nature of it all, but it always looked a little off. 🤷
Deny O'Neil is on record as giving Aparo the two big books of Knightfall (the back breaking and the Azrael/Bane fight) because it would guarantee Aparo a comfortable retirement
To be completely honest I never really got into DC, I read a few titles over the years, collected some like Batman & The Outsiders and Teen Titans in the 80s, but the best DC series imo is ATARI Force, a 20 issue maxi-series from '83/'84. It was a fun sci-fi adventure with memorable characters like Dart and Pakrat and a Darth Vaderesque villain mixed with Stryfe as he was to Cable, it had a big Star Wars vibe to it. If you played ATARI games back then you could send away for their 4 issue mini-series called ATARI Force where they battled various video game characters like Space Invaders and whatnot, the DC comic series follows up 25 years later with the leader of the original team forming a new one.
Aparo was truly good in the 70s/80s but he'd obviously lost the juice at this point. It's pretty admirable of DC to have him do this issue, as he probably made a huge payday from it.
Aparo was 61 by this point yeah I can see where his art just didn't fit with the likes of McFarlane, Lee and Liefeld but check out his Batman on Brave & The Bold from the 1970's and it was some of the best of that time. The armored Batman costume was DC's answer to Image Comics' thirst of having ridiculous superheroes in nonsensical costumes but it was thankfully for a limited time and Batman soon returned back to his old costume.
Yeah the 90s with marvel doing the 2099 series. Everything was more edgy and extreme. I remember daredevil even got new suit some armor back then too didn’t he? I think dc was just trying to keep up with the times the best they could. Looking Back marvel had all the younger comic book creators and dc felt like it was like the old grumpy man still trying to be cool and hip but wasn’t . Sort of like it still is today not much has changed I think
I was a teenager when knightfall was coming out and I started reading it (maybe 12~13) and what gripped me from the start was actuallyJim Aparo's art. I loved the grounded nature of it and that it looked mature and realistic, which i though was a great fit for the dark story. I couldn't stand Image comics at the time, which to me looked confusing and flashy and to be honest, even at the time, juvenile. it really is all a matter of opinion :)
5:44 have to agree, I never collected DC comics outside of the random mini-series (like Bisley’s Lobo). DC’s editorial always forced traditional layouts and figure drawing that came off flat on their main titles and the coloring was just awful. Funny thing though DC’s art pool has gotten more favorable since then, and in my opinion better than most of what Marvel is putting out these days. Both companies need to go back to marketing great artists and pulling talent with striking art styles.
Man, you're right. That art sucked. I remember getting hyped on the covers, then opening them up and thinking what is this nerdy old school shit? I'm 10, and used to Jim Lee!
DC artwork usually sucked. The characters are great, but the comics were not. Much better as cartoons or movies. Marvel is why comics were so popular. They carried the industry for many years, mostly Spider-Man and X-Men.
@@raulzavala9061 yes. That’s true. Every generation has this problem in the arts that’s why the argument “who’s the best is nonsensical. There will never be the best or the greatest because each individual has their strengths and weaknesses and will always be beat by the next young artist coming up
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Jim Aparo legend.
This is Aparo in old age he should not be judged by this era his 1970s work is top tier
Terry Austin also not at his strongest.
@@wileyjdraws7594 definitely understand that now
I like marvel, especially the Stan and jack eras bestest, but batman is my jam🦇🏏
@@rickytoddbotelho9555 Batman IS a badass
To quote one of the Tremor Brothers from Smokin' Aces "You mean Az-ry-el?"
You are 100% right. I GREW UP on Aparo's art, and it never ever resonated or did anything for me. I get the style and the "classic" nature of it all, but it always looked a little off. 🤷
@@patfrat666 its a weird thing to see classic artists work but just not seeing the appeal
Dude, DC needs to hire me, I'll give them characters some flair, WOOOOOOOO!
Let ‘em transform!!!😤🔥🔥
i was just looking at xforce #20 from 93 with capulo. if i was in a comic shop at the time it would not have been a hard choice
@@pixelforge4858 thats exactly isn’t it.. what would a kid want to pick up more? I know what i wanted
Deny O'Neil is on record as giving Aparo the two big books of Knightfall (the back breaking and the Azrael/Bane fight) because it would guarantee Aparo a comfortable retirement
@@juggergrimm that is something i like to heat. Thanks for sharing that
To be completely honest I never really got into DC, I read a few titles over the years, collected some like Batman & The Outsiders and Teen Titans in the 80s, but the best DC series imo is ATARI Force, a 20 issue maxi-series from '83/'84. It was a fun sci-fi adventure with memorable characters like Dart and Pakrat and a Darth Vaderesque villain mixed with Stryfe as he was to Cable, it had a big Star Wars vibe to it. If you played ATARI games back then you could send away for their 4 issue mini-series called ATARI Force where they battled various video game characters like Space Invaders and whatnot, the DC comic series follows up 25 years later with the leader of the original team forming a new one.
Aparo was truly good in the 70s/80s but he'd obviously lost the juice at this point. It's pretty admirable of DC to have him do this issue, as he probably made a huge payday from it.
Aparo was 61 by this point yeah I can see where his art just didn't fit with the likes of McFarlane, Lee and Liefeld but check out his Batman on Brave & The Bold from the 1970's and it was some of the best of that time. The armored Batman costume was DC's answer to Image Comics' thirst of having ridiculous superheroes in nonsensical costumes but it was thankfully for a limited time and Batman soon returned back to his old costume.
Yeah the 90s with marvel doing the 2099 series. Everything was more edgy and extreme. I remember daredevil even got new suit some armor back then too didn’t he? I think dc was just trying to keep up with the times the best they could. Looking Back marvel had all the younger comic book creators and dc felt like it was like the old grumpy man still trying to be cool and hip but wasn’t . Sort of like it still is today not much has changed I think
I was a teenager when knightfall was coming out and I started reading it (maybe 12~13) and what gripped me from the start was actuallyJim Aparo's art. I loved the grounded nature of it and that it looked mature and realistic, which i though was a great fit for the dark story. I couldn't stand Image comics at the time, which to me looked confusing and flashy and to be honest, even at the time, juvenile. it really is all a matter of opinion :)
@@JoseMiguelp all valid opinions. Image stuff wasn’t for everyone and it was flawed stuff for sure
Michel Fiffe is not going to like this lol
I got the audio book lol all the parts were voice acted and actually really good
5:44 have to agree, I never collected DC comics outside of the random mini-series (like Bisley’s Lobo).
DC’s editorial always forced traditional layouts and figure drawing that came off flat on their main titles and the coloring was just awful.
Funny thing though DC’s art pool has gotten more favorable since then, and in my opinion better than most of what Marvel is putting out these days.
Both companies need to go back to marketing great artists and pulling talent with striking art styles.
Wait is this Batman or a Big O comic? 🤨
Ninja Batman was best Batman transformer... debate me!!
Alfred was Best Batformer😂
I got Batman #500.😀👍
Nice review
Lex Luthor contributed to the re-building of Gotham City after the earthquake. it's canon. But I dunno who that other bald dude is.
The bald guy was called Zombie, one of Bane's lackeys I think who altered the venom drug for Bane to use.
in the 90's Marvel was definitely better than DC.. I feel like DC is better than Marvel now.
@@feeWAIVER i honestly wouldn’t even know anymore.
Man, you're right. That art sucked. I remember getting hyped on the covers, then opening them up and thinking what is this nerdy old school shit? I'm 10, and used to Jim Lee!
@@RadChannel exactly! Me too man.
"I never was into DC comics."
That automatically disqualifies you from having any ground to stand on when judging their books. Sorry dude.
Uh…. Thats not at all how it works at all but yeah.. thanks for offering an opinion.
DC artwork usually sucked. The characters are great, but the comics were not. Much better as cartoons or movies. Marvel is why comics were so popular. They carried the industry for many years, mostly Spider-Man and X-Men.
Yeah, back when they were the House of Ideas. Now that house needs renovation.
Jim Aparo is a Batman legend but yes he got boring over the years
His art by this time just couldn't compete with the Image guys.
@@raulzavala9061 yes. That’s true. Every generation has this problem in the arts that’s why the argument “who’s the best is nonsensical. There will never be the best or the greatest because each individual has their strengths and weaknesses and will always be beat by the next young artist coming up
Not gonna lie, Jim Apparo is pretty basic.
In his advancing age yes but check out his 1970's work on Brave & The Bold it's fantastic.
GREAT REVIEW ROBDC SUCKSWELL, NOT ALL OF IT BUT MOST OF IT