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Intel: Our scores are not so good right now and they probably won't get any better in the next couple of years so you should stop looking at benchmarks!
Intel winning benchmarks Intel: Look at the benchmarks. We are winning. Intel losing on benchmarks Intel: Don't mind the benchmarks. We are winning anyway in real world. Me: WTF is that Intel?
Yeah, for CPUs I left Intel when Ryzen hit and unless they dropped their prices by 40-50% on the street I will never go back to them. Besides that shit they were about to pull where the chip gets soldered in so upgrade the CPU you need to buy a new mobo really pushed me away. I normally buy a new mobo as well because I grew up and ceased to buy upgrades every year to 18 months so a new mobo is normally needed but at least I prefer the option to be there (my Ryzen 5 1600 I can use my B450 with even a Ryzen 5 3600 with a UEFI upgrade and the speed increase is roughly 2x for the same temps) in case I want to. Intel is power trippin'.
Unfortunately Intel stopped innovation years ago! they found themselves in a cozy spot which instead of pushing for new type of transistors, materials, architectures, etc... , their main driver was minimum-feature-size reduction base on latest offering of ASML and others. It might not be an issue for a small fab-less company like AMD but Intel had the resources and stopped.
Well the only "benchmark" that matters is the one you have done virtually and/or physically on the hardware you will actually use with the CPU. That most likely will be below the numbers posted on GamersNexus. GamersNexus makes everything as equal and as the same as they can but reality is not that so if you can run it on the hardware you are planning to buy before you buy it then that will be the ONLY thing that matters. You also have the motherboard makers screw with the numbers too. Benchmarks are good to see the improvement from gen to gen and when comparing AMD to Intel to nVidia to ARM. Most us can't buy an ARM chip so GamersNexus doesn't benchmark them.
@@GamersNexus I don't trust AMD at all, even less than Intel, and that's going some, they've screwed me over on support issues in the past and are effectively blacklisted by me. They've screwed customers yet again with AM4, I saw that coming when they launched it but not in the way it transpired. At least you know where you stand with Intel (even if it's not in a good place). btw at 9:40 it's Corsair selling the Corsair One not Intel. (Think Intel triggered you today, understandably).
I guess PT should be terrified right now, their biggest client and sponsor has just called them irrelevant and surplus to requirements. I mean that’s unless the CEO was talking out of his lower hole with these benchmarks making a return as soon as Intel remembers how to make an architecture. I remember a certain Cinebench statement not so long ago only to see an advert for Intel graphics using Cinema 4D one week later.
Graham Miller Principled Technologies admitted their mistakes right to Steve's face and Intel had nothing to do with the fiasco. Intel trusted PT do do testing for them and they botched it up. It's mute anyway because people have to HATE something so Intel is the punching bag. We all now what all the HATE and racism in the USA has done.
@wysetech2000 , funny because according to PT own website under clients they not only have Intel listed but also a list of jobs from 2020 and 2019 commissioned by Intel. So that statement is completely false, what I want to know is why you are going out of your way to defend Intel? By the way Intel published the benchmarks, don’t tell me they didn’t realise the problems before publication, that’s would be a level of incompetence on the level of PT.
@@AlfaPro1337 To be real, "you are free to make your own choice" vs "change your focus" is very different. In theory, AMD ask the user to make their choice, but Intel on the other hand "you are looking at the wrong stuff. Benchmarks arent reliable. Here see why you should still buy from us".
@@muhammadkhairulafiq2917 Each has it's best use. Gamers should benefit from Intel and editing can be faster with AMD. If you do both you should research what you want to do and go either way.
@@primodragoneitaliano Shogun 2 is pretty poorly optimized. I have ~2000 hours in that game and have played it on hardware ranging from an AMD Phenom II 720 with a GTX 275 through my current i7-8700k with a GTX 1080Ti. There are a couple of graphics settings that do very little for the quality of the graphics but absolutely TANK performance. Battle modes are fine regardless of graphics settings, but the campaign mode can get really bad depending on your graphics settings. The campaign mode gets significantly worse over time as more of the map is revealed, which is probably due to the game engine actually rendering everything on the campaign map regardless of whether or not it is on your screen at the moment. The closest system to your PC I have played the game on was an i7-5930k + GTX 980, which did require tweaking graphics settings a little bit to keep the campaign map over 60 FPS at all times. Battle modes were over 100 FPS at all times. What I found to be the most painful about that game, and still do now, is the loading times. On mechanical drives it used to take longer than 2 minutes to load the game (from starting the game to the Sega logo playing). SSD's took that load time down to around 36 seconds, my 960 EVO NVME drive only gets it down further to a still slow 30 second load time.
So, according to Intel, we need a way to measure CPU performance without benchmarking... okay... something that is like benchmarking but not actually benchmarking... hmmm... To measure the benefits of the technology on society... An egg and spoon race? A spitting competition? How about pick a number between one and a thousand?
Intel 2016: Look at us or suffer, because we win at benchmarks, stock price, money, games, everything. Intel early 2017: pffft you don't need 8 cores, 4 cores are still enough for the foreseeable future, here have a rebadged chipset and a couple hundred more Mhz Intel late 2017: Look at our new future focused 6 core chips! Also have another chipset in which we have killed backwards compatability, for like, no reason. Intel 2018: Look at our new future proof 8 core chips! Also have another chipset in which we have killed backwards compatability, for like, no reason. Intel 2019: Look at games and "real world" benchmarks because we win by a few % in games and we decide that "real world" are the benchmarks we win at Intel 2020: uh don't look at benchmarks anymore but hey look over here at some cuddly warm feelings, think of the puppies and toasted marshmallows #insertvirtuesignallinghashtaghere
hikeskool Intel was pushing hard for gaming. Once ryzen 4000 Notebooks came out and gaming was stronger and the 3300x. Intel knows it’s going to lose the one thing it clinched to for years. So now they don’t want any bench marking. Just buy on feelings. How do those security vulnerabilities feel? Amazing right.
Intel then : - Keep refreshing SkyLake like a humble - Using dirty tactics to make AMD Bankrupt - Price high like a sky & don't care about consumers - 4 cores 8 thread is the best they said - same architecture from broadwell - Benchmark is everything Intel now - I9 9980XE $1899, I9 10980XE $999 - 6x More soldiers - Crying 14nm+++++++++++++++++ - DOA on mobile device 4000 series - OC 5,3 GHZ only 1 minute boost - I9 10900K 10 cores 20 threads - dead XEON - Will not release CPU HEDT in 11th gen (rumor) - nuclear reactor consumption - *DoN't FoCus On BeNcHmArK, jUsT* *BuY oUR cPu ItS bEtTeR tHaN AmD*
" Using dirty tactics to make AMD Bankrupt" That's not accurate. Intel is a business just like AMD is a business. They aren't kids in high school vying for popularity. AMD has the console market and getting that market wasn't a "dirty tactic".
Intel has really gone into a downward spiral in the CPU market. Their tactics completely shattered when AMD broke Intel's Monopoly. It seems like they're on full damage control even though their attempts just added fuel into the fire. They still refuse to lower their prices to be more competitive and still refuse to leave 14nm. Meanwhile AMD has started to compete with itself by accident because they have nothing else to compete with. Every attempt that Intel made to compete with Intel and to hide their shortcomings get more and more pathetic. Really the only way Intel can do to still have a chance to stay on the same level as AMD is accept their shortcomings and lower their prices.
Good morning! I have learned so much from you and other you-tubers lately on the topics of PC, thank you. I am in my late 50s, health care provider, still working and helping anyone on the need of help. Actively working in office and hospitals. No experience on computers besides buying one already made and trying to understand the software. I took PC building and testing as therapy to recover from a small CVA since May first. In one month, I have built two systems with your advices. One for me and another for my wife which she is a you-tuber like you. There are many ways to help people, we are a great nation. What define our country is us! I am recovering and ready to move forward and continue helping others. I will share this statement with the other you-tubers that helped me too. Thinking in my third project but need to learn more about overclocking and benchmark. Sorry for Intel. I support them but AMD will dominate if graphics are integrated in their CPUs. More people will buy and start projects with less money waking up potential chronic buyers of their technology. Thank you. PS. Keep the good work. If you allow me, thanks to Paul’s Hardware and JayzTwoCents.
Intel: *boasts about having the best gaming processors with some marketing numbers to show* Also Intel: Benchmarks are bad, mmkay? Apparently, the fact that the 10600K is almost as good in gaming performance as the 10900K (verified by people like GN), making 10th gen as a whole more appealing wasn’t enough for them...
I think they know the Zen2 refresh is about to trounce them, meaning Zen3 is going to be unstoppable, so they activated the full cult mode option to bypass real-world facts.
@panklog2006 If anything, I actually have quite a lot of respect for their engineers, being that they took the aging 14nm architecture and pushed it so hard while still managing to not be left behind all that much (and still managing to hold onto the gaming crown for now). It's far from ideal and I'd bet they'd rather be doing so on 10nm but it's gonna be a while more until that arrives, in which this is their best option for now.
I had the 2600k back in the day. It was an awesome CPU, easily one of my favorite ones. It also overclocked really well for even more performance. I'm currently using Threadripper 3970x because Intel doesn't have anything close to it in terms of cores, performance and price. Yea, I need all of the cores for my productivity work and the more the merrier.
@@hikeskool You have a very strange idea of what "domination" means. AMD CPUs are actually faster in some games, but sure, the best Intel CPUs are still ahead, on average, but they also cost a lot more than a 3600, and the 3600 is the most expensive gaming CPU worth getting for over 99% of gamers (assuming that gaming is the most demanding thing that you do on your PC). Whether AMD or Intel is faster in a given game, they are virtually always so close to each other that you simply cannot tell the difference, and even in those rare cases where you might be able to tell some kind of a difference, it will be a very small difference. If paired with a mainstream videocard you won't be able to tell the difference between a 3600 and ANY of Intel's best CPUs. All these allegedly "best" (fastest) gaming CPUs are not really gaming CPUs at all. Sure, if you have lots of money, and you want really good gaming performance right now, get a 10600k or 8700k or 9700k. Anything more expensive than one of those is just SUPER pointless. sure, you might be able to afford a 9900k or a 10900k, but you WON'T NOTICE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE, even with a 2080 ti. If you want to blow money on something just because it's more expensive, buy a fancy computer case, or a fancy watch or something.
Intel like most companies - and people - at the moment: "Feels before Reals", virtue signalling and appeals to emotion!!! Jebus, why can't companies just make good products nowadays????
Because people are stupid. It is only about emotions, because everyone is a special snowflake and gets constantly offended and their "pwecious feewings" hurt. It's not about real, actual facts anymore. Only about how you feel. People do not care anymore about what's true. Of course companies will cater to that.
As an owner of an Intel build, I FEEL embarrassed that this ASS-HAT (Swan) attempted to leverage our current situations mixed with some non-sense to make a play at consumers...
Thanks for the news update Steve, always good to be in the know. I have been running " hardware accelerated GPU scheduling" for a while in the Win10 "Insider" branch as well. And I recently installed Win10 May 2020 Update as well. So I have got my hands on NVIDIA dev 450.99 drivers (DCH and Standard versions) and it is quite interesting. When enabled you can see in "Task Manager" that your GPU usage is always active when enabled. Instead of your GPU usage sitting at 0% when doing nothing it is always active, jumping quite high usage wise at times. So you actually see the "hardware accelerated GPU scheduling" in effect. It does not change GPU clocks or raise temps though. But I have noticed some improvements in various games and have had no issues so far. I have been to busy to do thorough testing with 450.99 drivers but I will try this weekend. But it is fantastic that we are getting this feature finally, in theory it has lots of potential. And in practice I have seen increases in min and average FPS as well in some games, DX11 and DX9 included. Its is API agnostic as you have said. This is most certainly an feature people should be looking forward to. But with NVIDIA, only Pascal and newer cards need apply, anything older has no incoming support.
@@lorsch. I am not running an multi GPU system, so I am not sure. But I don't think so. It is basically a system wide setting, you enable it and have to restart your system after doing so. As long as your GPUs supports it (Pascal and newer for NVIDIA) then it will be available to be enabled. I am not sure what happens with 2 GPUs if one supports it and the other doesn't though. I think in that case you won't be able to enable it as it is a system wide setting. It cannot be set on a per application basis either, it is either on or off.
@@lorsch. But I do know that Intels iGPU will also be getting support, I am not sure which gens though. So in a laptop with capable Intel iGPU and capable NVIDIA/AMD GPUs, you should be able to enable it system wide I'd think. I do know that Intels iGPUs are actually also a target of the feature to improve performance such as video playback.
@@tacipotti7289 Right. Compare the 3600 to 10600k. There is a 7% difference and 4% at 1440p in favour of intel at gaming specifically. When overclocked its closer to 10% difference in gaming. Motherboard and cooler included you are paying DOUBLE the € compared to the 3600. Of double the price of worthy of a 10% performance gap then go right ahead.
Thank you Steve for the story about the Corsair SF PSUs! I have an SF750 in the product number range currently running in my ITX HTPC build, and have just submitted the ticket for replacement. Really appreciate you finding these stories and looking out for us! Makes me very proud of my Patreon support of you and your team.
Think they have been doing that since the “Principled Technologies” debacle. You know, back when they liked benchmarks so much they paid companies to make them to bias them further.
like I have been saying for years, Intel buyers are like Apple buyers, clearly Intel agrees with me too. No idea why Intel subs always downvote me for saying what Intel CEO are saying.
Thank you for the info on corsair PSU recall! "However, the company says the recall is limited to units manufactured between October 2019 and March 2020, with lot codes 194448xx to 201148xx." I got relieved when I checked and mine starts with 194348... :D
I don't remember my feelings for my hardware compensating for dropped frames. I loved the first pc my friend helped me build, but 7 years later no matter how much I loved it, it just didn't run newer games.
I think I know why Intel has been so hesitant to launch their 10nm line up on desktop. There is no way that they can make their new process node run at the 5.3 GHz class that their 14nm silicon currently can. And since they've been stagnant on IPC improvements for such a long time, that won't be acceptable to their "fans" and customers. Power consumption reduction alone won't be enough so they are just biding their time, optimizing their 10nm to hit higher clocks so they won't be embarrassed when they release it.
Thank you! The first episode made me really laugh! The first thing that came to my mind after I read Intels comment on benchmarks was that it sounds just like Apples marketing speach.
But even if you use Firefox and click on a Google Ad link, Google can still track you, just as with it's apps (like gmail, drive, g-suite, office,etc), search engine, Google Analytics and much more services. This has nothing to do with incognito mode. Incognito mode just means that you start with a 'fresh' browser (read: no cookies). Google has described very clearly what incognito does and doesn't do. Here's a quick link: support.google.com/chrome/answer/9845881?visit_id=637270329804946509-1324534652&p=incognito&rd=1 (second item - How Incognito mode protects your privacy). To me this is just another case of users that assume things instead of reading what something really does and than blame others if it doesn't do what they assumed. User stupidity is not a fault of Google. That said, the horizon of Google is pretty scary. I do wonder how many of those plaintiffs are using a Google Android phone and have Google Search as their default search engine.. Firefox comes with the Google Search as its default search engine. So, you are still leaking a lot of information to Google regardless which browser you are using. It also does not help that even Microsoft is not using Chrome render engine for it's Edge browser..
The statement of not focusing on benchmarks but essentially user experience is something I can get behind. Wasn't long ago that minimum FPS wasn't highlighted. An R9 390 can easily get 150+ a lot of the time in Fortnite, but if the 1% lows are below 60, that's kind of shit. If I could afford it, I'd grab a 2070 or something to avoid ever dropping below 60. Vsync on, OBS recording at monitor res and refresh rate. Free Sync would be potentially great, but I hear enough problems with OBS translating that to a constant rate. I still nerd out about the stuff, but like Wendell's recent interview title... "computers barely work". Seen a linkd in post of AMD apparently looking for a USB engineer; bad USB would be bad user experience.
Steve : reasonable, sound reasoning for why Keegan would want to pre-oder an R3 3300X Keegan, editing his statement at 6:14 "I preordered it because it had an X in it's name" ROFLMAO :'DDDDD
9:41 Intel also sold these power supplies in its Corsair One product line. I'm fairly certain that Corsair makes the Corsair One line of computers. In all seriousness, you and your team do great work! I've been here since before 100k :3
You guys should dive more into the privacy problems of the internet. “Opting out” is pretty much useless now. They still collect info, they still track location (usually ip address), they still keep search history. The list goes on.
Intel; "Our product is better!" Reviewers; "Actually, this benchmark shows ..." Intel; "BETRERRRRRR!" Reviewers; "But..." Intel; "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!"
Don't like either company, they are companies and not your friend. Buy the product that works best for your needs at the prices you can afford. "They literally have nothing new to offer kind of like Apple 👎" Literally? A CPU line up with all with hyperthreading is an improvement over their previous gen stuff, but nothing from AMD or Intel is revolutionary. The performance numbers have gone up a little with each new generation, but nothing has really been "new". Our computers are basically the same as they were 10 years ago only their performance has improved.
@@robertp457 I'd say AMD was able to rise up again and defeat a self loving company that enjoyed trickling out revisions over their previous models and sell them at premiums. AMD has designed state of the art processors that fit on a conventional die size (3950X) that blew Intel's heavily overpriced products out of the water. That seems to be revolutionary to me yet Intel still doesn't innovate except for price drops and more cores.... yawn, boring. AMD does listen to it's customer's and knows what they want where Intel just releases a new product and expect the sheep to bleet and buy. That's one way to drive a business straight into the ground. Maybe you should compare the price to performance of EPYC processors with Intel's Xeon "equivalent". You can pick up a 3990x 64 core processor for around $4000, definitely not pocket money but if you look at what Intel has to offer for that kind of performance there is nothing that can really compare.
I'm an avid AMD fan, but i don't think i like the current events of the "Red" vs "Blue" team, mainly because AMD has been butchering Intel for quite some time now and if they continue they will end up like intel a few years back. With no real competition and no real inovations. Wish team blue ups their game a bit.
Intel is WAY bigger than amd nd even now is making way more money than amd, I'd prefer the butcher continue just a lil longer so by the time Intel fixes it's inadequacies, amd is able to keep up rather than get destroyed again like we've seen in the past.
How i feel when buying intel ..dissapointed when looking back 4 generations and see pretty much the same performance.... how my bank account feels ..empty ,How i feel when buying AMD glad i dident have to upgrade and rebuild my complete system ..how my bank account feels ....sad and emty but it understands if you want 16 cores i wil cost a bit xd
How someone buying a Xeon E5-1680 V2 (which is an 8-core / 16-thread socket LGA2011 Intel CPU from 2013, that has 25mb cache, supports quad-channel memory, is unlocked for overclocking, and has a 3.0ghz base clock with a 3.9ghz turbo clock) off Ebay for $150 because used Xeon prices are wildly better than used i7 prices for some reason: Good as hell because that chip with a decent OC literally outperforms the Ryzen 7 2700x, a CPU released five years later, as far as gaming is concerned. Zen 2 was the first Ryzen lineup wholly worth buying in any way, IMO. Everything before was just AMD playing not-quite-catchup with significantly older Intel chips. Is the Ryzen 5 1600 AF a good deal if you can actually find it for $85? Yes. Is it still in any case a chip that at best has roughly equal gaming performance to a stock Haswell i7-4790K from 2014 paired with decent RAM, and one that gets pretty firmly *beaten* by a decently OCed i7-4790K paired with decent RAM? Also yes.
soundtuner1 I don't feel sorry for anyone who bought Intel and paid too much. Why didn't you buy AMD? Ohh, it was trash so i guess you paid more for the best!
ty for being one of the few tech channels that loves and hates both intel and amd. i am slowly getting tired of other channel's benchmark videos when they clearly like one brand way more than the other and defending the weak points of the one they like with weird reasoning other than what they label their video. you've shown the good and bad sides of each that feel unbiased \m/,
@@robertp457 it's not just basic data. they don't show any favoritism. they point out the bullshit marketing of both amd and intel. they call out the shady side of each brand without making one look better than the other and give them props where it is deserved
If they were same price and performance I'd say go with the one that feels better. Unfortunately... Feels better to me means not getting rooed up the behind by intel
Props to Corsair for being extremely detailed and thorough on the RMA for those PSUs... hopefully it's just that SF series that are affected, otherwise my TXM Gold 650W runs like a champ.
Wow, thanks for publicising the Corsair recall... For some reason, my country is not included in their form and there's no email address I can find to contact them about it. I've tweeted at them but can't even send them a "I have another problem" choice in their contact form on their website because the same issue exists... hopefully I can get this sorted as I live in a hot and very humid country! :/
I was not surprised to see Corsair recall psus, as I had 50% afr on the more expensive ax series, one 850w gold and one 860w platinum gone south... The good thing is no other component was damaged, the psus just never turn on. After that I switched to another vendor.
The narration of the graph at 7:59 makes it sound like AMD's annual shipments increased by ~80m each year, but the graph shows cumulative shipments while the annual shipments seem to have decreased slightly.
On the DOD IPv6 article, I work in a DOD healthcare facility and honestly I don't think it has hit home and become important enough to care within the DOD to make this happen outside of the IT workforce. Literally, we have had network outages happen weekly.
I recently got an SF750 and somehow it's a pre 194448xx lol. Anyone buying now and for the next few months will end up with a possible faulty one. *I'm pressing F to pay respects for all affected.*
PHEW! Glad I went with a be quiet! PSU for my SFF build. I almost went the Corsair route and my PSU would likely have fallen into that time frame where the faulty batch is.
Dude, y'all are on point with the brilliant criticism of industry bullshit as always, but it's stepped up lately and I appreciate it. More Steve snark is never bad.
The slow pace of IPv6 can be summarized in two factors. - ISPs are slow to roll it out. - IPv6 is hard to implement because it's so different from IPv4 that is well-known. One of the main problems that we all see is that the leading groups trying to get in IPv6 also says that "NAT is bad". I see that if NAT and IPv6 can't coexist then it will take a lot longer to implement it because a lot of organizations and private persons aren't willing to expose the internal set of IP addresses they have.
For the first time in my life I broke my golden rule and pre-ordered an SF750. I've always avoided it because in my head, if a product isn't on a shelf yet, then anything between extracting the metal from the earth until it reaches that shelf can go wrong. First time I break that rule, and this happens. Serves me right. 🤣 My pre-order was delayed by a further 2 weeks though so hopefully mine will arrive and be from a newer batch that I don't have to RMA!
I have an sf600, a Seagate barracuda and three Hitachi drives, all of whose batches have had huge issues. They haven't failed so far and I've had them for years up to decades. Talk about luck!!!
A long time ago, corsair made the best power supplies. I still use my Corsair HX620 from 2007. It's gone through a lot. I think they changed manufacturers around 2012.
My confidence in corsair remains high because they disclosed the problems and try to fix the situation. All my power supplies are Corsair and i wil continue to buy them.
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Mistake at 9:40, called Corsair Intel
If we can buy instagrammer bathwater why can't we buy GN Steve shirts?
GN can you refer to OEM making PSUs when talking about PSUs? Corsair doesn't even make PSUs and these recalled units looks like HEC PSUs
I think you misread the statistics in AMD gpu shipment segment, the graph lists the total shipments since 2013 not the annuall shipments.
2:48 In other words. The Patriots cant win Every game.
Intel: Our scores are not so good right now and they probably won't get any better in the next couple of years so you should stop looking at benchmarks!
Intel gets better benchmarks. They pay for ads on every website lol
@@hikeskool well because the gaming market share is maybe high on this youtuber side but for the whole market .. gaming does not even reach 15%...
@@hikeskool To be honest I am an Intel fanboy but seriously bro just stop arguing with people and wait for Intel to release something competetitive
@@hikeskool What?Are you on drugs?You are a snowflake and a fanboy.That is the worst duo ever.
I've crashed computers using intel chips doing real work.
Over and over and over.
Intel winning benchmarks
Intel: Look at the benchmarks. We are winning.
Intel losing on benchmarks
Intel: Don't mind the benchmarks. We are winning anyway in real world.
Me: WTF is that Intel?
Yeah, for CPUs I left Intel when Ryzen hit and unless they dropped their prices by 40-50% on the street I will never go back to them. Besides that shit they were about to pull where the chip gets soldered in so upgrade the CPU you need to buy a new mobo really pushed me away. I normally buy a new mobo as well because I grew up and ceased to buy upgrades every year to 18 months so a new mobo is normally needed but at least I prefer the option to be there (my Ryzen 5 1600 I can use my B450 with even a Ryzen 5 3600 with a UEFI upgrade and the speed increase is roughly 2x for the same temps) in case I want to. Intel is power trippin'.
Unfortunately Intel stopped innovation years ago! they found themselves in a cozy spot which instead of pushing for new type of transistors, materials, architectures, etc... , their main driver was minimum-feature-size reduction base on latest offering of ASML and others. It might not be an issue for a small fab-less company like AMD but Intel had the resources and stopped.
jay Vee Intel has been caught bribing outlets and devs to skew benchmarks in their favor
@共匪 共匪 共匪 共匪 共匪 共匪 that kind of marketing wont work on intellectual people lol
Well the only "benchmark" that matters is the one you have done virtually and/or physically on the hardware you will actually use with the CPU. That most likely will be below the numbers posted on GamersNexus. GamersNexus makes everything as equal and as the same as they can but reality is not that so if you can run it on the hardware you are planning to buy before you buy it then that will be the ONLY thing that matters.
You also have the motherboard makers screw with the numbers too.
Benchmarks are good to see the improvement from gen to gen and when comparing AMD to Intel to nVidia to ARM. Most us can't buy an ARM chip so GamersNexus doesn't benchmark them.
Gamers Nexus: does benchmarks
Intel: Wait, that's illegal
@engineer99 It's a joke :)
Benchmarks destroy the user experience, it's a spoiler!
AMD the next day: Guys don't look at gaming benchmarks, just look at the experience you get at gaming.
Checkmate Intel
Actually true.
@@GamersNexus I don't trust AMD at all, even less than Intel, and that's going some, they've screwed me over on support issues in the past and are effectively blacklisted by me. They've screwed customers yet again with AM4, I saw that coming when they launched it but not in the way it transpired. At least you know where you stand with Intel (even if it's not in a good place). btw at 9:40 it's Corsair selling the Corsair One not Intel. (Think Intel triggered you today, understandably).
Flash backs to zen one and 720p benchmarks
@@clansome Lol Trigger Troll
@@clansome they backtracked on the am4 thing. But, GN is a independent company so it's there job to analyse companies products. Not fanboy them.
Intel seems to have forgotten the "Principled Technologies" fiasco from 2018
I guess PT should be terrified right now, their biggest client and sponsor has just called them irrelevant and surplus to requirements. I mean that’s unless the CEO was talking out of his lower hole with these benchmarks making a return as soon as Intel remembers how to make an architecture. I remember a certain Cinebench statement not so long ago only to see an advert for Intel graphics using Cinema 4D one week later.
nah they want YOU to forget the PT fiasco
Graham Miller Principled Technologies admitted their mistakes right to Steve's face and Intel had nothing to do with the fiasco. Intel trusted PT do do testing for them and they botched it up. It's mute anyway because people have to HATE something so Intel is the punching bag. We all now what all the HATE and racism in the USA has done.
@@backupplan6058 Intel doesn't use PT anymore, since the fiasco. Unfortunately PT is the only company that can test the efficiency of Ai.
@wysetech2000 , funny because according to PT own website under clients they not only have Intel listed but also a list of jobs from 2020 and 2019 commissioned by Intel. So that statement is completely false, what I want to know is why you are going out of your way to defend Intel?
By the way Intel published the benchmarks, don’t tell me they didn’t realise the problems before publication, that’s would be a level of incompetence on the level of PT.
Keegan looks in that shot like how that first Intel story makes me feel.
someone give me a time stamp for this moment
@@sparky3000200 6:00
@@victorgarciacadroy4013 dang that was speed
Intel be like "It's not a processor it's a lifestyle"
"Hey guys let's stop using benchmarks ok?" - undisputed loser 2020
Didn't AMD pulled the same stunt with their Faildozer? Saying "it's up to the user"
@@AlfaPro1337 To be real, "you are free to make your own choice" vs "change your focus" is very different. In theory, AMD ask the user to make their choice, but Intel on the other hand "you are looking at the wrong stuff. Benchmarks arent reliable. Here see why you should still buy from us".
@@muhammadkhairulafiq2917 Each has it's best use. Gamers should benefit from Intel and editing can be faster with AMD. If you do both you should research what you want to do and go either way.
Intel feels like it's pulling a Chinese Communist government party line with "just trust us"...
Jeeze, is the Bulldozer marketing team among the people Intel has poached from AMD as of late?
CEO said that!? Wow "screw competition and just buy it blind, it won't hurt you, right!?"
"It just works!" and "Just buy it", famous last words of a CEO.
@@John__K You have to be wearing a leather jacket for it to work!
Imagine this mentality blanketing the economy
@@John__K Sounds like a Bethesda game conference...
*16 TIMES THE POWER*
consumption
i mean, we all know that the only truly meaningful benchmark is the amount of soldiers you can get in Total War anyway
Or how many fps you can get to run Crysis without gpu
lmao ain't it the truth.
Tried to play Total War Shogun 2 expecting good framerates given my PC (i7 5820K + R9 Fury). Got 30 or below FPS instead xD
@@sandiaswara1940 AMD would win this one though xD
@@primodragoneitaliano Shogun 2 is pretty poorly optimized. I have ~2000 hours in that game and have played it on hardware ranging from an AMD Phenom II 720 with a GTX 275 through my current i7-8700k with a GTX 1080Ti. There are a couple of graphics settings that do very little for the quality of the graphics but absolutely TANK performance. Battle modes are fine regardless of graphics settings, but the campaign mode can get really bad depending on your graphics settings. The campaign mode gets significantly worse over time as more of the map is revealed, which is probably due to the game engine actually rendering everything on the campaign map regardless of whether or not it is on your screen at the moment. The closest system to your PC I have played the game on was an i7-5930k + GTX 980, which did require tweaking graphics settings a little bit to keep the campaign map over 60 FPS at all times. Battle modes were over 100 FPS at all times.
What I found to be the most painful about that game, and still do now, is the loading times. On mechanical drives it used to take longer than 2 minutes to load the game (from starting the game to the Sega logo playing). SSD's took that load time down to around 36 seconds, my 960 EVO NVME drive only gets it down further to a still slow 30 second load time.
So, according to Intel, we need a way to measure CPU performance without benchmarking... okay... something that is like benchmarking but not actually benchmarking... hmmm... To measure the benefits of the technology on society... An egg and spoon race? A spitting competition? How about pick a number between one and a thousand?
Intel 2016: Look at us or suffer, because we win at benchmarks, stock price, money, games, everything.
Intel early 2017: pffft you don't need 8 cores, 4 cores are still enough for the foreseeable future, here have a rebadged chipset and a couple hundred more Mhz
Intel late 2017: Look at our new future focused 6 core chips! Also have another chipset in which we have killed backwards compatability, for like, no reason.
Intel 2018: Look at our new future proof 8 core chips! Also have another chipset in which we have killed backwards compatability, for like, no reason.
Intel 2019: Look at games and "real world" benchmarks because we win by a few % in games and we decide that "real world" are the benchmarks we win at
Intel 2020: uh don't look at benchmarks anymore but hey look over here at some cuddly warm feelings, think of the puppies and toasted marshmallows #insertvirtuesignallinghashtaghere
Intel: brb going to bribe more benchmarks
Intel in a few months: Look at these benchmarks!
@@hikeskool that is all intel won. gaming by 15% while charging more..while losing to everything else.
@@marcgallant5270 Don't feed the IntelTrolls whom are ironically Unintelligent!
it not just source its any multi core enabled engine. it almost like uses more than one core will boost performance.
You mean AIBs
hikeskool Intel was pushing hard for gaming. Once ryzen 4000 Notebooks came out and gaming was stronger and the 3300x. Intel knows it’s going to lose the one thing it clinched to for years. So now they don’t want any bench marking. Just buy on feelings. How do those security vulnerabilities feel? Amazing right.
"Guys, quit doing benchmarks, you're making us look bad."
- Intel
"Remove that poll that makes it look like I might be losing, CNN"
- Trump
Intel then :
- Keep refreshing SkyLake like a humble
- Using dirty tactics to make AMD
Bankrupt
- Price high like a sky & don't care about
consumers
- 4 cores 8 thread is the best they said
- same architecture from broadwell
- Benchmark is everything
Intel now
- I9 9980XE $1899, I9 10980XE $999
- 6x More soldiers
- Crying 14nm+++++++++++++++++
- DOA on mobile device 4000 series
- OC 5,3 GHZ only 1 minute boost
- I9 10900K 10 cores 20 threads
- dead XEON
- Will not release CPU HEDT in 11th gen
(rumor)
- nuclear reactor consumption
- *DoN't FoCus On BeNcHmArK, jUsT*
*BuY oUR cPu ItS bEtTeR tHaN AmD*
" Using dirty tactics to make AMD Bankrupt" That's not accurate. Intel is a business just like AMD is a business. They aren't kids in high school vying for popularity. AMD has the console market and getting that market wasn't a "dirty tactic".
@UserShillmark no need when you have the better product and amd can make cpu/gpu one less compagnie to deal with = win win for amd
Intel has really gone into a downward spiral in the CPU market. Their tactics completely shattered when AMD broke Intel's Monopoly. It seems like they're on full damage control even though their attempts just added fuel into the fire. They still refuse to lower their prices to be more competitive and still refuse to leave 14nm. Meanwhile AMD has started to compete with itself by accident because they have nothing else to compete with. Every attempt that Intel made to compete with Intel and to hide their shortcomings get more and more pathetic. Really the only way Intel can do to still have a chance to stay on the same level as AMD is accept their shortcomings and lower their prices.
@UserShillmark Yes, Intel did that in the past, IN THE PAST!!!, like 11 years ago. How long do you think Intel should pay for that, FOREVER???
@UserShillmark Who really knows??
Good morning! I have learned so much from you and other you-tubers lately on the topics of PC, thank you. I am in my late 50s, health care provider, still working and helping anyone on the need of help. Actively working in office and hospitals. No experience on computers besides buying one already made and trying to understand the software. I took PC building and testing as therapy to recover from a small CVA since May first. In one month, I have built two systems with your advices. One for me and another for my wife which she is a you-tuber like you. There are many ways to help people, we are a great nation. What define our country is us! I am recovering and ready to move forward and continue helping others. I will share this statement with the other you-tubers that helped me too. Thinking in my third project but need to learn more about overclocking and benchmark. Sorry for Intel. I support them but AMD will dominate if graphics are integrated in their CPUs. More people will buy and start projects with less money waking up potential chronic buyers of their technology. Thank you. PS. Keep the good work. If you allow me, thanks to Paul’s Hardware and JayzTwoCents.
Intel: *boasts about having the best gaming processors with some marketing numbers to show*
Also Intel: Benchmarks are bad, mmkay?
Apparently, the fact that the 10600K is almost as good in gaming performance as the 10900K (verified by people like GN), making 10th gen as a whole more appealing wasn’t enough for them...
I think they know the Zen2 refresh is about to trounce them, meaning Zen3 is going to be unstoppable, so they activated the full cult mode option to bypass real-world facts.
I would kinda presume that the engineers at Intel aren't exactly pleased by the words of their CEO
@@hikeskool Have you read YT replies before? You must be new to this game.
@panklog2006 If anything, I actually have quite a lot of respect for their engineers, being that they took the aging 14nm architecture and pushed it so hard while still managing to not be left behind all that much (and still managing to hold onto the gaming crown for now).
It's far from ideal and I'd bet they'd rather be doing so on 10nm but it's gonna be a while more until that arrives, in which this is their best option for now.
@@matthewh6172 It's not like they had to though I guess being in a disadvantaged position for the first time in years does quite a bit on ya.
That statement by Intel legitimately creeps me out.
Intel in the past: haha we have the i7 2700k, it's dumb fast, (engine revving noises)
Intel now: hemlp, am scared of software
I had the 2600k back in the day. It was an awesome CPU, easily one of my favorite ones. It also overclocked really well for even more performance. I'm currently using Threadripper 3970x because Intel doesn't have anything close to it in terms of cores, performance and price. Yea, I need all of the cores for my productivity work and the more the merrier.
@@hikeskool You have a very strange idea of what "domination" means. AMD CPUs are actually faster in some games, but sure, the best Intel CPUs are still ahead, on average, but they also cost a lot more than a 3600, and the 3600 is the most expensive gaming CPU worth getting for over 99% of gamers (assuming that gaming is the most demanding thing that you do on your PC). Whether AMD or Intel is faster in a given game, they are virtually always so close to each other that you simply cannot tell the difference, and even in those rare cases where you might be able to tell some kind of a difference, it will be a very small difference. If paired with a mainstream videocard you won't be able to tell the difference between a 3600 and ANY of Intel's best CPUs. All these allegedly "best" (fastest) gaming CPUs are not really gaming CPUs at all. Sure, if you have lots of money, and you want really good gaming performance right now, get a 10600k or 8700k or 9700k. Anything more expensive than one of those is just SUPER pointless. sure, you might be able to afford a 9900k or a 10900k, but you WON'T NOTICE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE, even with a 2080 ti. If you want to blow money on something just because it's more expensive, buy a fancy computer case, or a fancy watch or something.
Intel 3 years ago:
"Undisputed leadership"
"AMD peasants"
Intel now:
"The industry must come together"
"Collective efforts"
~9:38 while talking about Corsair; “Intel sold these power supplies in the Corsair One”
Too much Intel discussion. That's obviously misspoken. Sorry!
Intel like most companies - and people - at the moment: "Feels before Reals", virtue signalling and appeals to emotion!!! Jebus, why can't companies just make good products nowadays????
Because people are stupid. It is only about emotions, because everyone is a special snowflake and gets constantly offended and their "pwecious feewings" hurt. It's not about real, actual facts anymore. Only about how you feel. People do not care anymore about what's true. Of course companies will cater to that.
@@ThorsShadow Was this a George Carlin bit you pasted on here?
Intel then : we will pay you 100 bucks to put our processor in your system
Intel now : we will pay you 100 buck not to look at benchmarks
Can I use the 100 bucks on an AMD cpu after not looking at the benchmarks?
Source?
@@hikeskool 2 min, and 1 like damn
@UserShillmark maybe a 50 cent army
@@BlaqZ yeah, on all of his comment. It's good to have a fan.
As an owner of an Intel build, I FEEL embarrassed that this ASS-HAT (Swan) attempted to leverage our current situations mixed with some non-sense to make a play at consumers...
@Saint Q The GamingStreaming Channel did you watch the video you are replying to a comment on?
You are not a bad person, we, AMD owners are your brothers.
They aren't "making a play at consumers" most of their business is not consumers, but large companies.
intel didnt sell u fake cores so dont feel.bad.
Arc Crenshaw
Why be embarrassed. If you're embarrassed with your build that is different.
I'm excited for the next part of the Cyberpunk build
Thanks for the news update Steve, always good to be in the know. I have been running " hardware accelerated GPU scheduling" for a while in the Win10 "Insider" branch as well. And I recently installed Win10 May 2020 Update as well.
So I have got my hands on NVIDIA dev 450.99 drivers (DCH and Standard versions) and it is quite interesting. When enabled you can see in "Task Manager" that your GPU usage is always active when enabled. Instead of your GPU usage sitting at 0% when doing nothing it is always active, jumping quite high usage wise at times. So you actually see the "hardware accelerated GPU scheduling" in effect.
It does not change GPU clocks or raise temps though. But I have noticed some improvements in various games and have had no issues so far. I have been to busy to do thorough testing with 450.99 drivers but I will try this weekend. But it is fantastic that we are getting this feature finally, in theory it has lots of potential. And in practice I have seen increases in min and average FPS as well in some games, DX11 and DX9 included. Its is API agnostic as you have said.
This is most certainly an feature people should be looking forward to. But with NVIDIA, only Pascal and newer cards need apply, anything older has no incoming support.
Thanks for the info! We'll look into it as well.
Does it let you specify which GPU to use in Windows 10 for multi GPU setups?
@@lorsch. I am not running an multi GPU system, so I am not sure. But I don't think so. It is basically a system wide setting, you enable it and have to restart your system after doing so.
As long as your GPUs supports it (Pascal and newer for NVIDIA) then it will be available to be enabled. I am not sure what happens with 2 GPUs if one supports it and the other doesn't though. I think in that case you won't be able to enable it as it is a system wide setting.
It cannot be set on a per application basis either, it is either on or off.
@@lorsch. But I do know that Intels iGPU will also be getting support, I am not sure which gens though. So in a laptop with capable Intel iGPU and capable NVIDIA/AMD GPUs, you should be able to enable it system wide I'd think.
I do know that Intels iGPUs are actually also a target of the feature to improve performance such as video playback.
Intel hates frames per $ hahaha
Yeah but beyond the $176 mark intel wins. Oddly enough with 10th at this point in time.
@@anomous2307 they dont win in frames per $ not even beyond 176$
@@tacipotti7289 Right. Compare the 3600 to 10600k. There is a 7% difference and 4% at 1440p in favour of intel at gaming specifically. When overclocked its closer to 10% difference in gaming. Motherboard and cooler included you are paying DOUBLE the € compared to the 3600. Of double the price of worthy of a 10% performance gap then go right ahead.
hikeskool amd isn't for poor people anymore.
@@hikeskool Cant afford Intel? If you want the best cpu on the market right now its hands down the r9 3950x. Its pricey...
Thank you Steve for the story about the Corsair SF PSUs! I have an SF750 in the product number range currently running in my ITX HTPC build, and have just submitted the ticket for replacement. Really appreciate you finding these stories and looking out for us! Makes me very proud of my Patreon support of you and your team.
5:59 Haven't seen a Keegan look that sad since Newcastle lost 3-4 at Liverpool in 96.
I still don't know how they lost that game........
Only just found the channel. Amazingly succinct and factual. Thank you for this kind of video helps keep me in the loop without much effort!
Welcome. You have found the bastion of truth. Spread the word.
@@Teatime4Tom Too bad this video had half truths.
@@wysetech2000 Which of the sources do you have contrary evidence to?
Intel hitting the dislike button on this video quick
lol
Think they have been doing that since the “Principled Technologies” debacle. You know, back when they liked benchmarks so much they paid companies to make them to bias them further.
@@backupplan6058 ye I remember. The dodgy benchmarks
The Poltical One Not Intel! It's because this video was based on one sentence and nothing else.
Intel...
“Yeah guys, you may wanna know, which product has the most Power for your usecase. But just don't do it and buy our parts, because yeah“
And please don't look at the price/performance ratio! Pretty please! ;)
like I have been saying for years, Intel buyers are like Apple buyers, clearly Intel agrees with me too. No idea why Intel subs always downvote me for saying what Intel CEO are saying.
@@hikeskool yep I agree, Intel fans is just like Apple fans, even Intel agrees, thanks for confirming.
let me summarize intel's statement:
"just buy it"
Intel: "It just works, stop testing it."
I believe GN's recommendation of the 10600K was based on benchmarks. Have GN inquired with Intel whether they should stop recommending the part?
Thank you for the info on corsair PSU recall!
"However, the company says the recall is limited to units manufactured between October 2019 and March 2020, with lot codes 194448xx to 201148xx."
I got relieved when I checked and mine starts with 194348... :D
I don't remember my feelings for my hardware compensating for dropped frames. I loved the first pc my friend helped me build, but 7 years later no matter how much I loved it, it just didn't run newer games.
I like to play games XD if we don’t benchmark it. It never happened. So just love it. It makes you happy because it’s your first pc. XD
That was a spicy one. I laughed hard at the Intel news 😂✌️
I think I know why Intel has been so hesitant to launch their 10nm line up on desktop. There is no way that they can make their new process node run at the 5.3 GHz class that their 14nm silicon currently can. And since they've been stagnant on IPC improvements for such a long time, that won't be acceptable to their "fans" and customers. Power consumption reduction alone won't be enough so they are just biding their time, optimizing their 10nm to hit higher clocks so they won't be embarrassed when they release it.
Interesting theory but who knows. Intel's still working on building/expanding its 10nm fabs, so they definitely have a plan
Hostile
I fully agree!
true. they make their 14nm so OP it renders their next fab process obsolete right away
Thank you!
The first episode made me really laugh! The first thing that came to my mind after I read Intels comment on benchmarks was that it sounds just like Apples marketing speach.
im sorry but even using chrome is asking for them to collect data.
just use firefox
They (Google) still collect your date either way in most cases (chrome and firefox)....
Firefox with the temporary containers extension is a huge improvement in privacy.
Add a VPN and you have a good everyday config.
The only way to protect your data is to not connect to the internet or any other network.
But even if you use Firefox and click on a Google Ad link, Google can still track you, just as with it's apps (like gmail, drive, g-suite, office,etc), search engine, Google Analytics and much more services. This has nothing to do with incognito mode. Incognito mode just means that you start with a 'fresh' browser (read: no cookies).
Google has described very clearly what incognito does and doesn't do. Here's a quick link: support.google.com/chrome/answer/9845881?visit_id=637270329804946509-1324534652&p=incognito&rd=1 (second item - How Incognito mode protects your privacy). To me this is just another case of users that assume things instead of reading what something really does and than blame others if it doesn't do what they assumed. User stupidity is not a fault of Google. That said, the horizon of Google is pretty scary.
I do wonder how many of those plaintiffs are using a Google Android phone and have Google Search as their default search engine..
Firefox comes with the Google Search as its default search engine. So, you are still leaking a lot of information to Google regardless which browser you are using. It also does not help that even Microsoft is not using Chrome render engine for it's Edge browser..
The statement of not focusing on benchmarks but essentially user experience is something I can get behind. Wasn't long ago that minimum FPS wasn't highlighted. An R9 390 can easily get 150+ a lot of the time in Fortnite, but if the 1% lows are below 60, that's kind of shit. If I could afford it, I'd grab a 2070 or something to avoid ever dropping below 60. Vsync on, OBS recording at monitor res and refresh rate. Free Sync would be potentially great, but I hear enough problems with OBS translating that to a constant rate. I still nerd out about the stuff, but like Wendell's recent interview title... "computers barely work". Seen a linkd in post of AMD apparently looking for a USB engineer; bad USB would be bad user experience.
Steve : reasonable, sound reasoning for why Keegan would want to pre-oder an R3 3300X
Keegan, editing his statement at 6:14 "I preordered it because it had an X in it's name" ROFLMAO :'DDDDD
9:41 Intel also sold these power supplies in its Corsair One product line.
I'm fairly certain that Corsair makes the Corsair One line of computers.
In all seriousness, you and your team do great work! I've been here since before 100k :3
Blank Mind Intel does not sell power supplies!
@@wysetech2000 Apparently they do now :)
@@andruloni I do know that Intel has been working on 12 PSUs so maybe they have started selling PSUs.
@@wysetech2000 Corsair PSUs, no less
You guys should dive more into the privacy problems of the internet. “Opting out” is pretty much useless now. They still collect info, they still track location (usually ip address), they still keep search history. The list goes on.
A deep dive isn't needed. If you are sending data on the internet it is visible to someone. The end.
@@robertp457 This. This exactly. Welcome to the internet. We all send and receive data. Of course that data can be traced and analysed.
Love the "Ironic Juxtapositions" clip GN
Ferrari Formula 1 team: "Don't look at where we finish, but how good our car looks" 😂
Its like dont look at the benchmark of my pc, look at my eye killing rgb light
But how can I look at your car if its being repaired all the time?
17:00 “The thing that most people don’t realize about the core wars is that was never really about the cores at all.”
"Please stop making us look like clowns" - Intel
I like how you put these gray highlight bars on every graph you show
Intel; "Our product is better!"
Reviewers; "Actually, this benchmark shows ..."
Intel; "BETRERRRRRR!"
Reviewers; "But..."
Intel; "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!"
Thanks for the heads-up on the Corsair PSU issue, I recently bought a SF750 which is in the affected range.
"We should shift away from empirical measurements and fanboy Intel" - Bob Swan
2040: "DoD completes IPv6 transition; IPv8 reaches 90% usage; IPv9 announced"
Intel just makes me like AMD even more. They literally have nothing new to offer kind of like Apple 👎
I don't like any of these megacorps.
Don't like either company, they are companies and not your friend. Buy the product that works best for your needs at the prices you can afford.
"They literally have nothing new to offer kind of like Apple 👎" Literally? A CPU line up with all with hyperthreading is an improvement over their previous gen stuff, but nothing from AMD or Intel is revolutionary. The performance numbers have gone up a little with each new generation, but nothing has really been "new". Our computers are basically the same as they were 10 years ago only their performance has improved.
@@robertp457 I'd say AMD was able to rise up again and defeat a self loving company that enjoyed trickling out revisions over their previous models and sell them at premiums. AMD has designed state of the art processors that fit on a conventional die size (3950X) that blew Intel's heavily overpriced products out of the water. That seems to be revolutionary to me yet Intel still doesn't innovate except for price drops and more cores.... yawn, boring. AMD does listen to it's customer's and knows what they want where Intel just releases a new product and expect the sheep to bleet and buy. That's one way to drive a business straight into the ground. Maybe you should compare the price to performance of EPYC processors with Intel's Xeon "equivalent". You can pick up a 3990x 64 core processor for around $4000, definitely not pocket money but if you look at what Intel has to offer for that kind of performance there is nothing that can really compare.
@@robertp457agree fully.
This channel just keep getting better and better! Thank you!
Erik Bakstad Yeah, better at half truths.
I'm an avid AMD fan, but i don't think i like the current events of the "Red" vs "Blue" team, mainly because AMD has been butchering Intel for quite some time now and if they continue they will end up like intel a few years back. With no real competition and no real inovations. Wish team blue ups their game a bit.
Intel is WAY bigger than amd nd even now is making way more money than amd, I'd prefer the butcher continue just a lil longer so by the time Intel fixes it's inadequacies, amd is able to keep up rather than get destroyed again like we've seen in the past.
BIG UP CORSAIR for recalling the defective parts and sending replacements in advance. You love to see it
Intel: "It just works, because COVID-19."
Def one of the worst uses of "In these difficult times"
Bought my SF600 in 2018! Should hopefully be good.
Intel: "Just buy it...." as they overcharge for their products....
Being an existing user of Intel and AMD, I am afraid of selective benchmarks that don't tell real-world performance.
How i feel when buying intel ..dissapointed when looking back 4 generations and see pretty much the same performance.... how my bank account feels ..empty ,How i feel when buying AMD glad i dident have to upgrade and rebuild my complete system ..how my bank account feels ....sad and emty but it understands if you want 16 cores i wil cost a bit xd
How someone buying a Xeon E5-1680 V2 (which is an 8-core / 16-thread socket LGA2011 Intel CPU from 2013, that has 25mb cache, supports quad-channel memory, is unlocked for overclocking, and has a 3.0ghz base clock with a 3.9ghz turbo clock) off Ebay for $150 because used Xeon prices are wildly better than used i7 prices for some reason:
Good as hell because that chip with a decent OC literally outperforms the Ryzen 7 2700x, a CPU released five years later, as far as gaming is concerned.
Zen 2 was the first Ryzen lineup wholly worth buying in any way, IMO. Everything before was just AMD playing not-quite-catchup with significantly older Intel chips.
Is the Ryzen 5 1600 AF a good deal if you can actually find it for $85? Yes.
Is it still in any case a chip that at best has roughly equal gaming performance to a stock Haswell i7-4790K from 2014 paired with decent RAM, and one that gets pretty firmly *beaten* by a decently OCed i7-4790K paired with decent RAM? Also yes.
soundtuner1 I don't feel sorry for anyone who bought Intel and paid too much. Why didn't you buy AMD? Ohh, it was trash so i guess you paid more for the best!
@5.42 minutes, Lol,..love the knob of Blu-Tak holding the CPU.
9:38 "Intel also sold these power supplies..." ?????????
I think he meant corsair
ty for being one of the few tech channels that loves and hates both intel and amd. i am slowly getting tired of other channel's benchmark videos when they clearly like one brand way more than the other and defending the weak points of the one they like with weird reasoning other than what they label their video. you've shown the good and bad sides of each that feel unbiased \m/,
It's not love or hate it's objective data based reporting.
@@robertp457 it's not just basic data. they don't show any favoritism. they point out the bullshit marketing of both amd and intel. they call out the shady side of each brand without making one look better than the other and give them props where it is deserved
@@robertp457 This one is based on one sentence out of a 5 minute presentation and doesn't reflect properly on what was said. Not even close!
Bob Swan: nonsensical-words, shameless-abuse-of-Covid, more-nonsensical-words
@9:10 Intel sells Corsair PSUs?
"trust us, it just works"
Thanks for the heads up on the recall! I was one digit away from being inside the bad batch... Phewf
Intel 11th gen will feature Mana good vibes and fullmoon voodooboost 5,7ghz non benchmarkable ofc !
Steve on Intel, "This one does not spark joy"
Is Intel confuse or lost !!!!
Can you do a review of the DIYPC Shadow-H3 case?
AMD: is better
Intel: politically correct feel good noises
Don't buy our competitor's products, we do more good and our products just FEEEEEEEL better.
If they were same price and performance I'd say go with the one that feels better. Unfortunately... Feels better to me means not getting rooed up the behind by intel
Props to Corsair for being extremely detailed and thorough on the RMA for those PSUs... hopefully it's just that SF series that are affected, otherwise my TXM Gold 650W runs like a champ.
Nice Intel, do go social justice route, let's see how that plays out for you.
"get woke...
Who uses Google products and expect that their Incognito mode not to track you? It's Scroogle.
Being realistic I always knew that tracking was still happening. However, it does stop others who use your pc seeing your internet history 😉
I love the new progress bar that shows what is going on
The Intel CEO's speech reminds me of Linus's recent speech about why he still loves Intel.
Wow, thanks for publicising the Corsair recall... For some reason, my country is not included in their form and there's no email address I can find to contact them about it. I've tweeted at them but can't even send them a "I have another problem" choice in their contact form on their website because the same issue exists... hopefully I can get this sorted as I live in a hot and very humid country! :/
You know you've won when your competition says we shouldn't focus on winning
It wasn't too long before Intel would be seen becoming like Apple, and now.. someone finally said it out loud~
idk why but i like to watch these news videos at 0.25 speed, its so relaxing and funny
I never knew the 2 words, "ironic juxtaposition" could be such a harsh slam. Bravo.
I was not surprised to see Corsair recall psus, as I had 50% afr on the more expensive ax series, one 850w gold and one 860w platinum gone south... The good thing is no other component was damaged, the psus just never turn on. After that I switched to another vendor.
Anyone else notice the videos timeline is now segmented and has proper captions when you mouse-hover it?! wow.
The narration of the graph at 7:59 makes it sound like AMD's annual shipments increased by ~80m each year, but the graph shows cumulative shipments while the annual shipments seem to have decreased slightly.
This. I was scrolling the comments to see if anyone else has spotted this BS.
On the DOD IPv6 article, I work in a DOD healthcare facility and honestly I don't think it has hit home and become important enough to care within the DOD to make this happen outside of the IT workforce. Literally, we have had network outages happen weekly.
I recently got an SF750 and somehow it's a pre 194448xx lol.
Anyone buying now and for the next few months will end up with a possible faulty one.
*I'm pressing F to pay respects for all affected.*
PHEW! Glad I went with a be quiet! PSU for my SFF build. I almost went the Corsair route and my PSU would likely have fallen into that time frame where the faulty batch is.
Well done young man! Eating crow is not easy but the exercises is always learning experience!
Dude, y'all are on point with the brilliant criticism of industry bullshit as always, but it's stepped up lately and I appreciate it. More Steve snark is never bad.
Intel and Nvidia:
"Just buy it"
AMD:
"Test us"
Love the timestamps in the video.
The slow pace of IPv6 can be summarized in two factors.
- ISPs are slow to roll it out.
- IPv6 is hard to implement because it's so different from IPv4 that is well-known.
One of the main problems that we all see is that the leading groups trying to get in IPv6 also says that "NAT is bad". I see that if NAT and IPv6 can't coexist then it will take a lot longer to implement it because a lot of organizations and private persons aren't willing to expose the internal set of IP addresses they have.
For the first time in my life I broke my golden rule and pre-ordered an SF750. I've always avoided it because in my head, if a product isn't on a shelf yet, then anything between extracting the metal from the earth until it reaches that shelf can go wrong.
First time I break that rule, and this happens. Serves me right. 🤣
My pre-order was delayed by a further 2 weeks though so hopefully mine will arrive and be from a newer batch that I don't have to RMA!
I have an sf600, a Seagate barracuda and three Hitachi drives, all of whose batches have had huge issues. They haven't failed so far and I've had them for years up to decades. Talk about luck!!!
A long time ago, corsair made the best power supplies. I still use my Corsair HX620 from 2007. It's gone through a lot. I think they changed manufacturers around 2012.
My confidence in corsair remains high because they disclosed the problems and try to fix the situation. All my power supplies are Corsair and i wil continue to buy them.