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When you bench CPU's you always use the RTX 2080TI Which I understand why. But it would be very helpful if you added a midrange card as well, even better a mid-lower end card as well. This will let us all get a much better understanding than just the top card does. If you do not think it will please put a poll up to find out. Thanks to you all at Gamers Nexus!
@@hardergamer How? The understanding comes from knowing its full power. Look at a gpu chart, with mid to low range gpu's you could probably expect to get every last fps from those cards.
@@hardergamer Asking for them to show a lower end GPU is just asking for a GPU benchmark. Go watch a GPU benchmark, or learn to understand what the use of a CPU benchmark is.
Steve, I suggest it's better to just call them ten ninety okay and ten sixty okay. As far as I know people in the USA spell 0 (zero) as an "oh", so 0K should be fine as oh-K. I'm just guessing here, English is my second language.
Both manufacturers is goofing up their bios launch... AMD (new tech) and Intel (trump tech) coming w/... let me pull another BS rabbit outta your hat,.. trick. 🐰🤐
I would imagine all these failures at launch are from a stumbling race by Intel to attempt to try to poach amd's consumer base with clock frequency gains 😑 I think it's too little too late. When AMD launches there Zen 3 we are promised *AT LEAST* 100MHz gains to each series of CPU vs last generation of that same series ie: 3700X vs 4700X. We are also looing at a 17-20% IPC gain as well. So even though the clock frequencies may not be a massive jump between Generations the manner in which complications are handled and how quickly they're handled is completely different and a massive Improvement in performance. So we will see massive games in benchmarks of games and workloads for editing and production software regardless the minut jump in clock frequencies 👍 Fingers crossed they deliver what is promised.
Man, I love linus, I've been following him for I don't know, around 10 years ? But his reviews don't hold a candle to yours. I mean, I watch almost every other tech youtuber, but for fun. Gamers Nexus is where I come to have actual facts. And this has been repeatedly proved times and times again.
to be fair even linus has said that multiple times that there are other sites/youtubers that do a better job with the launch day reviews. what they prefer to do is give a general base line because they know their viewers tend to fall in the casual PC user space and would otherwise not understand or lose interest in the more in-depth stuff and leave that to other reviewers. people always want to make it some sort of competition between reviewers but the reality is there isn't one. each has their own viewer base that they cater toward for how they give information.
Switzerland here, it was supposed to be available on launch day but in the end only the 10900 vanilla can be ordered and delivery is in a week...even the 3900x and 3950x had better availability on launch days for me...
Knowing how much time goes into the review cycles, I seriously applaud you guys for doing multiple in depth videos on the AMD 400 series fiasco. Keep up the great work, it's very much appreciated by all of us.
I'm excited for the day where intel is over their 14nm hurdle. They can squeeze a lot of performance out of an old node and assuming that AMD keeps up the competition i think in a few years we will have some crazy cpus
this is exactly what im looking forward to. im an admitted amd fanboi, still holding on to my heavily overclocked FX chip, but it's this sudden burst from AMD that is pushing both the hardware and software to new extremes. once intel figures out its desktop 10nm or 7nm, the ball will be slapped back at AMD with some force, and it may be up to Ryzen 4 to smack it back. its a great time to be a techy.
@@ghomerhust do remember that since now AMD can get a much higher budget for R&D, both the companies might now go head to head. (after Intel gets their 10nm of course)
@@ushdhyxywb, Intel abandoned their 10nm program, since there's no point to invest any resources into it when the competitor is beyond 7nm. Next gen of Intel desktop processors will be on 7nm chips (or maybe even 5, but this is unlikely).
@@FatterTony Probably because comets become very, very hot when passing through atmosphere 4head. Kinda like how comet lake is cold until it actually starts doing work.
GN: Intel Core i9-10900K CPU Review & Benchmarks JayzTwoCents: The Intel i9 10900K is here... But is it enough? LTT: yOuRe sTiLl gOnNa bUy iNteL Huh, they changed the titles. also GN is the gold standard for Reviews for me.
LTT’s analysis is right though. Some features that Intel has simply just work. AMD is good but Intel does some things great. Did you even watch that video? He is an entirely different league of user than you or I.
@@redrumze The only Intel feature that's really useful is Quick Sync if you do encoding. But you can use use NVEC and whatever AMD alternative there is for this if you don't mind a slight quality difference vs Quick Sync.
This was exactly like I expected. Production still loses, 1080p gaming/CPU bottleneck wins, thermals mean you don’t have to pay for heat in the upcoming winter so hey you got that going for you. Jokes aside, more great work, thanks Steve and GN crew!
I recently built a 3900x with a 2080 ti and paired it with 4k monitor. I ain't going back to 1080p ever again. I honestly think Intel will be in deep shit once 4k is mainstream and monitor prices come down. 1080p will become obsolete (In a sense) and I think Ryzen will shine more, since gaming at 4k is mostly GPU bound.
@@josuegutierrez3457 Went the same route with first gen RYZEN and a 1080Ti. Was a big mistake! 4K is achievable in the beginning but a short time later with newer games the framerates are too low on ultra and 1440p on ultra often looks better than 4K high. If it wasn't for the BIOS updates I would have been pretty fucked with RYZEN on 1440p and in retrospect a 7700K would still have been better. Expect to upgrade that 2080Ti very soon if you want to keep playing on 4K Ultra with decent framerates (60fps+). Lesson I learned from this is if you go high end get the stuff that performs best at that moment in time for the purpose in mind. So if I had to buy a PC for gaming today it would be a combination of a 10900K and a 2080Ti. However both those parts will probably be bumped off the throne within 10 months (max) so I wouldn't buy either. But a better performing CPU could mean you can upgrade the GPU in the future without problems bottlenecking. So if it had to be today I would pick the 10900K.
I love how the 3300x from AMD is rendering 85% of the frames for 20% of the price (CPU alone..not counting extra motherboard and CPU cooler costs, which would make it more like, for under 15% of the cost you can reach 85% of the frames). Insane value right there for anyone wanting a chip for only gaming. Of course if you wanna have those extra 15% frames, you'll have to pay an extra £400-500 for it, CPU/Motherboard costs alone....
@Franku Doge Does it overclock that well though? I've read you can get the 3600 up to the same speeds with overclocks. I'm an undervolter though. Jsut gonna wait for the zen3 series at this point. Seeing Intel's pricing, nothing is coming down like I thought it would. I shouldn't be surprised though.
@Nismo what a load of crock! I've never experienced this instability you speak of. It's a CPU man..meant to tick billions of times over and over reliably..and it always has for me. Intel, on the other hand, I've experienced many overheating issues.
I think that the cooling solution should be discussed a bit more. The 3900X comes with a very capable cooler to handle it, where it looks like the 10900K needs a CLC to perform as expected, and it doesn't come with it, therefore it should be added to its price.
This. Comparing only the CPU prices is not exactly fair. Not even mentioning how much you can save on the motherboard, especially if you plan to upgrade the CPU later on...
I've gotta say I'm fairly impressed with what Intel has managed to pull off with this old 14nm node. No one from 2015 would have ever guessed that their same 14nm node would eventually be able to reach 5.2GHz.
@OneAboveAll you know we are talking about the 10900X not 10900k in that comment right? Which gets eked out by the 3950x, 3900x, and 3700x(sometimes) in gaming benchmarks which are incredibly cheaper than it, granted this is a workstation CPU, though if you go that route.. it get's absolutely dunked on by AMD counter parts in thread optimized workloads.
tbh i want to look into Ryzen gen 4 for nextgen since i'm getting a whole new computer with a nvidia 3xxx GPU but i'm afraid of the software. AMD has the worst software out of any PC part company from drivers to bios. So I'll have to watch out for those issue months after release to see if it's even worth it. My 6700k OCed has never caused me a problem. AMD has bad software rep and they need to fix it. It's cool that they are getting some good hardware for a cheaper price but if i'm going to be crippled due to buying that hardware then i'm going to look the other way. For me it's like buying cheap chinese ripoff tech (phones/phone cameras/android TV/ TVs/ drones), the specs are great but the software makes it not worth it. As a PC gamer, I already waste time with: game mods, getting the best possible settings, and badly utilized games. I don't want to start messing with computer software too. I have never had a CPU/GPU software issue while owning intel/nvidia for the past 10+ years and I have the drivers setup as auto-download/install giving me the latest drivers the day of release. My girlfriend uses my computer on the main TV. This needs to be running 100% of the time. I'll hear about it if it crashes for whatever reason.
@TheGoat yea it sucks. Most reviewers don't tell you the software issues just the benchmarks from their short term testing. I want to keep my PC for multiple years.
Ya but in their case, they need the nose shrink to push a new architecture... They have literally reached the limits of what the silicon at that level can do
It would be a cool statistic, but I think you would have to be in an extremely unique scenario to have this be a factor when selecting a CPU, especially for gaming purposes.
@@coopercummings8370 Yes, that is correct. That is literally something I deal with on a daily basis. However, as you mention, that is entirely irrelevant for our discussion.
@25:14 "In this regard, Intel is running below AMD's power consumption, and so has an efficiency advantage". Stock to stock, the 3900x runs the Blender benchmark 18.6% faster for 14.3% higher power consumption. Doesn't this mean the 3900x is the more power efficient cpu in this particular test?
that is kind of insane considering intel is still on 14nm. and that is only in blender specifically, pretty sure for most other benchmarks it wasn't the case.
because his numbers are totally off.. no idea what his doing.. kit guru got 297 watt during blender while 3900x got 225.. and 3900x is faster so yeah..
@@elon6131 Nope I think Steve got this one wrong, maybe just bad wording there so I will let it pass, also looking at the next chart shows how power consumption shoots up, because of intel's crazy turbo's so your assumption is most likely wrong for most tests, especially lightly threaded ones. (I take this part of the review with a grain of salt and would like Steve to do more testing on this, also I normally watch many reviews and take an average from 10+ reviews since sample size actually matters here)
@@Tc4ify Calm down fanboy there are much more at play here, especially in terms of binning, The best 7nm chips go to Epyc and mobile so desktop gets the worst of the worst and pitting the 3900x vs the 10900k is literally intel's best binning vs AMD's worst, it has been confirmed that one of the CCD's in the 3900x is absolutely terrible silicon and that's why the 3950x is using less power, but getting higher clocks with much more performance, also as has been pointed out, Steve actually made a mistake here even by his own numbers. (Steve probably meant lower power consumption, but still less efficient)
Great video, but @25:14 I believe you made a mistake, the 10900k may have used less power, but I do believe that the 3900x is still more efficient at least for this test since Stock to stock, the 3900x runs the Blender benchmark 18.6% faster for 14.3% higher power consumption, there isn't a massive difference since even though it's 14nm vs 7nm, it's intel's best possible binning vs AMD's worst binning. Besides that this was a very great video, I would like to see more testing on the efficiency aspect though, it's got me intrigued now.
I bought a 10-9-Hundo, though, to be honest, I probably would have bought a 3950x or 3900x if I could have found a damn x570 motherboard that I wanted in stock anywhere on earth. I have no time to wait, as my daily driver build went kaput on me about a week and a half ago - so Im in dire need of a new build asap. With that said, I'm sure I'll be quite happy with the 10900k.
@@fred290e does Microcenter let you build PCs in their stores? I have one not too far from me, but I've always ordered stuff to my home and built it there.
@@honzaklos Also let alone the fact that as Steve mentions, only really applies for gaming if you're an FPS snob using a 2080TI eliminating the GPU bottleneck, which is a very small percentage of people.
Amazing how these guys are able to cover both Intel new products and AMD chipset controversy with such a deep insight in this short period of time. #RESPECT💯
@@GamersNexus This is on my personal box that primarily does Usenet and 60hz gaming. It used to be the case that you could download archives quicker then you could PAR and 7ZIP them. Now thanks to the core wars we are back to the Internet speed being the bottleneck. Unfortunately in my professional life (IT Security) there is a monopoly and we still pay $200k for servers with sandy bridge CPUs in them!!
Really wanted to preorder this CPU. But I waited for this video. I will wait and see if BIOS issues gets fixed first. So glad this channel exists! Saved a lot of headache.
Every new release comes with BIOS issues, usually Intel's are minor and last a few days to a week maybe a little longer, AMD's have lasted months on some. Rocket lake is rumored at the end of the year or beginning of next year
The x299 is a great value. Boards are cheap! Just over clock the cpu and ram really high with tight timings. The better value now. Friend of mine got the 10 core for 350$ brand new at micro center. I would not say it’s trash, but if you over clock the cores, mesh and get fast ram, it shines and even the EVGA x299 dark went on sale for 200$ at once point. It is just shy of 10% in single threaded games. Don’t understand why people bash x299. Seems like devs can’t program multi threaded render works loads like 3Dmark did.
th-cam.com/video/D1bTr96ZHrc/w-d-xo.html seems like devs are still single threaded or 2 core limited in DX12 of Vulkan. Seems like bad programming to me and gamers can’t understand this.
I think my 8700k is safe until DDR5 and PCIe 4.0. My 1080 will hopefully be looking like worth swapping out by the end of the year depending on how Nvidia and AMD deliver on GPU’s this year.
@@outdat3d-04zx10r-ha dude you have a i9 9900k you're fine.. you wanna buy a new system for 10 more fps at 1080p medium settings with a 2080 ti? Save your money wait for nvidias Amper Cards and upgrade to a 3080 ti
@@HollowRick well games like csgo and I would imagine fortnite the 10th gen had literally 100 more fps than the 9900k and the 3900x...that's not every game I know..but I should probably just wait for pcie 4 and ddr5
@@outdat3d-04zx10r-ha not really gonna be that much of Jump in them games I'd say as the 10900k is essentially i9 9900k with 2 more cores 4 more threads and 200mhz more frequency i9 9900k is good for while get a better GPU
Salt Maker the only one worth the price of upgrade would be 2080 TI and that’s minimum 900 for a used one. 3080 ti supposed to be cheaper and far faster so I’ll be looking for that.
I enjoy how embarrassingly difficult it was to find gaming scenarios that benefitted from the clock speed. Like who with a 2080ti is playing at medium or "just" high settings? And where is the fortnite bench?!
I know plenty of people who play shooters that run at the most potato settings for performance with a 2080ti at 1080p to try to push 240hz and keep those min frames as high as possible.
It'll be interesting to see if Ryzen 4000 series is able to match or even pass these Intel chips in gaming. Intel's lead isn't huge, and the rumoured IPC increases for new Ryzen could make it a really close run thing. Either way, in all seriousness, the frame rates you get these days from mid-range chips like an R5 3600 are all 99% of gamers will ever need. There seems less and less point spending top dollar with each new generation. (edit: grammar)
14nm++++++++ power! this is what happens when you limit resources, you get creative. I salute Intel's engineers for squeezing that 14nm++++++++++++++++++ really surprised for the performance, I guess this is still the best gaming(only) CPU? But hey Intel, you may wanna get that 7nm in check before our electricity bills get too high. Still going for AMD though, for productivity and some stuff.
Similar situation. i7-5930K, not really feeling the pinch yet, I'm about to drop my 3rd GPU upgrade since i built this rig 5 years ago and nothing is really taxing it. Intel stuff might be pricey, but I seem to be able to go quite a number of years between upgrades.
I'll just not waste my life, and purchase parts and and after a half of year I'll sell the the system and only need to pay the same I've paid now if I want the latest and greatest. That's what real smart people do.
3900x is a monster, and will continue to grow with the new consoles. in real world gaming it's about the same fps wise if playing ultra (like I do) Not only this, you can pverclock 6 of the cores to 4.6ghz and 6 to 4.3. it's such a great cpu.
@@no_thing_378 Yeah, Intel is still very strong on the market, you are absolutely right. For me as a customer is very important thing and it is "bang for the buck". I had always Intel, I did choose Ryzen 3900x and I know I wont go back. I would really like to see this with Amd vs Nvidia. There is only one thing sure for me, I wont buy AMD gpu after the experience I had before. Ofc every customer can have different experience with different brands or products. I am speaking just for myself. If somebody is happy with Intel, go for it, if somebody is happy with AMD, go for it. I am just very happy for being AMD around, otherwise Intel would charge arm, leg and a kidney for 2 Core Cpu. If there is no competition, you can charge as much as you want.
Honestly, this is the first time since they introduced the I9 line that intels entire line up naming scheme makes sense, at least on the desktop. I3 4c/8t, I5 6c/12t, I7 8c/16t and I9 10c/20t. As annoying as it might be to SAY the names for the first time in a LONG time this all makes sense in a way someone wouldn't need to spend a while deciphering wth the differences between chips are and if it's worth the money. Now their mobile line...holy shit that's a different story.
It's around if you buy 1000 at one time. That is the price retailers would buy it for. MSRP would be a rough % above that. The real cost also includes motherboards.
Costs at least $350 more compared to 3900x: at least $150 for a decent AIO to get similar temps to what can be achieved with 3900x's box cooler + $100 more on mb to get a b450 or b550 which delivers similar or better features (you will able to get some pcie gen.4 support on b550) + at least $100 price difference for the cpu itself (assuming it is not a paper launch), and I am not even counting the upgraded PSU cost. That is a pretty tough sell even for gamers, for $350 you would be able to upgrade the GPU a whole tier up.
24:22 The i9-10900K will be a perfect heater for my apartment this winter. I'd buy a big external radiator and put it outdoors in minus 10°C. Nice and quiet indoors. 🥶
Gamers nexus and digital foundry once again with the spectacular review. Other more popular tech you tubers poo the bed, with their click bait thumbnails, lack of benchmarks and facts, just payed off my amd to tell their viewers the intel platform isn’t comparable.
Still probably not quite good enough, I am aware of the security flaws and the numerous other disadvantages that have been beaten to death, but fair's fair, not as bad as I'd expected. Pleasantly surprised.
the security flaws are massively overhyped, and most of them are fixed by now (i think the latest two might still be exploitable but like local access so who cares.)
@@renmcmanus I have a couple. venturebeat.com/2019/05/14/intel-zombieload-flaw-forces-os-patches-with-up-to-40-performance-hits/ www.techpowerup.com/264676/intel-processors-hit-with-lvi-security-vulnerabilities-mitigation-hits-performance-hard
@@Tc4ify The funny thing about your comment is that he isn't even lying, and it shows that you're just too dumb to do a quick info check. Here are a couple of sources for you. venturebeat.com/2019/05/14/intel-zombieload-flaw-forces-os-patches-with-up-to-40-performance-hits/ www.techpowerup.com/264676/intel-processors-hit-with-lvi-security-vulnerabilities-mitigation-hits-performance-hard
well I mean if your competing with yourself you kind of set the bar I guess? glad amd is doing so well now. have no excuse for intel to fck our wallets with quad cores now
Honestly, if that's all Intel got to compete the 1year old 3900X, how do they think they will compete against the upcoming Ryzen 4900X that will be released this fall? I wouldn't even be surprised to see them lose their lead in gaming performance too... -_-
Would love to see some VR benchmarks running on a Valve Index at 120Hz and 144Hz to see if the frame time reduction on this CPU pushes it under the threshold for reprojection.
This is some high quality work. Good shit. If I had one nitpick it would be to just have comparisons of stock CPUs in most charts, maybe that's because after the 3700X being such a terrible overclocker, I don't really care about OC anymore and just run stock.
10900K thermals on mine are fantastic...the ridiculous worry over thermals was a joke..360 AIO and I am running just fine at my FPS are better than anything AMD has to offer. Clock speed >core count..
I know this is a longshot, but is it possible to ask for architectural and engineering software benchmarks?, "productivity" software is a very broad category and some of those really benefit from single core performance, like AutoCAD and Revit, in this case and if you do modelling and design but dont do rendering work, the 10900k could be a really good part, and more so if you happen to game too. Its been very confusing to find information because the "productivity" mention on AMD Ryzen 3000 series advantage, but its an imprecise description, and im not picking on this review particularly, its almost generalized, i just mentioned it here because i found most of the useful information i was looking for on this channel, please keep up the good work, it helped me a lot.
My 10900k still runs as good as it did the first day i got it, its actually INSANE what a beast it is and i dont see a need of change until atleast 5-6 years especially since im playing in 3440x1440p. my girls 9600k is starting to slack and i really notice the difference between the 9600k and then jumping on my 10900k directly after lmao. Still today worth getting if you can get one for 300-350 bucks. absolute BEAST CPU.
What gpu do you have? I got a 10900k recently for $250 and an rtx 3080, and I get micro stutters In quite a few games. Tried all sorts of troubleshooting, ddu, drivers, bios updates/tweaks, xmp, etc.
@@q-_-p.d-_-b yes, I ended up switching to an 11600k and it has solved all my issues. I have it oc'd and it's roughly 5% faster than my 10900k was at gaming, without the stuttering issue. It still has lows like every other chip but my 10900k was exceptionally bad.
Fantastic indepth review. I saw everyone elses videos up earlier but I knew GN would go deeper than a couple of thrown together benchmarks v 3900X & 9900K. 317W for 5.3ghz though! what in the actual fuck?
Hi Steve. This might perhaps a question for #askGN. If a GPU bottleneck is present in a game, would it be wrong to benchmark that same game in a lower resolution? Could that kind of data be an accurate indication of CPU performance with better graphics cards in the future?
@@zoltanbartha5352 Poor people lol. I just bought me a 3900x, and a 2080 super. Cause I have a job and calculate bills and make smart choices. The system will do anything latest consoles will do, and when I want better by that time I can sell the pc, and pay the extra half for the new stuff. you people who "wait" months, to sometimes a year lol. So much time wasted away while life is already short enough.
@@crazytech5755 I cashed my i7 6700k, mobo, ram in for a ryzen 3600, good x570 mobo and 16gb 3200mhz ram. Only paid £150 to "upgrade" the new 4th gen is literally around the corner that's why I got the 3600. I'm looking to get a 4700x or 4900x. Honestly though I'm loving the 3600..the extra 2 cores and 4 threads have actually made quite a difference.. Might keep it for a while
I have a feedback, when reviewing CPU for games you should perhaps have 2 tiers of titles. Tier 1 would be "normal" games where you primarily play on 1440 and 4K, titles like Tomb Raider and other "pretty" high quality games. In other words leaving the 1080 resolution behind. Tier 2 titles should be the "esports" titles like Overwatch, CS:Go and Modern Warfare. These titles are build for high refresh rates and should be primarily tested on 1080 and 1440, putting emphasis on the "1% lows" e.i. the frame time stability with the high refresh rates. Please do not test games with engines that are not built and optimized for esports in 720 or 1080 resolution (like many others do). It does not make sense to extrapolate "esport performance" of the CPUs by using 720 or 1080 resolution, they are not made for it. You did explain in the video briefly on this subject which I appreciate, would love it if you could add more emphasis on your future reviews with something like this Tier 1 and 2 suggestion of mine, or your own take in it. Edit: Would love to have more info in the review about the chipset platform. From what I understand one single NVMe disk can saturate the I/O between chipset and CPU. Also the CPU doesn't support NVMe when you have PCIe 3.0 x16 configuration for the graphics card, there are just not enough PCIe lanes.
Watching Gamer Nexus's video on the Core i9-10900K made me feel proud and as an avid gamer, that I made the right decision in getting the 10900K over both the 3900X and the 3950X in terms of gaming. The only way I would get the 3900X or the 3950X is if I was either a media professional (which I am not) or a licensed computer engineer which I am not yet. I am in college now learning Electric and Computer Engineering. Love the competition AMD Ryzen and Intel Core are bringing to the tech enthusiasts!!!!!! I am suped-up and ready for the NVIDIA RTX 3000 Series to come out!!!!!!
Thanks for this 10900k review, I was having trouble sleeping. Going to use all the tech youtubers reviews of this one as nyquil for the next few weeks.
@@TheWatchdogtutorials Not really because Intel is known for a stable release while this isn't. Intel is still the gaming king but the release does seem rushed. Wouldn't be surprised if they release something better within a year. If AMD had nothing good they probably wouldn't have released these CPUs just like Nvidia doesn't release the RTX3000 series because AMD has nothing high end right now. As a result Intel has the disadvantage of being the fastest but there aren't GPUs that are fast enough for it to really matter. They do have the advantage of the recent AMD faux pas being just a few days before this release. I myself am looking a lot more interested at Intel products now because AMD doesn't support Zen3 on X370. If it wasn't for that I would have gotten a Zen3 R9 no question but now ehhh I'm thinking a stopgap Zen2 CPU and buy a new motherboard with DDR5 and the fastest gaming CPU for that generation. So if Intel manages to stay ahead by then I'll buy Intel (even if the advantage is 2% when overclocked). If my motherboard died tomorrow I'd use an old PC till Zen3 comes out but if Zen3 would still be behind Intel I'd buy Intel.
After watching linus's review, then reading some more articles on these chips, I think this is Intels Hail Mary and I don't think its going to stick the landing
Hail Mary what? So far the number seems to be that Intel is better than expected with just 14 nm. If AMD somehow slips up on Zen 3, they'll lose the ground made by Zen 2. So horray for competition.
If you only game and you don’t care about price and or certain additions on motherboards, then the 10900k is what you need. 360mm AIO recommended. If this was released a year ago, I would have gone intel but the 3900x showed up with a better value for my workloads.
Lmao at everyone downing intel. AMD has still not passed them. Sure AMD has more cores now and lower mm. But intel is still the chip to buy unless you are a media professional...
That's true I agree man whenever I comment on these type of topics on the side of Intel, people starts teaching me that amd has got slot of cores and threads and so but they just don't get it that cores and thread are for workstation and here we are looking at an individual setup. Also no one notices the clock boosting rate of Intel in higher than of amd's ryzen threadripper
@@yashgupta9190 Cores and threads are useful for just about everything, AMD still dominates in just about everything besides gaming and Adobe. Even then AMD is still very close to matching Intel. That's not even considering the fact that Ryzen 4th gen isn't out yet. AMD also kills Intel in terms of value, their 3600 is insanely good for just about everything for under $200, and their 16 core 3950X is $100 less than the 10900K at this point. Higher boost clocks don't really matter for anything besides gaming, and that's apparent as Intel still loses for almost everything that isn't specifically gaming. Not like Intel has a big gaming lead in the first place.
Would you consider adding ARMA3 to your tests for CPUs, it's ridiculously CPU intensive. I got my i7 4790k back in the day for A3 and I'll probably end up getting my next CPU for ARMA4 too, willing to bet there are a lot of people out there in the same boat. As always fantastic review and thanks for helping me finally start to understand some of the finer details when it comes to component performance.
When you bench CPU's for gaming you always use the RTX 2080TI Which I understand why. But it would be very helpful if you added a midrange card as well, even better a mid-lower end card too. This will let us all get a much better understanding than just the top card does.
I like how the Desktop 10th gen 10 core chip beats the 10th gen HEDT 10 core chip. Intel now has like 3 architectures under 10th gen. Comet Lake, Ice Lake and Cascade Lake
Overall, Comet Lake offers just an INCREMENTAL performance increase over Coffee Lake. Not worth upgrading if you're on last gen Intel or current gen Ryzen, obviously..
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When you bench CPU's you always use the RTX 2080TI Which I understand why. But it would be very helpful if you added a midrange card as well, even better a mid-lower end card as well.
This will let us all get a much better understanding than just the top card does. If you do not think it will please put a poll up to find out. Thanks to you all at Gamers Nexus!
@@hardergamer How? The understanding comes from knowing its full power. Look at a gpu chart, with mid to low range gpu's you could probably expect to get every last fps from those cards.
@@hardergamer Asking for them to show a lower end GPU is just asking for a GPU benchmark. Go watch a GPU benchmark, or learn to understand what the use of a CPU benchmark is.
Please never stop the thermal paste trolling... @26:17 I laughed.
Steve, I suggest it's better to just call them ten ninety okay and ten sixty okay. As far as I know people in the USA spell 0 (zero) as an "oh", so 0K should be fine as oh-K. I'm just guessing here, English is my second language.
We also ran into many BIOS issues. Surprising for a launch that has seemingly been in the works for months
So much for intel products just works.
Oooo.... its harbour on box.
@@joniler4287 you mean Hammer On Box?
Both manufacturers is goofing up their bios launch... AMD (new tech) and Intel (trump tech) coming w/... let me pull another BS rabbit outta your hat,.. trick. 🐰🤐
I would imagine all these failures at launch are from a stumbling race by Intel to attempt to try to poach amd's consumer base with clock frequency gains 😑 I think it's too little too late.
When AMD launches there Zen 3 we are promised *AT LEAST* 100MHz gains to each series of CPU vs last generation of that same series ie: 3700X vs 4700X. We are also looing at a 17-20% IPC gain as well. So even though the clock frequencies may not be a massive jump between Generations the manner in which complications are handled and how quickly they're handled is completely different and a massive Improvement in performance. So we will see massive games in benchmarks of games and workloads for editing and production software regardless the minut jump in clock frequencies 👍
Fingers crossed they deliver what is promised.
Or hardware on box
He sounded like a meteorologist when he talks about the temperatures of the cpu lol
Steve should bust out the green screen and review thermals like a weatherman one of these days
@@shukterhousejive well Intel does get hot af
@@shukterhousejive please make this happen
@@shukterhousejive He'd have to be using a 5700xt...
Cus he is
Man, I love linus, I've been following him for I don't know, around 10 years ? But his reviews don't hold a candle to yours. I mean, I watch almost every other tech youtuber, but for fun. Gamers Nexus is where I come to have actual facts. And this has been repeatedly proved times and times again.
I hate how about the question about intels new gen was how hot it runs and he doesn't even show what he used to cool it.
Its been this way for me forever. I use Linus videos as a quick picture of the thing then go to GamersNexus for the actual review
@@aleksandarmitic6072 YES! That's the key!
to be fair even linus has said that multiple times that there are other sites/youtubers that do a better job with the launch day reviews. what they prefer to do is give a general base line because they know their viewers tend to fall in the casual PC user space and would otherwise not understand or lose interest in the more in-depth stuff and leave that to other reviewers. people always want to make it some sort of competition between reviewers but the reality is there isn't one. each has their own viewer base that they cater toward for how they give information.
lol.... same here.
The smell of a morning embargo.
feed flood, can yah feel it?!
Or rather of a burning embargo in the morning.
Or a burning CPU
Info overload and I love it !!
"Maybe we'll call it 10-ninehundo just to really annoy people" best sentence so far this week
that's what it would be called in Canada lol
Well I dunno about you guys but I'm going to be calling it the 10-9-hundo from now on
Ten nine double-o
ysac?
Hundred and nine hundred K, seems pretty simple to me!
Excellent review as always Steve! Now we have the launch day test: is the 10900K actually available for sale anywhere?!
A Friend and I got ours from newegg at 3:02 AM EST today
I think it depends on what market youre in. Australia isn't looking good from what HWUnboxed said? Idk i dont live there lol.
Switzerland here, it was supposed to be available on launch day but in the end only the 10900 vanilla can be ordered and delivery is in a week...even the 3900x and 3950x had better availability on launch days for me...
Of course not. It's a paper launch because they needed to be before AMD's Ryzen 4000 series...
Pre-order in the netherlands. Almost feels like a amd launch.
Knowing how much time goes into the review cycles, I seriously applaud you guys for doing multiple in depth videos on the AMD 400 series fiasco. Keep up the great work, it's very much appreciated by all of us.
I'm excited for the day where intel is over their 14nm hurdle. They can squeeze a lot of performance out of an old node and assuming that AMD keeps up the competition i think in a few years we will have some crazy cpus
this is exactly what im looking forward to. im an admitted amd fanboi, still holding on to my heavily overclocked FX chip, but it's this sudden burst from AMD that is pushing both the hardware and software to new extremes. once intel figures out its desktop 10nm or 7nm, the ball will be slapped back at AMD with some force, and it may be up to Ryzen 4 to smack it back. its a great time to be a techy.
Yeah and they will now function as siberian heater as well
@@ghomerhust do remember that since now AMD can get a much higher budget for R&D, both the companies might now go head to head. (after Intel gets their 10nm of course)
@@ushdhyxywb, Intel abandoned their 10nm program, since there's no point to invest any resources into it when the competitor is beyond 7nm. Next gen of Intel desktop processors will be on 7nm chips (or maybe even 5, but this is unlikely).
@@Zannooda Intel 7nm = TSMC 5NM (where AMD will be at with Zen 4)
Considering the heat of the chip and the cooling requirements, Comet Lake is actually a very fitting name.
First part temperature, second part cooling method. Looking forward to Nova Glacier.
Why? A comet is a ball of mostly ice so cold af. Also, most lakes are cold af lol. Good one...
@@FatterTony Probably because comets become very, very hot when passing through atmosphere 4head. Kinda like how comet lake is cold until it actually starts doing work.
They need Boiling Lake so i can pair it with Volcanic Islands AMD Graphics!
@@ZazzilasArden Those are meteors. Comets are the icy bodies with long tails in space. As such, Meteor Lake is not looking promising...
GN: Intel Core i9-10900K CPU Review & Benchmarks
JayzTwoCents: The Intel i9 10900K is here... But is it enough?
LTT: yOuRe sTiLl gOnNa bUy iNteL
Huh, they changed the titles.
also GN is the gold standard for Reviews for me.
*Gold standard of review. Many of them use the same benchmarking tool
LTT’s analysis is right though. Some features that Intel has simply just work. AMD is good but Intel does some things great.
Did you even watch that video? He is an entirely different league of user than you or I.
I love all three. They each provide a unique side. But I definitely come here for data.
@@redrumze The only Intel feature that's really useful is Quick Sync if you do encoding. But you can use use NVEC and whatever AMD alternative there is for this if you don't mind a slight quality difference vs Quick Sync.
@@redrumze But reviewers are reporting BIOS issues with Intel
Another video highlighting the benefits of a standardized methodology. Thanks GN.
"Oh hey my sub box lit up..maybe a new Hardware Unbox-"
**Everyone and their 10900K**
"People please I cant handle it all at once"
Which Steve though? And why not both?
"my sub box" sounds like a BDSM slang.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one with a dirty mind.
It's called binge watching;)))
@@V4zz33 Whatever you say dude, I'm not judging. (wink wink)
This was exactly like I expected. Production still loses, 1080p gaming/CPU bottleneck wins, thermals mean you don’t have to pay for heat in the upcoming winter so hey you got that going for you. Jokes aside, more great work, thanks Steve and GN crew!
I recently built a 3900x with a 2080 ti and paired it with 4k monitor. I ain't going back to 1080p ever again. I honestly think Intel will be in deep shit once 4k is mainstream and monitor prices come down. 1080p will become obsolete (In a sense) and I think Ryzen will shine more, since gaming at 4k is mostly GPU bound.
If you game at 1080p your bottlenecking your life.
@@josuegutierrez3457 Went the same route with first gen RYZEN and a 1080Ti. Was a big mistake! 4K is achievable in the beginning but a short time later with newer games the framerates are too low on ultra and 1440p on ultra often looks better than 4K high. If it wasn't for the BIOS updates I would have been pretty fucked with RYZEN on 1440p and in retrospect a 7700K would still have been better. Expect to upgrade that 2080Ti very soon if you want to keep playing on 4K Ultra with decent framerates (60fps+). Lesson I learned from this is if you go high end get the stuff that performs best at that moment in time for the purpose in mind. So if I had to buy a PC for gaming today it would be a combination of a 10900K and a 2080Ti. However both those parts will probably be bumped off the throne within 10 months (max) so I wouldn't buy either. But a better performing CPU could mean you can upgrade the GPU in the future without problems bottlenecking. So if it had to be today I would pick the 10900K.
I love how the 3300x from AMD is rendering 85% of the frames for 20% of the price (CPU alone..not counting extra motherboard and CPU cooler costs, which would make it more like, for under 15% of the cost you can reach 85% of the frames).
Insane value right there for anyone wanting a chip for only gaming.
Of course if you wanna have those extra 15% frames, you'll have to pay an extra £400-500 for it, CPU/Motherboard costs alone....
@Franku Doge Does it overclock that well though? I've read you can get the 3600 up to the same speeds with overclocks. I'm an undervolter though. Jsut gonna wait for the zen3 series at this point. Seeing Intel's pricing, nothing is coming down like I thought it would. I shouldn't be surprised though.
@Nismo what a load of crock!
I've never experienced this instability you speak of.
It's a CPU man..meant to tick billions of times over and over reliably..and it always has for me.
Intel, on the other hand, I've experienced many overheating issues.
I think that the cooling solution should be discussed a bit more. The 3900X comes with a very capable cooler to handle it, where it looks like the 10900K needs a CLC to perform as expected, and it doesn't come with it, therefore it should be added to its price.
This. Comparing only the CPU prices is not exactly fair. Not even mentioning how much you can save on the motherboard, especially if you plan to upgrade the CPU later on...
I've gotta say I'm fairly impressed with what Intel has managed to pull off with this old 14nm node. No one from 2015 would have ever guessed that their same 14nm node would eventually be able to reach 5.2GHz.
Insane but my 9700k does it on nearly stock voltage. Hopefully the new architecture clocks fast too.
seeing my 8700k still towards the top of a lot of these charts makes me happy
"Last year's 10900X, meanwhile, remains... trash, as it always was."
BWahhaha
No you propellerheads are funny ;-) Pray Intel and AMD stay competetive or shit will get real expensive.
@@nbrown5907 Exactly, but it's a good roast tho lol.
@OneAboveAll dude, its a 5% difference between the 3900X and 10900X. Lets be real
@OneAboveAll you know we are talking about the 10900X not 10900k in that comment right? Which gets eked out by the 3950x, 3900x, and 3700x(sometimes) in gaming benchmarks which are incredibly cheaper than it, granted this is a workstation CPU, though if you go that route.. it get's absolutely dunked on by AMD counter parts in thread optimized workloads.
@Charlie Brown Bro, we talking the 10900X not 10900k, AMDs upper consumer chips eek it out in most gaming benchmarks.
great review who is excited for 4000 series ?
tbh i want to look into Ryzen gen 4 for nextgen since i'm getting a whole new computer with a nvidia 3xxx GPU but i'm afraid of the software. AMD has the worst software out of any PC part company from drivers to bios. So I'll have to watch out for those issue months after release to see if it's even worth it. My 6700k OCed has never caused me a problem.
AMD has bad software rep and they need to fix it. It's cool that they are getting some good hardware for a cheaper price but if i'm going to be crippled due to buying that hardware then i'm going to look the other way.
For me it's like buying cheap chinese ripoff tech (phones/phone cameras/android TV/ TVs/ drones), the specs are great but the software makes it not worth it.
As a PC gamer, I already waste time with: game mods, getting the best possible settings, and badly utilized games. I don't want to start messing with computer software too. I have never had a CPU/GPU software issue while owning intel/nvidia for the past 10+ years and I have the drivers setup as auto-download/install giving me the latest drivers the day of release. My girlfriend uses my computer on the main TV. This needs to be running 100% of the time. I'll hear about it if it crashes for whatever reason.
@TheGoat yea it sucks. Most reviewers don't tell you the software issues just the benchmarks from their short term testing. I want to keep my PC for multiple years.
It pulls more power than a 64 core threadripper...
Yeah, Intel is dead until they release their new architecture. 14nm is dead.
Lmao
@@braydennturner 14 nm is their fabrication node , maybe you should say lake architecture.
Ya but in their case, they need the nose shrink to push a new architecture... They have literally reached the limits of what the silicon at that level can do
Nose shrink...
A perf per watt slide would be great. Good work as usual.
It would be a cool statistic, but I think you would have to be in an extremely unique scenario to have this be a factor when selecting a CPU, especially for gaming purposes.
@@moddedimlose Performance/watt is extremely important in datacenters, but that isn't going to be relevant for the consumer cpu line
@@coopercummings8370 Yes, that is correct. That is literally something I deal with on a daily basis. However, as you mention, that is entirely irrelevant for our discussion.
@25:14 "In this regard, Intel is running below AMD's power consumption, and so has an efficiency advantage". Stock to stock, the 3900x runs the Blender benchmark 18.6% faster for 14.3% higher power consumption. Doesn't this mean the 3900x is the more power efficient cpu in this particular test?
that is kind of insane considering intel is still on 14nm. and that is only in blender specifically, pretty sure for most other benchmarks it wasn't the case.
@@elon6131 Exactly, 9900k and especially 8700k are actually more power efficient in gaming than even 3rd gen Ryzens and way more than 1st/2nd gen
because his numbers are totally off.. no idea what his doing.. kit guru got 297 watt during blender while 3900x got 225.. and 3900x is faster so yeah..
@@elon6131 Nope I think Steve got this one wrong, maybe just bad wording there so I will let it pass, also looking at the next chart shows how power consumption shoots up, because of intel's crazy turbo's so your assumption is most likely wrong for most tests, especially lightly threaded ones. (I take this part of the review with a grain of salt and would like Steve to do more testing on this, also I normally watch many reviews and take an average from 10+ reviews since sample size actually matters here)
@@Tc4ify Calm down fanboy there are much more at play here, especially in terms of binning,
The best 7nm chips go to Epyc and mobile so desktop gets the worst of the worst and pitting the 3900x vs the 10900k is literally intel's best binning vs AMD's worst, it has been confirmed that one of the CCD's in the 3900x is absolutely terrible silicon and that's why the 3950x is using less power, but getting higher clocks with much more performance, also as has been pointed out, Steve actually made a mistake here even by his own numbers. (Steve probably meant lower power consumption, but still less efficient)
Great video, but @25:14 I believe you made a mistake, the 10900k may have used less power, but I do believe that the 3900x is still more efficient at least for this test since Stock to stock, the 3900x runs the Blender benchmark 18.6% faster for 14.3% higher power consumption, there isn't a massive difference since even though it's 14nm vs 7nm, it's intel's best possible binning vs AMD's worst binning.
Besides that this was a very great video, I would like to see more testing on the efficiency aspect though, it's got me intrigued now.
I bought a 10-9-Hundo, though, to be honest, I probably would have bought a 3950x or 3900x if I could have found a damn x570 motherboard that I wanted in stock anywhere on earth. I have no time to wait, as my daily driver build went kaput on me about a week and a half ago - so Im in dire need of a new build asap. With that said, I'm sure I'll be quite happy with the 10900k.
I'm really liking this back and forth competition between AMD and Intel as it seems to be pushing the industry forward at a very quick pace.
Man that 3300x sure is looking valuable as hell I can't wait for high end r3
The new APU's will apparently have 8 cores 16 thread too. 4k series gonna be amazing if that carries over.
@Rohan Rathour blow them out the water.. right? :D
you can get the 3900x for $410 so not even the same price point
Let alone the fact that you need to consider the lrice of an adequate cooling solution.
Intel went full Pentium 4 on these. :D
I just picked up mine for $389 at MicroCenter!
And the price of a bigass cooling solution needs to be added to the Intel CPU as well...
@@fred290e does Microcenter let you build PCs in their stores? I have one not too far from me, but I've always ordered stuff to my home and built it there.
@@honzaklos Also let alone the fact that as Steve mentions, only really applies for gaming if you're an FPS snob using a 2080TI eliminating the GPU bottleneck, which is a very small percentage of people.
Amazing how these guys are able to cover both Intel new products and AMD chipset controversy with such a deep insight in this short period of time. #RESPECT💯
you never see testing being done ...
It's a full time job and they're doing a great job at it
So happy with my 3950x given my workload is mostly compression and decompression with some light 60hz gaming... But still good to see competition.
What kind of work do you do?
@@GamersNexus This is on my personal box that primarily does Usenet and 60hz gaming. It used to be the case that you could download archives quicker then you could PAR and 7ZIP them. Now thanks to the core wars we are back to the Internet speed being the bottleneck. Unfortunately in my professional life (IT Security) there is a monopoly and we still pay $200k for servers with sandy bridge CPUs in them!!
Really wanted to preorder this CPU. But I waited for this video. I will wait and see if BIOS issues gets fixed first. So glad this channel exists! Saved a lot of headache.
Every new release comes with BIOS issues, usually Intel's are minor and last a few days to a week maybe a little longer, AMD's have lasted months on some. Rocket lake is rumored at the end of the year or beginning of next year
28:50 7GHz?? Keen for that video
10:25 ...meanwhile, 10900X, remains *TRASH*
oof!
tech jesus with the SMITE!
@OneAboveAll the different is small lol just for gaming hahahaah U so dumb.
The x299 is a great value. Boards are cheap! Just over clock the cpu and ram really high with tight timings. The better value now. Friend of mine got the 10 core for 350$ brand new at micro center. I would not say it’s trash, but if you over clock the cores, mesh and get fast ram, it shines and even the EVGA x299 dark went on sale for 200$ at once point. It is just shy of 10% in single threaded games. Don’t understand why people bash x299. Seems like devs can’t program multi threaded render works loads like 3Dmark did.
th-cam.com/video/D1bTr96ZHrc/w-d-xo.html seems like devs are still single threaded or 2 core limited in DX12 of Vulkan. Seems like bad programming to me and gamers can’t understand this.
@@channelasianewterminatexii7594 you are dumb the intel is 14nm vs 7nm but still intel can beat amd in gaming! how about 7nm vs 7nm hahaha..
Also, WTH, you're coming up on 1mil subs! You guys are blowing up. Cannot have happened to a better channel IMO.
Opens Gamers Nexus, Jayz2Cents, and LTT videos all at once because I can't decide which to watch first on these.
watch them all at once for best results
The one who doesn't use question marks and sensationalist titles
GN obv
Want a real unbiased review? Watch this. Want an opinion mostly based on air? Watch the other channels.
@@SonGoku-97Totes
Some time in the distant future: "...Today we'll be looking at Intel's brand new Seventeen seven hundred seventy-seven K."
"Anniversary founders edition”
On the 14nm++++++++++++++++ node
I think my 8700k is safe until DDR5 and PCIe 4.0. My 1080 will hopefully be looking like worth swapping out by the end of the year depending on how Nvidia and AMD deliver on GPU’s this year.
I have a 9900k but dude I want this lol...that's fps looks so good but I dont think its worth
@@outdat3d-04zx10r-ha dude you have a i9 9900k you're fine.. you wanna buy a new system for 10 more fps at 1080p medium settings with a 2080 ti? Save your money wait for nvidias Amper Cards and upgrade to a 3080 ti
@@HollowRick well games like csgo and I would imagine fortnite the 10th gen had literally 100 more fps than the 9900k and the 3900x...that's not every game I know..but I should probably just wait for pcie 4 and ddr5
@@outdat3d-04zx10r-ha not really gonna be that much of Jump in them games I'd say as the 10900k is essentially i9 9900k with 2 more cores 4 more threads and 200mhz more frequency i9 9900k is good for while get a better GPU
Salt Maker the only one worth the price of upgrade would be 2080 TI and that’s minimum 900 for a used one. 3080 ti supposed to be cheaper and far faster so I’ll be looking for that.
Thanks again for including compile times, super useful!
I enjoy how embarrassingly difficult it was to find gaming scenarios that benefitted from the clock speed. Like who with a 2080ti is playing at medium or "just" high settings? And where is the fortnite bench?!
I know plenty of people who play shooters that run at the most potato settings for performance with a 2080ti at 1080p to try to push 240hz and keep those min frames as high as possible.
@@bigbill1467 You know them doesn't mean they aren't the 0.1% of gamers.
That's basically who this product is for, the 0.1%.
@@bigbill1467 And i know plenty who don't
But that also means that if you are running a recent Intel chip .. and gaming is your jam .. You can ignore Zen too.
It'll be interesting to see if Ryzen 4000 series is able to match or even pass these Intel chips in gaming. Intel's lead isn't huge, and the rumoured IPC increases for new Ryzen could make it a really close run thing. Either way, in all seriousness, the frame rates you get these days from mid-range chips like an R5 3600 are all 99% of gamers will ever need. There seems less and less point spending top dollar with each new generation. (edit: grammar)
take a hundred shots every time Steve says 'hundred'
The quality of your content, especially on the technical side is amazing. Keep up the good -- and precise -- work!
14nm++++++++ power! this is what happens when you limit resources, you get creative. I salute Intel's engineers for squeezing that 14nm++++++++++++++++++ really surprised for the performance, I guess this is still the best gaming(only) CPU? But hey Intel, you may wanna get that 7nm in check before our electricity bills get too high. Still going for AMD though, for productivity and some stuff.
Go back to reddit where you belong shill
@@Quake_Masta he said it is the best gaming only CPU which is exactly what it is so the only shill here is you
@@julius2349 Found another shareholder.
@@Quake_Masta oh I wish I was a shareholder $$$, but sadly I ain't :/
[Capt. Kirk]: COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!
Kek
And here I sit with my i5-2500k still going ... maybe 1 more generation before I upgrade.
Wait for DDR5.
@@dorfschmidt4833 If you want to keep your DDR3 the 4790k is more than enough to run basically anything out at 1080p
I got an A10-5800k and I'm still waiting. CPU and GPU are still way overpriced. Hell, i might jsut throw linux on a new PS5 and call it a day.
Similar situation. i7-5930K, not really feeling the pinch yet, I'm about to drop my 3rd GPU upgrade since i built this rig 5 years ago and nothing is really taxing it. Intel stuff might be pricey, but I seem to be able to go quite a number of years between upgrades.
I'll just wait for Zen 3 to launch and decide which one I'll spend my money on.
I'll just not waste my life, and purchase parts and and after a half of year I'll sell the the system and only need to pay the same I've paid now if I want the latest and greatest.
That's what real smart people do.
@@crazytech5755 smart people wont buy jewtel
@@crazytech5755 heh, I'll just wait and buy the best between two then I'll flip my "old" components. Ryzen parts are in hot demand in my area.
@G A yea, good luck on selling one year old parts for remotely close price as new.
I used to be an Intel guy like you, then I took a Ryzen 3900x to the knee.
3900x is a monster, and will continue to grow with the new consoles.
in real world gaming it's about the same fps wise if playing ultra (like I do)
Not only this, you can pverclock 6 of the cores to 4.6ghz and 6 to 4.3.
it's such a great cpu.
@@crazytech5755 Exactly, I bought it 3 months ago and paired it with Nvidia 2080 Super, I am absolutely happy with my gaming/streaming/editing rig
@@no_thing_378 I think we can wait next 5 years for Intel 7nm for sure.
@@no_thing_378 Yeah, Intel is still very strong on the market, you are absolutely right. For me as a customer is very important thing and it is "bang for the buck". I had always Intel, I did choose Ryzen 3900x and I know I wont go back. I would really like to see this with Amd vs Nvidia. There is only one thing sure for me, I wont buy AMD gpu after the experience I had before. Ofc every customer can have different experience with different brands or products. I am speaking just for myself. If somebody is happy with Intel, go for it, if somebody is happy with AMD, go for it. I am just very happy for being AMD around, otherwise Intel would charge arm, leg and a kidney for 2 Core Cpu. If there is no competition, you can charge as much as you want.
You deserve more views. Thank you guys.
Honestly, this is the first time since they introduced the I9 line that intels entire line up naming scheme makes sense, at least on the desktop. I3 4c/8t, I5 6c/12t, I7 8c/16t and I9 10c/20t. As annoying as it might be to SAY the names for the first time in a LONG time this all makes sense in a way someone wouldn't need to spend a while deciphering wth the differences between chips are and if it's worth the money. Now their mobile line...holy shit that's a different story.
Lmao , mobiles are a whole nother valley
I like how Intel's spreadsheet said "Base clock" "up to" for every chip
wait... they still havn't given you a MRSP? That's crazy to ask you to publish a review when you can't do performance per dollar.
he said like 8 times, its around 500, intel says 488.
@@philhalo66 he said that's a guess and the $488 is for 1000 units it looks like retail is $530 at best
@@shaynegadsden he said retail between 500 to 540 depending on retailer
@@shaynegadsden every single reviewer says $500
It's around if you buy 1000 at one time. That is the price retailers would buy it for. MSRP would be a rough % above that.
The real cost also includes motherboards.
Costs at least $350 more compared to 3900x: at least $150 for a decent AIO to get similar temps to what can be achieved with 3900x's box cooler + $100 more on mb to get a b450 or b550 which delivers similar or better features (you will able to get some pcie gen.4 support on b550) + at least $100 price difference for the cpu itself (assuming it is not a paper launch), and I am not even counting the upgraded PSU cost. That is a pretty tough sell even for gamers, for $350 you would be able to upgrade the GPU a whole tier up.
24:22 The i9-10900K will be a perfect heater for my apartment this winter. I'd buy a big external radiator and put it outdoors in minus 10°C. Nice and quiet indoors. 🥶
Gamers nexus and digital foundry once again with the spectacular review. Other more popular tech you tubers poo the bed, with their click bait thumbnails, lack of benchmarks and facts, just payed off my amd to tell their viewers the intel platform isn’t comparable.
Still probably not quite good enough, I am aware of the security flaws and the numerous other disadvantages that have been beaten to death, but fair's fair, not as bad as I'd expected. Pleasantly surprised.
the security flaws are massively overhyped, and most of them are fixed by now (i think the latest two might still be exploitable but like local access so who cares.)
@@elon6131 they may be fixed but at the loss of at least 35% performance across all workloads
@@ostrichsizedgaming7984 LOL, AMDumb detected
@@renmcmanus I have a couple.
venturebeat.com/2019/05/14/intel-zombieload-flaw-forces-os-patches-with-up-to-40-performance-hits/
www.techpowerup.com/264676/intel-processors-hit-with-lvi-security-vulnerabilities-mitigation-hits-performance-hard
@@Tc4ify The funny thing about your comment is that he isn't even lying, and it shows that you're just too dumb to do a quick info check. Here are a couple of sources for you.
venturebeat.com/2019/05/14/intel-zombieload-flaw-forces-os-patches-with-up-to-40-performance-hits/
www.techpowerup.com/264676/intel-processors-hit-with-lvi-security-vulnerabilities-mitigation-hits-performance-hard
1% lows are more important than average. Would be great if you could use that value as the default om charts.
Intel: "My work here is done"
Everyone: "But you didn't do anything"
Intel: *Swoosh*
Nah last one needs to say "We increased powedraw".
6:19 I like how your new mouse mat made the chip look rhombus in shape :)
Last time I was this early Intel still made good price to quality ratio CPUs.
you have a long memory :)
well I mean if your competing with yourself you kind of set the bar I guess? glad amd is doing so well now. have no excuse for intel to fck our wallets with quad cores now
Bro, did you just got a long hibernation or what?
Honestly, if that's all Intel got to compete the 1year old 3900X, how do they think they will compete against the upcoming Ryzen 4900X that will be released this fall? I wouldn't even be surprised to see them lose their lead in gaming performance too... -_-
Would love to see some VR benchmarks running on a Valve Index at 120Hz and 144Hz to see if the frame time reduction on this CPU pushes it under the threshold for reprojection.
This is some high quality work. Good shit.
If I had one nitpick it would be to just have comparisons of stock CPUs in most charts, maybe that's because after the 3700X being such a terrible overclocker, I don't really care about OC anymore and just run stock.
I just need benchmarks on the 10600k only a select few will buy this 10900k
Great Stuff. Love the inclusion of compile time benchmarks
Ryzen looks alot more sleek, but mehhh i’m still waiting for the rgb cpu.
RGB Silicon, PCB and IHS
RGB pins or go home.
The Prism stock cooler AMD bundled was surprisingly sick.
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10900K thermals on mine are fantastic...the ridiculous worry over thermals was a joke..360 AIO and I am running just fine at my FPS are better than anything AMD has to offer. Clock speed >core count..
Went with 3900x. I don't only game. The compression impressed me. I am also pairing it with a 3090 when they release.
I know this is a longshot, but is it possible to ask for architectural and engineering software benchmarks?, "productivity" software is a very broad category and some of those really benefit from single core performance, like AutoCAD and Revit, in this case and if you do modelling and design but dont do rendering work, the 10900k could be a really good part, and more so if you happen to game too. Its been very confusing to find information because the "productivity" mention on AMD Ryzen 3000 series advantage, but its an imprecise description, and im not picking on this review particularly, its almost generalized, i just mentioned it here because i found most of the useful information i was looking for on this channel, please keep up the good work, it helped me a lot.
This is why I chose the 3900X to render my 3d stuff & 4k videos for youtube.
My 10900k still runs as good as it did the first day i got it, its actually INSANE what a beast it is and i dont see a need of change until atleast 5-6 years especially since im playing in 3440x1440p.
my girls 9600k is starting to slack and i really notice the difference between the 9600k and then jumping on my 10900k directly after lmao.
Still today worth getting if you can get one for 300-350 bucks.
absolute BEAST CPU.
What gpu do you have? I got a 10900k recently for $250 and an rtx 3080, and I get micro stutters In quite a few games. Tried all sorts of troubleshooting, ddu, drivers, bios updates/tweaks, xmp, etc.
@@VerdASMR i also got a 3080.
@@VerdASMR Tried enabling resizable bar?
@@q-_-p.d-_-b yes, I ended up switching to an 11600k and it has solved all my issues. I have it oc'd and it's roughly 5% faster than my 10900k was at gaming, without the stuttering issue. It still has lows like every other chip but my 10900k was exceptionally bad.
This is the ONLY place for new cps review, thank you Tech Jesus
I def appreciate the high production value of your videos. Keep up the good work.
Can we see temps for the OC?
Around 90ish degree. The OC is basically pushing the processors to the maximum temp limit.
These thumbnails are gold!!!
I love steves smart ass remarks
Fantastic indepth review. I saw everyone elses videos up earlier but I knew GN would go deeper than a couple of thrown together benchmarks v 3900X & 9900K. 317W for 5.3ghz though! what in the actual fuck?
still here on my 3770k still going strong enough.
Same, not upgrading until Intel 7nm.
Hi Steve. This might perhaps a question for #askGN.
If a GPU bottleneck is present in a game, would it be wrong to benchmark that same game in a lower resolution? Could that kind of data be an accurate indication of CPU performance with better graphics cards in the future?
Ima wait for the 4900x lmao
You people are acting like this wasn't exactly what we expected from a refresh part essentially.
@@zoltanbartha5352 Poor people lol.
I just bought me a 3900x, and a 2080 super. Cause I have a job and calculate bills and make smart choices.
The system will do anything latest consoles will do, and when I want better by that time I can sell the pc, and pay the extra half for the new stuff.
you people who "wait" months, to sometimes a year lol. So much time wasted away while life is already short enough.
@@crazytech5755 I cashed my i7 6700k, mobo, ram in for a ryzen 3600, good x570 mobo and 16gb 3200mhz ram. Only paid £150 to "upgrade" the new 4th gen is literally around the corner that's why I got the 3600. I'm looking to get a 4700x or 4900x. Honestly though I'm loving the 3600..the extra 2 cores and 4 threads have actually made quite a difference.. Might keep it for a while
waiting for it too, but i think it wont be out until end of year
same waiting for 4900x and next gen nvidia 2170/80
I have a feedback, when reviewing CPU for games you should perhaps have 2 tiers of titles.
Tier 1 would be "normal" games where you primarily play on 1440 and 4K, titles like Tomb Raider and other "pretty" high quality games. In other words leaving the 1080 resolution behind.
Tier 2 titles should be the "esports" titles like Overwatch, CS:Go and Modern Warfare. These titles are build for high refresh rates and should be primarily tested on 1080 and 1440, putting emphasis on the "1% lows" e.i. the frame time stability with the high refresh rates.
Please do not test games with engines that are not built and optimized for esports in 720 or 1080 resolution (like many others do).
It does not make sense to extrapolate "esport performance" of the CPUs by using 720 or 1080 resolution, they are not made for it.
You did explain in the video briefly on this subject which I appreciate, would love it if you could add more emphasis on your future reviews with something like this Tier 1 and 2 suggestion of mine, or your own take in it.
Edit: Would love to have more info in the review about the chipset platform. From what I understand one single NVMe disk can saturate the I/O between chipset and CPU. Also the CPU doesn't support NVMe when you have PCIe 3.0 x16 configuration for the graphics card, there are just not enough PCIe lanes.
Watched a few video about the 10900k, and it turns out Gamers Nexus did the best tests I need!
they are a gap faster...but pulls your power plug out of the wall!!.... they need to much power for that performance!
Watching Gamer Nexus's video on the Core i9-10900K made me feel proud and as an avid gamer, that I made the right decision in getting the 10900K over both the 3900X and the 3950X in terms of gaming.
The only way I would get the 3900X or the 3950X is if I was either a media professional (which I am not) or a licensed computer engineer which I am not yet. I am in college now learning Electric and Computer Engineering.
Love the competition AMD Ryzen and Intel Core are bringing to the tech enthusiasts!!!!!!
I am suped-up and ready for the NVIDIA RTX 3000 Series to come out!!!!!!
I guess it's time to play Nelly's "Hot in Here"
Thanks for this 10900k review, I was having trouble sleeping. Going to use all the tech youtubers reviews of this one as nyquil for the next few weeks.
This is what a panicked and rushed release looks like folks. AMD have shaken Intel's confidence ;)
And the dumbest comment goes to vcrage
@@TheWatchdogtutorials Not really because Intel is known for a stable release while this isn't. Intel is still the gaming king but the release does seem rushed. Wouldn't be surprised if they release something better within a year. If AMD had nothing good they probably wouldn't have released these CPUs just like Nvidia doesn't release the RTX3000 series because AMD has nothing high end right now. As a result Intel has the disadvantage of being the fastest but there aren't GPUs that are fast enough for it to really matter. They do have the advantage of the recent AMD faux pas being just a few days before this release. I myself am looking a lot more interested at Intel products now because AMD doesn't support Zen3 on X370. If it wasn't for that I would have gotten a Zen3 R9 no question but now ehhh I'm thinking a stopgap Zen2 CPU and buy a new motherboard with DDR5 and the fastest gaming CPU for that generation. So if Intel manages to stay ahead by then I'll buy Intel (even if the advantage is 2% when overclocked). If my motherboard died tomorrow I'd use an old PC till Zen3 comes out but if Zen3 would still be behind Intel I'd buy Intel.
@@CheapBastard1988 its not rushed because its still on 14nm, new features trying to see how it works before they release 10nm or 7nm.
@Martin M you mean you spotted the guy that can afford intel? Bum ass
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This is the one I was waiting for! The video not the chip.
Perfect to keep my coffee warm!
These videos are way more interesting than they were a couple years ago 👍
After watching linus's review, then reading some more articles on these chips, I think this is Intels Hail Mary and I don't think its going to stick the landing
Hail Mary what? So far the number seems to be that Intel is better than expected with just 14 nm. If AMD somehow slips up on Zen 3, they'll lose the ground made by Zen 2. So horray for competition.
If you think this incremental upgrade is intels "hail mary" you're fucking delusional
@@ArchusKanzaki its pretty much a expected improvement compared to coffee lake. Nothing unbelievably special imo
If you only game and you don’t care about price and or certain additions on motherboards, then the 10900k is what you need. 360mm AIO recommended. If this was released a year ago, I would have gone intel but the 3900x showed up with a better value for my workloads.
Burn, burn, yes ya gonna burn!
Not a bad CPU for Alaskans or Siberians, I guess...
But it runs cooler than 9th gen tho
@@th3WhiteKnight global warming is a myth, stop it.
@@th3WhiteKnight Global what ?
@@phaseloli6668 I guess the thicker heat spreader really helps for CPU temps. But those watts gotta go somewhere...
The opening part is called Recapping & 10900X vs 10900K. That should be 3900X vs 10900K.
Lmao at everyone downing intel. AMD has still not passed them. Sure AMD has more cores now and lower mm. But intel is still the chip to buy unless you are a media professional...
ok troll intel is still on 14nm
That's true I agree man whenever I comment on these type of topics on the side of Intel, people starts teaching me that amd has got slot of cores and threads and so but they just don't get it that cores and thread are for workstation and here we are looking at an individual setup. Also no one notices the clock boosting rate of Intel in higher than of amd's ryzen threadripper
@@yashgupta9190 Cores and threads are useful for just about everything, AMD still dominates in just about everything besides gaming and Adobe. Even then AMD is still very close to matching Intel. That's not even considering the fact that Ryzen 4th gen isn't out yet. AMD also kills Intel in terms of value, their 3600 is insanely good for just about everything for under $200, and their 16 core 3950X is $100 less than the 10900K at this point. Higher boost clocks don't really matter for anything besides gaming, and that's apparent as Intel still loses for almost everything that isn't specifically gaming. Not like Intel has a big gaming lead in the first place.
@@exponentialdongexpansion5223 so amd is best from intel??
@@yashgupta9190 AMD is better than Intel.
Would you consider adding ARMA3 to your tests for CPUs, it's ridiculously CPU intensive.
I got my i7 4790k back in the day for A3 and I'll probably end up getting my next CPU for ARMA4 too, willing to bet there are a lot of people out there in the same boat.
As always fantastic review and thanks for helping me finally start to understand some of the finer details when it comes to component performance.
When you bench CPU's for gaming you always use the RTX 2080TI Which I understand why. But it would be very helpful if you added a midrange card as well, even better a mid-lower end card too.
This will let us all get a much better understanding than just the top card does.
It is GPU bound at that point: It is cpus with a tied Hz. Hell 1440p does that in most games on higher settings.
@@nicholasbuckner5221 That is why it would be helpful to see how it affects it.
I like how the Desktop 10th gen 10 core chip beats the 10th gen HEDT 10 core chip. Intel now has like 3 architectures under 10th gen. Comet Lake, Ice Lake and Cascade Lake
thanks for the review still waiting for ddr5
Overall, Comet Lake offers just an INCREMENTAL performance increase over Coffee Lake. Not worth upgrading if you're on last gen Intel or current gen Ryzen, obviously..
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