The Dungeon Design of the Wind Waker - ALL DUNGEONS Examined
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Hi friends! This is a compilation of the entire Dungeon Design in Zelda series for Wind Waker. The first episode of which was uploaded in May of 2021. So, yeah you may have seen this stuff before.
It is fascinating seeing how far my video making skills have progressed since then, and even how they progressed in the couple of months working on OOT's, MM's and then WW's Dungeons.
I do feel, looking back, that there is a noticeable improvement in video quality starting here, with clearer visuals, better paced editing, and a lot of experimentation, but it still doesn't feel quite as good as what I'm making nowadays I suppose.
But hey, I'm STILL not here to dunk on my own work! I often have people tell me that they like long form content and binge these videos, so I figured putting them all into one long video would be worthwhile.
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
3:48 - The Forsaken Fortress (1st visit)
15:37 - Dragon Roost Cavern
31:52 - The Forbidden Woods
50:09 - The Tower of the Gods
1:06:53 - The Forsaken Fortress (2nd visit)
1:19:06 - The Earth Temple
1:47:02 - The Wind Temple
2:11:47 - Ganon's Tower
2:32:44 - Concluding The Wind Waker - เกม
RE-UPLOAD ALERT:
Hi friends! This is a compilation of the entire Dungeon Design in Zelda series for Wind Waker. The first episode of which was uploaded in May of 2021. So, yeah you may have seen this stuff before.
It is fascinating seeing how far my video making skills have progressed since then, and even how they progressed in the couple of months working on OOT's, MM's and then WW's Dungeons.
I do feel, looking back, that there is a noticeable improvement in video quality starting here, with clearer visuals, better paced editing, and a lot of experimentation, but it still doesn't feel quite as good as what I'm making nowadays I suppose.
But hey, I'm STILL not here to dunk on my own work! I often have people tell me that they like long form content and binge these videos, so I figured putting them all into one long video would be worthwhile.
Ps, in the first few minutes I said that the soundtrack had an overhaul, but that’s not entirely true. Only some tracks were updated, not the entire game’s soundtrack. My b.
Enjoyyyy! I appreciate you.
So in the forest temple you use the leaf to rotate the gear in the opposite direction and that takes you across. It reverses the mechanism. You're not supposed to just brute force it and push yourself back with momentum. 😅
Thanks for making this, I enjoy watching long-form media analysis of any kind wether it's games, TV series, movies, etc...
I'd been waiting for something like this for Wind Waker, and I know this isn't that, this is just a compilation of videos you made before on this game and just grouped them into one video. But that's how I found this video, because it's cataloged as a long-form analysis.
I'm enjoying this very much and will definitely be checking out next your Twilight Princess Dungeons video you released a couple days ago. Cheers!
Unwritten rule of zelda. if a boss's name ends in duga or gera its theme is going to hit hard.
the wind waker was my first video game I ever played (with it being released like 3 years before I was even born) so anything I see talking about it I consume
My first console game was SMB3 released in North America when I was 6 and I got the game when I was 8 years old bundled with the NES for Christmas. My uncle and aunt both had an NES already bundled with the SMB1/Duck Hunt cartridge. My first Zelda game was OoT but my grandmother played a different Zelda game on her green screen gameboy that I never really got into. When Wind Waker was released it was when console 3D games were still fairly new and realism was something people were looking forward to seeing in video games with games like OoT doing a lot better at that than older games like Sonic & Knuckles or SMB3 though still a far cry from PS4 and PS5 graphics. When Wind Waker came out it was mocked for looking cartoony and a lot of people my age avoided it for that reason but I finally did play it as an adult several years ago and it’s a great game despite the graphics and maybe the graphics were actually very appropriate for what they were going for.
Same. I remember my friend bringing his game cube over when I was 4 and falling in love.
And when that was too stressful I played Mario sunshine 😂
@@hanzohasashi5603 that’s wild sms stressed me out more than any Zelda game
i’m autistic, and ever since i played BOTW in october if 2022, zelda has become one of my special interests, including the past games. literally anything zelda. this video is perfect for me, thank you for making this compilation! i love all your videos!
Welcome to the group. I'm also autistic and Zelda has been one of mine since OOT. Back then, we just had the official guides and occasional video game magazine article to satisfy our curiosities about Zelda.
We love another autistic person that has Zelda as a special interest
Fellow autistic! 🙋♀️ Same!
So jealous of you to be able to discover these games for the first time, what I wouldn’t give to experience them all again 😭😭have so much fun!!!!
Have you played Link’s Awakening? That was one of my first Zelda games (still one of my favorites) and I thought the remake was pretty good.
Anyway, there are a lot of autistic Zelda fans out there, so you won’t be alone in this fandom. Take care, welcome!
If I allow for some nostalgia bias, Wind Waker will always be my favourite Zelda game.
Nails the sense of adventure, and while the dungeons are all over the place design wise; the Forsaken Fortress is the series at its best combining story, action and dungeon exploring.
There is a Pirate game that is popular that is basically a multiplayer Wind Waker. It was way ahead of it's time.
Wind Waker is my favourite game of all time. I love how thematically different it is from Ocarina which is so heavily focused on the past and dark future while WW is focused on the future with a dark past and how Ganondorf is the embodiment of that dark past in how he refuses to let go of old Hyrule and how the king choses to stay finally sealing the past away for a bright future.
The Wind Waker was the first game I've ever played. I was born in early 1999, and I got it on release day. Played it with my father, it was the first game I also ever beat. By the time I was 5 years old, I had the game beat 3 times. It was a wonderful starting game to the series and to gaming alone. My parents were divorced and in an out of jail, and for a lot of my life, I lived with my grandma and felt such a strong connection with Link in this game. This game has shaped me in so many ways. Taking the scary pirate plung for Link was my equivalent to going to speaking out to the court regarding leaving my abusive foster family. Such a scary experience, but taking that plung and returning to my true family reminds me of when Link meets back up with Aryll. The look on their face, reminds me of the look of my grandma in the stand.
Seeing Link's growth in this game, I feel, has the biggest difference than other Zelda games. Link becomes so mature in this game that Aryll and even the player can be proud of him. The dungeons in the game cause your brain to turn the cogs like crazy, especially at 4. Nintendo still makes crazy good games, and new Zelda games are great games as well.
But Wind Waker is nearly PEAK Zelda game and will always have a place in my heart, and as I begin to try a baby with my now fiancée, I'm going to make sure they play it first too, but unlike me growing up, I'll be by their side the whole time.
Man best of luck to you I hope you and and your fiancé have a wonderful life
I think there is one benefit in particular for the GameCube version of WW, and that is the Tingle Tuner vs the Tingle Bottle. The former is essentially another exploration tool that can also give you some more material and even small tidbits about Knuckle (the better of Tingle's siblings), while the Tingle Bottle was just a Miiverse item that could help accelerate completion for the Nintendo gallery
Wooo windwaker HD was my first zelda. I love these dungeons, even if they aren't super hard
Best zelda game
Did I watch each of these individually as they came out originally? Yes. Am I playing this compilation right now as I clean and eat yummy food. Also yes. Like duh!
So glad I got distracted from going through the individual vids just long enough for the compilation to drop. Much easier to finish them this way.
Don't care what anyone says, these Dungeons are great fun and very underrated!
I remember back in the day i was obsessed with this game on GC. I also loved the new game + outfit, but really wished he could wear a blue tunic like in 4 swords.
Imagine my surprise when young me found a "tips and secrets" website that had a way to unlock any of the coloured tunics you wanted! All you had to do was beat the game. On each save file. And on the 3rd new game + you'd get to pick your colour instead of the invisible tunic.
Well on the 3rd file this wasn't the case lol. I think what convinced me to go through with it was there wasnt these impossible conditions to "unlock" the secret like with other made up secrets for games.
At least I know the game inside and out to this day 🤷♂️ The enhancements/slight changes and hero mode finally gave this game some more replayability for me after a while too. Windwaker will always be the GOAT Zelda for me. Most open world Zelda we had for a while too.
Love your vids btw! This is my favorite series of yours by far :D
2:10:04 easy fix(?): Add in Giant Peahats like were had in Ocarina of Time and sand-covered rooms where the baby Molgeras attacked you if you fell in. The Giant Peahats could inhabit the upper chambers while the sand worms would fill in the lower floors. They could even have made it so that the Giant Peahats could be one-shot with the Hookshot to give a sense of increased strength.
My favorite Zelda. Not my favorite dungeons though, haha. Still like them, the design is great, but they're kinda ... really easy imo.
Also, I still wait for a Switch port :(
As someone who grew up on the zelda series, these videos provide a great sense of nostalgia for me even if I have played these games before. Thanks for creating videos analyzing something i am so passionate about.
“race back to outlet, give grandma a fairy and get some soup.” lmaoooo
Nice! Right at the start of my work day, too!
God bless these dungeon design vids, the OoT and MM ones keep me going
Dude, i love ur channel!!!!
Being the first ever Zelda game I've beaten, Wind Waker is a very special and important game for me, and it's a game I come back to purely for that really comforting feeling!
I honestly adore the Skullhammer, it feels so fun to use and honestly is tied with Twilight/Skyward's Dual Clawshots as my favorite items and cracking the Bird's Skull with the Hammer is so satisfying and even when hitting other enemies it feels hilariously personal to use the Hammer to smash enemies over just a quick few Sword Slashes
So something interesting for the Tower of the Gods.
The wall marks you mentioned as being stars and constellations actually bare quite a bit of resemblance to early model integrated circuits and the boss rooms electrified floor looks a lot like modern circutry. That along with the artificial lights, lasers, gold which has many technological uses, and the giant robotic boss gives the whole tower a more technolgocial feel then any other place in the game. It's actually a fascinating contrast of old-school marble temple construction and technology that has no equal in this world.
Really gives the impression this might have been fashioned by the golden gods directly using a mix of technology they understand with their unearthly knowledge and direct divine power to make a test for possible heroes. Also explains the similarity to Sheikah designs, the Sheikah were very spiritual and tech inclined but ultimately taking inspiration from the gods, and the scary faces all over intended to scare off anyone too timid for the test rather then kill them.
Fun fact about Kale Demos that was not covered in the video, you can actually bring Forest Spring water from the water source surrounding the Deku Tree with you into the boss fight, and if you pour it onto the boss, it will instantly kill it. Just a neat detail.
Time to make popcorn
1:28:11 the music in the earth temple is one of my favorites from the ENTIRE series!! Particularly the didgeridoo which is an EXTREMELY underutilized instrument and needs to be popularized more. That combined with the steady drums really show off the earth theming. And the dissonant synth layers on top help the undead theming really shine through as well. It’s a great track IMO.
I think the coolest thought is that, with Medley being a descendent of the Zora sage, it’s cool to think that the zora had to evolve into the rito tribe since hyrule was flooded.
Absolutely loved this game, this and four swords are the two you want to get people started with to get them into Zelda
Did I recently watch these videos individually? Yes. Am I going to watch the compilation now? Also yes.
This vid made me realize one of the biggest things I adore about wind waker: the golden goddesses actually matter. They also give an implication for where the spirit of the hero came from and why the goddesses are active in the adult timeline. See the spirit of the hero passes on after its current incarnation dies. OoT link doesn’t ever die in the adult timeline so the spirit never comes to protect Hyrule, that’s why the goddesses finally intervene here, their fail safe is gone. I love how it shows people still actually care about them and not just hylia
Everyone dies at some point. Link wasn’t immortal just because he wasn’t killed.
I think the Wind Temple should have been the fist dugeon to reintroduce the winged mothula.
Every other mini-bosss becomes a reular enemy except for the Winged Mothula and the orange Wizzrobe.
I honestly had no idea you could do a side swing with the hammer and send those miniblins absolutely flying lol I need to try this
I remember when I launched the remaster of WW I actually just about teared up 😭😭😭💕💕💕
Yes 🥳🥳 perfect for Friday 🎉
The sound design of the floormasters is something that gave me serious nightmares 20 years back
I would say that the tower also has some zonai influance
what do you MEAN jalhalla doesn't have big bug eyes???? are you telling me that the last 22 years of my life have been a lie??? that's my main takeaway here.
supposedly, the reason why it forces you to do the earth temple first is because in the wind temple, the key item is the hookshot. and in the triforce quest in the original you need the hookshot to get the ghost ship map. and the other one is the enemy Gauntlet on the island north/northeast of Dragon Roost. so if you decided to do the wind temple first and got the hookshot, that would kinda mess up the Triforce Quest. especially in the original, the game WANTS you to do the Triforce quest as the last thing you do. if you REALLY want to, in the GC version, you can get all of the charts and shards right after you get the Skull Hammer. im sure there couldve been a way to keep you from going back to hyrule too early but thats atleast the theory i heard
I am liking the fact that he talks about the music in this game for the most part when i play games i usually play without sound because i am trying not to disturb anyone else in the house so for some of these places this is the first time i am hearing the music
How can you play with no music? Some video games have absolutely remarkable soundtracks you’re missing out on!
I like the Wind Waker dungeons. I would have liked more of them.
I WISH Nintendo would release this game (yes, for a third time… I’d buy it again, tho as of now I’m trying to emulate it lol) i think wind waker is the best zelda game. It gives that feeling of adventure so well! My personal favorite dungeons are tower of the gods and the earth temple. Oh god, that earth temple music 😩👌🏾.
My theory was always that the forbidden woods were the corpse of the OOT great deku tree. It being kokiri forest also makes sense though
Gosh I love Windwaker!
i actually think the tower of the gods boss might be one of the more interesting ones. if it's a building made by the sheika and it's a test of your power it actually makes sense they took inspiration from bosses from their own time. like how you compared him to king dodongo with the bomb feeding and ghoma with the eye shooting. that might have been the sheika's inspiration for their trial which only makes it more connected to ocarina of time
What is the song playing here at 32:14? I can't remember where exactly this is from in the series so I can't find the song QQ
It's the song from the opening cutscene of Wind Waker
@@CaptBurgerson Thank you. The song is called "The Legendary Hero" for anyone else curious.
Love this game 🩵
Hey ! I watch this video like 4 times Already, you have a nice voice and I like to fall asleep on it.
44.47 you don't need the Boomerang, just take a stick with a baba loot and lit the fire!
I'm about ten time now, one day I will finish it!
Regarding the scrapped Great Fish Isle dungeon and extended Triforce quest, it makes me think of how much better the Wind Waker could have been if it hadn't been rushed out of development. Still a great game and one that I love (I don't even necessarily mind the flipping of certain conventions), just feel like it could have been even better.
Oh!
I did not recognise up until now that the baton is the titular "wind waker"!
In German it's called "Taktstock des Windes" (baton of the wind) - therefore, I always assumed Link himself is suppossed to be the wind waker since he wakes the wind using this baton.
Mind blown. xD
I love this game so muuuchhhhhh
14:56 I don't consider this, like, a spoiler. In most of the past games, Ganondorf has always been the bad guy. It was pretty common to think something along the lines of, "Oh, Ganon is badguy for Zelda. Like Bowser is for Mario." The game even like, tells you in the intro Ganon came back and started doing evil, and then it shows you this mysterious evil person that a bunch of pigs are listening to? I don't think there was ever a mystery here to begin with.
I know it's by far no one's favorite, but the idea of a dungeon being a test of courage or filled with guardians meant to protect the treasure from evil actually comes from Zelda 2. Every single dungeon in that game is such a dungeon.
1:22:05 - Wait, since when did you *have* to do the Earth Temple before the Wind Temple? You make a big deal out of this but never explain why. And I distinctly remember having both Makar and Medlei on my boat at the same time when I played, so…?
Since always. You literally can not do the wind temple first. Story events / cutscenes won’t trigger
it didn’t let me and i just finished a playthrough a week or so ago. makar is entirely unavailable to talk to until you’ve completed the earth temple! the deku tree tells you that he’s not around, and the music hint to find him isn’t there.
So hyped for the twilight princess video
I get lost all the time! I think my brain just stores the room layouts and the map as two separate things, so I never remember to check them. Anyways, I got lost several times when I first did the beginning Fortress and got lost at least once every time I retry the game, I'm glad it's not just me.
15:40 very nice music NOSTALGIC!
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Whoahahaha DYUDE!
Neat!
I’m just discovering your channel. One thing about this video is there’s too much of just retelling how to solve the dungeons. Is this something that’s constant for all your videos for the other games? I wanted more discussion on themes/analysis, not just retelling how to solve the dungeon and a retelling of every room
Hi, thanks for watching.
When I began making these dungeon focused videos, it was definitely more what you’re looking for. However, as time went on it is a trend I noticed developing within my own scripts later on, and it comes to a head in the Twilight Princess videos I think. Too much focus on what happens in every single room and less insights being drawn about why any of that matters.
When I started into BOTW and then the early 2D games, followed by TOTK, I made deliberate efforts to make it less walkthrough-like and more engaging and closer to my original vision for the series of videos. Hopefully those ones would be more to your liking?
@@CaptBurgerson that's cool. I look forward to going through your backlog of videos. You have a very pleasing voice and way of narrating. And the insights you make when present are cool. What game do you think you offer the most insights for?
@@internets6501 I do think getting into the dungeon design of A Link to the Past gave me a lot of room for that stuff, and there’s concepts I only noticed there that I think I could retroactively apply to games I had previously looked at. Those ones may be some of my favourites to have examined as far as that side of things goes
Wind waker was my first ever Zelda game and I got it in 2005.
But the forbidden forest boss you can cheese with forest haven water. Instakill
You know, Ganondorf HAD that 1 Opportunity to just Kill Zelda right there to avoid her from getting back up and using the Light Arrows again.
But He DIDN'T. He showed Restraint, Mercy even. Why was that?
Other than Gameplay Reasons, he did not have to Show Zelda Mercy by knocking her out. He had that Golden Opportunity to Kill her and then that would Spell Doom to Link because he wouldn't have Zelda as a Backup shooting Light Arrows.
I mean it's just something to Ponder, why would he Waste such an Opportunity to Kill Zelda if that was going to be his Goal anyways? The King of Hyrule had already made the Wish, so why would Ganondorf not Kill Zelda in that Brief Moment, why would he only knock her out?
Maybe Ganondorf didn't really Intend to Kill them, probably beat Link down to where he didn't have the strength to continue and knock Zelda out, but not kill them.
52:12
After that, you give the pearls to some Pikmin-- Uh... Wait. I mean...
I am surprised that they didn’t mention the way to one shot kill the forbidden forest boss as a fun side note. (Pour water on it from the sacred grove before it turns plain)
I DIS-LIKE THE PEA-HAT’S LMFAOOOOO …….. DAYUMMMM …….
....... So when was someone gonna tell me my idea of "burger" wasnt original
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Wind Waker is my favourite Zelda game but even with heavy bias i do think getting to the first dungeon Dragon Roost Caven takes way too long and the game was clearly rushed
Anybody else just find Medli so Cute?
Hope you at least consider streaming a Zelda game in the future, think you would have a knack for it!
I’m gonna stream a first time blind playthrough of breath of the wild
Well windwaker is one of the best zeldas and i absolutly love the sailing but obe of the greatest sins of nintendo is the rushing of windwaker
Surprised you didn’t mention the instant kill for the boss of the Forbidden Woods where you pour the forest water, any reason you didn’t mention it?
No particular reason. Had trouble fitting it in the script without it feeling shoehorned I guess?
I never knew Jalhalla had tiny eyes! TIL.
Hi
Did u know u can instakill the forest dungeon boss with forest water bottle
Sure did! I dont mention it in the video (not sure why I didn’t) but I was working at Zelda Informer back in the day when that was discovered. Such a fun little quirk though
I can't believe you didn't mention the Tingle statues. 0/10 Unwatchable.
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@@CaptBurgerson np. I love these videos.
Do Twilight Princess next
Just because you said this I’ll be doing Skyward Sword next instead
@@CaptBurgerson :(
Someone should reply to this in 12 hours or so to remind to watch it
Good idea
Thank you!@@CaptBurgerson
I get the feeling the real reason the earth and wind temple have a set completion order is that both dungeons involve a partner character that you have to bring to the dungeon via the boat. The script likely couldn't handle the proposition of starting one of the quests and having that companion with you and then getting the other one before actually starting the dungeon, so the game simply forces you to finish one before the other.
Definitely not, the game just needs to make certain checks unavailable whilst a partner is riding the boat and then it's fine. Plus they both sit on different sides of the boat, even if they didn't there is most likely a true/false for both of them and whether or not they are riding the boat. With easy modding I'm sure you can activate both of them in the boat at the same time.
@@Gamxin While this is possible, remember the original was made in a time where 3D video games lacked the kind of optimizations we would take for granted today. The 3D models, for example, have no back face culling nor obstruction culling, and likely don't utilize frustum culling either. The game had a famously hurried development as well, so while it's possible the original intent was to allow the two to be completed in either order, that was causing problems in the event scripts they didn't have time to troubleshoot, so a set order was used as the solution.
@@PopcornBunni I'm not really arguing as much the order of operations as I am the ability to have both of them on the boat without a crash
When is the dungeon design for LOZ Link awakening
I’m working on it, but please be patient. Good content takes time
I think the music had to lean into the ambient to play against the cartoony vibes. Otherwise it might lack seriousness.
I never knew light arrows ohked enemies I don’t think I ever used them if I didn’t have too
I didn’t even remember light arrows after watching play-throughs of BotW this year.
using wind waker hylian on the maps is a great idea, but it's a cipher for japanese's katakana, so these probably don't translate as you think they do :)
They don’t. It’s essentially a font pack that I downloaded and typed little easter eggs out, but it won’t be 1:1 with the Hylian language found in the game. I really did it for aesthetics
@@CaptBurgerson oh yeah fair enough i think it was a nice touch
Why am I watching this video oh I know why cause I like wind waker and I might as well waste my time with more stuff also Hero mode is a bad gamemode in wind waker double damage eh your still able to heal potions and fariy bottles.
Give me a real challenge master mode no healing and enemy's deal more than double damage like triple or quadruple damage.
Also I already know about this stuff played this game like several times or more.
I don’t know if this guy follows these opinions, but a lot of the time I find it contradictory how people claim twilight princess is a cheap copy of ocarina of time, while ignoring and insulting the things it does so differently, namely its beginning, where instead of just putting you in a dungeon as fast as possible and expecting you to already care about Link and the surrounding characters, twilight princess takes its time to establish Link and all his friends, so when they start getting captured and possibly dying you actually care. Zelda isn’t just its dungeons, I don’t see why the beginning should just be a buildup to its dungeons
I have certainly never criticized TP for being too similar to OOT (I don’t even really think it is tbh), and I certainly don’t mind story set up before the first dungeon. I just don’t like how TP handles it. That said, I don’t go into a lot of detail about it here because this isn’t a TP video
Not going to lie. All of the talk about ocarina of time got kind of annoying. Like we are supposed to be talking about wind waker here not the other game. Just my thoughts though.
I didn’t grow up with ocarina of time and so I didn’t have any nostalgia bias towarda it when I played, and saw the game for all of its good parts and its flaws as well.
This one, MM (also played on the 3D version a couple of months ago), and TP are my favorites.
Wind Waker is a sequel to OOT. It’s story is set in the aftermath of that game, and it goes to great lengths to reference OOT itself constantly. It’s he’s to talk about Wind Waker without OOT coming up tbh
I though links awakening
That’s coming. See the description / pinned comment
I think the dungeons are definitely the worst thing about _Wind Waker,_ perhaps aside from the general “unfinished-ness.” I think the game probably has the worst selection of dungeons in any 3D _Zelda_ game, maybe even including _BOTW_ and _TOTK_ 😬
HD version of this game its horrible in so many aspects...
Gonna disagree with you there 👉😎👉
Lol... imagine buying a WiiU Pro Controller... *cringe*
Lol not cringe at all. I had them for Smash and Mario Kart. It was worth it.
In fact, I didn’t even buy them. I received them alongside my Wii U as a wedding gift from my best friend. He got me the console, four pro controllers, and a handful of games including the above mentioned smash and Mario kart. This was years before switch. It was an incredibly generous gift from a true homie
Wind waker and Skyward are better than Oot and MM in every way
That's a very narrow minded perspective lol
Wind Waker is great but it has the worst dungeons of any 3D Zelda game. The best parts of the game are outside dungeons