Another price/performance king from Arctic, it seems (just like with their CPU coolers). I can't wait until Noctua release their next-gen 140mm fan, it's supposed to come out in Q2 2024, so, pretty soon, hopefully you're going to test that. It will probably set some benchmarks, but at a high price as usual.
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yeah and I want a basic fan box design so I can try different 3d printed funnels and stuff, but you can't with alot of these designs for different reasons
I bought 20+ Arctic p12 and p14 from a miner a few years ago for very cheap and still using them in my main PC as case fans, also used them in other builds and very happy with them. Got a few Noctua and bequet fans that cost me 3-4 times more and don't perform that much better. Why are you not testing any Noctua fans? Supposedly 1 of the best fan makers, would love to see your results on them, as mentioned before I bought a few Noctua fans, the most expensive ones are their industrial 3000RPM 12" and 14" fans for 30$ each and IMO they're not worth the 30$ as they get extremely loud over 2000RPM sounding like server fans.
Longwin does provide real word results. AIOs and other stuff use reviewers who don't own the proper equipment to conduct fan reviews. Say I select one or five or ten AIOs. Still this will be 1% of the whole market. The longwin provides ALL kinds of conditions! There is NO need to use AIO or other stuff when you have a Longwin. This is its purpose and this is why it costs 60K.
Ok, but 99% of people don't know how to read those results because they are too professional, most people like those mainstream testings thats the fact. It will nothing cost you to include for example Arctic LF III 240mm and 280mm AIOs for testings. PS. noise from vents are very differnt on model to model if you attach them to AIO
@@phantomzagreb No time unfortunately to add more testing, especially from the time I know it doesn't matter. It is better to do more vids and educate people about fans rather than doing useless testing, right?
@@HardwareBusters The thing is, static pressure and airflow on their own are somewhat hard to translate to a real world scenario. Of course different aio's will perform differently but they do offer some form of grounding, if one fan is better at static pressure and the other offers more airflow which is better could be a question only answered by a real world application. In terms of noise how do other components affect it, or it's frequency response. This is something you require a better analog for. End of the day the question people have is how does it perform in use, which can be derived from other data, but is not an easy thing to do. A single case setup where air flow is messured through the case would help ground the data in the real world.
@@phantomzagreb Top static pressure, good airflow = good for AIO's. Sweet spot for high CPU load is 1700 RPM & 2300 RPM upwards for extreme cooling requirements. That's exactly why testing with a few AIO's is irrelevant because acoustics can behave wildly different & you can add the case mounting system to complicate things more. Arctic LF III data is useless for someone with an Asetek, Alphacool or whatever other OEM AIO's so it's a waste of time IMO.
Another great review from HB and a great procut from Arctic. I dont think they should include an adapter for fans when they have a fan hub for 10€ on their site (their focus on low cost is enough).
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Awesome video, very informative! It would be cool if you tested out some stock fans that come with cases as it would be a nice way of showing where most people "start" and then they can compare stock to whatever they want to upgrade to. For example, how are the Fractal Design "Aspect 14 pwm" compared to others in your list.
I do wish you did a C° comparison chart on a cpu with a water and/or air cooler. something like: @ 25dba @1m for 10 minutes vs ambient with an 80w load or smthn like that. I'm really interested in what static pressure and case flow difference is in C°. great review though!
Temp test on a a single cooler doesn't show anything. This is why I paid 60K for the Fan testing machine by Long Win. One cooler might want high airflow, other high static pressure, other both, so testing on coolers will only show 1% of the whole picture.
I have these fans in my desktop, three on the Arctic AIO radiator and three in the bottom of the case. I have had two of them fail. One started making a sort of hissing, grinding noise, light but still noticable. I thought it was noise from the AIO pump at first. I removed the fan, replaced it and there was no further noise. Then another one in the bottom started "knocking". It would do this when the PC started up from a cold start or sleep. The fan would then stop and start again, just that one fan. When it started again it would then run fine, no noise at all. I know they are inexpensive, but having two fail doesn't leave a positive impression. I've used other Arctic fans in the past without issue. I also have a P12 MAX in the PC which has been fine. It's the P14 MAX fans that have been the issue. I know this is only anecdotal evidence, but out of six fans to have a 30% failure rate isn't good.
Question regarding Radiator performance: In general 120mm Fans provide more static pressure than their 140mm counterpart when comparing the same noise normalized charts (40db, 30db, 20db etc.) side by side, for example the Arctic P12 max vs P14 max With that in mind, will the 140mm Fan on a 420 Rad still outperform the 120mm Fan on a 360 Rad because of the larger surface area?
Sir, ur picture of the 5 package is wrong price showing wrong product P14 PWM PST which is different item and a minimum of 1/3 cheaper at least in country of origin (0:48) Also the stats like RPM; below PWM%; cfm; and others differ notable between 0:30 and 1:00 but thanks for the review, want some of these if they become cheaper
Would it be possible for you to investigate whether an increase in static pressure results in less turbulence and therefore less noise in radiator cooling?
hi HB i was comparing your fans with EKWB ones and in your charts its not correct in the comparison of pmax with ekwb compared to your review of ekwb loop fan. could u check your data and confirm and rectifiy if it was not correct ? i had 18 loop ekwb fans and i bought arctic ones to change them for the incredible DB ratio but now in my case it seems almost the same. and i noticed i cant go above 2600rpm on a 60mm thick radiator in push pull
@@HardwareBusters I wouldn't run them at high speeds, I was mainly thinking I'd get slightly more performance at below 800 RPM's, which is where I'd be happy with 0 noise (no curve, flat RPM)
@@HardwareBusters Hello. Thank you for your response. I did see your test but it's the ARGB version and not the "black" version. I think there must be differences, if only in the material used for the fan blades, which I think must have an influence on the operation and therefore on the measurements that would be obtained.
the only metric that matters is performance right below the annoyance threshold any speed lower or higher than that is irrelevant but nobody tests that, all reviews and tests go for much higher speeds
@@KonglomeratYT for A12x25 that's around 650RPM, 600RPM for T30, for the 135mm variant of Silent Wings 3 that was 450RPM, for most of fans I had it's below they start to really move any air at all (NB B12 has a noisy motor, Kaze Flex just woosh at all speeds, S12A is basically the same in that aspect though I managed to run it silently but it wasn't moving ANY air despite being airflow optimized, Arctic P12... don't have exact numbers, works a bit but moves way too little air when compared to A12x25)
Arctic fans will always come with an asterisk because of the obnoxious humming they can produce. Obviously a great value but that's a dealbreaker for a lot of people
It would also be interesting to see how Arctic's older fans do in comparison. The P14 PWM might still be a viable option if the higher speed isn't needed.
Another price/performance king from Arctic, it seems (just like with their CPU coolers). I can't wait until Noctua release their next-gen 140mm fan, it's supposed to come out in Q2 2024, so, pretty soon, hopefully you're going to test that. It will probably set some benchmarks, but at a high price as usual.
whatever is out from Noctua, I will have it no worries
or hopefully Phanteks makes their t30-140.
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Damn. Such straight to the data approach with actual industry grade testing machines. Review worlds need more people like you.
Every fan manufacturer out there squeezing out everything they can with LCP materials while Arctic just steamrolls them with a plastic design.
yeah and I want a basic fan box design so I can try different 3d printed funnels and stuff, but you can't with alot of these designs for different reasons
If noise is not an issue the noctua ippc fans might provide a little bit more performance, but will be louder. It is not LCP.
I dont know how you could make a fan review more precise, scientific and straightforward. Very valuable information, thank you very much
Amazing video. I love how you show the data as a function of noise (rpm cfm static pressure and W). this is so helpful. Thank you!
Superb and thorough review and comparison. Well done! 🍻
When we refer to the fan value king, then Arctic is one of the names. :-)
I bought 20+ Arctic p12 and p14 from a miner a few years ago for very cheap and still using them in my main PC as case fans, also used them in other builds and very happy with them. Got a few Noctua and bequet fans that cost me 3-4 times more and don't perform that much better.
Why are you not testing any Noctua fans? Supposedly 1 of the best fan makers, would love to see your results on them, as mentioned before I bought a few Noctua fans, the most expensive ones are their industrial 3000RPM 12" and 14" fans for 30$ each and IMO they're not worth the 30$ as they get extremely loud over 2000RPM sounding like server fans.
I have tested Noctua fans. You can check either the Cybenetics fan database or hwbusters. I list their results in various reviews.
The max are night & day better. It’s not even close. Makes the previous fans seem like e-waste.
awsome!! ive been waiting for this for so long
Amazing video and detail, keep up the great work
Appreciate your dedication to being able to correctly and accurately measure the fans.
It would be good if he included in the testing one AIO on which he would test all types of vents, so it is possible to see the real world results
Longwin does provide real word results. AIOs and other stuff use reviewers who don't own the proper equipment to conduct fan reviews. Say I select one or five or ten AIOs. Still this will be 1% of the whole market. The longwin provides ALL kinds of conditions! There is NO need to use AIO or other stuff when you have a Longwin. This is its purpose and this is why it costs 60K.
Ok, but 99% of people don't know how to read those results because they are too professional, most people like those mainstream testings thats the fact.
It will nothing cost you to include for example Arctic LF III 240mm and 280mm AIOs for testings.
PS. noise from vents are very differnt on model to model if you attach them to AIO
@@phantomzagreb No time unfortunately to add more testing, especially from the time I know it doesn't matter. It is better to do more vids and educate people about fans rather than doing useless testing, right?
@@HardwareBusters The thing is, static pressure and airflow on their own are somewhat hard to translate to a real world scenario.
Of course different aio's will perform differently but they do offer some form of grounding, if one fan is better at static pressure and the other offers more airflow which is better could be a question only answered by a real world application.
In terms of noise how do other components affect it, or it's frequency response. This is something you require a better analog for.
End of the day the question people have is how does it perform in use, which can be derived from other data, but is not an easy thing to do.
A single case setup where air flow is messured through the case would help ground the data in the real world.
@@phantomzagreb Top static pressure, good airflow = good for AIO's. Sweet spot for high CPU load is 1700 RPM & 2300 RPM upwards for extreme cooling requirements.
That's exactly why testing with a few AIO's is irrelevant because acoustics can behave wildly different & you can add the case mounting system to complicate things more. Arctic LF III data is useless for someone with an Asetek, Alphacool or whatever other OEM AIO's so it's a waste of time IMO.
Excellent review! Straight to the point, clear, concise and relevant testing.
Το πρώτο P14 Max review σε όλο τον κόσμο. Respect🙌
Another great review from HB and a great procut from Arctic. I dont think they should include an adapter for fans when they have a fan hub for 10€ on their site (their focus on low cost is enough).
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I don't know how Arctic do it. They make such incredible products at such incredible prices. Their watercoolers are top tier also. Love it.
Awesome video, very informative!
It would be cool if you tested out some stock fans that come with cases as it would be a nice way of showing where most people "start" and then they can compare stock to whatever they want to upgrade to. For example, how are the Fractal Design "Aspect 14 pwm" compared to others in your list.
Thanks this is a great review man!! will go ahead and buy some p14 max white fans for my build soon hehe
I do wish you did a C° comparison chart on a cpu with a water and/or air cooler. something like: @ 25dba @1m for 10 minutes vs ambient with an 80w load or smthn like that. I'm really interested in what static pressure and case flow difference is in C°.
great review though!
Super.
You must test arctic liquid freeze 3 with this new arctic fans
I have two for testing. I am too busy unfortunately to do that, and to be frank it will only matter at full speed and not normalized noise output.
Fantastic work!
Great video and review.
The US amazon link appears to not be working
Great data and presentation
Replaced the P14's on my Liquid Freezer 420 AIO with the MAX versions. They're loud but don't care; performance > noise
i mean im all for the data tables but an actual temp test on a cooler would be nice to SEE the difference
Temp test on a a single cooler doesn't show anything. This is why I paid 60K for the Fan testing machine by Long Win. One cooler might want high airflow, other high static pressure, other both, so testing on coolers will only show 1% of the whole picture.
I have these fans in my desktop, three on the Arctic AIO radiator and three in the bottom of the case. I have had two of them fail. One started making a sort of hissing, grinding noise, light but still noticable. I thought it was noise from the AIO pump at first. I removed the fan, replaced it and there was no further noise. Then another one in the bottom started "knocking". It would do this when the PC started up from a cold start or sleep. The fan would then stop and start again, just that one fan. When it started again it would then run fine, no noise at all. I know they are inexpensive, but having two fail doesn't leave a positive impression. I've used other Arctic fans in the past without issue. I also have a P12 MAX in the PC which has been fine. It's the P14 MAX fans that have been the issue. I know this is only anecdotal evidence, but out of six fans to have a 30% failure rate isn't good.
you probably fell into a bad batch
Question regarding Radiator performance:
In general 120mm Fans provide more static pressure than their 140mm counterpart when comparing the same noise normalized charts (40db, 30db, 20db etc.) side by side, for example the Arctic P12 max vs P14 max
With that in mind, will the 140mm Fan on a 420 Rad still outperform the 120mm Fan on a 360 Rad because of the larger surface area?
Most likely yes.
Sir, ur picture of the 5 package is wrong price showing wrong product P14 PWM PST which is different item and a minimum of 1/3 cheaper at least in country of origin (0:48)
Also the stats like RPM; below PWM%; cfm; and others differ notable between 0:30 and 1:00
but thanks for the review, want some of these if they become cheaper
I know they differ, the official specs between our measurements. This is why I procide real vs claimed performance information in all of my reviews.
Please test Phanteks M25 d-rgb 140mm ❤
Will try to find it. Problem is that I have zero contact with this brand :(
@@HardwareBusters thanks for trying! These d-rgb fans supposedly can push 104 cfm or so! Decent static pressure but nowhere near the P 14 max
Would it be possible for you to investigate whether an increase in static pressure results in less turbulence and therefore less noise in radiator cooling?
I can do that yes, but I will need to find two fans with exactly the same specs, with only static pressure being different.
@@HardwareBusters I understand
Great, thank you !!!
hi HB i was comparing your fans with EKWB ones and in your charts its not correct in the comparison of pmax with ekwb compared to your review of ekwb loop fan. could u check your data and confirm and rectifiy if it was not correct ? i had 18 loop ekwb fans and i bought arctic ones to change them for the incredible DB ratio but now in my case it seems almost the same.
and i noticed i cant go above 2600rpm on a 60mm thick radiator in push pull
All data is correct, we re-test several fans during reviews, new samples, updating at the same time all of our graphs.
Is it worth upgrading over normal P14's as a case fan? I got three P14's in 4000D Airflow, and I am seriosuly considering switching to Max version
Max version is stronger, if you need more airflow and you don't care so much about noise
@@HardwareBusters I wouldn't run them at high speeds, I was mainly thinking I'd get slightly more performance at below 800 RPM's, which is where I'd be happy with 0 noise (no curve, flat RPM)
Can i use them as a front intake fans ?
yes
@@HardwareBusters THX so much
The 5 pack u showed in the video is NOT the p14 max, just the regular p14…
yeap ok, wrong photo/picture. So?
how about 140mm sanyo san ace fans ?
They are top-notch in quality, that's for sure. Never tested one though.
Hello.
Great job!
Can you try the SilverStone SST-SF140B - Shark Force ?
I have reviewed it as I remember. Check our site, hwbusters.com
@@HardwareBusters Hello. Thank you for your response. I did see your test but it's the ARGB version and not the "black" version. I think there must be differences, if only in the material used for the fan blades, which I think must have an influence on the operation and therefore on the measurements that would be obtained.
Nice!
the only metric that matters is performance right below the annoyance threshold
any speed lower or higher than that is irrelevant but nobody tests that, all reviews and tests go for much higher speeds
What is the annoyance threshold? I've never been annoyed by my PC fans @ any RPM over the past 20 years.
@@KonglomeratYT for A12x25 that's around 650RPM, 600RPM for T30, for the 135mm variant of Silent Wings 3 that was 450RPM, for most of fans I had it's below they start to really move any air at all (NB B12 has a noisy motor, Kaze Flex just woosh at all speeds, S12A is basically the same in that aspect though I managed to run it silently but it wasn't moving ANY air despite being airflow optimized, Arctic P12... don't have exact numbers, works a bit but moves way too little air when compared to A12x25)
jesteś jednym z tych dziwaków co marudzą nawet na karte graficzną bo jej cewki piszczą i jest płacz i lament bo nie jest idealnie cicho?
@@resko8758 po prostu oczekuję dobrej jakości i jestem skłonny za to zapłacić
Thumbs up!!
Arctic fans will always come with an asterisk because of the obnoxious humming they can produce. Obviously a great value but that's a dealbreaker for a lot of people
Now arctic needs a refresh of their AIOs with these fans. Their coolers will probably be the best mid range coolers on the market
It would also be interesting to see how Arctic's older fans do in comparison. The P14 PWM might still be a viable option if the higher speed isn't needed.
I bought it for 11€
no noctua comparison = worthless
these fans can keep the pc cooler but some people say they are slightly different noise, I would say they are good as one another.