-- Spec Confusion As some of you pointed out, the specs stated at 00:50 are NOT the ones Arctic states on their website. After a short panic attack - those are the specs written on the box. I have reached out to Arctic to get more information on this matter, either the Website or every P14 Max packaging got the wrong numbers. There will be an update as soon as we get an answer.
Update --- There was indeed an error on the packaging of the first few batches. The correct Stats are: 95CFM / 4.18mm/H2O According to Arctic, this error has since been corrected. However, this also means that there are who-knows-how-many P14 Max fans floating around with the wrong Specs on the box.
@@STSYT Thanks for the update! Awesome that you follow up that kind of stuff. I saw some people complaining about whirring/buzzing sound. Similar to what some of the P12 Max's were struggling with. I didn't hear any in your video but, did you notice any weird noise in general?
@@vedomedo Nothing noticable from far. If pressed against my ear while spinning, you could hear some sort of breaking grinding noise, but that was only at close range. I hope that doesn't become louder, but if it will, I'll update again ^^
Awesome to see an Arctic employee in the comments! I have a question for you. The fans themselves are markedet as having "Fluid Dynamic Bearing", but in specifically hwbusters' review he states the fans are "Rifle bearing and not FDB as advertised". I was going to order a pack of these but reading that made me a bit worried. If that review is false, I would advise you to contact them and let them know.
And yet another phenomenal review 👌as expected. 🙂 As someone who has been building gaming rigs for as long as I have (27 years+), I love the attention to detail in your reviews and there is always a touch of humor in there. "P14 ARGB that thing had to go a lot through in the years poor little guy" 🤣🤣 keep it up👍 I'm already looking forward to the next video. greetings from Germany Torsten
The Max series suffered from a bearing noise issue. Their bearing was changed in recent batches and now it's fine but there's still a chance that you'll get ones with old noisy bearings so either wait some time until those old batches disappear from the market or make sure you can return them if you get those.
for the price I'd agree. There's less competition in that size of AIO as well. I have the LFII and see no reason to push/pull however. The LFIII has a higher speed pump which is its main advantage. An advantage it wouldn't need if Intel i9 wasn't pushing 300watts.
Thanks for the review! I’m putting these in as case fans and replacing the fans in the Liquid freezer 3 with these. Bought 2 five packs can’t beat the performance to price! Great tip about controller them with a custom fan curve.
Now we just need the LF3 420 MAX, either by arctic or by you. Probably not going to be swapping these in on the lf2 420, since im more limited by coldplate and pump than fans anyways.
I love the P12 max for its double ball bearing. It's nice to know that I bought a fan - and it's actually eternal. Yes, if you're not lucky, it will be a little noisier, but as a rule it's a trifle, you still can't hear behind the airflow. and the P14 max FDM has a bearing, i.e. it is a valve for a couple / several years (if you are lucky). I miss thermalright TY-143, it cost a penny, it makes noise depending on the speed - not much, it's a pity that they are no longer produced.
didn't watch yet, but f***ing finally Arctic ! Watched it now, nice video and thanks for reviewing it so fast, was really waiting for it, and was not disappointed by the results, chart toping or atleast super close to the top Performance for super little money (in the value pack, it goes down to ~8,50 €). Arctic did deliver as expected. Now im only waiting for one 140mm fan the P30 140, cause the 120 is a beast, albeit for a hefty Premium compared to Arctic. Nice Video as always, appreciated.
Nice.. got me a set (5box 2wks ago) and build it on the 420 LF-III in puch (not puch/pull) and used the originals (RGB) as front case fans (7000D) for a 14900k build with a soft control curve... it's a cyclone in a case.. lol.. thnx for your vid's
You just made me check whether my P12 max has ball bearings or not.. Edit: yeah it's the ball bearing one and it has no noise problem. So it's silent and gonna be longer lasting, yay i guess
Is it worth replacing the P14's on my Liquid Freezer ii? Possibly not as my fans rarely hit 50% RPM, gaming load usually sees temps in the mid 50's°C but for those folks who live where it's hot, Arctic has got you!
I bought them when they released. 9eur/piece. They are good. Also almost never using more than 50% speed. Best price performance ratio. Probably best performance too..
Oh noes... I upgraded every fan from my PC to the arctic 120 and had some big temp gains, even using 2 as my dual tower cooler fans... Now I instantly want 2 of these, before even watching the review, to put in the front of my S340 🤣
did you adjust fan curves? doesn't really make sense that you would get "big temp gains" unless you ran them a lot quieter than whatever you had before
@@Violet-ui I use them all at 80%, mega quiet and a lot of gains. My cooler had muck fans and my front ones had to run at 1200rpm or they would sound like a jet
lancool iii running stock fans plus two 140mm kazeflex rgb rounds on top as exaust, it's insane how slow you can run these big fans and still exaust monstrous amounts of air my curves top at 40% max.
A small but important correction, you said "cool down the water [by] x degrees", when you should have said "cooled the loop [to] x degrees above ambient". Because that's what your graph says it's measured, and a higher and lower placement/value have the opposite meaning.
Really impressive and a bargain at this price if you need the performance. Would like to see how this performs on a big air cooler maxed out just for the luls.
@@MultiMustafa7 Don't get silent wings 4 high speed. They are very loud when mounted to the case. Get the Arctic ones instead. Or else get Silent wings non speed version
Can you do a review of the Thermalright TL-K12? those look awesome. They are also on the new Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO. And some of their 360mm aio's? I think they will be competitive against some other brands.
The P14 Max vs P14 ARGB comparison really didn't go as I expected it would for radiators. Not enough to have me replace my current P14 ARGBs but I'm definitely only buying these fans from now on.
FDB. Iirc think they changed the in the later revisions due to complaints for noise. The origional had a low quality dual bearing(s) that was quite noticable, even with lower RPM's.
Thx for this update about these new fans, now I must think about wich one I would buy and use when I buy the be quite silent base 802. I´s that the TT Toughfan 14 Pro, or maybe even the P14 Max?! I use use right now the TT Toughfan 12 Pro on my Pearless Assassin 120 SE and they do a damn good job at cooling with a very good job at noise level. So the Arctic like always price and performance must be a damn good job against the TT 14 pro.
I Just can't get over the amount of money people are willing to waste on Noctua fans when there are options out there that cost a fraction and are 95% as good if not even better in some cases
Do not mount the fans into your computer before testing the RPM. Instead, hold a single fan with your hand and connect the power cable of the fan into your motherboard while at the BIOs screen. Now, check the RPM.
hi can u tell me what length of screws i need to mount them on a radiator, do they come with theirs screws for radiator mount ? asking since they are 27mm thick is 30mm enough or i need to get 35 mm screws ?
Depends on what you find 'best'. Super Flower Megacool's are crazy with their 120 and 140mm fans pushing 152 and 169 cfm max respectively. Loud though as they are performance fans. For lower speeds Lian Li's Unifan are up there and Bequiet's Silent Wings 4 are amoung to top ones. Basically the 28-30mm width fans rule the roost for noise to performance normalised.
@@plsbanhackers9031 I modified the frame with a dremel. Measured and tapped the 2mm screw holes and attached Ihem to the case. The 2048sp has 2 4-pin connectors.
@@davidfluty7213 I should have been more precise. The 5 pack of argb ones don't seem to be available anymore but the 5 pack all black ones are available. I remember watching a YT video where the guy put the part number for the 5 pack in his video. Maybe they discontinued the 5 pack argb. Newegg also stocks the singles at 21.95 and the non-rgb 5 pack for 69.69.
I should have been clearer (my fault) and say the 5 pack ARGB in 140mm, I tend to be brief when pecking on my phone but now I'm on my desktop. The singles are available on Newegg and Amazon (I'm not putting the dollar amount this time, maybe that's why the MACHINE blocks my comment??) and the 5 pack in non ARGB as well. I watched a video of a guy (need to check my view history) and he was reviewing the 5 pack P14 argb and even put the part number on the screen. The part number works on Arctic website but when you click the button to go to the store it takes you to their Amazon store but no 5 pack argb is there. You can get the 3 pack argb (for fifty USD) and 5 pack non-argb (for forty USD) though.
well because they are not daisy chainable is a NO for me , good fan spec but i don't know how to deal with cables based on my ITX build , so i prefer the lian li connectivity with just 1 or 2 cables to plug to MOBO , artic should kindly make a daisy good fan
30mm vs 25mm. And better materials, for sure. Want to see more manufacturers push for bigger fans as standard. Huge difference in performance for not a lot extra in width.
@@hinchlikescake7592 yeah especially the affordable and widely available ones lika Arctic, I can't find a T30 anywhere near me and it's expensive enough for me to have to pay like 20-30% import tax on top of its current $35/40 or so, which would push it closer to $50, an absurd price for a single fan.
i might have to change my two 360s to two 420s, I much prefer the pitch of these to the 120s and now theres a solid and inexpensive 140mm fan out there
-- Spec Confusion
As some of you pointed out, the specs stated at 00:50 are NOT the ones Arctic states on their website.
After a short panic attack - those are the specs written on the box.
I have reached out to Arctic to get more information on this matter, either the Website or every P14 Max packaging got the wrong numbers.
There will be an update as soon as we get an answer.
Update ---
There was indeed an error on the packaging of the first few batches.
The correct Stats are:
95CFM / 4.18mm/H2O
According to Arctic, this error has since been corrected. However, this also means that there are who-knows-how-many P14 Max fans floating around with the wrong Specs on the box.
@@STSYT Thanks for the update! Awesome that you follow up that kind of stuff. I saw some people complaining about whirring/buzzing sound. Similar to what some of the P12 Max's were struggling with. I didn't hear any in your video but, did you notice any weird noise in general?
@@vedomedo Nothing noticable from far. If pressed against my ear while spinning, you could hear some sort of breaking grinding noise, but that was only at close range. I hope that doesn't become louder, but if it will, I'll update again ^^
@STSYT CAN YOU DO A 140mm fan round up
I'm currently waiting for any TH-camr, i repeat ANY TH-camR to make a 140 mm fan round up. Even a 120mm, 200mm would be good too.
Hardware Scientist, Hardware Canucks, Hardware Busters and of course Steve have done those already. 🤷♂️
And Tech Buyers Guru done both 140 and 120 shootout a few years ago.
@@NTATchannelNickTaylor also Computer Tech & More, although the structure of his videos and the included graphs are kind of a mess
Computer Tech & More is very thorough
Man I miss Tech Buyers Guru :( he's the guy who got me into fans
Thanks for the review, glad that you liked the fan. I'll pass the word to the engineers.
Awesome to see an Arctic employee in the comments! I have a question for you. The fans themselves are markedet as having "Fluid Dynamic Bearing", but in specifically hwbusters' review he states the fans are "Rifle bearing and not FDB as advertised". I was going to order a pack of these but reading that made me a bit worried. If that review is false, I would advise you to contact them and let them know.
For the price, its unbeatable in value/perf. Would love to see x6 of these in push pull on the LFIII 420mm...
It’s expensive. They are charging for the shipping as well.
You could probably run a 9950X at max sustained all core boost without throttling
And yet another phenomenal review 👌as expected. 🙂
As someone who has been building gaming rigs for as long as I have
(27 years+), I love the attention to detail in your reviews and there is always a touch of humor in there.
"P14 ARGB that thing had to go a lot through in the years poor little guy" 🤣🤣
keep it up👍 I'm already looking forward to the next video.
greetings from Germany
Torsten
The Max series suffered from a bearing noise issue. Their bearing was changed in recent batches and now it's fine but there's still a chance that you'll get ones with old noisy bearings so either wait some time until those old batches disappear from the market or make sure you can return them if you get those.
That's the case for 120mm MAX fans, 140mm fans have FDB from the start
@@resko8758 Good to know, thanks.
Was not disappointed, can't wait to see these on the LFIII420
I imagine that if you combine 6 of these with a liquid freezer III 420, you might just get the best aio possible.
for the price I'd agree. There's less competition in that size of AIO as well. I have the LFII and see no reason to push/pull however. The LFIII has a higher speed pump which is its main advantage. An advantage it wouldn't need if Intel i9 wasn't pushing 300watts.
Thanks for the review! I’m putting these in as case fans and replacing the fans in the Liquid freezer 3 with these. Bought 2 five packs can’t beat the performance to price! Great tip about controller them with a custom fan curve.
But there is already p14 in the liquid freezer, why change it?
But the 5packs for p14 max are nowhere to be found in the US
Dude! You knew this was a thing and tried giving us a hint with the push/pull LFIII 420 monster you made haha
Now we just need the LF3 420 MAX, either by arctic or by you.
Probably not going to be swapping these in on the lf2 420, since im more limited by coldplate and pump than fans anyways.
Just ordered 6 of these to replace my Bionix on LF3 420. Already have 10x P12 Max in my case and they're a blast!
My Asuka case needed these bad. 1700rpm can't push air across the case. I got 7 of them "on sale" for $15. Thanks for the info on daisy chaining!
I love the P12 max for its double ball bearing. It's nice to know that I bought a fan - and it's actually eternal. Yes, if you're not lucky, it will be a little noisier, but as a rule it's a trifle, you still can't hear behind the airflow.
and the P14 max FDM has a bearing, i.e. it is a valve for a couple / several years (if you are lucky).
I miss thermalright TY-143, it cost a penny, it makes noise depending on the speed - not much, it's a pity that they are no longer produced.
Thanks for the great review!
didn't watch yet, but f***ing finally Arctic !
Watched it now, nice video and thanks for reviewing it so fast, was really waiting for it, and was not disappointed by the results, chart toping or atleast super close to the top Performance for super little money (in the value pack, it goes down to ~8,50 €). Arctic did deliver as expected. Now im only waiting for one 140mm fan the P30 140, cause the 120 is a beast, albeit for a hefty Premium compared to Arctic.
Nice Video as always, appreciated.
Corsair has 30mm thick fans now but they haven't been reviewed yet.
Nice.. got me a set (5box 2wks ago) and build it on the 420 LF-III in puch (not puch/pull) and used the originals (RGB) as front case fans (7000D) for a 14900k build with a soft control curve... it's a cyclone in a case.. lol.. thnx for your vid's
Thank you for explaining your bench test method ! 👍
So, arctic freezer III 420 with MAX fans is the next vid ? :)
5pack is 40euro . i bought 2 for exhaust based on gpu temp. the 420AIO does the rest of the exhaust and the rest of the fans are 9x140mm intake.
Great comparison. Thank you!
Thank you for this review.
do Liquid freezer III 420 with push pull of x6 p14 maxes
You just made me check whether my P12 max has ball bearings or not..
Edit: yeah it's the ball bearing one and it has no noise problem. So it's silent and gonna be longer lasting, yay i guess
The review we all been waiting for... *uzips pants*
alright buddy, what the flip
Swapping with the stock one on the Liquid Freezer seems like the best scenario
Not a cost effective one though
Is it worth replacing the P14's on my Liquid Freezer ii? Possibly not as my fans rarely hit 50% RPM, gaming load usually sees temps in the mid 50's°C but for those folks who live where it's hot, Arctic has got you!
Great Content and well done video!
Thank You!
is there any difference between the old p12 max and the new one in terms of performance? and how big is the sound difference between them?
OH YES I WAITED FOR THIS, KNEW IN MY BONES THEY HAVE TO RELEASE IT
I bought them when they released. 9eur/piece. They are good.
Also almost never using more than 50% speed.
Best price performance ratio. Probably best performance too..
Please. Pleaaaase take the toughfan 14 pro into the comparison
Sorry, but I have a question. The +15db stated, is it 15db louder or did you make the recording louder while editing?
Oh noes... I upgraded every fan from my PC to the arctic 120 and had some big temp gains, even using 2 as my dual tower cooler fans...
Now I instantly want 2 of these, before even watching the review, to put in the front of my S340 🤣
did you adjust fan curves? doesn't really make sense that you would get "big temp gains" unless you ran them a lot quieter than whatever you had before
@@Violet-ui I use them all at 80%, mega quiet and a lot of gains. My cooler had muck fans and my front ones had to run at 1200rpm or they would sound like a jet
I think it is always interesting to compare 120 to 140 at the same db level
lancool iii running stock fans plus two 140mm kazeflex rgb rounds on top as exaust, it's insane how slow you can run these big fans and still exaust monstrous amounts of air my curves top at 40% max.
LFIII420 fan replacement? or push and pull addition? please make a vid on these
I have their Liquid Freezer 420, and was bummed their P14's didn't come in a PMax. Now......ehehehhehehehehehe
It would be great if you could test the Phanteks D30-140mm
A small but important correction, you said "cool down the water [by] x degrees", when you should have said "cooled the loop [to] x degrees above ambient".
Because that's what your graph says it's measured, and a higher and lower placement/value have the opposite meaning.
This is the arctic p14 fan
When are you mounting this to the liquid freezer iii 420 so we can see the performance?
Really impressive and a bargain at this price if you need the performance. Would like to see how this performs on a big air cooler maxed out just for the luls.
Now they need a Freezer 36 140 variant...
That would be Freezer 42 😂
Now I have to decide between getting Silent Wings 4 140mm high speed or these Arctic P14Max... hmmmm.
Wow. I thought I was the only one in this dilemma.
@@MultiMustafa7 Don't get silent wings 4 high speed. They are very loud when mounted to the case. Get the Arctic ones instead. Or else get Silent wings non speed version
Can you do a review of the Thermalright TL-K12? those look awesome. They are also on the new Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO. And some of their 360mm aio's? I think they will be competitive against some other brands.
0:50 can i ask where did you get that specs? bcoz it says different specs in arctic website
New audio setup sounds rather echo-y. Is this a temp thing?
So tu summ it up, should i get p12 maxes or fluctuses for my radiator?
Will you be reviewing the new Corsair 30mm thick fans?
The P14 Max vs P14 ARGB comparison really didn't go as I expected it would for radiators. Not enough to have me replace my current P14 ARGBs but I'm definitely only buying these fans from now on.
I've got the P14 CO fans. Can recommend.
Are all Arctic P12 Max use dual bearing / non fluid bearing?
FDB. Iirc think they changed the in the later revisions due to complaints for noise. The origional had a low quality dual bearing(s) that was quite noticable, even with lower RPM's.
Thx for this update about these new fans, now I must think about wich one I would buy and use when I buy the be quite silent base 802. I´s that the TT Toughfan 14 Pro, or maybe even the P14 Max?!
I use use right now the TT Toughfan 12 Pro on my Pearless Assassin 120 SE and they do a damn good job at cooling with a very good job at noise level.
So the Arctic like always price and performance must be a damn good job against the TT 14 pro.
Got 5 of these in my case and 3 noctua 14 industrial for front intake....hopefully my pc dont decide to fly away
I Just can't get over the amount of money people are willing to waste on Noctua fans when there are options out there that cost a fraction and are 95% as good if not even better in some cases
There will always be stupid people out there
Yeap, it looks like the best upgrade for my LF3
How noisy are these in comparison Phanteks SK140?
I have this fans recently but damn it didn't spin to max of 2800 but only 2580 to 2600.
Do not mount the fans into your computer before testing the RPM. Instead, hold a single fan with your hand and connect the power cable of the fan into your motherboard while at the BIOs screen. Now, check the RPM.
Finally!
What is the best fan curve for this fan?
hi can u tell me what length of screws i need to mount them on a radiator, do they come with theirs screws for radiator mount ? asking since they are 27mm thick is 30mm enough or i need to get 35 mm screws ?
Can i use it in front of my pc to intake airflow ?
Do you pick P14 Max over phanteks m25-140?
yes, definitely
Ins't the Silverstone Sharkforce 140 The best 140mm fan ?
Depends on what you find 'best'. Super Flower Megacool's are crazy with their 120 and 140mm fans pushing 152 and 169 cfm max respectively. Loud though as they are performance fans. For lower speeds Lian Li's Unifan are up there and Bequiet's Silent Wings 4 are amoung to top ones. Basically the 28-30mm width fans rule the roost for noise to performance normalised.
I put the 3k RPM 80mm version of this on my RX580 when I redid the thermals. It won't break 67c 😂
How did you attach the fan to the heatsink?
@@plsbanhackers9031 I modified the frame with a dremel. Measured and tapped the 2mm screw holes and attached Ihem to the case. The 2048sp has 2 4-pin connectors.
Is the P - max line better than Bionix?
yes
argb and max are better than bionix or regular
hey why at 1:13 spec 7.85 mm/h20????
arctic has stopped shipping its great products to india , dont know why they doing this ?? we need this fan here
The argb version has been unobtainable here lately in the US.
Hmmm $21 on Amazon right now. P14 ARGB
@@davidfluty7213 I should have been more precise. The 5 pack of argb ones don't seem to be available anymore but the 5 pack all black ones are available. I remember watching a YT video where the guy put the part number for the 5 pack in his video. Maybe they discontinued the 5 pack argb. Newegg also stocks the singles at 21.95 and the non-rgb 5 pack for 69.69.
@@davidfluty7213 I don't know why my comment keeps disappearing but maybe third times a charm.
I should have been clearer (my fault) and say the 5 pack ARGB in 140mm, I tend to be brief when pecking on my phone but now I'm on my desktop. The singles are available on Newegg and Amazon (I'm not putting the dollar amount this time, maybe that's why the MACHINE blocks my comment??) and the 5 pack in non ARGB as well.
I watched a video of a guy (need to check my view history) and he was reviewing the 5 pack P14 argb and even put the part number on the screen. The part number works on Arctic website but when you click the button to go to the store it takes you to their Amazon store but no 5 pack argb is there. You can get the 3 pack argb (for fifty USD) and 5 pack non-argb (for forty USD) though.
10:38 Noctua PPC jumpscare
Finally
well because they are not daisy chainable is a NO for me , good fan spec but i don't know how to deal with cables based on my ITX build , so i prefer the lian li connectivity with just 1 or 2 cables to plug to MOBO , artic should kindly make a daisy good fan
Phanteks T30 > P12 Max if anyone cares.
I mean ofc it is
30mm vs 25mm. And better materials, for sure. Want to see more manufacturers push for bigger fans as standard. Huge difference in performance for not a lot extra in width.
@@hinchlikescake7592 yeah especially the affordable and widely available ones lika Arctic, I can't find a T30 anywhere near me and it's expensive enough for me to have to pay like 20-30% import tax on top of its current $35/40 or so, which would push it closer to $50, an absurd price for a single fan.
nice, time to replace my p14
Now make the REAL Liquid Freezer II (or III) 420 max!!!
Pst version please
None of these are actually fdb
i might have to change my two 360s to two 420s, I much prefer the pitch of these to the 120s and now theres a solid and inexpensive 140mm fan out there
Day 4 of asking for a review of Corsair's questionable "maglev" fans 🚄🪭
They are bad, everybody knows
They're also so old, I don't think he'll make a review