Now that people have started to receive these fans, some P12 Max's seem to have a distinctive "rasp" within certain RPM ranges. At this point we have 3x P12 Max samples, 2x from Arctic directly and 1x retail all of which have been running non-stop for the last two weeks. While NONE thus far have the irregular acoustic output some people posted about, I've ordered another 6 (sadly on backorder) to see if we can recreate the issue. This might come down to a bad batch or something else entirely. Arctic is also investigating on their end. But if you DO have a P12 Max with this problem, please reply to this post since I'd love to get my hands on a few problem fans. - Mike
Hi, I have problem with my 3 out of 5 fans. They produce annoying bearing noise but only when they start spinning or when about to stop, otherwise they ok...
Bought one - Along side a few P14 PWM PST - got it today, It has the crackling sound. Also it seems to me, that even with PWM curves starting at 0% from 40°C and 20% at 60°C, for temps at about 45°C, the RPM rises up to 800-1200 RPM all while sounding like miniature drill. Now i usually don't want my exhaust fan to be completly off, but i did it for the sake of testing it a bit. I already filled out a return, but now i'm wondering if i should just try to get another P12 MAX and hope for the best or choose another option.
I've bought 4 of them and all 4 have high-pitched "scratching" noise that can definetely be heard on one of the reviews, but on much lower scale than on my copies. Switching back to stock NR200P fans for now, not gonna touch another Arctic product for a while
I purchased five of these fans a few days ago. Unfortunately, they keep ramping up and down uncontrollably in PWM mode. The RPMs randomly jump from 600-800 to 1200-1400, accompanied by a grinding noise. Initially, I thought it might be a BIOS or software issue. However, after trying every possible fan curve and settings combination in both the BIOS and fan control software, I concluded that the fans are defective. To confirm this, I reinstalled my old Cryorig PWM fan, and it worked perfectly without any issues. I also experimented with running the new fans in DC mode with a constant speed, and there were no problems. However, the lowest speed they can run in DC mode is around 1200 RPM, which is a bit too high for my setup. I must mention that even at 1200 RPM, they sound very quiet, almost inaudible. It's unfortunate that these fans, despite their amazing potential and fantastic value, are plagued by quality control problems. Latest update: After contacting Arctic about the issue, they sent me three more fans, these fans had supposedly been checked by their QC team. They turned out to be even worse than the ones I had previously, with more clicking and hissing noises. I asked them for a refund but never received it. I tried contacting them three times and still didn't have my refund. I advise staying clear of these fans and possibly avoiding the company altogether.
im sure thats coming soon. I use all Arctic p14's 140mm case fans which have an identical fan design and come with ARGB connectors. I'm wondering what they changed to get more static pressure out of these p12's since this blade type already provides a ton of airflow at lower rpm's. definitely recommend these!
I just bought the older Arctic P12 PWM and I'm not used to this level of quietness 😁 But they still suck a bit on the airflow, all my old ones were noisy but were all around 100 cfm while the arctic is close to half. I really miss is my old Aerocool Shark Fan from 2011 in transparent black and red, they were the coolest I ever had and are close to 100cfm, perfect for my very wide open airy case which don't need pressure but rather airflow at least for a rear fan, the top ones the arctic probably do a much better job since it has small anti-dust mesh... Anyway it was like 1/3rd of the price of the Shark Fan but I also have a nice cooler master which was around the same price as the arctic P12, one of the good old sickle fans in transparent black which are much better than their newer stuff and it also had a damn nice big airflow though are jumbo jet loud at max rpm 😁 (still have all of them working and 1 in use for all this time, I oiled the bearings only though the blue leds burned many years ago which is even better LOL).
me too, the only fans that are not from arctic in my pc are one from my case on passive rear top exhaust and one of two on scythe fuma 2 (big one, moved to the front, replaced middle with gray f120, got a couple degrees and better looks)
After discussing things with Arctic, they've decided to TEMPORARILY lower P12 MAX price to....*$9.00* as an introductory offer! You can buy it here (affiliate link) - geni.us/P12MAX
@@NickGreenDC Try looking for stores in your country, that link redirects me to UK Amazon and it's almost 17 GBP while I can get it for around 10 euro here in Norway.
This is a very good review, that breaks down technical aspects of fan technology into layperson's terms. The better seal between blade and housing is the big winner here IMO. That price point is a huge win and hopefully they can be profitable enough to put funds into further development. That is ridiculously good performance for a five-blade fan. If their next iteration is seven blades while keeping their prices low, they'll put a real stranglehold on the market.
@@AndyU96 Simply put, if all things are the same (blade design, hub size, chord length), an increase in the number of blades should increase the static pressure of a fan (within a diminishing limit). Look up 'solidity ratio' if you want to know more. The not-so-simple answer is solidity ratio involves other physical design aspects of the fan so it's no magic bullet. Blade shape can be optimised to achieve pressure gains, but increasing the solidity ratio through increasing the number of blades is likely the easier win.
9:57 normally I just overlook the data and get into the conclusion, but this is one of the most useful and easy to understand graphs I've seen. Great video.
Great review, and great fans indeed! P12 was already my favourite as being a budget fan that performs extremely good and comes in different variety to suit anyone needs (nonRGB, RGB, transparent, black/white). P12 Max looks like a no brainer. I would order right away, but I dont even have a room for extra fan right now :D
Agreed. I have added a number of P12 PWM PST fans to my rig and they've made a huge difference over the old Chinese fans that came with my AIO. That said, even though I still have three of the P12 PWM PST fans I'm not using I would be tempted to replace the fans I have with these new P12 Max fans. That stats are just that much better and at a great price. (Especially if we can get them at that $9 introductory price.)
I was always impressed by Arctic P12's (non-MAX) price/performance/noise. Many raved about Noctua's NF-A12x25. And while it is a good case fan, it has a humming noise that the A12 does not have at RPMs above 1000. I often read of people complaining about the P12's noise being too loud and louder than the A12, which is untrue from my experience. I have sensitive hearing and high sensory. I can hear high pitch, whiny noises that some people cannot. Thanks to your review, I purchased the P12 Max just now.
Hey, did they arrive already? Wanted to ask what your thoughts are about them, are you having issues with weird "scratching" noises or something like that for example?
wow, i'm impressed. after seeing all the fans being priced around $30, it's refreshing to see these fans giving us actually good performance for such a low price.
the best thing about that P12 Max after i checked its specs is probably the fact that it still has standard 25mm thickness, no thicker 28 or 30mm frames. Hope they make P14 Max soon.
I'd love to see these with PST and in a five-pack. One of the things I really like about Arctic is any time I need a couple fans I can just buy a five-pack and not worry about needing fans for quite a while. Been buying their fans for years, always great performers.
I'm guessing the reason that such an option does not exist is the power draw. The original P12 and the PST variants draw 0.1 amps at full load, which is why you could comfortably stick five or more of them on one header. The P12 Max, according to Arctic's site, draws about 0.3 at full load, which means you can only put 3 or so on a header before you exceed what a typical board header is rated for. You can absolutely still use hubs that take external power, though. And a 3- or 5-pack would still be very welcome.
true, though it does push the range of ITX potential depending on if you only have access to 1 header and how many amps 4-pin fan header adapter does on an itx board...and how many fans it can feed. 5pack for life used the extras to fill up my friends build bc everyone could use a few extra fans/exhaust fans.
At 11:10, you show the Deepcool LS320 AIO, which comes with an FC120 fan. The FC120 is another underrated fan that I hope you could show in a benchmark to compare with the others! Love this series, I build SFFs and this 120mm fan series has been super helpful for squeezing out that extra bit of cooling!
I got the 5-pack Arctic P14 PWM fans (140mm) and am quite satisfied with them. After a year one fan got very loud, had to change that one. Otherwise perfect product for no money. (5€ per fan 😂) Could've instead gotten ONE Noctua fan for those 25€ lmao. 10/10 will buy Arctic fans again.
I bought three of them, and also had one of them develop a rattle after about a year. Other than that defective one, I've been happy with the performance and noise profile
One deciding factor for my purchase of P12 fan was price and 6 year warranty for 10 bucks - cant beat that. My entire cooling system in the pc is by Arctic. Their tower cooler aswell as all case fans. I removed zalman fans from the case the second i opened it and replaced them with arctic's - no regrets. And since I am in Europe, they are readily available.
Artic are one of the few remaining companies in the pc space that I can say nothing but good things about. They offer great products/prices and support. If the other companies in this space were the same.. I know i'd be a lot happier spending my money with them.
You are so right, there isnt any other company willing to sell top quality products at such a low price. The fact that these stand toe to toe with Noctua and Be quiet, while being 3/4 times cheaper is crazy to me.
Amazing value considering that a single Slient Wings 4 pro cost the same as a 3-pack of P12 Max! That 1-2C difference is meaningless if that means I can get 2 more fans that will drop temps by way more than that.
It depends on your budget. Personally i hate these cheap ball bearing Arctic fans. I cant stand the fan motor’s sound. The sound of the Silent Wings 4s is much better added to the small cooling benefit. For a guy on a budget while also not caring about sound or endurance or looks it is indeed the best fan, it will do the job just fine.
@@kerotomas1 considering i have 10 of their 120mm fans in my computer less than 3' from me. I cant hear them at all... probably just got a bad batch or something...
This channel suddenly became my favourite PC fan benchmark and review channel!! Super useful information about major competitors. Valid testing method and metrics. It's just amazing XD
I've started replacing my Corsair AF120's with the regular P12's, so far I love them. Simple, performant, cheap. I still need a few more and want to swap out fans on my air cooler, will def give these a try.
Just upgraded from EK Vardar 140mm too p14 max on all 12 of my case fans. Im extremely happy thus far. Noise is about the same even with 30% more fan speed. And its lowered my water temp by 6-7 degrees. Gaming with an overclocked 7900xtx with 28* water. Yes please.
Word of warning; if you link 2 of these to one header on a Corsair Commander Pro, the spike in amps pulled to start them gradually kills the fan header. Wasn't 100% sure at first, but after they killed a second header, I'd say its pretty much confirmed.
Arctic fans are awesome in general. I have a Freezer Duo and while it's not the quietest it isn't obnoxious and punches above its price, and recently bought a couple of P8 for a build on a 20yo case and it's amazing how quiet they are, sometimes I doubt they're even running until I put my hand in front of the intake.
Great job getting the word out on this fan. I used your link to buy 6 of them which I will migrate to different systems in the future. I've long been a proponent of the Gentle Typhoon, but this fan may become my new all-time favorite. Love your content the best on Hardware Canucks. 👍
@Hardware Canucks Did some testing of my own this past week on air-cooled systems built in the P400A, O11 Dynamic, Meshify C, RL06 and the Air 540. Fans were EK Vardar, Nidec Gentle Typhoon and Arctic P12 Max. Air cooler was a Thermalright Peerless Assassin. All fans were 120mm. CPUs were an i5-6600K at 5 GHz, a 3600X stock and a 5600X at 4.6. Temps were very similar no matter the case used. All CPUs idled in the low 30s, gamed in the low to mid 40s and stressed in the high 60s to mid 70s. Temps differed only 1-3 C on average depending on the fans used, but - and it was repeatable - any combination of the Nidecs and Arctics outperformed any combination of the Vardars. I've settled on the Arctics as case fans with the Nidecs on the cooler for the "best" temps on my current system. Testing was both fun and a pita at the same time lol. In future I will leave the testing to you and just trust your word!
When I see your review past month I really like this P12 Max. When I bought it 1 out of 3 make clacking sound & more noticeable when slower spin. Then I bought it again just 1, maybe I though it was defective. after couple hours running the new fan make same clacking noise again. From my observation it always happen at middle if you do 3 120mm front intake. Hope you can test my observation or it just me get bad fan twice. Right now waiting to replace with XPG Vento Pro.
I used the P12 PWM when I built my parents' budget PC and was impressed for how cheap a decent pwm fan was. Immediately ordered 2 after watching this video. I bought a cpu cooler on a reccomendation from you guys but the fan is a bit noisy. Getting swapped out, can't wait to have a silent PC again.
Many, many people are reporting the p12 max to have even more severe motor noise than the original, and that's a massive concern given how horrible the motor noise on the p12 and p14 is. I was considering buying these since it looks like an update from the outside, but I'll stay with the p14 and kaze flex.
I love Arctic Fans. They just work. All cases I've built in have used 10+ fans and they've all been Arctic. I can't wait for the P14 Max fans, those will probably be the best on the market if released.
Bought these for $8.99 today from Amazon. The catch... They won't deliver until June. I just wanted to replace them on the Peerless Assassin just for kicks. Thanks for all this fantastic fan content. You're the fan man!
Just built a new rig, but in my old case I had the OG Arctic F12s. Those bad-boys ran for like 7 years straight and one is still going. The bearing is just now starting to click.
Arctic always made great products. About 100 years ago (uhm) when I bought an OEM PC with a Core2Duo in it - I was amazed how silent it was compared to the system that I had before. Arctic. When building DIY PCs, sometimes I went Arctic, sometimes I used the same brand as the case already had, sometimes I tried different brands. I liked the LC Power LC-CF-120-Pro, for example. Now I'm with be quiet. But that's only because the case had Pure Wings 2 in it, I like the aesthetics - and the Pure Wings aren't too expensive. Can't spin that fast, but for case fans, that's okay. Anyway - the new Arctics were on my "list". Only decided against them, because I had enough bq there already. Nice review. Planning to build a small Office-and-Emergency System - Think that box is going to be cooled by Arctic, again.
I wish fan reviews mentioned the harmonics and rattling noises fans do at low rpm. As someone who usually keeps the fans in the 600-1000 RPM for 140mm I really care about motor noises and rattles at those RPM. The 3000RPM values mean nothing to people that want quiet reliable fans. I've had a few fans and they've all had the typical dyal ball bearing rattle at low RPM including some older Arctic A14 PWM. Would love to see this included. An audio clip at low RPM would also be useful.
Just got this fan the other day. My temperatures on my LFII 120mm AIO are phenomenal! Love this fan. Fairly quiet (With my fan curve). Inexpensive. Will definitely be using more of these in the future. Way to go Arctic!
I've personally never had problems with the humming thing some ppl had, but apparently it's fixed/a lot better with this version. Arctic doing good stuff.
Great review! Thank you. Please do such fans review for 140mm, really interesting to see such comparison to have all best fans and sizes reviews on your channel!
I've been a fan of Arctic's DBB fans for a very long time, I'm still using all the stone grey F12 and F14 PWM PST Co fans I bought back in 2017, and I'm glad to see that they have more DBB based fans hitting the market. Extremely quiet, decent airflow, and considering that I've got roughly four and a half years, give or take, of 24/7 runtime out of these fans, with nothing to show for it beyond some dust, they're extremely reliable.
I just checked and these are 8,90 EUR on caseking right now. That's crazy cheap for what you get. Hopefully the motor doesn't have the annoying humming noise the normal P12 has.
Love your methodology. No one does fan reviews better. I've noticed that you always look at 120mm fans though. I've also noticed that 140mm fans always have lower static pressure. I find myself wondering what happens when you move to 140mm. Any plans on doing a roundup with the best 140mm fans? As a bonus, it would be interesting to see what performs better. 120mm base radiators (like 360mm 3 fan) with higher static pressure 120mm fans or 140mm base radiators (like 420mm 3-fan) having greater surface area, but all supported fans have lower static pressure. Would be interesting to see.
I saw the title and thumbnail and had to like the vid before watching haha. From the thumbnail I knew it was closer to the Bionix fans Arctic used on some of their coolers like the eSports 34 and its good that they were able to make it even better. The P12 Max looks pretty great considering its closing in on the Phanteks T30, Noctua PPC, and Silent Wings 4 fans that are more expensive. At this point I have 6 P12 PWM fans and they work well and I'll welcome getting more P12s or even some P12 Max fans. Though right now the P12 Max isn't available yet in my region.
Great video and I'm a super excited about the fans. I've been running p12s on my custom loop for ages and they're awesome, though I was looking for something a little more powerful as I just upgraded both GPU and CPU. Was going to go to noctua, but pretty expensive for three 25 mm and two 15 mm fans. I think I'll be doing the p12 maxes instead!
I just built a new computer last week, and for the CPU cooler, I went with the artic liquid freezer II 360. on the 13600k. and oh boy is that cooler value for money even when I'm gaming my CPU stays below 50c . and the fans don't even spin above 30% I then went ahead and bought a Value pack of 5 of the Artic P12 Max to put in my case as they are perfect for my Stealth build! Artic is doing something freaking amazing and they are priced very competitive! almost feel like these fans should cost a little more!
Another great video, Mike. Ironically, I just rewatched your video on the "high-end" fan comparison last night. I almost pulled the trigger on a 3 pack of the Phanteks T30 fans for just under $90 USD on Amazon. The new P12 Max blade design is very similar to the Noiseblocker e-Loop fans with the outer ring that's fused to the fan blades. I love my e-Loop fans, but Arctic putting these new fans on the market may make me change them out permenantly. I have tried a lot of fans, with Arctic fans, especially the Bionix line, being one of my favorites and being the best value on the market, but I've always gone back to the e-Loops. EK, Corsair, Cooler Master, be quiet!, and other popular names have all fallen to the wayside. I will definitely be trying out some of the new P12 Max fans soon. Even if it's in a friend's or client's build. What I really hope Arctic does is change the Bionix fans to this type of blade design. I just love the added flare of the colors and style of the Bionix fans.
Excellent review as usual. Arctic, excellent product, as usual. Really hope Arctic to keep it up with tjis amazing work without ripping off our pockets and hope to keep watching those amazing reviews from you guys. Take care!
I had 11 Arctic fans with a mix of P12 and P14 over a year of usage some of them have developed an annoying audible motor noise which has prompted me to switch to a T30 & NFA25 combo. Worth the 4x cost!
I've ran arctic p12 fans for almost 4 years now they're great 2 of the fans had a issue with the motors Wich was noticeable with the early units and they replaced them no questions asked, this kind of safety with their products made me a loyal customer of theirs for all of my systems
Bought them straight after watching this video, put them on my ASUS AIO, and damn the noise level is noticably and the cooling since it moves more air and can go even faster at a lower DB. i only have theese 2 fans in my IXt build and they are def. enough.
Arctic is pretty much the only company making high quality fans/aio's without using inflation to justify gouging right now. It's like they are the only company that realizes that you can buy 5 cheap off brand fans for about 35-50 bucks on amazon and for most people, that's good enough. Nice to see at least one company that realizes the larger market and actually wants to provide a quality alternative at a competitive price. BTW to all those other fan makers. Even if I had infinite money, I will never be paying 50 dollars (I live in Canada) for a single fan. Get bent.
I got one for my DeepCool heatsink who's fan only went up to 1600 RPM but performed pretty well. Very satisfied with the new P12 MAX. I set it to spin down to zero at temps my PC idles at (amazing!) and it spins up to about 2400 RPM at full CPU load on my CPU cooler. Temps are down a few degrees and the fan noise is imperceptible with the rest of my fans running.
I am such a fan of Arctic P12 that I have bought 6 extra that never get used lol Time to give those to my friends who graduated from console gaming recently and replace mine with these brand new ones to be sitting on my shelf and be appreciated for their beauty.
i use p12´s since many years in all my pcs, always a quiet and good cooling . here in germany you can get them sometimes for 6€ per piece . next build i´ll try the new max
Ooooh I love Arctic, they keep on making products that are amazing value, and this time they just completely destroyed the competition in the high end market, amazing!
There is no performance reason to install anything but P12Max fans now! RGB looks wise, Lian-Li infi ity fans can't be beat. I hope you add those to your excellent fan reviews in the near future.
if it can "run faster without getting louder" the same works in reverse as an indictment on the P12 standard: the P12 runs slower, pushes 10CFM less air, and isnt any quieter than the Max
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Now that people have started to receive these fans, some P12 Max's seem to have a distinctive "rasp" within certain RPM ranges. At this point we have 3x P12 Max samples, 2x from Arctic directly and 1x retail all of which have been running non-stop for the last two weeks. While NONE thus far have the irregular acoustic output some people posted about, I've ordered another 6 (sadly on backorder) to see if we can recreate the issue. This might come down to a bad batch or something else entirely. Arctic is also investigating on their end. But if you DO have a P12 Max with this problem, please reply to this post since I'd love to get my hands on a few problem fans. - Mike
Hi, I have problem with my 3 out of 5 fans. They produce annoying bearing noise but only when they start spinning or when about to stop, otherwise they ok...
Bought one - Along side a few P14 PWM PST - got it today, It has the crackling sound. Also it seems to me, that even with PWM curves starting at 0% from 40°C and 20% at 60°C, for temps at about 45°C, the RPM rises up to 800-1200 RPM all while sounding like miniature drill.
Now i usually don't want my exhaust fan to be completly off, but i did it for the sake of testing it a bit. I already filled out a return, but now i'm wondering if i should just try to get another P12 MAX and hope for the best or choose another option.
The ball bearings in all of them suck a little when spinning up from a stop or at super low RPMs. Up around 600 they're absolutely fine for me.
I've bought 4 of them and all 4 have high-pitched "scratching" noise that can definetely be heard on one of the reviews, but on much lower scale than on my copies. Switching back to stock NR200P fans for now, not gonna touch another Arctic product for a while
I purchased five of these fans a few days ago. Unfortunately, they keep ramping up and down uncontrollably in PWM mode. The RPMs randomly jump from 600-800 to 1200-1400, accompanied by a grinding noise. Initially, I thought it might be a BIOS or software issue. However, after trying every possible fan curve and settings combination in both the BIOS and fan control software, I concluded that the fans are defective.
To confirm this, I reinstalled my old Cryorig PWM fan, and it worked perfectly without any issues. I also experimented with running the new fans in DC mode with a constant speed, and there were no problems. However, the lowest speed they can run in DC mode is around 1200 RPM, which is a bit too high for my setup. I must mention that even at 1200 RPM, they sound very quiet, almost inaudible.
It's unfortunate that these fans, despite their amazing potential and fantastic value, are plagued by quality control problems.
Latest update:
After contacting Arctic about the issue, they sent me three more fans, these fans had supposedly been checked by their QC team. They turned out to be even worse than the ones I had previously, with more clicking and hissing noises. I asked them for a refund but never received it. I tried contacting them three times and still didn't have my refund. I advise staying clear of these fans and possibly avoiding the company altogether.
Highly appreciate your thoughts!
Great video - as always
Big fan of Arctic, amazing products and an even better customer support
I know I'm going to sound like one of those picky customers, but will this be released in all white?
Where are they available to buy? The P12 Max page on your website redirects to the normal P12.
I love Arctic, the Fans and Liquid Freezer particularly ! Any chance we see a P14 Max variant ?
Got to love Arctic. Amazing AIOs and fans! Hoping for a 140mm version of this too.
im sure thats coming soon. I use all Arctic p14's 140mm case fans which have an identical fan design and come with ARGB connectors. I'm wondering what they changed to get more static pressure out of these p12's since this blade type already provides a ton of airflow at lower rpm's. definitely recommend these!
@@musek5048 Both my PCs have only Arctic's fans in them 👍
I just bought the older Arctic P12 PWM and I'm not used to this level of quietness 😁
But they still suck a bit on the airflow, all my old ones were noisy but were all around 100 cfm while the arctic is close to half.
I really miss is my old Aerocool Shark Fan from 2011 in transparent black and red, they were the coolest I ever had and are close to 100cfm, perfect for my very wide open airy case which don't need pressure but rather airflow at least for a rear fan, the top ones the arctic probably do a much better job since it has small anti-dust mesh...
Anyway it was like 1/3rd of the price of the Shark Fan but I also have a nice cooler master which was around the same price as the arctic P12, one of the good old sickle fans in transparent black which are much better than their newer stuff and it also had a damn nice big airflow though are jumbo jet loud at max rpm 😁 (still have all of them working and 1 in use for all this time, I oiled the bearings only though the blue leds burned many years ago which is even better LOL).
I had P14 and upgraded to P14 RGB like a year ago. Seems to have the same design and have a lot higher RPM
Still no P14 max tho which is sad!
I've been a happy Arctic customer ever since they came onto my radar back in 2017. I must own something like a dozen of their fans at this point.
me too, the only fans that are not from arctic in my pc are one from my case on passive rear top exhaust and one of two on scythe fuma 2 (big one, moved to the front, replaced middle with gray f120, got a couple degrees and better looks)
You won $1 zillion
Arctic came across my radar in the late 00's when they started making universal coolers for gpus. Been a FAN of them ever since.
i used to buy enermax, but arctic now prob the cheapest pwm amongst others
think the most silent still held by bequiet, or coolermaster
After discussing things with Arctic, they've decided to TEMPORARILY lower P12 MAX price to....*$9.00* as an introductory offer! You can buy it here (affiliate link) - geni.us/P12MAX
Should be the - DA BEST - value award instead of - DAM GOOD - then...
Look forward to them being OOS in a jiffy !!
arctic really outdid themselves here with the vfm
Big fan of Arctic, great products at a great price!
I followed the link - $35.67 CDN plus $4.99 shipping... :(
@@NickGreenDC Try looking for stores in your country, that link redirects me to UK Amazon and it's almost 17 GBP while I can get it for around 10 euro here in Norway.
This is a very good review, that breaks down technical aspects of fan technology into layperson's terms. The better seal between blade and housing is the big winner here IMO.
That price point is a huge win and hopefully they can be profitable enough to put funds into further development. That is ridiculously good performance for a five-blade fan. If their next iteration is seven blades while keeping their prices low, they'll put a real stranglehold on the market.
Thanks!
What makes you so sure that a 7 blade theoretically perfect design would necessarily outperform a 5 blade theoretical best?
@@AndyU96 Simply put, if all things are the same (blade design, hub size, chord length), an increase in the number of blades should increase the static pressure of a fan (within a diminishing limit). Look up 'solidity ratio' if you want to know more. The not-so-simple answer is solidity ratio involves other physical design aspects of the fan so it's no magic bullet.
Blade shape can be optimised to achieve pressure gains, but increasing the solidity ratio through increasing the number of blades is likely the easier win.
9:57 normally I just overlook the data and get into the conclusion, but this is one of the most useful and easy to understand graphs I've seen. Great video.
Thanks! Much appreciated!
Your fan and aircooler reviews are amazing, especially your focus on budget fans
that rival high end fans, keep up the great work loving it
Great review, and great fans indeed!
P12 was already my favourite as being a budget fan that performs extremely good and comes in different variety to suit anyone needs (nonRGB, RGB, transparent, black/white). P12 Max looks like a no brainer. I would order right away, but I dont even have a room for extra fan right now :D
Agreed. I have added a number of P12 PWM PST fans to my rig and they've made a huge difference over the old Chinese fans that came with my AIO. That said, even though I still have three of the P12 PWM PST fans I'm not using I would be tempted to replace the fans I have with these new P12 Max fans. That stats are just that much better and at a great price. (Especially if we can get them at that $9 introductory price.)
I was always impressed by Arctic P12's (non-MAX) price/performance/noise. Many raved about Noctua's NF-A12x25. And while it is a good case fan, it has a humming noise that the A12 does not have at RPMs above 1000. I often read of people complaining about the P12's noise being too loud and louder than the A12, which is untrue from my experience. I have sensitive hearing and high sensory. I can hear high pitch, whiny noises that some people cannot. Thanks to your review, I purchased the P12 Max just now.
Hey, did they arrive already? Wanted to ask what your thoughts are about them, are you having issues with weird "scratching" noises or something like that for example?
wow, i'm impressed. after seeing all the fans being priced around $30, it's refreshing to see these fans giving us actually good performance for such a low price.
the best thing about that P12 Max after i checked its specs is probably the fact that it still has standard 25mm thickness, no thicker 28 or 30mm frames. Hope they make P14 Max soon.
@Donuts the Uni fans have one of the most tasteful looking RGB and one of the best daisy chain method out there tho
P14 Max is in the pipe... ;)
@@VincentAndre_HK But when...?
Exactly, where is it, don't take a year to finally release the 180mm version btw Arctic
Your wish has finally been granted.
I'd love to see these with PST and in a five-pack. One of the things I really like about Arctic is any time I need a couple fans I can just buy a five-pack and not worry about needing fans for quite a while. Been buying their fans for years, always great performers.
The 5 pack is the goat
I'm guessing the reason that such an option does not exist is the power draw. The original P12 and the PST variants draw 0.1 amps at full load, which is why you could comfortably stick five or more of them on one header. The P12 Max, according to Arctic's site, draws about 0.3 at full load, which means you can only put 3 or so on a header before you exceed what a typical board header is rated for.
You can absolutely still use hubs that take external power, though. And a 3- or 5-pack would still be very welcome.
true, though it does push the range of ITX potential depending on if you only have access to 1 header and how many amps 4-pin fan header adapter does on an itx board...and how many fans it can feed. 5pack for life used the extras to fill up my friends build bc everyone could use a few extra fans/exhaust fans.
At 11:10, you show the Deepcool LS320 AIO, which comes with an FC120 fan. The FC120 is another underrated fan that I hope you could show in a benchmark to compare with the others!
Love this series, I build SFFs and this 120mm fan series has been super helpful for squeezing out that extra bit of cooling!
I got the 5-pack Arctic P14 PWM fans (140mm) and am quite satisfied with them. After a year one fan got very loud, had to change that one. Otherwise perfect product for no money. (5€ per fan 😂) Could've instead gotten ONE Noctua fan for those 25€ lmao. 10/10 will buy Arctic fans again.
i used the same pack for my moms vr rig and realied she had better cooling than my expensive ek fans(at the time)
I bought three of them, and also had one of them develop a rattle after about a year. Other than that defective one, I've been happy with the performance and noise profile
Just because he was loud, you discarded him. :(
@@kiavaxxaskew Well not thrown away, just replaced with an unused one. ;)
@@Hotrob_Jsee, the reason why you buy more expensive fans is because higher quality fans will never have that problem.
One deciding factor for my purchase of P12 fan was price and 6 year warranty for 10 bucks - cant beat that. My entire cooling system in the pc is by Arctic. Their tower cooler aswell as all case fans. I removed zalman fans from the case the second i opened it and replaced them with arctic's - no regrets.
And since I am in Europe, they are readily available.
Six year warranty is a huge comittment for a company.
Artic are one of the few remaining companies in the pc space that I can say nothing but good things about. They offer great products/prices and support. If the other companies in this space were the same.. I know i'd be a lot happier spending my money with them.
You are so right, there isnt any other company willing to sell top quality products at such a low price. The fact that these stand toe to toe with Noctua and Be quiet, while being 3/4 times cheaper is crazy to me.
Amazing value considering that a single Slient Wings 4 pro cost the same as a 3-pack of P12 Max! That 1-2C difference is meaningless if that means I can get 2 more fans that will drop temps by way more than that.
It depends on your budget. Personally i hate these cheap ball bearing Arctic fans. I cant stand the fan motor’s sound. The sound of the Silent Wings 4s is much better added to the small cooling benefit.
For a guy on a budget while also not caring about sound or endurance or looks it is indeed the best fan, it will do the job just fine.
@@kerotomas1 from my experience, I can never hear the motor.
@@kerotomas1 considering i have 10 of their 120mm fans in my computer less than 3' from me. I cant hear them at all... probably just got a bad batch or something...
This channel suddenly became my favourite PC fan benchmark and review channel!! Super useful information about major competitors. Valid testing method and metrics. It's just amazing XD
I've started replacing my Corsair AF120's with the regular P12's, so far I love them. Simple, performant, cheap. I still need a few more and want to swap out fans on my air cooler, will def give these a try.
Just upgraded from EK Vardar 140mm too p14 max on all 12 of my case fans. Im extremely happy thus far. Noise is about the same even with 30% more fan speed. And its lowered my water temp by 6-7 degrees. Gaming with an overclocked 7900xtx with 28* water. Yes please.
Word of warning; if you link 2 of these to one header on a Corsair Commander Pro, the spike in amps pulled to start them gradually kills the fan header. Wasn't 100% sure at first, but after they killed a second header, I'd say its pretty much confirmed.
Arctic fans are awesome in general. I have a Freezer Duo and while it's not the quietest it isn't obnoxious and punches above its price, and recently bought a couple of P8 for a build on a 20yo case and it's amazing how quiet they are, sometimes I doubt they're even running until I put my hand in front of the intake.
Great job getting the word out on this fan. I used your link to buy 6 of them which I will migrate to different systems in the future. I've long been a proponent of the Gentle Typhoon, but this fan may become my new all-time favorite. Love your content the best on Hardware Canucks. 👍
Cool! Gentle Typhoon still beats this in some scenarios though and the Nidec Servo motor is one of the best ever produced
@Hardware Canucks Did some testing of my own this past week on air-cooled systems built in the P400A, O11 Dynamic, Meshify C, RL06 and the Air 540. Fans were EK Vardar, Nidec Gentle Typhoon and Arctic P12 Max. Air cooler was a Thermalright Peerless Assassin. All fans were 120mm. CPUs were an i5-6600K at 5 GHz, a 3600X stock and a 5600X at 4.6.
Temps were very similar no matter the case used. All CPUs idled in the low 30s, gamed in the low to mid 40s and stressed in the high 60s to mid 70s. Temps differed only 1-3 C on average depending on the fans used, but - and it was repeatable - any combination of the Nidecs and Arctics outperformed any combination of the Vardars.
I've settled on the Arctics as case fans with the Nidecs on the cooler for the "best" temps on my current system. Testing was both fun and a pita at the same time lol. In future I will leave the testing to you and just trust your word!
When I see your review past month I really like this P12 Max. When I bought it 1 out of 3 make clacking sound & more noticeable when slower spin. Then I bought it again just 1, maybe I though it was defective. after couple hours running the new fan make same clacking noise again. From my observation it always happen at middle if you do 3 120mm front intake. Hope you can test my observation or it just me get bad fan twice. Right now waiting to replace with XPG Vento Pro.
I used the P12 PWM when I built my parents' budget PC and was impressed for how cheap a decent pwm fan was. Immediately ordered 2 after watching this video. I bought a cpu cooler on a reccomendation from you guys but the fan is a bit noisy. Getting swapped out, can't wait to have a silent PC again.
So happy to see this. Love my freezer 34 esports duo, and I think that 30+ dollars for a single fan is just absurd. Arctic are champs!
In Germany a pack of 5 from the original p12 goes for only 25euros
That's insane value
Incredible video. I've been a big fan of Arctic for a while, and think their CPU coolers, fans and thermal compounds are incredible value.
Many, many people are reporting the p12 max to have even more severe motor noise than the original, and that's a massive concern given how horrible the motor noise on the p12 and p14 is. I was considering buying these since it looks like an update from the outside, but I'll stay with the p14 and kaze flex.
I love Arctic Fans. They just work. All cases I've built in have used 10+ fans and they've all been Arctic. I can't wait for the P14 Max fans, those will probably be the best on the market if released.
Love my current P12s in my o11 air mini. Have 5 120s & 2 140s w/ the 280 AIO. These will 100% be in my next build in the future. Love this brand.
Bought these for $8.99 today from Amazon. The catch... They won't deliver until June. I just wanted to replace them on the Peerless Assassin just for kicks. Thanks for all this fantastic fan content. You're the fan man!
Just built a new rig, but in my old case I had the OG Arctic F12s. Those bad-boys ran for like 7 years straight and one is still going. The bearing is just now starting to click.
I'm glad there is more improvement and at better cost for PC fans 👍 big fan
Arctic always made great products. About 100 years ago (uhm) when I bought an OEM PC with a Core2Duo in it - I was amazed how silent it was compared to the system that I had before. Arctic. When building DIY PCs, sometimes I went Arctic, sometimes I used the same brand as the case already had, sometimes I tried different brands. I liked the LC Power LC-CF-120-Pro, for example. Now I'm with be quiet. But that's only because the case had Pure Wings 2 in it, I like the aesthetics - and the Pure Wings aren't too expensive. Can't spin that fast, but for case fans, that's okay. Anyway - the new Arctics were on my "list". Only decided against them, because I had enough bq there already.
Nice review. Planning to build a small Office-and-Emergency System - Think that box is going to be cooled by Arctic, again.
Arctic did a very good job introducing such a quality fan at an affordable price. Can't wait to see their future aio/air cooler lineups
I wish fan reviews mentioned the harmonics and rattling noises fans do at low rpm. As someone who usually keeps the fans in the 600-1000 RPM for 140mm I really care about motor noises and rattles at those RPM. The 3000RPM values mean nothing to people that want quiet reliable fans. I've had a few fans and they've all had the typical dyal ball bearing rattle at low RPM including some older Arctic A14 PWM. Would love to see this included. An audio clip at low RPM would also be useful.
Just got this fan the other day. My temperatures on my LFII 120mm AIO are phenomenal! Love this fan. Fairly quiet (With my fan curve). Inexpensive. Will definitely be using more of these in the future. Way to go Arctic!
Glad there is more competition in this space.
I have 4x P12 silent on my pc . They are whisper quite . I love them.
Got P12's and P14's purring away right now; glad to see they're keeping the trend going!
Man this video deserves an award. Thank you as it was über-helpful in my new PC build!!
I've personally never had problems with the humming thing some ppl had, but apparently it's fixed/a lot better with this version. Arctic doing good stuff.
For me, it's at 40-43% of the RPM. 39 is fine and so is 44, but 1, 2, 3 resonates. Badly. So make sure they never hit those RPMs.
Great review! Thank you. Please do such fans review for 140mm, really interesting to see such comparison to have all best fans and sizes reviews on your channel!
I've been a fan of Arctic's DBB fans for a very long time, I'm still using all the stone grey F12 and F14 PWM PST Co fans I bought back in 2017, and I'm glad to see that they have more DBB based fans hitting the market. Extremely quiet, decent airflow, and considering that I've got roughly four and a half years, give or take, of 24/7 runtime out of these fans, with nothing to show for it beyond some dust, they're extremely reliable.
Their CO fans come with 10 year warranty for 24/7 operation, which is pretty sick.
I just checked and these are 8,90 EUR on caseking right now. That's crazy cheap for what you get. Hopefully the motor doesn't have the annoying humming noise the normal P12 has.
Wow, 2 awards!!! I am so happy!!! Let me congratulate as well the engineers!!! Thanks Mike, highlight of the week.
Love your methodology. No one does fan reviews better. I've noticed that you always look at 120mm fans though. I've also noticed that 140mm fans always have lower static pressure. I find myself wondering what happens when you move to 140mm. Any plans on doing a roundup with the best 140mm fans?
As a bonus, it would be interesting to see what performs better. 120mm base radiators (like 360mm 3 fan) with higher static pressure 120mm fans or 140mm base radiators (like 420mm 3-fan) having greater surface area, but all supported fans have lower static pressure.
Would be interesting to see.
video idea: mix and match to find the best air cooler heatsink to the best cooler fan combination
I saw the title and thumbnail and had to like the vid before watching haha. From the thumbnail I knew it was closer to the Bionix fans Arctic used on some of their coolers like the eSports 34 and its good that they were able to make it even better.
The P12 Max looks pretty great considering its closing in on the Phanteks T30, Noctua PPC, and Silent Wings 4 fans that are more expensive.
At this point I have 6 P12 PWM fans and they work well and I'll welcome getting more P12s or even some P12 Max fans. Though right now the P12 Max isn't available yet in my region.
Yep a happy Artic fans costumer here. Good job Artic👍
I hope we get P4-Max, P6-Max, P8-Max, P9-Max, P-14-Max, P18-Max!
Great video and I'm a super excited about the fans. I've been running p12s on my custom loop for ages and they're awesome, though I was looking for something a little more powerful as I just upgraded both GPU and CPU. Was going to go to noctua, but pretty expensive for three 25 mm and two 15 mm fans. I think I'll be doing the p12 maxes instead!
I just built a new computer last week, and for the CPU cooler, I went with the artic liquid freezer II 360. on the 13600k. and oh boy is that cooler value for money even when I'm gaming my CPU stays below 50c . and the fans don't even spin above 30% I then went ahead and bought a Value pack of 5 of the Artic P12 Max to put in my case as they are perfect for my Stealth build! Artic is doing something freaking amazing and they are priced very competitive! almost feel like these fans should cost a little more!
Thank you Artic for being so awesome !
2:19 - Regarding official Arctic website the P12 Max is coming with Hydrodynamic Bearing. However, dual ball bearing was mentioned here at 2:19 .
Perfect timing for me, was about to get the silent pro wings, not anymore that's for sure. Thanks for the heads up, great video.
Hope arctic will make a PST version like the P12 has, its so good for easy cable management with no need for a fan hub.
Great video, you always do a great job on topics that don't get touched that often. Great job
outstanding video. It's very unfortunate that so many people are having problems with them.
Not me!
I expected them to be good but not THIS good. Great job Arctic!
Now Arctic needs a P14 Max!
Excellent, they finally put a ring on it to stop tip strikes!
Hope you hit 2-5 million subs within this year or after.
Thank you for this. It did help my decision on buying case fans.
As soon as I see them in my micro center I’ll be buying a 3 pack. I don’t need fans. But I support a company like this.
Nice review, I have been using P12 PWM PSTs, maybe next time will buy these new P12 Max fans.
Another great video, Mike. Ironically, I just rewatched your video on the "high-end" fan comparison last night. I almost pulled the trigger on a 3 pack of the Phanteks T30 fans for just under $90 USD on Amazon. The new P12 Max blade design is very similar to the Noiseblocker e-Loop fans with the outer ring that's fused to the fan blades. I love my e-Loop fans, but Arctic putting these new fans on the market may make me change them out permenantly. I have tried a lot of fans, with Arctic fans, especially the Bionix line, being one of my favorites and being the best value on the market, but I've always gone back to the e-Loops. EK, Corsair, Cooler Master, be quiet!, and other popular names have all fallen to the wayside. I will definitely be trying out some of the new P12 Max fans soon. Even if it's in a friend's or client's build. What I really hope Arctic does is change the Bionix fans to this type of blade design. I just love the added flare of the colors and style of the Bionix fans.
Quite simply the best value fans on the market. I love the older versions that I'm still running after years of use.
Excellent review as usual. Arctic, excellent product, as usual. Really hope Arctic to keep it up with tjis amazing work without ripping off our pockets and hope to keep watching those amazing reviews from you guys. Take care!
I had 11 Arctic fans with a mix of P12 and P14 over a year of usage some of them have developed an annoying audible motor noise which has prompted me to switch to a T30 & NFA25 combo. Worth the 4x cost!
man, i JUST bought the p12. Happy with it tho. they look so cool and run quiet.
I've ran arctic p12 fans for almost 4 years now they're great 2 of the fans had a issue with the motors Wich was noticeable with the early units and they replaced them no questions asked, this kind of safety with their products made me a loyal customer of theirs for all of my systems
Arctic's next AIO will perform even more well with these new fans
Bought them straight after watching this video, put them on my ASUS AIO, and damn the noise level is noticably and the cooling since it moves more air and can go even faster at a lower DB. i only have theese 2 fans in my IXt build and they are def. enough.
I have 4 x P12 fans in my case. They are super quiet and I get great thermals. Very happy with them for the price.
i couldn't find the max version but i don't think its an issue, the arctic p12 pwm will work just fine
rocking the older p12s and they're amazing
great improvement, ready to change my fans when its available at Amazon US
It's there. Link in our description
For airflow, you aught to look at the Zallman fans as well. They are silent, high quality, and cost
Arctic is pretty much the only company making high quality fans/aio's without using inflation to justify gouging right now. It's like they are the only company that realizes that you can buy 5 cheap off brand fans for about 35-50 bucks on amazon and for most people, that's good enough. Nice to see at least one company that realizes the larger market and actually wants to provide a quality alternative at a competitive price.
BTW to all those other fan makers. Even if I had infinite money, I will never be paying 50 dollars (I live in Canada) for a single fan. Get bent.
I got one for my DeepCool heatsink who's fan only went up to 1600 RPM but performed pretty well. Very satisfied with the new P12 MAX. I set it to spin down to zero at temps my PC idles at (amazing!) and it spins up to about 2400 RPM at full CPU load on my CPU cooler. Temps are down a few degrees and the fan noise is imperceptible with the rest of my fans running.
Ordered 8 of these to fill all of my cases fan spots. Will see if it keeps my case a little cooler
I am such a fan of Arctic P12 that I have bought 6 extra that never get used lol
Time to give those to my friends who graduated from console gaming recently and replace mine with these brand new ones to be sitting on my shelf and be appreciated for their beauty.
i use p12´s since many years in all my pcs, always a quiet and good cooling . here in germany you can get them sometimes for 6€ per piece . next build i´ll try the new max
Ooooh I love Arctic, they keep on making products that are amazing value, and this time they just completely destroyed the competition in the high end market, amazing!
There is no performance reason to install anything but P12Max fans now!
RGB looks wise, Lian-Li infi ity fans can't be beat. I hope you add those to your excellent fan reviews in the near future.
I have these on my Corsair 240mm aio, never looked back!!
Only bad thing its there is no white version,I have 3 P12Max and 3 Bionix whites and grey,both are insanely awsome
I will definitely be buying some of these when they're available in white, also want some in 140 mm size in white.
We need this type of testing with 140mm models PLEASE!!
if it can "run faster without getting louder" the same works in reverse as an indictment on the P12 standard: the P12 runs slower, pushes 10CFM less air, and isnt any quieter than the Max
I'm happy with P12 and this gets better. Nice move for Arctic with budget fans
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The five pack is 35 dollars. This is insane.
I am DEFINITELY going to get them
I'm glad more value per performance of fans instead of hiking up the price per fans
Thanks for the review. Please test the Phanteks M25 120mm and 140mm
Theys are legit good fans iv got the p14 max ones on my 280mm aio just orderd theys ones for my case fans give the best air flow