Airbus A320 Crashes in Pakistan | Here's What Really Happened to Flight 8303 [Real Audio]
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- Pakistan International Airlines Flight 8303 was a domestic flight between Lahore and Karachi, Pakistan. On 22 May 2020, the Airbus A320 operating the flight crashed a few kilometres from the runway, while on a second final approach to Jinnah International Airport, after a failed landing. Find out what might have happened.
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Please note that even though this is an updated version of the previous video, it still might contain some animations that are not 100% accurate as the accident occurred just 11 days ago and there is not much data available. As soon as more information is released, I’ll make yet another video with a better representation of what actually happened to the flight. Also, I would like to express my deepest condolences to the families of those who have lost their loved ones on board PIA8303. 😢
Hello Flight Channel and thankyou for the information on how the A320 CRASHED
is that FSLab a320?
Bro u r working Hard just for us very well appreciated
Can make video on air India express 821 pls. It took place on 21 September 2018
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I am a retired A-330 Captain with more then 27,000 hours and 5600 hours on the A-330. High on approach is one of the most common mistake pilots do and for several reasons, one being distracted before top of descent and delaying the approach with the result of being high and fast. The airbus 320 and 330 landing gear will not extend if the speed is above 240 knots even if the gear lever is selected down, it just wont come down. It is obvious to me that this Captain was betting on slowing the airplane down enough that eventually the gear would come down in the end and that he would be able to: SAVE FACE and not be dishonored by performing a missed approach, something he should have done. Pilots, there is no shame in performing a missed approach, in my 46 year career I performed several missed approach when at some point, it just did not look good. Please learn a valuable lesson here and take your passengers to port, late maybe, but alive. Capt. Pierre Andre Mercier, Saudi Arabian Airlines (retired).
Question: If the landing gear was selected down above extension speed, ECAM warning comes on then aircraft reduces speed below extension speed does the lever still have to be recycled to reset/swap LGCIU’s?
Well said Cap. If something is not right abort climb and get your self time to figure out what is wrong. So sad to the passengers and crew that died on this flight.
But landing gears should be automatically deployed if the plane is 500 feet above, because no plane is made to land over seas or roads without wheels.
@@imrank5002 While I do agree with your statement, I believe the plane should be able to detect if it is over water and not deploy the gears. Sometimes, as the case with US Airways 1549, ditching might need to occur. Lowering the gear during a water ditching will cause the plane to break up. Possibly another option could be to override the system, even though that might give the possibility for pilot error.
@@imrank5002 Dude, high speed of plane will break the landing gear upon touchdown, there is a reason why gears aren't lowered above a certain speed. Don't try to sound like an expert on something you can only dream of being one
"Nah, I´m satisfied and can handle the situation". You are not on your bicycle, you know! Responsibility rings a bell? Technology?
Nelson Kaiowá ATC shoulda said you're not paid to feel satisfied you're paid to fucken land!
@@Dawnie-bi6qu I feel guilty that I laughed at your comment
Sounds like the captain's big ego caused this disaster.
Yup
overconfidence
Arrogance is expensive and often fatal.
he's done it before and gotten away with it. Not this time.
Of course he must be a F*8 Gaz*
Irony. Earlier he had too much speed and power and during the second attempt he was left with no speed and power. Balance in life is important.
RIP the souls on board.
Yes bro balance in life is a key element
Can we take a moment to appreciate this guy's dedication for making new updates when there is new updates about the incident? It amazes me.
AGREED
After reading this, I took a moment as well
He does a tremendous job.
No we just have to wait for ntc to create a proper video cux they are professionals 🙂
Taking a moment of appreciation. Agree 100%
"Don't know the cause of the accident"
Maybe the two idiots behind the controls had something to do with it.
Totally avoidable.
it was actually human error by the captain not listening to ATC
@@afrahkhizer7239 They did everything wrong short of intentionally pointing the planes nose straight down.
@@afrahkhizer7239 it was an error by the captain not knowing how to fly the plane. Shortly after there was a scandal that showed that at least 30% of Pakistani pilots had obtained licences illegally.
usual thing MONEY do we blame the pilots easy to when we know different to them how much training do they have pilots not talking and not confirming atc seems like the air traffic controller thought fuck it land anyway you sods not my life.
@@rafaeloda yeah but this captain was their most senior captain. I think he was just arrogant. He didn't want to be told by the traffic controller how to fly his plane.
You can clearly hear the tone of ego in the pilot's voice.
Exactly! And this is what you get when you *think* you're "above reproach" as a pilot!
That is what I am thinking
Bro he is confident not errogant would he kill himself??
@@hamadrashid8030 Pilots have done it before, knowingly and obviously, not knowingly...
Pride comes before the fall.....
Well that captain ignored and violated practically every rule in the book. Unbelievable.
@Apjal Guruji are you suggesting Islamic pilots would be unsafe to fly during Ramadan?
Which book are you talking about...the Koran or the QRH?...he probably reached for the former.
DawN - Aviation yeah exactly! I don’t know why people still blaming the pilot? In fact no one will chose to die instead of surviving! Please just people just pray for him & to all the departed souls.
@Apjal Guruji yeah, I'll stick to pilot who doesn't fast but flying safely. Thanks
@@dawaane
They were not stabilized at 1000 feet before landing, which is a requirement. They did not react on the alarm telling the crew the landing gear could not deploy due to too high airspeed. There is enough information available to conclude that the airplane crashed because of pilot error.
The glide slope into the airport was far too steep. To claim that you are comfortable with that approach points toward poor training and understanding of the situation there were in at the time.
“The flight is currently under investigation and there is no final word on what caused the crash”. Yes there is, two words. “Pilot incompetence” Being a pilot myself, I hate to speak ill of any aviation accident, especially a fatality, but that is the FACT of what caused this.
Yeah the the pilot hold most of the blame but the FO girls some to since they both ignored the warnings. Two idiots flying an aircraft may those poor souls on board Rest In Peace.
While I feel that you are probably right, there could’ve been contributing factors other than negligence - maybe high fatigue, or even hypoxia caused by an insidious gas like carbon monoxide. Best to let the experts determine this stuff before slandering the dead (even though you’re probably correct)
@@SupremeCaterpillar Well you’re more than welcome to tiptoe around everyone’s feelings and precious little emotions. However, I am sick of the poor me and entitled culture bullshit. I’m telling it like it is and if their precious little feelings get hurt, they deserve to be hurt. So sick of living in a country where where a minority of weaklings can control everything because of a movement or deciding on a new cultural norm because they can’t hack it in life. I’m not saying you’re one of them. However, from your comment it sounds like you just may be. It’s not slander, it’s a fact.
It's been 2 years and investigation haven't done yet. Heard that it may take 1 and half year more to be done.
@@aatif1200 lmao, what more investigation y'll need when it's very much apparent that those two pilots were nothing but fools flying in the air along with those poor souls who lost their lives
The plane did everything to save them, they just didn’t want
did they want to save themselves knowing some religions this happens.
@@raypitts4880 what do you mean by "religions" huh ?
Wow Ray you didn’t have to put religion in it if they wanna follow whatever they wanna do then let em
@@micahgotracksplays340 he means that in some cultures it is dishonorable to make mistakes for example in korean culture it is frowned upon to talk down to your superiors.
@@ethanxinq In Chinese culture too I heard.
With all of this Captains experience he knew better. He came across to me as cocky and overconfident and not caring. He seemed to me to have an "I'll do as I please" attitude. He intentionally ignored what he knew not to ignore. His passenger's who lives and safety he was entrusted with paid the price for his negligence.
Shut up why dont you land a plane with a damaged landing gear
@@Blizzard2212 but the landing gear wasn't even damaged u idiot
@@Blizzard2212 he never mentioned any landing gear problems. Seemingly the gear did not deploy due to overspeed. Overspeed was due to approaching too high. This was an unstable approach. It should have been aborted.
@@Blizzard2212 know what you're talking about BEFORE you post next time jackass..there was nothing wrong with the landing gear.. The PILOT deployed it at the WRONG SPEED.. the planes safety function did not allow it to drop, or it WOULD have been damaged. Fool.
@@Blizzard2212 The landing gear wasn't damaged. It didn't drop because his speed was too high. It's pretty pathetic when even the ATC guy has to tell the captain how to safely land the plane...and then he's ignored.
If this pilot was "comfortable" with this approach, his judgement was seriously impaired.
@@Charwoah its not ideal, if you can avoid it then you should. The gear didn't extend because the pilot made a mistake that was fixable, he just didn't do it in time.
Yes, there are firefighters, but it's the same as car insurance, you have it there, but the last thing you want to do is use it.
@@Charwoah They come only when called. But captain not ordered a belly landing.
comfortable th-cam.com/video/-F_myBEPLy8/w-d-xo.html
Obviously with all the technology,bells,whistles,and sirens,that it is impossible to eliminate the idiot from the equation.
@@Charwoah it couldnt have turned out any worse than it did,that would've probably saved a lot of lives.
The fact the cockpit ignores the air traffic controller trying to line him up shows massive incompetence and arrogance.
Wait till a full investigation takes place before you throw accusations! Have you got no respect for the pilots who lost their lives?
Hes facing engine failures and problems with his plane, he knows a crash is inevitable, and hes trying everything to save it!
Now watch this pilot defend these losers:
th-cam.com/video/bM9ZrliDkNA/w-d-xo.html
I agree with you.
@@InsaneFlying yup, engine failures caused by him trying to land with the gear up.
@@InsaneFlying The engine failures were their own fault, they landed without the wheels down, there are skid marks 1 km long on the runway, it took that long to wake up and try a go around?
How did he not hear the alarm? Side note: After binge watching about 20 of these vids, flight hours mean nothing.
it always seems its the pilots with 15000+ hours that get into these crashes
This really is the piece of the puzzle that's never satisfactorily answered. The video text suggests they were "distracted by the unstable approach." What?!? That doesn't explain how they ignored a clearly audible & continuously sounding warning. Honestly, I tend to agree with some of the other comments here that presume the pilot actually was *aware* of the alarm going off and just opted to ignore it out of over-confidence--perhaps thinking it was sounding because of a speed / altitude issue (will it do that?) rather than a gear issue.
If you dont notice right away, you never will. Your brain is going to filter it out after a certain point.
Same in military aviation; most of the crashes here I've known have occured by experienced pilots.
@@RageCage1701 i see the pipe and the blade is connected to the pipe
I can’t even imagine the terror and fright the passengers experienced when they started the go-around :((
the person who survived the crash told that no one knew they are going to crash they were only worried for a short time when the engines scrapped on the run way, later on the flight seemed so smooth that till the last second they all thought that they are going to land as the plane was gliding and runway was in sight
@nazish munir I am very glad to hear that. I hope their deaths were quick and painless. No one deserves to go through something like this, especially not when they know it’s going to happen.
@@lindsayschmidt2177 I am afraid not! As stated by the same survivor, “most of the people survived the crash and could be heard screaming for help but were unable to get out of their seats (injured) and burnt alive.”
Always a comment from someone who can’t “imagine the terror”. Burned alive doesn’t sound all that appealing does it?
Most passenger wouldn't normally have a clue as to why the go-around was initiated, let alone be terrified.
Just when you think you've seen it all, someone can surprise you again with a new level of incompetence.
Make something idiot proof and someone invents a better idiot.
Incompetence is the p.c. word idiocy.
They still don't beat the Three Stooges flying Saudia 163 though
The pilot's overconfidence led to this sad event....
Yes let's all make up our minds about what happened before any actual research is done on the crash. That's a very American thing to do!
Overconfidence kills.
And Boeing saw fit to allow a pilot to lower the landing gear lever while the plane's systems prevented the gear from lowering. If there was a lock on the landing gear level that prevented it from lower given the high speeds, this crash wouldn't have occurred. Thus, some blame falls on design.
WyomingPTT I thought your name said: HyimpigPFF. Lol that would make more sense...
I'm just gonna guess that this is what happened. The alarms were ignored on the first landing attempt. Advise from the control tower was ignored regarding their speed and altitude. Had the pilot corrected the issue on the first landing attempt, this probably wouldn't have ever happened. I bet they were aware that they screwed up just before crashing.
one of my family memeber was on this flight... they died and also my dads best buddys family and him died :(
seeing this makes me cry :(
my prayers,with u.
Very 😔 sad indeed ...
I'm so sorry 😥
god give ur family strength
I'm so very sorry for your lost 😭
These simulations should be used by every airline, for training and other purposes....
These are extremely well put together. I am super late to the party, but I'm almost caught up. Outstanding work. Thank you for your dedication and choosing to share it
You missed the party, they already crashed
Yeah. Excellent idea.
A crash that should have not happened.
May all of the passengers and crew rest in peace.
absolutely, this murder-suicide should not have happened because these two psychopaths should not have had access to a plane.
@@rstidman shame
Nope, not at all, I mean yea RIP the passengers and air attendants but fuck the pilots, literally amatuers in the air
ATVER Gaming watch your mouth Man! Don’t judge and act like a God! You’re not perfect!
So you think they went to heaven I read the Quran which says it’s real but I always wonder if there’s any other proof of heaven if not when I die I’ll die empty
How many signs do you need? From the unstable approach, constant alarm, and ignoring ATC when he said to go-around.. And what happened to the go-around procedure? “Positive Rate, Gear Up” ?
That extra drag is deadly when you’ve lost both engines.. 🤦♂️ Easy for me to sit here as an arm chair pilot and critique them, but damn.. feel terrible that this was so preventable.. RIP to all 🙏🏻
When you stuff a fully functional aircraft in the ground during the day, in sunny weather due to your incompetence, you deserve to be armchaired. What a waste.
Great Comment! BTW..
Seriously? Don't you have any respect for the pilots who lost their lives? He'd been flying for years, landed countless flights perfectly, it was nothing as simple as stowed landing gear!
@@celderian Wait till a full investigation takes place before you throw accusations! Have you got no respect for the pilots who lost their lives?
@@InsaneFlying Yea, but if your landing gear is not deploying, you better tell the tower about it? And coming in with the recommended altitudes is not too much to ask for, right?
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Of all of your videos Flight Channel, I have never seen such gross negligence on the part of the pilots!! Thanks for your work!!
My guess is that this pilot has operated in this manner many times without incident. It became a habit. This time, the reason for a more stabilized approach with set speeds, altitudes and rate of decent markers becomes clear.
That sounds even very plausible, but is actually more shocking - PIA also does`nt have the best reputation.
pilot habit th-cam.com/video/-F_myBEPLy8/w-d-xo.html
I thought the same thing. He’s done this many times, and it finally got him and about 100 innocent people killed. His status and the culture of rank there probably didn’t help.
@@Cl4rendon sadly but true . once it was the finest airline in the world and the countries hired PIA employees to train their staff . good old times.
If his habit was fast approaches then wouldn’t he run into the landing gear problem more often?
The gear won't come down at that high a speed. Remember, with the modern fly-by-wire aircraft such as the Airbus and the Boeings, it's like driving a BMW or a Mercedes, they will literally not tolerate "stupid". The aircraft knows the correct flight speed for a particular altitude at a particular airport based on the ILS glide-slope. It simply won't let you drop the gear if you're not inside the correct parameters.
The beep-beep-beep is the aircraft saying: "Hey, Dopey, you're too hot. I'm not putting the gear down".
how about a flashing sign or voice that literally shouts LANDING GEAR NOT DOWN or blocking the actual lever. the people who design these planes are as dumb as the ones who fly them. How about a warning NOT TO ATTEMPT LANDING in the first place? lets face it if this plane was not trying to be clever it would have resulted in a rough landing and perhaps overrunning the runway and in worst case damage way less than the damage resulting in the 'clever' plane 'forcing' its stupid occupants to continue their stupidity. Another reason why such a 'clever' automated intervention is dangerous is because what if other circumstance create a situation in which the plane's speed is not controllable (there have been such incidents) so now the plane wants to add insult to injury by preventing the crew from at least attempting to land the stricken plane at higher speed? (not the case here evidently)
Keith Forrest Yep all the verbal warnings and beeping was missed? It's just incredible these so called pilots could be so bad at their job
@@nw6070 Exactly, additional flash signs for dummy pilots.
n w Didn't you hear the verbal warnings and beeping over and over? You can't create a Dumb Human proof plane
so if I understand you correct, he sholda gone for the go-around at this very beep you mention, not after skidding on the tarmac and fuckin up the engines. What a tit. How did this fool got his pilots licence.
I will always remember the pilot for American Airlines who in Feb 2002 landed my plane behind an expired tornado warning. It took 2 missed approaches and landing out of a curve at BHM Alabama airport but he got that plane down safely. We had oxygen masks everywhere, air sickness from turbulence but we were safe. I shook his hand and blessed him and thanked the pilots and crew for getting us home. I was flying in from phoenix. It was just before midnight. Idk if he will ever see my message but he will know if he sees it. I am in awe of your skills as pilots. Thank you 🙏🏻
Imagine you are only a few seconds to land while your beloved family awaits you at the airport be informed that your plane has arrived. Who knows it will eventually become a sad story...
Condolences to the family :'(
This is so sad, as an Airbus pilot I can't imagine operating the airplane in this fashion. Terrible CRM, technique and SOP.
Even old armchair pilots like myself know that there are speed limits for flaps & landing gear deployment & that pilots should setup for a stabilised approach.
Its happened because of overconfidence of the senior pilot
You’re not wrong. I’ve never flown commercially but even I am staggered by the total disregard for procedure here. Chimps in charge wouldn’t have been much worse!
Ramadan fast got their focus that's all I can say
@@vikraal6974 didn't they have to deal with Ramadan their entire lives until this point?
Pilot was overconfident, saying he can manage it with 7000 feet height when it should be 3000 ft.. and see till the end he was so calm like he's flying in a simulator
I agree. So, with the number of flight hours grows the pilot's self-confidence, who artificially creates a dangerous situation capable of proving beyond doubt his capacities. Precisely because life feels like it's lived in simulation mode the need grows to get out of the simulator and take some revitalizing risks.
I mean doesn’t panicking make everything worse?
Isn't relaxing and being over confident dangerous for the human lives in this situation? I mean*
poor people lost their lives even the pilot he was calm but he could have avoided ignoring the instructions. R.I.P
@@talhaali9132 The reason that he didn't panic was not his knowledge , but his ignorance.
Panicking would have only made things worse.........
well, maybe not🤔
If thats what Pakistanis BEST, most experienced pilot is like, can't imagine what the lesser pilots are like.
Actually no, this crash happened because of the pilots overconfidence. Pakistan is known to have some of the best pilots worldwide mostly for airforce. In fact, most of the pilots from Emirates airlines are Pakistanis. In the past other countries such as Turkey call in Pakistani Fighter jet pilots to train their pilots and also to fight for their country
Lol it's funny but tbh you've to dig in to check about Our Pilots ... Most of them die because of their Overconfidence ...
@@alifaisal2392 Except PIA was recently in a scandal where pilots didn’t even have real licenses... some of the “best” aren’t even trained, licensed pilots.
@@alifaisal2392 yeah you are right proud to be Pakistani 🇵🇰 Pakistan zindabad
@@alifaisal2392 pakistan isn’t known for having ANYTHING BEST ANYWHERE
Thank you for all of the hard work that you’ve put into making this video.
You can really feel what they went through. How incredibly sad. :(
I'm an ex Air Traffic controller from CAA Pakistan . I remember at our times we had to remind every landing aircraft to "check gears down and locked" . it was mandatory then but I think now this practice is stopped. It could avoid this accident CAA Pakistan should adding the phrase again
May I ask why you had to do this? Was this for extra safety or did it happen regularly that planes landed with-out gears?
@@Blind_Hawk no the tires weren't opening
@@HasaanCorner This doesn't answer my question not do I know what that should mean. Tires opening? You mean when tires blow up or the gear coming down?
@@Blind_Hawk why are you making me mad
Just right it in simple words that what do you wanna say
@@DeputyBurbank Man, we all have our own Karens and Chads. Don't diss a country because of one person.
This incident really saddens me more than most. Something about the non-communicated belly landing. Were the pilots in denial? Were they not even aware? Very saddening.
Clearly unaware. They wouldn't do a belly landing without communicating their intention with the ATC so that emergency services could be alerted and mobilized.
@degenerate boi What? Because of one plane crash, one cabin crew, one pilot, you're hating the entire country? Dude, I won't lie but I've never seen someone more childish than ya.
@degenerate boi you have an idiot reason for that
@@airplanevibes9475 Quite possibly he's actually 10/10 delusional.
I think keeping fast (which is not permissible for pilots) resulted in the poor judgment under stress.
12:45 The pilot calmly saying that they have lost both engines and not even pan-pan has been declared this far is totally insane!
Let’s think about those people who were just 1000m from celebrating Eid with there families 💔
The pilot probably was suffering a lack of concentration as he probably hadn't eaten since the night before because of Ramadan. . Celebrating Eid consists of slitting some poor sheep or cows throat and watching it bleed out in your backyard.
@@lindaross4331 youre mixing up two different Eids. Also why are you acting like you dont contribute to mass farming and killing of animals??
PIA pilots are all just used car salesmen in pilot uniforms anyway. Morons
There’s always viagra
"The fact the pilot's voice is so calm as he speaks over the warning signal" suggests he's not heard it? The crew have brushed-off inquiries about irregular lights and altitudes from two ATCs and were flying a commercial A320 like it was a military C-130. They shouldn't have been in the cockpit
Definitely less focussed due to Ramadan fast
He may have heard it but he may have assumed it's cuz of his fast approach since he knew he was descending faster than advised
Vikraal I think this is an unprofessional excuse. There are hundreds or even thousands of pilots fasting during Ramadan and they can still perform perfect landing. If it’s true that fasting distracts the pilots’ focus in performing their duty, the world would have banned pilot fasting since long time ago.
@@vikraal6974 thousands of muslim pilots are fasting annually, there has never been an accident caused by fasting. this is literally the dumbest denial I've ever seen so far
You have to blame the organisation for it's ethics and seriousness to safety it was a senior and experienced crew. No airline should tolerate this culture.
Im lost for words. This incident is just outrageous.
Agreed my friend dumb pillts
Bro, just chill and wait for the final report. Ok ?
nope pia have a number of incompetent pilots
DawN - Aviation just chill ? Really. You must be a low life loner, definitely. However I’m sure you wouldn’t even know the meaning. Any way chill
Mohammad Hussain how about you fly a plane whilst fasting and receiving not the most training due to the shitty government not funding much
Human error: the most common thing that brings aircrafts down. Though, great work on updating, TFC. You never cease to amaze us all.
I'm guessing that PIC was used to hearing warnings going off with the way he would fly, so when they were going off for the gear he didn't even care. I guess he thought he was a topgun and had dreams of buzzing towers and ignoring directions.
This gives pilot error a whole new meaning. It isn't even pilot error anymore, it is pilot negligence. How can you try and land an A320 when it isn't configured for landing? Moreover do checklists even mean anything to these pilots? You are supposed to confirm a 3 green for the landing gear once it has been extended. Makes you wonder for how many years have these pilots been skirting common aviation law & operating procedures.
Akie Chhabra Exactly! These pilots flew as if they owned the sky and could do no wrong...not for the first time that's for sure. Sadly the passengers and their families pay the ultimate price. So avoidable it's crazy
Ramadan fast got them. No way he been flying for 17000 hours like this
Buddy it's a Pakistani airline what do you expect? I am surprised that this doesn't happen more often.
@@vikraal6974 maybe they were too drunk to look for the three green landing gear successfully deployed lights?
@@vikraal6974 nope. Same bunch of morons like you keep saying it's due to fasting. ffs he's not the only pilot fasting and flying at the same time, so many other pilots have done it before and ALL followed sops, not like this irresponsible and arrogant person. I have even heard of pilots being exempted from fasting, not sure how true that is but if so, your 'excuse' is not even 1% valid.
After 60 years as an aviation enthusiast I can now say I've seen it all. Not since the flight scene in It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World have I seen such incompetent airmanship. At least Mickey Rooney and Buddy Hackett would have LANDED the plane.
Air France Flight 447
Addison Texas King Air 200 in june 2019.
😅🤣😂
Needed Sully there. (Pilot in Hudson River water landing. 1% change of success. **he was a god that you could see with your very eyes, I tell you**) And he landed it, well done to him.
At least Jim Backus could make his own Manhattan dear boy
Were these guys even trained pilots? Such an avoidable crash.
They weren’t. PIA removed most of their pilots cos they discovered none of them even had a licence
Most of the countries banned pakistani pilots because many of them have obtained the fake liscence... It's pakistan after all..
My mom and dad were planning to go to pakistan on pia. I told them not to but it was the only direct flight. Luckily its banned from our country
@@Blizzard2212 I highly recommend flying with virgin antlantic to pakistan
Pilots here are licensed but our training is not same as other countries training and it is due to lack of technological instruments and simulators
Pilots are humans and no human is perfect everyone can make mistakes but some mistakes are not avoidable and results in catastrophic tragedys but it is also not correct to judge a pilot or a person from where they belong to.
There were many American Indian and more pilots who had an ego of them and led to catastrophic crashes in the aviation history
By this fact why don't we judge them by their whereabouts .by there homeland.????
We don't judge them right?
Ask yourselves why you are not judging them ?
Is it because of their power ?
No its just because you are the one who decides to be side of a person.
So stop criticizing the pilots by their counrty.
Have you ever imagined youself being critizied by the fact that you belong to a country which is underrated .
If not then first try to put yourself in the place of those pilots who you are critizing and try t. Feel the pain.
Beside the fact they made mistake or caused the accidents , judging them by their countries is the worst thing we all humans do.
Be positive. Stop judging others you don't have that right to do it.
If you really want to judge someone do it but keep it till yourself and don't do it on social media
Negative thoughts like this just causes negative impact on ourselves .
I'm a pilot for Delta, and I cannot imagine any situation where I wouldn't notice an alert and respond properly! Airlines out of Africa and some Asian ones are just plain scary: Like these two, terrible pilots, poor maintenance, etc. And to think this was their most-senior pilot. SCARY!
It seems one thing they did right was to disengage the 'air brake' on go-around, otherwise they wouldn't be able to climb.
I am speechless with this 'experienced' captain's decisions.
The dynamics during the crew and ATC conversation showed an unprofessional attitude from the captain. They didn't keep ATC informed of what they knew in the cockpit.
They remember to disengage the air brake, but fail to disengage the landing gear when going around? it's hard to fathom how unprepared this crew appears to be totally unable to perform basic flight awareness. If they had kept the gear retracted after the go-around, the lower drag might have been enough for a second belly landing on the runway rather than a gear down crash short of the runway.
They probably didn't do that right either. The speedbrakes deploy when the gear touches the ground, but that surely didn't happen
Gary Zhang they’re called speed brakes btw... and speed brakes do not deploy (on the Airbus A320) if the aircraft is not fully configured correctly, eg: landing gear down and flaps full. The reverse thrusters also automatically activate the speed brakes. In this case the reversers were not activated. Therefore the speed brakes did not deploy in the first place. In the event that the speed brakes somehow were deployed, then yes, once the aircraft thrust hits TOGA then the speed brakes would automatically retract.
Thanks for the comments on the air brake deployment. It was my speculation that it was on. In other air accidents there were few cases a plane configured for landing failed to fly high enough to avoid (unexpected) obstacles due to air brake being still engaged.
Pilot's too big ego and stupidity caused the disaster. Him being Pakistan's most senior pilot makes it worse.
Exactly. how can your most senior and experienced pilot be a rookie? Atleast in terms of knowledge he was. Who says I'm satisfied when the altitude is 2.5x the prescribed altitude in airport approach manual. Also Karachi Tower shouldn't have gave him clearance to land if he was not following rules.
plz there death was written for them don't be like this
black box is sent today to be inspected, it's too early to blame a deceased one and kindly do not believe anyone's statement especially on media they are clown and puppets. Even educated people are waiting for the official statement after all of the procedures
@@indrajitsahu5006 Jacob van Zanten was one of the most senior and experienced pilots of KLM before he caused one of the worst accidents in aviation. Not only a PIA problem if it happens to be a contributing fact this time.
Sounds about right. His tone throughout, from asking about runway lights to being comfortable to land was too... chill. Those are the moments, you slip up the most. And well if you don't slip up, the high of accomplishment is orgasmic. So. Ah well.
I’m really impressed with these videos. Keep em coming!
Thank you sooo much for making this video u are the most amazing and wonderful TH-cam I ever saw :) ❤️❤️💖💖😊
Actually was watching a video on unstabilised approaches yesterday, they explained how due to stress and tunnel vision crews don’t hear auditory warnings that are obvious...It really shows poor CRM from both pilots and I’m having a really difficult time accepting their stubbornness at the time of being repeated about the altitude and how late they declared mayday...it runs chills down my spine thinking that I’m trusting my life to someone who might get too cocky towards ATC and not admit that they might be wrong
Yeah.. That's why you should never fly with 3rd world airlines, they don't care enough about safety.
@@Isaac-ho8gh trust me, “first world” airlines pulled even worse shit while I flew with them only a flight attendant would notice.
@@MandoMonge which 1st world airlines were shady? I know 1st world ones can be terrible with safety too (any can be), but most 3rd world are statistically less safe and more of those country's governments are too corrupt to properly enforce airline safety lol
@@Isaac-ho8gh American Airlines...
@@EmmanuellaUdofia sorry, I meant to ask which ones were shady which Mando flew with. However, I know United were pretty horrible lol
The 1st time I thought they knew the landing gear wasnt down and were attempting belly landing. This update was great. I had a better understanding of what happened.
In my view it was that decisive moment when the ATC had the option of denying landing clearance or revoking IFR due to multiple altitude and speed violations by the pilot. Why did such experience pilots resort to carrying out these violations when they should have notified the ATC of an emergency situation in the cockpit (if there was any) or perhaps gone for a missed approach as rightly pointed out by the veteran Captain Pierre Mercier of Saudi Airline. As a Pakistani, i really have to thank The FlightChannel for their remarkable efforts in bringing this expert animation and information to us. Thank you so very much. Kudos to you all!
Hands down the best animated aviation channel on You Tube. Top notch production! This channel with a good narrator would be incredible!
Sometimes he even narrates himself!
Its so sadly ironic that the wheels did not come down when needed and did when not
i dont understand can't the control tower or someone in the tower look and see if the landing gear has come down or not?
That is not irony.
Irony has nothing to do with it. This was all pilot errors, including ignoring warnings from ATC, that lead to the aircraft crashing.
The wheels coming down would not have saved them as they would certainly run out of runway. They were too fast and the touch down was too far ahead.
Had the gear come down when requested they could’ve suffered damage due to the plane’s high speed, hence why they didn’t come down. Pilot should’ve done a missed approach but his arrogance killed him
Thanks FlightChannel for updating this video, this seems to be very close to what really happend especially the part where landing gear didn't deploy due to an automatic safety system. Kudos!
"There is no final word on what caused the crash!" *REALLY?*
Then what do think?!?! Why do you think that it takes just a month to figure out what caused this accident. Your just impatient and start making dumb theories on what happened.
@@jubs0000 The approach was too high and rate of speed was too fast. The callout of "GEAR," and the fact that the *landing* was attempted with the *landing gear* UP, causing the engines to collide with the runway, thereby damaging them beyond sustainable flight capabilities. Allow me to help you out with this. You ever heard of the words, "Pilot Error?" It doesn't take nearly 8 months to figure this out. All is not lost because there is one thing that we do know....either my theory is "just dumb," or it's *just you.*
don't worry. The government will tell the Pakistani "agency" to attribute the accident to mechanical failure....they just don't want to lie too close to the obvious happenings....that needs careful preparation.
@@jubs0000 pilot incompetence caused the crash we just figured that out in less than 15 minutes
Great stuff! Thank you sincerely for all your fine work!
As a Pakistani, I will say that PIA pilots are always lacking in training many of the aircraft of PIA have crashed due to Pilot Error. These pilots are there to handle a situation like this one that is what being a pilot means. I even have a story of a person who was onboard flight 8303, it was a man who's job VISA for US was rejected many times and when he finally got his VISA he straight up went to Doha and then to US was his expected flight, while the Pakistani people in the airport accepted his VISA and sent the man to Doha the people in Doha said that no one except American nationals can go to US according to the latest US law. Then the man had to go to Karachi, Pakistan again so demanded a flight but due to the current pandemic there was no flight except one which was a cargo flight to Lahore, Pakistan so luckily he got into the flight and was in Lahore. Now his family and everyone were in Karachi so he had to go there so then he boarded flight 8303 and then you know what happend. My condolences to his family. I have two more stories on the people who boarded flight 8303 if you want those stories comment down below. Likes are appreciated.
Yh true but its not truly the pilots fault
I agree as a Pakistani as well, pia pilots were arguably the best in the world in the 80s and a few people in my family were pilots but now they’re gone to shit due to the government not funding them enough
I'd like to hear these stories. This is so tragic.
I heard about this in the news very sad
A sad story for the man who got his job VISA for the US. Yes, we wouldlike to hear more on what tyou know...
I cannot believe how you've amazingly managed to piece all this together so incredibly well only 11 days after the crash! Wow. I'm very impressed. Thank you!
Pride goeth before a fall.
You are ACES @ making these
EXTREMELY & often very sensitive videos.
Great re-enactment skills.
Very accurate to the info. available at the time.
There should be a world aviation authority that can shut down airlines that are unsafe to operate. It's like taking guns away from children.
Bert Kanne how is PIA unsafe to fly? A bit of unfair bias there
They are banned from flying in many areas by the EU; that's 100 percent fact they are unsafe to fly
Bert Kanne nope, it is due to the fact they are a pakistani airline. An airline such as american has had far more crashes in the past 50 years than PIA. There already is a system that can force an airline to operate better, and PIA pass the test fine.
Passing tests is meaningless when this crash proves otherwise. This airline, and many others, are dangerous and should be avoided. Crash statistics confirm this.
The Pakistani airline flies very few passenger miles compared to large domestic or European airlines. Crashes and deaths per passenger/mile are far higher among these dangerous airlines.
After watching this I feel extremely sad. Heart cried alot. Angry as well. It's crystal clear whose fault it was. Just dont wanna comment behind a person who has already passed away. May Allah grant all of them peace and mercy.
Too much trust in Allah was the problem in the first place.
@@dirkjanriezebos2240 shut up old bag
@@dirkjanriezebos2240 yes u are right 💯
@@haziqshah7 Too much trust in god is a problem throughout the world. People use god as their excuse and motivator. It's bound to go wrong eventually. If that's your thing, more power to you. But it's a flaw when other's lives are involved.
@@dirkjanriezebos2240 so you are saying that if he didn't believe in God he would have survived...wtf mahn..
RIP to all of the crew and passengers
well not all because there were 2 survivors but I know what you mean
Yeah pretty sad!😪
Superb presentation, man, just superb. Sorry I can't give you more than one thumbs-up or subscribe more than once.
The most favored channel on TH-cam by me is TFC. And for a good reason.
This was sad that it even happened. Rest In Peace to all involved.
Really appreciated that you worked hard for us but it would be much better if the caption was on the bottom.
Actually this video has a lot of interesting detail on the bottom part of the video: like the runway, the residential area, around the airport, etc. The text wasn't obstructing any of that. It was nicely covering some clouds instead. I don't mind at all
Agree with that too
Thanks for the update!👍🏼
Your work is greatly appreciated!
Rip to these who died
Except they are not "resting"
Very sad outcome, may they all rest in peace. This looks like it could have been preventable. I know nothing about flying, but it seems the pilots had their own agenda as far as landing goes & wasn’t really taking in any of the warnings.
Great video. Really appreciate all the work you put into each & every one you post. Thank you.
This channel has excellent content. Thank you
These pilots were appraching same as I did when I first playing simulator game. But they were actually flying.
lmao (i shouldnt be laughing at this)
pilot error indeed. rest in peace everyone who lost their lives
ikr? My heart is just so aching right now, probably one of the most ignorant cockpit crew ever!
How can you judge this without the final report?
Not only one error. He has made several errors. Unbelievable. Tbh, even I know how to communicate with atc in such situations
@@tsheikh8653 i didn't judge. (yet) it's clearly a pilot error if you have common sense.
@@almerarosli4133 I guess your heart never stops aching if you watch all these videos.
Love your videos, nice work!!!
The preliminary report was released on 5/22/20 and the crew screwed the pooch, end of story. The flight crew were talking about COVID during the approach and not following the sterile cockpit protocol. They lowered the landing gear at 9,780' AGL and above the 240 kt limit. What gets really bad is at 5 miles from the runway at 1,740' AGL, they RAISED the landing gear, retracted the speed brakes. At 500' the FDR shows landing gear retracted, flaps at configuration 3 (only thing correct), airspeed 220 kts IAS (should be 125 -145 kts) and a decent rate of 2,000 ft/min. The over-speed waring, landing gear not down warning and ground proximity were ALL ignored.
These videos are impeccable! Just bravo!
Another excellent video, this time showing us that amongst the thousands of good solid pilots, disaster is never far away if a captain has more ego than ability. Terribly sad for the families of those lost souls. @TheFlightChannel I wonder if you could please tell us what Sim you use to recreate these flights and especially what add-on you use to show passengers boarding.
Controllers in most countries Would just flat out deny landing clearance with that kind of approach
Probably due to the pilot's seniority (18000 flight hours), they allowed it?
The ATC warned him 3 times
@@mushifalinawaz The ATC guy wasn't informed of the pilot's seniority nor do they have privileges for senior pilots, Pilots are completely to blame, the ATC guy shouldn't have given landing clearance i believe it's 100% pilot's fault but well the ATC wanting some hate so he fucked up giving clearance.
@@microRiZu ATC WERE SLEEPING
Yes. Idk why did he say that okay fine, go ahead and land. He was like I have informed you of everything on my part, but if you still wanna land go ahead it's cool. Like no bro.
WTF were these pilots doing? Was this some kind of suicide mission from the very start? They seem to have ingested some substance that impaired their judgement! "Let's see how many wacky manuevers we can get away with! Wanna'?" Drunk, perhaps? This is too scary and so, so very wrong!!!
BandfromtheBand it seems that the pilot did this kind of stuff very often. Very unprofessional
@Milan we WILL blame them completely, this crash was caused by PURE incompetence from the captain and nothing else. I hope he rots in hell for ending 97 other lives
Milan Seems to me all of the critical and preventable errors happened during the first approach.
@Milan there is no reason not to blame them completely. To say this crash was caused by pilot error is an understatement, it was caused by pure pilot stupidity and incompetence. How else would a perfectly functioning A320 crash?
@Milan the reason for the gear not extending was that the speed was too high. It is a feature in Airbus aircraft (not sure about Boeing). If the gear was to come down when the aircraft was travelling at too high a speed then the forces caused by the air hitting the gear could cause it to break off. The gear then automatically deployed when the speed was reduced
I have been a sub way back when you first started putting these out, love your work. However, this one was extremely painful to watch, just knowing it was all "going to heck in a hand basket" and the crew just didnt even seem to even care. So Tragic.
I am really surprised by this video because most of your videos are about airplane crashes that happened a few years ago but this airplane crash happened a few weeks ago before the video was posted!
As a Pakistani I felt very bad for this to occur... It's true that some pilots in Pakistan aren't actually licensed and in fact, they have a fake license but it is also the Airlines fault too that they let their pilots (With fake degrees) fly planes.. RIP to all those people who lost their lives jn this plane crash 😔☹️
Alarm: **Ringing**
Captain: "Shut Up, you foolish Airplane"
All I can say is bravo. It's absolutely amazing.
Your work is sooo good. The music is perfect . The vidoes are so depressing yet addictive lol great work and thankyou xxx so sad this is. He should have listened to ATC Why cant senior people simply listen to instructions
cocky pilot's attitude killed all these people. Simple as that.
Reminds me how of another accident in Pakistan due to pilot arrogance.
Madcap Laughs the final report isn’t out yet, and you think you can judge the pilots ? 🤦♂️
@@dawaane the final verdict by human error is obvious,why u waiting for the technical report..just stupid arrogance pilot killed all
@@dawaane bro this incident could have been avoided if the pilot listened and decreased the altitude when the atc advices them
He is eagerly waiting to meet his 72 virgins.
Don’t know if it was today or yesterday, but a little girl on the ground succumbed to her burns.
Ramsha Jamil so sorry rip.
💔💔💔
I’m totally addicted to this channel!!!
@TheFlightChannel There are a lot of copycat channels popping up on YT now that you have been so successful. None of them come close to what you are doing. Please keep the videos coming and thanks for all the great ones you have made already.
This all makes sense now. Thank TFC. I really wanted to know what happened. RIP TO ALL PEOPLE WHO DIED ON PK8303
Your comment is all about you saying look at me I am giving out good wishes.
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As a Pakistani watching this these people died in a holy month and right before the joyous holiday of Eid. They were so close to home and there were 2 survivors who said that it didn't even feel like the plane was going to crash. It was all so sudden. And since this happened during the lockdown a lot of our domestic flights had been suspended. They had recently opened up again. Which means that a lot of people had been stuck and finally they got flights to go home and they met this fate. They were so close and yet... May God bless them in heaven. It was heartbreaking the day this happened. As well as the people on the plane...other people on the ground and their homes were destroyed as well. I will say this. It's not just the pilots fault. Most of PIAs planes are faulty and this particular plane had not been maintained since November 2019. There was even an international flight with this airline. They had to have an emergency landing because the doors would not closed..
I am sorry the people of Pakistan suffered such a horrible loss, but the preliminary evidence of gross negligence by the captain is overwhelming. Condolences to the families of all the souls that perished -- they should all be alive right now.
There was no fault with the plane, just an inferior arrogant pilot.
@@lindaross4331 ❤️
Video is to the point and good work. But feeling very sad 😢
I guess the pilots thought they were driving a bus!
they would have crashed that too, taking a curve at 120km/h while being "confident"
Don't insult Bus drivers. They are way more professional than these two morons.
Amazing video. Could you do the 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 Crash in Smolensk, Russia?
I feel like I am the only Pakistani without such a big ego RIP to everyone who couldn’t celebrate eid
Love this video much appreciated
Very good video as always but I would appreciate it if, when you upload an updated version you delete the old version. Thank you.
This is one of the most unbelievable incidents I can recall. It's almost beyond all comprehension that such an experienced captain could have made so many mistakes, and also that the first officer completely failed to properly monitor the flight instruments. Without meaning to pre-judge the investigations it would seem that PIA might have some serious issues with crew training.
I mean .....how could the pilots ....ignore the "GEAR TOO LOW" Warning???!!!!! And why did they evem execute the landing at 181 knots??!!!!!
It could be possible that the audible warning sounds similar for other types of faults? Such as over-speed approach, or steep descent rate? And the apparently overly confident and/or deranged pilot ignored the warning assuming it was for something other than the landing gear?
Distracted?
Overconfident?
Incompetent?
All of the above?
I agree. That seems absolutely impossible, that aural warning it's too much an intrusive sound. There is something we simply don't know yet.
@@kevmed64 " too low gear " can only mean one thing... Your gear is not down at a very low altitude so it is impossible that the pilots got it mixed up
There were multiple warning sounds occurring at the same time.
I remember this crash..an Ex-Colleague was travelling with his family (his wife and sons had returned from London to Lahore after being stuck there for a year due to COVID). He went to pick them up from Lahore, unfortunately no one survived. Mr. Arif Iqbal Faruqi lost his wife and children. He is still fighting the case against the aviation authorities.
Great work 👏👏👏 flight channel