All Engines Shut Down in Mid-Flight | Falling Fast into the Mediterranean Sea (With Real Audio)
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- Find out why both engines of the aircraft operating Tuninter Flight 1153 cut out in mid-flight over the Mediterranean Sea.
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When the captain started praying, it really hit me just how terrifying this would be.
same for me
Did the crew survive?
@@s.ananthkarthikeyan4560 the pilots died
@@s.ananthkarthikeyan4560 Yes, I'm wondering the same thing. It would really be nice to have more specific information about passengers and crew. Especially if the pilots do survive, do they keep their jobs etc.
@RavenclawAtHeart they were not imprisoned, please do mention the frame displayed in your wiki source where it explicitly mentionned that the italian side was also held accountable because of the poor english and reactive skill from the ATC person.
Imagine being a passenger on board this flight. You’d obviously know that something seriously wrong has happened mid-flight. The eery silence and visibly seeing both engines not working.
And only seeing the props turn slowly due to the windmill effect, but no thrust being produced and unusual silence.
FR it's not like a Jet Engine where you can't tell visually whether it's working or not, a prop is in full view of passengers
@@theshermantanker7043 turbo prop is a jet engine
@@sammyzonna8045 No, it isn't. A jet engine doesn't have a prop in front of it.
Specially when you're a former crew. I took a short regional flight on a Cessna Caravan and all I could think about was how to operate the door or how to evacuate in case of emergency (airline operated by very junior pilots)
I’ve met Captian chafek after this accident he is such a strong person.
Rip to those who died on this flight.
I'm glad he survived
But a terrible pilot, he has no place on a cockpit.
Might have been a strong person, that’s great, however when you fly an aeroplane you have to be a competent person.
@@vanya3393 Yes he does. Who are are you to say that. He does however need a shit ton of retraining and emergency training as well.
@@vanya3393 Also considering its an emergency and the fact the issue was not primarily their fault. I don't think the pilots were at fault.
The Palermo atc just didn’t seem to understand the seriousness of the situation
Came looking for this! Palermo ATC sounded incompetent and made the situation worse every time he attempted to speak. Jumbled words, stuttering, no clear confirmations, didn't acknowledge the request for rescue...
@@hyperkoala1758 Agree. He was making the matter worse, since the crew needed to repeat themselves several times to be understood, losing valuable time. Worst case scenario, if the situation was slightly different, he could in fact be responsible for losing souls on that plane. Luckily, they had to ditch anyway (it seemed too late to glide when ATC was contacted), and ended up doing a good job.
He was probably doing all the steps he has too in an emergency, but at those times, you can’t go by the rules you gotta go by reality just like sully on the Hutson
I know!!!!! I was getting extremely frustrated with them and even started wondering if I was interpreting the situation wrongly. It is infuriating to hear their responses.
@@hyperkoala1758 exactly!!!!😡😡😡
I don’t believe the pilots should’ve been charged. True, they could’ve glided to land, but not knowing about the incorrect FQI and what was going on due to the emergency, there is no way they could’ve realized that.
It doesn't matter if knowledge of the FQI was necessary at that point; the constant focus on restarting the engines while they were aware that they were gliding should've have made them triage the emergency better and made them prioritize gliding/flying the plane, period. To me, it also sounded like the captain was panicking more than the FO
@@quantumdecoherence1289 exactly what I thought too! Praying instead of flying.
They should've followed the correct procedures, no matter what. The F/O was busy with that, but the captain freaked out and kept on requesting to restart the engines while praying. That stuff doesn't keep an aircraft airborne. windmilling causes tons of drag.
@@quantumdecoherence1289 Two sets of experienced ATR-72 pilots were put in a simulator. One managed to glide to Palermo and the other one ditched just short of the runway. Keep in mind that they knew what situation they were in. It's always easy to talk in hindsight. They made mistakes but blaming everything on the pilots just seems wrong to me.
@@quantumdecoherence1289 I disagree. There were only three possible outcomes: getting an engine restart, gliding to Palermo, or ditching. Attempting to glide to Palermo would end the chance of restarting an engine and could have led to a less survivable ditching in anonymous ocean rather than in sight of ships capable of improving chance of rescue. They did the right thing, and 23 people survived. That would have been a risky bet with either alternative.
Incredible that these Pilots have to speak a second or third language for their job. Even more amazing they remember enough even in terrifying emergencies.
And just imagine THEY got charged!
Exactly
In today's world it's quite common to study second language from early age at school, particularly English, which is one of the easiest tongues to learn according to many foreigners (me included). Compared to the actual piloting skills, it's figurative nothing, as even an average foreign teenager would be able to speak at that level.
10:03
Commercial pilots are required to speak English.
That's why an airplane has a captain--he is in charge of calling the shots, especially in the most pressing emergency situation where a millisecond could save lives, or kill everyone on board.
In Sully's case, there were a few simulators which showed that had he decided to turn back immediately to Laguardia after the bird strike, they could've landed safely. But it was not a hundred percent guaranteed--it is a gamble for there is a very low chance of not crash landing, especially on a busy city block. But at that spur of the moment, Sully decided to ditch at the Hudson--again, no guarantee of surviving, but Sully and his crew did their best and they survived.
In this case, the captain's firm decision was to restart the engines, considering that the faulty meters showed they have a good amount of fuel left. But when this failed, he decided to land near ships, try a water ditching, and hope that the ships would come to the rescue. And indeed, 23 lives were spared. That was still impressive given their dire predicament. In an alternate universe, the flight crew would've been awarded and not incarcerated.
They were incarcerated?? Now way! It seemed to me, like you said, that attempting to restart was the right thing. I can imagine if they hadn't attempted to restart and it wasn't a fuel issue they'd be criticised for that instead!
It looks to me the Italians put as much blame as possible on the pilots so they could divert attention from their totally incompetent air controller, who was totally useless from the beginning till the very end. I mean, if you're so unable to control your stress, you have no business in being in a control tower, even in a minor airport like Palermo.
I mean what are they trying to get out of this? Every pilot flying in italy now making compromised decisions because they have to fear going to jail if they are dealing with critical life or death emergency situations?
Landing in the ocean and landing in a river are completely different things. Ocean waves can disintegrate an airplane if they are strong enough and hit at a certain angle. You don't have to worry about ocean waves when landing in a river.
In the case of Sully, the only way some of the simulations were successful was because the pilots in those simulators knew what was about to happen and upon losing both engines instantaneously began turning toward LGA. As Sully pointed out, you can’t conduct a simulation without factoring in at least a few seconds for human response to an unplanned event. When they agreed to add a few seconds after losing the engines before beginning the turn to LGA none of them were successful. Not a single one. In every case they crashed short of the runway and in populated areas. Sully made the only call he could, and it was the right one.
Not that it would have affected the outcome, but Palermo ATC seemed to be useless.
the plane declared mayday, but i don't think Palermo ATC did anything in regards to that...
They wished good luck. Not sure what else could have been done. What happened after impact with water? How did some people survive while some unfortunately lost their lives? Was it due to impact? @theflightchannel . Was an evacuation performed with help of boats?
@@ThePoetChannel some for impact and some not being able to escape from injuries and thus drowning
@@npickle54 :(
Sucks doesn't it but if they hadn't ditched near those boats likely everyone would have perished. There's also cold to account for - depending on the water temp; people would have trouble staying conscious more than a few minutes in most places. It's not like being near a shoreline where the water is heated by sunlight and still shallow. I had exposure once while swimming in cold water (about 8-10C). I'd been in there a lot long and I was exerting myself - and despite that I and being in peak physical condition, I almost got into trouble just a few dozen yards from shore! Now imagine being in your street clothes and then dropped into freezing cold water...
@@marcdraco2189 absolutely the stuff of nightmares
The pilots did the best they could given the information they had. I'm not going to begrudge someone for taking a couple of seconds to pray and clear their head for what was to come.
I'd done the same
Even typing this like you are allowing some sort of exception for them, like a judge over the situation, is the reddit that is infested in your mind spewing itself out. God could have ensured everyone lived or died in that spot if he felt like it. Your ability to read this and make sense of it and breathe is in his palm right now. Had one of the pilots prayed to the one true and living God with sincerity, maybe no souls would have been required on that flight.
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@@killout18 What are you blabbering about?
Hmmmmm.......is that really so? The crew did the best they could do ? Please read the report, and the consequential court verdicts. When two airline pilots are handed a prison sentence of 10 years each, for criminal negligent homicide, do we really believe they even tried to do things right ?
They were simply walking around with their eyes wide shut. This accident should never have happened. Basically, the captain flew 4 legs the previous day in that aircraft. He did report the fuel indications were faulty, and the fault was repaired overnight. The guy then next morning sits in his seat, noticing "It seems as if we have much more fuel on board now than we had left last night!". And does not act on that. Commercial fuel indicators are quite precise. Why did he not take time to just calculate what they were supposed to have on board ? And when seeing the actual discrepancy, having the wing dipsticks checked ?
They weren't too clever during the incident. It really should be know by heart that the overwhelming reason for losing all engines is "Our tanks must be dry!". There really isn't any reason for repeatedly trying to restart.
Finally, there are reasons why prayers are not a part of the emergency procedures....
@@killout18 Had one of them actually done his job, no prayers would have been necessary !
On another note. That ATC guy was terrible.
So were the mechanics! way too many accidents attributed to sloppy work!
"Good luck."
@@TheJingles007 The ATC said that when the pilots said they were gonna ditch the aircraft
So were the Captain, he wasn‘t profesional at all
@@waXsurf what makes you say that? Do you know how hard it is to stay calm when you are flying a turboprop with zero power over the sea?
Palermo ATC guy was either sleeping or not understanding english at all.
Such a tragegy ❤️
I mean, being sicilian he probably barely understands italian...
They try to be optimistic and chill about it on purpose. He understood well, but instead of telling them "well, have fun dying in the ocean, lolz", he tried to give them hope, by implying they will make it to the airstrip, safely.
@@Aki-to it would have been quite difficult for them to reach an ocean...
@@itellyouforfree7238 cringeworthy
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Accept the reuploads bro😐 to me its boring but I still agree with your statement 👍
Agreed. Also, do I know you from PTC?
@@aaronj1218 yessir
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This was heartbreaking! Hearing them pray and going through the ditching checklist I really wanted them all to make it.
What makes it so awful is that they were sentenced to 10 whole years in prison for "praying instead of flying", even though they did all they could to save the plane. They intended to ditch near boats (which was the right thing to do as the passengers had the highest chance of survival) and they succeeded in doing so. I imagine that most of the fatalities were caused by people inflating their life jackets inside the sinking aircraft. The pilots were even hailed heroes because they saved the majority of people on board but then they were put in jail simply because the judge is the very definition of an "internet atheist"
@@aarondynamics1311 not that I agree with the prison sentences, but the judge being the “very definition of an internet atheist” is not why they were sentenced
@@aarondynamics1311 10 years??? thats straight up criminally evil, they were given the worse situation possible, its not like you can do much more than pray and keep the plane steady once the plane is slowly descending into the water
@@aarondynamics1311 I suggest that you watch the entire video to see what they did wrong.
@@mauromasterx Exactly - they did all they could
I credit these pilots for fighting right down to the water.
According to the info in this video, there were several conditions that led to this disaster. First, the wrong FQI was installed. Second, the crew did not check the fuel quantity loaded with the gauges before departure. Additionally, there didn't seem to be any enroute fuel quantity utilization calculation (may not have been possible due to the misleading nature of the FQI). Finally, their attempt to continually restart caused a lack of optimal glide rate (distance). Of course, a restart would have solved their problems and they weren't aware of fuel starvation as the cause, obviously. Hindsight is 20/20, so I can't fault the crew.
RIP to the 16.
this, the key problem was that it was impossible for them to know that they actually had fueled out
@@mauromasterx Yes, that was sad.
Even in companies that carry souls across continents, indulge themselves by being cheapskates.
also i learned about the "fanning out of the blades;" with a propeller plane
The fact the pilots were charged for manslaughter is absolutely disgusting. Just the airliner covering their asses and placing blame on pilots. Sick!
I feel for the Captain and F/O, only half of the simulated attempts made it to the airport and that’s with the pilots having full knowledge of what’s going to happen. Being in a life or death situation with incorrect information I think it’s incredibly harsh to put them in prison for 10/8 years.
You wouldn’t be charged for ditching the plane (the 2nd made it 1NM away). Sully didn’t after ditching in the Hudson. What they were charged for is not following correct procedures, maximising their chances of survival by flying at the best glide ratio, feathering the props and deciding to pray instead
@@tomstravels520 on other perspectives, they chose to land where others can hand out help immediately was maximising chance of survival imo
@@user-ck7ur5dk5o I’m pretty sure the ships didn’t or couldn’t help them. They had to wait 25-30 mins for rescue boats to arrive
@@tanishcqmehta9984 Dunno if there are any replays of them mate, just look it up for the details
the pilots were actually pretty crappy from the very beginning throughout the emergency up to the ditching itself which was complete garbage
Jesus they were watching their demise in slow motion. RIP
Im Tunisian, and im really proud of the pilot's performance in this flight.. he did what he could to save the plane but sad ending.. RIP.
You definitely should be too, yet they charged the pilot with manslaughter for not feathering and for 'panicking' and praying, yet the cockpit recordings were omitted from the investigation?!! *What we just heard sounded to me like a CALM and COMPETENT crew* and the simulations were EXACTLY the same bullshit they claimed about Sully - "Two crews flew a simulator at ATR's facility in France from the same starting conditions. By feathering the propellers and reducing the speed to the optimal gliding speed, one made a landing at Palermo and *one ditched* one mile short of the runway. The fundamental difference was that *the simulator pilots knew what was happening* and responded accordingly ". *All this crew knew for sure was that it behaved like it was out of fuel but it COULDN'T be out of fuel* - unless the judges etc were in that cockpit they AREN'T in a position to judge. Disgusting.
@@GeoffInfield They really are. Honestly, I’m so disappointed in Italy. It is a country that I’ve lived for 3 years and truly love but this has put a stain on that entire nation for me. I know it’s unreasonable but I cannot unlearn of this atrocity. I know Italy doesn’t give a crap about me nor will they lose anything but it’s shameful. Absolutely shameful. These poor men will have to live with this horrible tragedy every waking day of their lives. What if they’re so traumatized they are unable to fly ever again whether as passengers or pilots? I mean, the reality of what occurred is already punishment enough. I bet if they weren’t Muslim they would’ve been given much more sympathy. Sad.
This was amazing pilot work! God bless them - ditching in water is a nightmare. Only a handfull few can do this. Also the lives lost was not because of landing but drowning! If the pilot wasn`t well trained they would all have perished.
@Mimi F Tell this to people who care.
@@GeoffInfield What bother me most about those "judges", is who in Italy at the same year, the Linate airport and controlers were truly negligent and caused another disaster between a nordic and an american plane, yet, no one was charged, but here, they charged people who had already paid with blood.
The audio really puts you right there- scary
You really take us through the experience. I feel for the crew, the engineer who helped the crew and survivors out of the plane. The flight channel, thank you for letting me know of these tragedies, you create these with respect and always make them interesting. Have a great 2021!!
The flight crew fought to the very end. May the victims RIP.
@President Trump I'm an atheist that strongly advocates for free speech but somehow your comment looks a tad offensive to me. But then again... your user name.
@President Trump um they were preparing to ditch? if you actully watched the video instead of finding 1 prayer comment and thinking the pilots were incompetent, you would notice the pilots tried their best!
@@cedricye1767 They if not incompetent grossly negligent. And they effectively killed people.
@@thefreedomguyuk No they weren't. They did everything right. They DID NOT KNEW there was no enough fuel.
@@thefreedomguyuk are you a current certified Pilot?
Hey, the pilots saved the majority of the passengers, I give them respect! They were calm and did (mostly) everything they could giving the circumstances.
May the people who died rest in peace...
The flight crew were sentenced to prison the captain was sentenced to 10 years and the first officers to 8 years the court said because they panicked and focused more on praying and trying to start the engines than setting the aircraft up for optimal gliding distance by feathering the propellers which would have given them more than enough distance to land. They had 8 ATR72 pilots replay the same scenario in a flight simulator and all 8 pilots reached both of the airport runways without a problem. Unfortunately the flight engineer survived but he drown while trying to help people escape the aircraft, most of the survivors were seated in the back.
@@AviationNut "8 atr pilots"
those pilots were told that the engines were going to flame out and they needed to glide to an runway.
I'm not saying the pilots did anything wrong, (maybe I did?) but they didn't do too badly given the circumstances...
The First Officer was much more professional then the Captain.
The pilots could have saved all the passengers and kept themselves out of jail if they had performed their pre-flight duties properly.
@@RBK855 ok that might be TRUE but its not all their fault. Ditchings are HARD.
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Hindsight is always 20/20. The crew did their best with the information they had on hand. May the people that lost their lives RIP, and may their families find peace. Sad story indeed.....
Hindsight is 20/20. that should be written in the description of all these videos.
the saddest part was that they all tried their best :( rip to the victims
Please explain what they actually did right ?
@@thefreedomguyuk it wasnt the pilots' fault entirely, they just didnt know why the engines shut down in the first place. it was the engineer's and the person changing the fuel tank (this isnt the correct term im sorry i dont really know much about these things). maybe they did overlook something but it wasnt their fault in the first place and they never wanted this to happen.
@@thefreedomguyuk
Pilots never once Stalled the plane nor enter a Spin with nose straight down that would’ve killed 100% of people.
Pilot realized at that altitude to Glide plane slowly downward to closest Ships that can rescue survivors.
If one Never actually flew a plane, especially a Twin Turbo Prop complex plane you haven’t a clue- your only guessing & repeating what others might of said.
Anytime one survivor can walk away is a success.
Many plane disasters end with 100% dead.
They should have attempted a restart once or twice. If the engine won’t restart by that point, there is something wrong with it and it very likely will not restart. Nothing’s going to happen by doing it over and over. In fact, to have both engines flame out at approximately the same time pushes that likelihood to a practical zero. You’d know it isn’t a temporary issue that randomly happened but a complete loss of a flight-essential service, like fuel or maybe engine control systems.
At that point, they needed to feather the props. So many accidents have involved pilots who could have made a safe emergency landing but either panicking and forgetting to feather or doing this exact thing.
Feather your props, people.
@@Mikinct watch the video again; it states CLEARLY that if pilots took the plane on the right glide path they could have reached land with the strong tail wind; pilots look unprofessional, many times you can hear the captain praying as his "effort" in an emergency situation? come on; he only focused on the ships and in restarting engines when CLEARLY that wasnt going to work; FIRST THING HE SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS FEATHER THE PROPS, avoiding stall and maximize lift on a gliding slope to reach the island
Some additional information I found: The two pilots survived but the engineer was among those who died. Most of those who died drowned as they were unable to get out of the aircraft as a result of injuries from the initial impact. The captain was sentenced to 10 years in prison for manslaughter for praying instead of following the emergency procedures correctly. The first officer was given a sentence of 8-10 years.
Was there any evidence the prayer disrupted the landing? Ditchings are inherently dangerous, even a perfectly executed one can end in fatalities, sea state can cause an otherwise soft ditch to become violent, panicked passengers can cause delays in evacuation. Unless they have some proof his prayer contributed to a mistake that greatly increased the force of ditching I think the authorities are just scape-goating. If anyone should be in jail it's the maintenance supervisor who allowed the wrong part to go into the aircraft, there's reams of paperwork involved in maintenance that had to be ignored for an incompatible part to end up being signed off.
I will fault the pilots for not checking their fueling paperwork though, knowing the weight the fuelers claim to have put in is important for this reason. Many planes have crashed because of pilots not double-checking what ground crews have put in the plane, whether it be fuel or cargo weight.
@@MrMattumbo Well said. I would like to add that water is similar to liquid concrete very unforgiving.
The pilot gets imprisoned but nothing happens to the mechanics that caused the accident. Typical blame game.
Damn right as well, stupid bastards
@@MrMattumbo From the audio, it was clear that there was no further useful action. Ditching in an ocean is bad news no matter how you slice it.
At 8:40 the way the F/O said "call them, please". Just one word: please. But how meaningful. We can't even imagine his feelings.
The very last video of 2020 from a channel I’ve followed for so long now, and a channel that I’ve watched develop and improve over the years. Thank you very much for the content, and may 2021 bring more excellent content from you.
Sad story-- lives lost due to someone's incompetence or maybe a momentary inattention, and no check that the replacement was done correctly. Nevertheless, your uploads are much appreciated as always, and a happy New Year to you and everyone!
I think the main problem was that the ATR 42 & 72 FQI's had the same shape/dimensions, making it possible to install it on the wrong airplane. A small mistake with huge consequences.
@@Bernyoliver the ATC did a terrible job as well
Maintanace and the fuel crew should not get all the blaime,,, are not pilots supposed to fill out a fuel log ? Or at least notice the aircraft seemed light ( 1800kg) on take off .
@@ericwsmith7722 the pilot calculates what fuel they need, its the ground crews job to check it correctly and not rely just on gauges (can dip test it) and its the engineers job to make sure the part was correct.
it's always a chain of errors; have the fuel-loading employees noted they didnt have loaded the required weight into that model plane (they have of course a listing of fuel capacity according to plane model) that should have raised the alarm and notified the crew/airline; but hey, they just went thru without acknowledging for the difference (or even worst, they noted it but did nothing about it !) and then you have the pilot incompetence, only "praying" and watching for boats, instead of following the protocol in cases of total power loss
Hey man I gotta say I appreciate all the work you put into these videos! I usually dont comment stuff like this, but your channel actually in part helped me pursue my dreams in aviation, and now I'm starting aviation school next year. Just wanted to say I appreciate it! Have a great 2021!
good luck in aviation school!
I hope your dreams don't involve being a hero in one of his videos ;) Happy New Year!
If this helped you pursue this dream, you must be suicidal. Jokes aside, I hope it works out for you.
Good luck
Thanks for all the love guys! I do hope I won't be on this channel lol. I guess these videos just help me see the things pilots may do wrong, which is beneficial to my learning
I'm from a little town close to Bari and I remember this news popping in every single local tv-show.. it was such a big tragedy.. RIP
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So, what happened after they hit the water? Did the military ships come and pick them up? Did the people who didn’t survive drown because they couldn’t get out of the plane or were they killed by the impact? So many questions not answered in the video.
I was thinking of the same. Thank you, Phoenix. Hey, @theflightchannel - After hitting the water, what happened next, we could have some information on that too. Thank you.
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Heres the information and break down regarding passengers who survived and perished.
Occupants. 39
Passengers 35
Crew. 4
Fatalities. 16
Injuries. 11
Survivors. 23
One of the four crew members died-a flight attendant-and 15 out of the 35 passengers died. The engineer who died was not a part of the flight crew, but had been called to the flight deck by the pilot and copilot after both engines failed; because he was not officially part of the crew, his death was accounted for as a passenger death. The flight's other flight attendant survived. All of the paying passengers were Italian, while the crew and the engineer were Tunisian. Autopsies indicated that many of the dead succumbed to the impact. Autopsies established that 8 passengers who received injuries during the impact were unable to escape from the aircraft due to their injuries and ultimately drowned. Most of the survivors were seated in the rear of the ATR 72, while most of the passengers who died were in the front. Three dead passengers, including the engineer who tried to help the plane's crew, were found on the seabed. The ANSV stated that the cause of death of these passengers was difficult to determine.
Criminal convictions
"In March 2009, an Italian court sentenced the pilot, Chafik Garbi, to 10 years in prison for manslaughter. Prosecutors said that after the plane's engines stopped functioning, Garbi succumbed to panic, started praying, and failed to follow emergency procedures, and that he could possibly have reached runway 25 of Falcone-Borsilino Airport or even the standard runway 20. Six others, including the co-pilot as well as the chief operating officer of Tuninter Airlines, were sentenced to between eight and 10 years. As of 2009 they had not started serving time, pending the appeals process. The International Federation of AirLine Pilots Association protested the flight crews' criminal sentences, calling the investigation "injustice" and the sentences "flawed."
The criminal investigation and subsequent sentencing caused considerable controversy in Tunisia and, to a lesser extent, in the civil aviation world. The official investigation was accused of being one-sided and of ignoring mistakes made by Italian air traffic controllers. Unedited cockpit recordings leaked to the public demonstrated the Palermo air traffic controller as having a poor grasp of English, failing to assign the distressed flight its own radio frequency on which to communicate, and giving the pilots incomplete and/or useless information about their position. These cockpit recordings were omitted from the official investigation report.
Aftermath;
Tuninter compensated each family of a victim or survivor with €20,000. On 7 September 2005 the Italian government banned Tuninter from flying into Italian airspace. Tuninter rebranded itself as Sevenair and had scheduled flights into Italy again as of 2007.
Many airplane accidents could have been avoided if repair/maintenance crews had done their jobs accurately and with attention to detail!
That's a gross over-simplification of a very complex subject. Or do you mean that people with attention to detail NEVER make mistakes?
@@adb012 People who pay attention to details are LESS likely to make mistakes. And yes, some tragic air crashes are a complex convergence of seemingly disparate events, others boil down to one simple detail: faulty maintenance.
@@suyen4999 Less likely, with that I agree. But "less likely" is not unlikely enough. Mistakes in well motivated, competent and committed people still happen at a rate that would be unacceptable for aviation safety if the result was a crash. That's where all the different layers of redundant safety come into play. That's why the aviation accidents are almost always so complex. One individual failure (human or mechanical) in general is not enough to bring a plane down. Otherwise, with hundreds of thousands of flights every day, it would be raining planes. To put it in perspective, "99.99% good" would not be good enough, it would mean about 15 crashes per day every day.
@@adb012 What you say makes sense statistically. But when an accident such as this happens, what could have been done to prevent it? Something failed despite those layers of safety that were supposed to be in place.
@@suyen4999 ... Some examples:
1- Mistake-proof design: Make the 2 different but identically-looking fuel indicators incompatible wo it is impossible to install the incorrect one.
2- Mistake-proof maintenance procedures: Scan a label in the part that you are going to install, if the part number is not approved for the airplane serial number that you are working on, you don't get the maintenance card that tells you how to do the work and that you use to record the work done.
3- Better maintenance quality control checks: Include an actual test of the system, for example where add 50 gallons of fuel and then check that the indicated quantity increased by 50 gallons.
4- Operational procedures: In the first flight of each day make a "stick check" of the actual fuel quantity and before EACH flight cross check the indicated fuel quantity with the calculation of "initial fuel + fuel up quantity - consumed fuel".
Thanks for all the great videos during 2020, the effort and detail you put into them is amazing. Now it’s 2021, looking forward to even more! Happy New Year from Australia🇦🇺
When The Flight Channel videos show up in Recommendation I never miss to watch them. Thanks for all your efforts
I’m hooked on this channel, scary when I know at some point in the near future I’m going to have to fly. Well done the pilots for landing and saving some of the passengers lives.
I listen with headphones, and it literary had my heart pumping, your videos are so incredible I actually feel I am with them, it's scary....looking forward to more uploads ....happy new year!!
Had me at the edge of my seat. Was praying everyone survived. This was incredibly well done!
Great video TFC! So unfortunate that these things happen. Thanks to you, I hope some people can learn enough to help avoid similar incidents in the future.
Seriously dude. You are doing a wonderful job man. Hats off to you. Keep it up 👍🏻.
This is my absolute favorite channel on TH-cam. Thanks for everything you do!!
The "Engineer" that installed the wrong part was the fault for loss of these people and A/C. Obviously he didn't read part numbers and effectivity.
When you work in that kind of business, where you are responsible for people's lives, you must practice repetitious counter-checks. I am a nurse, and every time I prepared an injection, I checked the drug and dose 3 times before I gave it. I recall once on the third check I found an error, and thankfully corrected it before giving it. But it just goes to show, you simply cannot be too careful when lives depend on your actions. If the engineer had practiced this type of checking the disaster would not have happened.
And the incredibly incompetent pilots.
not only the person who installed but also who inspected as well. Most likely it wasn't inspected after the work is completed.
Some say there was an error in the parts database, indicating that the FQI could be used in both aircraft models.
Ok, maintenance is at fault for installing the incorrect fuel quantity indicator, but the pilots should have set the feathering mode to glide optimally.
Another great video! I tend to agree that the pilots had no way of knowing their tanks were actually empty. I think that they thought by trying again and again, maybe they'd restart. Just a case of a simple error leading to chain of events that ended tragically.
If both engines on a twin fail within 100 seconds of each other, you already know that you are flat out of fuel. Period. Anybody that cannot immediately conclude that should not be flying. Period. Remember that the engines are completely independent of each other. One engine might quit due to a mechanical failure; for both to quit concurrently, you are out of fuel. Now, for those folks who think that landing on water is preferable to a light (no fuel) landing on soil, they are wrong. Water hit at speed might as well be concrete; water is incompressible. If you pancake in on land without fuel fire risk your chances of 100% survivability is way up there. I would have shot for Palermo; if you don't make it, you can pancake it in.
One other thought: flying over water without enough altitude to glide to land is not something I do. Altitude is your friend. These guys did not have much of that; it cost them.
The pilots do not "stick the tank" because that is a high-wing aircraft and there is no ladder to get up over the wing. But you can look at the fuel delivery ticket and see what got loaded. If you assume dry tanks and the ticket does not show enough pounds fuel loaded to make the destination, then you do not take off. Tell the fuellers to go load some more. Nothing worse than fuel left behind in the truck.
The crew may have been able to avoid the ditching, but nonetheless I don't see them as being the cause of this accident. They were incredibly calm and realistic about the situation, even when they knew they would probably die. Very brave
What a amazing channel. Such a tremendous job recreating these aviation accidents. Well done.
The one time I didn’t mind a pop up ad, right before the crash.
*"The Flight Channel"*
Great Work. Keep it up.
You know it's a good channel when the event gets your heart rate up as if you're actually in the cockpit.
I continue to be so impressed with the time and effort that you put into making these video masterpieces of yours...and just to share them with us free of charge! I appreciate your hard work, and the pride you take in it...may 2021 prove to be a year of fulfillment and success for you :):). Thank you.
I remember watching the ACI episode on this crash, but I must say that your addition of the original cockpit voice recordings made your video even better!
Thanks for another awesome year of these incredible videos! *TFC* is in the top 10 on TH-cam! Just my opinion.
Happy New Year to all who is reading this. ✌
Imagine the hopeless situation, falling out the sky. Losing both engines, the impending doom i soon. He tried his best. I hope next year you make more beutiful content:D
Yeah I agree. But I don’t think this is beautiful content because it is really sad
nope, to the point he was found guilt of man slaughter and the sentence reads it very clearly: praying goes totally against the pilot's best effort to save lives !
tried his best???? he literally lost hope and started praying fuck him
I made this comment before I saw the video lol
@@sergf3624 If you were there you would pray so shush
Wow. The effect at 10:30. Thank you for continuously improving the details in your content!
What attracts me the most about airplane crashes is the investigation process. It is so sophisticated. All nations join in. You think other countries don't have the same knowledge, but man so every country has their flight specialists, it's awesome. It is the same all around the world. You can pull up a wreck that happened and compare it to another to see where the issue was. The fact that they go and retrieve the airplane to see what exactly happened, is so awesome. You know, looking for one of those wrecks in the ocean is worse than looking for a needle in a haystack. Great channel.
Great video as usual. I like the brief graphic of the plane impacting the sea - I know it's grisly but it really was well done. RIP to those who perished, what a sorry state of avoidable events that led to this loss of life.
Finally i have something nice to watch while waiting for 2021
Good job finding
dont know if "nice" is the way to describe an aircraft tragedy video 😬
@@MartyFriedmanJr the word "nice" describe the content quality, not the incident
@@enus4206 fair enough. just felt insensitive. imagine a relative of a deceased passenger coming across the comment.
Thanks for the painstaking work you put into these videos.
Fantastic video dude. It’s amazing. You never fail to make me interested in these videos. Happy new year and lets hope for a better 2021 ;)
Thanks man! I’m glad you appreciate my content. Happy new near to you too!! 😊
Great Video and we always have to remember hindsight is 20/20. In simulation you don't have as much stress as a real flight
TheFlightChannel, you don't know how do I wait for you the whole week to upload a video, I make Thursday special because you upload a video
Thanks for the great Work, I appreciate your hard work
Happy new year
I’m a frequent flyer, so I don’t wanna see too many
Very sad. Brilliant re-creation. I appreciate the amount of time you put into the production of these videos. Thank you. 👍
I am surprised no one talked about new year so happy new year!!!hoping for a better year!
This is so sad, the captain when he started praying 😭
The captain is still alive search in TH-cam chafik El gharbi interwiew
This action is not allowed in aviation
He should have forgot about the bullshit prayers and focused more on the task at hand--feathering the propellers and maximizing his gliding performance. #religionkills
@@sciencefriction315 Yes and he been punished for that action
Happy new year Rip who all died everyone survived and keep it up flight channel!
Jeez, TFC, amazing upload, but I think almost all of us agree you need a well-deserved break. Thanks for the upload! Happy 2021!!!!
Thank you for another amazing vid TFC 💓
I believe the FQI design was changed so this was no longer possible and they couldn’t be installed onto the wrong aircraft by mistake
Can't agree more. In many crashes I seen on this channel, along with the crew, bad or flawed design of aircraft's components too was equally responsible. But surprisingly investigators never have hold manufacturer too equally responsible (along with crew) for crash. This crash also no exception. Manufacturer of this aircraft is ATR responsible for crash! In other cases it's Boing or Douglas etc.
@@atuldpatil classic case for the 737 max disaster, and corporate tampering with the testing of "fixed" 737s. all that's needed is a class action suit by the financially hit customers of boeing that own useless 737 max jets, the severe loss of revenue/orders worldwide, and the pandemic to send boeing to the business cemetary.
Changes in design/aircraft components and procedures are often paid for in blood, so very sad!!!
@@atuldpatil There is no Boing in in aviation. May you fly only in a Breechcraft or a Cesstna !
Thank you for the video man 🔥 💯
Another great video! I just finished watching every single video yesterday, so exciting to wake up to one more! Thank you The Flight Channel! You make my favorite content in TH-cam. Videos are absolutely beautiful and tastefully done. All my love to you and wishing everyone out there the best for 2021! Happy New Year! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
These videos you produce are incredible and I look forward to more. You do great great work. Thank you.
Not only the Chicken Captain didnt keep the Vglide speed that could make them reach Palermo. He also stalled the airplane high and made it split the fuselage in half, when hit stalled too hard, which killed most on board. Some guys freeze on controls on emergencies..
he was a disaster indeed
The pilots did an excellent job of saving lives in this situation. I would be curious to know if aiming for the two ships before ditching meant that more people made it out alive or not. Also, if they had been able to glide all the way to Palermo, there is still no guarantee that they would have made the runway, and crashing on land would have probably resulted in more fatalities than ditching in the water. That crew handled a bad situation just about as well as they could have in my opinion.
Another great video from The Flight Channel!
I think the decision to land near the two ships would help those ships doing emergency rescue to evacuate the passengers before the actual SAR team arrive.
Oh thank you THANK YOUUUU finally i'm sooooo excited to see the video i reclaimed many times...big big love from Tunisia
I feel so grateful sitting on my couch watching this video while the fireplace is going and im looking at this Xmas tree i need to take down, thinking thats a big problem. These videos make me appreciate my life more. Love your channel.
I'm guessing in how many attempts at the simulator the investigators managed to reach Parlemo airport
2 out of three... the third crew had to ditch in front of the coast, one mile from the runway
This happened in the case of captain Sully as well . simulator is not human so results can not match
@@uzmajunaid6286 agreed! I was just thinking that: in a sim, knowing what is coming & what you _need_ to do it's a helluva lot easier for achieving the "optimal" result :(
Some mad bs to cover up their mistakes and put the blame on the pilots, The people at the top are sick fucks
@@amari2509 yes and no. Yes the insurance underwriters are employed by money-hungry cockroaches eager to defer blame onto flight crew on order to wash their hands of liability. Hence simulator re-creation after the fact.
However in this case heavy fault falls upon flight crew. Consider:
1 Flight crew were aware of faulty fuel gauges, could have visually and manually checked fuel level and cross-referenced with anticipated travel distance. They didn't.
2 Flight crew had THREE aces in their hands when double engine failure occurred:
A Excellent altitude cushion of 37000 feet.
B High-wing aircraft capable of successfully ditching on water.
C Aircraft with low stall speed.
Flight crew PISSED AWAY all three aces.
Bottom line: flight crew ROYALLY f**ked up.
Pilots handled professionally
10 sene almis pilot ama
Sad for the people that died. RIP Thank you flight channel for the last video of the year. Happy New Year to all👍🙏🎊🎉
I like the intros with this song, gives you the feeling of the accident. Love your videos❤
That one had me on the edge of my seat but sad it was not “a miracle on the Hudson” outcome.😢
Indeed, but they called it a "miracle" for good reason.
I had hope for them, and they did well considering the props weren't feathered, but once I saw the descent rate and the way the plane struck the water, I knew the outcome wasn't ideal.
@@fllthdcrb that was a river too, not an ocean with waves
That was a river not an ocean with waves.
@@socal20001 I was not intentionally comparing one to the other - river/ocean. I was just sad that not everyone survived and had the same outcome as the Hudson landing.
Great job 23 survived,congrats.
Bad job 16 died because the ground crew failed to do their jobs ! No standards in place for checking any maintenance work ? Putting in the wrong part should have been found BEFORE the plane went back into service. Good thing Tuninter is gone now.
Just found this channel today and already love it so much. I wonder how it would be if there was a voice over reading the text.
Happy New Year! Thank you so much for your amazing work! 👍
Not really sure how I feel about this one. If one engine had failed, sure, suggesting that they should have feathered the prop immediately might be a fair call. Immediately feathering both props, which, as far as I know, can't be unfeathered inflight and instantaneously committing to a glide approach is a big call to make, especially considering that both pilots had no reason to suspect that they had run out of fuel. As far as requesting to descend goes, I'm assuming it has something to do with the single engine operating ceiling. Without knowing glide ratio for this aircraft, I doubt they would have made it to Palermo after deciding to ditch either.
The real culprits here are the ground crew.
I trust both the captain and the 1st officer are now pardoned/free of charge. They did their best. RIP to the 16 victims
Nope both are in jail.
@@lukewilliams1666 No, they only were in jail for a decade or shorter. This incident happened in 2005. They would be have been released from jail by now. They didn't deserve jail time. This incident was out of their control. They did the best they could do.
@@lukewilliams1666 Its the ground crew that installed the wrong parts that deserves jail or worse !
...I suppose but dual engine failure at 23,000 is likely a fuel/fuel delivery issue, at over 4 miles up his first priority should have been to set a glide speed to the safest landing strip available, once established, then calculate what altitude they could/need to lose to hit the landing then try spinning the engines with the props. He looses about 800ft/minute in glide, that's plenty over 20 minutes and at 135/140 IAS with a tail wind helping a ground of 2 to 3 miles a minute, so over 40 miles. He should have made it to Palermo, and then try to restart once he knew he could make the landing. His decision to quickly descend seemed to make his situation impossible.
I found this channel and told 2 friends I cant stop watching. Both told me they cant tune in bc they wouldnt be able to fly again. I can def watch these AND fly again🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Just so i remember,i am posting this on new year eve , this year was a great bittersweet year.
Thankyou for you hard work, everyone who is reading this. All of you regardless essential or non essential workers, pilots,doctors ,teachers, people who were laid off, stay at home parents,students
You all have done well
Hope you are staying safe.
There's no way this uploaded just 5 minutes ago. Yall are loyal! Lol
It was uploaded 2 days ago
@@Arounadabout No, no no. It was uploaded 10 days ago.
Man, this is some real deal. I didn't expect that much professionality.
Where was the professionalism??? Praying when they should have been flying???
@@t8283287 how the fuck are you supposed to fly a plane at 200 feet with no engine power?? please explain????
@@t8283287 you make it look like these are two exclusive actions when they are not lmao. I'd like to believe the human brain has evolved to be able to do multiple things at once quite efficiently. You can have your hands on the yoke to fly and pray at the same time smh
@@khash8556 you fly as best you can for as long as you can, praying aint gonna help anybody....satisfied???
@@t8283287 the crew landed the airplane onto the water in one piece, so i would say that the pilots did a good job in flying the plane, especially considering how many other pilots had fucked up water ditchings in the past EVEN THOUGH they were 'flying as best as they could for as long as they could'. the crew only started praying once the plane was about to crashland into the water. what else could they have done at that altitude after exhausting all of their altitude and speed?
Very well done. Thank you for your time and hard work
Love your videos. And a Happy New Year fellas!
I'm skipping the whole part pertaining to the installation of the wrong FQI. It's obvious that was the first link in the chain that led to the disaster.
What's more important in determining the pilots' fault is whether there was a requirement for the pilots to cross-check the amount of fuel in the tanks (using a dipstick or another means) with the fuel gauge in the cockpit?
If there was no such a requirement, you can't blame the pilots (or the ground crew) for not doing so. If there was a requirement to do a cross-check, the fault for this is with the people who were required to do it.
The crew's decision to try and restart the engines (more than once) is perfectly reasonable, given that the information they had was:
- their fuel tanks had ~2 metric tons of fuel and
- there were no warnings indicating any operational issues immediately prior the flameout of the engines
The flight crew's belief that they may not be able to reach terrafirma and perform a deadstick landing might have been further strengthened by the fact that they (with both engines flamed out) now had 2 tons of dead weight in the form of fuel, at least based on what the fuel gauge was telling them.
Imagine how the passengers felt when they could no longer hear the sound of the engines.
Thank you so much for your great videos!
Happy New Year @TheFlightChannel!
It's all very well to say "if everything goes perfect and they immediately go into full gliding configuration, they could made it without ditching." Yeah but that's not realistic, is it? I seem to remember hearing some people say thing about Sullenberger. The reality is they are going to work on restarting the engines if they think they have fuel. Only way they would quickly feather the props and go full glide quickly is if they realized they were out of fuel and that the engines never would restart. I don't fault the pilot for this ditching.
Imagine as a foreigner the USA or any country bans me from entering due to a crime I committed and I just change my name and enter anyway, they would still jail me for a number of years and deport me after. The things companies are allowed to get away with is just ridiculous.
i dont understand why you would get dislikes. the videos are always professionally done and informative. what are they disliking? Please keep up the good work and thank you
Happy New Year TheFlightChannel.