A Routine Approach to Land Instantly Turns into a Deadly Nightmare (With Real Audio)
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:17 Pre-flight Preparation (Flight 1308)
0:56 Departure and Initial Descent
1:25 Approach Controller
1:53 Approach Map to Ajaccio
2:44 Deadly Misunderstanding
3:54 Deadly Clearance
5:23 Collision Course
6:22 Crash
7:03 Investigation
7:45 Pre-flight Preparation and Departure (Flight 626)
8:28 Approach to Moroni
9:03 Real Audio
9:53 Approach Map
10:57 Downwind Leg
12:57 "Too Low Terrain"
13:21 Near Crash
13:53 Long Final
15:26 Stress
16:09 Stalling
17:01 Crash
17:50 Investigation - บันเทิง
I swear on that second accident, that plane was doing everything it could to not crash, but was overridden by some horrible pilots.
At least they'll never do that again, I guess.
@@clqudy4750yeah there up there
I don't remember exactly which video here on this channel. It was the one with the Russian pilot who lets his son "fly" the plane. I think the video creator commented that it was as if the pilots wanted to crash because there were 2 points in their disaster that if they simply let go of the controls, the plane would have corrected itself.
@@W8RIT1 you got it mostly right, the plane likely wouldn’t have corrected itself, but had they just turned on the autopilot at any point prior to the final dive, it would’ve easily recovered
Exactly why I will not fly any Third World airlines. Maybe biased but then it is MY life and so I can be as biased as I feel necessary.
The sheer incompetence of that second one leaves me baffled. How did these pilots ever get certified?
good question
Cornflakes packet
That's a very good question.
the airline was called yemenia, that's explanation enough
Yes, it’s like a panic error made by a private pilot who has only just gone solo and yet you’ve got a couple of experience people on the flight date with lots of automation to help and lots of warnings, interesting I don’t know if that’s relevant or not, but a friend of mine who flew for our national Carrier in New Zealand did an upgrade to a 737 type rating in America, and while he was there, there was a pilot from a very wealthy country from that part of the world in this video I can’t remember the exact country, but apparently the pilot was absolutely useless, but he tried to literally bribe the American instructor with money to pass him when he wouldn’t. He departed and said no problem he will find a flight training instructor that will give him his 737 rating!
I've never piloted a plane, but the split second it tells me TERRAIN! PULL UP! PULL UP! I'm PULLING UP!
Until you pull up too much and it stalls, I guess. :( As was the case with the second plane.
@@lunayoshi First, full throttle!
that's exactly what they did on the second crash, and that ultimately made the plane stall and crash!
@@muitosabaoyou can pull up without pulling up to the moon. In the first video the pilots went 9 seconds without doing anything after hearing “pull up!” In the second video the pilots decided the plane was a rocket and could head to the moon. Can’t pilots just pull up like normal, like they know how to operate a plane or something?
@@hoopdesign I'm not a pilot but on approach you've basically idle thrust since the plane gets more like a glider from your top of decent. All is calculated in a way you land as slow as possible with margin of course. The pilots didn't pull up anything, it's the automatic applied full thrust that made the plane pitch up. As said in the clip, the pilots should actually have pushed the nose down to counteract. You want to keep speed, without enough speed you drop like a brick.
And it's all split second work, once you lose sufficient air flow over the wings you're too late. You can add power etc but all has a delay with a big heavy plane and already close to the ground there ain't much margin.
Flying a plane ain't hard but doing exactly what's right in some seconds in a unusual situation is. That's why pilots are trained on situations they often never will encounter. Both of these accidents where avoidable but that's with a lot of accidents. Humans are pretty lousy if it's about focussing at a lot at the same time and if there is happening a lot around you it's really easy to miss something. Especially when things are unexpected.
If you read the comments you'll notice a lot of super talented pilots who won't make mistakes are actually just commenting TH-cam videos the entire day. Total waste of talent and could make aviation so much saver to have them as pilots /sarcastic
The sheer negligence in both cases is disgusting
Especially the Controller in the second incident doesn't know what he's saying just stuttering and yapping
Not just disgusting, but also scary. We place our lives in the hands of people that may be full of incompetence.
@@tayyub7182 The first incident wasn't much better as pilot let these kids into cockpit, something that was forbidden in aviation.
@@luuduonghy659 Huh? No kids caused either accident - you are referencing an entirely different crash!
@@luuduonghy659What you just said was Aeroflot Flight 593 not that Inex Adria Flight
2nd case: You can't convince me that these dudes ever passed any flying test without bribes.
...some airlines and in some countries are absolutely scary....
@@wokewokerman5280 ATC in the second video were unbelievable. ww win. watca call it. You n n know, that blowy stuff.
Meanwhile on the first video, when the pilots could well have had a missed approach, ATC would send them on a sightseeing tour over the mountains.
In both cases, both ATC and the pilots were a bunch of clowns.
In the second video, After nearly landing in the water. Airbus automation along with both pilots, could not get them back to 1,000 feet without stalling. What right minded pilot sets the autopilot to descend to zero.
Meanwhile, to save interrupting the sterile flight deck, the pilot monitoring had gone off to make some coffee.
Sorry.
I should not be so light-hearted about situations where people died.
@@wilsjaneand that’s the problem I see in the comment section of a lot of these type of videos. A pilot is required to go under arduous testing and training for a reason. Unless the fault is that of a mechanic or air control personnel, I feel as though you can criticize a bad decision made by the pilot to your heart’s content. I don’t care how much stress they were under before the crash, you are literally trained for this.
@@meadahagainThe problem I often see, is the pilots working like parrots and having little understanding of what the controls are actually doing.
The more automation that is added, the worse this is becoming. We have pilots today who would struggle to fly without automation.
A friend of ours is the retired chief pilot of a major international airline. Both she and her successors insisted on regular manual flying. In this situation, the automation becomes the backup and if they need to use it, the realise that their skills are lacking.
They are the only major airline who have managed 55 years without a crash or incident resulting in injury.
Can you name the airline, it's the one that you never see in any of these videos, LOL
@@wilsjane Qantas?
The aircraft tried to save them, but they were determined to fly it into the ocean.
Yeah. For once, the A/P and the computer systems are on the good side
Well they didnt crash into the ocean. But nice try
For once? 50 millions flight last year were on the good side@@ThomasthetankengineE2
@@TheRuben_musicum. Yea they did. They were in a nose up stall and slammed into the ocean killing everyone aboard except a 13 year old girl. Did you not watch the second part???
I commented clearly before I realized there were more stories in the video than the first one.@@jstring
First incident in 1981: The pilots were flying a route that was new to them. They obviously did not study terrain charts before departing, and had no clue they were flying toward a mountain. This is inexcusable. They entered a holding pattern at the wrong speed, which means their execution of that holding pattern was incorrect and led them toward the mountain. Again, inexcusable. It was their responsibility to understand the correct speed required of that pattern. If the air traffic controller had access to radar that could tell him where the airliner was, he could have told the pilots in plenty of time that they were in the wrong place. Instead, both he and the pilots made all kinds of assumptions. Had the pilots told him "We have never been here before," maybe he could have been more helpful. The investigation cleared the controllers, but I think their asking the pilots for the airliner's position would have prevented the crash. Second incident (Yemen): Did this flight crew learn how to fly an airplane? Suppose they had shut off all the automatic functions. Could the Captain have manually flown the plane to a safe landing? One girl won the lottery - she lived to tell about it. It's sad that every other passenger and the flight attendants had to die for this crew's gross stupidity.
The controllers should of recognized by the questions, the altitude and speed and what *they were actually supposed to do" that something didn't make sense.
Both made mistakes but the altitude alone was a huge sign
The poor girl who survived the Yemenia crash told investigators that while awaiting rescue she had believed she was responsible for the crash - because she had been leaning against the window to look out, and so thought she had unbalanced the plane. It was her first time flying - but ask any kid whose done the same and I'll bet they'll have worried if it was them that caused a subsequent - coincidental, planned - turn/bank.
@@user-tz1zo6nu3nwhere did you hear about her full story?
Link 🖇️
How was speed the problem in the first crash? It was altitude. They hit the mountain. They didn't stall
@@micheleh5269 The incorrect speed was the cause of an incorrect turn radius, which directly led to hitting the mountain. Lower speed (still above stall) = ability to turn tighter. Higher speed means a wider turn. Simply put, the aircraft ended up in the wrong place because of that.
In the real audio of the last flight in the video, there is a noticeable silence from both pilots.. they were barely communicating. Shocking.
They just wanted to go in style, and take a bunch of innocents with them. Cowards
@@AlexandreG - Augh. There's no evidence of that.
@winterhaydn my bad for claiming stuff that 10 people will read on the internet without enough evidence, I really should think next time before claiming such things about some suspicious pieces of shit who just crashed a perfectly calm land approach out of the blue with hundreds of people in the plane, thank you
The air traffic controller in the first case should NOT have been cleared. He made assumptions, didn't truly listen to what the pilots were saying, and these two pilots trusted his judgement. RIP 180 souls. The second was 100% pilots' errors - many errors. Wow. I'm amazed young Bahia Bakari survived, may God bless her. RIP 152 souls. Thank you for another great presentation.
Yes! I'm so surprised to hear he was cleared of all charges when he initially made an assumption how the pilots were flying. Should have asked instead.
Agreed, I'm no expert, but you would have thought that the ATC controller would have had a much closer eye (radar, ADS-B) of the flight path. Hell...he had ONE job to do. Again, I'm not an expert, but from what I've watched on flight tracking sites, my Monday morning QB'ing doesn't seem like it is all that hard. In fact, more mundane and repeated over and over. I can get the gist by listening to radio communications at a major airport vicinity and flight tracking sites, or just receive my own ADS-B...ACARS or HFDL can be a tool as well.
That's not how it works though. The pilots are the ones in the sky, and they hold the ultimate responsibility in keeping the plane safe. It is their job to override the controller if they are instructed to do something unsafe.
If you're driving a car and the GPS tells you to drive off a cliff, and you do it, is the GPS at fault?
@@user-rj4vr2sc2d If they were instructed to do something that they knew was unsafe, they wouldn't "override" the ATC controller, they would raise a dispute over the instruction. No, ATC, I am unable to descend to that altitude due to _______. That's not how it works tho....
@@user-rj4vr2sc2d Erm, I think I'd sack my GPS if it did that..
On that 2nd crash I lost track of how many mistakes the pilots made.
Too many to count?
The incompetence of the pilots on the second one is literally astounding.
I don’t even understand how that last flight went so wrong. Baffling incompetence.
Great production quality, especially since you seem to be a one man crew? I don't know how it works but since you don't voice-over and seem to do the editing yourself, learning of the technicalities of each incident, recreating it in the sim and digesting the info and presenting it to a laymen audience, the effort seems immense.
I've been watching TFC for years-- it really is an amazing channel.
The text is sometimes taken from Wikipedia on this channel.
All the info on these incidents is available on Wikipedia - most of what he has displayed on screen has been copied and pasted directly from Wiki. Even the very start of each upload has the exact opening of Mayday/Air Crash Investigation tv show…..the part about recreation made from testimonies of those involved and the crash reports etc. This channel recreates the events using flight simulation software and he does that well, but the info that goes up on screen is copied. Still, it’s a good channel and involves a lot of work. Makes it easy to imagine what happened rather than just reading a hard copy of the investigation report.
I was so sure that the second one wouldn't have any survivors. The fact that she survived is a miracle.
Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable
And she says there was a bomb in the plane
I am so thankful, as a pilot, for modern avionics and navigation equipment. Things like this are almost entirely a 'thing of the past' with the access to so much information.
What I like most about this channel, and why a support it, is the textual commentary. The experiments with voice narration fail with me. But the wonderful, detailed, well written, text is an example of the best in film making.
That last sentence makes me think you are a bot, but then a bot would not know about his voice experiments. That last sentence could only have been written by a bot though, or someone who has never seen written English before in their lives...
That level of incompetence is astounding.
One glaring thing I noticed about the second case was that there was no communication between the pilots. I never heard a single word spoken on the CVR. Only aural warnings. What were they doing up there?
We are all asking the same question.
Yes, the co pilot would have quietly watched them fly into the sea as the altimeter reduced to zero.
Absolutely terrifying.
poor girl
Even worse if you were on board.
@@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm Do you like pantyhose?
@@jaimhaas5170No shit
As always, awesome production values. The second clip, however, left me wanting a LOT MORE from the video. No history on pilots, and a clearer (if any) understanding of the investigation and the parties involved was very much missed. If that was "real audio" I'm thinking to myself that I have not heard a single word spoken between the pilots the entire time under a barage of circumstances that should have demanded constant verbal communications between the two. I found myself thinking after a bit "are these guys high, or what?" I'm going to have to go find other stuff on this accident. Your videos are great generally--more info on the second accident would have been great.
In the second clip, ATC sounded drunk, or at least had serious difficulties articulating. I´m not sure the pilots were ok, either. Very strange. As you wrote, more information would be nice. Rather one event per video than two abbreviated ones.
Well, I remember the ATC guy was really slow but he seemed clear. But, it was just one thing after another with those guys. I gotta find out more@@flybywire5866
I can recommend Mentour Pilot for great detailed insight in such kind of accidents.....Flight Channel is awesome too...
@@flybywire5866 maybe some low oxygen level? they were low so should not be an issue but they seem intoxicated
Completely agreed!
I've looked everywhere to find Bahai Bakari's book "Moi Bahia, la Miraculée" in english, but I don't see any translated editions. If anyone knows how I can get my hands on that book in english, please lmk. What an incredible story - 12 years old, stayed in the water with a broken collarbone and pelvis for 13 hours overnight until she was finally rescued! Incredible story of a young lady with a strong will to survive...even knowing her mother was no longer alive. This is one hell of a story.
Get it in digital version in French then copy paste each paragraph in a translator online. ✌️
What is not said in the video is that the circling approach on runway 20 in Moroni is particularly challenging. There is actually a hill (not shown here) near the 20 final. You can’t just extend even a bit the downwind leg, you have to be fairly close and the final is necessarily short. You are stabilized on final only at around 300 ft. There are lights which must be operating at night to provide some guidance. This is way over the level of competency of those pilots, who couldn’t even control even a basic flight path at night, like making a turn without descending, according to this video.
WTH, the captain had no clue as to the elevation of the terrain around him and the controller had no idea where the aircraft was and sent it straight into the mountains!!! My gosh, nobody knew what the hell was going on!
they waited 9 sec while the plane was screaming Terrain !.... I'd be on that yoke
and throttle in a heartbeat regardless of anything else. you can get your bearings
later.
@@danielkokal8819 His brain was trying to process what he was not expecting to see. Pilot instinct left him and he could only react after he could work out why. My guess, is all; but shouldn't training throw these instant curve ball at pilots?
3-5% of people in every occupation are going to be terrible at their job
The second crew totally lacked situation awareness and seemed to have little understanding of proper aircraft control/flight dynamics. Never should have been in a cockpit.
Yep, and because they were allowed to become pilot's, they killed all those passengers and the flight crew.
Just like the TNFlygirl that crashed recently. If you don't understand the basic mechanics of HOW an airplane is able to fly, you're gonna do something stupid eventually.
how hard is it to monitor your 2 basic instruments, speed and altitude. "all this equipment to monitor" speed and altitude tells you 80% of what you are doing.
You mean the speed and altitude instruments that were registering -1000ft and -1000kph at times?
In the 80s we had a horrific approach into Preswick Scotland aboard a British midland aircraft. Looking out the side window you couldn’t see the wingtip. The turbulence was so severe that the over head bins opened up. I was a young Marine and I was with a Corporal from our unit. At first we were laughing but then our wing tip dipped and kept dipping. I looked over at the flight attendant and she was petrified. The plane leveled out and everyone was screaming. I honestly thought I was going to die. The turbulence was even worse and the engines were screaming. I looked out of the window and saw green but no runway. We slammed into the runway and the grass. We shuddered went airborne and slammed back down. Slid sideways and then straightened out. As we taxied to the gate the pilot said in his Scottish accent. “Thank you for flying British Midland airlines. We hope you enjoy your time in Preswick or other Scottish adventures” As I was leaving the plane I asked the flight attendant for her number, what is the worst that could happen after that. We dated for a year after that…
good work
@@Jimbo-qd5zz ?
Hoofing dit Royal.
@@jameshardy6277 WTF are you saying?
If you don't know what 'hoofing dit Royal' means then no way were you in the Corps.
@@eshelly4205
Amazing the youngster, Bahia, survived after clinging to wreckage for thirteen hours. God blessed her.
So God chose to bless her and let everyone else die?
@@RoamingHeathen Yes, obviously.
@@RoamingHeathen Proud to be a heathen, right? Bruh, you need to humble yourself, creation didn't create itself! Read the Bible for yourself, I guarantee it will surprise you.
@@jamespenny9482 😂😂😂 telling other ppl to humble themselves while ar same time belittling them. Classic christianity. If "creation" needs a creator, that means the creator needs a creator too. Also by letting all those ppl die for no reason, and keeping her alive to live with trauma, is no present. Suffering is many times worse than death.
@@jamespenny9482clearly you haven't read the Bible or the insurmountable number of contradictions and errors would surprise you.
There was a young 12 year old girl who survived the second crash- the sole survivor. Her name is Bahia Bakari and she released a memoir in 2010 including her experience. She was approached by Steven Spielberg to make a movie out of what happened, but she reportedly declined him.
Spielberg is on the Epstein list ofcourse he approached a 12 year old girl
The second one is sadly not the first time an airliner has crashed because of the crews inability to fly a visual circuit in the dark. Gulf Air lost an A320 in 2000 after a go around ended up with a botched circuit and a crash on finals. Worse still Gulf Air did there level best to blame the aircraft and not the crew even after the CVR was released and proved the crew ignored multiple "pull up" calls, along with being all over the place when it came to height, speed, and headings.
If you could do the 1988 YAK-40 crash in Bulgaria, because of being pressured by the communist leader Todor Zhivkov back then, who was in a rush, the plane (YAK-40) took off earlier and crashed, then his Tu-154 plane was taxiying over its debris and had its uneventful flight.Sofia-Varna flight 2nd of August 1988. All Bulgarian plane crashes fall into mystery, we do not have a single one uncovered. So would really appreciate a video about if not this one, any other Bulgarian related.
Who TF taught that second crew how to fly an airplaane?? Damn! Or how to fly a circling approach?? Damn!
Very good animations and visual effects. Thank you for highlighting this disaster for all to understand.
I remember that Ajaccio crash, it was a kinda two day trip if I remember correctly. And tickets where cheap, so the trip was sold out, the interest was that high, so much so, that officials did not know who actually boarded the plane, so for a next couple of days they played the list of all people who showed the interest in the trip on the television...
Where did the crew of the 2nd airliner get their pilot's liscense?
They probably bought them.
@@sarahalbers5555😂
In the first crash, why have that holding pattern over land at all? They could've done the same thing over water and then line up their approach.
It's because if there are other aircraft about to land ahead of them, so they have to fly into a holding pattern. If there's no aircraft in the pattern, then ATC could've told them to fly the shortest route. ATC in this case were incompetent, as were the pilots.
but it wasn't a busy airport, and all that area they have over water...
@@kevinmalone3210
Pause at 3:54 To get from the VOR to an over water holding pattern a plane would have to fly directly through the approach path for the airport, much safer to keep aircraft on the "same side of the road" as the VOR rather than sending them through what is likely a busy corridor in the summer holiday season.
Having watched about 300 accident case studies like these until now, I can positively conclude that 95% of all disasters could've been avoided if the pilot would be forced to look at his friggin artificial horizon at least once in a while...
All these elaborate explanations, explaining somatographic illusions blah blah blah are just describing the symptoms, not the cause. The cause is that pilots over the last 50 years somehow fail to check the single most crucial instrument right in front of their faces.
You are soooooo right...!!
The aviation industry as a whole, instructor pilots, and instrument qualified pilots all know and acknowledge what you are saying. However, until you have experienced 'vertigo' while in the 'goo' at low altitude doing 150 knots, you have no idea how difficult it is to overcome millions of years of evolution developed 'balance.' Needless to say there are hundreds or thousands of cases where the pilots did overcome this difficulty by using their instruments. We only read or hear about the ones that didn't.
The essence of instrument flying is to learn NOT to rely on your feelings but on the instruments. Always remember the basics; knowing the attitude (artificial horizon attitude indicator) and power at all times. A level attitude and cruise thrust are where you reset to when confusion reigns.
It is hidden out of sight. just like airspeed and height. cockpit designs are terrible nowadays with so much crap obscuring vital indicators
I har what you are saying, but they are examples of instrument failures, and the pilot used his instruments to their deaths.
second one feels like ,High work load and flying on instruments to a third world airport by a crew quickly out if their depth
3rd world airport?? Just bc they have an accent? Pilots were the idiots
@@flyguyry1 only you mentioned their accents
I enjoy your videos. I had to 'rewind' the second incident a few times b/c what I was seeing and what I was reading were two different things. If the overhead view of the approach been aligned with magnetic north or at least a "N" symbol on the map, it would have been easier to follow.
Cleared of all charges is ridiculous
Complacency and blind routine-following on the part of the controller here killed those people in the first crash.
Why do pilots ignore warnings? The system is yelling Pull Up Pull Up Terrain Terrain yet the pilot continues flying as if it's the turn signal of a car in North Carolina that never turns off.
Great video as always. Really enjoyed this one
It just started, you haven't even watched it yet how is it great? Maybe you should watch it first.
@@JSFGuyLegend has it that he still hasn't watched the video yet
Nice job as usual. 👍👍 Crazy how inept these pilots were in both cases.
Well presented video concentrating on the essentials needed to see what occurred. Because visual circling approaches require manual memory muscle flying skills, automation can't be used to help these poorly trained pilots. I have done many 600 foot circling night approaches in the mountains, and made sure that one set of eyes remained in the cockpit to monitor speed and altitude. A sad and unnecessary a tragedy.
What happened to the single story, unique, aircrash videos?
It seems rather daft that 0ft is a legitimate option on Altitude Select.
Kinda like the burn it to heck setting on toasters
At least give them an aural warning/red light illumination or something, it's a dial too so I could imagine you setting a low alt then moving your hand away and accidentally lowering it further. Odd, possibly dangerous...
It should have been set to go-around altitude for that runway.
But to answer your question directly, there are airports which are situated below sea level, so even a negative value is a valid altitude.
Setting the autopilot altitude to 0 is never a good idea unless you want to crash...
I swear to pieces, if I am a pilot and I hear the words "PULL UP", I would probably OVER REACT to the command!
Yesssirree, that command given for a reason!!!!🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@R_love45 If you are already too low there is not much chance of exiting a stall.
And that’s one thing you should NOT do - overreact. That’s what gets you into a stall.
Well thank fuck you're not a pilot 😅
That was intense ! Thanx for sharing !
I remember seeing pictures of the wreckage of this inex Adria plane on the side of a mountain. Apparently,the bits were left there for years,and there was a clean up in 2008,with a memorial plaque being placed where the wing impacted the ground,(I think).
The pictures were very sad to look at xx
Imagine seeing that jet flying a hundred feet above the surface of the sea with its landing gear out.
I would've been like wtf
I I were in a boat I'd a had a heart attack.
My favourite channel on TH-cam
I don't understand the pilots on that second flight. It is obvious in several instances that things are amiss. Why not abort the landing, climb and reassess?
So they didn’t have radar installed to follow the flight path and altitude of the inbound aircraft?
How is it possible they didn’t detect it?
Nice job as usual !
In memory of no one...
That was a very unfortunate omission, not even the (2) seconds that we normally get.
Wow… these pilots were qualified to fly paper airplanes. Nice quota system at work.
No, they weren't even qualified to fly paper aeroplanes.
No quota system. The world is not the same as your country
The second plane wasn't ready to crash but the pilots forced it to. Going down with innocent lives
In the first accident, does air traffic control not have access to radar and actually see planes? I always thought that was the case instead of strictly relying on verbal communication for determining location and headings.
There was no radar in AJo in those years.
Love your videos thank you soo much!
Great reproduction as always.
I wonder though how the flight lost altitude every time it turned, first -2000 and then -1000 Ft.PM. Could it be due to the tail wind?
Because the pilots were flying manually and not paying attention to the altimeter. I cannot comprehend how anyone can fly an a/c and not look at the altimeter and ASI constantly.
Wind direction does NOT affect an airplane aerodynamically while it is flying thousands of feet high. Wind direction is relative to the ground so it affects groundspeed, never airspeed (except for random turbulence and wind shear which were not in play here).
They weren't monitoring their airspeed. They simply failed to fly the aircraft properly.
@@kevinmalone3210 Actually, they were monitoring their airspeed (likely) when they sank. Looking at the simulation and CVR, their airspeed remained constant and there never were any alarms. Planes descend when they are not achieving enough thrust, not when their airspeed gets too low.
That first accident I'm still blaming the damn air traffic control. Don't they have radar to see exactly where the damn plane is?
I don't think they had kind of tech yet in 1981. It was probably because of events like that one, and maybe others, that the technology would be improved upon. Like they say, the laws of aviation and procedures are all written in blood. Well, sign me up!
05:57 06:09 Thanks for the big white arrow. I couldn't possibly have noticed the plane without it.
I've watched this three times I still have no idea what this Yemenia crew were doing. Even when the aircraft was climbing vertically like a rocket and was about to stall, the PF still didn't think he should lower the nose incase he hit the sea. What the hell?
In real life, the plane was at most 30 degrees up, nowhere near vertical and much of the time it was only a little steeper than a typical climb attitude. This youtuber is notorious for getting the animations completely wrong in their videos. When the stall warning first sounded the plane was less than 20 degrees nose up, a completely normal attitude for that plane in a low level climb. The crew were focused on the lack of roll control, that's why they didn't recognise the nose was higher than it should have been
Does anyone know the name of the musical piece that starts at 7:12 minutes? It’s in a lot of TFC’s videos, but I can never find the name of it. Thanks to anyone who can help, and thanks to TFC for another great video!
I wish I did. I like it too. :)
how does he get the traffic to match the time era?
For Example in the video about the Hughes Airwest cash and PSA 182
Visual approaches are only used if the pilot flying can visually see the runway. If he loses sight of it the approach should be abandoned and a missed approach initiated!
great video! what sim and plane did you use for Flight 1308?
I swear even if it's only animation, watching the plane plummets to the sea still creeps tf out of me. The girl who survived... I can only imagine how it felt to be a 100 tons tube free falling.
Why does the alpha floor protection not put the plane in a stable climb configuration? If it occurs it is likely the pilots are already overloaded and behind the plane. Expecting a nose down input soon after a GPWS or pull up alarm is counterintuitive at the best of times - let alone when you cannot work out what is happening.
Their problem was poor training and lack of experience. Plenty of pilots fly these same airplanes everyday in worse situations than this and do so with skill and competence. Had the the airplane been built to assume a stable climb in all circumstances (i.e. fly itself) these two might have been able to handle it. But then they really wouldn’t be needed, would they?
Man its shoking to see that
These accidents show how incredibly important good, clear communication between the two pilots and the pilots and ATC is. No radar? RIP ❤❤
Number 1 rule of flight - FLY the airplane. It's a skill that's diminishing with automation.
I'm surprised anyone survived an airplane nosediving into water!
At such a low altitude and speed it likely didn't hit the water as hard as an aircraft nosediving from many thousands of feet.
In the actual crash, it never nosedived, it impacted the water in a nose up attitude with low speed. The animation is grossly incorrect.
This is so saddd great video tfc
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm Between the two flights, 232 people died. Just heartless?
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Re 2nd 🤡 Landing: I have zero experience/knowledge of piloting anything but an automobile so am I missing something when I ask how in the world does a crew member 'accidentally' input "0" for an altitude??? I believe there was an attempt at explanation but I didn't understand.
....otherwise I might be too frightened to ever fly again after seeing this lol.
"mishandling"...meaning somehow he twisted the dial all the way to zero without realizing it
You should be safe on domestic main line carriers. Otherwise you are taking a risk. The more obscure the air carrier and route, the greater the risk. Private carriers are worse yet.
@@deepthinker999 does that include the discount airline like Spirit and Frontier?
@@RatPfink66 exactly, that's what I'm asking, how does that happen? They're supposed to be professionals.
@@joonsmelodie9927 No - Spirit was caught applying duct tape (or something similar) to a wing. Discount means that corners are being cut to remain profitable. That is pretty much an axiom in business. The money that you save is not worth the risk in my opinion.
So, if it weren't the first time using AJO VOR, the flight crew would not follow procedures with as much precision as possible????
" circle to Land " is a killer 😢😢
Only if you fail to aviate.
so in the first one would ATC not see them on the radar and then relize that they are in the holding pattern?
Nope, they didn't have radar in 1981, probably don't have radar today, it's a tiny little place.
Always be wary of what airline you select to fly.
I wish it were so simple...even the best airlines have accident records unfortunately...
@@amirahal-wehbiFacts. You can never truly pick your poison
Wow! Amazing how poor situation awareness was in both. Thank you for sharing.
The first one seems very similar to TWA 514 in 1974. Instructed to descend too low, bad weather and poor visibility. They also couldn't see the mountain
Bad situational awareness. It seemed like the pilots weren't even scared or paying attention when stalling
What was the MDA on the circling approach plate chart?? Did they fly it? I guess not.
Great video - But I have no clue exactly what was happening with the second video. How did they continuously get so low to the ground?
(I think stress lead to the ulitimate loss of control of the plane).
If you're hand-flying and your reaction to getting too low is to pitch up, repeatedly, and never increase thrust, plane will ultimately stall. At that point, with the pilots not even reacting to stick shaker, the plane set thrust to TOGA on its own, but then pilots' only reaction: pitch up. The pilots were severely out of order.
They continuously got too low because they failed to execute a basic maneuver - holding a Rate 1 turn while maintaining altitude. When you execute a turn, you must monitor your altitude and/or vertical speed. If the aircraft is losing altitude, proper pitch correction is due. PF was not doing that, he attempted several turns and lost all the altitude resulting in GWPS warnings. I don’t understand the altitude setting of 0… You are handflying… your altitude setting should be changed to the go-around altitude published for every runway in the charts.
Nice channel 🎉🎉
The approach described at 02:00 is for runway 03 and not for runway 21....
It always affects me on an emotional level when I think of the passengers. Their final moments spent in sheer terror! Hopeless, Helpless! To this day, I'm still haunted by AA191 on May 25, 1979! That photo of the plane 90 degrees to port, engine missing, trail of mist from the wing! I was sitting in Dormitory TV Room.with my.Girlfriend of the day! We both wept quietly as the reports came in.
I am wondering about ground radar ???
Seems the tower couldn't see where the planes were.
I'm not an aviation expert and I watch these videos for leisure in addition to educating myself on the complexity of the aviation industry (I also get help from a lot of the people in the comments section who works and used to work in the aviation industry) but in the first video, I don't think the blame should be placed on the pilots ENTIRELY because firtsly, the ATC officer started the chain of events leading to the disaster, did he not? Well, the crew did commit grave mistakes on their part but the ATC officer did worse I think and they committed the FIRST mistake here and the fact that they were cleared of all charges is beyond me. If I'm mistaken or missing something here, somebody explain it to me, thank you.
If you’ve looked at a lot of accidents, you’ve probably noticed in almost all cases, “blame” is not a good word to use, as accidents are usually a chain of mistakes(though for the second crash in the video is a rare case of pure pilot fuckup). In every day flying, people make mistakes all the time, and nothing happens. Rarely do several mistakes line up so perfectly to cause a crash. You could argue if any of those mistakes didn’t happen, crash wouldn’t have happened. You can’t necessarily blame the first mistake, especially if it wasn’t a severe one. The real question is, how can procedures/systems/training be changed to make this chain of events close impossible. In some rare cases, it’s also ok to declare something an unpreventable freak accident. World is chaotic and crazy shit happens for no reason all the time
First one cleared atc...
Lots of questions to ask. did they not have radar?
Yes, they did not. A small airport in 1981 couldn’t justify the expense of the equipment and operators.
17:47 - Is that final angle and speed even remotely accurate? How _on Earth_ could there be a survivor from an impact like that?
what flight simulator did you use?
The Yemeni one was like me trying land that damn airplane playing Pilotwings for Super Nintendo.
Why would this be a night approach at 8:53am ? (Inex Adria at Corsica)
Totally harrowing 😩
That's a long time with that plane going nose up and then down.. could you imagine the passengers.. oh my God😮
Second video - did they mean to turn North (0 degrees) as part of their approach, but misselected 0 altitude instead?
In Corsica accident the pilots coud have made a right turn away from the mountains.
On the second one, did they literally forget how to fly the plane?!😮
It sure looks that way. Those two needed to not be allowed to fly commercial aircraft. They not only killed themselves, but took over 150 crew and passengers with them.
Yes. That’s exactly what they did.