Airbus A320 Crashes in Pakistan | Here's What Really Happened to Flight 8303
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- Pakistan International Airlines Flight 8303 was a domestic flight between Lahore and Karachi, Pakistan. On 22 May 2020, the Airbus A320 operating the flight crashed a few kilometres from the runway, while on a second final approach to Jinnah International Airport, after a failed landing. Find out what might have happened.
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I worked tremendously hard on this video. However, some animations might not be 100% accurate as the accident occurred just four days ago, and there is not much data available. As soon as more information is released, I’ll make a new and more accurate video. Also, I would like to express my deepest condolences to the family of those who have lost their loved one onboard PIA Flight 8303. 😢
EDIT: Here’s an updated video with better information: th-cam.com/video/zO5rXxJRmf4/w-d-xo.html
Nice video and rip 97 people
It's fine man take your time and gather research, we want accuracy not speed.
My friends father was on this flight, may his soul rest in peace....
@@furqanqureshi1811 damn bro, RIP...
You did great. Thanks much for your hard work and dedication, it’s sincerely appreciated. Keep up the fabulous work. The Flight Channel is one of my favorites of a short list. Condolences and thoughts to all involved.
As an active A330 captain and having flown the A320 for more than 7 years allow me to make following remarks:
1. During the first approach the aircraft was obviously quite high (possibly also fast) and the gear seems to have been forgotten up apparently as a result of focusing too much on making the landing and avoiding a go around (which could only be just a little embarrassing and nothing more). Approaching high (and fast) can happen in everyday operation as a result of accepting shortcuts by ATC or just simply mismanaging the approach. The safest course of action for that is to cancel the approach and request new vectoring and not force the approach and landing.
2. No pilot makes a belly landing without first completing the relevant checklists and informing the tower. The warnings were for some reason ignored (continuous repetitive chime and most probably also the “TOO LOW GEAR” which by the way cannot be cancelled unless the gear is lowered or a go around performed).
3. After watching a video of a runway inspection it appears that the aircraft touched down with its engines 3 times before going around.
4. As a result of the engines scraping the runway, it seems they got damaged and failed after a while leading to a dual engine loss as also evidenced by the extension of the RAT (Ram Air Turbine) which also comes out automatically if the two engine driven generators are lost.
5. On the second approach the landing gear was down as seen in some videos (so no malfunction) and the aircraft crashed with a very high pitch up attitude which implies it was very near a stall (roughly around 100 knots) obviously in an attempt to delay the crash as much as possible. It is very possible that the gear was lowered quite early after the go around and before the engine failure(s). This explains why the aircraft struggled to climb as with only one engine operating (assuming one failed first) and the gear down the aircraft climb performance is seriously affected. Finally, had the gear remained up, the aircraft might have made it to a more open space near the airport if not to the runway. The gliding performance with gear up is around 3NM/1000ft compared to gear down which is around 2NM/1000ft (meaning that for every loss of 1000ft of altitude the aircraft travels 3 and 2 nautical miles respectively-/1NM=1852 meters).
All this is of course hypothetical and we have to wait for the official accident report to find out what really happened.
Great analysis, seems true, given the circumstances
I have been asking around about this very thing. The moment I saw the video I told my wife "That plane was stalling", then as the news of the engine hits came out, I looked at it again and I wondered what the gear was doing down during a glide.
I don't know if keeping the gear up would have given them the 1300 meters of glide necessary, also they were far from the apex of the racetrack (looked a bit earlier than the final turn) but at that point, even sliding across the runaways would have been better than coming down, nose up, in a populated area. The pilot sounded calm and in control, but I suspect the cockpit was blaring alarms and they weren't thinking straight.
Bizarre.
Plausible explanation of the sequence of events. Indicates terrible lack of judgement on the part of the crew.
Hmm, good thinking, but it could be possible that the a320 was flying too fast for the gears to extend, maybe it has a system preventing it from being extended at high speeds due to the risk of the gears being ripped off by the wind
*+Angelos Nikolinakos*
Wow, you beat me too it. I was just about to say all that. Though, I'm no pilot but I do watch a lot of aviation videos, and when I was a kid, I was allowed to help the flight attendant hand out the boiled sweets, so I'm clearly an expert.
Seriously, well explained. Thanks.
I am a young flyer and during one of my flights From Hyderabad to Delhi in India, the weather was harsh and pilot took 3 go arounds to land the plan and everyone was cheering for the successful landing but no one was disappointed by the delay. There is no shame in failed landing, life before anything else.
As an experienced flyer, I think you flew in the months of July or June , the weather around IGI airport stays that way most of the time. They usually round above the air till ATC gives clearance
@@thanos8948 yeah, Delhi landing is quite freakish during stormy seasons but more than that is south india's turbulence during rains and heavy winds
@@vipulkaushal1597 oh I remember the turbulence I experienced in Bangalore to Jaipur flight. I looked at my dad and our eyes said “that’s it”. Everyone started praying and a complete silence took over. I could feel the plane going down so fast. But after some minutes, the captain announced that the situation is under control. I almost cried when we landed safely. Mad respect for the pilots who keep calm and manage the situation under so much stress.
So true. Respect
Delhi rocks!
That there were two survivors among the passengers, and no deaths on the ground is an absolute miracle
It is difficult to believe that there were no deaths on the ground.
Weird miracle. 97 still died.
i would abstain from calling a crash where 97 people died a miracle, id rather say that those 2 survivors beat the odds against them
jjaus It crashed into a building though IN AN inhabited residential zone and nobody on the ground died and the fact that the 2 who did survive werent in critical condition (1) might have been is a miracle
@@lladoandy
I rather think Laurence Haguewood is saying that the fact that no-one ON THE GROUND lost their lives IS a miracle....in such a densely populated area:
I would have expected fatalities.... many, if not more than those aboard the aircraft.... That. THAT...is the miracle to which Laurence refers. OK?
The pilot's attitude was higher than the plane's altitude.
Well depicted...
😁😁khud margaye.
Aur sathiyom ko bhi maardiye.
How Sad due to few sick ppl
Absolutely..Just like everything else in Pakistan, most of the pilots are fake, as confessed by their Civil Aviation minister in Parliament..Many have fake licenses, and others have bribed their way to the license, without fulfilling the eligibility criteria...Pilots are hired based on their political connections - not on skills and performance. Europeans were right to ban all Pakistan pilots, as you never know if he's an auto rickshaw driver converted overnight to be a pilot
@@virenk859 Born to speak trash.
@@virenk859 too harsh bro.. You are keeping all in one bracket.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how much effort this guy puts into his videos it’s amazing thanks m8
Average Gamer - video, fine, "manna for the masses", technical dialog is much more informative.
Yeah far better than overdramatized air crash investigation.
... except for 0:40 ... May 22TH ???
the creator added speculation as fact and ruined it. "gear didn't go down" - provide document of this. "they decided to do a belly landing" - provide documentation of this. thumbs down
He chooses to do it and gets paid for it. What’s there to appreciate
Well that captain ignored and violated practically every rule in the book. Unbelievable.
true
MrPLC999 they have such a lax safety record they are not permitted to fly in American airspace
@@robertstalnaker5728 ALSO KNOW AS DOUCHE BAG, SOCIOPATH PILOTS THAT WOULD RATHER KILL ALL ONBOARD, INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR HELP. RIP.
@@robertstalnaker5728
As of April, they have permission to operate direct flights into the USA. This appears to be less about aeronautical safety and more to do with terrorist threats. Just FYI.
Please please please, do NOT make fun of the pilot, or co-pilot as the struggled very hard to save the lives onboard. We do not know what happened until the real reason is released.
You don’t “attempt” a belly landing. And you certainly don’t do one without letting ATC know.
PILOT ERROR over confident PUSS
No , a belly landing should be prepared a lot.. also with foam on runway and fire equipment st.by, involving ATC.
They didn‘t attempt a belly landing. They weren‘t aware that the gear hadn‘t extended, because they were so focused on somehow fixing the messed up approach. Gear probably didn‘t extend due to overspeed from the steep dive... ATC should not have cleared them to land, when they were too high (and he knew it). And they themselve should have taken the go around vectors they were offered by ATC. As always a fatal chain of human errors, hybris, over self-esteem, bad cockpit communication, power hierarchy (why didn‘t the pilot monitoring call for a go around?) has ultimately led to this totally unnecessary loss of lives.
@@atholmackie668 yes you are right
@@atholmackie668 You can point out pilot error without berating the dead.
"No final word on what caused the crash?" How about "stupidity?" It's a word never used in aviation crash reports but is entirely fitting in many cases. Air France 447 would fully qualify for its use...and many others.
AF447 was more complex, and there were some valuable lessons to be learnt from that accident. The FAA actually changed the way they teach stall recovery and updated the airman certification standards as a result of that accident. This one, on the other hand, was caused by a series of inexplicably dumb decisions, and when the final report comes out, I doubt there will be any causal factors that could not have been prevented by knowledge that is already commonly available to everyone. Simply put, the pilots were just stupid as f... A total waste, so unnecessary.
@@oliverracz2686 Nah ... AF 447 was stupidity. Without a doubt the frozen pitot tubes started the chain of events, but that wasn't the proximate cause.
@@zoso73 Let's say "incompetence" is a better word to use for the Air France accident. This PIA one was pure stupidity.
But I've had this stick back the whole time!
@@MMMmyshawarma You got it my friend. How stupid was that? Over 200 innocent people in the back get slammed into the ocean! The only saving grace is that they died instantaineously.
I can't believe any pilot would attempt a go around after striking the ground on a belly landing.
@TR STAR why didn’t he inform the control tower that the landing gear would not engage? 😢
@@priscamolotsi He didn't realize that the landing gear were not down unitl it scraped (It happened because he didn' follow the protcols) and later most probably he was afraid of the repercussion.
@@deepakthirdreich but how can two pilots not know that gear is down? Lights, audible warnings are there. Just a dumbass pilot I guess.
@@frankie3591 They were not following protocols and were using non standard methods to land in the first attempt which in turn would have caused a lot of error warnings and they would have missed the Landing Gear warning . BTW where are you from ?
@@deepakthirdreich Agreed. I don't know much about flying but let's take my car. If I start to drive my car without seat belt, the warning light flashes and the audible bell will kill me before an accident can. Now don't planes have that? Beep beep beep....Terrain Too low? If you don't have wheels down? Canadian.
Not once did the pilot or co pilot announce a Mayday while attempting a landing without landing gear. This is absolutely stunning. God bless the perished.
Because they didn’t realise it i guess? He said he was comfortable before first approach
@@eishalarshad7216 what abt the warning, its heard in the recordinf
@@munabissi I think the sounds are made for the video. At least I cannot hear anything from the recordings.
@@bowlchamps37 The sounds were not for this video, they on every recording I have heard or seen, clearly ding ding ding continuous, and every knowledgable commentator states it was the gear warning.
@clivewsm You are correct, the gear disagree warning can be heard in the ATC audio. It’s a very distinguished noise that can it be canceled by the pilot like other audio cues. This audio message would have been active followed by the “too low, gear warning” once the got in close proximity to the ground. The pilots had to be very aware of their situation which is why it’s inconceivable that they didn’t advise ATC.
When pilot went for belly landing in 1st attempts then how could he go for a go around after damaging the engines after touching it to the ground?😶 Earlier it was a technical fault with the plane but pilot's decision for goaround killed them all. Its a pilot fault & i mean its common sense that you have got only 1 attempt in belly landing bcz your engines will get crashed obviously.
RIP to the lives lost
The video is incorrect, they weren't attempting a belly landing the first time, the preliminary report has confirmed this. They didn't know the gear wasn't down.
@@DoubleMonoLR true. No technical issue. Which is even more sad!
MrMonotone it is impossible that they didn’t know the gear wasn’t down, there are multiple warnings for gear not down which was ignored. And the fact that ATC at Karachi didn’t even know they were attempting a belly landing is also just ridiculous, actually shocked by this. RIP to those poor people
@@lancevanrensburg6868 I'm curious about what the final report will show.
Because it’s Pakistan
I am from Pakistan 🇵🇰 and the pilot was over confident, there seems no technical glitch in this scenario it happened when he failed to perform belly landing while not informing ATC of his actions. May the people who lost their lives rest in peace
Jesus can change yr life ❤
@@ethicseono he can't.
@@ethicseo
Hmm
"I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will." (John 5:30)
Doesn't seem like someone who can change my life. Can't even do anything by his own power, but instead has to rely on a higher power. Why not worship the God of Jesus instead of Jesus himself?
@@Really_Biggah He said it when he was on earth agree right ? What happened since ? He raised 🙌 he is there, just ask him to show something, I will come to you, promise
This was pure criminal negligence on the part of the pilots-the captain especially. This was an avoidable tragedy.
I agree 💯 per cent
Who is giving licenced mad guys like this sitting in
the cockpit? and legelized by...?
The pilot ignored the emergency beeps how mad that guy was ..!!!! 😔
@@Wings797 From wiki:
On 25 June 2020, 150 of 434 pilots employed by PIA were indefinitely grounded for holding "either bogus or suspicious licenses".
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_International_Airlines_Flight_8303#Aftermath
captain was discussing covid 19 during flight. i wish he is burning in hellfire
The pilots really messed this one up.
amazing what idiots are flying around there. If you go for a belly landing you only have one try.
@@Suiramlp They didn't go for a belly landing. This video is making all kinds of assumptions.
I think the pilots forgot to put the gear down, they realized it only after the engine scraping.
The plane also has a lot of problems...+ pilots bad trained result on disaster
@@suserman7775 I mean either way, it looks like pilot error to me
The A320 has a sensor letting pilots know that they are too low without gear. That alarm didn’t sound. Something was amiss with the plane as well.
I lost my friends on this flight. Was greatly shocked when saw this news on tv channel. May Allah bless all those who left us with highest ranks in Jannah and may Allah give Patience to the bereaved families.
Sorry for your loss.
May they receive jannat
in the memorys fo who died😭
Ameen
there is no jannah for idiot pilot like this though
Pilot error. Period. Why wouldn't they have let the flight tower know they had no landing gear?
Atc and pilot conversation doesn't show even once that the pilot tried telling the tower about the landing gear. If not 'mayday' I believe atleast 'pan pan pan' declaration was warranted here. The pilot was like "Meh, no landing gear, no big deal. I got this". I'm baffled!
Please please please, do NOT make fun of the pilot, or co-pilot as the struggled very hard to save the lives onboard.
Jolly apparently you do not realize pilot made awful mistakes which led to the death of a lot of people. And the guys weren’t making fun of the pilots you dum dum.
@@Jolly69 their negligent and borderline criminal actions killed those people no matter how hard they tried to overcome their blatantly poor piloting.
@@Jolly69 why do you keep saying this over and over in different threads??? Unless your deaf and cant read closed captions, it is painfully clear that these 2 idiots did not even mention not having a fucking landing gear to anyone!!! So yes, they are going to get flamed and criticized and rightly so...
my questions:
- why no mayday call?
- why no gravity extension?
- why go around, when the engines(!) had ground contact?
- why no holding pattern and analyse situation?
- why no visually check by Tower?
Rest in Peace all of you
There was a may day call
@@javiiaye call when it was about to crash
There is a theory that he was too fast too for gear and Airbus blocks it automatically.
This video is wrong... due to the wrong ils approach in the first attempt they had to a go around and the landing gear was retracted too soon so the engines scraped the Tarmac
Panic and fear probably
No pilot would knowingly make a "belly landing" without declaring an emergency (PAN or Mayday) notifying the airport and requesting emergency crews to be available. I have been on an aircraft that had gear problems and the flybys, the cycling of landing gear, the copilot visiting the cabin to look thru to see the gear....all takes time...and we didn't just "go for it". This "initial descent and landing" is problematic on many levels. Of note is that the airspeed should be assessed at gear down -- the A320 will not allow the gear to come down at speeds above a certain level to keep the gear and panels from being ripped off... the issue is not what happened on the go-around, its what happened leading up to the decision or lack of a decision to put the plane down on the engines...
True that ))
Were the pilots fasting for Ramadan?
Yeah, it's quote obvious they forgot to put the gear down, freaked out when they realised and went for a go around.
Yeah these pilots were really bad at following protocols, I think the gear may have not come down because of their ignorance of their incorrect glideslope leading to a much steeper decent which might have stressed the automation of the A320. I really think it might’ve been a training problem. I can bet my money that when the investigation is done, the main cause will be pilot error
@Apjal Guruji No martyrs, If they were really out of their capabilities because fasting then they were responsibles for those deaths.
These videos make me much more terrified of flying than I should be. But they are so addictive
Same
Same here.
They make me feel better about it. All the faults are identified and they are added into training or fixed with innovation. Pilot error is really rare it seems as well.
Addictive.
Yup same here :p :)
I'm an Indian.
People might think Indians feel happy about this crash.
But for me, it's a really sad moment as many of them lost their lives, may their families be happy without them ❤️
Why should Indians feel “happy” about a plane crash 🤨
@@Jstsumcodplayr some Indian's feel happy about any calamity in Pakistan. Just check out the comments on the recent flooding in Pakistan.
anyone who feels happy about loss of human life just because they have different ideologies is immoral and disgusting
No True Indian can ever feel anything but sad on any civilian suffering in Pakistan.., be it plane crash or flood. Humanity first.
@@Jstsumcodplayr bcz Pak and India are enemies so isn't it obvious that if something bad happens in Pakistan they will be happy but I know some real people exist in India and they will never be happy
note-to-self : dont go-around after you banged your engines on the runway ...
In this case there was no choice. They were more than the half way mark. It all goes to explain, how important decent planning is. One you leave cruise altitude, constant check of altitude and airspeed is necessary and immediate corrections need to be made. We need to wait till the official report comes out. It would be heartless to blame the pilots before that.
Krish Mohan exactly they would of over ran the runway
@@flightsimulatoraddict9102 they were already on the ground ... and i'd argue that more people could've survived
@@jamc666 Hindsight is 2020. Maybe the pilots thought they had a better chance of landing on the 2nd attempt.
Why to banged engines ,u can have a smooth belly landing if u r approching at mannered speed and actual height for approach that the pilot failed to do so .
You forgot to include that during their second approach, they managed to drop the gear.
yup was going to say forgot to show gear down in second approach
Again a mistake. Once engines are lost, efforts should be to reduce the drag and reach the runway and deploy the landing gear at the last moment only as far as I can assume.....🙏🙏
Oh wait so they did get the landing gear out for their 2nd attempt, when they ultimately crashed?
Yes..you are right
There was NOTHING wrong with the landing gear, on the decent and before landing approach the jet was going to FAST, at the speed they were going the gear will NOT deploy, this is a case of two complete dumb asses at the controls of an airliner.
The most heartbreaking statement was.. "out of the 99 occupants, only two survived"💔 May Allah Grant them Jannah
Aww... I cannot control my tears... God save their souls, their family and loved ones.. Sending love and prayes from Mizoram India.
Yeah. Blame the pilots.
❇
Damn those pilots
I really can't imagine after scrapping the belly of the airplane twice that you initiate a go around. At that point the pilot has no idea what type of structural damage has incurred yet initiates a climb out.
This pilot has the intelligence to maybe work as a chai wala bringing tea to people. Or cleaning homes as a maid (or "knohkar").
Pakistan k pilot madarsa padke hi pilot bante hai it's true
Wondering why Pakistanis are hopeless in just anything and everything...
@@KonvictKrishK282933D lol. While it's true that rigorous standards are not followed in 3rd world countries like pakistan but you seem to have been brain washed by your mainstream media/ indian thought process. Nobody in Pakistan is madrassa educated except the poor/lower middle class and most of them don't serve any actual meaningful professions.
@@KonvictKrishK282933D don't show your Indian Ness here.
RIP to all the people that perished :'( .
two survivors from the plane
What hypocrisy. On one hand saying "Oh we're so sorry and we're grieving", on the other hand supporting a guy who advertises this under #aviationmemes on Instagram. On top the blame put on pilots and controllers is extremely disrespectful when there's no preliminary report ready. Especially since the dead pilots don't even have a chance to defend themselves. It's disgusting.
@@herrhornbuckele5227 I'm talking about the crash not the vid
@@BzBlade Yes and I'm grateful for that but we shoudn't forget all those that died.
It all started when the pilot contacted the ATC in Lahore during take off and asked a totally irrelevant question
What was that question?
Latest info says gear was deployed 10 miles out, then retracted five miles out!
Pilots busy chatting about pandemic, ignored alarms, and landed a perfectly good airplane with the gear retracted.
Sad.
But there a plenty of warnings in cabin about gears. It's really hard to understand how did they fuck didnt listen.
It would be extremely difficult to ignore those alarms. No sense in worrying about COVID19 if you are not going to be alive to contract it.
Latest Info by an unknown idiot 😡
@@umairahmad3668 There is a preliminary report, so it's your comment that is inappropriate. Just google PIA preliminary report, and you'll find the details.
The report also says, that they activated the thrust reversers on their first landing attempt.
Thus it was a horrible wrong decision to initiate a goaround afterwards...
What is known from this prliminary report the crew was not using correct callouts, not regarding what they were doing in the cockpit and at least making horribly wrong decisions...
Feel like there was a better survival chance if the pilot did a belly landing
We don't blame anyone ,we don't know what exactly happened there
@@tanyaverma495 you're right bro. Its easy to blame the pilot because he is no more. He cannot justify now :(
@Ganga Din you are saying the same thing as i said, but in other words. We cannot ask him the reason now. He has gone. A captain with 17000 hrs of flying experience. He must have something in mind. :)
I agree
yes. maybe the pilot thought so too. But why did he not pursue it?
Whey you're told by ATC that you're to high, twice, that's not a technical problem.. Pilot error. Tragically.
exactly
Yes it was pilot error the plane was too high at approach and too fast. They forgot to lower the gear.
Not rocket science is it..
@@naineshpatel3743 I think they pulled the switch by the gear didn't deploy. Technical error.
@@crand20033 It's believed they were travelling too fast for the gear to deploy when they selected, the gear lever was in the down position, but the gear was not actually down and locked. This possibly led to confusion for both of the flight crew, as there is not just the pilot in command, but also his second there to check things and ensure checklists are followed.
If the gear lever was cycled once speed was more acceptable, the gear would have dropped and deployed.
I don't understand how they could ignore the gear alarms, and flashing light indicator that would appear on both sides. The pilot also declared he was comfortable on approach which means all settings should be right for landing configuration including gear.
There is also a potential user-interface problem here with gear lever selectors that is however the same on just about every aircraft. A short glance will show the physical gear lever in the down position, but this is clearly NOT the same as the gear actually being down and locked. Ideally, this lever would return to the un-set position if unable to deploy as yet another indication that gear hasn't deployed.
Plane: Yo the landing gear isn’t down!
Pilots: Yall hear sum?
Well, this is one bizarre accident. I can't even begin to imagine why a pilot would try a TOGA after an airframe strike on the runway...apparently he thought it could be done, but the whole thing was a clusterf***. Sad.
Can't contact the tower, have to tell allah how great he is.
What was TOGA? I forgot
Edit: I remembered, it's a autopilot mode that can be set to abort takeoff, or go around
That pilot was drunk or something?
He must have been very fast from the overly steep descent and felt he had to TOGA after needlessly striking the engines. I hate to say it, but the whole flight seems dumb and very unprofessional. This video is very well done.
Yannis L well it’s really Take-Off Go Around power It’s has an associated AP mode, but TOGA is a power setting.
This is the most absurd, surreal accident I' ve ever seen so far, in all aspects. Crew performance, tower lack of attitude and all the awkward circumstances. Both, pilots and airline management must be deeply investigated (recruitment, formation, safety standarts, etc) and , if its the case, immediately prohibited from flying and responsables sent to jail. Now, an adjacent aspect:
Over the two last decades pilots turned into "flight system's operators" and real piloting skills are being lost more and more, year after year, as they are now formed "ab initio" by the airline's academies. They are no longer "Aviators". That's why we may encounter a 21 year old co-pilot, or even a captain of 25, because they have no previous experience in the air force of, at least, eight years facing challenging situations.
Comment updating- we now heard about pilot's fake licenses. That overpasses anything we could imagine, so my new comment is; NO COMMENTS!!!
Completely agree. Calls out Mayday seconds before death is imminent
All I can think of is the passengers fear while this nightmare was going on....
Can't expect professional behaviour from Pakistan
what mistake did tower guy do?
In case of belly landing, shouldn't there be firefighters in place for the inevitable fire that would ensue? The pilot seemed too relaxed; there was no mention to control tower that landing gears were not working, and Mayday! Mayday! was sounded off just almost immediately before the crash. I'm no pilot but what kind of pilot was that? By the way this video was presented, it seemed the passengers were not aware of any emergency situation. I don't know which was better or worse - passengers not panicking and then - Bam! - everybody's dead, without a prayer or last good-byes.
One of my mothers friend's close relatives passed away on this flight.
Please pray for them :'(
Spotflightsim i will bud, sorry for that loss
What will praying accomplish?
@major bat shut up, please do not interfere in these religious things
lisa D and major bat vs Rais Ahmad and Zahra & Zayaan. LoL, it is like a war 2v2 haha youtube war lets goo
@@lisad2701 we don't know if it'll change anything but we know that doing nothing won't do shit ... your comment is stupid. and i don't like any sorts of religion, it's simply called respect
This plane crashed on my Birthday. I was having fun while other people were crying and at some point, dying.. or dead.
Man, if this video is accurate, that is incompetence of the highest magnitude being played out in the cockpit.
The audio here is absolutely correct the same was played in the indian and pakistani media..
Cockpit blunder.
Maybe the pilot was too high - - - in more ways than one.
@@crand20033 Could be high mentally.
David Crandall - "Oh, roll another one, just like the other one!".,Easy Rider, circa1970!
This guy probably spends HOURS UPON HOURS making these animations and writing all this info can we all just stop and take a min to appreciate that ❤️❤️❤️
@DjPeely me?
@DjPeely I’m saying what I feel idk why u have a problem with my opinion
🤦🏼♀️
U have probaly seen this comment so much bc it’s just ppl like me telling him that we appreciate his vids and ye ? If u don’t have a problem why did u comment on my comment in the first place 😂😂😂🤦🏼♀️
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They were at an airspeed in excess of 250k over the threshold, they also impacted the runway 3x. The flight crew flat screwed up, to high on approach and were diving at one point in excess of 7k fpm to try and catch the glide slope.
This should have been a go around from the beginning, it's also likely they were to fast when they attempted to lower the gear and that's why it wouldn't extend.
Wrong. Airspeed above threshold was around 150. . rest all I agree..
Yes! The fact that the engines contacted the runway 3 times without a tail strike definitely shows one, that the gear was up of course and also that the airspeed and ground speed was higher than normal after a very unstable approach that was way too high and way too fast. At the time that they selected gear down they must have been going above 250 kts but for some reason never rectified the fact that the gear wasn’t down yet!
Red Diamond if so then there should be signs of a tail strike, especially on the 3rd engine strike!
Pilot was an arrogant twat..
Red Diamond not sure where you are getting your information from, but ADSB data shows aircraft between 240-250kts across the threshold. Descent rate prior to the call at 3500ft was in excess of 3k/min and at times as high as 9k/min. They never intended belly land on the first attempt most likely never put the gear down. Evidenced by the pictures showing the gear down right before the crash. ATC wanting to vector the aircraft is further evidence that they thought he was to high and fast. Pilots remark that they were “comfortable” is more evidence towards the high and fast scenario. Finally if there was a known problem they would not have gone straight to a belly landing, rather they would have stayed in the air trouble shooting the problem first.
Sad, very sad, but I doubt any investigation will show any mitigating circumstances.
Rest in peace all those who lost their lives. Based on the information in this video, this is pilot error. For a start the approach was not stable, they should have discontinued the approach and asked for more track miles to lose altitude. Second, after the landing gear failed to extend they had a choice of either discontinuing the approach/going around to hold so they could figure out why that happened or using the manual gear extension - there was absolutely no need to attempt a belly landing at that stage. Once the belly landing attempt had floated outside of the touchdown zone, they should have executed a balked landing. Seems like poor decision making and failure management all the way down which unfortunately cost them and most of their passengers their lives.
Absolutely shocking actions by the flight crew
Yeah
Eh well just do a belly landing. *slams both engines into the ground* maybe well try to go around now
I would never fly with this company. Were the realy pilots? No before landing checklist? Landing without gear down and hit the brakes? This is realy heavy shit
@@stevenlingle22 The worst part was the idiot trying to do the landing without reporting it to the controller. Then for the first officer to sit by and not say anything is just unbelievable. They also
Sounded so calm when coming in to land with no gear. This is truly terrifying!
This people always taking things so easily... Now they lost so many lives..
This is an unlikely scenario. There is no reason for the pilots to make a belly landing on purpose. This aircraft appears to have been high and fast on approach. The landing gear will not lower on this aircraft if it is flying too fast to safely lower it. That's why the alarm was going off. The pilots appeared to have ignored the alarm and did not check the gear position lights. They just assumed the gear was down when it was not. They proceeded to do in inadvertent belly landing. They should have stayed on the ground at that point. Instead they did a go around with disastrous results.
Well we might never know the exact specifics, but that seems a plausible theory.
The a320 has an hidraulic system just like most planes if the landing gear does not work the pilot has to release the hidraulics that will make the landing gear come down thanks to gravity this is clearly the pilots fault
Yes that is the reason
it's more over looks like a pilot error incident..
The safe limit is around 270kts on an A320 so it's not likely it's because of that
Heirachy in the cockpit. Co pilot too scared to speak up while observing appalling airmanship.......
Very possible, knowing Pakistani culture.
If the other commentator is correct, and the pilot simply *forgot* to lower the gear, then this may go down as the worst lost of situational awareness since at least AirAsia at SFO.
The co pilot would stand as an accomplice in the crime, as being speechless while watching his Captain's arrogance implicates him as much for the killing of 97 innocent lives as the captain himself.
Yes. To miss that annoying dinging by TWO persons doesn't make sense.
@@moaz6395 one was too arrogant to admit he could even commit any mistake, the other one was just a twat, too scared to speak up.
i remember my parents heavily blaming the pilots when this was on the news so i watched this to reconfirm and see what rlly happened
Your parents were right. I would’ve cried my eyes out if I was on that plane and it went back up in the air after scrapping the ground. That pilot is the greatest idiot to ever fly a plane
According to what we know so far, these are incredibly incompetent pilots. They didn't inform ATC of ANYTHING until it was far too late, and didn't call mayday until AFTER attempting the belly landing! And forcing a belly landing without doing proper checklist procedures is beyond a rookie move...getting the aircraft down SAFELY is always the first priority...
it doesn't make sense at all looks like a convoluted suicide attempt to make it appear as an accident
I think the PIA is trying to put the blame on the dead they don't want to lose thier jobs.
@@YoutubSUCKZ can be arrogance too. In some countries pilots are chosen on connections and people who do not meet the minimum requirements are chosen
This is why I do not trust airlines that are not US based. Other countries have lax airline regulations. You don’t compromise on safety when it comes to flying. You don’t compromise of safety period.
@@YoutubSUCKZ the pilot was suffering from the Hero Complex. He thought he could easily crash land the plane and come out looking like a hero and therefore didn't tell ATC anything. He wanted to do it all by himself.
Rest in peace those all who fell victim of this carelessness.
Such a tragedy ,my cousin's husband was in that plane 😢 May all the souls RIP 😭 also I was waiting for you to make a video on this .
Sorry to hear about you loss, condolences from MI
The captain really mad he doesn't use the landing gear it's really strange matter!!!!!
sorry for your loss...
RIP to them! Sorry about your loss. 😭
LOL!
"On 25 June 2020, 150 of 434 pilots employed by PIA were indefinitely grounded for holding "either bogus or suspicious licenses". " Wow makes you wonder about these pilots.
Not surprised at all
This pilot must have been one of them. Because if he knew what he was doing he would have alerted air traffic control that the landing gear was not lowering.
They only learn how to take off.
@@larrypowers2515 Even that is a miracle.
We even as Pakistanis avoid travelling on PIA
Rest In Peace to everyone who passed away in that plane crash.
@RAJASINGAM SUBRAMANIAM Jesus christ
rest in peace for those who died in the ground too
rip
Prayers for the people who were dead in this accident
I won't lie, I had a little tear coming out at the end. It feels awful to know exactly how it happened.
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The pilots tried to lower the landing gear, but they were simply too fast.
If you are above a certain speed the plane does not allow the landing gear to be deployed - you can hear the warning sound in the ATC radio tapes.
The pilots just ignored the warnings the plane was giving out...
Exactly they were so so close 😭
6:12 - You know your idea is not good when even the console alarm is telling you what you are if you continue...
There was a person who wanted to go to America for a long time, he tried getting a visa and he did towards the end of Ramadan. He went on Qatar Airways from Karachi with a stopover in Doha. At Doha, they sent him back because they were only allowing people with an American Passport or an American Residence Visa to go on the flight to America. He didn't get a flight that was directly to Karachi, Instead, he found a flight to Lahore. He went to Lahore from Doha. Then he needed to come back to Karachi, He was onboard this flight and he passed away. R.I.P To all the souls aboard PIA Flight 8303.
Dang. Sad indeed :/
God bless them all. Australia
Strange ways fate works! We may never understand
Domestic air teavel should definitely be avoided... travel by train, or bus, you have other choices.. make a smart one. And still, if thats your last day, i admit, cant run away from death ! !!! But atleast make smart choices instead of DUMB ones !!!!
you cant scape from death
Thank you sm for the likes
Lets just think about these people who were just 1000m away from celebrating Eid with their families. 💔
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So sad 😔 😥
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I appreciate your effort. As per your narration, the pilots 'noticed' that the landing gears had malfunctioned and there was a warning in the cockpit... Question: why didnt they declare an emergency and inform the ATC that they will be attempting a belly landing? Infact they kept saying that they are comfortable while they were high on the profile and their landing gears were not down. You cant be comfortable knowing that your gears are not down. Was an emergency declared on board? The passengers who survived dont say that. There was no call to be in 'Brace for Impact'. Had it been a planned belly landing, the pilots would have declared the emergency and passengers would have been informed and the ATCOs as well. On ground Fire tenders would have been dispatched, ambulances would be stand by and and with the kind of access media has these days, the news would have been leaked that a PIA acft is attempting to belly land. In the second attempt, you have shown the acft landing minus the gears.. Which was not the case. Tje crash video clearly shows that the landing gears were extended.
So all whats being said is merely a figment of imagination and nothing more. Its speculation that what all happened but none of us can say with any degree of authority that this is what must have happened on the flight deck. Lets wait for the report.
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Komal Sana what did I do I said a comment I don't need a whole story there is a video I just commented to do anything so don't appreciate my effort for nothing
There are at least three reasons of this crash that I can deduct after watching this video.
1- The pilot ignored the warnings from the ATC to lower the altitude.
2- The technical flaw in the landing gear.
3- Pilot's decision to do a go-around after the engines had scrapped the runway.
IMO the pilot should've gone ahead with the belly landing instead of attempting a go-around approach.
there is a turn style lever that you can deploy and rotate to help the landing gear deploy via gravity or cranking in case the primary ldg gear lever does not work
Captain " what's that dinging noise?"
Co-Pilot " what dinging noise?"
Its a sound of grim reaper knock they door
Sums it all up...correct!
Either the Co-Pilot was in shock from watching the Captain decide to attempt landing the plane at such a high speed & altitude, or he was petrified of how the Captain would react towards him, if he tried to stop the multiple mistakes the Captain was making.
No CRM at all!
@@kyliepechler i understand he was having a high to ignore the alarm but when the TOO LOW GEAR started to sound, he should have gotten the fuck out of his feels and revv it up back into holding position to plan the landing again.
Please please please, do NOT make fun of the pilot, or co-pilot as the struggled very hard to save the lives onboard.We do not know what happened until the real reason is released.
What airmanship! They trash both engines by scraping them along the runway, then attempt to use them for a go-around.
Exactly, he slammed those engines into the ground 3 times not twice....3 times!!! How he even got back in the air must be a new record.
90% sure they thought the gear was down
True, stupid pilots, absolutely stupid, why did they even get certified as pilots if they just scraped the engines did a go around and tell atc the engines are not working
@@visionist7 chime going off for gear not down....surely PIA do not hire deaf pilots
I'd pay good money to watch that...
So much pilot error sadly, all of these factors contributed to the incident. They likely could have successfully landed the aircraft on its belly had they stabilised the approach and communicated effectively/prepared.
Agreed. From what information we have, this reeks of pilot incompetence. With all the warnings going off in the cockpit, a sane crew would have aborted the landing attempt, notified ATC of a problem, anything within SOP. Instead they tried to force the gear down by smashing the plane onto the runway without any flame retardants.
@@PikalaxALT Yep. And they could of told ATC to prepare fire crew just in case. Thank god for this channel. It seems a lot of these airline disasters are due to criminal negligence and incompetence by the pilots.
@@PikalaxALT wow, you know thats what happened already? you better tell the investigators they are wasting their time then.
Karachi is surrounded by sea, they could have landed it in sea and wait for the rescue team
Exactly! I'm not a pilot, but even I know there is no way you're going to go from 7,000ft to tarmac on your belly and suffer no side-effects or damage.
My grandfather died in the plane crash
And the plane crashes before 3 days of my birthday
And I refused to celebrate it
He was so sweet and that's why he got the rank of a shaheed
It's almost gonna be a year
He died in ramadan but in May and now it's April
May Allah grant those who died paradise and their families patience
From Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 🇵🇰
Jas R What’s wrong Jas? Are you jealous of them? You can still get that paradise if you really wanted, but again that’s your choice, and if you chose a bad choice, then it’s your problem.
I guess Trump disappointed many of your crusaders too ✝️ by making peace with the Taliban, right ?
@@saul7594 by the way, be noted about some thing you just can't deny!! 1-Maybe you are totally ignorant about what's going around you, then you are totally excused. 2-You know all the facts, and intentionally ignoring them, then you ARE a full-fledged devil. Let us talk about the false prophet followers, the jihadies, al qaida, bla bla just keep mentioning,, starting from 1400 years back those people didn't kill even,, say 20% what what so-called the Jesus followers killed in only last 300 years!! I thing you must be knowing some thing called "net searching" do it and look at the numbers, so called Jesus followers killed!! Jihadis are quite innocent babies man,, in front of the western killers!!
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@@saul7594 If I start ridiculing your country and religion you sure will fly like a rocket. So better STFU and respect others or get lost
@@saul7594 Are you that stupid to comment in a video like this? If you were good from heart for someone innocent who you dont even know personally to make assumptions about them you wouldnt be saying such things 🙄 You cant expect good from bad. PLease if you dont have anything nice to say or have any knowledge of anything then dont come up for discussion. If you want to discuss about religious history maybe find a video where you can learn from. I dont believe you are here to learn anything from but just to hate. There are millions of videos on youtube but you come here to disrespect somebody else religion shows how disgusting your life must be.
The fact that he decided to go around after knowing that both engines hit the runway, makes me speculate that the pilot knew that there is nothing wrong with the landing gears. He thought he could deploy them and make another safer landing. Should there was a problem with the landing gears he would have never flew back again.
Yes
Yes.
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The pilots tried to lower the landing gear, but they were simply too fast.
If you are above a certain speed the plane does not allow the landing gear to be deployed - you can hear the warning sound in the ATC radio tapes.
The pilots just ignored the warnings the plane was giving out...
Continues beeping sound was telling that there is problem with landing gear, then why are you thinking like pilot don't know about the problem in landing gears.
@@LifesongAcademy not literally bro, but he ignored the warning nobody knows why and I guess nobody will because we can't understand that in what circumstances pilot got pushed in and the level of pressure he was handling.
When I saw this on the news the other day, I first thing I thought was when will your channel could make an analysis of the crash. And you did! Merely days!
Thank you so much!
The pilots were totally unprofessional with casual approach. Why did not inform immediately about the problem in landing gear. Actually the pilots immaturity took lives of 90 innocent people.
There has to be more to this. I dont believe they were trying to attempt a belly landing without declaring a emergency or even alerting ATC.
Exactly.
I just don’t understand
Why would they even try to attempt to land without landing gear & no notification from tower it does not make sense
They didn't. They were going too fast. Airbus has a automatic system in place where if plane is going too fast the landing gear will not deploy, even if it is in the deployed position. It is a safety measure to ensure the gear will not collapse on landing. Pilots had no idea gear wasn't deployed because they were ignoring warning sounds due to focusing on rapid descent to make it. It wasn't a belly landing.
That's what I'm saying, it's unbelievable to me, unless this cockpit crew was on a suicide/murder mission
100% Pilot Error. Extremely shockingly poor pilots.
@@laibalitchious5702 You can't blame the engineers. Planes are built and tested thoroughly, and maintained multiple times a day. You cannot prevent failures no matter what. It is the pilots fault, that they did not react correctly to the failure that occured. I am however, sorry to hear about your aunt.
@@laibalitchious5702 How can you be so sure? Your comment is vague, it doesn't mention what the engineers did wrong, there is nothing to prove that they are uneducated. Unfortunately, it looks like some wrong decisions were made on the flight deck that day, and that's what caused the crash. Even if the original technical fault was caused by "Uneducated engineers" the pilots should have been able to handle it better.
@@laibalitchious5702 they dident even report to ATC that the landing gear wasent down!! Are you high? These 2 idiots killed everybody except 2 on board!
David Porter shut up why dont you try to land a plane with a damaged landing gear
The assumptions made in this video's captions do not match analysis from other sources - most likely they were too fast (diving to the runway) and the gear would not extend due to this. On the Airbus, you need to raise the gear lever and then lower it again when below the max speed.
It's possible they lowered the gear lever and considered that to be "gear down" on the checklist, and then proceeded to belly land unintentionally, ignoring the gear warning beeps for whatever reason (maybe they thought it was a warning for something else - like overspeed because they were chasing the glideslope?)
The skid marks on the runway also indicate that they floated for ages before touching down way past the usual touchdown point - another indication they were coming in way too fast. No way would they be coming in that fast intentionally with a gear failure, and without mentioning it to the tower. More likely they were just trying to get down, and figured they had enough stopping power with half of the runway behind them - and all that stress led them to completely miss the lack of "3 greens".
It's also inexplicable that they would go around if they knew they were landing gear-up - why panic and go around if you are expecting the engines to scrape the runway?
Agree.
I think you got it! It would explain a lot.
This is pretty much my theory too, except that they probably assumed the alarm was for decent rate, instead of overspeed. I see a LOT of landing videos where a perfectly good landing has a bunch of alarms that must be ignored by the crew. The airplane systems must in part be designed by LAWYERS. In other words, idiots.
This gear behaviour is what I was missing in all the previous descriptions. This makes total sense, as it turns a "everyone in the cockpit ignored a massive glaring/blaring issue and did a series of bonkers things without telling anyone" in to a "crew was rushing to get down and flubbed one single gear procedure like we've seen a bunch of times before" situation. Thanks.
They forgot to deploy it during the first approach.Pilot error caused this tragedy.The gear was operational as seen in some videos.
Most crashes to my knowledge are preventable and I get the feeling this would have come back to the pilots for not letting ATC know they had an issue with the landing gear, not declaring an emergency and coming in a lot lower and slower first time around when engines were still fine.
And after a failed belly landing and 2 engine strikes, had ATC been properly informed, they would probably have known the risks of a go around after striking both engines...
I think they didn't know that the gear isn't deployed until the aircraft struck the runway, no matter how stupid is a pilot he'll surely notify ATC if he is about to attempt a belly landing but they didn't mention it to ATC anywhere in entire conversation.
Yeah but making a go around after striking the runway was a stupid decision nonetheless
that noise was a gear not down noise
@@jaahdajinnahgoeswalkabout6819 remember that this video is just a reenactment of the event and that we don't have the actual cockpit audio. The warning system may have failed which would explain the pilots' behavior. Without that warning they wouldn't have known that the engines struck the ground either, which would explain the decision to go around.
sure dont know landing gear is not deployed bcz if the knows sure the pilot will decided first to go around for few time.for remedy.this is a clear pilot error.
Although the landing gear sensor might didn’t work , you can clearly hear the sound of the landing gear descending . You can clearly hear the violence of the air hitting the deployed gears and a sudden drop of aircraft speed
I believe in one of the clips from the cockpit you can hear the Failed Gear Deployment warning.
There are also several ways in which you will be able to tell if the gear has deployed or not.
I find really hard to believe we have pilots like this in 2020...
Its pakistan ohh boy..... anything possible...... flying a third hand airplane in lease and doing the technical maintenance and piloting by madrasa graduates...... well..... I am not surprised..... I am sad to see it in news that so many innocent lives are lost..... RIP :(
Agree with u bro
It's a long running struggle, but there are plenty of cultures around the world that still cling to the "boss is god" idea. Heck even in the US and Europe we have a-hole autocratic Captains. However our First Officers are much, much more likely to take a vocal and active role in preventing dangerous behavior.
Ranjan Kumar Rath I'm sure your RSS hindutva mindset is deeply satisfied by saying this rubbish above 😂 we know you guys are paid to spread false propaganda against Pakistan, but how about you try to learn some ethics and sensitivity on a human tragedy at least?
You just had horrible cyclone Amphan and 2 backtoback earthquakes in your capital delhi resulting in hundreds thousands of lives lost and properties destroyed! Do you see any single Pakistani acting petty like you all are on social media? Shame on you indians!
more idiot's in pakistan blaming the pilot not the pia every plane crashed in pakistan is pia plane
So “pilots notice gear fails to extend” should read “pilots fail to extend gear”. I.e. clearly an unintentional belly landing caused by an error of forgetting the gear during a negligently unstable approach.
I don't see how it could be unintentional. The plane start blaring about the gear being up at 500ft, it would be 2-3 minutes of blaring warnings...
It happened near my home, about 1 km distance. There was a huge cloud of smoke, when we went there, plane crashed in a stray street. At the end of this street was a school. Luckily it was too late and students must be empty at this time. On Friday schools here usually goes off around 12 pm. It was last Friday of Ramzan and most of the people are at home at this day, luckily didn't cause much damage to residents.
People of karachi went to help the nearby residents right after the emergency response teams finishes the work, they supplied food immediately.
There was emergency alert at hospitals because of crashing in residential area, called almost all ambulances and fire brigade in the city.
Blast ki awaz ayi thi
I cannot imagine what the passengers thought when the plane crashed... In the runway they'd have been happy that they're back to home... How sad...😭😭
This is video of game not real life hah
@@abhishekpali9964 Ofcourse not game...This channel demonstrates real life flight accidents... Sometimes original cockpit recorded audio will be played..
The flying beast had already predicted what could have happened..
It is so heartbreaking!! 😔
Yeah,he's a genius person and pilot.love and respect from Pakistan.
When you have a problem, the thumb rule is to keep flying. That way you'll buy time. Land only when you're sure it's safe to land. This is something that is stressed upon in every pilot school and academy.
So sad that this happened.
I believe the plane's computer was in error and that it did not inform the pilots for landing gear error, or engine dead error.. otherwise he would have not landed the plane and even if he did he then would have used a 3 km long runway to his advantage, and cut his route short and make landing easily on a 2 km worth of runway , given his experience with an airliner.
@@omairbinenam6337 From watching the video i think both the pilots knew that the landing gear is not *working* and still didn't inform on the radio and tried to land it anyway??!!
@@dharmang yes you make sense too and judging from the initial conversation in the video between the ATC lahore and pilot, it seemed though the pilot was hesitant/shy of asking a simple question, in his own words... "chota sa question hai ager burra na minaye tau puchun" what I said and what you said both can be possible at the same time.
in audio no alarm is heard other than the "ding ding ding" the pilot was calm all the way through until he said mayday , and even then he was sounding confused rather than being worried.. my hunch is that the plane visuals/audio alarms were deceptive ..
Lets see how the final assessment turns out to be on this one.
But you might run out of gas.
When you realize that the plane isn’t a A320 but an A319
He treated that to low signal sound like the beeping when you leave the fridge open while making a sandwich.
Nice fridge! I don't have that feature, but now I want it.
@@theboardshorts damn where did u buy ur fridge
@@greenpick-uptruck8808 mine doesn't have the feature it's a bit old now his is prob old as well
A fridge that beeps? Those middle class and their fangled gadgets!
I want a new fridge that beeps
Why would the pilot deliberately do a belly landing on the first attempt without even informing the tower? If he had informed them they would have sprayed foam on the runway and be prepared for it. I think you may have got the first part wrong. It seems the pilot forgot to take down the landing gear or the landing gear didn't come down due to over speed in which case he should have aborted the first attempt to land.
I believe you are correct, the landing gear won't come down if they are over speed on approach so they should have aborted the first attempt.
All correct. Additionally the plane was too high at 5 miles out to capture the ILS correctly, yet the pilot monitoring states they are 'established on ILS 25R. My suspicion is that they captured a 'false glideslope' which can occur at 6 degrees or maybe even one at 9 or 12 degrees (this is a danger with approaching too high) and actually tried to follow that one down, hence the period of descent at up to 4000 fpm which combined with the already high energy approach resulted in a gear overspeed situation (> 260 kts IAS) which prevented the gear from extending. Once this condition exists, there has been some debate over whether the gear will then lower automatically when the overspeed ceases or whether the lever then has to be 'recycled' to use the Airbus term. The already high workload caused by the fast and high approach (which the controller had noticed incidentally and tried to 'persuade the flight crew to abandon) was worsened by the possible false glideslope which resulted in a crazy vertical profile (see flightradar24) and quite simply the approach was unstabilised and should have been rejected at or before 1000 ft AGL as SOPs require.
Because PIA pilots are useless would be a starting point
He pulled the lever the landing gear didnt extend and a ding ding ding can be heard
although it may not have been, the master caution alarm was going off and is heard in the ATC recording. They had ALARMS going off and presuming it was for the gears. So they definitely knew something was wrong.
These people were trying to see family for Eid, a friend told me. It’s really sad 😔
Yes it was right before eid
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May 22th! I like that! Serious note, major props to you and the work and time you must spend on these videos. Thank you, sincerely.
It's hard for me to believe they would belly land without informing emergency.
And it's hard for me to believe they'd do a go around after knowingly hitting the engines.
More likely they landed unknowingly with gear up , felt the impact not exactly knowing what was going on and then went around.
555Trout I also considered that eventuality. But how can you ignore all those warnings such as “too low gear” and stuff?
Their behavior made no sense at all. They knew gear was up due to the 3 red indicator lights and the constant beeping. And they didn't run checklist.
@@theflightchannel How do you know there were warnings? Though we know there should have been, do we know they worked? If there were warnings then nothing makes sense.
@@nickdaniels4385 They must've been really trying to salvage their poor approach and get there on time, that's the only thing I can think of that could've distracted them that much. I think even the ATC was confused that they wanted to go ahead with the approach given their speed and altitude. I can't believe experienced pilots like that could get that caught up to ignore those warnings but that seems to be what happened (if I remember right the captain had like 14,000 hours in that plane).
@@theflightchannel It's one of those situations where the only rational options are: they either intentionally chose to ignore the multiple warning indicators or they experienced a complete loss of situation awareness much earlier in the sequence of events than we might think. Nothing about their aeronautical decision making made any sense at all.
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3 red lights and a screaming gear config warning WHILE calmly replying his landing clearance to ATC like it's just another day at the office....then proceeds with a belly landing when he had LOADS of time to inform ATC ..WOW .....everything about this flight was way off FROM START TO FINISH.
Not real - this is a simulation - and based on assumptions.
My point exactly... what really happened was that stupid pilot forgot to engage landing gear at first landing attempt because he was too busy descending from high altitude and high speed with very short distance remaining. When he realized that landing gear is not open at touchdown, he raised the plane again to go around and make second attempt but engines were already damaged at that point.
@@oksyar according to Blanco Oleareo that chiming thats going on when the pilot is talking to ATC is the landing gear warning chime, warninig the pilot that the landing gear isn't deployed. The pilot is having a calm radio transmission with ATC while all that chiming is going on in the cockpit, its not like the pilot forgot a simple step in the process.
Apjal Guruji so is that an excuse for killing innocent souls on board? Pilots and other essential workers should be exempt from the fasting rule while on duty that’s the only solution !
I'm assuming these two guys weren't the only Muslim pilots in the world flying that day. Everyone else managed to land safely. This was pure incompetence.
This whole incident teaches a lesson that "Over Confidence is harmful"
A theory: Pilot forgot to deploy landing gears, at touch down of engines, he realized and instinctively took off again for go around , but the damage was done.
That makes sense, wonders why no one is talking about it. I think it is too basic and investigators don't want to even think that as possibilities. With black box investigation we will get the truth one day.
He would of had landing gear deploy warnings on descending
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The pilots tried to lower the landing gear, but they were simply too fast.
If you are above a certain speed the plane does not allow the landing gear to be deployed - you can hear the warning sound in the ATC radio tapes.
The pilots just ignored the warnings the plane was giving out...
Nikon's explanation is quite reasonable.
Captain Sajjad Gul had an experience of more than 17,000 flight hours. To imagine that such an experienced captain 'forgot' to deploy the landing gear is preposterous. Whether the landing gear suffered a technical glitch or it simply could not deploy at 3000ft. per 1NM is something that will be concluded at the end of the investigation.
Why didn’t they use the emergency gravity gear extension, this is pilot error on so many levels
Same here that's what I thought.
I just thought.
How in the name of god were these idiots ever allowed to fly an aircraft?
I could fill a page with what they did wrong..
do people know they havent actually tried it? When its not on some "amateur" animation in FSX, doesn't meant to be official black box data
That’s what happens when you put idiots on the deck
There is a CCTV footage showing the plane crashing into the houses. The quality is not very good but the extended gear is clearly visible on that video. At some point the crew managed to get the gear down. A more likely scenario seems to be that they forgot about the gear during their rushed descent and tried to go around when they got the gear warning. Because they had very high sinkrate, it was simply too late arrest the descent and go around.
How the pilots made such basic mistakes is beyond comprehension. RIP to all who died in this totally avoidable tragedy
And why didn't the controller say anything? Was he not watching?
This is not beyond comprehension when we realize that there is a pilot scam going over there in Pakistan. Scam as in corruption, letting anyone fly, even the under qualified pilot like this idiot. You can google it. Pakistan Pilot Scam.
These are great productions. Thank you for entertaining us. 👏👏👏
This is the most disturbing act of WTF I've ever seen in my career
I don't know what was going in their heads
Career of what. Shut up.
You saying like your the boss
I don't give shit to die,that day
Questions;
Why pilot didn't declare emergency when landing gear was not working?
Because in his mind he was playing a hero, the king of the skies. It would have been too below him to admit his mistake or to ask for help.
Yeah, it's bugged me for so long... How can a pilot with over 17,000 flight hours not realize that the gears were not down?
@@auaisme i think he had fitige and was tired
Even if the pilot would declare an emergency what could have the passengers done
If pilot do Dat those ppl r in aeroplane so they will scared about this thats y our pilot is gr8 but he dies
That’s how not following procedures ends up like...
What u expect? It’s pakistani
@@matpauen7650 Dude pls, all are humans, their life also matters.
Think about the people in the plane, all were so happy to meet their loved ones
@@matpauen7650 i would like you to try he paniced idk what it must have been stressful they are dead now leave them be
@@matpauen7650 A valid observation that amazingly is opposed by some. Get with it Mat, we're all the same, with the same hopes, dreams, and standards.
Allahu akbar.
Mat Pauen amen. They only care about the Aloha Snackbar Jee Had over there
The ATC knew they were gonna crash, the first officer knew they were gonna crash, hell even the plane itself knew it was about to crash, however the Capt despite numerous warnings apparently was oblivious
Wow, very impressive how quickly you put this together & released it. RIP to all.
How is it that TH-cam monetizes your content on this subject and de-monetized my content on this exact same subject?! Is it because of channel verification? Great graphics! (that's a TON of work to produce). Thanks for posting. Juan.
They gave you no reason? The only thing I can think of is that you used footage that 'may' have copyright claims, but if no one tells you then how can you fix it? That sucks! Also Microsoft Flight Simulator is great for recreating these scenarios!
The video makes me feel that pilots did not follow the proper procedures, it would be interesting to see what the final report is. Isn't there an option to manually lower the gears ?
@@mickeyagrawal2001 yes. If the gear lever fails to extend the gears, you can use a manual lever to have gravity drop it down and if it doesnt lock Inti place they can sway the aircraft left and right until it locks into place
Love your channel Juan !
And your content is accurate Juan!, unlike the video here. The graphics are just from Microsoft Flight Simulator (perhaps with some addons)
If you wanted a collaboration for animation, I'd recommend contacting Allec Joshua Ibay, who seems to take more care with accuracy. I think his work may have spawned the idea for other channels like this one.
I'm an Indian. But I respect every people and their country. And I'm sad to hear about this incident.
You guys (Pakistanis and indians) are basically the same for the rest of the world. It's laughable that you hate each other
Watching the newest report of this flight makes it so much worse.
According to currently available data, the plane was too high when it started its approach and tried to land at too high speed, forgetting to set the landing gear down despite alarms...
The pilots' fault seems rather obvious. The black boxes have been found and will be analysed in France. It's likely that they will tell what's really happened.
Absolutely correct!
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The pilots tried to lower the landing gear, but they were simply too fast.
If you are above a certain speed the plane does not allow the landing gear to be deployed - you can hear the warning sound in the ATC radio tapes.
The pilots just ignored the warnings the plane was giving out...
Yes but it's obvious they had no control as the engine stopped working. It was finished. So they were at speed. No control so he tried his best. Stop blaming him. Let them rest in peace. may Allah grant them the highest ranks of jannah
@@bilqees786 No.
You are ignoring the given evidence, please get your information straight before continuing in this conversation.
@@bilqees786
If things went like it seems they did, the pilot is 100% to blame because of a too fast approach, forgetting to lower the landing gear and ignoring alarms.
Allah is not the best source for flight procedures...
"Can you push the autopilot button"
"yes sir"
"congratulations you're hired"
It was just an overconfidence which took lives of 97 ppl. Otherwise that pilot had 17,000 flying hrs on this back.
It feels like the pilot had zero situational awareness and probably didn't even recognize that the gear was not fully deployed, which is why nothing was communicated to the ground. Once the pilot realized he was scraping metal, his first instinct was to pull up. Once up, it's too little too late and the inevitable happens. This is the only logical scenario where all the events together make any sense at all.
But weren't there audible warnings before landing?
@@mubashirdurrani 1700 hours deont make you professional but reponsibilty make you more accurate and professional aor wese be pakistan pilot puri dunyan main mashorr hai jab airport pe jaga na malay tu abadi main land karte hai aor yam islamabd ke margala phari se takrate hai tak mukmal land hojayee
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There is considerable missing information in this video.
The first approach, the aircraft was descending at almost 8000ft/min right up until established on the localiser. Only 2 minutes from touchdown the aircraft was STILL at 240kts. It touched down at 210kts, waaaay above the safe landing speed. The gear likely did not extend because they were simply flying too fast.
Not much an innocent passenger can do when the pilot (s) ignored speed warnings. 👿 What in the world? Anything after that is bound to be murder for passengers and suicide for pilot (s).
Why wasn't the copilot speaking out?👿
No,Landing Gears are down and working i have seen the real footage
@@urdu-poetry.786 Incorrect. There is no footage of the A320's first approach with landing gear extended. With ATC comms audio, the Landing Gear warning alarm can clearly be heard just prior touchdown. Further, there is footage of scrape marks on the runway that align with the A320's engines. Plus, the damage to the underside of the engines in the footage following the go-around clearly shows both engines had made contact with the runway.
With the accident report released, will you be editing this video with the new information? It's a very damning report for the pilots and the airline.
This scenario is making no sense. Lets wait for the official report rather then speculating
Me too can't believe, the pilots was ignoring the landing gear alarm.
It's not the first time, a plane was in situation like this.
1. make a deep turn around, for tower can check if landing gears are out or not by viewing, 2. If not, then land the plane without gears. This is a possible procedure.
This is pure speculation you need to comment after the preliminary report
This video only displays facts that have been confirmed by multiple sources. But not everything has been uncovered yet, so the creator said he will make a revised version once all the information becomes available.
I agree. What we saw here simply makes no sense.
I personally think that the pilot had suffered some type of medical emergency. In addition their seemed to be no input from the co-pilot.
I thing that the final report will reveal a far more complex story, possibly starting from the moment of takeoff..
I have just had a thought.
Bearing in mind that this video is a simulation and lack of gear was not mentioned in the early stages.
Could they have simply FORGOTTEN to lower the landing gear on their first approach.
This possibility makes a lot more sense.
The video was made on the ASSUMPTION that the pilots knew that the gear had not locked.