NEW RCBS MATCHMASTER Dies! Tested in 6mm Creedmoor
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RCBS is constantly looking at ways they can make their products better. One such example is their latest die set: “MATCHMASTER”. Aimed at people reloading long-range precision ammunition, this die set builds on the familiar RCBS Gold Metal die set SKUs with a few key refinements. Watch the video to find out what's new here!
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Ordered a set in 30-06 and I ordered the Summit press. Your videos are really helping me get started.
I’m not even reloading yet but MAN! I’m a happy man learning about all this stuff! But tonight I had a few beers and man I got very excited when I saw the bullet window option!
Neshkar the one in run
Just ordered my t mag and learning how to use it from your posts, mine should be here tonight .
cool it is a great idea and works great for me in 223 👍 thanks
Oh man, if only I could get you to review my dies as honestly as you reviewed these...
I just bought this for a 7mm PRC and was wondering about the seater stem being too low. Thanks for addressing that at the end!
Thanks for info on the C clip
It seemed awkward to keep backing out the die body
Great Video. Does the bullet seater uses the elevated or extended shell holder. Thank you keep the it coming.
Got to be honest I'm really looking forward to hearing your review on the Uintah precision upper, ive been in contact with Jason about a 6mm AR upper and everything sounds like a go
Please do some runout testing with expander ball dies vs using a expander mandrel die...i use Brownells gen 2 expander mandrel for 223 and 6.5 creedmoor. Thanks Brent
Appreciate the video!
As far as the products go, those 'updates' are kind of meaningless. If you're using a bushing die, you either need to be running it without the expander, or expanding with a mandrel die....in my opinion anyway.
The perfect set is a Redding or Whidden FL Bushing die, and a Forster micrometer seater. :)
You beat me to it . This never makes sense to me, surely making different diameter expander balls would make more sense.
Size a little under with the bushing, then expand to required I/D on the upstroke for better concentricity ?
Nice video. I used the RCBS Gold medal dies and they are great. You should adjust the seater down until it just cams over. That will make your seating depths more consistent. Thanks for the review.
Telling probably the best, most technical reloader in the world how to be more consistent...
Another great vid Gavin! 👍
Q: Do you have plans to test the Mighty Armory Dies (maybe 9x19)?
Hi thank you for the video. Have you tried 143 eld-x ? IBAN having issues resizing. Was told to try hornady sizing die instead!
The proposal of your channel is talk about reloading, continue to bring good news about reloading, when you try to show that you know how to make precision rifles etc. This does not run, we do not have many good channel on reloading, so keep making videos about it Because you're good on it, and you'll succeed.
Having a bit of trouble understanding what you're saying. There's lots more rifle build stuff coming. If that's not interesting to you, please skip those videos, cool?
@@Ultimatereloader lol. ok is hard to me to think in english , you make terrific videos , but i just like about reloading , sorry to tell you something like that . I'm trying to improve my english .
Hey Gavin, can this seater die be used on a progressive press like the gold medal seating die can? Thank you sir.
can you do a review on the dillon xl750?
What kind of run out are you getting with this seating die?
Another great review Gavin. With bushing dies I was under the impression not to use the expander, but instead use the straight pin?
Ok I measured my once fired cases at .298 which bushing would I order for 6.5creedmoor? For .3th neck tension in a bolt gun
Nice short video. I see that the seating die has a adjustable depth seating stem but no word on replacement stems for different bullet ogives. Any thing on this?
Just got a set for 6.5 C M
Gavin , Do you know if the bushings in the RCBS bushings dies that fit in the 6.5 PRC also will work in the 6.5 Creedmoor,,?
I Like !!
So I bought these match master dies . . . Do I have to put in a neck bushing and neck size? Or can I leave it out and just bump or FL size?
When you set up the seater the ckicks are of one thousand of an inch or it's however a "continuous" regolation?
Expensive set up with all that fix in the base plate doesn’t matter how good the dies are at all. On the up stroke how many millimeters does your press fix? Stock base plate is better and yeah that lock ring totally sucks upgrade to Hornady lock rings with the quick change system where you can lock in those settings.
Will it seat Berger VLD bullets. Or do they even make a stem for VLDS
is the bushing included when I buy the rcbs matchmaster set or do I have to buy it? do not make an error during order process and after receiving it, hating myself for a missing part ;D
ok thx, at 3:15 you answer my question
Can you use this master die sent on the forester co axe press
How was the runout on ammo produced with these dies?
Sad news about RCBS Matchmaster. Our thoughts are with his family at this difficult time.
Dermot Rooney I see what you did there 🤣
Precision is a matter of degrees. All these expensive bushing dies and micrometer seaters aren’t going to help much with factory rifles. I am somewhere between factory and the super expensive rifles you build. I trued a Remington action and installed an aftermarket trigger, Barrel and a budget friendly aluminum bedding block type stock. Using standard RCBS (carefully adjusted) dies on a Forester coax press My ammo shoots .3-.4 MOA groups off a rest. I have a feeling that I am the variable that’s limiting the rig from shooting better.
How long before someone comes up with a bullet feeder?
The RCBS instructions that came with this 2 die set says if you use a bushing you can't use the coated expander ball that comes in the sizing die, they say you have to change it out with the other decap rod that is included. So apparently you can use this die just to just push the shoulder back but if you are resizing it seems to me that the neck has to be reshaped as well. When you change the decap rod to the one included it has no expander ball or if that thing on the end is and expander ball it is way to small to resize the case mouth on the way out.I guess I'm confused as to how this is used. If I can use the sizing die with a bushing and still use the coated expander ball that comes installed in the die then resizing would be the same as how I used my other rcbs dies. Is this die a combination full length die and a necksizing only die?
I bought these dies also.
You are correct
Use the coated expander without a bushing
Use the other pin holder (decap unit) when using a bushing
The expander ball can be used without the bushing like a normal die. The only reason you would want to do that is if it’s virgin brass and the neck is under the dimension of your bushing
I don't understand why you have an expander ball in a bushing die. I thought the idea of the bushing was to size the neck as desired and not to have to have an expander ball.
Just looked at those same dies on mid south what do you think of them so far esp. For the 6mm creedmoor .
I've been using them exclusively for 6mm Creed with great results!
How do you determine neck tension? From what I understand you need a bushing of some specific size? Yes I am green to reloading
It's a function of bullet diameter and neck inside diameter, typically expressed in thousandths of an inch of "interference fit" (how much smaller the case neck ID is compared to the bullet diameter)
@@Ultimatereloader thank you for replying.! I was planning on getting this die set for 308 and was reading on the website that specific bushing size is needed . Reloading seems extremely overwhelming with so much data to absorb but I thank you for your videos ass they are a wealth of knowledge that I constantly look to. Thank you again
Which is better? Neck sizing or full case resizing? I thought neck sizing was better for accuracy?
For things like bench rest, yes, if you are loading from the magazine, neck and bump shoulder
Concentricity?
Help. I recently purchased both the lyman all american 8 turret press and these dies. Having a hard time resizing once fired brass. Any help???
Set the resizing die so it touches the shell holder than turn it .25 turn down so you have some cam over.
This will give you. 0.002 shoulder bump.
Also if you're using a bushing, replace the decapping unit that has the coated expander ball with the silver pin retainer that's came with the set
would you prefer the rcbs matchmaster or the Hornady set for 300prc???
That's what I use!
What the heck is that flying out of the press at 5:08?
Hi I bought a Kelbly in 284 winchester caliber and now I'm deciding which dies to choose ... What would you recommend between redding and rcbs matchmaster competion?
Redding
@@hewlett260 Thanks 🙏 !! But in the end I decided to buy a set of dies Wilson. Full and micrometric ball decapper with relative baler press.
@@ferdinandosammarco213 sounds like a great set up, I was simply responding to your question in the op.
I have yet to see a set of rcbs dies produce less than .004 run-out ever.
@@hewlett260 👍👍Grazie!!
Those are really nice, but really pricey.
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Wheres the howa 6mmcm? Load data, accuracy results? The world needs to know! Lol
THIS!
Does this have a VLD type seating stem?
Not exactly but it works
I am new to reloading. My first dieset is the matchmaster full length competition for a .243... I am confused... Someone told me it is supposed to crimp the neck... I don't see anything that crimps the neck. I have a neck sizer bushing though... Do I need a crimp on the neck? If so, how do I do that?
Yes I just asked the same thing. Be good if someone could answer this question ?
@@terryblenkinsop8329 What I found is that these dies don't crimp the neck, instead they rely on the neck size/tightness to hold the bullet in.
There is NO crimp designed into these dies. Most match reloads are designed on the premise that the neck tension of the case is sufficient to hold the bullet in place for loading and recoil. The only firearms that seem to need crimps are autoloaders, where the action can cause bullet setback in the chambering process, or heavy game cartridges where there is sufficient recoil from firing that the extra cartridges in the magazine get slapped from the front hard enough to set the bullets back. A .243 shouldn't recoil hard enough to do that, and If it's a bolt-gun, you'll be chambering fairly gently.
Crimping match loads,( other than a gentle taper-crimp as used on 7.62 NATO/ .308 match loads and 5.56 NATO/ .223 Match loads and a few other Hi-power match cartridges) can distort the symmetry of the precision match bullets you are using, particularly since bullets meant to be crimped have a cannelure in them, for the brass case mouth to have a place to go. Many , but not all Hunting bullets have a cannelure on them.. which is still optional. ( You can still just neck-tension hunting loads, cannelure or not.) Match bullets lack the cannelure.
If you are single-loading the cartridges for target use, one-at-a-time , you definitely don't need a crimp.
Standard, basic reloading Seating dies usually have a crimp at the top of the die. If you DON'T want a crimp, you just adjust the whole die to the shellholder ( with the ram in the fully UP position), then back it out at least a full turn. That should seat with neck tension only. If you want a crimp, you slide a loaded case into your shellholder, with the overall seating length reached , back out your seating plug a full turn, then bring the ram up full. Then you turn down the whole die until it touches the case mouth. then, adjust how much crimp you want by raising and lowering the ram over and over with 1/8 turns of the die each time until you reach your desired crimp, but not giving it SO much crimp that it rolls the neck into creating a bulge. Usually a gentle/slight angle on the mouth is sufficient, as the inside edge of the case will "bite" into the cannelure ridges and hold the bullet below the top edge of the ring. Then with the ram at full rise, bring your seater plug back down til it firmly touches the cartridge again.
I see a beautiful tool, please chek ammunition on concentricity tool. Is it ok?
Greetings from Poland
Concentricity will not make a big difference in accuracy given the typical distances most people shoot you are better off taking the time to use all the same brass cases from one manufacturer and weighting each round for optional values then taking the time to do a concentricity check.
@@Unique377At what distance would concentricity become an issue?
@@blackdotpatrick Good question no one has ever really done a good study on that very question and actually provided reliable data. In my experience accurately measured loads what are all seated to similar depths provided the best accuracy. Most folks do not bore sight their rifles or even check which types of ammo fires most accurate through them not every load will work for well in the same types of rifles each is are different in minor details. I have personally had luck with bore sighting my rifles and scopes at one hundred yards along with up grading my triggers to include a lighter pull weight then working up loads depending on the distance I plan to hit targets at. But all of my ideas are just suggestions.
Do you know if Redding neck bushings fit and work in the RCBS matchmaster dies?
Did you get an answer I'm wondering the same thing
silverghost I found a few online shops that said they will fit. I’ve ordered some but they’ve not been delivered yet.
@@jamesdriver8148 thanks I've also read they will work I have some they do go inside and seem like they are going to work
I use Hornady bushings in mine, Redding fits as well
Yes redding hornady and a couple others fit only forester doesn't
Can you use these in a Dillon xl650?
Should work great!
I don't see the point of an expanding mandrel in a die that uses neck bushings to establish seating tension. Wouldn't the mandrel mess that up?
The die set comes with a decapping pin retainer that essentially removes the expander ball from the equation... :)
I use the expanding mandrel with bushing dies when case necks are left unturned.
Steve Rowe You use the expander mandrel if your neck thickness is uneven or if you typically use more than one brand of brass.
I think you guys have validated my point. If you are going to use an expander mandrel with the bushing die, why go to the extra expense to get a bushing die to begin with.
@@steverowe2943 I totally agree with you!!!!
How much you want to bump the shoulder for a 308 win m1 garand.
About 0.003" !
@@Ultimatereloader thanks Gavin I have a ww2 m1 garand that I converted to 308 myself, and wondered how far I should bump the shoulder.
Will this work well on a Dillon 550B?
Absolutely!
Thanks! I currently use the Dillon rifle dies but would like a better seater. I've been looking at Redding, Forster and RCBS. The loading window sells me.
I bought the Matchmaster set, and was NOT impressed with the seater die at all, thinking about sending it back and going with reading or the RCBS comp die set. don't like the way you have to set up the depth with the C-clip
Just returned this seater due. Min 5-6 thousands run out on every bullet! Lapua brass and all. Poor fitment also . 2/10
Did you install a VLD stem?
Can you please tell me ......what is the inside and outside diameter of what a .223 Remington SHOULD BE, please. Also, please include the tolerances. I do have a SAMMI drawing but it’s too blurry to be clear. It’s a copy of a copy times ten. I am setting up my own version of reloading. Thanks 🤠
Don't need an expander ball with a neck sizing die.
I'm sorry, even though RCBS makes a lot of good products, they're still behind the curve on precision die sets compared to REDDING Competition Die Sets. Plus REDDING provides three dies, not just 2: a seater, a body resize, and a neck bushing sizer. And I typically ad a fourth die to the sets: a LEE Factory Collette Crimp die for autolaoders, and when using moly coated bullets.
I've been moly coating my bullets since the 90's.
And everyone is behind the curve compared to Forster :)
@@TMS5100 Not really because REDDING dies were never ment to be boutique dies for the boutique market like FORSTER.
Nothing different than any normal die. Definitely not worth the price.