No comments on the drain!?? Terrible drain design why would you want to pick up a precision machine, take it off balance, tilting and shaking to empty it and hold over a bottle trying to empty it with the chance of dropping it. To me the drain is a complete fail in design...
I know this is a really old video. With that said, I have a strange question. In standard mode, is the match master still more accurate than the the charge master?
Nine hundred dollars for this toad. Has RCBS lost its collective mind. How could you review this thing without mentioning the absurdity of the price. Gavin, try being an independent reviewer. First the Pro Chucker debacle and now this. "Green" is no longer on my radar when it comes to reloading equipment.
@@Adcomb The Pro Chucker 5 and 7 suffer from serious design flaws. The primer shuttle broke almost immediately. It is all plastic, when others use metal. They came out with a fix, but the design and materials are bad. The shell plate advance uses a spindly pot metal lever that also broke, making the machine useless. I really wanted a 7 station press, but RCBS let everyone down. Didn't they ever test this thing before releasing it to the public?
I have the chargemaster light. I have to re zero every 8-10 charges because it drifts. I’ve tried everything. It sits on a grounded pad to stop static from building up. I learned my lesson I loaded 100 rounds for my 6.5 creed. I was using it in auto mode. When I was done I realized that the scale drifted 0.6 grains. I was kind pissed off. It would of been bad if I was loading on the upper end of max. So now I use it in manual so I can check that the scale is at zero before I hit GO.
@@bryanmarks4070 I had an issue with my lyman manual scale. Turns out the power supply (rated a 6.5v when the batteries on 4.5v) was flaky. I switch the plug for a USB power supply. Rock solid. For a test I tried a bench power supply and it was far too noisy. The scale was drifting without a load and didnt stop.
@@bryanmarks4070 yea .6 grains off sucks man, but .6 grains ain’t gonna blow your rifle. Most rifles can handle at minim , 50 percent of what we usually see as max loads and pressures.
All that plastic just intensifies static just like the previous models, and a strain gauge scale still blows my mind at that price range. They better get off there high horse and lower that price to $400 if they plan to sell them to anyone that isn't brain dead.
@@danphelps368 Because I can do the exact same thing at a much lower price. A good manual powder measure and scales will get you results that are just as good, just an investment in time and I do enjoy my time reloading.
@@danphelps368 Because this is ludicrously over priced for what it is. Any of Redding's competition powder measures will do the same job for 200 bucks.
Dan Phelps you are totally wrong my friend when you say buying factory ammo is cheaper. Example = black hills 62gr TSX Barnes runs about $1.50 per round. I can make that same round for .80 cents. Not just because you like driving fast you have to buy a McLaren. Just saying!!
With a 50 year background as a software and systems engineer, I fully appreciate your thorough and logical approach to doing a "how to" video amd a product review. All I can say is "More, more, more .."
Somebody needs to make a an electronic powder dispenser which dispenses INTO A CARTRIDGE CASE instead of a pan. Instead of a pan, there is a shell holder. You insert the case, press START, the scale zeroes to the case weight and drops powder into the case directly with the aid of a funnel that catches the powder from the dispensing tubes.
That will be a hassle. Now you will have to make sure every case weighs the same and then you will have to group your cases in different weights. Then ever group will have to start with a Tare before proceeding.
@@1spitkitty I think you are confusing calibration and zeroing. We are not using the cartridge case as the calibration weight just like we are not using the powder pan as the calibration weight. --- Without changing the calibration, when you insert the cartridge case and press the button, the scale zeroes to the weight of the case irrespective of what it may be. It then measures the change in weight as the powder drops. If you input 44.2 grains the measure drops when the case becomes 44.2 +- 0.05 gr heavier than it was when you pressed START. -- The point is that there is no need to take a pan with powder and pour the powder into the case. The measure drops powder directly into the case. No spills, no chance for idiot double charging, perfect for the precision reloader.
@@dwightlooi Ah' so this unit will zero itself before every charge? Ok. That makes everything different. So it will Tare automatically before it it charges.
It will sell because rcbs is on amazon and is easily accessible. People who are just getting into reloading wont know about fx and hop straight on this “match dispenser.” Only the people who have done their research and frequent the forums will want a fx or Sartorius.
@@MikoMuru LOL. as of 9/2020 there are 4 reviews on Amazon, 54% of which are three stars and below. This was designed by a committee, especially the drinking straw trick coming out the bottom of the unit. Are you kidding me? $900. dollars? 1 year warranty? Another marketing driven design.
Gosh, I assumed street price would be $450 to $500. At $900 intro street price, I can't imagine they're going to sell many of these. Stupid price point aside, the drain seems like a point of concern. I don't think I'd like to pick up an ultra sensitive scale ($1124 MSRP) and smack it repeatedly to get the powder out of it.
Price point on it is WAY to high for an RCBS powder dispenser. And it’s horrible that it requires you to lift it up to drain out the powder. I’ll stick with my pair of Chargemaster lites and use the extra $500 dollars I would have had spend to buy this for bullets and powder. I wouldn’t even entertain buying it if it were half of the price they are asking based solely on the powder drain location. I can get a damn nice scientific balance for less than that thing nowadays. Buy a Harrell’s powder dispenser and scientific balance and trickler for the same cost and be faster and just as accurate if not more, AND I don’t need to worry about dropping them during powder draining. A big huge pass for me on this machine. Great review Gavin, just not a great product!
Sorry, but I can accurately weigh a charge in less than 12 seconds using a powder measure, beam scale and trickler........have we become that lazy? You’d need to alternate and stagger between two of these auto chargers to better that time at a helluva price
Or you could just do other tasks like case prep, bullet seating or whatnot inbetween and always have a precise powder charge at the ready when you feel like filling another case... At least that's the way I do it whenever I use my autodispenser.
You cannot weigh to this level of accuracy on a beam scale...these scales are designed and used by precision rifle shooters, not a casual pistol shooter. It's a whole different ballgame when you're shooting benchrest.
@@Meyerwoodworks I would trust a beam scale much more than an RCBS dispenser. This will never beat an fx120i autotrickler though and for around the same price.
The $400 ChargeMaster 1500 needs a free McDonalds straw to dispense the same charge consistently, and now for $900 maybe I won’t need the free straw? You fooled me once RCBS ...
Ok first stop handeling the calibration weights with your bare fingers, thats a bad habbit and should tell other people to never do it. Next you should have used a scale check weight set to check it befor declaring its good to go. No matter new or old or who's brand of scale. A very good practice of insurance. Rcbs, Lyman and others make these check weights. Just becouse its expensive does not say it cant be in error.
@@OkieFarming, agreed. I bought my Chargemaster Lite new for $160 (Cablea's Bargain Cave + Veteran discount) and it gives me accuracy that allows consistent .250" groups and a best of .120" from my match rifle.
Randy Emerson I’m thinking the same thing. I bought my chargemaster and RCBS rock chucker supreme from Cabela’s for 269 for the kit and the chargemaster and they had $175 rebate if you spent 500. So for $363 I got an entire reloading setup a few years back. That was a great deal. With the chargemaster and the kit I have been able to load several 1/4 MOA loads for a few rifles. If the rifle is capable I’m able to get the best out of it with just the plain chargemaster .
@@xenonram There is a high potential for an accidental dropping of a an expensive piece of equipment, such as this! Unless one to put it on some type of dedicated riser mount, so as to access the straw to empty the hopper, is that a better explanation for you?For the time being, I'l stand fast with my Frankford Arsenal Intellidropper, it's a solid performer. It's like people are on Recruit Difficulty around here.
@@xenonram The Intellidropper is junk! I bought it based in part on Gavin's recommendation. That thing will drift +.10 gr continuously, about every 8-10 seconds. I recorded a video of it and sent it to the mfg when i was trying to get it to work. First I was told to adjust a screw on the bottom. Then, it was sent back for a new one from the mfg. It was just as bad. Finally after several more back and forth emails, the mfg told me in so many words "too bad, all scales drift" and they stopped responding to me.
@@michaeldankert792, there's a review that puts the Chargemaster Lite against the Frankford, and the RCBS wins it in terms of accuracy and consistency.
My comparison is RCBS wins. My BRAND new Intelludropper wouldn’t do anything, brand new out of the box. 200 paper weight, plus specs per specs says intellidropper is nearly as precise. For precision rifle, you need precision weighing....
The price is very high and rcbs has always been high over the last 15 years. I wish they would cut their margin a bit to make it more attractive to everyone.
You should have placed the charge master in match mode to check its accuracy. It was likely rounding up to the nearest decimal point. In match mode it reads to the hundredths of a grain.
Definitely a no go for the price point. Along with the amount of time it takes to finish a load. Now if it was half the price, then it would be a much more interesting option.
As a mixed discipline engineer and product designer.....I believe the dispenser and the scale should be separate devices. The scale/balance can be treated carefully and the dispenser can be flipped and shaken without worry.
I do not see the need for the light to flash on/off during the trickle phase. Distracting and unneeded. Price to high for the regular guy. I guess they wont sell tons of them like I am sure FA is selling plenty of the InteliDropper.
Gavin, been impatiently waiting for your promised follow up on this. Thanks for this vid - great as always. The powder drain process seems really clunky and prone for extreme frustration. I'm also a little concerned about exactly how sensitive/accurate the scale truly is if you are talking, waving your hands and bumping your bench (which I know is solid....but) all above an uncovered weight pan. My precision scale wouldn't tolerate than and I wonder how a scale that claims the level of precision this one claims can maintain in that environment? If the final work product does, in fact, work something similar to your video then this will save a lot of time vs. rough weighing on a Chargemaster and verifying/final weighing on a pharm scale.
Gavin, I have enjoyed your channel for a long time, but in the last few months you have left many of us average guys behind. We just can’t afford hundreds or thousands of dollars for reloading equipment. Sort of disappointing
So Gavin should stop reviewing new products because your poor? Come on man get real don't dog on him cuz you can't afford something. I love seeing all the new products especially the stuff I can't afford
Thank you for the video but did I missed something? Speed? check. Precision? check. What about consistency? I can be patient, and I can adjust for precision, what I want/need is consistency.
This unit will not do well, I bought a chargemaster lite 2 years ago. I decided when it fails I'll go back to my mechanical scale and hand trickle every charge. I can buy a whole lot of reloading supplies with that money.
Very interesting.....I have the Chargemaster Lite and use it as a standard with which to measure other powder measure/dispensers. If you provide feedback to RCBS, let me suggest that it appears that the audio feedback (beep--beep) seems to be missing on the Matchmaster and I think it really is one of the features of the Chargemaster Lite that makes a big positive difference. Also, you might consider starting a special powder dispenser club for folks that have left the drain open and tried to fill the hopper. I know at least two potential members. Thank you for the review.
I‘ve measured the throws I am getting from my Chargemaster lite (rated 0.1gn accuracy) on my FX-300i and - depending on the powder - the charges are in a range of 0.15 - 0.20gn so it seems their rating is more like a +/- While that‘s certainly enough for decent precision, I can throw more consistent charges with my Redding BR-30. Would love to see some charges of this dispenser measured on a precision scale to get an impression of the real consistency.
I just got one delivered and loaded my first 20 rounds with it. I'm a distance shooter and I look for accuracy and repeatability in every step of reloading. I was super impressed with this device. In match mode at the slowest speed it accurately dropped powder in less than a minute and all were within .01 grains as confirmed on my FX. So all I can say is, does anyone want to buy an FX? :) I'll make you a deal. Now, this thing is not for everyone based on the price, but I can't argue about the accuracy/price point, there just isn't any comparison.
I noticed that both scales were not level when you did the weight comparison. That alone makes a huge difference in how accurate the scale is going to be.
Wish they would have put wind screen on a hinge. Both the new models fall with regards to the wind screen. I was very excited about this powder dispenser when introduced, but not so much now. I say that due to the wind screen, bottom drain vs. side drain “preference” and price closing on that of the AutoTrickler.
Nice machine but, So guna take me an hour to fill 100 cases. Not worth $900. Ill stay with my manual powder thrower. I have it dialed perfect evey time and fill in less than 1 second each case. Time is money when loading.
So the majority of comments are on the inordinate cost. Sorry RCBS I will stick with my little FA intellidropper @ a fraction. Are you paying attention RCBS?
Never ever shake your scale!!! Like EVER!!! how ever you should not be put in that position to empty the powder.. this is a really bad placement for a powder drain!! even if it was priced competitively (which its not!) I would pass over this one design flaw...
They must be crazy out of their minds. Who else but doctors, lawyers and corporation presidents can afford to buy that kind of stuff and for what? Just to measure powder? Nonsense
GAVIN 😎 I have watched several of your videos on digital reloading scales. I wanted to ask if you would consider doing a video on the topic comparing several of the different units side-by-side, and verify the accuracy of the scales with your lab scale. “Do any of the smaller scales compare in precision next to the RCBS matchmaster?” Thanks so much for your consideration on this topic. ~Casey
How much difference is .08 grains (0.00001 Lbs) really going to make compared to the "low quality" auto tricklers? Worth the extra $700? Also you can get the Autotrickler V3 with a scale for $940 which has the same accuracy if not better and puts out loads much quicker.
Sean Lockner while I do agree the price of this unit is insane, the 0.04gn accuracy is also 2.5x of what you get from the 0.1gn accuracy of the frankford arsenal. Basically all other electronic dispensers are stuck with that 0.1gn accuracy - with a little practice you can get that accuracy from a drum dispenser
I’ll stick with the chargemaster. Way too much work to change out powder, too slow for the “match mode” and price. My Auto Trickler is super fast, stupid accurate and way easier to change powder. The only downside to the auto trickler is dialing in powder charges when changed out.
Interesting... but I think the price needs to come down... very similar less the .04 accuracy to the other Chargemasters on the market....Gavin you need some bounce dryer sheets on your loading bench for anti-static preps.... they work great. ! Thx for sharing.
For some reason I can't help but suspect this unit is neither as fast or as accurate as my Redding BR-30 powder measure. And changing powders or charge weight on my powder measure or simply cleaning up when i am finished is definitely quicker than what this thing would be.
As with all strain gage scales, the new RCBS thrower still exhibits all of the same shortcomings. ie, slow, sensitive, and prone to drifting. I don't know what good adding the additional decimal place does when the thrower still struggles to dispense a small rifle cartridge worth of powder under 20 seconds.
Wondering what you're basing the "prone to drifting" on? From my article: Two-Day Drift Test: Here was my "acid test" for drift: Start with scale turned on, warmed up, zeroed, Leave scale on for two days, Check zero again. After performing the above test, the display read "0.0" - and that's pretty amazing!
They should have a self-calibrate mode where it learns the behavior of your particular powder on a few test throws. With this hardware I'm sure they could squeeze a little more out of the cycle times, but few users will understand the settings well enough to tune it to that level.
In my personal opinion is 1) Way to pricey. Granted with the scale probably being a HIGH quality laboratory scale which often cost in the upwards of a grand. 2) to me the draining process seems to be absurd to me. First put a tube in the bottom and the pick up the unit to put the tube in the bottle and try to hold the bottle while opening the trap door and shake the powder out? Yea NO.
The previous model was particularly bad. RCBS was forced to release a new device. I did some tests on my channel and showed how unreliable the previous model is (unfortunately only in German). I no longer trust RCBS. At the beginning everything was fine - but not later. I am now using the 10-10. At that time, RCBS still delivered good quality. Still a good video! Thank you. greetings Tom from germany
No comments on the drain!?? Terrible drain design why would you want to pick up a precision machine, take it off balance, tilting and shaking to empty it and hold over a bottle trying to empty it with the chance of dropping it. To me the drain is a complete fail in design...
I live under a rock so this is very exciting to me. I hope this is a good product.
Duck Slayer get an AutoTrickler V3 with the FX120i scale. Much better
I’ll stay with my RCBS Chargemaster at that insane price point
I know this is a really old video. With that said, I have a strange question. In standard mode, is the match master still more accurate than the the charge master?
Nine hundred dollars for this toad. Has RCBS lost its collective mind. How could you review this thing without mentioning the absurdity of the price. Gavin, try being an independent reviewer. First the Pro Chucker debacle and now this. "Green" is no longer on my radar when it comes to reloading equipment.
he also "liked" the DAA primer tube loader which is has to be used downhill and with wind in your back to work as advertised.
@@Adcomb The Pro Chucker 5 and 7 suffer from serious design flaws. The primer shuttle broke almost immediately. It is all plastic, when others use metal. They came out with a fix, but the design and materials are bad. The shell plate advance uses a spindly pot metal lever that also broke, making the machine useless. I really wanted a 7 station press, but RCBS let everyone down. Didn't they ever test this thing before releasing it to the public?
Drain system looks like it sucks compared to the old model I can see powder going everywhere
I agree. One thing I can’t stand about my charge master lite. Is the drain. It isn’t a positive tight knob.
Emptying that thing sucks! I have a hard time shaking my precision scales!
Would be nice if the scale portion detached for the powder changes.
Try using canned air
Gavin, now load 100 cartridges without recalibrating and check the weight on your FX to see how much this RCBS drifts over a load session.
Niles Coyote indeed, would have loved to see a charge check with the fx-120
I have the chargemaster light. I have to re zero every 8-10 charges because it drifts. I’ve tried everything. It sits on a grounded pad to stop static from building up. I learned my lesson I loaded 100 rounds for my 6.5 creed. I was using it in auto mode. When I was done I realized that the scale drifted 0.6 grains. I was kind pissed off. It would of been bad if I was loading on the upper end of max. So now I use it in manual so I can check that the scale is at zero before I hit GO.
@@bryanmarks4070 i know how you feel i use mine in auto i go .2 below what i want then put it on the manual scales to check and trickle in what i need
@@bryanmarks4070 I had an issue with my lyman manual scale. Turns out the power supply (rated a 6.5v when the batteries on 4.5v) was flaky. I switch the plug for a USB power supply. Rock solid. For a test I tried a bench power supply and it was far too noisy. The scale was drifting without a load and didnt stop.
@@bryanmarks4070 yea .6 grains off sucks man, but .6 grains ain’t gonna blow your rifle. Most rifles can handle at minim , 50 percent of what we usually see as max loads and pressures.
All that plastic just intensifies static just like the previous models, and a strain gauge scale still blows my mind at that price range. They better get off there high horse and lower that price to $400 if they plan to sell them to anyone that isn't brain dead.
Aye, Gavin, it seems like any other powder dispenser. A for accuracy. B for looks. I'm not too keen on emptying the powder from the bottom!
Yeah that price is gonna have to be halved for me to justify..... that's crazy
Utterly crazy. $900 bucks. Way to price yourself out of the market!!!
Double the speed of the charge master and More accuracy dubble the price
@@jadoncampbell2740 Same price as the more accurate FX-120i and Auto Thrower/Auto Trickler 3.0
Gonna have to give it a huge "no-go" based on that price point...
I agree Hank
Why get into handloading if youre afraid of spending money? Be alot cheaper to just buy factory ammo
@@danphelps368 Because I can do the exact same thing at a much lower price. A good manual powder measure and scales will get you results that are just as good, just an investment in time and I do enjoy my time reloading.
@@danphelps368 Because this is ludicrously over priced for what it is. Any of Redding's competition powder measures will do the same job for 200 bucks.
Dan Phelps you are totally wrong my friend when you say buying factory ammo is cheaper.
Example = black hills 62gr TSX Barnes runs about $1.50 per round. I can make that same round for .80 cents. Not just because you like driving fast you have to buy a McLaren. Just saying!!
With a 50 year background as a software and systems engineer, I fully appreciate your thorough and logical approach to doing a "how to" video amd a product review. All I can say is "More, more, more .."
Somebody needs to make a an electronic powder dispenser which dispenses INTO A CARTRIDGE CASE instead of a pan. Instead of a pan, there is a shell holder. You insert the case, press START, the scale zeroes to the case weight and drops powder into the case directly with the aid of a funnel that catches the powder from the dispensing tubes.
That will be a hassle.
Now you will have to make sure every case weighs the same and then you will have to group your cases in different weights.
Then ever group will have to start with a Tare before proceeding.
@@1spitkitty I think you are confusing calibration and zeroing. We are not using the cartridge case as the calibration weight just like we are not using the powder pan as the calibration weight.
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Without changing the calibration, when you insert the cartridge case and press the button, the scale zeroes to the weight of the case irrespective of what it may be. It then measures the change in weight as the powder drops. If you input 44.2 grains the measure drops when the case becomes 44.2 +- 0.05 gr heavier than it was when you pressed START.
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The point is that there is no need to take a pan with powder and pour the powder into the case. The measure drops powder directly into the case. No spills, no chance for idiot double charging, perfect for the precision reloader.
@@dwightlooi
Ah' so this unit will zero itself before every charge?
Ok. That makes everything different.
So it will Tare automatically before it it charges.
No thanks. This unit isn’t going to sell well at all. The AutoTrickler V3 setup is 3x faster, more accurate and in the same price range. Hard nope
That is exactly what I was thinking.
And the FX has a much better sensor...
It will sell because rcbs is on amazon and is easily accessible. People who are just getting into reloading wont know about fx and hop straight on this “match dispenser.” Only the people who have done their research and frequent the forums will want a fx or Sartorius.
Not to mention this RCBS only has 1 year warranty where the FX120i has 5 year warranty
@@MikoMuru LOL. as of 9/2020 there are 4 reviews on Amazon, 54% of which are three stars and below. This was designed by a committee, especially the
drinking straw trick coming out the bottom of the unit. Are you kidding me? $900. dollars? 1 year warranty? Another marketing driven design.
Gosh, I assumed street price would be $450 to $500. At $900 intro street price, I can't imagine they're going to sell many of these.
Stupid price point aside, the drain seems like a point of concern. I don't think I'd like to pick up an ultra sensitive scale ($1124 MSRP) and smack it repeatedly to get the powder out of it.
Price point on it is WAY to high for an RCBS powder dispenser. And it’s horrible that it requires you to lift it up to drain out the powder. I’ll stick with my pair of Chargemaster lites and use the extra $500 dollars I would have had spend to buy this for bullets and powder. I wouldn’t even entertain buying it if it were half of the price they are asking based solely on the powder drain location. I can get a damn nice scientific balance for less than that thing nowadays. Buy a Harrell’s powder dispenser and scientific balance and trickler for the same cost and be faster and just as accurate if not more, AND I don’t need to worry about dropping them during powder draining.
A big huge pass for me on this machine.
Great review Gavin, just not a great product!
Sorry, but I can accurately weigh a charge in less than 12 seconds using a powder measure, beam scale and trickler........have we become that lazy?
You’d need to alternate and stagger between two of these auto chargers to better that time at a helluva price
Or you could just do other tasks like case prep, bullet seating or whatnot inbetween and always have a precise powder charge at the ready when you feel like filling another case... At least that's the way I do it whenever I use my autodispenser.
@@maosw for 900$ you can pay someone to do it for you..LOL
maosw now that makes sense!
You cannot weigh to this level of accuracy on a beam scale...these scales are designed and used by precision rifle shooters, not a casual pistol shooter. It's a whole different ballgame when you're shooting benchrest.
@@Meyerwoodworks I would trust a beam scale much more than an RCBS dispenser. This will never beat an fx120i autotrickler though and for around the same price.
@ 4:20 ----> the windscreen is important, but most people don't realize CELLPHONES being close (
Over at Midway they have it listed, in stock 11/20 for $899 (List price $1123.95) OUCH!
HOLY COW!!!! I WAS READY TO BUY ONE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM GONNA GET THE $199.00 MODEL, TRUST ME IT WILL DO THE JOB AND THEN SOME.😉👉
@@Plainsimple67 Holy shit 899! fuck that. I agree the $200 model will do the exact same thing
What the actual????
@@JFT803 for sure.
The $400 ChargeMaster 1500 needs a free McDonalds straw to dispense the same charge consistently, and now for $900 maybe I won’t need the free straw? You fooled me once RCBS ...
Ok first stop handeling the calibration weights with your bare fingers, thats a bad habbit and should tell other people to never do it. Next you should have used a scale check weight set to check it befor declaring its good to go. No matter new or old or who's brand of scale. A very good practice of insurance. Rcbs, Lyman and others make these check weights. Just becouse its expensive does not say it cant be in error.
I don't understand the need to interface it with your phone? Spending a lot of money on something you don't need.
Functions like my chargemaster lite, that price is the killer, just a Chargemaster lite with lipstick on
I can't see any advantage over my chargemaster. In fact, the price and powder drain being on the bottom would be a killer for me
@@OkieFarming, agreed. I bought my Chargemaster Lite new for $160 (Cablea's Bargain Cave + Veteran discount) and it gives me accuracy that allows consistent .250" groups and a best of .120" from my match rifle.
Randy Emerson I’m thinking the same thing. I bought my chargemaster and RCBS rock chucker supreme from Cabela’s for 269 for the kit and the chargemaster and they had $175 rebate if you spent 500. So for $363 I got an entire reloading setup a few years back. That was a great deal. With the chargemaster and the kit I have been able to load several 1/4 MOA loads for a few rifles. If the rifle is capable I’m able to get the best out of it with just the plain chargemaster .
That's an expensive dropsy waiting to happen, when emptying! How many drops can a precision balance/scale take?
People who use words like "dropsy," will DEFINITELY be more prone to dropping it. Right?
@@xenonram There is a high potential for an accidental dropping of a an expensive piece of equipment, such as this! Unless one to put it on some type of dedicated riser mount, so as to access the straw to empty the hopper, is that a better explanation for you?For the time being, I'l stand fast with my Frankford Arsenal Intellidropper, it's a solid performer. It's like people are on Recruit Difficulty around here.
I’d like to see a side by side comparison with the Frankford Arsenal Intellidropper?
Considering it's 4x the cost of the Intellidropper, I'd say the Intellidropper is a much better value.
@@xenonram The Intellidropper is junk! I bought it based in part on Gavin's recommendation. That thing will drift +.10 gr continuously, about every 8-10 seconds. I recorded a video of it and sent it to the mfg when i was trying to get it to work. First I was told to adjust a screw on the bottom. Then, it was sent back for a new one from the mfg. It was just as bad. Finally after several more back and forth emails, the mfg told me in so many words "too bad, all scales drift" and they stopped responding to me.
@@michaeldankert792, there's a review that puts the Chargemaster Lite against the Frankford, and the RCBS wins it in terms of accuracy and consistency.
My comparison is RCBS wins. My BRAND new Intelludropper wouldn’t do anything, brand new out of the box. 200 paper weight, plus specs per specs says intellidropper is nearly as precise. For precision rifle, you need precision weighing....
Fx120 auto trickler for the win.
You hit the number “0” instead of the word “zero” during the transportation screw setup, that is incorrect.😉
The price is very high and rcbs has always been high over the last 15 years. I wish they would cut their margin a bit to make it more attractive to everyone.
Gonna stick with my Chargemaster Lite. Love it. Great dispenser for the price!
You should have placed the charge master in match mode to check its accuracy. It was likely rounding up to the nearest decimal point.
In match mode it reads to the hundredths of a grain.
Definitely a no go for the price point. Along with the amount of time it takes to finish a load.
Now if it was half the price, then it would be a much more interesting option.
As a mixed discipline engineer and product designer.....I believe the dispenser and the scale should be separate devices. The scale/balance can be treated carefully and the dispenser can be flipped and shaken without worry.
Things just keep getting better and better. It’s crazy. Unfortunately the continued to get more expensive too 😂.
ILL STICK WITH THE AUTOTRICKLER V3
I do not see the need for the light to flash on/off during the trickle phase. Distracting and unneeded. Price to high for the regular guy. I guess they wont sell tons of them like I am sure FA is selling plenty of the InteliDropper.
Gavin, been impatiently waiting for your promised follow up on this. Thanks for this vid - great as always. The powder drain process seems really clunky and prone for extreme frustration.
I'm also a little concerned about exactly how sensitive/accurate the scale truly is if you are talking, waving your hands and bumping your bench (which I know is solid....but) all above an uncovered weight pan. My precision scale wouldn't tolerate than and I wonder how a scale that claims the level of precision this one claims can maintain in that environment?
If the final work product does, in fact, work something similar to your video then this will save a lot of time vs. rough weighing on a Chargemaster and verifying/final weighing on a pharm scale.
Gavin, I have enjoyed your channel for a long time, but in the last few months you have left many of us average guys behind. We just can’t afford hundreds or thousands of dollars for reloading equipment. Sort of disappointing
So Gavin should stop reviewing new products because your poor?
Come on man get real don't dog on him cuz you can't afford something.
I love seeing all the new products especially the stuff I can't afford
Glad to see the comparisons of the charge weights across both scales as a verification...Looking like a great dispensing scale setup from RCBS!
WAY TOO MANY $$$ for what it does. Can trickle myself for so much less.
Great video but I’ll continue using my mechanical scale.
Thank you for the video but did I missed something? Speed? check. Precision? check. What about consistency? I can be patient, and I can adjust for precision, what I want/need is consistency.
After looking up the price I will continue to do this by hand with a scale.
I agree. I do it the same way myself
I agree. I do it the same way myself also
$900???? GTFOH ...... rediculous i tell ya!!!!!
This unit will not do well, I bought a chargemaster lite 2 years ago. I decided when it fails I'll go back to my mechanical scale and hand trickle every charge. I can buy a whole lot of reloading supplies with that money.
Still quite much slower compared to the autotrickler, and yet not as accurate. Do you see any benefits of this unit over the autotrickler?
I don’t. You can get into a V4 with fx120 for $1000
Way too expensive and too slow for my reloading. If I would have used one of those to load the 1100 9mm I just loaded I would still be loading them
Hello. Super, cool. They ask for a lot of money....🤔🤔🙄🙄(Привет. Супер, круто. Но они просят много денег....)
nice scale but way too much money.
Very interesting.....I have the Chargemaster Lite and use it as a standard with which to measure other powder measure/dispensers. If you provide feedback to RCBS, let me suggest that it appears that the audio feedback (beep--beep) seems to be missing on the Matchmaster and I think it really is one of the features of the Chargemaster Lite that makes a big positive difference. Also, you might consider starting a special powder dispenser club for folks that have left the drain open and tried to fill the hopper. I know at least two potential members. Thank you for the review.
I‘ve measured the throws I am getting from my Chargemaster lite (rated 0.1gn accuracy) on my FX-300i and - depending on the powder - the charges are in a range of 0.15 - 0.20gn so it seems their rating is more like a +/-
While that‘s certainly enough for decent precision, I can throw more consistent charges with my Redding BR-30.
Would love to see some charges of this dispenser measured on a precision scale to get an impression of the real consistency.
I just got one delivered and loaded my first 20 rounds with it. I'm a distance shooter and I look for accuracy and repeatability in every step of reloading. I was super impressed with this device. In match mode at the slowest speed it accurately dropped powder in less than a minute and all were within .01 grains as confirmed on my FX. So all I can say is, does anyone want to buy an FX? :) I'll make you a deal. Now, this thing is not for everyone based on the price, but I can't argue about the accuracy/price point, there just isn't any comparison.
Not bad I suppose. I would love to see you test the drops from the Frankford Arsenal Intellidropper on the FX120i the way you did in this video.
I noticed that both scales were not level when you did the weight comparison. That alone makes a huge difference in how accurate the scale is going to be.
Wish they would have put wind screen on a hinge. Both the new models fall with regards to the wind screen. I was very excited about this powder dispenser when introduced, but not so much now. I say that due to the wind screen, bottom drain vs. side drain “preference” and price closing on that of the AutoTrickler.
Price point is a killer.
Nice machine but, So guna take me an hour to fill 100 cases. Not worth $900. Ill stay with my manual powder thrower. I have it dialed perfect evey time and fill in less than 1 second each case. Time is money when loading.
So the majority of comments are on the inordinate cost. Sorry RCBS I will stick with my little FA intellidropper @ a fraction. Are you paying attention RCBS?
Waste of money IMO.
I'd love to buy one if it weren't so overpriced.
Like victor Torres said... but f me here in Australia it's over $2000... I will stick to an A&D and trickle up manualy
RCBS so concerned about damage during transportation. Why not turn screw for transportation when emptying? You’re shaking the dickens out of it.
For $900 you can have the Autotrickler full kit with what is likely a better scale.
Never ever shake your scale!!! Like EVER!!! how ever you should not be put in that position to empty the powder.. this is a really bad placement for a powder drain!! even if it was priced competitively (which its not!) I would pass over this one design flaw...
Hopefully the firmware guys modify that backlight code to be epileptic compatible. Why does it flash?????
They must be crazy out of their minds. Who else but doctors, lawyers and corporation presidents can afford to buy that kind of stuff and for what? Just to measure powder? Nonsense
Shave $500 off the price and MAYBE I’m interested. Maybe. Ok not really because I’m smart enough to know 0.04gr out of 40 doesn’t matter
Price is laughable, $150 scale wrapped in chineese plastic. I'm sure there are better options for half that price.
Looks nice but is spend the little extra get the v3 Auto trickler... but in fact I just orders a charmaster lite as it’s still very accurat and cheap
Everyone complaining on the price and i find it for sale in the UK for £1400, ARGHH
GAVIN 😎 I have watched several of your videos on digital reloading scales.
I wanted to ask if you would consider doing a video on the topic comparing several of the different units side-by-side, and verify the accuracy of the scales with your lab scale.
“Do any of the smaller scales compare in precision next to the RCBS matchmaster?”
Thanks so much for your consideration on this topic.
~Casey
Dose anyone have just 1 lb of h4198 that I can buy ? I bought a smokeless muzzleloader and can’t even sight it in for hunting season plz help
How much difference is .08 grains (0.00001 Lbs) really going to make compared to the "low quality" auto tricklers? Worth the extra $700? Also you can get the Autotrickler V3 with a scale for $940 which has the same accuracy if not better and puts out loads much quicker.
I guess if it was made in the USA it would be noted, kind of pricey for off shore manufacture if that's the case
Thank you for pre-cutting the tape. No one cares to see someone Fidel around with a knife trying to find the tape
I just watched a RCBS that said to NOT use the wind screen BC the static from it will effect accuracy.
Council for the rosecution is going to love combing through your reloading data on your phone to determine intent after a self defense encounter.
its like a slower version of the frankford arsenal electronic dropper, but at a mere 4x(or more!) the price! what a deal.
Sean Lockner while I do agree the price of this unit is insane, the 0.04gn accuracy is also 2.5x of what you get from the 0.1gn accuracy of the frankford arsenal. Basically all other electronic dispensers are stuck with that 0.1gn accuracy - with a little practice you can get that accuracy from a drum dispenser
I’ll stick with the chargemaster. Way too much work to change out powder, too slow for the “match mode” and price. My Auto Trickler is super fast, stupid accurate and way easier to change powder. The only downside to the auto trickler is dialing in powder charges when changed out.
Interesting... but I think the price needs to come down... very similar less the .04 accuracy to the other Chargemasters on the market....Gavin you need some bounce dryer sheets on your loading bench for anti-static preps.... they work great. ! Thx for sharing.
Randall, good call on the static sheets, had some, lost them in the move :)
I feel like my charmaster 1500 works better but just doesn't show an extra digit.
want one but in the uk they are £1400 way to much for me... rather buy a new gun for that sorry
Sweet scale, TERRIBLE drain system. Hard pass for me.
Dude how is the app such a piece of shit... like seriously can't get it to even connect with my android
Static can be dangerous wear eye protection If you care about your eye site. Stay well grounded.
For some reason I can't help but suspect this unit is neither as fast or as accurate as my Redding BR-30 powder measure. And changing powders or charge weight on my powder measure or simply cleaning up when i am finished is definitely quicker than what this thing would be.
The accuracy of that RCBS unit is impressive. I’ve seen other videos comparing this machine and it looks really good.
Video made my decision to spend $900 to buy this dispenser a lot easier!!!
Good review. I will stick with my AutoTricker. I had an older RCBS scale fail out of warranty. No more RCBS electronics for me. Their dies are good.
As with all strain gage scales, the new RCBS thrower still exhibits all of the same shortcomings. ie, slow, sensitive, and prone to drifting. I don't know what good adding the additional decimal place does when the thrower still struggles to dispense a small rifle cartridge worth of powder under 20 seconds.
Wondering what you're basing the "prone to drifting" on? From my article: Two-Day Drift Test: Here was my "acid test" for drift: Start with scale turned on, warmed up, zeroed, Leave scale on for two days, Check zero again. After performing the above test, the display read "0.0" - and that's pretty amazing!
The scale hasn't drifted ever, at all.
@@Ultimatereloader You threw a charge and then had to hit the zero button. It's in your video.
What a pain in the ass. The old fashioned way is quicker and more accurate.
They should have a self-calibrate mode where it learns the behavior of your particular powder on a few test throws. With this hardware I'm sure they could squeeze a little more out of the cycle times, but few users will understand the settings well enough to tune it to that level.
I really like this video that be something to get right there
The old chargemaster does a 24. Gr load in half the time of the new one
I like to use vacuum cleaner to make sure I get all the power out
In my personal opinion is 1) Way to pricey. Granted with the scale probably being a HIGH quality laboratory scale which often cost in the upwards of a grand. 2) to me the draining process seems to be absurd to me. First put a tube in the bottom and the pick up the unit to put the tube in the bottle and try to hold the bottle while opening the trap door and shake the powder out? Yea NO.
Nah the scale is nothing near a lab scale. Trash like the rest of the reloading companies offerings.
this devices with touching Displays arent good :-(
Nothing but bad reviews on google play store.
The biggest difference is that is 800 dollars
The previous model was particularly bad. RCBS was forced to release a new device. I did some tests on my channel and showed how unreliable the previous model is (unfortunately only in German). I no longer trust RCBS. At the beginning everything was fine - but not later. I am now using the 10-10. At that time, RCBS still delivered good quality. Still a good video! Thank you. greetings Tom from germany