The worst part about twitch ads is that, unlike tv, or TH-cam, you MISS CONTENT. You're not just getting interrupted, you miss up to 3-4 minutes of context. Imagine watching TV then missing parts of the show, so yu get back from the ad break and dont know wtf is going on.
How, youtube is free, very consumer friendly. In 2015 they said youtube doesn't even make profit, It's break-even. They may be profitable today, but they haven't released that information.
It's interesting to see how hard Twitch is trying to kill all of their business. It's actually insane. Senseless bans, cutting revenue, blatant double standards, it's nuts.
It may well be that people are deliberately doing a poor job to lose the business over poor management rather than taking responsibility for other decisions like if they were to just close the website formally. A gradual decline in quality may be a better option to transition their business partners (e.g. the people they run ads for) to their new or alternate service, rather than saying "we don't want to do this and we fucked up will you still do business with us?". That, and also the obvious money grubbing from the ad and sub revenue splits. It looks a lot like a "take the money and run, just let it fall apart and cut those loses" situation.
its picking between the lesser evils that'll make people come to yt. hopefully this will give some sort of incentive for yt to improve their platform, not just for streaming
pretty scary tbh. YT is just waiting for the exodus to resolve so they can concoct their own fuckery in secret a year down the road once all the accounts have been moved over and monetized.
It always has… shirtless? Banned. anything that could be interpreted as offensive? Banned. The only thing it has over TH-cam is more relaxed copyright enforcement. Not enough to make it worthwhile imo
I'm actually impressed by Twitch because i had never seen this amount of controversy in one site, all at the same time, is like they actually found the perfect formula for their demise in a week or two.
We needed this video. I'm a Twitch partner and was only staying for a potential 70/30 split. This announcement was the opposite of what I wanted to hear so I think it's TH-cam time :)
I think the 70% up to first 100k is fair then down to 50%. It is very similar to to progressive system of taxes where the more money you make the larger percentage gets taken from you. If you don't agree with the change Twitch is making then maybe you shouldn't agree with the progressive tax scheme either. The only change I think is that everyone should be on 70/30 split at first then go to 60/40 after $50k then 50/50 on everything above $100k.
@@josuebalderas2075 K but how does your employer which benefits the employer solely taking 50% relate to taxes which in theory benefits society as a whole?
@@amazingsil Facts. Idk how Twitch taking a 50% split AND pushing more ads to further fill the corporation's pockets with more money is in anyway related to our tax systems. Taxes are taken and put into different things to benefit and help society. I agree w/ you 100% @sss, and I definitely disagree w/ you @Josue. The analogy between twitch revenue, and tax in our modern day society doesn't make sense in this situation whatsoever. Twitch is not helping viewer experience in anyway, especially with this ad agenda. Twitch is just being greedy, and it's gonna backfire due to top streamers leaving.
TH-cam vs. Twitch is the dumbest competition between rivals ever. It's like watching two ship captains taking turns to poke holes in their own ships, while the rats scurry back and forth based on which one is the least waterlogged.
I'll be real, after watching this video, the part of TH-cam's ship containing streams seems dry as a bone compared to Twitch. And considering that almost Twitch's entire ship is about streams, they're definitely the losers on this one
The only thing that scare me about twitch death is that it will give more market share to youtube, and god knows youtube doesnt need more power because they are right behind twitch itself when it comes to bad decision.
What YT needs to do in my opinion is: - add a "live now" section on the main page (talking browser currently) where you're shown people who are live and are either people you've subscribed to, or are people streaming similar content to what you watch (YT already has a decent enough algorithm for that) - also they can modify their algorithm to increase discoverability a bit by favoring smaller streamers who are streaming the content the user is interested in (let's say 50% of the recommendations are mid-to-large size streamers and the other 50% are smaller streamers). It would increase discoverability for new people, but also not neglect the larger people - add some kind of indicator when watching someone's videos if that person is live (small banner above the video saying "{user} is currently live! Click here to go to their stream", or an animated button in the video overlay) - improve the overall UI of the streams (could just base it off of Twitch's UI, they can't sue them for having a similar-looking UI as long as it's different enough) Then they can just sit back and watch Twitch die out while their pockets are being filled with all the old revenue Twitch was making + the revenue from new people making it on the platform + the ad revenue from more content being created on the platform. And while YT is far from being perfect in terms of moderating the community, it sure as hell is a lot better than Twitch which is straight-up biased and gives different punishments for the exact same offense to different people, which would just bring them even more interest.
@Rockerguy96 : at least if you look at your "subscriptions" list, any of your subs who are currently streaming are at the top, with a red wavey symbol (I don't know if you use phone, but on PC this is done with just one click of the three lines in the top left).
But dont yall see the big picture? If twitch died out and everyone would go to yt cuz of that yt will have more control over the market so they will do the same thing and people would go back to twitch and than 50/50 would be normal
That does seem to be a common trend for big companies when the don't have to worry about too much competition... YT is already making it harder for smaller creators with their ever increasing limitations, one of which being videos under 10min are less likely to be picked up...
I was watching a small streamer today, and I noticed the ads were hitting individual viewers at different times. The streamer wanted to wait for the ads to stop, because they had only a few viewers and they were chatting with them. But for like 20 minutes straight a random cluster of viewers would get half a dozen ads, and then when those viewers were back, another portion of the viewers were hit with six 30-second ads. And this kept going for so long. It made it impossible for the streamer to hold a dialogue with their viewers because there were constantly portions of people being pulled from the conversation. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must have been for that streamer getting crippled like that.
I agree with others who have said this: Amazon is so greedy they could make Walmart blush. It's not surprising that they're taking more money from creators without giving anything in return.
i don't know much about finance, I'm wondering if Amazon is trying to pull off something similar to a vulture fund but with Twitch instead of newspaper orgs
I'm willing to bet most of this is a decision from Twitch, don't misunderstand me, Amazon is Greedy AF and is up there with Disney when it comes to the lack of morals, but the fact that TH-cam isn't making these decisions but Twitch is shows that it's definitely something from Twitch itself.
10:30 you point out a great thing here - when ads are organically placed they are an absolute win win in terms of the streamer getting paid but viewers trusting and understanding that they aren't missing anything. And for those who are still annoyed by the ad content itself, they can sub. As it is today though you see ads in most twitch contexts and you feel you are completely missing content which is massively disruptive, degrades the quality of a stream and ultimately increases the bounce rate which probably ultimately does more harm than good in terms of the bottom line growth etc
Another plus about TH-cam streaming that I do not see people talk about nearly enough is the ability to rewind the ENTIRE stream. If you join late, you can start at the beginning without live chat like a VOD, but don't have to wait until the end of the stream. You can also rewatch parts without the need for clips, and if you tuned in to just see a certain part, not having to worry about missing it.
This is the main reason I never bothered with Twitch. I assume the reason for Twitch being the way it is is something along the lines of it being cheaper for them to not hold onto that data, but I literally cannot catch a live stream of the people I care to watch, let alone in full. My work schedule doesn't sync well to ANYTHING. XD Also, last time I bothered with Twitch, the highlights were straight garbage. A literal clusterfuck that I don't know how anyone thought it was a good idea or bothered with it at all.
@@TaoScribble And when the stars align and you can watch a stream from the beginning, you get 4 unskipable 30 second ads in a row and u miss the whole context of the stream 💀
The terrifying thing about all of that, is that as soon as Twitch have successfully killed themselves off the streaming space, the lack of competition will absolutely incentivize TH-cam to turn to greedier deals. I can guarantee that TH-cam will eventually align to Twitch's 50-50 deal, however time that takes.
That's how it always is. People acting like TH-cam won't eventually try to do that. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised to see after the whole 50/50 debacle calms down on Twitch that TH-cam will implement it knowing the backlash will eventually subside. It's like when Apple took away the charger for their phones then not too long after Samsung decided to do it too after shitting on Apple for doing that. Once a company sees something sticking without any problems they'll follow suit.
That's how a cabal works. It doesn't even need dark rooms and secret meetings. You simply have to _know_ that whatever your company does to make more money, every other company will do too. We're all so addicted to these online spaces that they know we won't go anywhere else... they have zero incentive to actually compete once they've carved out their chunk of market share. The customer base for these companies cares less about good services than they do about bad press. Market share is won on Twitter. Why would companies need to waste money improving their platforms, when they can step over their competition by sitting back and watching them get cancelled? You're absolutely right... TH-cam's 50-50 deal will happen soon enough no matter what happens to Twitch.
Exactly, TH-cam has no more massive competitors. It’s like getting two giants to fight thinking they’ll just match each other’s strength and moves forever, but eventually one giant falls and the last one standing decides to go for the village next.
Except VODs are nearly unwatchable unless they're reuploaded on youtube. Enjoy gettting spammed with 3 ads in a row, each of them 20 to 30 seconds long, every ten minutes or so? That's Twitch's VODs in a nutshell.
@@ballad5708 at least on youtube, there would be a few skippable ad. The new twitch ad is going to be unskippable. Its going to hurt their content creator and their veiwers.
@@emilyd8884 VOD is short for “Video On Demand” at least that’s what i think. Basically means i’m able to watch a stream that already happened on twitch
i think the funniest thing about this entire situation is how youtube was going down a bad road with the favoritism and racism stuff, but then twitch decided to 1 up youtube by not only having their staff paid off, but taking money away from creators, allowing someone to get away with getting piped on stream, AND so many big creators being outed as weirdos
@@m.inittttt funny thing is, she wasn't actually getting railed on stream the first time, just fingered/eaten out, but this time she is straight up bouncing on a D*** slightly off camera. she one upped herself lol
If Charlie starts streaming on TH-cam I'll 100% watch it. I barely even touch Twitch nowadays just because of how inconvenient it is to use the platform
i've stopped watching twitch since 2013 bcos of how laggy their streams get for me on my end so seeing it fall is kinda insane. felt like my 2013 issues were an omen.
One thing with youtube that I love is that streams are seamlessly integrated into their video "flow". Missed the beginning of the stream? watch 10 minutes behind if you don't care as much about being live, or, rewatch it as a video later, immediately after the stream is done, since it's just a video now
My friend once jokingly said Twitch accidentally hired TH-cam spy with the goal to destroy all TH-cam's competition, but at this point it might be the actual reality
nah.. there's no Accident; it's just someone on the high tower not understanding what games are about; and trying to figure just how to squeeze us dry. they lose more then they gain with twitch, but it's fucking amazon. they make so much, yet they clearly wanna save a penny then use a dime to save something.
They can't give everyone a 70/30 split, how will they pay their top-notch creator support team? I mean, these boys have to spend literally all day ignoring wrongful unban requests WHILE ALSO spinning a little wheel in the office that gives an completely arbitrary number of days for each ban. We're all in this together, Charlie.
Twitch loses money hosting the website anyway, it doesn't seem that greedy when you think of it that way. And everyone already knows about google loses millions on youtube.
One of the worst parts is that the ads are sooooo mich louder than the actual content. Which is afaik at least in Germany illegal but happens every single ad brake on twitch
@@brunomenezes9011 nah, the company if it goes too far will simply get boycotted or replaced. People seem to misunderstand something. You don’t have to provide a superior service in order to compete. You simply need to be a friendlier option.
@@demscrazy6574 Yeah just like how totally not evil Disney owns the entire movie and television industry. I'm sure the "friendly" alternative could beat them, right?
@@demscrazy6574 then why aren’t any of the massive, blatantly evil corporations like Nestle and Chevron being boycotted or out-competed? Both companies have committed massive human rights violations all over the world in the name of profit but they are still around and still getting away with it.
@@HisRoyalFreshness163 maybe if stupid consoomers didnt eat up literally everything they produce no matter how terrible it is they might see the problems and work to correct them, but they could literally take a pile of shit and slap a superhero outfit on it and call everyone racist and sexist for not liking it and still make billions.
I’ve never seen a company so dedicated to passive aggressively attacking their own customers, just show such open contempt for the people that make them their money.
@@genericname2747 they already know fans are going to buy new things like new releases-and I’m one of them I already signed my soul away to a nostalgic video game company
It's still number 8. Is it really surprising TH-cam is going to be fine with promoting criticism of one of the few places that is anything like a rival?
@@mathphysicsnerd No like I mean, my trending pages right now are 80% my country, even if they dont have that many views. Thats why I never liked the page because it was always just reality shows from my country which I never watch.
@@DanksterPaws Oh of course, Trending was always dogshit, no one I know uses it. My point was just that I don't find it surprising in the slightest TH-cam is doing what (likely ineffectual) things it can to keep this video in the spotlight
@@Enter8909 Ad blocking only gets you so far. Promos generated by your apps appear on your phone lock screen. Emails from your insurance companies and banks are often ads. TH-cam, twitch, and Facebook are swimming in unskippables, not to mention sponsors. Playstation now auto loads ads from the PSN into your media bar. Some games even act as vectors for advertising (look at Street fighter V). Even if you pay for premium services like Spotify, you still have to sidestep suggestions that railroad you into what they want.
"Twitch chat is better than TH-cam chat" Twitch chat is literally just people spamming the exact same things on cooldown across all Twitch channels and flooding the chat with emotes for 5 minutes every time absolutely anything happens. It's a horrible, miserable experience of hundreds of people trying to get noticed by the streamer while simultaneously being part of some hivemind.
that depends more on the channel, not all are like that but yeah most are pretty awful. at least the really big ones. twitch chat is better technically and has more features
@@theodordalene438 TH-cam has a slow mode where you can only comment once per minute. If they could actually display a timer that shows how much time you have left instead of saying "you have to wait X more seconds to comment" and it would post them after a minute passes that would be great.
If Twitch kills itself, there will be nothing left to compete against TH-cam, I seriously hope that Twitch can get back on track because I don't want TH-cam to have a monopoly over video sharing AND streaming...
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@@defaultuser1447 emotes and a more consistent chat (Sometimes YT doesn’t show a streamer/other viewers certain messages and has much worse ping issues). But those aren’t dealbreakers for me- I just wish it was easier to search by livestream category on YT
@@C1yde902 Thanks. I've seen a few streams on Twitch, but don't have an account and never used the chat. YT I have done a fair amount of chat on a channels' streams and it seemed okay.
@@fatmac8612 but just like they added a section for dhorts only they can add that for streams. hinestly the thing that still keeps me on twitch id ths UI that works well where as youtube is a mess because stream are buried in the videos of your subscriptions. If they add its own section twitch is dead for good.
While it's totally possible that Twitch takes a huge dive because of this, and more streamers switching to TH-cam, it's still important to realize that TH-cam is not the savior here. TH-cam has been increasing adtime on their Videos since a long time, and them being the sole survivor in the streaming business if Twitch tanks would definetely result in the exact same outcome -> more ads. It's always this balance between these two large players fighting for the top spot and keeping each other in check what saves us viewers of being exploited to the fullest.
@@00higgo Totally I don't now how is it possible that people can't pay 10 dollars for youtube premium, its the best experience I've ever had. And not this is not sponsored xD
Can we acknowledge how good Charlie is at making analogies. "a man who came home early from work who found his wife cheating on him, i was devastated". How am I supposed to feel this pain tho.... forever lonely
The worst thing is that TH-cam is already “experimenting” with worse ad deals, and since Twitch is making these decisions. It only serves to make TH-cam’s policy and ad changes easier to digest. Which will help at some point kill streaming as a whole
I'm surprised to see streaming has been tolerated for so long, considering that at the beginning many game developers were hesitant to even allow their games to be streamed. It was only because of the sheer difficulty to identify interactive video with automated Content ID blocking that developers had to give up in that regard.
@@csolisr i can understand if developers didn't want incredibly linear games to be streamed like Life Is Strange or something where theres not many interactive choices to make in the game, but at the end of the day its "free exposure"
7:54 that's not true, exactly. Twitch lifted some of the restrictions on exclusivity and simulcasting, but you're only allowed to simulcast to short-form mobile-focused platforms such as instagram or tiktok. If you have a partner contract you cannot simulcast to both youtube and twitch at the same time.
Charlie should create a Twitch union in a concealed way. Amazon spends a huge amount of money and effort to destroy any chance of a union forming among their employees; this is the most obvious marker ever that they know how much persuasive power a unified group can have. Imagine if 20/30 of the top streamers were in the union. They could organise a campaign where they simultaneously streamed exclusively on non-Twitch platforms and caused Twitch to haemorrhage customers in a way that scares Twitch and Amazon enough to concede on the 70:30 split for instance. By coming together and acting in a mutual interest, you can affect a lot of good changes due to your maximized bargaining power. I have no ability to pass this on to Charlie, so if you believe what I've said could benefit him I'm asking for your help to get this to him. I've coordinated this sort of thing in real life and I know it works. tl:dr If Twitch streamers band together, they can probably negotiate what they deserve more easily.
That would be great. But Amazon owns Twitch, so they could just dissolve Twitch and create their own "new" streaming platform, with its own brand new tailor-made ToS, and the union will become useless because Amazon could simply blacklist whoever they want from it with zero legal repercussions. You can't be wrongfully terminated from a company you've never worked for, lol. That's what's wrong with megacorps and the endless money they can pour into little parts of the machine, completely obliterating competition in those parts' respective markets. It's neither a vertical nor a horizontal monopoly, but it's something that needs definition and regulation and prolly won't ever get it.
@@SomeTH-camTraveler @Daniel Morris @Daniel Morris common misconception but if they "dissolved twitch" they would lose a HUGE amount of money just by the process let alone from the lost revenue, and thats not even going to cover possible lawsuits by large name streamers, the legal matter of payout to streamers, tax documentation within the legal timeframe required, dissolving a company takes a LOT more than just pressing a button and washing your hands of it. As far as blacklisting streamers, that won't happen when you can just create another account, when megacorps get big enough they automate their processes which is easily duped or outright don't work. The legality of blacklisting someone from your business is a much greater matter because if you do it without a fair reasoning that would hold up in front of a court, then you are open to discriminatory lawsuits and civil action. This doesn't even touch on how much horrible PR this will cause, and believe me if they shutdown twitch there will be a lot of people with a lot of money who have a giant platform and massive following they can use to pressure a company. This is to not even touch on how Unionizing does work, Amazon isn't going to bother dumping millions to bust a union on one of the dozens of platforms they barely pay attention to. Amazon got big because of easy automation and cheap management to save costs, it is not this all powerful corporate overlord people think it is with Bezos personally making every decision like some Hollywood supervillan.
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“I mean with great power comes great pissing, but I’m not there yet” charlie has a talent of being serious and spitting facts while simultaneously remaining one of the funniest personalities on this entire platform
Another issue that Twitch has, particularly for smaller streamers, is their inability to fix the bots/hate raids etc, it's something smaller streamers have been asking for help with for over a year. There was even a blackout last year where a lot of smaller streamers refused to stream on one day to try and get Twitches attention with the issue, but they still wont do anything about it.
the bots are annoying, but that's why you just setup nightbot/moobot/whatever bot you want to use, they generally have an fairly good grasp on what is a bot and what isn't. haven't really seen hate raids on smaller streamers, even so, just set it to follower only 10 minutes and ban anyone who participated, not that difficult, also weeds out the idiots for the future.
@@DarkDyllon I remember getting botted it was so bad I stopped stream. I literally got 2k bots and then the next day some random user typed it chat "botted account?" And then 2 minutes later another 2k bots came. I was so heated
TH-cam's player is far far superior than twitch as well. You can instantly seek back forth in the middle of watching a stream, hit the 'live' button anytime to go back. This seems like a very basic feature and it's mind boggling that the #1 streaming platform doesn't have yet. So in case any content was missed due to ads, you can go back, play at 1.5x or so speed, and then you'll be in sync with live soon.
I've always really disliked the Twitch ban policies so I don't really ever watch the platform. Any bad move that Twitch makes puts a big smile on me face.
I hate twitch too but now we’re at risk of youtube becoming a monopoly. And we all know how goofy TH-cam is, imagine how much worse it can get if there’s no competition
Same i love to see them taking L after L, i mean it was pretty much a giant onlyfans ad with a couple of actual gamers in the topranks but now its all dissolving
I've used TH-cam my whole life I tried twitch for about 10 minutes and was shocked at how terrible the experience was. Not only the ads, but searching for people is difficult, I honestly hate the whole interface. And buying bits, instead of just donating, weird all around
The reason buying bits is good, is it protects the streamers from credit card chargebacks. PayPal donations can be taken back, then the streamer not only loses the donation (unless they win their case), but also gets charged a $20 chargeback fee whether they win or lose the case. Sometimes trolls will do 20-50 donations and then chargeback them all, costing the streamer massive amounts. So on that front, bits are way better than actual donations. Of course Twitch takes a huge chunk of the donation...
bits is way safer than donations for streamers. There's a lot of a holes out there "donating" then charging back to make streamers lose money from chargeback fees on purpose.
I don’t get on twitch that much, but seeing how many vids Charlie has done about Twitch in the last couple days makes me think that Twitch employees avoid hearing any criticism and concerns.
@@MrSeekerOfPeace I get what you mean-TH-cam just doesn’t care Twitch seems to actively despise their own users and go out of the way to show that contempt
Imagine if you're in the middle of listening to your friend talk about important topic they enjoy to being cut off and having to wait 3 minutes to listen to them again as they continue to talk while you're gone, missing out on everything that's happening.
@@freeph78 for me TH-cam just have better bitrates. I have to be on my PC to have good streaming service, but on my phone, it's buffering a lot. But when it's comes to TH-cam, it's okay for both on PC and mobile.
At the end of the day it’s just people. People who make decisions, whether the decisions are financial, or design oriented. People are flawed by nature and won’t always make the best decisions. I am not surprised by any of this stuff going on with twitch nor am I going to lose sleep over any of it.
Isn't it such insanity that such a big serious business can be so short sided that they choose quick big bucks that you get right now but also send the company into a nose dive with it. It's blows my mind every time
“You’d expect taking 20% of the revenue means they’d put it back into the service to make it better” beautiful quote from Charlie, just points out how Amazon is syphoning money to the top of the company instead of paying the workers. They’re just taking money from streamers and forcing adds which gives double the income. If it doesn’t go to creators or the platform, where is all that money going?
Press x to doubt. I don't think anyone at the top of Amazon gives a single fuck about Twitch. It makes up an extremely small part of their business' revenue - like about 0.5%. This has nothing to do with Amazon being greedy, it's just that the people who run Twitch are dumbfucks, which we can tell from every business-decision they make: Banning streamers for being edgy but letting borderline porn stay on their site, keeping employees who are known sexual harassers, letting some of the biggest streamers on their site leave because they don't understand how to plan for longevity, etc. It's just a poorly run company in general, and that's why it's gonna die.
My main issues with youtube are community and chat based. Like specifically, I wish youtube had a "live" tab or section that only pulls up currently streaming live channels so you can find active community spaces
I really hate ads on Twitch since half the time I have to watch one it breaks the player and I have to reload the stream. Which, in turn, forces me to watch another pre-roll ad again and risk the player breaking again.
This is wild. A 70/30 split is standard for content creators on most sites, not even just streaming. Also, this is a pretty sad announcement when Charlie already said that he was covering the 6 figures a month loss from Moist Esports with Twitch revenue.
I think the 70% up to first 100k is fair then down to 50%. It is very similar to to progressive system of taxes where the more money you make the larger percentage gets taken from you. If you don't agree with the change Twitch is making then maybe you shouldn't agree with the progressive tax scheme either. The only change I think is that everyone should be on 70/30 split at first then go to 60/40 after $50k then 50/50 on everything above $100k.
Wish it was easier to migrate streaming sites ie twitch to TH-cam but at the moment its not viable. Maybe in the near future tho. And twitch culture with emotes and all that isnt big on TH-cam either.
As a small streamer on Twitch, it's really disheartening to see Twitch making such selfish decisions. I am considering moving over to TH-cam, but I've been growing my community on Twitch and I worry I will have to start over again.. I really hope Twitch start to see the damage they are doing to their reputation before it's too late. Edit: I really wasn't expecting this comment to get any attention, let alone people going to my TH-cam channel to sub and watch my vods! Some of you guys even came to my stream on Twitch last night too!! Thank you so much for all the support and advice, it's a bit overwhelming, but still very much appreciated! As many people have suggested, I will start slowly transitioning to TH-cam. I'm going to start streaming once a week on TH-cam and twice a week on Twitch still. I think it's best to keep my options open for now as Twitch may realise that they're fucking themselves over. Once again, I really appreciate people giving me even a second of their time, I am truly thankful for the support. Charlie really has such a lovely community! :)
From what I understand, assuming that you don't have a contract, stream on both, slowly move your viewers to youtube, you won't lose meny, if any viewers, and you stream on both, so if twitch fixes there shit, you can move back.
also something i've noticed and liked about youtube is that with the algorithm that youtube already has i've literally gotten some amazing channels that are live recommended, while in twitch the way you grow in the platform is basically entirely dependant on already having a platform somewhere else (like youtube) that actually lets you have more chances of getting those random viewers coming in
It gets even worse when I think about the few streamers who said that ads run on their streams and they don't see a penny of that money. Twitch just shows ads and sometimes doesn't even pay for the air time taken from the streamers. This is just strong arming people and I bet this in some part Amazon's fault.
TH-cam does this as well. They run ads on non partners videos all the time without consent. Like mine for instance. I don't have enough watch time or subs to become a partner and monetize my videos but TH-cam still puts ads on them anyway.
When you own a streaming or video service, you don’t need to pay anyone to air anything on a site you own. It’s not the streamers’ air time, it’s Twitch’s air time.
Yep. If you're not an affiliate you make $0 from ads. Though, tbh, even as an affiliate,after about a year of streaming, I've made MAYBE a total of $5-10 off ads. It is completely negligible. So Twitch is ruining my chances with who knows how many potential viewers, just to make pennies off me. It's honestly frustrating, they really need to fix the ads on that platform.
If TH-cam fix their chatting experience, I think many would switch. Twitch is swimming in a septic tank at this point. Personally don't want anything to do with them. Twitch thinks they can do it without issues because they don't see any other streaming platform as a problem, as in no matter what they do, people will not change to their competition. Think that is true to an extent, but with the amount of things happening with Twitch lately, I wonder wether this is the breaking point for some streamers and viewers.
I feel like TH-cam might actually do something about their chat experience soon. I’d like to think they’re very aware about users being unsatisfied with their current chat. Who knows
It honestly feels like Twitch is trying to punish their streamer base for progressively moving onto YT Live. Like they're taking it personally and letting it ruin their business.
@@alexchavez3244 Agreed, though this shit has basically been around since centralized authoraty came about. It's an inevitable snowball the minute someone corrupt comes into power.
Ads should just go back to banners. Intrusive ads on youtube/twitch/etc just make me remember to never spend money on those companies for interrupting and adding extra time to a video. It’s not useful anymore, newer generations literally don’t pay any attention to ads. Like Charlie said, when i see an ad, i leave.
@@KrangAnimations yt is owned by google, and google happens to own chrome, google docs, google maps, google classroom, have their own phone brand (pixel) not to mention likely many other stuff. Although outlandish, it isn't that far off... especially since it leads to a monopoly they have full control over.
Even if YT live chat doesn't get better, in my eyes it already is the far superior livestreaming platform because it is also a VIDEO platform. VODs get saved automatically, and are treated just like any other video on the platform, people can make timestamps, subtitles, and most importantly comments. You don't have to deal with expiring VOD bullshit, it'll stay there forever as long as the channel exists. The VOD watching (and even rewatching) experience is just way better for those who cannot watch live, because you can still have discussions in the comments section. This is worth WAY more than livechat features imo
xP as the replies visibility kind of just implodes for some users last few days with recent updates , it'll probably be worked out or fixed at some point though
@@DRakeTRofKBam raiding is already here but scuffed version where you have to ask approval from both parties. TH-cam is almost there and twitch dying will accelerate the process
@@Alexander-ev4kv Twitch chat is garbage in my opinion, especially on the more popular channels. It’s all hiveminded bullshit and emoji spam with no insightful comments whatsoever. Raiding is the only positive thing (streamers helping other streamers getting recognition), but the chats are too self absorbed and rely on closed off humor/memes.
TH-cam needs to do 2 things to be better than both twitch and tiktok. 1. Make 2 more sections on someone's TH-cam channel. One for Shorts and one for Streams so there's no intrusion for normal videos (Other than sub feeds) and 2. Make there live chat better. If they do those two things, everyone's moving to TH-cam once their contracts are over.
I mean this would only really benefit streamers but you have to realize youtube’s primary source of income and just primary content in general IS the normal videos. They would never gut videos and move them out of the limelight because they never originally were trying to be the better tiktok or twitch, it’s just pretty much little side projects they do because it can make more money on top of what they already make from videos. also they could never beat tiktok youtube shorts suck compared to it.
@@owentertainment2714 I didn't mean for them to take normal videos out of the lime light. But that being said, it never hurts to put more time into your side projects. Ludwig literally said the exact thing I said in one of his videos. There's always room to improve
They cant even get the regular comment section right(as evidence: all the spam bots posting some nasty sh**), and thats quite static compared to a chat...
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Its all because you napped. Its all your fault dude. You made that Slick guy scam people, you made Twitch ban Erobb, you made Magnus Carlsen forfeit. All because you wanted to take a nap
I always feel better about myself after seeing multi-billion dollar companies being absolutely incompetent. Just always seems like one could do a better job. I really hope there will be a big competitor to youtube and twitch, that is competent and is a lot more consumer friendly.
An important difference is that Twitch makes it more difficult to block ads by embedding them right into streams. So Twitch should be making more ad revenue per viewer. That makes it even more baffling that they want to take 50% of every sub.
There’s only one type of people I have in mind That would run a business like this and the type of people would be the same type of folks to be anti-capitalist
ive been getting up to 8 ads on youtube lately, espically when i link my phone to my xbox, and every ad will be unskippable except for the last one. all these streaming services are getting out of hand with the ads
I’ve said this so many times. TH-cam needs a ”TH-cam Live” sidepage with the Twitch-like interface and chat experience. I wouldn’t even hesitate to make the switch, as well as thousands of streamers.
TH-cam is killing Twitch by doing nothing. Every platform relies on creators to provide value for customers. Disregard the creators, disregard the customers
11:52 Amazon owns Twitch but they are technically not the same. These are different companies in itself which even send bills to each other. They don't have the same amount of cash available.
I really hope we’ll get to see a new, genuinely user friendly competitor appear. I would absolutely love to be apart of it because at this point it seems like any shmuck off the street could do a better job than entire teams at multi billion dollar corps
We really just need to cycle out existing platforms every few years. Every social media platform is good when it starts before suits smell money and take over. The business "need" to expand and become more profitable at all costs slowly eats at any functionality and QoL til it's unrecognizable It's just been too long since we had a new video platform that people actually liked and used. Maybe one day something will stick.
I just wish a streaming platform could exist that is ultimately perfect and that works with its streamers…although corruption is never left out of the formula for a creation…
I went to Twitch for the first time a few months ago, and when I clicked on a stream, I got greeted by a few unskippable ads. I watched them all, and after a few minutes, they started again. After that, I never went to that hellhole ever again.
The fact that twitch has relatively popular alternatives is enough to tell me it’ll die one day. The 50/50 split thing is just going to ruin the idea of growing as a streamer on twitch. Twitch will just be the extra option on a simultaneous stream for extra revenue while their TH-cam stream is where they want everyone to subscribe and mainly donate there too.
I'm really glad you made a point about discoverability on Twitch. Why would I want to sit through 5 or 6 ads when I don't know if I'll even enjoy them or vibe with the streamer. It definitely hurts discoverability.
Absolutely. It is horrendous on Twitch. I hate to think about how many potential viewers my channel has lost because the first thing they're hit with is 60 seconds of unskippable ads. That being said, TH-cam discoverablity isn't great either. This is a site geared towards edited videos, not streaming. Sure, big streamers do fine, but, if you're a nothing nobody like me, trying to find an audience? You have no chance. Yeah the chance of being found on Twitch is extremely slim, but, at least the little guy there HAS a chance. I think the platform that really helps out all the little people trying to make it, rather than just the big boys who have, is the one that'll really succeed. Think of everyone who has the dream of "making it big as a streamer" they'd all flock to the service that'd actually help them do it.
I think it was Charlie who brought it up before how stupid it is that there’s no cooldown either. If you do happen to sit through ads and then decide to watch someone else, you STILL get immediately hit with more ads.
I tried Twitch streaming for a few months early this year. Streamed twice a day on a daily basis. Games from series such as Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Rune Factory, Tales of series, Mana series, etc. In hundreds of hours streaming, I never had more than 3 or 4 viewers. Maybe got 7 followers in 4 months. I used a high quality mic, camera, stream quality and never had any buffering issues. I used custom made backgrounds for each game. Had a schedule for each stream. Didn't matter. The truth is, there are WAY too many people streaming on Twitch. They're all streaming the same game you are. There's just too much oversaturation. Every single person with a cheap mic and an internet connection is streaming something. Discoverability is terrible also. Streaming on Twitch as a newcomer is like throwing another plastic ball into a ball pit. You're swimming in the streams. Punny but true. TH-cam is even worse but in a different way. My YT channel actually started gaining traction a few months ago. I had like 10 subs in one day. Suddenly, they were gone. TH-cam sent me an email saying they believed the subs "could" be fake, so they removed them all. They even removed some that I had before that even happened. Four of my friends IRL all had their subs removed. Lol. That's how ridiculous it is. Which leads me to believe that YT has their own people on the platform that they want getting all the subs and views. Anyone who might pose even the smallest threat to the big channels gets shit on by the people in charge of the platform. They'll simply remove your subs and even your videos if necessary, so what's the point? I just said screw it and quit uploading. There's no point. They'll just destroy my channel as soon as I start growing. If you're not one of their guys, you're kinda fucked. Some might read this and get pissed or even laugh but it doesn't change the facts.
"We're in this together" from a company means "you take the hit from our screwups and you're a horrible person for jumping ship when we make a massive mistake, we fire you the moment it's the profitable option". Every company that says "we're in this together" when they pull stunts like this is run by parasites that would love for their employees to lack human rights.
I feel like twitch is gonna do the corporate thing and ignore the community, release this change, leave it up for 2-4 weeks to temporarily increase profits, then back petal release some half assed public apology and say “we hear you” then we will be back at step one
At that point they’ve probably already fucked up because lots of people would’ve left by then. I don’t see why anyone would go back to them even if they backtracked. They’ve been so awful to their creators and so biased in their rules that going back just wouldn’t be worth it.
They don't care about the extra 20% they're getting from the affected creators, their goal is clearly to increase the amount of ads being run. It's not news that they have more stock than they can run.
It's crazy how one of the biggest positives of online content compared to TV and radio was the ability to avoid ads and just about every online service is trying to shove them down our throats 24/7 now.
My biggest problem with twitch ads is the lack of audio balance. If I watch a VOD or stream, out of nowhere an ad block comes up that blows out my eardrums.
One thing that makes me worried is that a lot of times there are big moves like this, it's because they have some insider knowledge on the business side of the scene that isn't known to the general audience. So what I'm worried about is that Twitch knows something that we don't about TH-cam and their future plans. If Twitch sees this as a smart move, then perhaps they know that TH-cam is gonna be doing something similar soon.
On the flip side of that though they made themselves the guinea pig for this strategy. So maybe if this decision demolishes the twitch platform TH-cam will see that it doesn't sit well with fans or streamers and steer clear of it, atleast for awhile.
so they would expect youtube to do something worse now to kind of compensate for that? i cant imagine it being a good idea to go first then, like, youtube would surely see this and whatever they were planning, they might put on hold and instead kill twitch as a platform, then they are free to do whatever they wish with no competitors
All You can hear about this Internet is that Twitch has finally stopped to compete duel with TH-cam. Another opinion [only uncommentary person], since the Twitch makes a frackling rogue for commenters doesn't mean it you have to bid all bad comments, because Twitch seemingly needs Critics. And now, the Internet has never been good when you guys were competing duel Twitch vs. TH-cam by right now.
Twitch banned gambling -> realised that it actually was a huge chunk of their income -> investors pissed-> panic -> rush out another change to make up for it -> maybe ads encouragement will solve it too-> damn im proud of what i could make up in this little time -> publishes announcements
@@candyman9635 because nearly every big streamer has done some sort of gambling on stream not to mention it would bring in celebrities that never stream or barely stream & would just live stream themselves playing blackjack like drake.
Twitch was the closest thing TH-cam had to a competitor, and they’re busy seeing how many shots they can take before dying. It sucks how any time something can rival TH-cam it either isn’t big enough, it’s paid-access, or it’s so poorly managed it fails. Looks like we’ll be stuck with TH-cam for another few years
when my prof last semester manually dropped an entire section's grades from 60% to 40% to match the other sections I didn't realize that was something I would watch happen twice in a year but here we are
The worst part about twitch ads is that, unlike tv, or TH-cam, you MISS CONTENT. You're not just getting interrupted, you miss up to 3-4 minutes of context. Imagine watching TV then missing parts of the show, so yu get back from the ad break and dont know wtf is going on.
Yep, this is by far the worst
sub poor kid
So the streamer doesn't decide when they happen?
Yes! It's makes a stream unwatchable
YES, idk why this is something people dont talk about more, its such a bad system how do they get away with it?
You know you've royally fucked up when TH-cam suddenly has more consumer-friendly practices than your platform
How, youtube is free, very consumer friendly. In 2015 they said youtube doesn't even make profit, It's break-even. They may be profitable today, but they haven't released that information.
Only thing left is to fix youtube chat and to readd the dislike counter
@@amazinglats6020 you missed the point completely like you ran backwards from the starting line.
@@amazinglats6020 yeah, I would think youtube is pretty consumer-friendly. It’s just not very creator-friendly tbh.
@@amazinglats6020 you are delusional if you think youtube is consumer friendly. have you heard about copyright striking? demonetisation?
It's interesting to see how hard Twitch is trying to kill all of their business. It's actually insane. Senseless bans, cutting revenue, blatant double standards, it's nuts.
IM BETTTER THAN PENGUINZ0 AND HIS INC3L FANBASE 😂😂
Twitch is killing TH-cam’s biggest competition, itself
Let them rot, may another rise to take their place.
Gotta make up for the lost revenue from banning slots I guess🤦♀️
It may well be that people are deliberately doing a poor job to lose the business over poor management rather than taking responsibility for other decisions like if they were to just close the website formally. A gradual decline in quality may be a better option to transition their business partners (e.g. the people they run ads for) to their new or alternate service, rather than saying "we don't want to do this and we fucked up will you still do business with us?". That, and also the obvious money grubbing from the ad and sub revenue splits. It looks a lot like a "take the money and run, just let it fall apart and cut those loses" situation.
Considering how Amazon treats their employees, it's no wonder this is how they treat their streamers.
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Twitch actually makes TH-cam look like a sensible site, that is an impressive feat.
I know right? Like, how do you make TH-cam ads seem generous?
Ikr. I guess you have the choice to pick between the massive Twitch ad problem and the massive TH-cam support team problem
its picking between the lesser evils that'll make people come to yt. hopefully this will give some sort of incentive for yt to improve their platform, not just for streaming
pretty scary tbh. YT is just waiting for the exodus to resolve so they can concoct their own fuckery in secret a year down the road once all the accounts have been moved over and monetized.
It always has… shirtless? Banned. anything that could be interpreted as offensive? Banned. The only thing it has over TH-cam is more relaxed copyright enforcement. Not enough to make it worthwhile imo
We went from "Is TH-cam Killing Twitch" to "Twitch is Dying" in a week. Really shows how life hits you fast huh...
Next week: Google is dying and is being bought up by Bing.
Yea
guess banning Gambling was really a bad idea all though i doubt not banning it would have saved them plus all of the other problems it had
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I'm actually impressed by Twitch because i had never seen this amount of controversy in one site, all at the same time, is like they actually found the perfect formula for their demise in a week or two.
Nope. That formula belongs to Artisian Builds. Full company demise in less than a week.
Not even on Twitter/Reddit
Twitch is actually giving Twitter a run for its money, drama-wise.
Blizzard?
?? happens all the time especially with internet content companies
We needed this video. I'm a Twitch partner and was only staying for a potential 70/30 split. This announcement was the opposite of what I wanted to hear so I think it's TH-cam time :)
I think the 70% up to first 100k is fair then down to 50%. It is very similar to to progressive system of taxes where the more money you make the larger percentage gets taken from you. If you don't agree with the change Twitch is making then maybe you shouldn't agree with the progressive tax scheme either. The only change I think is that everyone should be on 70/30 split at first then go to 60/40 after $50k then 50/50 on everything above $100k.
@@josuebalderas2075 K but how does your employer which benefits the employer solely taking 50% relate to taxes which in theory benefits society as a whole?
@@amazingsil Facts. Idk how Twitch taking a 50% split AND pushing more ads to further fill the corporation's pockets with more money is in anyway related to our tax systems. Taxes are taken and put into different things to benefit and help society.
I agree w/ you 100% @sss, and I definitely disagree w/ you @Josue. The analogy between twitch revenue, and tax in our modern day society doesn't make sense in this situation whatsoever. Twitch is not helping viewer experience in anyway, especially with this ad agenda. Twitch is just being greedy, and it's gonna backfire due to top streamers leaving.
Good luck to you soldier
@@D.Ghostt exactly, they have done nothing to improve the service and in fact are making it worse
TH-cam vs. Twitch is the dumbest competition between rivals ever. It's like watching two ship captains taking turns to poke holes in their own ships, while the rats scurry back and forth based on which one is the least waterlogged.
I love the analogy 😄
This analogy is so truthful that it hurts
I'll be real, after watching this video, the part of TH-cam's ship containing streams seems dry as a bone compared to Twitch. And considering that almost Twitch's entire ship is about streams, they're definitely the losers on this one
Thats a very clear understandable analogy, great job!
Nah TH-cam sucks but twitch is by far the one of the biggest shit sucking websites only second to reddit and Twitter
Wow there are so many plot twists in this Twitch saga... Can't wait to see how the writers tie this back to the anal beads subplot
The *what?*
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The only thing that scare me about twitch death is that it will give more market share to youtube, and god knows youtube doesnt need more power because they are right behind twitch itself when it comes to bad decision.
Also puts a bigger target on youtubes back. The river flows to the sea.
It’s a race to the bottom now.
being a bottom isn't that bad.
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What YT needs to do in my opinion is:
- add a "live now" section on the main page (talking browser currently) where you're shown people who are live and are either people you've subscribed to, or are people streaming similar content to what you watch (YT already has a decent enough algorithm for that)
- also they can modify their algorithm to increase discoverability a bit by favoring smaller streamers who are streaming the content the user is interested in (let's say 50% of the recommendations are mid-to-large size streamers and the other 50% are smaller streamers). It would increase discoverability for new people, but also not neglect the larger people
- add some kind of indicator when watching someone's videos if that person is live (small banner above the video saying "{user} is currently live! Click here to go to their stream", or an animated button in the video overlay)
- improve the overall UI of the streams (could just base it off of Twitch's UI, they can't sue them for having a similar-looking UI as long as it's different enough)
Then they can just sit back and watch Twitch die out while their pockets are being filled with all the old revenue Twitch was making + the revenue from new people making it on the platform + the ad revenue from more content being created on the platform. And while YT is far from being perfect in terms of moderating the community, it sure as hell is a lot better than Twitch which is straight-up biased and gives different punishments for the exact same offense to different people, which would just bring them even more interest.
@Rockerguy96 : at least if you look at your "subscriptions" list, any of your subs who are currently streaming are at the top, with a red wavey symbol (I don't know if you use phone, but on PC this is done with just one click of the three lines in the top left).
There is a Live Now under your subscription tab but it's hard to get us little guys out unless we hit the algorithm.
TH-cam use to be a lot more fair towards smaller streamers.
But dont yall see the big picture? If twitch died out and everyone would go to yt cuz of that yt will have more control over the market so they will do the same thing and people would go back to twitch and than 50/50 would be normal
That does seem to be a common trend for big companies when the don't have to worry about too much competition... YT is already making it harder for smaller creators with their ever increasing limitations, one of which being videos under 10min are less likely to be picked up...
I was watching a small streamer today, and I noticed the ads were hitting individual viewers at different times. The streamer wanted to wait for the ads to stop, because they had only a few viewers and they were chatting with them. But for like 20 minutes straight a random cluster of viewers would get half a dozen ads, and then when those viewers were back, another portion of the viewers were hit with six 30-second ads. And this kept going for so long. It made it impossible for the streamer to hold a dialogue with their viewers because there were constantly portions of people being pulled from the conversation.
I can’t imagine how frustrating it must have been for that streamer getting crippled like that.
I dont use Twitch on the regular but does it seriously have 20-30 minutes ads?
Holy crap, really? That's insane.
THIRTY MINUTE ADS
no way theres 30 minute ads
For the ppl here confuse, if you get say 6 ads all of them 2-5min long, how much time that is? A lot right? Yeah, sucks ass.
I agree with others who have said this: Amazon is so greedy they could make Walmart blush. It's not surprising that they're taking more money from creators without giving anything in return.
i don't know much about finance, I'm wondering if Amazon is trying to pull off something similar to a vulture fund but with Twitch instead of newspaper orgs
I'm willing to bet most of this is a decision from Twitch, don't misunderstand me, Amazon is Greedy AF and is up there with Disney when it comes to the lack of morals, but the fact that TH-cam isn't making these decisions but Twitch is shows that it's definitely something from Twitch itself.
Funny enough, a Walmart ad banner is appearing on-top of the video title for me. Your not kidding at all, they are actually blushing at twitch rn.
@@Palexite Walmart's like "Damn, we're losing our touch, JERRY! Get the choppers ready we're invading a small African village!"
Well both are owned by the same man
as a viewer, i prefer the TH-cam streams since you can pause them, do other stuff, then come back to play it without missing anything! love it
but then you arent live anymore
@@MikoRalphino I think you can click the red live button to catch up to livestream
@@MikoRalphino catchup by watching 2 x speed. Till you catchup to missed content 🗿
@@ceriuslawliet8766 I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO DID THIS LMAO
yupp. such a simple thing makes such a huge difference.
10:30 you point out a great thing here - when ads are organically placed they are an absolute win win in terms of the streamer getting paid but viewers trusting and understanding that they aren't missing anything. And for those who are still annoyed by the ad content itself, they can sub. As it is today though you see ads in most twitch contexts and you feel you are completely missing content which is massively disruptive, degrades the quality of a stream and ultimately increases the bounce rate which probably ultimately does more harm than good in terms of the bottom line growth etc
Another plus about TH-cam streaming that I do not see people talk about nearly enough is the ability to rewind the ENTIRE stream. If you join late, you can start at the beginning without live chat like a VOD, but don't have to wait until the end of the stream. You can also rewatch parts without the need for clips, and if you tuned in to just see a certain part, not having to worry about missing it.
this is why i wait for vods or wait for streamer archive on twitch :/
This is the main reason I never bothered with Twitch.
I assume the reason for Twitch being the way it is is something along the lines of it being cheaper for them to not hold onto that data, but I literally cannot catch a live stream of the people I care to watch, let alone in full. My work schedule doesn't sync well to ANYTHING. XD
Also, last time I bothered with Twitch, the highlights were straight garbage. A literal clusterfuck that I don't know how anyone thought it was a good idea or bothered with it at all.
So trueeeeee
@@TaoScribble And when the stars align and you can watch a stream from the beginning, you get 4 unskipable 30 second ads in a row and u miss the whole context of the stream 💀
This alone makes TH-cam vastly superior to Twitch
This was a _wild_ pipeline from “possible chess cheater with anal beads” to “Twitch downfall”.
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@@joereginmyre Bruh, literally nobody asked.
I guess that's what happens when a time traveler moves a chair
Don’t forget the GTA 6 gets leaked by a 16 year old and is being chased by the FBI arc.
Is twitch dead??
The terrifying thing about all of that, is that as soon as Twitch have successfully killed themselves off the streaming space, the lack of competition will absolutely incentivize TH-cam to turn to greedier deals. I can guarantee that TH-cam will eventually align to Twitch's 50-50 deal, however time that takes.
That's how it always is. People acting like TH-cam won't eventually try to do that. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised to see after the whole 50/50 debacle calms down on Twitch that TH-cam will implement it knowing the backlash will eventually subside. It's like when Apple took away the charger for their phones then not too long after Samsung decided to do it too after shitting on Apple for doing that. Once a company sees something sticking without any problems they'll follow suit.
That's how a cabal works. It doesn't even need dark rooms and secret meetings. You simply have to _know_ that whatever your company does to make more money, every other company will do too. We're all so addicted to these online spaces that they know we won't go anywhere else... they have zero incentive to actually compete once they've carved out their chunk of market share.
The customer base for these companies cares less about good services than they do about bad press. Market share is won on Twitter. Why would companies need to waste money improving their platforms, when they can step over their competition by sitting back and watching them get cancelled? You're absolutely right... TH-cam's 50-50 deal will happen soon enough no matter what happens to Twitch.
Exactly, TH-cam has no more massive competitors. It’s like getting two giants to fight thinking they’ll just match each other’s strength and moves forever, but eventually one giant falls and the last one standing decides to go for the village next.
That's true. Without competition they can be greedy AF
If anything I’m expecting YT to end up much worse, remember who they’re owned by
This is why i’m a VOD watcher and always have been. Just feels like i’m watching a longer unedited youtube video and with funny chat messages to boot.
same
Except VODs are nearly unwatchable unless they're reuploaded on youtube. Enjoy gettting spammed with 3 ads in a row, each of them 20 to 30 seconds long, every ten minutes or so? That's Twitch's VODs in a nutshell.
@@ballad5708 at least on youtube, there would be a few skippable ad. The new twitch ad is going to be unskippable. Its going to hurt their content creator and their veiwers.
What's vod
@@emilyd8884 VOD is short for “Video On Demand” at least that’s what i think. Basically means i’m able to watch a stream that already happened on twitch
Twitch is just destroying itself at this point
i agree
Love to see it
Thats a good thing
It always have with all its corrupt mods and inconsistent rules.
Who needs monopoly busting when the monopoly busts itself down like Tatiana
i think the funniest thing about this entire situation is how youtube was going down a bad road with the favoritism and racism stuff, but then twitch decided to 1 up youtube by not only having their staff paid off, but taking money away from creators, allowing someone to get away with getting piped on stream, AND so many big creators being outed as weirdos
the same person who had sex on stream came back and did it again, twitch HQ must look like paradise pd
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@@m.inittttt wow such bs
@@m.inittttt funny thing is, she wasn't actually getting railed on stream the first time, just fingered/eaten out, but this time she is straight up bouncing on a D*** slightly off camera. she one upped herself lol
twitch has shown more obvious favoritism than youtube
If Charlie starts streaming on TH-cam I'll 100% watch it. I barely even touch Twitch nowadays just because of how inconvenient it is to use the platform
i've stopped watching twitch since 2013 bcos of how laggy their streams get for me on my end so seeing it fall is kinda insane. felt like my 2013 issues were an omen.
Thinking top twitch creator streaming on TH-cam won't change shit they all there own weird breed
its hard too, I stopped watched a year ago for mental health reasons and I do miss certain streamers but twitch is not worth my mental health 🤷♀️
Totally agree with you here, I can't stand the unskippable 2-3 minute ad before I even get to see the stream.
How is Twitch inconvenient? You can't even browse live channels on TH-cam and the chat is beyond awful without using Ludwigs addon.
One thing with youtube that I love is that streams are seamlessly integrated into their video "flow". Missed the beginning of the stream? watch 10 minutes behind if you don't care as much about being live, or, rewatch it as a video later, immediately after the stream is done, since it's just a video now
My friend once jokingly said Twitch accidentally hired TH-cam spy with the goal to destroy all TH-cam's competition, but at this point it might be the actual reality
nah.. there's no Accident; it's just someone on the high tower not understanding what games are about; and trying to figure just how to squeeze us dry. they lose more then they gain with twitch, but it's fucking amazon. they make so much, yet they clearly wanna save a penny then use a dime to save something.
@@CallofDutyBlackOps28 you should be oogway or something dude
@Kavetion no ur not
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They can't give everyone a 70/30 split, how will they pay their top-notch creator support team? I mean, these boys have to spend literally all day ignoring wrongful unban requests WHILE ALSO spinning a little wheel in the office that gives an completely arbitrary number of days for each ban. We're all in this together, Charlie.
Dont forget being weirdly active in bikini streamchats.
and they do it all with one hand, too! that kinda talent don't come cheap, y'know
Twitch loses money hosting the website anyway, it doesn't seem that greedy when you think of it that way. And everyone already knows about google loses millions on youtube.
@@twistedfox9445 yes, that’s… how companies work. Just because they lose money doesn’t mean they don’t make far more than that lol
@@twistedfox9445 source ?
Twitch has gotten too confident, and they think they can do whatever they want and not get any downsides to it. That's what's wrong with Twitch.
Twitch just needs an actual reality check at this point
Twitch was insulting youtube gaming announcement btw
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@@angelwitch666 💀...?
@@ryuepog7237 they want the attention, just report
One of the worst parts is that the ads are sooooo mich louder than the actual content. Which is afaik at least in Germany illegal but happens every single ad brake on twitch
I don't think anyone on the platform has managed to hit #1 in any category twice within a 24 hour cycle, Charlie is an absolute legend at this point
It benefits TH-cam for more people to see this lol
The interesting part is that rn its #1 on videogames
What was the other vid that got #1?
@@cavemanpretzel9520 his "huge twitch drama" one from yesterday
pewdiepie used to get #1 for weeks at a time when he was regularly uploading
This is why competition between companies needs to be relevant because if there is no good alternative… bad things happen…
The way capitalism works, eventually competition will disappear altogether.
@@brunomenezes9011 nah, the company if it goes too far will simply get boycotted or replaced. People seem to misunderstand something. You don’t have to provide a superior service in order to compete. You simply need to be a friendlier option.
@@demscrazy6574 Yeah just like how totally not evil Disney owns the entire movie and television industry. I'm sure the "friendly" alternative could beat them, right?
@@demscrazy6574 then why aren’t any of the massive, blatantly evil corporations like Nestle and Chevron being boycotted or out-competed? Both companies have committed massive human rights violations all over the world in the name of profit but they are still around and still getting away with it.
@@HisRoyalFreshness163 maybe if stupid consoomers didnt eat up literally everything they produce no matter how terrible it is they might see the problems and work to correct them, but they could literally take a pile of shit and slap a superhero outfit on it and call everyone racist and sexist for not liking it and still make billions.
I’ve never seen a company so dedicated to passive aggressively attacking their own customers, just show such open contempt for the people that make them their money.
what about nintendo
@@ondramrazek5547 Nintendo is closing down the E-Shop, and have no plans on saving their classic games. I don't even know if they want money anymore
@@genericname2747 they already know fans are going to buy new things like new releases-and I’m one of them I already signed my soul away to a nostalgic video game company
@@pokemon_trainer_isaiah 😔 we lost another one
ahem.. youtube
1:15 his hair on his left shoulder perfectly lines up with the crease in the chair
The fact that this is on number 1 trending shows just how much youtube loves this video
It's still number 8. Is it really surprising TH-cam is going to be fine with promoting criticism of one of the few places that is anything like a rival?
@@mathphysicsnerd I think trending pages are different per country
@@DanksterPaws Even accounting for that, the US is the overwhelmingly largest country for both streamers and users of Twitch. It just makes sense
@@mathphysicsnerd No like I mean, my trending pages right now are 80% my country, even if they dont have that many views. Thats why I never liked the page because it was always just reality shows from my country which I never watch.
@@DanksterPaws Oh of course, Trending was always dogshit, no one I know uses it. My point was just that I don't find it surprising in the slightest TH-cam is doing what (likely ineffectual) things it can to keep this video in the spotlight
I'll never understand why companies think we'll start to enjoy watching ads just because they want us to.
it will never happen. we hate ads :)
They don't care if we enjoy them or not, just as long as they can keep shoving ads right down our throats.
@@EsteemedReptile They won't because they can't. Only if you use ad-blocking software.
@@Enter8909 Ad blocking only gets you so far. Promos generated by your apps appear on your phone lock screen. Emails from your insurance companies and banks are often ads. TH-cam, twitch, and Facebook are swimming in unskippables, not to mention sponsors. Playstation now auto loads ads from the PSN into your media bar. Some games even act as vectors for advertising (look at Street fighter V). Even if you pay for premium services like Spotify, you still have to sidestep suggestions that railroad you into what they want.
@@EsteemedReptile oh, i get it now
All the goodwill they got from banning gambling has gone out the window immediately, what a fumble
Is it true that Joe Merrick accused u of being a liar?
This was announced way before the gambling fiasco.
@@TheElectricRaichu there was a leak a few months ago but no official announcement
"Twitch chat is better than TH-cam chat"
Twitch chat is literally just people spamming the exact same things on cooldown across all Twitch channels and flooding the chat with emotes for 5 minutes every time absolutely anything happens. It's a horrible, miserable experience of hundreds of people trying to get noticed by the streamer while simultaneously being part of some hivemind.
THANK YOU.
that depends more on the channel, not all are like that but yeah most are pretty awful. at least the really big ones. twitch chat is better technically and has more features
i agree! i never watvh streams tbh, but every time i asked a question it was burried under emotes; there should be a cooldown sort of
@@theodordalene438 TH-cam has a slow mode where you can only comment once per minute. If they could actually display a timer that shows how much time you have left instead of saying "you have to wait X more seconds to comment" and it would post them after a minute passes that would be great.
They also have bots. Even on small channels.
Etika (rest in peace) was way ahead of his time in his hatred for Twitch
Fax Etika (rest in peace) knew all along
Indeed, Etika (rest in peace) was right and we should’ve seen it coming too
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I miss Etika (rest in peace)
@@ABucketOfFish who etika
That's because there's two types of people who use twitch, the uninstaller and the parasocial relationship.
I’m better than WhiteBoy penguinz LMAO
niɡɡer
@@Diedqra shut up please
Dude wtf are these bots
Rip replies lol
If Twitch kills itself, there will be nothing left to compete against TH-cam, I seriously hope that Twitch can get back on track because I don't want TH-cam to have a monopoly over video sharing AND streaming...
Don’t forget the Vimeo
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@UCyBqorOBixYdaKL-AFUlh2g shut up.
Its not about whos the king of streaming and such, it's more for competition so companies actually add things that the people appreciate
Why do you hate youtube lol
"With great power comes great pissing, but I'm just not there yet."
My favourite quote as of now
A year later and it still is
All TH-cam needs to do is make it better to chat and easier to find streamers. That’s literally it!
If only they made a separate “livestream” tab
@@C1yde902 They have a TH-cam Kids website/app. They should have the same for streaming
I'm not super familiar with Twitch. What are the advantages of their chat versus YT"?
@@defaultuser1447 emotes and a more consistent chat (Sometimes YT doesn’t show a streamer/other viewers certain messages and has much worse ping issues). But those aren’t dealbreakers for me- I just wish it was easier to search by livestream category on YT
@@C1yde902 Thanks. I've seen a few streams on Twitch, but don't have an account and never used the chat. YT I have done a fair amount of chat on a channels' streams and it seemed okay.
If youtube could redo their UI to make it easier to browse and find streams, they'd slay Twitch.
youtube as a whole is seriously corrupt just like twitch though. there is no winning here.
It would be pretty hard because there is videos as well as TH-cam shorts
@@fatmac8612 but just like they added a section for dhorts only they can add that for streams. hinestly the thing that still keeps me on twitch id ths UI that works well where as youtube is a mess because stream are buried in the videos of your subscriptions.
If they add its own section twitch is dead for good.
@@cloudy978 yeah it makes sense but I just feel like it would get to crowded and to hard to navigate the site
@@fatmac8612 We'll see what they'll do :/
While it's totally possible that Twitch takes a huge dive because of this, and more streamers switching to TH-cam, it's still important to realize that TH-cam is not the savior here. TH-cam has been increasing adtime on their Videos since a long time, and them being the sole survivor in the streaming business if Twitch tanks would definetely result in the exact same outcome -> more ads. It's always this balance between these two large players fighting for the top spot and keeping each other in check what saves us viewers of being exploited to the fullest.
TH-cam premium is far superior for the viewer. Twitch subs and prime just suck.
The viewer decides, not the streamers
Yeah i literally sometimes get 3 unskippable ads in a row without stopping
But Adblock works on TH-cam
@@shyshy1894 Twitch Adblock extension works (for now)
@@00higgo Totally I don't now how is it possible that people can't pay 10 dollars for youtube premium, its the best experience I've ever had. And not this is not sponsored xD
Can we acknowledge how good Charlie is at making analogies. "a man who came home early from work who found his wife cheating on him, i was devastated". How am I supposed to feel this pain tho.... forever lonely
You'll find it one day.
And you're gonna hate it.
Or like it. Depends if its your fetish.
The worst thing is that TH-cam is already “experimenting” with worse ad deals, and since Twitch is making these decisions. It only serves to make TH-cam’s policy and ad changes easier to digest. Which will help at some point kill streaming as a whole
IM BETTTER THAN PENGUINZ0 AND HIS INC3L FANBASE 😂😂😂
I'm surprised to see streaming has been tolerated for so long, considering that at the beginning many game developers were hesitant to even allow their games to be streamed. It was only because of the sheer difficulty to identify interactive video with automated Content ID blocking that developers had to give up in that regard.
Yup I less you buy premium which is another flat 15 every month on top of whatever channels you’re a member of
@@csolisr i can understand if developers didn't want incredibly linear games to be streamed like Life Is Strange or something where theres not many interactive choices to make in the game, but at the end of the day its "free exposure"
Install an adlbocker, fam.
"With great power, comes great pissing."
- moistcr1tikal, 2022
This is the quote of all time
I like how just when I scrolled and read your comment he said that line while I'm reading.
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They did it to themselves
Don’t translate😡
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@@Diedqra Y'all really pulling the old 2000s email scam now.
@@Diedqra sure
Mogul mail is better than charles
@@Diedqra Guess I’m dying
7:54 that's not true, exactly. Twitch lifted some of the restrictions on exclusivity and simulcasting, but you're only allowed to simulcast to short-form mobile-focused platforms such as instagram or tiktok. If you have a partner contract you cannot simulcast to both youtube and twitch at the same time.
Charlie should create a Twitch union in a concealed way. Amazon spends a huge amount of money and effort to destroy any chance of a union forming among their employees; this is the most obvious marker ever that they know how much persuasive power a unified group can have. Imagine if 20/30 of the top streamers were in the union. They could organise a campaign where they simultaneously streamed exclusively on non-Twitch platforms and caused Twitch to haemorrhage customers in a way that scares Twitch and Amazon enough to concede on the 70:30 split for instance. By coming together and acting in a mutual interest, you can affect a lot of good changes due to your maximized bargaining power.
I have no ability to pass this on to Charlie, so if you believe what I've said could benefit him I'm asking for your help to get this to him. I've coordinated this sort of thing in real life and I know it works.
tl:dr If Twitch streamers band together, they can probably negotiate what they deserve more easily.
That would be great. But Amazon owns Twitch, so they could just dissolve Twitch and create their own "new" streaming platform, with its own brand new tailor-made ToS, and the union will become useless because Amazon could simply blacklist whoever they want from it with zero legal repercussions. You can't be wrongfully terminated from a company you've never worked for, lol.
That's what's wrong with megacorps and the endless money they can pour into little parts of the machine, completely obliterating competition in those parts' respective markets. It's neither a vertical nor a horizontal monopoly, but it's something that needs definition and regulation and prolly won't ever get it.
Or permanently get rid of Jeff Bozos
@@SomeTH-camTraveler @Daniel Morris @Daniel Morris common misconception but if they "dissolved twitch" they would lose a HUGE amount of money just by the process let alone from the lost revenue, and thats not even going to cover possible lawsuits by large name streamers, the legal matter of payout to streamers, tax documentation within the legal timeframe required, dissolving a company takes a LOT more than just pressing a button and washing your hands of it.
As far as blacklisting streamers, that won't happen when you can just create another account, when megacorps get big enough they automate their processes which is easily duped or outright don't work.
The legality of blacklisting someone from your business is a much greater matter because if you do it without a fair reasoning that would hold up in front of a court, then you are open to discriminatory lawsuits and civil action.
This doesn't even touch on how much horrible PR this will cause, and believe me if they shutdown twitch there will be a lot of people with a lot of money who have a giant platform and massive following they can use to pressure a company.
This is to not even touch on how Unionizing does work, Amazon isn't going to bother dumping millions to bust a union on one of the dozens of platforms they barely pay attention to. Amazon got big because of easy automation and cheap management to save costs, it is not this all powerful corporate overlord people think it is with Bezos personally making every decision like some Hollywood supervillan.
My dawg, I’m 20 years old & mexican , grinding hard to get out the hood, I can’t be 30 with nothing to show for so i smoke weed on my youtube channel 😭
Please updooot this
“I mean with great power comes great pissing, but I’m not there yet”
charlie has a talent of being serious and spitting facts while simultaneously remaining one of the funniest personalities on this entire platform
And that's what I like about him.
Real
"haha piss funny" dear god, grow up
@@tnorki dear god, grow up
@@tnorki dear god, grow up
Another issue that Twitch has, particularly for smaller streamers, is their inability to fix the bots/hate raids etc, it's something smaller streamers have been asking for help with for over a year. There was even a blackout last year where a lot of smaller streamers refused to stream on one day to try and get Twitches attention with the issue, but they still wont do anything about it.
the bots are annoying, but that's why you just setup nightbot/moobot/whatever bot you want to use, they generally have an fairly good grasp on what is a bot and what isn't.
haven't really seen hate raids on smaller streamers, even so, just set it to follower only 10 minutes and ban anyone who participated, not that difficult, also weeds out the idiots for the future.
They banned the word simp that's enough in their eyes
@@DarkDyllon, thank you for solid advices, mate
@@DarkDyllon I remember getting botted it was so bad I stopped stream. I literally got 2k bots and then the next day some random user typed it chat "botted account?" And then 2 minutes later another 2k bots came. I was so heated
You first mistake is thinking Twitch cares about any streamer below the top 0.5%
TH-cam's player is far far superior than twitch as well. You can instantly seek back forth in the middle of watching a stream, hit the 'live' button anytime to go back. This seems like a very basic feature and it's mind boggling that the #1 streaming platform doesn't have yet. So in case any content was missed due to ads, you can go back, play at 1.5x or so speed, and then you'll be in sync with live soon.
@uNnHkP8mza Literally lol. They made a service and just stopped improving it. Only focusing on more way to monetise.
I've always really disliked the Twitch ban policies so I don't really ever watch the platform. Any bad move that Twitch makes puts a big smile on me face.
I hate twitch too but now we’re at risk of youtube becoming a monopoly. And we all know how goofy TH-cam is, imagine how much worse it can get if there’s no competition
Same i love to see them taking L after L, i mean it was pretty much a giant onlyfans ad with a couple of actual gamers in the topranks but now its all dissolving
Yeah Twitch was really scummy when it came to booby streamers. Never have I seen such a large company be run by incels.
@fours04 🇬🇧 bri'ish "pe🤮ple"
I dislike banning in general unless for illegal activities.
I've used TH-cam my whole life
I tried twitch for about 10 minutes and was shocked at how terrible the experience was. Not only the ads, but searching for people is difficult, I honestly hate the whole interface. And buying bits, instead of just donating, weird all around
The reason buying bits is good, is it protects the streamers from credit card chargebacks. PayPal donations can be taken back, then the streamer not only loses the donation (unless they win their case), but also gets charged a $20 chargeback fee whether they win or lose the case. Sometimes trolls will do 20-50 donations and then chargeback them all, costing the streamer massive amounts. So on that front, bits are way better than actual donations. Of course Twitch takes a huge chunk of the donation...
bits is way safer than donations for streamers. There's a lot of a holes out there "donating" then charging back to make streamers lose money from chargeback fees on purpose.
@@RavenMobile I could be wrong, but pretty sure TH-cam has solved that issue 🤷♂️
@@RavenMobile Very useful information! That does make sense. Thanks.
I just wish it wasn't so jumpy on mobile
I don’t get on twitch that much, but seeing how many vids Charlie has done about Twitch in the last couple days makes me think that Twitch employees avoid hearing any criticism and concerns.
They genuinely hate their consumer base yep.
Twitch employees are basically discord mods at this point
@Christopher Pezet (I hate niɡɡers) Get some help and talk to someone. Bro delete your channel
@@MrSeekerOfPeace
I get what you mean-TH-cam just doesn’t care
Twitch seems to actively despise their own users and go out of the way to show that contempt
@@warlordofbritannia brain blast
Imagine if you're in the middle of listening to your friend talk about important topic they enjoy to being cut off and having to wait 3 minutes to listen to them again as they continue to talk while you're gone, missing out on everything that's happening.
Just Imagine if youtube drop a policy right now and change from a 70/30 split to a 80/20 split, Twitch wont exist anymore in 2 weeks
Google could literally do this overnight and not even notice that extra cash was missing
@@freeph78 that’s why i could never get into twitch, the platform is confusing
I'm not sure about the split on youtube. Ludwig said creators get 55% so maybe some people have different deals.
@@freeph78 for me TH-cam just have better bitrates. I have to be on my PC to have good streaming service, but on my phone, it's buffering a lot. But when it's comes to TH-cam, it's okay for both on PC and mobile.
Billionaire moves
It is astounding to me how a business with this many people, viewers and influences destroys themselves so easily.
It's all about the executives presenting those green numbers to the shareholders at twitch so they can get paid more
At the end of the day it’s just people. People who make decisions, whether the decisions are financial, or design oriented. People are flawed by nature and won’t always make the best decisions. I am not surprised by any of this stuff going on with twitch nor am I going to lose sleep over any of it.
I think that’s a consequence on a big platform in itself. Many businesses and civilizations become more susceptible to ruin when on their peak.
Oh trust me, it is not "easily". They've been trying to kill themselves for YEARS. It feels like they're on their 50th unsuccessful suicide attempt
Isn't it such insanity that such a big serious business can be so short sided that they choose quick big bucks that you get right now but also send the company into a nose dive with it. It's blows my mind every time
“You’d expect taking 20% of the revenue means they’d put it back into the service to make it better” beautiful quote from Charlie, just points out how Amazon is syphoning money to the top of the company instead of paying the workers.
They’re just taking money from streamers and forcing adds which gives double the income. If it doesn’t go to creators or the platform, where is all that money going?
To be fair, Amazon is not just Twitch.
Bezos needs more rockets.
Press x to doubt. I don't think anyone at the top of Amazon gives a single fuck about Twitch. It makes up an extremely small part of their business' revenue - like about 0.5%. This has nothing to do with Amazon being greedy, it's just that the people who run Twitch are dumbfucks, which we can tell from every business-decision they make: Banning streamers for being edgy but letting borderline porn stay on their site, keeping employees who are known sexual harassers, letting some of the biggest streamers on their site leave because they don't understand how to plan for longevity, etc.
It's just a poorly run company in general, and that's why it's gonna die.
The money is going to belle delphines only fans
Why did I read Amazon as Asmon at first 😂
My main issues with youtube are community and chat based.
Like specifically, I wish youtube had a "live" tab or section that only pulls up currently streaming live channels so you can find active community spaces
I really hate ads on Twitch since half the time I have to watch one it breaks the player and I have to reload the stream. Which, in turn, forces me to watch another pre-roll ad again and risk the player breaking again.
IM BETTTER THAN PENGUINZ0 AND HIS INC3L FANBASE 😂😂😂
Maybe don't watch on iOS 5
same!! its ridiculous, its why i stopped watching twitch a while ago. now i just watch vods on youtube if i need my streaming fix 🤷♀️
This is wild. A 70/30 split is standard for content creators on most sites, not even just streaming. Also, this is a pretty sad announcement when Charlie already said that he was covering the 6 figures a month loss from Moist Esports with Twitch revenue.
you realize Charlie probably makes 15m+ a year, right? He can afford it.
I think the 70% up to first 100k is fair then down to 50%. It is very similar to to progressive system of taxes where the more money you make the larger percentage gets taken from you. If you don't agree with the change Twitch is making then maybe you shouldn't agree with the progressive tax scheme either. The only change I think is that everyone should be on 70/30 split at first then go to 60/40 after $50k then 50/50 on everything above $100k.
Here before bot
Kinda sad to see twitch destroying themselves, like corporations in 2022
Wish it was easier to migrate streaming sites ie twitch to TH-cam but at the moment its not viable. Maybe in the near future tho. And twitch culture with emotes and all that isnt big on TH-cam either.
Sounds like he's f in the a. But he gets good yt money.
As a small streamer on Twitch, it's really disheartening to see Twitch making such selfish decisions. I am considering moving over to TH-cam, but I've been growing my community on Twitch and I worry I will have to start over again.. I really hope Twitch start to see the damage they are doing to their reputation before it's too late.
Edit: I really wasn't expecting this comment to get any attention, let alone people going to my TH-cam channel to sub and watch my vods! Some of you guys even came to my stream on Twitch last night too!! Thank you so much for all the support and advice, it's a bit overwhelming, but still very much appreciated! As many people have suggested, I will start slowly transitioning to TH-cam. I'm going to start streaming once a week on TH-cam and twice a week on Twitch still. I think it's best to keep my options open for now as Twitch may realise that they're fucking themselves over. Once again, I really appreciate people giving me even a second of their time, I am truly thankful for the support. Charlie really has such a lovely community! :)
Hope your channel pulls through, whatever platform it ends up on dude.
Yeah I think I may move aswell, no reason to try for a partner anymore
From what I understand, assuming that you don't have a contract, stream on both, slowly move your viewers to youtube, you won't lose meny, if any viewers, and you stream on both, so if twitch fixes there shit, you can move back.
Absolutely reach out to your community before this takes full effect. Everyone I watch on twitch I plan to follow off platform.
People who support you will move with you.
also something i've noticed and liked about youtube is that with the algorithm that youtube already has i've literally gotten some amazing channels that are live recommended, while in twitch the way you grow in the platform is basically entirely dependant on already having a platform somewhere else (like youtube) that actually lets you have more chances of getting those random viewers coming in
It gets even worse when I think about the few streamers who said that ads run on their streams and they don't see a penny of that money. Twitch just shows ads and sometimes doesn't even pay for the air time taken from the streamers. This is just strong arming people and I bet this in some part Amazon's fault.
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TH-cam does this as well. They run ads on non partners videos all the time without consent. Like mine for instance. I don't have enough watch time or subs to become a partner and monetize my videos but TH-cam still puts ads on them anyway.
IM BETTTER THAN PENGUINZ0 AND HIS INC3L FANBASE 😂😂
When you own a streaming or video service, you don’t need to pay anyone to air anything on a site you own. It’s not the streamers’ air time, it’s Twitch’s air time.
Yep. If you're not an affiliate you make $0 from ads. Though, tbh, even as an affiliate,after about a year of streaming, I've made MAYBE a total of $5-10 off ads. It is completely negligible.
So Twitch is ruining my chances with who knows how many potential viewers, just to make pennies off me. It's honestly frustrating, they really need to fix the ads on that platform.
If TH-cam fix their chatting experience, I think many would switch. Twitch is swimming in a septic tank at this point. Personally don't want anything to do with them.
Twitch thinks they can do it without issues because they don't see any other streaming platform as a problem, as in no matter what they do, people will not change to their competition. Think that is true to an extent, but with the amount of things happening with Twitch lately, I wonder wether this is the breaking point for some streamers and viewers.
@UCkS0PTBqv9qddR5r4TyeKlA ok but when did I ask
TH-cams chat is fine … I don’t need a chat with thousands of emojis . Why I choose TH-cam over twitch
I feel like TH-cam might actually do something about their chat experience soon. I’d like to think they’re very aware about users being unsatisfied with their current chat. Who knows
The problem with YT is the rampant copyright strike abuse on the platform.
@@redshift912 that’s not what he’s saying, I think he’s saying the bots need to be banned
It honestly feels like Twitch is trying to punish their streamer base for progressively moving onto YT Live. Like they're taking it personally and letting it ruin their business.
Kind of like how Jeff Bezos took NASA's exclusion of Blue Origin as a business partner personally, by suing them.
Fr they hate when people have choice that’s why capitalism creates greed and control and loves power that’s why we don’t have good things anymore
@@alexchavez3244 Agreed, though this shit has basically been around since centralized authoraty came about. It's an inevitable snowball the minute someone corrupt comes into power.
Ads should just go back to banners. Intrusive ads on youtube/twitch/etc just make me remember to never spend money on those companies for interrupting and adding extra time to a video. It’s not useful anymore, newer generations literally don’t pay any attention to ads. Like Charlie said, when i see an ad, i leave.
banners pay like 0.0004 cent.
they are worth nothing
I'm actually starting to create a conspiracy in my head that Twitch is getting paid by TH-cam to die
The greatest conspiracy of All Time
There would have to be a frick load of money for that to happen
@@KrangAnimations yt is owned by google, and google happens to own chrome, google docs, google maps, google classroom, have their own phone brand (pixel) not to mention likely many other stuff.
Although outlandish, it isn't that far off... especially since it leads to a monopoly they have full control over.
nope, it's Amazon.
I read it like this,"TH-cam is paying Amazon to kill Twitch
Even if YT live chat doesn't get better, in my eyes it already is the far superior livestreaming platform because it is also a VIDEO platform.
VODs get saved automatically, and are treated just like any other video on the platform, people can make timestamps, subtitles, and most importantly comments.
You don't have to deal with expiring VOD bullshit, it'll stay there forever as long as the channel exists. The VOD watching (and even rewatching) experience is just way better for those who cannot watch live, because you can still have discussions in the comments section. This is worth WAY more than livechat features imo
xP as the replies visibility kind of just implodes for some users last few days with recent updates , it'll probably be worked out or fixed at some point though
TH-cam is popular for a reason. I think this platform is a soloist y amazing. It does nearly everything people want
The only thing theyre behind is the interaction woth viewers on stream.
Stuff like raiding etc isnt on youtube but im sure itll catch on eventually
@@DRakeTRofKBam raiding is already here but scuffed version where you have to ask approval from both parties. TH-cam is almost there and twitch dying will accelerate the process
@@Alexander-ev4kv Twitch chat is garbage in my opinion, especially on the more popular channels. It’s all hiveminded bullshit and emoji spam with no insightful comments whatsoever. Raiding is the only positive thing (streamers helping other streamers getting recognition), but the chats are too self absorbed and rely on closed off humor/memes.
TH-cam needs to do 2 things to be better than both twitch and tiktok. 1. Make 2 more sections on someone's TH-cam channel. One for Shorts and one for Streams so there's no intrusion for normal videos (Other than sub feeds) and 2. Make there live chat better. If they do those two things, everyone's moving to TH-cam once their contracts are over.
I mean this would only really benefit streamers but you have to realize youtube’s primary source of income and just primary content in general IS the normal videos. They would never gut videos and move them out of the limelight because they never originally were trying to be the better tiktok or twitch, it’s just pretty much little side projects they do because it can make more money on top of what they already make from videos. also they could never beat tiktok youtube shorts suck compared to it.
@@owentertainment2714 I didn't mean for them to take normal videos out of the lime light. But that being said, it never hurts to put more time into your side projects. Ludwig literally said the exact thing I said in one of his videos. There's always room to improve
They cant even get the regular comment section right(as evidence: all the spam bots posting some nasty sh**), and thats quite static compared to a chat...
*their
You can already filter between shorts and videos
“Why is Charlie so short”
_Me nodding my head while eating as though this were an incredibly valid and thought provoking question to ask_
I took a nap and all of Twitch got fucking destroyed. I’m never napping AGIAN.
*again
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No sleep
DO IT AGAIN.
Its all because you napped. Its all your fault dude. You made that Slick guy scam people, you made Twitch ban Erobb, you made Magnus Carlsen forfeit. All because you wanted to take a nap
I always feel better about myself after seeing multi-billion dollar companies being absolutely incompetent. Just always seems like one could do a better job. I really hope there will be a big competitor to youtube and twitch, that is competent and is a lot more consumer friendly.
That's what they get when you hire blue haired freak shows for diversity!
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 you mean the woke fellas
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 no offense but you sound incredibly moronic
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 if you think this has anything to do with "wokeness" then please go see a therapist.
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 no their staff is full of fat white knights
An important difference is that Twitch makes it more difficult to block ads by embedding them right into streams. So Twitch should be making more ad revenue per viewer. That makes it even more baffling that they want to take 50% of every sub.
IM BETTTER THAN PENGUINZ0 AND HIS INC3L FANBASE 😂😂😂
It’s not baffling, because it makes them more money. They’re a business, not a charity, but this is so obviously a “Bezos”
Adblock works on twitch still
Work arounds do exist for the current ads on twitch, how long they'll continue to work is a different matter.
There’s only one type of people I have in mind That would run a business like this and the type of people would be the same type of folks to be anti-capitalist
ive been getting up to 8 ads on youtube lately, espically when i link my phone to my xbox, and every ad will be unskippable except for the last one. all these streaming services are getting out of hand with the ads
10:42
"With great power comes great pissing"
-moist 2022
I’ve said this so many times. TH-cam needs a ”TH-cam Live” sidepage with the Twitch-like interface and chat experience. I wouldn’t even hesitate to make the switch, as well as thousands of streamers.
Exactly, i don't know why they haven't done this already...
I agree. Or a completely separate website like how TH-cam Music is.
As long as this doesn't include adding those annoying Twitch emoticons with equivalent PogKeywords™ fortnite kids love spamming sure.
@@konsolebox Bro you don't understand twitch culture at all
@@konsolebox having emotes would probably make people happier, twitch culture is a lot of emotes
TH-cam is killing Twitch by doing nothing. Every platform relies on creators to provide value for customers. Disregard the creators, disregard the customers
11:52 Amazon owns Twitch but they are technically not the same. These are different companies in itself which even send bills to each other. They don't have the same amount of cash available.
I really hope we’ll get to see a new, genuinely user friendly competitor appear. I would absolutely love to be apart of it because at this point it seems like any shmuck off the street could do a better job than entire teams at multi billion dollar corps
Same here, it would be nice to have a new era streaming platform like 2013 Twitch or something awesome.
We really just need to cycle out existing platforms every few years. Every social media platform is good when it starts before suits smell money and take over. The business "need" to expand and become more profitable at all costs slowly eats at any functionality and QoL til it's unrecognizable
It's just been too long since we had a new video platform that people actually liked and used. Maybe one day something will stick.
they always turn into greedy platforms no matter the original intentions
Currently my best are going on fanhouse who is looking to be a great option for creators
@@MrFlame-zk5cy I hope it turns out to actually be a good one! Thanks for letting me know, I’ll look arounf
I just wish a streaming platform could exist that is ultimately perfect and that works with its streamers…although corruption is never left out of the formula for a creation…
You're gonna be wishing for a long time.
Money takes over. All the time
I’m better than WhiteBoy penguinz LMAO
ME ENCANTA FOLAR Y EYACUULLAR EN LA NOVIA DE Penguinz0 PORQUE SUBO BANGERS!! 😂👌 (translate pls)
niɡɡer
I went to Twitch for the first time a few months ago, and when I clicked on a stream, I got greeted by a few unskippable ads. I watched them all, and after a few minutes, they started again. After that, I never went to that hellhole ever again.
IM BETTTER THAN PENGUINZ0 AND HIS INC3L FANBASE 😂😂😂
Brave Browser or Opera GX
Same, I never want to use twitch because of the ads alone
tbh it's your fault for not having an adblocker
Sounds about right
The fact that twitch has relatively popular alternatives is enough to tell me it’ll die one day. The 50/50 split thing is just going to ruin the idea of growing as a streamer on twitch. Twitch will just be the extra option on a simultaneous stream for extra revenue while their TH-cam stream is where they want everyone to subscribe and mainly donate there too.
Love how when Charlie updates us on like. Twitch or TH-cam drama it's damn near guaranteed to get trending.
Pretty sure he hit 1# trending twice in 24 hours lol
@Christopher Pezet (I hate niɡɡers) I would rather suck James Corden’s toes then look at your content😂
TH-cam does have an incentive to get this one trending, tbf
@Christopher Pezet (I hate niɡɡers) wow so edgy so funny haha laughs
Twitch: You turned them against me!
TH-cam Streaming: You have done that yourself
I'm really glad you made a point about discoverability on Twitch. Why would I want to sit through 5 or 6 ads when I don't know if I'll even enjoy them or vibe with the streamer. It definitely hurts discoverability.
It's why I only run an ad after my stream has been live for 15 minutes and I run 1 an hour. Minimum I'm allowed.
Absolutely. It is horrendous on Twitch. I hate to think about how many potential viewers my channel has lost because the first thing they're hit with is 60 seconds of unskippable ads.
That being said, TH-cam discoverablity isn't great either. This is a site geared towards edited videos, not streaming. Sure, big streamers do fine, but, if you're a nothing nobody like me, trying to find an audience? You have no chance. Yeah the chance of being found on Twitch is extremely slim, but, at least the little guy there HAS a chance. I think the platform that really helps out all the little people trying to make it, rather than just the big boys who have, is the one that'll really succeed. Think of everyone who has the dream of "making it big as a streamer" they'd all flock to the service that'd actually help them do it.
I think it was Charlie who brought it up before how stupid it is that there’s no cooldown either. If you do happen to sit through ads and then decide to watch someone else, you STILL get immediately hit with more ads.
I tried Twitch streaming for a few months early this year. Streamed twice a day on a daily basis. Games from series such as Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Rune Factory, Tales of series, Mana series, etc. In hundreds of hours streaming, I never had more than 3 or 4 viewers. Maybe got 7 followers in 4 months. I used a high quality mic, camera, stream quality and never had any buffering issues. I used custom made backgrounds for each game. Had a schedule for each stream. Didn't matter. The truth is, there are WAY too many people streaming on Twitch. They're all streaming the same game you are. There's just too much oversaturation. Every single person with a cheap mic and an internet connection is streaming something. Discoverability is terrible also. Streaming on Twitch as a newcomer is like throwing another plastic ball into a ball pit. You're swimming in the streams. Punny but true. TH-cam is even worse but in a different way. My YT channel actually started gaining traction a few months ago. I had like 10 subs in one day. Suddenly, they were gone. TH-cam sent me an email saying they believed the subs "could" be fake, so they removed them all. They even removed some that I had before that even happened. Four of my friends IRL all had their subs removed. Lol. That's how ridiculous it is. Which leads me to believe that YT has their own people on the platform that they want getting all the subs and views. Anyone who might pose even the smallest threat to the big channels gets shit on by the people in charge of the platform. They'll simply remove your subs and even your videos if necessary, so what's the point? I just said screw it and quit uploading. There's no point. They'll just destroy my channel as soon as I start growing. If you're not one of their guys, you're kinda fucked. Some might read this and get pissed or even laugh but it doesn't change the facts.
Nothing shows a company’s true colors like “we’re in this together”
"We're in this together" from a company means "you take the hit from our screwups and you're a horrible person for jumping ship when we make a massive mistake, we fire you the moment it's the profitable option".
Every company that says "we're in this together" when they pull stunts like this is run by parasites that would love for their employees to lack human rights.
Yeah its like "our problem is now YOUR problem"
"We're one big family"
One of the biggest marketing, pandering, copium-induced, bullshit PR lines I’ve ever heard that has just been lambasted like crazy since 2020
I feel like twitch is gonna do the corporate thing and ignore the community, release this change, leave it up for 2-4 weeks to temporarily increase profits, then back petal release some half assed public apology and say “we hear you” then we will be back at step one
Definetly
At that point they’ve probably already fucked up because lots of people would’ve left by then. I don’t see why anyone would go back to them even if they backtracked. They’ve been so awful to their creators and so biased in their rules that going back just wouldn’t be worth it.
They don't care about the extra 20% they're getting from the affected creators, their goal is clearly to increase the amount of ads being run. It's not news that they have more stock than they can run.
And wait after a few days or so and every viewer would move on and forget about all this. This is how they continue.
pedal
It's crazy how one of the biggest positives of online content compared to TV and radio was the ability to avoid ads and just about every online service is trying to shove them down our throats 24/7 now.
Twitch : All streamer will get same treatment
Expectation : all streamer get 70:30 cut
Reality : all streamer get 50:50 cut
TH-cam ads, pay more less intrusive. Twitch ads, pay shit and make streaming shit. What a great time XD
IM BETTTER THAN PENGUINZ0 AND HIS INC3L FANBASE 😂😂😂😂
What...?
@@beeninjenek8851 He's saying YT ads on average have a better payout than Twitch and its less of a pain in the ass
TH-cam ads are annoying as hell and intrusive, idk what you're talking about.
@@mikeboy337 two words: ad blocker
My biggest problem with twitch ads is the lack of audio balance. If I watch a VOD or stream, out of nowhere an ad block comes up that blows out my eardrums.
One thing that makes me worried is that a lot of times there are big moves like this, it's because they have some insider knowledge on the business side of the scene that isn't known to the general audience. So what I'm worried about is that Twitch knows something that we don't about TH-cam and their future plans. If Twitch sees this as a smart move, then perhaps they know that TH-cam is gonna be doing something similar soon.
I think you severely overestimate the competency of twitch
That is a possibility. But it's also a likely possiblity that Twitch are just being incompetent bunglers.
On the flip side of that though they made themselves the guinea pig for this strategy. So maybe if this decision demolishes the twitch platform TH-cam will see that it doesn't sit well with fans or streamers and steer clear of it, atleast for awhile.
I hope so. We all know nothing after all
so they would expect youtube to do something worse now to kind of compensate for that?
i cant imagine it being a good idea to go first then, like, youtube would surely see this and whatever they were planning, they might put on hold and instead kill twitch as a platform, then they are free to do whatever they wish with no competitors
All You can hear about this Internet is that Twitch has finally stopped to compete duel with TH-cam. Another opinion [only uncommentary person], since the Twitch makes a frackling rogue for commenters doesn't mean it you have to bid all bad comments, because Twitch seemingly needs Critics. And now, the Internet has never been good when you guys were competing duel Twitch vs. TH-cam by right now.
Twitch banned gambling ->
realised that it actually was a huge chunk of their income ->
investors pissed->
panic ->
rush out another change to make up for it ->
maybe ads encouragement will solve it too->
damn im proud of what i could make up in this little time ->
publishes announcements
How was the gambling a huge chunk of their income ?
@@candyman9635 xqc, csgo streamers, literally any big streamer has gambled on twitch basically
You’ve nailed it I think
@HoneyPopsicle sure seems like they do
@@candyman9635 because nearly every big streamer has done some sort of gambling on stream not to mention it would bring in celebrities that never stream or barely stream & would just live stream themselves playing blackjack like drake.
Twitch was the closest thing TH-cam had to a competitor, and they’re busy seeing how many shots they can take before dying. It sucks how any time something can rival TH-cam it either isn’t big enough, it’s paid-access, or it’s so poorly managed it fails.
Looks like we’ll be stuck with TH-cam for another few years
Not to mention yt is slowly but gradually increasing the length of unskippable ads, and also making them back-to-back
Charlie is out here publicly negotiating with Twitch while dunking on them, I love it lmao. Get that bag Charlie!!
This is the greatest “I might leave” threat of all time
@@CantTellYou get some piano tutorials and make me some song
@@SweetlyFaith ?
when my prof last semester manually dropped an entire section's grades from 60% to 40% to match the other sections I didn't realize that was something I would watch happen twice in a year but here we are