BoJack Horseman Ending, Explained - Then You Keep Living
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- What happened at the end of BoJack Horseman? What was the show's takeaway? In this video, we take on the show's final scene and the cultural impact of this one-of-a-kind series. If you like this video, subscribe to our channel or support us on Patreon: / thetake
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I would absolutely love to see some more stuff on Shameless.
Thanks for making these videos! It can be hard to keep up with a lot of the themes of long running shows like this and it's great that there are people making interpretations like these to wrap it all up nicely.
No mention of the homage to The Graduate yet? I think thats where the idea of the ending came from
"[Someone just left a coffee cup in the scene]"
Thats how The Graduate ending came about, they left the camera on and the actors didnt know what to do...and it was a beautiful ending that spoke about what comes next
PLEASE COVER ANNE WITH AN E
Can you do a video on male Protagonists like Geralt Of Rivia & Arthur Morgan? Protagonists that behave like dumb tough guys but have hearts of gold and are intelligent But Hide their true selves with a mask.
It's funny how the only person he never wanted in his life is the only friend he's got left.
Don't you think Todd's still here ?
I have mixed up opinions about it, even though moving away from Bojack made him feel better, he is the one taking Bojack out for fresh air, he is the one catching up to him, while Bojack seems to "force" friendship no matter what with Diana and avoid Me Peanutbutter, it feels more natural with Todd. I really feel like Todd still wants to be friend with Bojack.
But that line "it was nice while it lasted"... I don't know I'm confused
Todd, PC?
Its MPB
@@mathieudrapier-darnoux7463 I agree, in the end we can see that Todd was still Bojack's friend even if he had distanced himself from him. And I think the line was referring to the fireworks/his moment of wisdom (and of course the whole series' ending) :)
@@mathieudrapier-darnoux7463 Todd's "it was nice while it lasted" line was not about their friendship. In response to Todd's "Hokey Pokey" revelation, Bojack says he's never sure if Todd is being smart or being stupid; he thought for a moment that Todd was being smart, but then figured otherwise. Todd's response to that was: "it was nice while it lasted"
The end left me thinking “that’s it?” but I guess that’s how a lot of things in life ‘end’
Me too man. I was like what the hell was that. But after watching this, that's life, not every thing happens the way you expect it to and we move on.
same, I felt there were a lot of loose ends still, but bringing them all up would've been forced and that's the way life is sometimes, death leaves things unsolved
I cried too much..
It would have been a better ending if bojack died, it's messed up, but I really like dark endings.
I guess the more important takeaway is what literally you take away from it. BoJack Horseman show was an amazingly written story, with shitload of dimensions to each character (past, present, future), different dynamics and philosophies of life, and yeah that’s it. Maybe it helps you navigate some of the stuff in your life, maybe it helps you form some kind of stances when it comes to relationship management and dealing with mental health. I really think it’s deeper than that, and I recommend you rewatch it at some later time in your life and I guarantee you, the ending will hit you differently.
Like some people said :
"One of the most realistic show out there is a show about a talking horse"
the show’s dffly much deeper than thay xd
Yup wisest words
It's funny because this show has some if the best depictions of depression, addiction, and suicide. It's downright scary. This is why this show worked so well
Watching the episode were Diane struggles to write hey book because of the antidepressants, all her thoughts, I was like “yeah, that’s exactly how it feels, fast paced thoughts about me being not good enough and getting distracted by something else which ends up somehow connecting to how you feel” I had to stop watching that episode because it made me feel so depressed and wanted to do something productive but couldn’t quite put my finger on it until my boyfriend took me out of the house to go buy groceries even tho he didn’t know how was I feeling, and that made me get of the hole.
Watching how depression made Bojack go into religion is very personal to me. I believe that the ending is him dying and the last episode is just a dream.
Y’all good?
I just finished it like a bit ago and I have to say the view from halfway down genuinely scared me since I’ve been in such a rough place mentally, the poem and then the ending of the show really impacted me.
I had to take a 3 year break from this show before i could catch up and finish it lol its brutal at times
Todd doesn’t end the friendship- he begins it.
It is all in the footprints
I took it as: even though some of those times were horrible and shitty, he still 'carried' Todd for all those years. But now Todd is 100% standing on his own two feet, not just with BoJack, but with everyone. I thought that was a nice little conclusion to his arc.
It was the start of Bojack truly seeing Todd for who he is as a person rather than just a thing in his life because he's living on his couch and as a result he feels entitled to Todd's friendship. Without Todd on his shoulders he's able to look him in the eyes and be proud of his friend
I think these are all really interesting and valid interpretations.
I think it's a new beginning. The sand of course, is still there, but they're starting a new line on the sand. The past is still there, but the relationship is new, whatever form it will take.
For sure. And I think people are over looking how eager Todd is to be nice to Bojack in this episode, and how disappointed he was when he heard Bojack is going back to prison.
Think about it from his perspective: he just reconnected with his mother. He learns that after years of losing contact, it becomes really hard to reconnect. But it is possible, and in this case, worth it. Now he sees Bojack, a friend that gave him a place to live, and during Bojacks darkest period Todd wasn't there for him (with good reason). I think he feels guilty for running away from these two, and wants to turn himself around and be there for them as much as he can.
The last episode has two opposite stories going on. The end of Dianne and Bojacks friendship and the beginning of Todd and Bojacks. And that's a really good ending actually. The whole series we watch Dianne and Bojack feed off of each others negativity, with Bojack chasing her for validation. At the same time we've watched Todd offer the positivity Bojack needs, while Bojack totally ignores him. Finally the frienship that should end has ended, and the one that should've been has begun.
In the last episode, there's actually a Fireflame billboard in the background with Gina on it, indicating that even though she wasn't recommended to be in the superhero movie, she's still cast as the lead! It's nice to think that Kelsey saw past the idea that Gina was "difficult" and decided to place her bets on her anyway
Where was it?
@@smilesadlylaughloudly5833 I just checked again and you can see it outside the window when Bojack and Mr Peanutbutter are eating at the diner! Like 4-5 minutes into the episode
neyugn thank you!
neyugn I loved that detail! And if anyone in Hollywoo is shrewd enough to see through what some male filmmaker says about Gina, it's Kelsey.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THat, i hadnt seen it.
BoJack horseman shocked me with how deep it can be. I thought it was just going to be a TV show about wacky characters and an alcoholic horse but it's so much bigger than that. Achieved something most adult animations don't
Agreed, it was actually more deep than I realised, and covered mental health issues more effectively than "Thirteen Reasons Why", in my book, at least! 💖
@@trinaq it's sad when a cartoon does a better job talking about serious issues then a TV show with real people.
@@wonderwoman5663 is it sad or amazing that people came together and didn't bullshit us with a horse family guy making something we'll never see again
I think a lot of people who would have appreciated the depth of this show were turned off from starting it because it looks like some Family Guy bullshit.
Yeah i want more
I was so excited about tuca and birdie... it got reall at the end of seasom 1 but apparently theyre not picking it back up?
WHY? Bojack was such a hit..
Yeah, the idea that the final episode is another hallucination is a fun notion to entertain. But I think for Bojack, death would be the ultimate escape from accountability to the people he's hurt. And the show is about the opposite of that.
YukiTombo wow well said! i totally agree
I wish Bojack died honestly. For me the show was about how no matter how hard you try, the mistakes of your past can't be washed away.
Pierre Martin yes the mistakes of your past can’t be and shouldn’t be washed away but still you can take accountability for your past, accept your fate and keep living. killing bojack would honestly be the easy way out. it’s more difficult to do all that and then get up and face the consequences. sorry if this doesn’t make any sense.
@@anjalmehta2237 what is the point of that? I would rather he died.
Right? Everyone kept saying it was a cop out that he died, but him dying would be the cop out. He wouldn’t have to take any accountability or continue the uphill battle of getting better that is life.
I'm just peeved it wasn't confirmed that Vincent Adultman was actually an adult
Miriah Allen loved that sequence 😂
I had forgotten about this, NOW IM PEEVED
he was. it was confirmed on Wikipedia 😃👍
In the art book it’s confirmed. You can see the outlines of the 3 kids
@@nicolebee3283 he was obviously an adult who worked at an adult factory. What are you on about ?
Shout out to Mr Peanutbutter for being a top bloke and always there for Bojack being a genuinely positive influence, despite getting nothing but a crossover episode in return. We all need a Mr Peanutbutter in our lives.
I have one, that's why I'm still alive.
Well no one wants to be that Mr PB huh?
Yeah I too want a superficial egomaniac, who dances through his life with sheer luck and never thinking of the needs and problems of others. Who wouldn't want someone like him?!
He’s not perfect, yes his inconsiderateness and love of attention can be infuriating but he does come through for Bojack multiple times throughout the show; eg helping him find the doll, picking him up from jail. He’s also the only main character that sticks with Bojack unconditionally throughout his cancellation, not worrying about his own reputation. All despite the fact that Bojack is pretty dismissive to him all the time. On the scale of screwed up people on this show, Mr Peanutbutter’s alright.
@@benjaminsaffir7871 He is in certain aspects better than most of the show, I agree. But still I wouldn't want him as a friend, being always oblivious to my needs and deeper feelings and almost never be able to talk about serious issues. But as a buddy to hang out with, sure, such a character would be great.
I got a tattoo of Bojack on my wrist when this show ended. Not just because it left an emptiness in my heart, but also because from time to time I do need a reminder that being a selfish, careless person but with a good heart doesn't make you a good person. Your helplessness doesn't justify your wrong actions. And when you hurt someone, you don't get to decide you didn't. Thank you for 6 years of exporting hope to me Bojack.
Till we cross paths again... ♥
well said
This comment is the best
Shriyut Kumar Srivastava what is the tattoo of?
When you cross paths again and rewatch this show watch it with a friend, a family member, a person who is struggling, a child, or whatever is close to you. This show needs to live on in those we pass it onto. I intend to cross paths again with bojack horseman when I grow old enough to adopt children from my country of Ethnicity India so I can bring them to the U.S and give them a solid foundation with proper media, parenting, etc. Share this story so its lessons can live on in those you share it with. I'm personally going to try and get a full blue ray box set of this show because I have a feeling netflix is soon going to shut down since it is 13.8 billion dollars in debt.
@@gamerscouncil2974 it's the photo of his face, it's my Twitter profile photo @tuyirhs if you're interested to see it.
Something that is not mentioned is that bojack had positive influence in his friends too. He's the one that encouraged Diane to take her antidepressants. Introduced Todd's app to her current girlfriend. Maybe I defend him too much and he did more wrong that good but still.
yes!! this was after rehab, when he really tried to be better and I love all the subtle acts of kindness that bjoack does, not realizing that they send him to a state of "being a good person".
My favorite quote was Diane's "We're all just guys..." quote that speaks to this. Diane was partially trying to deal with the fact that she had knowingly participated in an affair, but it still holds true. ANYONE can screw up and you have to make the choice to be a better person everyday. And every day it gets a little easier...but you gotta do it every day...that's the hard part...but it does get easier...Thank you, nameless jogging mandril.
Nah that's all fair and shoulda been included tbh especially hooking todd up with his gf. that was a big step for him. he's sabotaged todd a lot so that was something significant to me tbh.
He’s definitely a mixed bag. It’s apparent that everyone wants to see their actions as good. Or if they are aware their actions are bad, they want to justify their actions by justifying their good feelings once the action is done. He’s definitely no Hitler. But even Hitler thought what he was doing was justified. It’s just how far a person’s morals goes.
@@GhostStealth590 Mixed bag like the Madrid bombings?
Great analysis of the finale. I am getting tired of people only talking about the "imaginary" Bojack is dead ending.
I understand that people want the dramatic ending, but it's not what the show was about.
sorkaem
Agreed
Agreed, it's such a realistic and beautiful ending to the show. He's becoming better but it doesn't erase all the damage he's done to the people around him. He needs to grow and find a new life for himself. Death is not the answer, this ending sends a much better message too.
Near the end of the credits of "The View From Halfway Down" the heart rate monitor actually starts beeping again from flatline, so that theory is hella debunked imo
sorkaem I can understand your point of view here but that’s the thing with art, it’s whatever you want it to be. If you think that The View From Halfway Down is the ending to Bojack, then that’s the end. If you think that the show ends at the finish of season 4 with Bojack happy then that’s the end. You’ve personally decided to see the final episode as the ending but that doesn’t necessarily make it true.
@@Icewagner98 Technically with that argument you could stop any show at any point and claim that's the end, but It's hard to argue that point when those later episodes exist. You can stop reading a book halfway through but that doesn't mean it's the end of the book. It just means that's the end of your personal experience with the book.
When is Aaron Paul gonna take another role as the very likable friend of a self-destructive antihero?
Westworld, maybe ?
Hmmmm.... the second emoji movie?
Damn, mind blown
yo mistuh white
People with traumatic childhoods can relate deeply to Bojack's journey. Choosing life instead of a slow and intoxicated death is a constant battle, a constant reminder that you have the opportunity to be happy or miserable every time the sun rises. When you come from a broken home every day you wake up, you are forced to face not only the morning and the present problems, but also the ghosts of the past that hunt you and the anxiety of an uncertain future.
I am this person. And most of the times I’m going through just the motions. Watching this show gave me a sense of perspective in my own journey.
@@nalediserunye4073 hope you’re doing okay
Y’all need to talk?
As someone who grew up in an unstable family I know that feeling.
I’m not from broken home, but i feel deeply related because of my life and myself
The thing I liked most of the ending was Diane not getting everything she has always wanted and still be happy
That's such an important arc that she needed to learn. She had such high expectations for all the damage she had in life, as if there was some cosmic karma law on converting all the trauma into some sort of meaning. Seeing her just appreciate life as is, not feeling guilty all the time about "being happy when other people are suffering" Scared of not being this girl super hero saving lives with her story. Now she's just being herself. Just existing and being good to the people around her. Finding contentment in that.
Yes
@@cookiesyruplover aka goals.
Because she took antidepressants🙄... The show was soooo deep
@@lucacoppola9813 antidepressants are actually a serious deal as you can end up dependent on them and rely on them for your happiness; but it feels like fake happiness. I've been on antidepressants before and its more complicated than oh just some medicine glug glug.
This show is the most important piece of media I have ever consumed in my life. Never has something connected with me in such a deep and meaningful way or shown so many parallels to my own life and struggles. I started to watch this show right when I first started struggling with depression, after my mom's death a few years ago. Since then, it has given me something to look forward to every year, and even now with it's bittersweet ending, it leaves me a wonderful important lesson. Sometimes, life's a bitch then you keep living. My depression and suicidal thoughts have hit me hard ever since last year all over again, and this final season has been fundamental in giving me motivation to keep moving forward. I will always have hard days, but it's refreshing to see something honest that acknowledges that the road will always be tough, it's not a straight line and you will fall multiple times. It's not treating depression or anxiety as something you just have to live with and that better things are for sure ahead, truth is, we don't know...no one does. But that's okay. Just like the show ended with BoJack's uncertain future ahead, my future is just as uncertain. Perhaps all the plans and dreams I've made out for myself will come true and I'll have the happy life I've always wanted and feel I deserve, like Diane. Or that won't happen....but you have to live to find out right?
I'm rooting for you Misty.
I understand how you feel. Sometimes life gets you down big time. But we survived cause we're
strong and God blessed us so that we learn to move forward even in moments of great despair. I'm going through the same circumstances and it hasn't been easy especially when a dear loved one is gone. It's really a mix of all kinds of overwhelming feelings like sadness and dread. Not to mention depression and it's totally normal to feel that way (you can always look for help like I did ), it can last years but then you start to finally feel better after a long period of time. It's hard at first to let go. Started doing hobbies, went on trips and other stuff so that I could distract myself . The feeling of loss is still there not gonna lie but now I don't let it control my life the way it use to. That doesn't mean our loved one are out our lives completely cause they will always be deep within our hearts where ever we go. You deserve all the love in the world .I hope that you find the happiness your looking for. Remember that even if we fall , we will always find a way to get up know matter what. Life is a true blessing even the hardest of times. I'm not saying it's easy , you are a child of God and your gonna make it through this. You are a awesome warrior. God bless you 💜💜💙💙
"But u have to live to find out right?" RIGHT 😭
Amazing show same
Iam so sorry about your mom my friend . Hope you can have a good life with your lovers
I like how no one addressed that Diane gained weight throughout the last couple seasons
exactly, it's just a part of life, I had been waiting for someone to bring it up and for it to be a whole plotline, but I'm really glad they didn't pull something into the story that wouldn't have realistically been a big deal to any of the characters.
It was her meds that's caused weight gain
@@laticiaburgos3432 they know they mean they didn’t acknowledge it. there were never jokes or anything about it. honestly rlly speaks to bojack as change after rehab. i thought for sure seeing her at Wesleyan would’ve resulted in a few fat jokes
Honestly the best analysis of the ending I've seen yet. It doesn't spend 20 minutes debating back and forth the two sides of whether Bojack lived or died based on surface imagery just from the last two episodes, but reads the ending in the context of the messages the show has been driving since season one. I'm going to miss this show so much, it was definitely nice while it lasted, and now it's time to keep living.
I started watching the show January 20th 2017. I know this because it was two weeks after I tried to kill myself. I was dealing with some deep issues of PTSD from the military, depression, anxiety, my wife at the time leaving me and feeling like I was going to never see my kids again. Three things saved me and helped me to actually maybe try again instead of trying to end it all. Those three things were Neil Brennan's 3 Mics, Bo Burnham's Make Happy and, of course, Bojack Horseman.
When I first saw the trailer for this I thought it was going to just be another cartoon show that maybe touched on some real world stuff, but in the end was just there for a few good/stupid laughs. Fuck, I was wrong. I saw something of myself in every character and it helped me to look into my own struggles, doubts and how I really needed to get professional help for what was happening to me.
I finally watched the last half of the final season. Before I started I almost felt like crying. I was so damn afraid of what was going to happen and how I would feel seeing it. I can say it was by far the best ending I've seen for a show. It may have been somewhat rushed, but it wasn't a good ending or even a bad ending. It just ended. They learned things and would continue doing that while being alive.
Raphael, the writers and the cast did something that I know helped out so many people including myself. I'm not sure if they will ever understand the impact this had on people like me. I guess I do know how I feel now about it. I'm grateful.
I'm so sorry to hear about your struggles. 😞 However, I'm pleased that BoJack helped you get through them, and made you laugh through the darkness! 💖🤗
"What would you have done if Bojack wasent the masterclass show that deals with these things?
Find another show i suppose"
So happy you're still with us
@@jvukovic4 Like I said Bojack wasn't the only shows that helped, but it was one of the main. I mean, I don't think it is easy getting better from just one thing if you've fallen pretty deep.
@@Void84276 i was referencing how herb kazass kinda said the same thing, where he was talking how much he liked watching the boston red sox play
After watching a clip from that one season 1 episode where Charlotte was explaining to bojack that Hollywood was a just a large lake of tar, I just realize that death was being represented by the tar in "The View from Halfway Down"
In "Escape from L.A." it gets brought up again and Charlotte says:
C: I think you're the tar pit
BJ: me?
C: No, not "you" you. I'm just saying, like It doesn't matter where you are, it's who you are, and that's not gonna change whether you're in California or Maine or New Mexico. You know, you can't escape you.
So the tar is both a metaphor for LA and Bojacks inability to escape himself and his past.
The narrator sounds a little like Princess Carolyn
Omg she does but I don't know what aspect of it makes it so similar.
Ah, fish.
I'm not convinced, unless she could do tongue twisters for straight 10 seconds.
No, she sounds like Emma stone
Anthony it‘s the way she emphasized certain words mid-sentence and or at the end i think
What do you mean none of them are going to be there for him? Mr. Peanutbutter has made it clear he will always support Bojack. And Todd didn’t say he was done with Bojack. He’s just going to be a more mature version of a friend. :)
Right, coz that what a true friend really does. Excluding him from a party, where almost only actors take part. Todd is afraid that Bojack could ruin a party for his parents and that is an awful position. If he were a friend, he would stand by bojack, just the way he is
@@mamoruchiba752 You'd think that, but Todd and the rest distanced themselves because it was healthy for them (that is being a mature friend; even if the friend decides to cut you out of their life, they are still making a mature choice). You can still be a friend from a distance, if you choose; it doesn't make you a bad friend, it makes you a friend who is also looking out for yourself and your own mental health, which is what Todd and Princess Carolyn seem to be doing, whereas Diane and Hollyhock decide to distance completely because that was what was necessary for them to keep going. And let's be honest, once all of the main characters distanced from Bojack, they all made changes that helped them. Bojack could have come along for that ride IF he'd made permanent changes when they MATTERED, not just when HE needed it to matter. Friendship is give and take; Bojack mostly just took and his friends got tired of it. Nothing is wrong with that; Bojack just has to learn the lesson that you treat friends better if you want to keep them around, not just call on them when you need something, like he did most of the show. No one is OWED a friend who will stick by them just because.
@@mamoruchiba752 Honestly, not if you bring Vance Wagner
I don't even think Diane will stay away forever to be honest. (at least I hope not...)
Mr peanutbutter is a Labrador, he can't feel sadness, or better yet his immune to depression he hides behind his smile and positive self, of course he'll go back to BoJack for better or worse
Who knew the hokey pokey was so inspiring? Todd did!
A wise man once said, "Death is so final. While life...life is full of possibilities".
Tyrion Lannister? Or was it Jaime?
When Todd said "it was nice while it lasted" he wasn't necessarily talking about his friendship with Bojack. Todd is essentially resetting the relationship with him. He still cares about Bojack, he noticed how uncomfortable Bojack was and took him outside for air. Both Todd and Mr Peanutbutter decided to go out of their way to help him. Mr peanutbutter picked him up from prison and Todd took him outside for air. Unlike with PB, things will be different, they are (probably) never be as close again. But by running up to Bojack, and talking about fixing the relationship between him and his mom, Todd is basically telling Bojack "I still want you in my life." This is not the last time they will ever see each other.
I love that we get to see Diane's life isn't perfect and that it's work, and it wasn't a straight line to get there, but it turned out pretty damn good and she has the support she needs to keep going. I've had three Bojacks (at different times) in my life and I related to Diane so much on so many levels. This show helped me process that I have to stop trying to save people who are comfortable putting me in the role of savior. It still feels a little bit like weakness to admit that I'm not a Mr. Peanutbutter, that I am grappling with my own darkness and I don't have a strong enough reserve of unending puppy-like joy to keep pulling someone out of the fire, especially when what they often want most is for us to burn together, but if I'm being honest it's its own form of weakness to keep sacrificing yourself just to prove a point. I really loved this show.
Nikkie Slaughter wow. I have never seen someone put into words exactly how I feel. Sadly despite knowing all these things in my brain, I haven’t made it to the point in my heart where I am able to walk away from the people who keep throwing fire around. Love is a crazy thing. Thank you very much just for writing this comment.
This resonated so hard with me right now, as someone else commented you've put in words how I feel right now with a particular bojack in my life
This show tackles heavy subjects such as mental health, substance issues and death with a nuance, humor and sensitivity that most shows about real life people these days fail to do. The ending was bittersweet but fitting for what is one of the best heartfelt series ever created.
I think the ending really reinforced the central message of the show. The only guarantees in life are change and death. Forgiveness is not a guarantee.
What a horrible message and horrible comment
Except self-forgiveness if you let it. In a way taking away that hope of everything going our way can free us to evolve in our own time, and actually become better people.
@@FabalociousDee The OP's message is gross and not true. What a crappy worldview some people have
@@paloma4444 Well, as long as it don't let it get to you, eh?
@@paloma4444 Please forgive me
Also the poem Secretariat wrote was just such stunningly beautiful commentary. I remember reading about someone who interviewed people who survived their suicide attempts from jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, and nearly every single one of them said that the second they jumped, they suddenly realized that every problem that led them to that ledge could be solved if they could only go back to that ledge. I think that's such an important and deep moment for people, and I find it so interesting and important that they put that in this show.
Bojack Horseman and The Take in the same video? What is this, an analysis of the ending of the show, Bojack Horseman?
People talk about Rick and Morty being intelligent because of the philosophical and scientific jargon thrown around on an elementary level. They confuse universal and existential with intelligent. This show, on the other hand, is head and shoulders above R&M on a thematic level. Some of these storylines are so layered and authentic that you can't help but feel like you're watching a memoir unfold in real time or authentic reality show more than a cartoon. It was indeed nice while it lasted. On that note, i'll end with the most important quesiton this show ever asked? Are they guns or are they brooms?
Rick and Morty is good and can be quite deep too. I think Bojack surpasses it in emotional realness but there are some hard hitting moments in rick and morty.
I think it’s just the awful fan base of rick and morty that ruin it for me like I love rick and morty but the fandom of bojack horseman is so much better
I was unaware the two fandoms hated eachother as both shows discuss nihilistic themes
@@Merlincat007 Rick and Morty doesn't balance comedy and drama as good as Bojack does, which in turn ruins their attempts at being deep, because the main premise of the show is the wacky adventures of Rick and Morty, not a combination of satire and character study like Bojack is.
Dru Owen the only way to find out is to shoot each other
BoJack couldn’t have died. How would his mind have known about PC and Judah getting married
Maybe they didn't.
Doug Bennett No I’m pretty sure it happened
Doug Bennett yes but Bojack wouldn’t have known about them at all, and we see Judah confess his love to PC
The way the frame just remains still...really just allowed everyone to sink in the entire series. Still can't believe it's over.
BoJack: "is it terrifying"
Herb: "No I don't think so it's the way it is ya know everything must come to an end the drip finally stops"
BoJack: "see you on the other side"
Herb: "Oh BoJack no... there is no other side this is it."
😭😭😭💔💔💔
"Bouncing back and forth between long stretches of selfishness and brief moments of insight and self-awareness that makes his flaws even more tragic" this can't be more accurate and I relate deeply to that.
tbh, I loved each of the characters endings, here's a quick breakdown of why:
Bojack: he was a shitty person who did shitty things throughout the series and blamed everyone else for them. After trying to change, he kept his guilt and nearly ended his story by killing himself in a way that'd make Diane guilty for the rest of her life. I'm glad he didn't die, but I'm also super glad that he didn't get a happy ending, because he didn't deserve one. I'm glad that the show never gave him closure, and held him accountable for all the shitty things he did. After the shit with Penny, trying to kill Gina, and letting Sarah Lynn die to protect himself, he didn't deserve forgiveness, because his actions were unforgivable
Diane: she got a more chill life that was definently better for her, she got a man who understood her more that mr peanutbutter ever did, and most importantly she realized that life can be lived happily and started actively working to better herself; she was a good person who deserved a good ending
Todd: I'm glad his ending was happy, and his arc of self discovery ended well with finding Maude; it felt good seeing him find someone who made him happy; and since he was such a positive character he deserved his happy ending
Mr Peanutbutter: while seeming like a great person at first, throught the series he was shown to be a shitty person, and I'm glad that his ending was on the shitty side as a result of his shitty choices with pickles
Princess Caroline: She was always hard working towards her goals, and after years of being taken advantage of or being let down, it was great seeing her be happy and overcome her problems, since she found and married someone who made her happy, became a great mom, and balanced her work and home life; it felt like a great end to her arc
Sarah Lynn: I love Sarah Lynn, but I feel that her tragic ending was amazing writing. Her life was meant to be tragic; always being taken advantage of, being sexualized and sexually abused, being a raging addict from a young age, and being used for profit by her mom even after her death; she never got a happy ending, which made her story the most beautifully tragic in the whole show.
anyway those are just my opinions
Everyone deserves a happy ending dude, saying that Bojack doesn’t is a stupid take. It’s obvious that you’ve wholly missed the point with his character
@@aqeelraja4750 You say everyone deserves a happy ending, but I'm sure there's more than a few people you'd agree don't.
One thing i liked is how they always kept mr peanutbutter, a person who, even after bojack did all of the horrible things, a character that shows unconditional love to him. Much like a real dog. He may have grown up during the show, but that core personality trait never really changed.
Who else cried with sobs in the end (& it happened without my knowledge)
Me 😂
I did
But wait a minute... Not ALL his friends left him. Mister Peanutbutter himself said he'd always be there for him.
And todd and PC
The episode where BoJack "dies" made me cry at the end. Then in the last episode when Diane said "you have so much power over me", it felt incredible. Manipulated my emotions like a toy. Bravo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Damn you're right, the audience is just like Diane
For me The ending is amazing because it is just animation show portraits amazingly the real life. Portraiting mental health problems , unhealthy childhoods. Shows evolution and life simple goes on. People that you talked everyday are not simply secondary characthers of show where you are protagonists. They make new friends, they estabilishes family...
BoJack Horseman is about that .... Portraiting that life just goes with the flow... They are the two together maybe the last time. Maybe not... because tomorrow is a new day. Life starts again... is not about death of a horse. But the tomorrow of us all
That ending hit me like a freight train, it actually got me crying.
I hated Bojack for most of the show, and I was glad every time someone cut him off their lives, but I started to understand him, then acknowledging that he was changing, becoming better, to the point that I wanted him to die in that limbo episode so he wouldn't have to suffer the consequences. Shit be serious. Todd's attitude towards him on the beach was really nice to watch, it was necessary and helped me see that that relationship was actually being born, and Mr. Peanuttbutter going to therapy was also very nice.
I have to say, I'm a very happy person so I didn't relate to many things at the beginning and watching the first season made me feel unnecessarily bad, so I stopped for a good while, but how glad I am that I gave it a chance and how glad I am that it exists. I needed this.
I think this is the best possible ending a show could have. Why? Because it's the most realistic. None of the characters' arcs gets any true closure because that's not how reality works. With reality, you get the rose of doubt in the garden of hope--your mind says "don't poison yourself with hope", but your heart says "hope is not poison. It's a sunrise on a cloudy day."
Will Diane's newest relationship work out? History says 'no'. But she's found The Outlet: the way to express herself and follow her dreams of making a difference that have eluded her for the near-entirety of her adult life. And she has a boyfriend willing to support and who genuinely understands her depression.
Will BoJack overcome the challenges of having to rebuild his fortunes and image after having told the truth about Sarah Lynn's death? History says 'no'. But that interview, as powerful as it was, also revealed how brutally people--and especially Hollywood--will chain you to your past to keep a narrative alive, and that's exactly what that woman did with her words. Her sole motivation was money. Throughout the whole series, you're flying between "BoJack needs to go down HARD and PERMANENTLY" and "For fuck's sake, give him a chance!!!!" And you're still on that roller coaster when he looks to the stars for the last time. But now he has what may be the one genuine chance to turn his life around and leave his past behind.
Will Princess Carolyn make a good mother and be able to keep up VIM? History says 'no'. She has miscarried six times, been fired from her longtime job and sometimes barely keeps her own will to live afloat. Atop that, she HAS failed to keep VIM open in the past, so the chips are down for her in that regard. But Napoleon said "Victory belongs to the most persevering." He was taunted by his peers at military school, and ended up either conquering or diplomatically neutralizing most of Europe. Failures do not erase accomplishments, and PC knows this. Even if it's just out of fear that she'll turn out like her mom or BoJack or something, fear is a powerful--if not the ultimate--motivator.
Will Todd do anything to live up to himself? Who knows, but everything he does is genuine. We've seen that get him as far as it can take him and we've seen how other people take advantage of that--until they can't anymore. History says "Todd is an idiot." Hope says "Todd is Todd."
And everyone else works the same way. We'll never know if Penny or Hollyhock get through the limelight BoJack pushes them under, or what that letter from Hollyhock said. Again, because reality doesn't work like that--you don't always get closure. You get pain, hope, derision, love, hate, apathy, lust, rage and all that good stuff in whatever measure the world feels like giving it to you in. And in that respect--the respect of truth--the show excelled.
I close the series with this: "The sun is shining even when it is raining. You must never forget either fact."
notice how the beginning of the last episode was the heartbeat from the penultimate episode. it gives ambiguity to the whole "was the last episode fake" theory as both episodes ended on bojack talking to diane and understanding she wasn't going to be there for him.
I never liked bojack
(The character himself)
But dammit this was a good show.
*”there’s no changing that!”*
Okay, "Excited Cat", are your biggest character traits posting about "give me chicken nuggets I love food", avoiding people, hating bras, and loving cold rooms? Cause you look like the person who'd slap INTJ on their IG profile and I don't think Bo'd much like you either.
Moves Smitt wow you are a very hateful person .., are you related to bojack or something ?
@@ussishkingang7194 Ha, why, am I totally spot on for you too? Ehhhh, re-read my comment, I think pegging someone as a stereotypical INTJ isn't exactly under the purview of "very hateful", and half of my, uh, "insults" were references to Sassy Malone. I think the only person who could know exactly how deep-cutting what I said is, is either someone of the precise personality I pontificated, OR someone intimately familiar with such: aka friends, family.
Good job on picking up on my feelings, though! While I didn't spew hate at this person, I definitely tried to make a less-offensive, more-jokey-hokey type way of expressing the disdain I've got for people who say they are INTJ, or "cat people" and you picked it up, ha. Can't say you're entirely wrong, though "hate" isn't the right word, I definitely start off with prejudice when it comes to them folks.
But yeah, I resonate with the show for a reason. I've gone through it and come out the other side, if that's what you mean. I could fit in as Bojack's parallel universe son, or something, haha. :)
But...If I'm "very hateful", I'd love to hear how you describe the rest of the actually hateful "fuck u bitch hope u get graped" type of people on the internet...
@@movessmitt6427 the Myers Briggs type indicator is bullshit anyways. Also you must be a very fun likeable person to hang out with..
@@movessmitt6427weird comment
Guys, im spiraling. Bojack was supposed to end with a fix for all my problems...
It gets easier. But you have to do it every day. That's the hard part. But it does get easier.
psychologically, this show was SO on point and SO realistic, especially all the stuff with everyone's parents. i loved loved loved the story of bojack's mom and her parents. it showed so realistically what generational trauma is.
Isn’t art more about what somebody gets out of it, then what you put in?
Just no. Really no. If art was a crime, then u don't think it counts, what someone gets out of it, it is just a bad thing, albeit some people may profit in one or the other way. If u buy a shi**y song, u could get happy feelings out of it because for some reason u like it. But that doesn't make that song good and it surely is irrelevant if u can get something positive out of it. If u look at things like this, then every bad action could be seen as good, because some people might get something good out of it. So just no. Stupid characters don't get things right, cause they r stupid. Their comments mostly are, what they are, stupid. Or too put it like house m.d.: if u believe a psycho has hidden secrets of life, u yourself are one.
Mamoru Chiba this is about objective art not people
Mamoru Chiba Bro, I don’t want to be a grammar Nazi, but I could hardly read your response.
@@mamoruchiba752 no, just no
I love the ending, I love that BoJack doesn't get the "easy" way out. He has to deal with his mistakes and the fact that his chosen family has chosen to move on without him.
one thing i find interesting is how “times arrow marches forward” while the characters never could. diane was always still stuck on the same issues with her mental health, todd was always happy but always codependent on others to support his life (almost like a child), PC was always dealing with the problem of helping others instead of herself, Mr Peanutbutter was always living a constant battle of having bad things happen to him but still staying positive (+the recurring issue with his ladies), and bojack of course was stuck in his glory days. times arrow marched on, but they stood still.
at the end of the show however, everyone has moved forward with their lives and are in a much better place. everyone but bojack that is. just like at the very beginning of S1, all he had was todd, who despite everything chose to forgive him and stay friends, and mr peanut butter, the loyal dog he could never quite get rid of. “times arrow neither stands still nor reverses, it merely marches forward.” and yet he ended up right where he started.
not only this, but the quotes “life’s a bitch and then you die/keep living” and “every happy ending has the day after the happy ending” play a big role in the ending to me. they all got a happy ending in a way, but for bojack and diane, as usual, life was a bitch. except, they both lived. bojack survived his “accidental” attempt and diane is no longer suicidal + has a loving husband and stepson. but bojack still has to suffer the consequences of his actions while diane thought she was the cause of his false death, sending them into their same spiral. but this time, they live, and this is their second chance. their happy-ish ever after. only this time, we don’t get to see what comes next. the curtain fell.
eh, who knows. maybe i am reading into it like bojack said.
I think the part that really kind of hurt about the show was just how much Bojack was an asshole for six seasons! Despite all his fancy talks about being better deep down or trying to be better eventually because of his actions... He was still the same for six years.
No, he wasn't, although it can feel like it. He has his ups and downs combined with mental health problems. His problem is he ends up in the same place no matter what he tries, cause he thinks becoming better is a 1 time effort. Hence he ends up in the same place and that is his eternal struggle. Like Todd said: "And then you get sober again" But after he hit his first rock bottom (withdrawal) he kinda accepted that he has a problem. And that it took him 6 years is just how life plays out most of the time. When you are in a bad place change is slow and sometimes it feels like falling back.
Isn't that the point? Bojack was never meant to be likeable.
@@igormajdandzic7587 It's been two years but I really like what you said and I wanted to add to this it this quote from free churro, "But in real life, the big gesture isn’t enough. You need to be consistent, you need to be dependably good. You can’t just screw everything up and then take a boat out into the ocean to save your best friend, or solve a mystery, and fly to Kansas. You need to do it every day, which is so… hard." He was talking about showing the people in his life that he loves them, but it can be applied to his overall state of being too. All throughout the 6 seasons of Bojack Horseman we see him constantly make these "big gestures" as attempts to get better - he acts in secretariat, he goes to new mexico, he dates Wanda, and Gina, and hangs around people who are good for him, he fixes up his grandparents' vacation home and saves Eddie, he calms his mother down, he finds Hollyhock's mother - but at the end of the day, he always messes these things up at the last moment and burns every bridge after a single mistake, then spirals back into old habits.
What is so beautiful about this ending is that it’s not sad or happy. Not dramatic, but still meaningful. It’s life....nothing more. Nothing less.
Diane is my favourite character by far. She was always so aware of everything going on, and she was always honest and sincere. And I looove how politically woke she is and she always kept holding people accountable and speaking up for what’s right. We need more people like her.
Through out the show, it talks about how television always has some big gesture that characters make at the end so that they are forgiven for all they’ve done. The end of this show makes a point in not doing that. I think the point of the ending is that you are your actions “I don’t think I believe in deep down. I kind of think that all you are is the things you do.” But it also emphasizes how people change people and that the connections we make with people are important, “Kelsie, in this terrifying world, all we have are the connections that we make. I’m sorry I got you fired, I’m sorry I never called you after.” It also has the message, that no matter what happens, “Life’s a bitch and then you die. Sometimes life is a bitch and you keep on living.” Waking up every morning and doing life sounds easy, but can be hard, “It’s amazing to me that people wake up every morning and say, ‘yeah, another day let’s do it.’ How do they do it?” But, I’m not sure if anyone wakes up like that, at least, not every morning. The point is, “Everyday it gets a little easier. But you gotta go it everyday, that’s the hard part.”
After writing this, I realize that it’s basically just a conglomeration of quotes from the show. So, I guess the show just speaks for itself, which is really awesome
Edit: Also, I wanted to say that I very much appreciated every single line of alliteration Amy Sedaris delivered.
“I sentence you to life... FILLED with my friendship!” 😂😂😂
There's a big parallel with Mad Men's finale. In both series, the supporting characters move on with their lives and the protagonist still seems to be stuck in the same emotional rut as he was in the first episode but, by this point, we already know that he will get out of it, improve a little and mess up and he will get out of it, improve a little more and then mess up and he will get out of it and so on, but we know he'll be ok.
This show is insanely underrated
" it was nice while it lasted" One of the greatest tv shows of it's decade, and of the entire animated genre. I am genuinely sad this show is over. This show once it grabs you, it doesn't let go.
This show is the only thing that calms down my anxiety besides xanax. I swear to god. This show is my therapy
20:52 and onward, explaining how the show doesn't have to conclude with whether Bojack became a better a better person or not, is really profound. That is what we are here to do in life, continue to be a person, make mistakes, live, etc. What an incredible series really no other show gets the idea of human existence as well as this one. Bravo!
Such a thoughtful and quiet, yet incredibly sad ending/ongoing. They couldn't have ended the show any better 😭😭😭
Just as great as Regular Show's ending or My Little Pony FIM's ending?
Bojack dying would have been him taking the easy way out. It's actually more cruel for him to keep on living. Cause "everyday gets a little easier, but you got to do it everyday". That's the entire message of the show.
I liked the ending of Bojack. Unlike most 'serious' or 'realistic' shows, Bojack was a character study in which it would have been easy to just let him die and call it a cautionary tale, but it is much harder to keep on living and facing yourself in the mirror everyday to make the most of your life.... Great analysis, girls, Thanx!!!
This ending haunted me for weeks after I finished it. I felt a connection to each character, and it hurt so much to say goodbye, even though I felt like it wasn’t the end.
20:12 "Princess Caroline is married with a child" EHM EXCUSE ME his name is Vincent, he is an adult and he works at the business factory!
She doesn’t marry Vincent lol
This is one of the best shows I've ever watched in my life. I love it so much that i keep rewatching it. I like putting it on in the background as a podcast when I do stuff, and can almost recite from line to line LOL. It's one of those shows/ movies that after watching, you kinda stay in the aftermath feelings or train of thoughts for a bit. At first I was afraid to admit to myself that I liked the show cuz it was relatable, and that I was a terrible person with all these emotional and substance problems like Bojack. Then I just realized that it's good that it reflects my personal struggles, it taught me that you just gotta accept the consequences, try to change and move on from all that shit, gotta stop hurting yourself and others. Since you definitely can't change shit in the past, now you can only keep going.
please make more bojack breakdowns :'(
Finished it today. I never expected that I would like this show so much. It was so unrealistic but realistic and relatable at the same time. There were so many little details and hidden messages that just kept me hooked. It’s sad how underrated this show is. Also, I loved the intro and never skipped it, and loved the fact that it changed with the situation Bojack was in, at that time. I have love love and love for the entire team of this show 💖💖💖💖 Thank you for taking your time to explain the ending of this show 💜💜💜💜
Bojack horseman is the only show that really made me understand depression, how it comes differently to everyone and how truly complex it is. And it made me realize that everyone is a bit depressed deep down. Although Bojack created chaos in everyone's life he got into, if you look at every character, we see that they had something going on in their lives that made them "sad". Even Todd, one of the most happiest character in the show had relationship problems with his dad and hadn't seen his mom in a long time which made him sad. Defintely the best show ever!!!!!
Speaking of madmen, Peggy Olson, my favorite character in madmen, has a lot of similarities with Princess Carolyn, my favorite character in Bojack. Also, both were rewarded at the end. Well deserved.
If you close your eyes and squint your ear holes, this video’s being narrated by Princess Caroline
"I sentence you to life... Filled with my friendship!"
I loved BoJack Horseman, it really was a beautiful sadness
no show will ever make me feel the same way this show has made me feel
I loved the parallel with Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, these are two of my favorite shows, and both deal with humanity and mental health in a delightful way.
I started the series back when I had to battle with depression and anxiety. The show helped me to live through that time. I'm really glad I kept watching even though I didn't liked the first episodes.
shed so much tears for the last episode. until now i cant moved on. bojact provided me a unique kind of comfort i never knew i could feel in tv show
The essence of this kind of shows is that it lets you know that others are also going through same kind of things and that there is that realization 'out there', something that's not so unique to you, something in which you're not alone. This gives a sense of community and communion.
That it's something even available in a TV show. There's so much to relate to, so much relation, relation-building and hence expanding the essence of your self. That ensures something we always long for. It's the same thing that's with religion or religious community, science or scientific community, or community of any kind. We always long for Absolute and Absolutism. We always want to ensure our essence and existence. And that feels great.
The running is a metaphor for the whole show.
As Diane says : Life is a bitch and you have to keep on living
Can you please do Morel Orel. I believe that would be an interesting analysis since it’s forgotten but holds deep meaning and drama towards the end. It got canceled too soon.
Penelope Perez yes! I loved that show, I wish it was still on.
definitely a precursor
I really liked how it ended quite ambiguously because it brings us back to Diane's point about the day after the best day of your life and how life goes on whether you want it to or not.
I was anticipating this video. I didn’t know that until I saw it and, out loud, said “finally!”
B Keene me too!
I’m glad I watched this show when I did. I binged through all of it and took the last half of season 6 very slowly, and it was all worth it. These characters went through so much and felt so real, and it’s scary because I could see myself in a lot of those characters, not as extreme, but it’s just how some things are. This show taught me to take life with a grain of salt. Nothing is ever perfect and you’ll fuck up, hard. and you aren’t going to fix or come back from it every time, all you can do is just keep on going. This show gave me hours of laughter, deep thoughts and emotions I never could have expected from any piece of media. I absolutely loved this show, and strangely enough, although it’s over, it feels like it’s just begun. I still have a life ahead of me, and I have no idea what it’ll throw at me whatsoever. All I can do is hope something down the line is worth it. I don’t think I’ll forget this show for a long time, and I hope I always remember it. I could go on for a lot longer, but life goes even longer than that. Enjoy your days folks. :’)
Honestly the best show I’ve ever seen and it really helped me work through a lot of my own issues.
God, you made me cry all over again. I listened to "Mr. Blue" for 2 days and cry in a mix of happiness and sadness. All those deep feelings the show made us feel triggered something in me and it was good, looking back.
Thanks for the video guys! The ending of this show made me cry so much.
I started this the day my winter break started. I finished it the day before winter break ended. Two frigin weeks, and i got so attached to these characters and this show. I never cry, and this scene just tore me apart. Sort of a nostalgic feelings. Its sad, without really being sad. This is one of the best shows ive ever seen. Years ago, i saw commercials for the show, and i remember thinking how stupid it looked. Boy was I wrong. This is such an amazing show and gave me the best winter break of my life, and it turned the end of my 2020 into a happy time.
This was an amazing show. It was very real and down to earth. I found myself a little in Bojack. I wish we could have ended on a higher note with some more happiness for him. But at the same time, I understand. He was very human and life isn't fair.
While it appears that Diane and Hollyhock are done with him, PC is done with BoJack professionally but still wants to be his friend from a distance, Todd is the same he redefined their friendship with boundaries, Mr PB will be the rock BoJack needs, the one person who isn’t as messed up as the others, he has so much positivity to handle BoJack
well PC didnt invite him to a real wedding. And she is done with him professionally. Dunno if they are really going to be something more than just a text once a year type of friends. I think Todd would be his only true friend, who will give him wake up call once in a while. And PB is just a dog, he is "buddy".
Alison Brie did such a big big great job to the voice of Diane, of course there are all good, very good, but Alison Brie nailed it, nailed it in the last 2 episodes so extremly... LOVE IT
"Is it possible that you letting me go is the happy ending?"
This definitely made me feel better about the ending. A lot of angles were brought up that I didn’t even consider. Great video!
the ending makes me sad...
but also perfect ..and real
life is a bitch... and you living on
Really lovely analysis - I got that with his friendships - the only way they can continue is if he can break the co-dependent pattern and change things for real. Addiction destroys things - trust. It makes it so that even a year can go by and you don't know if you can TRULY have hope and trust in an addict again. The others aren't there out of guilt because he almost died - they don't NEED him, as a place to stay, to keep their business afloat. He has to make himself wanted, and worthy of their love and friendship.
And maybe he can.
I'm glad he didn't die. We saw how addiction led to death with the Sarah Lynn story arc - the "life goes on and you can just keep losing... or maybe gain again" arc is just as real and interesting.
what I missed in the last episode was Bojack forgiving himself. The last episodes were so focused on Bojack taking responsibility that is lacked in Bojack healing from past pain
Love your BoJack breakdowns :D
Everyone talking about Todd and pb like they definitely should, but what about Princess Caroline? She was amazing. Not only to bojack, but to everyone, and she achieved the most while staying the best. I really admire her, and for sure her grand daughter will look up to her like she imagined.